Decorated revolvers

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Decorated revolvers
Pepperbox for Derpe pin cartridges by Jean Mathieu, a gunsmith from Vendre (Liège region), who worked fruitfully in the field of arms production. Caliber 7,5 mm, six-shot and, as you can see, richly decorated with carvings


“That same night we took the boy home. We persuaded him and told him that his father had bought him a rifle with a silver notch and moccasins, and that tomorrow we would go bear hunting.”
"Chief of the Redskins", O'Henry

stories about weapons. Today our story will be devoted exclusively to weapons decorated with carvings and engravings. We will not delve into ancient times, but again we will start with capsule and hairpin revolvers, that is, from the beginning of the XNUMXth century. Women who read our articles on VO and adore pistols with mother-of-pearl handles will also have something to look at here. Wooden “cheeks” on the handle, in my opinion, are, of course, better, since the hand does not slip on them. But it’s beautiful with mother-of-pearl – there’s nothing to say here. Well, let's start by remembering that all types of carvings, which were used to decorate weapons at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, were tested back in the XNUMXth century and were widely used by gunsmiths to decorate knightly armor and weapons.



First of all, it was metal carving and engraving. These techniques were masterfully mastered by Italian gunsmiths from Milan, Florence and Venice. And then they were even ahead of the German and French masters from Augsburg and Paris. For example, an ornament or “picture” on a weapon was engraved, and the background itself was covered with gold, which gave the weapon an exceptionally elegant look. But gilding items was not only expensive, but also dangerous to health. Indeed, for this purpose, the blacksmith method or “gilding through fire” was used for a long time, when iron products were coated with a paste of gold dissolved in mercury, and then heated over a fire. The mercury evaporated (and the master, no matter how hard he tried, had to breathe with these vapors), and the gold was combined with the iron base. Gilding using foil was used. It was safe, but labor-intensive and expensive. That is why later they began to use the galvanic method of gilding and silvering, which today has replaced all others.

But, of course, the simplest way to finish firearms, and pistols in particular, was bluing. It was carried out on hot charcoal or by burning products in hot ash. In this way, for example, black bluing was obtained, which took root in the finishing of revolvers and pistols, and was used until the middle of the XNUMXth century and later. Blueish and brown bluing was known, with a red tint.

Another common type of weapon decoration, which has also been known for a long time, was engraving, which is in many ways similar to metal carving. There were (and still exist) three types of it: flat, armored and pre-finished with blackening. The first one is the simplest. It was applied in thin lines, not only on metal, but also on bone and even mother-of-pearl.

The essence of armored (or volumetric) engraving was that the master removed the background of the pattern, which then became embossed. It is clear that doing such work on large surfaces was long and difficult, but finishing small parts was convenient - and this is how pistol and rifle locks, and even barrels were very often decorated.

So, already from the end of the XNUMXth century. Armor and weapons are increasingly decorated not with metal carving, which was a labor-intensive and expensive task, but with cheaper etching. Moreover, the pattern made on metal using the etching technique was very similar in appearance to the same engraving. Only the technology here was much more productive, which is why gunsmiths began to use it. The essence of the technology was to apply a heated paste consisting of wax, bitumen and tree resin to the metal surface. Of course, they kept its exact composition and proportions a secret, but in principle the mixture of these ingredients was sufficient. And then the product was immersed in acid (or a mixture of acids), which created an etched groove on its surface. You could additionally go over it with a gravel or etch it once, and then fill it with niello mixed with mineral oil. Then the product was heated, the oil evaporated, and the niello was very firmly connected to the metal. By the way, the technology of silver blackening was very popular in the Caucasus in the XNUMXth–XNUMXth centuries, and even today it is a real national art form here.

At the same time, such finishing with gold and silver as tauching, notching, or inlay was also known. When this technique is used, the steel surface of firearm parts is decorated with gold, silver, brass, and copper.

It itself is very simple, which is why it was used so widely. The master applies the outline of the future design to the product. Then you need to select the metal from the lines of this contour by etching or carving and get the recesses. Etching alone is not enough, and then the design is deepened with a cutter (sticker). The outline drawing was usually made using only carving or engraving without etching. In the case of more complex planar inlay with sheet pieces of metal, etching was first used, followed by finishing with a sharp cutter. By the way, this is why this technique is called notching. Another term, “tausche”, is of German origin: from the word “tauschiren” - “to inlay”. It was brought to Russia by German gunsmiths in the XNUMXth century, and it took root, but the term “notch” was never completely replaced.

By the way, there are two types of notches - flat and embossed. When flat, a wire is placed in the cut groove and driven into it with light blows of a hammer. In this case, the gold or silver wire completely fills the groove. Then the pattern is polished so that the wire does not protrude above the surface. With a relief cut, the convex relief is preserved. In the XNUMXth century, gold notching was applied only to very expensive custom-made custom weapons.

Inlay with gold and silver is also used to decorate wooden parts of weapons, only horn and bone are also added there. But since we are talking about pistols from an era when only the handle linings remained wooden, we don’t need to talk about it in this case, since it is not used. But carving and engraving of bone handle linings is used quite widely.

Well, now let's look at our “gallery of decorated revolvers and pistols.”


Factory engraving of a Colt Navy revolver. Gorgeous scroll engraving with waves all the way down to the trigger. Luxurious wooden handles. A total of 2000 engraved copies were produced. On engraved copies there is no patent date on the frame, only the inscription "Colt Patent"


Revolver of the Lefoshe system, chambered for 7-mm caliber pin cartridges, six-shot, double action, round barrel 95 mm long. Ivory handle grips. Manufacturer not identified. However, this revolver is worth a look. It is black blued, and it is decorated with a notch made of copper wire and pieces of copper!


The frame and drum of this revolver are decorated with large checkering


His drum and cartridges for it


Another revolver of the Lefoshe system and next to it cartridges for it from an unknown manufacturer. Caliber 7 mm, six-shot, double action. Handle grips made of ebony (or ebony). The frame and drum are deeply carved and finished in bronze


Floral design on frame and drum


There is also a floral pattern on the monstrous 15-mm caliber revolver with a folding knife under the barrel, which we recently wrote about...


And this is how the drum of this revolver was decorated...


Colt 1855 Navy (or Root Side-Trigger Revolver), .28 caliber (7mm). The revolver is undoubtedly factory engraved. There is an opinion that this is a special order, since there is very little information about it. The name "Colt 1855" is poorly chosen. Colt only received a patent for such a revolver in 1855, and its production began in 1856. But for us the most important thing is its engraving...


Please note - every detail of the revolver is engraved!


Barrel engraving


A very beautiful “silver” cartridge revolver from an unknown manufacturer. Similar to Fagnus' revolver, but has a Mauser safety catch. Weight: 995 g. Caliber: .44 Russian (10,6 mm). Barrel length: 120,7 mm. Total length: 255 mm. The revolver has a single and double action mechanism, of excellent quality, all parts are well fitted. Both frame and drum are plated in silver, although this finish has suffered greatly from time to time. As for the number of such revolvers, it could not be large and, most likely, should have been limited to a maximum of a dozen copies


Drum thread


René Galant's 1895 hammerless cyclodog chambered for 6mm caliber and with a mother-of-pearl handle!


Another hammerless bicycle dog “Pappy” (“Puppy”) with bronze details, 6 mm, 1904.


And this is such a “ladies’” holster for him!


Engraved "pappy" with bulldog type trigger. Caliber .320


And this is a drum and cartridges for it!


Hammerless “pappy” from an unknown manufacturer with copper knurling and a handle with mother-of-pearl overlays. Truly barbaric splendor!

To be continued ...

PS


The author and administration of the site express gratitude to Alain Dobresse (littlegun.be) for permission to use his photographic materials.
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  1. +10
    6 November 2023 05: 31
    Good morning Vyacheslav Olegovich, good morning Comrades! If ordinary engraving or etching on iron costs at least 1000 rubles, then cutting the entire product from fairly good steel should increase the cost of the product by a thousand.
    Although I personally don’t like these “show-offs”. Military weapons should be as smooth as possible, and no one has yet come up with a better oxidation coating. Sometimes you get tired of cleaning the raised cheeks on the PM, especially if the gun is not yours. Although I must admit, revolvers and pepperboxes (along with hunting rifles) sometimes require a kind of pretentiousness and posing.
    Have a nice day everyone, success and prosperity! So that at least one collectible revolver hangs in your office at home!!!!.
    1. +10
      6 November 2023 06: 06
      Who forces you to clean other people's PMs?
      1. +12
        6 November 2023 06: 39
        I don’t like these “show offs”
        Up-salute-but in solidarity!
        Who forces you to clean other people's PMs?
        - How did he die?
        — I was cleaning my weapon and accidentally shot myself.
        - Why is he covered in bruises?
        - I didn’t want to clean it.
      2. +2
        6 November 2023 07: 23
        Quote: Andrey Moskvin
        Who forces you to clean other people's PMs?

        When you are one of the men in a unit, your fate is obvious...
        1. +2
          6 November 2023 08: 18
          Somehow I didn’t even think about it, sorry. And to clean, not to unload the cars. Lazy people. laughing
          1. +4
            6 November 2023 13: 15
            Quote: Andrey Moskvin
            Somehow I didn’t even think about it, sorry. And to clean, not to unload the cars. Lazy people. laughing

            The girls do worse - they defiantly take out wet wipes......
            I take revenge on them by using the stinkiest gun oil before cleaning...
            In the duty room, they know my work by smell and don’t even check it. laughing
    2. +4
      6 November 2023 07: 15
      So that at least one collectible revolver hangs in your office at home!!!!.
      I'm not picky, I prefer the CZ-75 in the safe. And on the wall it’s better to use a Zweihander.
      Good morning Vlad!
      1. +2
        6 November 2023 07: 41
        Hello buddy, you are not picky, but practical and functional!
        [Why does a cat need a mustache - obviously for beauty!
        Why does a dog need a tail? The dog knows what the question is...

        drinks
        1. +1
          6 November 2023 07: 49
          Why does a dog need a tail?
          To enjoy life! wink
          1. +3
            6 November 2023 08: 27
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Why does a dog need a tail?
            To enjoy life! wink

            The most non-functional item for canines - just kidding!
            By the way, the first bicycle dogs were intended to protect the heels and butts of cyclists from the dog tribe. Even twenty years ago it was possible to ride a motorcycle along the Danube (the name of the area) without being escorted or barked at. Nowadays it’s rare, very rare that people bark at you from behind the fence, and then only to profanely. The dogs have shredded or gotten smarter, only the cats are running around the streets. However, milking me personally is good luck!!!
            1. +2
              6 November 2023 09: 44
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              Even twenty years ago it was possible to ride a motorcycle along the Danube (the name of the area) without being escorted or barked at. Nowadays it’s rare, very rare that people bark at you from behind the fence, and then only to profanely. The dogs have either shredded or gotten smarter, only the cats are running around the streets.

              Dear Vladislav! Can I take this passage as an epigraph to another article?
              1. +2
                6 November 2023 13: 10
                Dear Vladislav! Can I take this passage as an epigraph to another article?

                No problem Vyacheslav Olegovich! hi
              2. -2
                9 November 2023 23: 16
                I always thought you were a very good author on history. But the topic of surface finishing is not yours. From the word absolutely. Sorry, but I am quite disappointed with both the selection of illustrations and the quality of the text. Since I studied to become an engraver (until my wife’s dog broke my right arm in two places), now I’m somehow recovering.
                Gilding using foil was used. It was safe, but labor-intensive and expensive.

                The first method of gilding is notching. A recess was selected, its bottom was cut with a chisel in the form of a “ruff” or, as it were, a brush, a metal plate was inserted into the recess and settled by chasing. Not necessarily gold, silver and alloys too.
                The second is touching. Also a recess, also a “roughness” in it, but instead of a plate of the desired shape, just a thin wire, which was used to fill the recess row by row. This is the favorite method in Zlatoust for gift XO. The advantage of this method is that it consumes less gold. Minus - not suitable for the gun box, it will be blown away by recoil. Fine embossing of relief, for example, the feathers on the wings of birds or the anatomy of girlish figures, is also impossible.
                bluing. It was carried out on hot charcoal or by burning products in hot ash

                Lubricate with vegetable oil and heat to 180 - 200 degrees. The result is a stench and a deep blue or black color.
                Colored calcine - heating in a box in a mixture of coal, ash, various reagents up to 800 - 900 and dropping from the box into water. You get beautiful stains on the surface of the hardened and nitrided part, and a cloud of smelly smoke. Why do you need to do this under a hood or in the yard.
                engraving, .... the simplest

                Simple is wrong. The main difficulty is that there is no room for error at all; the cut metal cannot be returned back. Tools often break and become dull. Half the time is sharpening. There are two methods - manual, when the master presses on the serger with one hand, and with the other prevents it from falling off and ruining everything, hammer, when the instrument is hit with a hammer, and pneumatic serger, which combines the disadvantages and advantages of both.
                not decorated with metal carvings,

                There is no such term. Engraving, high relief, bas-relief.
                the etching pattern was very similar in appearance..... its exact composition and proportions were kept secret

                Not like that. The engraved pattern shines with light reflection from the bottom of the grooves, and the etched grooves are matte. The compositions of masks and mastics are well known, there is no precision there, the components are poured in according to common sense - if the rosin is more fragile, add a little bitumen, and vice versa. But it’s easier to take ML 111 and not suffer from garbage. With these compounds, you can simply paint, wait for it to dry, and etch off the metal in the unpainted part. The method requires high skills in drawing miniatures with a drawing pen and leads to the misfortune of the cat, whose whiskers are pulled out to draw the finest strokes. Pig bristles are also good, but if the engraver is not a hunter, they are less available.
                black mixed with mineral oil. ...popular in the Caucasus

                The niello was fused with the metal, and if there was a little oil in it, it would burn out. It is not popular anywhere except the Caucasus, since the item is unsuitable for repair, and chemical equipment was often damaged in ancient times.
                For planar inlay with sheet metal pieces, etching was first used, followed by finishing with a sharp cutter.

                They etched under the inlay extremely and extremely rarely.
                1. +1
                  9 November 2023 23: 27
                  Quote: eule
                  leads to the unhappiness of the cat, whose pulled out whiskers draw the finest strokes

                  You should pull out your fingers, one per week, all twenty-one, so that you can understand better:

                  The whiskers, or vibrissae, are an important tactile organ of the cat, responsible for the tactile function. Vibrissa (lat. vibrissae) is not a simple hair, but a separate organ surrounded by nerve endings and muscle fibers, directly transmitting impulses to the brain

                  Quote: eule
                  until my wife's dog broke my right arm in two places

                  This is no accident. There's no point in killing cats Yes negative
                2. -1
                  10 November 2023 00: 06
                  Quote: eule
                  The method requires high skills in drawing miniatures with a drawing pen and leads to the misfortune of the cat, whose whiskers are pulled out to draw the finest strokes.

                  Well, you are flayers. I know from school biology lessons that a cat's whiskers are very sensitive. Organ of touch.
            2. AUL
              +4
              6 November 2023 10: 36
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              Nowadays it’s rare, very rare that people bark at you from behind the fence, and then only to profanely. The canines were crushed,

              This is how they used to keep hefty kabyzdokhs to guard the yard, but now they have cute chihuas for young mistresses! laughing
              1. +1
                6 November 2023 22: 28
                Quote from AUL
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                Nowadays it’s rare, very rare that people bark at you from behind the fence, and then only to profanely. The canines were crushed,

                This is how they used to keep hefty kabyzdokhs to guard the yard, but now they have cute chihuas for young mistresses! laughing

                A normal kabysdoh would never bother with such nonsense. At best, he went out to meet the owner or a cow from the pasture. All sorts of creeps ran after the cyclists and motorcycles - knee-deep and below.
            3. +5
              6 November 2023 12: 14
              Indeed, stray dogs have disappeared somewhere. Along with urban sparrows, the number of crows has decreased dramatically.
              1. +3
                6 November 2023 14: 38
                Nowadays, Koreans no longer eat dogs!
                1. +2
                  6 November 2023 15: 15
                  Come on drinks

                  does not provide useful information.
                  1. +3
                    6 November 2023 19: 49
                    Come on
                    Vietnam in the photo. And so, the Korean woman said that in the village it is still possible to get dog meat, but it is more and more difficult. Old people sometimes eat it because meat is considered medicinal, good for bones and joints. The taste is not very good, as she said. Something like this.
                    1. +2
                      6 November 2023 22: 43
                      A work colleague of mine in Moscow - a Korean from Sakhalin - several times ordered the delivery of dog meat during lunch breaks to improve his health after the holidays, through some secret channels. I offered to try it, but somehow I screwed up. Yes, and it’s boiled, not kebab - some kind of soup.
      2. +2
        6 November 2023 13: 33
        Good day Anton, you are not a simpleton: ICHZ 75.
        I would be satisfied with an old “revolver”, but with a supply of cartridges
        1. +1
          6 November 2023 13: 45
          Hello, Glory!
          It was love at first shot
  2. +5
    6 November 2023 06: 27
    To everyone's taste, from everyone according to their financial capabilities. The client has the right to his own quirks.
    Kote Pan Kokhanka (Vladislav)
    ... revolvers and pepperboxes (along with hunting rifles) - sometimes they ask for a kind of pretentiousness and posing.
    I agree about custom-made revolvers, and especially hunting rifles. But the pepperbox (pepper shaker) clearly does not ask for such pretentiousness, although each owner has his own tastes.
    1. +5
      6 November 2023 07: 06
      And in my opinion, this forerunner of the revolver is the only one asking for gypsyism. hi But I can’t stand patterns on weapons, even on knives.
    2. +1
      6 November 2023 07: 45
      Quote: rotmistr60
      To everyone's taste, from everyone according to their financial capabilities. The client has the right to his own quirks.
      Kote Pan Kokhanka (Vladislav)
      ... revolvers and pepperboxes (along with hunting rifles) - sometimes they ask for a kind of pretentiousness and posing.
      I agree about custom-made revolvers, and especially hunting rifles. But the pepperbox (pepper shaker) clearly does not ask for such pretentiousness, although each owner has his own tastes.

      With all due respect!
      And if the device is the only one in the area with eighteen barrels and a stagecoach on springs!!!
      fellow
  3. +3
    6 November 2023 07: 06
    https://youtu.be/hY_DQ0KEdHg?si=oKoE30AgZm3VFq9x
    Here's how you can't remember
  4. +4
    6 November 2023 07: 35
    Scuff marks on the trigger indicate that the revolver has been heavily used.

    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  5. +3
    6 November 2023 09: 28
    Another revolver of the Lefoshe system and next to it cartridges for it from an unknown manufacturer.

    Am I the only one who thinks the drum is at an angle relative to the barrel?
    1. +2
      6 November 2023 10: 39
      Am I the only one who thinks the drum is at an angle relative to the barrel?

      This is an “optical effect” due to the fact that the frame shield is larger in diameter than the drum.
      1. +6
        6 November 2023 11: 14
        It doesn't look like this is the problem.

        Perhaps the shooting angle is wrong.
        1. +3
          6 November 2023 13: 20
          This series of photographs has another defect. The barrel and cylinder appear flat. It's strange that no one noted it. The issue seems to be in the specific light, or in the subsequent processing of the image. Although most likely the light. It really hurts my eyes. The photographer obviously wanted to ensure uniform illumination of the engraving, but the rendering of the form suffered as a result.
        2. +6
          6 November 2023 13: 54
          Perhaps the shooting angle is wrong.

          More likely. The revolver is not placed strictly horizontally.
          By the way, Vincent van Gogh shot himself with such a revolver. The rusty frame of this weapon was sold at auction in 2019 for $183.

  6. +8
    6 November 2023 10: 11
    Today our story will be devoted exclusively to weapons decorated with carvings and engravings.

    A few clarifications.
    There is no such thing as metal carving as artistic processing. Carving is a method of artistic processing of wood or bone. And engraving is one of the types of artistic metal processing.
    There were (and still exist) three types of it: flat, armored and pre-finished with blackening.

    There are two types of engraving - planar two-dimensional and armored three-dimensional, which is divided into positive, when the relief is higher than the background, and negative, when the design is cut in depth. Engraving for blackening and tauching refers to planar engraving.
    In general, the artistic decoration of weapons is a very interesting topic. Truly outstanding masters have worked and are working in this area.



    Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Magnum. The engraver is Lynton McKenzie, about whom a separate article can be written.

    Unfortunately, of all the illustrations that the author presented in the article, only the first revolver can be classified as an artistic weapon. Judging by the style, this is the work of the famous XNUMXth century engraver who worked for the Colt company, Gustave Young (Gustave Young), or work in his style of good class.



    The rest of the weapons are cheap handicrafts, which little-known companies have traditionally used to attract undemanding buyers.
    1. +5
      6 November 2023 11: 38
      Quote from Frettaskyrandi
      about which you can write a separate article.

      But it's hardly worth it. There is only a short article about him on the Internet. But “References” doesn’t open for me.
      1. +4
        6 November 2023 13: 51
        There is only a short article about him on the Internet.

        I wonder how people wrote about anything before 1991, when there was no Internet?
        It is even impossible to imagine how, for example, FREDERICK TODD in 1980 wrote his three-volume AMERICAN MILITARY EQUIPAGE 1851-1872 COMPLETE TWO VOLUME SET, which today is a reference book for all those interested in American weapons of this period.
        1. +6
          6 November 2023 14: 33
          Quote from Frettaskyrandi
          It is even impossible to imagine how, for example, FREDERICK TODD in 1980 wrote his three-volume AMERICAN MILITARY EQUIPAGE 1851-1872 COMPLETE TWO VOLUME SET, which today is a reference book for all those interested in American weapons of this period.

          If I lived in America, I would also write. And in the USSR, Steven Zalogi’s book about Soviet armored vehicles was in the special storage of Leninka, and in order to gain access to it I had to bring paper from the DOSAAF Main Directorate. But the drawings and performance characteristics of the T-27 wedge were on a “secret sheet” even in 1987 and they were not given to me! True, in 1989, NAMI sent BLUE(1) of the 1929 drawings of the T-24 tank. And I was the first to write about him in detail in England and the USSR.
          1. +2
            6 November 2023 15: 11
            But the drawings and performance characteristics of the T-27 wedge were on a “secret sheet” even in 1987 and they were not given to me!

            And in 1981, a fly agaric from the first department covered up half of my report on practice with a poster pen, citing the fact that this was secret data. To the appeal that everything was copied from a book, which is in the library on the same floor two doors away, the faithful Leninist calmly replied that he had instructions, and in 1937 he would have shot the author of the book.
            1. +4
              6 November 2023 17: 18
              Quote from Frettaskyrandi
              But the drawings and performance characteristics of the T-27 wedge were on a “secret sheet” even in 1987 and they were not given to me!

              And in 1981, a fly agaric from the first department covered up half of my report on practice with a poster pen, citing the fact that this was secret data. To the appeal that everything was copied from a book, which is in the library on the same floor two doors away, the faithful Leninist calmly replied that he had instructions, and in 1937 he would have shot the author of the book.

              Very familiar. However, even now little has changed! However, I’ll wait a week and write a funny article about it!
      2. +1
        6 November 2023 14: 20
        But it's hardly worth it.

        Trust me - it's worth it. At least in defiance of those wretched organisms that have recently been multiplying even under your articles about weapons. This was not the case before. Experience shows that weeds can completely choke out cultivated varieties. I don’t think that you will be pleased to write articles whose readers are complete idiots.
    2. +1
      6 November 2023 11: 43
      No metal carvings

      This reminded me of something painfully familiar. Well, of course! Yes
      “What have we come to, Elena Stanislavovna, you see, the customer wants the carving. But it’s not in the resefesery! No, that’s all!!!” - said Viktor Mikhailovich Polesov, one of the former intellectuals, in the tone of an opera devil, by current profession an individual mechanic, but by nature a critic and an ebullient lazy person - “yesterday I ran around the whole city, I couldn’t get three-eighths of an inch dies. No. No! And they are going to launch a tram!..”. But then a fire train rushed past, and Polesov, excited by the sounds of the trumpet and incinerated by the fire of curiosity, abandoned Madame Bour and rushed after the fire chariots. (With)
      laughing
      1. -1
        6 November 2023 13: 36
        This reminded me of something painfully familiar.

        Take a pain reliever - pentalgin or ibuprofen.
    3. +4
      6 November 2023 14: 41
      Quote from Frettaskyrandi
      There were (and still exist) three types of it: flat, armored and pre-finished with blackening.

      Copied from the book by Shokarev (weapons department of the State Historical Museum), Dragunov and Plotnikov (head of the weapons department of the Russian Army Museum).
      1. +3
        6 November 2023 14: 55
        Copied from Shokarev's book
        By the way, Yuri Vladimirovich is a good friend of our Sea Cat.
        1. +3
          6 November 2023 17: 14
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Yuri Vladimirovich is a good friend of our Sea Cat.

          And it would be great if I could ask one person to ask the other one to do it... But... it’s so “borrowing”, it’s so stressful for people in general... unfamiliar people, forcing them to work for you without the opportunity to answer to repay them in kind... alas, I can’t do that. Therefore, I can only wish good health to Kot and be glad that he has such a friend.
          1. +1
            6 November 2023 17: 28
            Well, both of them have not worked at the State Historical Museum for almost 20 years. But you can try to contact the current curator-gunsmith of the Hermitage.
            1. +2
              6 November 2023 18: 13
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              But you can try to contact the current curator-gunsmith of the Hermitage.

              From the manager I communicate with all the funds, and everything seems to be fine. But it’s so difficult...It’s easier to work with foreigners.
              1. 0
                9 November 2023 23: 23
                Quote: kalibr
                .It is easier to work with foreigners

                On the gansru there is a member PAULIUS who worked for 20 years at Ruger as an engraver, then for Tony Galazan, now at Westley Richards. Knows six languages ​​in the sense of passing for a local. When asked what he thought of Clinton, he replied that he had "engraved a couple of guns for him." Ask him to write, he is a master with more than 30 years of experience. He knew the late Tarasyuk, who got him a job at Ruger.
        2. +2
          6 November 2023 19: 52
          A first-person look at Shokarev:
          “We weren’t great friends, and we weren’t enemies either.
          Yurka, in my opinion, was a very strong pro in his topic.
          Kholodnyak, armor, hunting rifles, combat firearms until the mid-19th century.
          When he wrote articles about more modern weapons, he did not shy away from consulting me.
          He didn’t know how to get along with people, and the women later ate him up. But he had no support in the department, I immediately wrote an application for payment,
          When I found out that Ilya Abramzon was leaving, I knew that Yurka and I wouldn’t work well together. Yes, and the time was such that I needed
          making money, but feeding a family on a museum salary was somehow not very good.
          I don’t know, if I had stayed there, maybe Yurka wouldn’t have left either. I don't know..."©
      2. +4
        6 November 2023 15: 01
        Copied from the book by Shokarev (weapons department of the State Historical Museum), Dragunov and Plotnikov (head of the weapons department of the Russian Army Museum).

        With all due respect to them, they are not experts in the field of artistic metal processing. In such cases, I prefer highly specialized literature on the profile, for example, Schneider, rather than secondary sources.
        1. +3
          6 November 2023 17: 10
          Well, firstly, they could have learned something in this area, since they are doing it and writing. From somewhere they also copied this. And - yes, checking using special books is the best thing, but... it takes time. And here - you referred to the book, page, and any (any!) publishing house will leave you behind today. Again... most likely it is necessary, as you write. Yes. But now no one does that here. I don't want to be the first on this path. Life time is too limited!
  7. +6
    6 November 2023 10: 49
    But I have a preference for little gold! If the owner of such a piece of gold finds himself penniless somewhere, he will be able to use “his pride” “this way and that way”!


    1. +4
      6 November 2023 11: 22
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      But I have a preference for little gold!

      There will be about it!
    2. +3
      6 November 2023 14: 00
      But what about General Charnot, with his: “I’ll sell my pants, I’ll sell everything, but not my revolver!” request
  8. +4
    6 November 2023 11: 08
    Moreover, the pattern made on metal using the etching technique was very similar in appearance to the same engraving. Only the technology here was much more productive, which is why gunsmiths began to use it. The essence of the technology was to apply a heated paste consisting of wax, bitumen and tree resin to the metal surface. Of course, they kept its exact composition and proportions a secret, but in principle the mixture of these ingredients was sufficient. And then the product was immersed in acid (or a mixture of acids), which created an etched groove on its surface.

    As usual, not without its flaws.
    The essence of etching is not in applying a “secret paste” - there is absolutely nothing secret in it, but in the fact that a pattern is scratched across the applied coating and those places where the metal becomes exposed interact with acid and are etched.
    It is clear that cutting metal with an awl is more difficult than scratching wax with an awl.
    1. +4
      6 November 2023 11: 20
      Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
      the design is scratched and those places where the metal becomes exposed react with acid and are etched.

      Yes, this phrase was missed. It's good that you were so careful when reading.
  9. +5
    6 November 2023 13: 13
    What's the point of this? I can’t stomach the decorations on firearms; I have an uneasy feeling about the TT as a model of utilitarianism. The exception is English butts made of good walnut with unpretentious, sparse (but tasteful) carvings. But edged weapons, on the contrary, are very good. I like it in a richly and skillfully decorated form, without compromising the quality of the steel (this comes first). Some kind of weapon split request
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you. Your firearms articles are always a pleasure, as are the others. Where is the Alphabet of rare revolvers and a few pistols?
    1. +5
      6 November 2023 14: 12
      I breathe unevenly towards the TT as a model of utilitarianism


    2. +5
      6 November 2023 14: 26
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Where is the Alphabet of rare revolvers and a few pistols?

      While it's in my head. Not everything is as fast as we would like. Now a continuation has been written about decorated pistols, an article on the Middle Ages is being completed - what would it be without it. After all, before writing, you need to find, translate, read.
      1. +4
        6 November 2023 14: 51
        an article on the Middle Ages is being completed -
        “It’s just some kind of holiday!” (c)
        1. +4
          6 November 2023 17: 04
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          an article on the Middle Ages is being completed -

          Yes, Anton, lucky. Found in Nat. library of France, one book from the collection of Jean, Duke of Berry, and it contains beautiful illustrations. Of course, one can only guess about the content of the text to which they are attached, but what they depict is already interesting. It’s a pity I couldn’t insert them into the book “The Brilliant Middle Ages”. Now all hope is for its two sequels. I just finished it, I’m sitting and staring at the pictures again... Beautiful. However, you will see.
          1. +1
            6 November 2023 17: 17
            Of course, one can only guess about the content of the text to which they are attached,
            What kind of book is this, Vyacheslav Olegovich? Share the link, maybe I can help with something...
            1. +2
              6 November 2023 18: 16
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              maybe I can help with something...

              There's no point, Anton. The book "The History of Alexander the Great" written in Roman times and translated, rewritten and illustrated for Duke Jean. It's all in the pictures! In pictures - as a source of our knowledge about the Middle Ages.
              1. +4
                6 November 2023 19: 08
                The book "The History of Alexander the Great" written in Roman times and translated, rewritten and illustrated for Duke Jean.

                Author - Quintus Curtius Rufus?

                1. +2
                  6 November 2023 19: 31
                  It’s probably worth noting here that Rufus himself is a semi-legendary person.
                  1. +3
                    6 November 2023 19: 42
                    It’s probably worth noting here that Rufus himself is a semi-legendary person.

                    And his Historia Alexandri Magni is semi-fantastic.
                    1. 0
                      6 November 2023 20: 36
                      Hmmm... Shall we forgive the authors for their excursions into science fiction? For where were we without the romantics?
                    2. +1
                      6 November 2023 21: 12
                      That’s where “folkhistory” began.
              2. +1
                6 November 2023 19: 18
                "The History of Alexander the Great"
                In principle, expected.
                1. +2
                  6 November 2023 19: 23
                  If this is a translation, then it was created for King Philip IV of France.
          2. +3
            6 November 2023 17: 39
            Yes, Anton, lucky. Found in Nat. library of France one book from the collection of Jean, Duke of Berry, and it contains beautiful illustrations

            Have we really reached Les Très Riches Heures du duc de Berry?

            1. +1
              6 November 2023 17: 50
              Of course, one can only guess about the content of the text to which they are attached,
              I don’t think one can doubt the contents of the book of hours, even with secular illustrations.
              1. +1
                6 November 2023 17: 59
                Perhaps the author found some other book. That’s what I wrote, the first thing that came to mind.
            2. +3
              6 November 2023 18: 18
              It was just about the “Beautiful Book of Hours” that the lazy one just didn’t write. I also wrote, by the way. Another book. The novelty of the article text is 97% according to Advego Plagiatus.
  10. +4
    6 November 2023 13: 28
    Whatever you say, they are handsome. But damn me if it improved the weapon. What "lightened" your pocket - don't go to grandma's
  11. +4
    6 November 2023 18: 19
    I'll shoot you with a beautiful pistol... If a bullet made of gold reaches you.

    Vyacheslav Olegovich! Thanks for the interesting material and many photos!
    For me, the redundancy of decorations on personal weapons remains incomprehensible. Inlay, bone overlays in the size of wooden ones, crocodile skin instead of bovine leather... This is an indicator of the owner’s wealth.
    But what’s in the photo in the title... It’s almost like filing the firing pin, but so that it sometimes reaches the capsule.
    Maybe I'm wrong?
    1. 0
      9 November 2023 23: 32
      Quote from Fangaro
      the redundancy of personal weapon decorations remains unclear

      To begin with, the small, frequent rose and scroll pattern on the gun seemed to be a reservoir for lubricant, which spread from the engraving grooves over the rest of the surface, slightly slowing down rusting.
      The engraving served as a bit of protection against theft - someone who brought a gun with the monogram of someone famous to a pawnshop was simply seized until it was clarified.
      On the contrary, it was a valuable gift from the ruler to his subjects, which was not re-gifted or sold. (see above)
      In the 19th century, a dead hunter was often identified by the monogram on his gun.
      Visual contrast of hunting weapons with combat or “soldier” weapons.
      The plot also carried a distinctive meaning for servants, especially for illiterate ones - if they were asked to bring a gun for a pheasant, then the servant understood that the heavy gun with drawings of elephants should be left in the closet. (I’ll note that Hugh Hefner ordered the “pornographic” gun as a gift to Bill Clinton, look for photos of it yourself, they’ll get banned for them)
  12. +3
    6 November 2023 22: 02
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, can you give a link to this method of gilding steel: "Indeed, for this purpose, the blacksmith method or “gilding through fire” was used for a long time, when iron products were coated with a paste of gold dissolved in mercury, and then heated over a fire. The mercury evaporated (and the master, no matter how hard he tried, had to breathe with these vapors), and the gold was combined with the iron base. "
    A paste of gold with dissolved mercury is an amalgam; a number of metals, including gold, dissolve in mercury. In fire gilding, copper was most often used as a base for applying gold plating. The reason is that copper also dissolves in mercury, so after evaporation of mercury, not only adhesion of the layers is achieved, but also penetration of gold into the surface layer of copper. In the case of an iron-mercury pair, amalgam is not formed; normal adhesion cannot be achieved when gold amalgam evaporates on the iron surface. Perhaps the operations to form a copper sublayer on the surface of the iron were missed? This technology is used for galvanic gilding or silvering of iron, otherwise the coating film will fall off, the characteristics of the metal are too different. By the way, electroplated gold in the coating turns out to be loose and fragile - pure gold is soft. Only recently have they learned to make abrasion-resistant galvanic coatings from gold.
    1. +1
      8 November 2023 08: 00
      I can’t tell you anything that you don’t already know. There is gilded armor. It is clear that they gilded it using the “hot method”, but who knows how?
    2. 0
      9 November 2023 19: 53
      Perhaps the operations to form a copper sublayer on the surface of the iron were missed?

      Absolutely correct. Missed.
    3. 0
      9 November 2023 19: 53
      Perhaps the operations to form a copper sublayer on the surface of the iron were missed?

      Yes, missed.
  13. +2
    5 December 2023 04: 03
    Q7 greetings from Argentina
    I was given a Lefaucheux revolver from about 1870. 9 mm. As far as I understand, this revolver was made for the post office of Siberia, for postmen.