Potential and prospects of self-propelled guns 2S35 "Coalition-SV"

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Potential and prospects of self-propelled guns 2S35 "Coalition-SV"


The promising artillery system 2S35 “Coalition-SV” is approaching adoption and the start of full operation. The industry has already put the new self-propelled gun through all stages of testing and has prepared production. In the near future, the remaining activities will be carried out and the necessary documents will be prepared. After this, artillery formations will officially receive promising equipment, and with it a number of new capabilities.



During testing


According to known data, the first prototypes of the 152-mm self-propelled howitzer "Coalition-SV" were manufactured by the Ural Transport Engineering Plant no later than 2012-13. and then they went out for testing. Then the company built the first pilot batch of a dozen self-propelled guns. On May 9, 2015, this technique was officially shown to the public for the first time at a parade in Moscow.

Subsequently, representatives of industry and the defense department, as well as anonymous press sources, repeatedly reported on the construction of new 2S35 self-propelled guns. Various activities were also carried out as part of an extensive testing program. At the same time, the exact number of manufactured “Coalitions” still remains unknown.

During the first few years, the Coalition-SV self-propelled guns operated and demonstrated their capabilities only at training grounds. Last year the situation could have changed. Unconfirmed information has repeatedly appeared about the appearance of 2S35 complexes in the area of ​​the Special Operation to protect Donbass. The equipment could undergo military or other tests.

In August 2023, the management of the Rostec state corporation, which includes the development organizations and manufacturers of the new self-propelled guns, announced the launch of mass production of self-propelled guns and transport-loading vehicles for them. In order to save time, the industry did not wait for the completion of tests and the official adoption of the “Coalition” into service and prepared assembly lines in advance.


On October 20, Rostec announced the completion of state tests of a new self-propelled howitzer. Experienced equipment confirmed the calculated characteristics and showed all the provided capabilities and functions. As the management of the state corporation noted, the completion of the last stage of testing makes it possible to begin mass production.

Entering the troops


Since 2013-14 industry, represented by Uraltransmash, has built a number of self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV" - at least 10-12 units. and perhaps up to several dozen. This equipment will probably be transferred to training or combat units for mastering and gaining experience before launching full operation.

Now the Ministry of Defense must carry out the remaining measures and procedures, as well as officially accept the 2S35 product into service. Thanks to previously taken measures and the launch of production, Rostec will be able to start a series and transfer new batches of self-propelled guns to the army in the shortest possible time.

We can expect that the first units equipped with the Coalitions will take part in the current Special Operation. It will have to complement other units and subunits of self-propelled artillery and help them in solving combat missions. At the same time, a new type of self-propelled guns, due to a number of important innovations, will be able to significantly increase the firepower and efficiency of both their units and the ground forces as a whole.

Technical potential


Like other domestic self-propelled guns of the latest models, the Coalition-SV is an armored combat vehicle on a tracked chassis with a fully rotating turret carrying an artillery system. At the same time, the 2S35 design uses modern components and solutions, incl. fundamentally new. With their help, the growth of all main characteristics is ensured and an increase in overall efficiency is achieved.


In its current form, "Coalition-SV" is built on the chassis tank T-90. In the future, they plan to transfer the turret with the gun to the new Armata chassis. In both cases, a single habitable compartment with crew workplaces is organized inside the hull.

An original uninhabited fighting compartment was developed for the 2S35. All processes in the turret, from receiving ammunition to firing, are carried out automatically according to crew commands. The fighting compartment is built around a 152-mm 2A88 rifled howitzer, which has a 52-klb barrel with a developed muzzle brake and ejector. The gun is placed on a remotely controlled installation with the ability to rise to large elevation angles.

"Coalition-SV" uses domestic 152-mm shells, incl. managed. The development of new ammunition was also reported. The projectiles use a modular type propellant charge. It consists of separate cartridge modules in the form of a combustible shell with gunpowder inside. Ignition is carried out using a special microwave system. Ammunition - 70 shells and modular charges in mechanized stowage.

A new fire control system has been developed for the 2S35 complex. It includes a set of sights, navigation aids, various sensors, etc. Information from all sources is processed by a central computer, and based on them, firing data is calculated. The high degree of automation of the self-propelled guns and the fighting compartment made it possible to reduce the crew to 3 people.

Clear benefits


The unusual design and equipment of the 2S35 self-propelled guns provide an increase in all the main tactical and technical characteristics, and also provide new combat capabilities. In terms of the totality of parameters and potential, the Coalition-SV should surpass all previous domestic self-propelled guns and a number of foreign models.


The key parameter of any self-propelled gun is mobility and agility. The use of the T-90 or Armata chassis provides high performance characteristics. In addition, in the body of a modern MBT it was possible to organize a three-seat crew compartment and ensure its maximum protection.

The crew's workplaces were removed from the fighting compartment, which reduced risks and also made it possible to optimize the layout of internal volumes. In particular, the transportable ammunition has been increased and, accordingly, the possible duration of firing without reloading has been increased. With all this, a new TZM with improved characteristics is used, which allows you to quickly replenish ammunition and continue firing.

The 2A88 gun has a long 52-caliber barrel, which has a positive effect on the firing range characteristics, regardless of the type of projectile used. During testing, this parameter was increased to 80 km. To fully utilize the gun's potential, an active-reactive guided projectile and a maximum charge were used. There is a fundamental possibility of creating longer-range ammunition.

"Coalition-SV" uses an original modular propellant charge, which provides several advantages. Thus, the use of small modules allows you to more flexibly change the shot weight and adjust the starting parameters of the projectile. In addition, the modules have an unusual ignition system in which microwaves simultaneously ignite the entire charge, which improves combustion stability and overall internal ballistics.

Of interest is the automatic loading system that supplies shells and cartridge modules. According to various estimates, it provides a rate of fire of at least 10-12 rounds/min. With short-term shooting, a record rate of up to 15-16 rounds per minute is possible. Due to this, the self-propelled gun has the opportunity to send a large number of shells to the target in a minimum time and leave the position.


The positive consequences of using a modern OMS with all the necessary components are obvious. It is capable of receiving target designation and adjustment data from various sources, quickly calculating data for firing and delivering a strike. There are different modes of operation, including a "fire attack" where several projectiles are sent along different trajectories to simultaneously fall on the target. The fire control system is compatible with modern guided missiles, and future ones will be developed taking into account its capabilities.

Thanks to its improved tactical and technical characteristics, the new 2S35 “Coalition-SV” product will be able to effectively solve all the main combat missions of self-propelled artillery. It will be a convenient means for carrying out attacks on various types of enemy targets, and will be able to attack more distant targets. The increased range and rate of fire also increase its potential in counter-battery warfare and other situations.

The future of artillery


Thus, as part of the Coalition-SV development work, a new ground artillery system was successfully developed, which has improved characteristics and clear advantages over other equipment in its class. During lengthy and extensive tests, he confirmed his capabilities and parameters, which opens the way for him to join the troops.

As recently reported, Uraltransmash and related enterprises are already ready for mass production of new 2S35 self-propelled guns. The exact timing of the release of the first production batches remains unknown, but the situation as a whole is conducive to optimism. The beginning of the rearmament of artillery units of the ground forces is now only a matter of time.
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  1. +10
    10 November 2023 04: 33
    Somehow all the photos are without Doppler radar to determine the initial velocity of the projectile.
    1. +8
      10 November 2023 09: 34
      Two boxes to the right and left of the trunk
      1. +5
        10 November 2023 11: 24
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Two boxes to the right and left of the trunk

        Right! But they are not in the photo in the article. wink
        1. +9
          10 November 2023 14: 03
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Right! But they are not in the photo in the article.

          Photos from parades are rightly misleading. bully
    2. +16
      10 November 2023 09: 44
      IMHO, this radar is much more multifunctional than publicly announced. You can measure the speed of your projectile with a simpler antenna (the LabRadar gun radar is an example of this), and even more so, two antenna panels are not needed for this task. IMHO, two very widely spaced canvases are installed to increase azimuth resolution, and this is not needed for anything other than counter-battery combat. I will assume that this is first of all a counter-battery radar, and only then a speed meter for its projectiles.
      1. +3
        10 November 2023 11: 31
        Quote: Passing by
        I will assume that this is first of all a counter-battery radar, and only then a speed meter for its projectiles.

        I agree that a radar can perform not only the task of measuring speed, but I would argue that this function plays a secondary role. To track even the downward part of the trajectory of alien projectiles, you need a range, and this allows you to detect the source of radiation. And if with a conventional radar we risk only the radar, or even just the antenna, then here both the antenna and the radar are at risk, and even an expensive self-propelled gun!
        1. +2
          10 November 2023 15: 09
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          and this allows you to detect the source of radiation

          Let them see what it will give them? There is no need to keep the radar on continuously. When our positions began to be shelled, upon request we turned on the radar, noted the coordinates, and immediately sent a response of several high-precision shells, then, without waiting for the result, we changed our position. A long-range projectile flies for several minutes, even if the response hits us instantly, there is time to leave. So in the presence of high-precision projectiles, i.e. when there is a single target, and there is no need to hammer across areas with traditional projectiles for tens of minutes, it will be difficult to manage to get hit.
          And another nuance is that the response will not immediately fly towards us, because for us the lag between determining the coordinates and the beginning of the response is practically absent, because the radar is combined with the self-propelled guns, but the other side just has it, and it is, perhaps, , judging by the reports from LBS, minutes. That is, hypothetically, we can not immediately change our position, but wait for the results of the first round of conventional, unguided projectiles, repeat if necessary, and only then leave.
          1. +12
            10 November 2023 17: 45
            Quote: Passing by
            Let them see what it will give them?

            Not only the bearing and exact coordinates of the target, but also the ability to hit with an anti-radar missile. And do not forget that counter-battery warfare is not only a struggle between the artillery of two opposing sides, aviation also participates in it (attack aircraft, helicopters, RTR aircraft, RTR UAVs, attack and reconnaissance-strike UAVs. And in this life we ​​not only have The Armed Forces of Ukraine will have to fight, and even more serious opponents may happen.
            And with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when they are equipped by NATO in counter-battery warfare, only “Lancets” and similar means save the situation for us, because the enemy has much more counter-battery warfare radars. Only in the southern direction, at the peak of the “counter-offensive,” they had from 70 to 100 such mobile radars installed on armored Humvee jeeps. And do you know how they acted/act? They are constantly moving along the rear along the front line, according to the schedule they make stops and turn on for a short time, while the others make a maneuver for a few minutes\tens of minutes, after which they continue to move, but the next ones turn on. As a result, they have constant radar control of our front-line zone, but each radar is turned on for a short time. Therefore, it is very difficult to hit a direction-finding radar - until the artillery, MLRS reacts or the Lancet arrives, it will no longer be in place, and the next one will turn on in another place.
            But we don’t have that many artillery reconnaissance radars. I hope - for now. Therefore, in such a situation, installing a radar on the self-propelled gun itself is an extremely risky and unjustified idea. It would make more sense, like the United States and NATO, to place them on armored vehicles or armored personnel carrier chassis, producing a sufficient and even exhaustive number. And the coordinates of identified targets are transmitted in real time via secure communication channels to self-propelled guns or MLRS with adjustable ammunition attached to them (Tornado-S and Tornado-G have such shells and work precisely according to the coordinate with satellite navigation. "Krasnopol" is armed with our artillery (and the Coalition-SV too) is aimed using laser target designation - from UAVs or reconnaissance groups... So even after calculating with the help of radar the place (square) from where the enemy is hitting, they first send a UAV with a laser target designator there, it should detect the gun\self-propelled gun\ The enemy's MLRS, and only then, when he detects and illuminates the target, can you fire with the Krasnopol-D.
            Do you understand what I mean?
            Moreover, it is precisely for the “Coalition-SV” that carrying an activated radar is mortally dangerous, and absolutely unjustified in terms of the speed of opening return fire. You can, of course, throw ordinary shells there, but this way, at best, you can suppress, but not destroy, the enemy’s weapon - the error from such target designation does not provide the necessary accuracy.
            A "Coalition-SV" with such a radar can, of course, be saved by distance (fire from deep in the rear), but the enemy has the same "Highmars" and PRLR... It is better for self-propelled guns to have external, but high-quality target designation and strike from short stops with flurries of several shells, constantly/regularly changing positions.
            1. +2
              11 November 2023 09: 48
              Quote: bayard
              Therefore, in such a situation, installing a radar on the self-propelled gun itself is an extremely risky and unjustified idea. It would make more sense, like the United States and NATO, to place them on armored vehicles or armored personnel carrier chassis, having produced a sufficient and even exhaustive number

              It's hard to argue with that. But in fact, the Coalition already has a radar suitable for this (of course, not a fact, but my guess), and it is going into production right now, but there are no separate radars (I don’t know why the Zoo does not suit the military), and the imminent release of promising ones is not even announced products. So if there is no stamp, you will have to write on a regular one.
              Quote: bayard
              "Krasnopol", which our artillery (and the Coalition-SV too) is armed with, is aimed using laser target designation - from UAVs

              Krasnopol-D already had an optional GLONAS guidance unit back in the tens. It can be assumed that the newest Krasnopol for the Coalition also has an implementation with GLONAS guidance.
              Quote: bayard
              A “Coalition-SV” with such a radar can, of course, be saved by distance (fire from deep in the rear), but the enemy has the same “Highmars” and PRLR

              Excalibur from M777 has an initial speed of 827 m/s (up to 1000 m/s on self-propelled guns with L58), GMLRS has a maximum speed of 850 m/s, HARM 1000 m/s, ATACMS 1500 m/s. So only ATACMS can be an unpleasant surprise. The rest of the weapons will fly over a long range for about the same amount of time as projectiles, i.e. 1-2 minutes. Taking into account control lags, there is time for work and departure even for ATACMS.
              1. +4
                11 November 2023 14: 52
                Quote: Passing by
                I don’t know why the Zoo doesn’t suit the military)

                There are simply few of them. And taking into account the fact that they are on a tank chassis and are quite large, it is easier for aerial optical reconnaissance equipment to detect them. so they knock it out. In addition, they are expensive, which is why they are scarce. The Armed Forces of Ukraine in the theater of operations have from one hundred to one and a half hundred of these artillery reconnaissance radars on the Humvee, and they constantly maneuver, turning on alternately for a short time. That’s why it’s more difficult to detect with optics and knocking out a critical number of them is quite difficult - there are a lot of them. Another confirmation that Statistics is the Queen of Sciences.
                As for the radars on the Coalition, but what prevents these same radars or radars based on them from being mounted on armored cars or armored personnel carriers and being produced in hundreds of pieces? Only short-sightedness or lack of Will. Although I may be wrong, and they have already gone into production as separate products and will soon saturate the battle formations of our artillery formations. Since there is already a suitable radar, it would be a sin not to use it to the fullest. Supplementing them with a passive acoustic artillery reconnaissance station "Penicillin".
                Quote: Passing by
                Krasnopol-D already had an optional GLONAS guidance unit back in the tens. It can be assumed that the newest Krasnopol for the Coalition also has an implementation with GLONAS guidance.

                But this is gratifying if so. For stationary targets and for shooting at targets scouted by artillery reconnaissance - just right.
                Quote: Passing by
                Excalibur from M777 has an initial speed of 827m/s (up to 1000m/s on self-propelled guns with L58), GMLRS has a maximum speed of 850m/s, HARM 1000m/s, ATACMS 1500m/s.

                Here one should not confuse the initial velocity of the projectile and the maximum speed of the rocket, whose pulse duration (motor operating time) is calculated in seconds. Therefore, although the “Hymars” and other missiles may have a speed less than the initial speed of the projectile, it still flies further.
                Quote: Passing by
                1-2 minutes. Taking into account control lags, there is time for work and departure even for ATACMS.

                This nature of artillery fire does not allow creating a sufficiently massive fire impact (except for MLRS) and you will have to shoot on the move, with short stops, firing several shots at a time. But using “Coalition-SV” as a means of suppressing enemy artillery and hitting scouted targets behind enemy lines will be very pleasant.
                1. +3
                  11 November 2023 18: 41
                  Quote: bayard
                  using "Coalition-SV" as a means of suppressing enemy artillery and hitting scouted targets behind enemy lines will be very pleasant.

                  “Suppression” of enemy artillery in the Northern Military District is, most often, an empty transfer of ammunition - the enemy fires in fire raids with a change of position.
                  It should not be suppressed, but destroyed. This is possible either with adjustments from UAVs or guided munitions.
                  If you have reconnaissance UAVs constantly in the air in quantities that allow round-the-clock monitoring from the line of contact to a depth of 50-70 kilometers and guided missiles with a range of 70-100 km ground-to-ground and air-to-ground, i.e. reconnaissance and strike complex, then all enemy artillery could be zeroed out quickly enough.
                  The missile launcher and missile launchers themselves are much cheaper than modern self-propelled guns and guided missiles for them. Plus, it is much easier to manufacture and more mobile.
                  Of course, a “coalition” is also needed. She has her own niche. But there won't be many of them.
                  And, in my opinion, one cannot expect any kind of turning point from her appearance at the front.
                  1. +4
                    12 November 2023 00: 52
                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    The missile launcher and missile launchers themselves are much cheaper than modern self-propelled guns and guided missiles for them. Plus, it is much easier to manufacture and more mobile.
                    Of course, a “coalition” is also needed. She has her own niche. But there won't be many of them.

                    In war, every bast in a row, especially self-propelled guns with a record range and high-precision ammunition, will deprive NATO artillery of the advantages of not only the Ukrainian Armed Forces. And to suppress or defeat the enemy’s nomadic artillery, you need to use what is at hand.
                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    The missile launcher and missile launchers themselves are much cheaper than modern self-propelled guns

                    The launcher is cheaper, but shells are cheaper than missiles, especially ordinary ballistic shells. And if you take into account the ammunition load of the Coalition-SV of 70 shells, then how many times can you change positions by shooting these shells in short stops... And from an almost safe distance. After all, it hits very accurately with a regular projectile. Especially with normal adjustments.
                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    guided missiles with a range of 70-100 km surface-to-surface

                    Only Tornado-S adjustable projectiles fit into this category. Tornado-G has a range of 45 km. , although there are also adjustable ones. So "Coalition-SV" with a range of 70 - 80 km. exactly closes this niche.
                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    there won't be many of them.

                    There are already about 30 of them. in stock and production line launched. The groundwork was done ahead of time while the assembly line was being prepared. So even before the new year they will already arrive. And by the summer of next year there will already be quite a decent amount.
                    As well as other means of counter-battery warfare and fire suppression. As well as reconnaissance and reconnaissance-strike UAVs.
                    By the way - "Orions" with "Lancets on suspensions and with good optics, a very interesting search and strike weapon in the operational and tactical rear of the enemy.
                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    And, in my opinion, one cannot expect any kind of turning point from her appearance at the front.

                    But the appearance of the Highmars and long-range NATO artillery with high-precision shells in the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not provide such a turning point? Do you remember how they started knocking out our operational ammunition depots? And before there was nothing.
                    Now they are losing their advantage as art, and we are gaining it. And our advantage will only grow over time. In addition to everything, the enemy is planning a hunger for shells.
        2. +1
          10 November 2023 15: 10
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          To track even the downward part of the trajectory of alien projectiles, you need a range, and this allows you to detect the source of radiation. And if with a conventional radar we risk only the radar, or even just the antenna, then here both the antenna and the radar are at risk, and even an expensive self-propelled gun!

          So it is not necessary for the radar to constantly work in counter-battery mode, turn on the detector, fire 6 shells in the fire raid mode, and by the time they arrive at the enemy position, the crew has already left the position and left. In addition, it has a long range, making it difficult to conduct counter-battery combat with cannon artillery.
          1. +7
            10 November 2023 17: 55
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            So there is no need for the radar to constantly work in counter-battery mode, turn on the detector, shoot in fire raid mode

            When he turned it on, he discovered himself and gave a tip to the enemy. It’s not a loss of a radar, but a new and very expensive self-propelled gun.
            In addition, short activations will not allow constant monitoring. The enemy also maneuvers and fires from short stops. How will you detect his shells if your radar is turned off?
            The radars should be placed on armored vehicles or specially equipped armored personnel carriers, which should constantly move along the rear along the front line and alternately turn on and stop, each for a short time. So even after finding them, it will be difficult for the enemy to catch them in the place where they were just working. Constant control of the front-line zone will be ensured, and losses of artillery reconnaissance radar will be reduced.
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            In addition, it has a long range, making it difficult to conduct counter-battery combat with cannon artillery.

            Gold words . We now have enemy artillery units looking for UAVs and pointing “Lancets” at them, less often - artillery artillery, if it is possible to illuminate it with a laser (for Krasnopol), or they are already hitting with ordinary shells, but with adjustments from the UAV, which also works out well.
      2. +9
        10 November 2023 12: 34
        There was a description of what it has radars for. After the shot, the entire flight of the projectile is monitored and if the result does not correspond to the specified one (for example, in a certain area there is a strong side wind), a correction is immediately made to the aiming. And the second shell will hit exactly where it was intended.
    3. 0
      10 November 2023 18: 17
      Somehow all the photos are without Doppler radar to determine the initial velocity of the projectile.
      Why do you need to know it? To have an idea of ​​where the projectile will actually fly?
      1. +4
        10 November 2023 18: 29
        Quote: Aviator_
        Why do you need to know it? To have an idea of ​​where the projectile will actually fly?

        First projectile, and make adjustments for the next 10 per minute.
        1. +1
          11 December 2023 12: 17
          Every the projectile is tracked by its initial velocity. And the correction for the following is calculated.
      2. +1
        11 November 2023 18: 48
        Quote: Aviator_
        Somehow all the photos are without Doppler radar to determine the initial velocity of the projectile.
        Why do you need to know it? To have an idea of ​​where the projectile will actually fly?

        Exactly. As a rule, the longer-range the gun, the shorter the barrel life, i.e. the decrease in initial speed occurs much faster than with short-barreled old women.
        Even the first and last shells of the same long-range ammo rack can have noticeably different initial velocities.
  2. +6
    10 November 2023 05: 13
    The use of the T-90 or Armata chassis provides high performance characteristics.

    Probably, a wheeled version of the installation should be considered, which would increase the mobility of the complex.
    Thanks to its improved tactical and technical characteristics, the new 2S35 “Coalition-SV” product will be able to effectively solve all the main combat missions of self-propelled artillery.

    Let's evaluate the performance characteristics after the results of the application, which we have been waiting for a long time, since 2015...
    1. +2
      10 November 2023 07: 46
      The wheeled version has been circulating on the Internet for a long time, there is a variant based on KAMAZ and a BAZ, which one will be in the series is not clear.
      1. AAK
        +10
        10 November 2023 11: 07
        Yes, let at least some version of the platform be launched, soon as 2 years of SVO, and still we do not have a competitive weapon to Western systems at Bandera... well, taking into account the experience of SVO, it would be advisable for designers to think about a project intermediate between the 152nd and 203 caliber of a promising self-propelled gun, or rather unified based on the complex of self-propelled guns/TM-TZM/radar and launcher for reconnaissance UAVs
        1. +5
          10 November 2023 14: 11
          Quote: AAK
          Well, taking into account the experience of the SVO, it would be advisable for designers to think about a design of a promising self-propelled gun intermediate between the 152nd and 203rd caliber

          There is a tendency to reduce the number of calibers.
          For example, 122 mm, apparently, is all. They will not develop.
          It was completely replaced by a 120 mm gun/howitzer/mortar.
          And 152 mm is the main single caliber of artillery.
          The simpler the logistics, the easier it is in modern combat.
    2. 0
      11 November 2023 05: 13
      Probably, a wheeled version of the installation should be considered, which would increase the mobility of the complex.

      I propose to consider the Ural-692341 chassis as a wheeled version.

      In my opinion, it is more suitable than KamAZ-6560.
      1. +3
        11 November 2023 10: 26
        The chassis based on the BAZ is also quite suitable in terms of load-carrying capacity and cross-country ability, and it would also not be bad to make it in an armored version to protect the self-propelled gun crew from bullets and shrapnel.
  3. +6
    10 November 2023 06: 02
    As recently reported, Uraltransmash and related enterprises are already ready for mass production of new 2S35 self-propelled guns. The exact timing of the release of the first production batches remains unknown., but the situation as a whole is conducive to optimism.

    Reminds me of an old Soviet joke: “The product will be released on December 31. We’ll determine the year in due course.”
  4. -7
    10 November 2023 06: 30
    Isn’t an ammo capacity of 70 shells too much in modern warfare??? Maybe it was better to reduce the size??
  5. +3
    10 November 2023 07: 31
    Quote from Cartograph
    Maybe it was better to reduce the size?

    Yes, it seems like “direct fire” is not for her? Not?
  6. +2
    10 November 2023 07: 34
    is approaching adoption and the start of full operation That is, since 2006 they have been sawing and not finishing it at all, and when they will finish it is unclear, how recently they wrote a file of the wrong system?
    1. -1
      10 November 2023 07: 42
      Yes, maybe it’s right that they’re not in a hurry? The thing (apparently) is expensive, why deliver it unfinished? To identify, to the maximum, all the shortcomings at the testing stage and eliminate them, rather than supplying the troops with something...
      1. +4
        10 November 2023 08: 22
        And to ride it in parades and declare that it is a super weapon, can we rush?
        1. +1
          10 November 2023 08: 35
          Yes, it will probably be “super-duper” after appropriate fine-tuning) And “carrying” is solely to inspire the people) At one time (in the USSR), they carried the GR-1 in parades - the attaché’s eyes bulged laughing Also a useful thing) GR-1 did not happen, but it brought fear to the enemies)
          1. +2
            10 November 2023 08: 43
            This is not fraud and everyone knows it perfectly well, but they are reluctant to admit it, it hurts their pride. Only the war happened and they are hitting people, not pride.
            1. +1
              10 November 2023 09: 02
              No, what kind of pride is there... instead of the GR-1, the R36O happened. She was quite on combat duty) But what they were actually called became known only recently) “The war just happened and they’re hitting people, not pride” - yes, of course, it’s better to deliver unfinished technology and conduct experiments on people with it...
              1. +5
                10 November 2023 12: 39
                Quote: Alexey 1970
                That is, since 2006 they have been sawing and have not finished sawing...............

                "....MOSCOW, August 10 - RIA Novosti. Enterprises of the Rostec state corporation have already started mass production of the latest 152-mm self-propelled artillery systems "Coalition-SV" until testing is completed, First Deputy General Director of the state corporation Vladimir Artyakov said in an interview with RIA Novosti on the eve of the international military-technical forum "Army-2023".
                - “Serial production, as well as the production of a transport-loading machine, has already been launched,” said Artyakov .............”
                https://ria.ru/20230810/gaubitsy-1889209136.html
                1. +4
                  10 November 2023 12: 47
                  And what is the downside here? Is it unpleasant to find out that self-propelled guns are already in mass production?
                  1. +1
                    11 November 2023 18: 56
                    Quote: Bad_gr
                    And what is the downside here? Is it unpleasant to find out that self-propelled guns are already in mass production?

                    The minus is not mine. But it’s unpleasant to read the name Vladimir Artyakov as CEO.
                    Isn’t this the same Artyakov who managed VAZ for some time? Then, when it was time to move to another chair, he took with him 1,5 billion rubles as a severance pay as a keepsake.
          2. 0
            10 November 2023 12: 36
            Quote: glk63
            Yes, it will probably be “super-duper” after appropriate fine-tuning) And “carrying” is solely to inspire the people) At one time (in the USSR), they carried the GR-1 in parades - the attaché’s eyes bulged laughing Also a useful thing) GR-1 did not happen, but it brought fear to the enemies)

            There was no fear; enemy intelligence knew within a couple of weeks that these were mock-ups.
            And the fact that the attaches of Swaziland were surprised, they don’t have any intelligence.
            1. +2
              11 November 2023 10: 33
              Well, don’t tell me, they said the same thing about North Korean missiles, and they are already quite capable of reaching not only Japan, but also the United States.
            2. +1
              11 November 2023 18: 59
              Quote: SovAr238A
              There was no fear

              In 1939, the Polish cavalrymen had no fear of the sight of Red Army tanks - they had long been explained that there were no tanks in the Red Army, they were all plywood models.
              And they rode horses to attack the tanks... Peace be upon them...
    2. +8
      10 November 2023 08: 41
      But in reality it should be like this. Although it related to aviation.

      “You have failed our country and the Red Army. You don't deign to still produce IL-2. Our Red Army now needs IL-2 aircraft like air, like bread. Shenkman gives one IL-2 per day, and Tretyakov gives MIGG-3 one at a time, two each. This is a mockery of the country, of the Red Army. We don't need MIGs, but IL-2s. If the 18th plant is thinking of getting out of the country by giving one IL-2 per day, then it is cruelly mistaken and will suffer punishment for it. I ask you not to make the government lose patience and demand that more sludge be released. I'm warning you for the last time. STALIN."
    3. +2
      10 November 2023 16: 41
      So it may have been combat-ready since 2006, it’s just that the ministry didn’t want to buy anything all these years, running through eternal tests and issuing mutually exclusive wishes
  7. +8
    10 November 2023 08: 01
    They wrote that at least the charges from MSTY-B(S) do not fit it. There is also a question about projectiles - everywhere they indicate exactly the maximum range of an AR projectile at full power. And what range will it throw its main high-explosive ZOF83?
    1. KCA
      +3
      10 November 2023 08: 53
      They wrote that neither the charges nor the shells are compatible with existing ones, that’s why they’ve been procrastinating since 2013, there’s no point in having self-propelled guns if there’s no ammunition
      1. +4
        10 November 2023 09: 38
        Both Armata and here had difficulties with mass production of barrels. The barrel is long, the charges are powerful, the speed of the projectiles has increased.... I think that the next stage for long-range howitzers with a corrugated projectile will be a smoothbore... to increase the speed of the projectile to tank performance.
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        2. +2
          11 November 2023 04: 36
          I think that the next stage for long-range howitzers with a corrugated projectile will be a smoothbore...

          The next stage is this feel
          A self-propelled gun with a 155 mm caliber gun, a barrel length of 60 calibers and a charging chamber with a volume of 25 liters.

          + a projectile with a ramjet engine and a flight range of 120-150 km.
          1. +1
            11 November 2023 10: 54
            We must also strive for this and not stop there, because the threshold of 100 km for artillery systems is not the limit.
        3. 0
          11 December 2023 12: 24
          There will never be a smoothbore for field artillery. A smoothbore projectile is more expensive and has greater dispersion. And incompatible with existing ones.
      2. -2
        10 November 2023 16: 48
        Shells were not produced because there were no self-propelled guns; self-propelled guns were not produced because there were no shells. That's why nothing happened
        1. KCA
          +1
          11 November 2023 08: 43
          A gun or weapon is usually created for ammunition, but here the situation is the opposite
          1. -1
            11 November 2023 17: 19
            A weapon or weapon is created for ammunition

            This is one of the reasons for the lag behind NATO artillery. They stuck to old shells from the post-war period and case loading (there were a lot of them in warehouses at that time).
          2. +1
            11 November 2023 20: 10
            As far as I remember, the ammunition was created parallel to the gun with ignition by microwave radiation. We have always been able to set up production only with wild agony, and here ammunition (or rather, charges, many shells will do anyway) must be produced en masse, take a new plant and build it, and even self-propelled guns are not the cheapest. But the paradox is that instead of coalitions, a multiply superior number of old, proven, simpler self-propelled guns did not appear. Almost no money was allocated for artillery, just a fraction of a percent from the state defense order
      3. 0
        11 November 2023 10: 38
        That’s why they were procrastinating because it was necessary to bring it up to standard and organize mass production of not only the self-propelled guns themselves, but also new ammunition for them, and this is a huge number of related enterprises in one single production chain, you can’t sit around on the sofas.
    2. -5
      10 November 2023 10: 39
      There is a Hyacinth self-propelled gun... The Coalition is its competitor
      1. KCA
        +1
        10 November 2023 12: 05
        Hyacinth 1-2 shots per minute, well, not 10-12, and the range varies
        1. 0
          13 November 2023 21: 38
          So the age is different... and there is no AZ... but the trunk and the meaning are yes.
      2. +2
        11 November 2023 04: 45
        Quote: Zaurbek
        There is a Hyacinth self-propelled gun... The Coalition is its competitor

        Zaurbek you fool! "Gyacinth" is not a competitor for "Coalition-SV".
    3. -2
      10 November 2023 17: 43
      If it’s true that the barrel is 52 calibres and the charging chamber is increased compared to the capacity of more than 20 liters... 30-35 kilometers like competitors
  8. +4
    10 November 2023 08: 44
    It is necessary to assemble at least one brigade, first to send it to the front for experimental combat use, with all types of ammunition, and all the pros and cons will immediately become apparent. And this has been nothing but talk for ten years now. Either it’s sabotage or it’s damp and can fall apart after a few shots, the cardboard is paper, or the firing range is blown. soldier
    1. +5
      10 November 2023 18: 07
      For many years we had the same conversations about the Ka-52, and about the T90, and about the BMP-3, but it turned out that if we take it and start purchasing sufficient quantities for the troops, then everything will be fine. Instead of coalitions, several hundred acacias and mstas were repaired. Instead, they could buy several dozen new self-propelled guns, which would also not be noticed
  9. BAI
    +1
    10 November 2023 08: 53
    is approaching adoption and the start of full operation.

    Armata was also approaching. Now no one remembers about her.
    1. +1
      10 November 2023 10: 06
      False analogy.
      Armata was simply created for another war, and does not correspond to current realities, at least until deep modernization, such as replacing the KAZ. Therefore, in this war it is fundamentally no better than the T-90M, and if you can’t see the difference, why pay more?
      And Kaolitsiya more than corresponds (if you add a drone jammer, the price of the issue is a ridiculous 1 million rubles), there is no alternative to it, and it is this, together with the massive use of bombs with UMPC (and longer-range analogues), as well as the widespread introduction of anti-drone electronic warfare , will allow you to get out of the positional deadlock.
    2. +1
      11 November 2023 10: 44
      Quote: BAI
      Armata was also approaching. Now no one remembers about her.

      And where did these ridiculous conclusions come from? Armata has already been mastered and continues to be produced in small batches; you would write less nonsense if you don’t have the information.
      1. -1
        12 November 2023 01: 17
        https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/18555527
        MOSCOW, August 22. /TASS/. The newest Russian T-14 Armata tank will be modified based on the results of its use as part of a special operation in Ukraine, a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS.

        IMHO - they will change the KAZ and install a drone jammer. Perhaps they will somehow abolish indirect shooting. There is also a need to strengthen the turret and hull roof against cumulative weapons striking from above. But this will not be implemented, because it will require such changes that it is easier to design a new tank. The first two means will be considered sufficient.
  10. -2
    10 November 2023 09: 36
    If you think about it sensibly, you need to make a couple of versions at once: on the BAZ 8x8 chassis and on the tracked one with an open wheelhouse......they are cheaper and there are no complex AZ systems.
    1. +3
      10 November 2023 09: 47
      That is, it’s even simpler - put the gun on the jeep and go... No, well, it’s clear that all the designers are idiots...
      1. -2
        10 November 2023 09: 57
        Judging by the comments, our design bureaus employ only saboteurs who only think about how to further harm the Army... It’s sad.
        1. +2
          10 November 2023 10: 35
          At a minimum, the technical specifications are not always stated correctly. And so you can watch/listen to tactical media videos about the Ilyushin Design Bureau and the attack aircraft for the USSR Air Force. And it was not the Russian Federation.
      2. 0
        10 November 2023 10: 37
        This is always done in any self-propelled gun. In the USSR there were always self-propelled guns and a towed system with the same barrel (there were also ones with a motor for movement). Among the world's successful projects is the self-propelled gun Caesar. On a 6x6 chassis....
    2. 0
      11 November 2023 04: 47
      Quote: Zaurbek
      If you think about it sensibly, you need to make a couple of versions at once: on the BAZ 8x8 chassis and on the tracked one with an open wheelhouse......they are cheaper and there are no complex AZ systems.

      No, you're right fool!
  11. +1
    10 November 2023 09: 57
    Potential and prospects of self-propelled guns 2S35 "Coalition-SV"


    my grandmother used to say: “if only mushrooms grew in your mouth...”
    Didn't you start "chewing" someone's promises?
  12. +7
    10 November 2023 10: 24
    only self-propelled guns have no effect. It is necessary to develop a system. Reconnaissance means that can detect targets online and give target designation, adjust fire, communication means that allow closed exchange of information, topographical location for each gun, allowing the battery to be dispersed but fire at one target at a time, high-precision projectiles of the "Krasnopol" type, etc.
    We have some things, some we don’t, some things don’t meet modern requirements. Therefore, I think “Coalitions” are not used en masse. It will not give an effect. This is how the system is built, then you can introduce it into battle.
    1. +2
      11 November 2023 04: 51
      Absolutely right Slava1974. One self-propelled gun alone will not give anything. We need a system in which the Coalition-SV self-propelled gun will be part.
      1. 0
        11 November 2023 10: 51
        Of course, without modern target designation systems it is useless and will not be able to accurately hit targets at long distances; it is necessary for everything to work as a single complex.
        1. 0
          11 November 2023 17: 25
          The OODA cycle (“observation, orientation, decision, action”) should not be forgotten yet. If the decision-making takes several days through Frunzenskaya Embankment, it should take minutes at the request of the sergeant of the assault unit.
          1. +1
            11 December 2023 12: 33
            Solutions come only through the battery control panel, no embankments

            Once requested, the fire is transferred in less than a minute

            Unit sergeants do not command

            If artillery is assigned to a unit, then it can request fire at any time. Even without a walkie-talkie, just using tracers on the target. Even without this, those from the command post can clearly see what they need during the battle.

            Please read for your health. But don't write!
  13. +4
    10 November 2023 10: 32
    Quote: glk63
    Judging by the comments, our design bureaus employ only saboteurs,


    the conversation is not about engineers, but about the activities or “wants” of GABTU
    There are no clear formulations and deadlines...
    remember from Pushkin: “...I want to be the queen of the sea...” - something like this
  14. +2
    10 November 2023 12: 00
    If he joins the troops, we will rejoice, but I don’t want to read this “soon” anymore. In our country, in recent decades, ravines have been difficult to overcome, but on paper, of course, smoothly.
  15. -2
    10 November 2023 21: 18
    This howitzer was late to this war. And by the next time it will be outdated.
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  17. -1
    11 November 2023 17: 57
    Would this Coalition modernize Msta?
  18. 0
    11 November 2023 21: 42
    As far as I understand, Uraltransmash will assemble this self-propelled gun. The gun itself will be produced by the Motovilikha plant, the only manufacturer of artillery guns in the Russian Federation (in the process of bankruptcy, and the SVO has not changed anything).
  19. 0
    8 March 2024 08: 50
    It was necessary to install a long 52-caliber barrel on Msta during modernization. And produce them en masse like the T90. Make an aerodynamic projectile for it.

    And the Coalition is the same strange prodigy as Armata. Only it’s even worse - because the shells are not compatible with old SAUs.

    It is necessary to make the Armata tank and the Coalition self-propelled gun on a single platform of a normal size like the Armata (and not from the T90) and on the same 152mm rifled barrels, only a little shorter for the tank. We will get unification for shells. And besides, due to the new type of variable charge, the tank will be able to operate as an Acacia-type self-propelled gun from indirect firing positions and as a direct fire tank, while maintaining sufficient barrel life due to the use of a variable charge.

    But all this is not for this war, in this war there should be mass models like the T90 and Msta with a 52-caliber gun and shells with improved aerodynamics.
    1. 0
      8 March 2024 08: 57
      True, at the same time, the Armata still needs a normal V12 engine, and not this X bullshit. The new engine can be positioned longitudinally, and the AZ can be made of a conveyor type behind the turret. At the same time, the turret with the AZ will cover the engine from drones and will give you a better chance of surviving in the armored capsule, since the ammunition rack will not be in the hull. The tower itself can be covered with remote protection and spaced armor like Brazier, but of a lower height, as the tower is uninhabited. This will give another plus - the ability to place a machine gun (or 30mm cannon) above the barbecue, and not as it is now - when the machine gun rotates inside the mesh of the barbecue. Do something similar on a sauer.

      But all this is not for this war, in this war there should be mass models like the T90 and Msta with a 52-caliber gun and shells with improved aerodynamics.
  20. 0
    8 March 2024 09: 14
    Everything looks great. But it’s only been 10 years that we’ve been told about what’s here... and there’s nothing