The fuss around the Griffin

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The fuss around the Griffin

Just recently we were talking about the possibility of the “Griffin” being in the ranks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and here’s some interesting news: the multi-role fighter Saab “Gripen” modification E, or rather its first production copy, has begun a state testing program.

The main feature of the new modification, which was noticed by many experts, is the very significantly changed shape of the aircraft wing and additions in mechanization. SAAB has not officially announced the innovations, at least not yet. But the photo from the company’s official website shows that the Griffin’s wing has undergone significant changes, and has become more trapezoidal from a “truncated delta”.



Many aviation to experts, it was reminiscent of the equally famous Cold War aircraft, the SAAB Viggen, with its canard configuration and double delta wing.


What else did the experts see?

We saw the following picture: this wing shape was caused by a complete redesign and replacement of the elevons with larger ones. Elevons are rear end control surfaces that combine the functions of both elevator and ailerons. On the one hand, such a move may seem like a quick way to increase the wing area, but it will require major modifications to the flight control system and subsequent testing.


"Gripen" E with a new wing shape


"Gripen" E with an original wing shape

Here the question arises: why does “Griffin” need such, dare I say it, global changes?

Johan Segertoft, head of the Gripen business unit, explained it this way:

“Early in the development process, an opportunity was identified to improve the Gripen's payload capacity, which was a clear benefit for future operations. It was decided to implement this improvement as soon as possible. We have made software updates and some modifications to the control surfaces. These changes provide immediate benefits and demonstrate our ability to reliably deliver growth and continually improve the aircraft's future potential.”

There is logic. The aircraft in service since 1997, on the one hand, cannot be compared with the long-lived F-16 or Su-27, on the other hand, in almost 30 years there have been only four modifications - in general, such a step was long overdue.

Segertoft:
“The cornerstone of the Gripen design concept is its ability to quickly and efficiently adapt to changing needs. We continue to improve aircraft so that they can be seen and not seen, introducing new technologies and new requirements. Fighters must be able to evolve quickly, efficiently and inexpensively to meet the needs of their users. For example, the Gripen E's performance envelope has been improved and expanded by increasing the ability to accept heavier and more complex payloads to efficiently execute future missions."

Let's break it down into sections. In 2017, the Gripen modification E made its first flight. In fact, “Gripen” E, if you compare it with the “original” “Gripen” C/D, is a completely different aircraft: a new more powerful engine, increased survivability, radar with AFAR, different software, in general

Compared to its predecessor, everything was increased: the maximum take-off weight increased by 2 kg, but thanks to the new General Electric F000 engine with a thrust of 414 kgf (6 kgf in afterburner), the fighter will be able to perform non-afterburning supersonic flight at speeds up to M = 500, 10. Plus, the flight range has increased and two weapons suspension points have been added under the wings.


And to this they decided to add a new wing.

Segertoft:
“Even though the updated wing was only recently unveiled, the idea has been around for some time. The feasibility of this improvement was determined early in the development of the Gripen E using Saab design methods based on computer models. Further research through the early testing program highlighted the benefits for future operations and it was decided to incorporate these improvements into the basic design in 2021.”

The first aircraft with the modified wing configuration took flight in the second half of 2021. Today, there are as many as 16 Gripen E fighters in Sweden and Brazil. Brazil is the first and so far only export customer for the aircraft, and has also opened its production line on which 15 of the 36 Gripen E aircraft will be built. contracted by the Brazilian Air Force.


First Gripen E for Brazil

Segertoft also confirmed that the new design features that were developed as part of the modification successfully passed flight tests. And such new products will become standard for all production aircraft that will be produced further both for Sweden and for other Gripen client countries.

After all, in addition to Sweden and Brazil, Saab's clients are Hungary, the Czech Republic, Thailand and South Africa. True, aircraft of modifications C and D are in service there.


So what clear advantage does the new wing provide over the old one?

If we start from the statements made by the press service of the Saab concern, we get the following picture:
- the reinforced wing design will allow more weapons to be placed under the wing, both in quantity (plus two points, yes) and in mass. It was suggested that the Gripen E would be able to carry 4 Saab RBS 15 anti-ship missiles.


- the increased size of the wing made it possible to increase the volume of the wing fuel tanks, which affected the aircraft’s range.

The Gripen E generally has an orderly set of cargo; the aircraft can carry everything on its 9 hardpoints, from a variety of missiles and bombs to external fuel tanks.


"Gripen" E with seven MBDA Meteor air-to-air missiles and two IRIS-T air-to-air missiles

The heavier design and set of weapons of the Gripen E, the expansion of its combat potential, in principle, correspond to the recently adopted defense policy of Sweden, which again pays special attention to its the fleet fighter jets because the Swedish government seriously believes that regional security policy is deteriorating. And they connect this directly with Russia.

As part of the fight for security in the region, as well as on the eve of joining NATO, Sweden decided to extend the operation of its fleet of Gripen modifications C and D for a longer period, as well as purchase 60 new generation Gripen E.


The expectation is that “Gripen” E will become a new model weapons influence in the region may be justified if the aircraft really is as good as expected of it. And there are certain reasons for this: one should not discount the complex of improvements that a new engine, a new wing, and new electronics can provide.

A larger wing area will certainly result in improved performance at low speeds, which is especially useful for short range combat. Reasonable, since short ranges are an area in which Russian aircraft have been kings since the last century. And, since we are talking about a hypothetical confrontation with Russia, then first of all it is worth taking into account such features of Russian aircraft. Plus rockets with a very long arm.

When the likely enemy is known, and known well, you can be better prepared.

Larger elevons mean the Gripen E should have improved pitch and roll control, which is fundamental to optimizing agility. This change may well have positive effects in terms of overall handling at low speeds, including takeoff and landing, especially takeoff with a full combat load.


It should be noted that low-speed handling and maneuverability are not a key factor in the developed Gripen E modification, but they can be more than a useful by-product.

And here we immediately draw your attention to the fact that the European consortium Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug has also developed and is offering all clients a package to improve the payload capacity of its Typhoon fighter. The Aerodynamic Modification Kit (AMK) included the addition of fuselage strips, leading edge extensions and larger area elevons, increasing the maximum lift produced by the wing by 25 percent.


Diagram showing the fuselage arcs and leading edge extensions included in the Typhoon aerodynamic modification kit


AMK modifications were tested on the German prototype Eurofighter IPA7 in 2015

So, in principle, the Swedes did not create anything supernova, but, on the contrary, took the path of least resistance, using an already proven method of improving the performance characteristics of their aircraft.

True, there is a small nuance: so far, not a single country that has the Typhoon in service has decided to purchase the AMK. Although in theory the development of the Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug looks very significant: the set improves the longitudinal stability of the aircraft, which for the Typhoon with its combat payload of 7 kg (far from the weakest in the class and higher than that of the Griffin) means that it is even difficult a loaded aircraft will have reduced turn times, a tighter turning radius, and improved low-speed maneuverability.

Perhaps the Typhoon operators have not yet made conclusions about the usefulness of such a modification, and the Griffin users have little choice, because in the very near future the new wing shape will become standard for the E modification and subsequent ones (and the fact that there will be no doubt) behind her.

Another question is that Sweden and Brazil will have to master on the fly and learn all the advantages and disadvantages that this modification can bring. But it’s much easier for Brazilians - they don’t have those who threaten them at hand. Even theoretically.
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  1. +6
    8 November 2023 04: 06
    But it’s much easier for Brazilians - they don’t have those who threaten them at hand. Even theoretically.
    Thanks for the review, but who threatened Sweden before they urgently called for NATO?
    1. +3
      8 November 2023 08: 35
      Isn't there a potential threat from the inhabitants of Alpha Centauri? We need to strengthen ourselves, otherwise they will suddenly arrive. If you have a budget and a desire to cut it down, there is a threat.
    2. -3
      8 November 2023 08: 40
      Isn't there a potential threat from the inhabitants of Alpha Centauri? We need to strengthen ourselves, otherwise they will suddenly arrive. If you have a budget and a desire to cut it down, there is a threat.
    3. +5
      8 November 2023 13: 33
      The Swedes have made a mess for themselves. They lived for 200 years under their neutrality, and earned good money in both the First and Second World Wars. And now the figurines. Although, if these are just tests, then it will go into production in about two years, at best.
  2. +1
    8 November 2023 04: 22
    This is all good, this is all right...
    Why do we need the Griffin and other Typhoons, when specimens have not been tested or presented in their Fatherland (except for parades)... After such articles, a feeling of one’s own inferiority arises...
    1. +1
      8 November 2023 04: 54
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Why do we need the Griffin and other Typhoons, when specimens have not been tested or presented in their Fatherland (except for parades)... After such articles, a feeling of one’s own inferiority arises...

      How little do you need to fall into a sense of your own inferiority... Just a modernization, and not a radical one, of a decent, but not the most outstanding aircraft.
      Although maybe you are simply not aware of the radical modernizations and modifications of the Su-27?
    2. -5
      8 November 2023 06: 43
      Quote: ROSS 42
      After articles like this, you get a feeling of your own inferiority...

      Contact an appropriate professional. An experienced doctor will probably be able to at least relieve the symptoms. What do we not have? The newest dryers quite successfully land YOUR employers.
  3. -4
    8 November 2023 04: 31
    Ukraine has already lost, let them take their missiles and planes.
  4. +41
    8 November 2023 05: 50

    did anyone notice the difference? I drew the lines like this for clarity. Although even without them it is clear that two identical photos .. request Did someone adjust it or what?
    1. +13
      8 November 2023 06: 02
      What lines? This is the same photo :D
      1. +13
        8 November 2023 18: 44
        Quote: Setavr
        Although even without them it is clear that two identical photos ..
        This is a photo of the same plane. Here the plane in the photo at the beginning of the article and the plane in the double photo have differences between themselves (look along the trailing edge of the wings - larger elevons)
        (for convenience, I flipped the image from the photo)
        1. +2
          8 November 2023 20: 14
          Below in the thread, before my message there was information from Frettaskyrandi
          (Today, 15:36) on the same topic. More informative (with links to the original source).
    2. -5
      8 November 2023 06: 05
      Question... what is the article about??? There is some kind of modernization of the aircraft going on, as they say, “killers of dryers” .... but in fact, it’s something average flying, not outstanding in any way...
      WHAT IS THE ARTICLE ABOUT???
      And yes... if someone considers themselves defective... request fool
      1. +3
        8 November 2023 07: 48
        And I’ll also add, what does the prequel about Ukraine have to do with it? Yes, any essay begins with an introductory part (I forgot what it is called from literature lessons), but it is far from the main topic. And the reason for the article is banal. The author has recently been trying himself as a military expert. Without specialized education and experience, according to my personal impressions. Hence the scrapping of airplanes, helicopters, and tanks. And analysis of the bones of this very Griffin.
    3. +6
      8 November 2023 06: 52
      Quote: Region-25.rus

      did anyone notice the difference? I drew the lines like this for clarity. Although even without them it is clear that two identical photos .. request Did someone adjust it or what?

      And the inscription? wink As many as 8 differences
      1. +5
        8 November 2023 11: 02
        And the inscription? wink As many as 8 differences
        exactly.. there it is, however.. Yes.. didn’t notice recourse laughing
      2. +4
        8 November 2023 13: 45
        Noticed! I'm waiting for the moderators to fix this bug. But they are in no hurry...
    4. The comment was deleted.
    5. 0
      8 November 2023 17: 51
      As they say - why pay more? laughing
  5. +7
    8 November 2023 06: 00
    From the description it is clear how the wings of E and D differ, but from the photos provided it is not clear. The comparison photos are of the same photo.
    I googled and didn’t see any double delta.
    1. +1
      8 November 2023 07: 16
      As I understand it, the new one is in the second photo of the article, where the photo was taken from below.
      1. 0
        8 November 2023 10: 16
        No. That photo shows the SAAB “Viggen”.
  6. +2
    8 November 2023 06: 03
    No matter how I looked, I didn’t notice any difference in the planes.
    1. -5
      8 November 2023 11: 41
      For example, there is a difference in the shape of the leading edge of the wing - in the old version it is straight
      1. +10
        8 November 2023 13: 47
        Yes, it seems there are only champions here... They can’t tell the difference between “Gripen” and “Wiggen”!
        1. +3
          8 November 2023 15: 35
          Yes, it seems there are only champions here... They can’t tell the difference between “Gripen” and “Wiggen”!

          Right, you're right.
  7. fiv
    +6
    8 November 2023 06: 36
    The two photos at the beginning, where the new and original planes are, are exactly the same. Even the clouds are the same. So there are no differences?
  8. -3
    8 November 2023 06: 47
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Who threatened Sweden?

    Yes, but no one. There is no need to ask rhetorical questions.
    I advise you to read about the attitude of “enlightened” Europe towards Russia from Baron Marbo.
  9. +3
    8 November 2023 07: 31
    What is the difference between the photographs of the Gripen E with the new and original wing shape?
    1. +8
      8 November 2023 08: 30
      Quote from Anorma
      What is the difference between the photographs of “Gripen” E with a new and original roof shape?

      Signed...
  10. +4
    8 November 2023 08: 29
    A larger area means a smaller load per unit area, correspondingly better maneuverability, an increase in the elevon areas, in addition, will also affect the takeoff and landing properties of the aircraft, in the direction of improving and possibly reducing the takeoff length...
    1. 0
      8 November 2023 17: 07
      A larger area means a smaller load per unit area, correspondingly better maneuverability, an increase in the elevon areas, in addition, will also affect the takeoff and landing properties of the aircraft, in the direction of improving and possibly reducing the takeoff length...

      I haven’t read the article, but I believe this is a complete retelling of the article and I don’t recognize anything else in the article
  11. +7
    8 November 2023 10: 12
    The Grippen is a VERY good aircraft, perhaps the only truly LIGHT fighter today. It has excellent aerodynamics, it is very well suited for basing the aircraft where, from takeoff and landing qualities to the organization of maintenance. It is very, very good in terms of information support.
    Obviously, modernization will make it even better.
    Of course, light weight and, accordingly, a smaller combat load compared to heavy aircraft can be considered its disadvantage, but there’s no getting around it.
    1. AAK
      +3
      8 November 2023 10: 31
      Not a drawback at all, but rather an advantage for a relatively compact country; this fighter is capable of performing the entire range of tasks. Yes, in the strike version, due to its lightness, the capabilities of the Grippen are somewhat limited, but if something happens, you can simply slightly increase the number of aircraft
      1. +4
        8 November 2023 11: 40
        Naturally! You have to pay for everything, and the ability to fly from small, unequipped sites was one of the main design requirements.
  12. 0
    8 November 2023 10: 17
    How annoying this know-it-all graphomaniac was! Let’s start with the fact that Gripen in Swedish is, approximately, in Russian - “excited”, “overwhelmed by feeling”, etc. The word has no literal translation, as, for example, Finnish sisu. And the word for griffin in Swedish is grip. You don’t need to read the rest of the “specialist’s” article.
  13. +1
    8 November 2023 11: 04
    So, in principle, the Swedes did not create anything supernova, but, on the contrary, took the path of least resistance, using an already proven method of improving the performance characteristics of their aircraft.
    There's a question here. It concerns exactly how things are now in the avionics of modern combat vehicles. The point is how exactly the reaction to the handle is implemented.
    You can go two ways. The first is to improve the control system for the mechanisms of the wing, tail, etc., focusing on ensuring that commands from the handle are transmitted as accurately as possible. Or you can give commands for a maneuver to the on-board computer, and it itself will steer all the actuators, independently choosing the most effective (in the opinion of the software) ways of performing the maneuver.
    Depending on how exactly the control of a given aircraft is implemented, the changes made must be considered.
  14. +3
    8 November 2023 12: 25
    A good light economical aircraft. We don't have that, which is a pity.
    1. -4
      8 November 2023 17: 02
      A good light economical aircraft. We don't have that, which is a pity

      Mig 35
    2. -3
      9 November 2023 11: 24
      A good light economical aircraft. We don't have that, which is a pity.

      Yak xnumx
  15. +2
    8 November 2023 14: 28
    "Gripen" E with a new wing shape

    The author, having completely failed to understand the issue, covered up the article, as they say, about nothing.
    Gripen E aircraft with a “new” and “original” wing shape do not exist in nature.
    There is the JAS 39C aircraft and there is the JAS 39E aircraft - a further development of the Gripen fighter. It is simply unrealistic to see the changes in the JAS 39E airframe compared to the JAS 39C airframe in a photo from the Internet (the wingspan of the JAS 39C is 8,4 m, the wingspan of the JAS 39E is 8,6 m).
    For those who speak “enemy Anglo-Saxon” languages, we can offer this scheme.



    It contains comprehensive information about the difference between JAS 39C and JAS 39E.

    In general, conceptual articles about aviation from an author who is completely far from the theoretical foundations of aviation look like an oxymoron.
    1. +11
      8 November 2023 15: 36
      Gripen E aircraft with a “new” and “original” wing shape do not exist in nature.

      I am forced to disavow my comment and apologize to the author and audience.
      The Gripen company has indeed begun testing the Gripen E aircraft with enlarged elevons. This plane (serial number 6002) is pictured by the author at the very beginning of the article.




      At the top is the “new” wing, at the bottom is the old one. The differences are clearly visible.
      Original article - https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/heres-why-saabs-gripen-e-fighters-wing-suddenly-grew-in-size
  16. Eug
    +3
    9 November 2023 07: 22
    That's how - without any pomp and shouting about the 5th generation and "analogues will die out" - one (actually two - taking into account the complex of equipment) characteristics of the 5th generation has been achieved - supersonic without afterburner. And what will they buy - the “unparalleled” Checkmate model or the real Griffin?
    1. +1
      29 January 2024 13: 12
      Who told you about the characteristics of the “fifth generation”? Someone other than popmech has already released some generally accepted generational standards? EMNIP no one had heard anything about “generations” until the appearance of Raptor. It was then that Lohokid Martin came up with the idea of ​​calling it the “fifth generation” to justify the explosive increase in the price of the aircraft. Before him, it had never occurred to anyone to divide combat aviation into certain generations.
      So that you don’t suffer too much from the feeling of inferiority, let me remind you that aircraft like the Tu-144 and Concorde had non-afterburning supersonic power. And among the military, the MiG-25 and MiG-31 flew at non-afterburning supersonic speed. And they did this long before the idea of ​​the “fifth generation” came into the heads of US marketers.
      You know, a careful study of the history of aviation, both domestic and world, eliminates many psychological problems :)
  17. +1
    9 November 2023 18: 43
    Interesting author Roman. Pisuchy, touches on a variety of topics, but it seems to me that there are several novels. His materials are very different in quality - from wonderful, almost brilliant, to some kind of crap. I can't believe this was written by the same person. Roman, who are you?
  18. -1
    9 November 2023 21: 32
    Quote: Kasatik
    Interesting author Roman. Pissy, yes.
    Covers a variety of topics. However, it seems that Roman is somewhat wretched. His materials are painfully similar in terms of crap quality. I can't believe this was written by the same person. Roman, who are you?

    The same one! He doesn’t understand anything. Down is complete! Earns line by line. As Blotter said: “I can do this too.” Judging by my narrow topic, where the graphomaniac novel is talking nonsense, hello. And that means it’s no better in others. Roman, you should shut up, it will be better for the Motherland...
  19. +1
    9 November 2023 23: 37
    Smart approach with modification. At one time, the military was offered to change the wing of the MiG-21, alas.
    1. +1
      10 November 2023 00: 39
      Quote: Pavel57
      proposed to the military to change the wing of the MiG-21

      Never heard. Very interesting. On Bartini's wing, no? Can I have details?
    2. 0
      29 January 2024 13: 25
      What for? I'm not kidding, just curious. As far as I know, the Migovites themselves played the “balalaika” for quite a long time. At least until the 90s for sure. I heard about replacing the engine, about multiple replacements of the radar. In 1975, they made almost a “Tupolev modernization” - the MiG-21 bis. But it seems that it was never proposed to change the wing.
  20. +1
    10 November 2023 11: 02
    Quote: Rumata
    Quote: Pavel57
    proposed to the military to change the wing of the MiG-21

    Never heard. Very interesting. On Bartini's wing, no? Can I have details?


    There aren't too many details. There were schemes where the delta wing was changed to a trapezoid, somewhere like the MiG-25.
  21. 0
    27 January 2024 20: 54
    Cognitive information.
    A little bloodshed is a decent result.
  22. 0
    8 March 2024 15: 45
    "Gripen" E with a new wing shape
    Gripen with old
    +++++++++++++++++

    Skomorokhov, your photos from the new and old versions of Krvla have the same photos. Welcome.