Let's return to 2018. On the issue of river flotillas or divisions in the Russian Navy

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Let's return to 2018. On the issue of river flotillas or divisions in the Russian Navy

Sometimes a topic that needs to be discussed appears suddenly, seemingly out of nowhere. It’s just that someone somewhere, perhaps even by accident, said something, voiced a question about which we, VO, once already wrote, discussed, argued, spoke out for and against. Five (!) years passed and suddenly...

The year 2018 is already far away. Discussion about the need for river flotillas! Experienced readers, I think, remember her. They also remember how the issue was simply “not noticed” “at the top”, in the Ministry of Defense, in the leadership of the Navy and other bodies on which the country’s defense capability depends.



It’s clear, money for the army and fleet there's never enough. And in any state. And the scale of the problem is too small for such a large country as ours. A river is not a sea; you cannot get to Africa or even to any island by river. And this boat costs a penny. Not a cruiser, not an aircraft carrier. A simple “railway” based boat...

Even what is already happening today in the Kherson direction of the Northern Military District, for a long time did not raise the issue of river flotillas. Many still believe that the AFU DRGs are transported to the left bank in rubber boats, and are sincerely surprised by the fact that our fighters do not destroy this gang on boats and rafts right on the water.

For those who are surprised, I will tell you a “terrible secret.” The reservoir is no more! There is a river bed 500 meters wide or more. And the “boats and rafts” used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces are made in the USA and reach speeds of up to 42–45 knots... For example, 34-foot (10,36 meters) aluminum small patrol boats of the Sea Ark Dauntless type (“Neustrashimy”) and 35-foot (10,6 meters) small river boats of the SURC (Small Unit Riverine Craft) type.

For arithmetic lovers, I’ll ask a simple question that will answer the previous one, about why we don’t drown them right in the middle of the Dnieper, like we once did those birds that Gogol wrote about. These same boats “arrive” quite quickly. And not to the middle, but straight to the shore or island...

By the way, these “birds” have very serious “claws” and “beaks” in the form of heavy machine guns...

Essential like air...


I'll start with a banality.

Modern warfare is different. On the ground, in the air, on the water... Different in terms of armament, in tactics and strategy for maintaining a database, in terms of the goals and objectives of operations. Only one thing remains unchanged. The army must win. Obliged to destroy the enemy by any means, using any forces and means.

Hence the change in the tasks of commanders and staffs: it is now difficult to fight “according to the manual”. The enemy knows our combat manuals as well as we do. To win, you need to pose unexpected challenges to your opponent. This has already been demonstrated by many of our units and formations.

How many times have we been attacked by sea drones? A lot of! And the worst thing is that it’s effective. We are making enormous efforts to protect Crimean ports and ships. We are defending ourselves. But we don't attack. I'm not talking about bombings. Talk about the sea.

A marine drone is, first and foremost, a high-speed boat. Who should fight enemy boats? Cruisers, frigates, submarines or other ships?

No, well-armed speedboats must fight drones! Modern reconnaissance means make it possible to detect the enemy far enough away. And then it’s a matter of technology. Interception and destruction...

Is this something new in naval affairs? Well, don't make me laugh. The American boats I have already mentioned. Patrol boats of the Mark VI type, which have been produced since 2014. A high-speed (up to 45 knots), highly maneuverable boat, capable of secretly transporting 8 or even more paratroopers. But what’s more important for us, to solve the problem of fighting sea drones, is weapons.

Those boats that were delivered to Ukraine are equipped with two 30-mm Mk 44 Bushmaster II automatic cannons and 6 (!) M2 machine guns with a caliber of 12,7 mm. This is with a crew of 8 people!

By the way, the Americans are also talking about the possibility of replacing weapons with more powerful ones without any problems. Like six-barreled 7,62 mm M134 machine guns or 40 mm Mk 19 automatic grenade launchers.

So how is it? If such a boat catches up or encounters a drone at sea, is there a chance that the drone will continue to carry out its combat mission? Or this: if several of these boats land troops on some island on the Dnieper, while supporting the paratroopers with fire, what is the chance of breaking through the coastal defense of the island? Can you imagine the density of fire that such boats will provide?

Where are our boats? Where are our divisions of our patrol boats? Where are the landing craft for the Marine assault units? Where are the boats capable of driving Ukrainian boats into the coastal reeds on the Dnieper?

The boats deservedly became famous during the Great Patriotic War...

In September 2019, VO published a good article about torpedo boats during World War II in the USSR. Already in 1933, the Soviet Union began producing “small ships” - G-5 torpedo boats. Speed ​​(without weapons) up to 65 (!) knots. These boats have a combat record of sending quite a lot of serious enemy ships to the bottom.

By the way, in addition to torpedoes, the boat had decent “teeth” from two DShK machine guns...

So the ice has broken or...


Reportedly news agencies, a few days ago, Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev announced at a meeting on the formation of the Armed Forces about the creation of a new association - a new independent flotilla within the Navy.

It is clear that such an “information leak” was not accidental. Dmitry Anatolyevich is an experienced politician, and it’s hard to believe that he would say something “for the sake of words.” Therefore, apart from the statement about the creation of the flotilla, there is no information. Medvedev did not name the location of the flotilla, nor the tasks it will perform, nor the composition of the flotilla.

Let's try to connect the facts that we know from open sources.

Not many people know that the Navy is strengthening its Marine Corps units. There have never been marine divisions in the Navy. Brigades - yes, but there were no divisions. And now the decision has been made. Within a year, divisions must be created from brigades!

Currently, the Russian Federation knows about five brigades of marines. Two brigades are in the Pacific Ocean, one in the North, one in the Baltic and one in Sevastopol. Well, the regiment is in Kaspiysk. Although I would classify the Guards (congratulations again) coastal defense brigade in Sevastopol as marines. This is critically low!

Above, I already wrote about the difference between modern war and all previous ones. Although, as far as the Marine Corps or Airborne Forces are concerned, these changes occurred quite a long time ago. Even during the Chechen campaign. Alas, neither air nor sea landings have been engaged in large air or sea landings for a long time. Now these are rather the most prepared assault units and formations.

And this is where the problem of means of delivering Marines to the sites of operations arises. In the brigade, this applies to both the Marines and the DSB, such funds are not provided. The fleet is using its capabilities. Their landing ships.

I think the formation of MP divisions will be adjusted, and the composition of such formations will be similar to airborne ones. Division commanders will receive units or units of landing boats under their command. Or, in order to improve the repair base and supply, the boats will be under a single command, but in matters of conducting landing operations they will come under the command of the division commanders.

According to my information, the issue of creating river flotillas or divisions is currently being studied in the Russian Defense Ministry. According to rumors, the first such division has already been created and has begun to operate in the Northern Military District zone. Moreover, river is the conventional name of the unit. The division can work not only on rivers, but also on lakes, reservoirs and even in the coastal sea zone.

I’m not sure, but I think a final decision on these divisions has not yet been made. Messages from the NWO area must be carefully monitored. The experiment is carried out to find out the real effectiveness of the new unit.

Instead of conclusions


I understand that readers will be interested in learning about the composition, weapons, and equipment that river flotillas or divisions may use. Alas, this is not my diocese. We have specialists who, if necessary, can tell you much more about this than I can. So I didn’t touch on these issues here.

But the fact that they finally began to analyze, disassemble and try to implement the experience of the Northern Military District is good. This is worth talking and writing about. The war poses more and more new questions almost every day. And we need to look for answers to them.

What I wrote about is so far just conclusions from the facts that are known today. This is an analysis, not an informational report. And the material should be perceived precisely as an analysis of the situation. While there is no official information from the Russian Defense Ministry, it is premature to talk about the creation of flotillas or divisions. But the fact that they are necessary is a must.

I have written many times that the army is a very complex structure due to its diversity and heterogeneity of tasks performed. And an army participating in hostilities is doubly complex. What is obvious to someone looking from the couch is seen completely differently to someone sitting in a trench. And what a fighter sees at the LBS does not always coincide with what the commander sees from the dugout or the general from headquarters.

But this is so, thoughts about some readers...
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  1. +10
    4 November 2023 04: 24
    First we need to look for a solution to combat FPV drones...otherwise the river flotilla will quickly find itself at the bottom.
    Modern drones with RPG grenades can fly completely unnoticed into the wheelhouse of a boat or the captain’s cabin through a porthole, what and what to do with it.
    1. -2
      4 November 2023 05: 00
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      First we need to look for a solution to combat FPV drones...otherwise the river flotilla will quickly find itself at the bottom.
      Modern drones with RPG grenades can fly completely unnoticed into the wheelhouse of a boat or the captain’s cabin through a porthole, and what to do about it.

      What the fuck are they doing with this? Somehow we don’t see any significant losses in their boats from our FPV drones...
      1. +4
        4 November 2023 05: 05
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        What the fuck are they doing with this? Somehow we don’t see any significant losses in their boats from our FPV drones.

        Our FPV drone operators are sinking boats of the Ukrainian Armed Forces special forces...recently there was a message that our operator was killed after destroying about a hundred boats...as for the use of river boats of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, I don’t yet have statistics on their use...there are none...I can’t even comment on this .
        1. +17
          4 November 2023 07: 47
          The author of the article did not touch upon the issue of basing these boats. But it would be interesting to understand where the Ukrainian Armed Forces are hiding their boats near Kherson, that we cannot track and cover these garages or boathouses with anything from our shore. After all, they are probably not left afloat near the shore, but every time they are pulled out with winches and taken somewhere far away. And at this moment the boats become most vulnerable, along with those who launch or lift them out of the water. And this procedure can be done with a boat not anywhere on the coast, but in certain places, which makes it easier to target on the ground.
          1. +6
            4 November 2023 08: 39
            Near Kherson there are a lot of bays, creeks, river mouths - you can hide anything there.
            1. +4
              4 November 2023 15: 43
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Near Kherson there are a lot of bays, creeks, river mouths - you can hide anything there.

              You can see everything from above, especially through a thermal imager.
              But perhaps they make canopies from camouflage nets in floodplains.
            2. -2
              4 November 2023 17: 05
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Near Kherson there are a lot of bays, creeks, river mouths - you can hide anything there.

              Yes, it looks like these boats of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are not hidden on the banks of the Dnieper, but they go up the river. Ingulets and the Ingulka River flowing into the Dnieper just above the railway bridge.
              It looks like we launched the APU slightly onto the left bank, so much so that now we can’t reset it back to the village. Krynki. I read that even the “Sunlight” failed to burn them out in this village. I hope we’ll bring in more equipment and bury everyone there. It is clear that setting up a bridgehead there with the transfer of equipment across the Dnieper is an impossible task for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Are we really deliberately letting them leak out a little, for the convenience of destruction?
              1. +3
                4 November 2023 18: 06
                In Kherson itself there is the Koshevaya River, lake. Steblievskoye and a bunch of other backwaters. And lower in the delta, there the devil will break his leg. So only a local will find the way.
        2. 0
          12 November 2023 22: 16
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
          What the fuck are they doing with this? Somehow we don’t see any significant losses in their boats from our FPV drones.

          Our FPV drone operators are sinking boats of the Ukrainian Armed Forces special forces...recently there was a message that our operator was killed after destroying about a hundred boats...as for the use of river boats of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, I don’t yet have statistics on their use...there are none...I can’t even comment on this .

          If one cameraman destroyed 100 boats, then somewhere there must be 100 videos of these boats being destroyed.
      2. +1
        4 November 2023 09: 45
        They - these boats are used in the same way as the two minesweepers transferred by Great Britain. They do not participate in the database.
    2. +3
      4 November 2023 09: 16
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      First we need to look for a solution to combat FPV drones..

      Those that are available have already been found - on-board electronic warfare systems. They jam the communications and control of these drones, sharply reducing their final pointing accuracy.
    3. -1
      4 November 2023 11: 34
      I agree with the author. The presence of the Azov flotilla would have significantly helped at the beginning of the Northern Military District in the LDPR.
      The Dnieper flotilla was needed the day before yesterday. Because the Dnieper is practically under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
      At one time they were ironic about "Gyurza", but in vain.
      I'll add just one point.
      TODAY the flotilla needs surface and underwater drones, guided torpedoes, and, accordingly, combat swimmers.
  2. +5
    4 November 2023 05: 36
    Overturbation in the river sector is a big brake on the development of the military river fleet. When the civilian river fleet develops, much can be taken from it.
  3. +12
    4 November 2023 06: 54
    the proposed concept of river flotillas is from the times of the Second World War... ok.. and if during the Second World War each small group could have had a weapon (ATGM, RPG) and drones, how long would these boats have survived? If it is specifically for landing, then it is much more profitable to simply have a hundred large inflatable boats - but we won’t call them a flotilla, right? (and the commander of the flotilla, by the way, should be a rear admiral)..
  4. +9
    4 November 2023 06: 55
    In fact, there are regular reports that another Ukrainian Armed Forces landing force is being drowned.

    Using boats to intercept them on the river is not a good idea. Launching your boats and sending them to intercept them is not a matter of one minute, so while they are being prepared, the enemy will already land. If you put them on duty in advance, they will come under enemy fire and most likely will be destroyed.

    But creating a flotilla to protect your naval bases may already work.
    1. +2
      4 November 2023 15: 57
      Quote: Dart2027
      But creating a flotilla to protect your naval bases may already work.

      Small high-speed boats to intercept maritime attack drones? And from what distance, and on the wave, can you spot such a drone, semi-submersible to a high-speed dash? And how, with what and from what distance can you kill him with a machine gun? When your boat is jumping on the waves, you are moving, the target is moving, and you can’t get too close so as not to suffer from the explosion of the drone’s warhead... So for protecting the water area of ​​the naval base, ports and coastal infrastructure, coast guard boats and ships with machine-gun and cannon weapons and PATROL HELICOPTERS with machine guns on the sides.

      It is best to cross water obstacles on high-speed inflatable boats, and our armored vehicles are already waterfowl. After a powerful artillery barrage and suppression of artillery and control channels of enemy FPV drones.
      1. 0
        5 November 2023 22: 45
        Quote: bayard
        And from what distance, and on the wave, can you spot such a drone, semi-submersible to a high-speed jerk? And how, with what and from what distance can you kill him with a machine gun?

        I don’t know to what extent this is real, that’s why I wrote
        Quote: Dart2027
        might work
        Maybe there are suitable weapons and detection means, maybe not, but using them on the river is definitely not an option.
  5. +12
    4 November 2023 07: 04
    We have boats for marines. This is a copied Swedish SV90 under license. It is also used at naval parades in St. Petersburg; they are painted white. I don't know the total number. Length 15 meters, speed 45 knots, crew of 3 people, can carry a platoon of Marines. Well armed, can be used against naval drones and combat swimmers. Its description is on the VO website. soldier
    1. +5
      4 November 2023 07: 33
      Quote: V.
      This is a copied Swedish SV90 under license. It is also used at naval parades in St. Petersburg; they are painted white. I don't know the total number. Length 15 meters, speed 45 knots, crew of 3 people, can carry a platoon of Marines. Well armed, can be used against naval drones and combat swimmers.

      Are you talking about Raptor?
      1. +6
        4 November 2023 08: 10
        30 vis. hi We have some problem with the Raptors and BK-16, the first has an American diesel, the second an Italian. The private Pella shipyard has shrunk to one workshop. All its main assets were bought by the fishing company Norrebo - for the production of trawlers. Only Rybinsk with its BK16 project remained. The BK 16 and Raptor series have been completed with the exhaustion of propulsion system reserves. And it seems to me that in terms of armament and architecture, these two projects are not very suitable for the Dnieper delta, the first is where to base them, the second is the weapon and its location is not optimal for “squadron battles” with American boats The Armed Forces of Ukraine use these boats - they used them in the Black Sea with 50/50 success. I don’t think it’s difficult to make an assault boat by putting maximum weapons on it - but we need it until we don’t have a place to base it? The Armed Forces of Ukraine have a dime a dozen of these places Izmail to Nikolaev. Why should I explain to a resident of Crimea - you know perfectly well what the western coast of the peninsula represents. drinks
        1. +3
          4 November 2023 16: 11
          Quote: tralflot1832
          The Armed Forces of Ukraine have a dime a dozen of these places from Izmail to Nikolaev. But what should I explain to a resident of Crimea - you know perfectly well what the western coast of the peninsula represents.

          That's why I was surprised. Where can I drive the Raptor? Sea boat. They need light, maneuverable, roomy, fast boats. Inexpensive and plentiful.
  6. +14
    4 November 2023 08: 03
    Dmitry Anatolyevich - experienced politician laughing laughing Then you can not read laughing
    1. +12
      4 November 2023 09: 15
      Quote: KrolikZanuda
      Dmitry Anatolyevich - experienced politician laughing laughing Then you can not read laughing

      They also forgot that he doesn’t throw out “a catchphrase”, from this expression I realized that the author Staver, only he speaks so breathily about the current “authorities”.
      1. +7
        4 November 2023 13: 55
        Hands off Dmitry Anatolyevich - Lord of Winter Time. stop
    2. +2
      4 November 2023 17: 54
      Dmitry Anatolyevich is an excellent head of the department. And this is his ceiling. Everything else is “from the evil one”
      1. +3
        5 November 2023 18: 34
        Quote: Amateur
        excellent department head

        Once upon a time there lived three little pigs: Nif-nif, Nuf-nuf and Zav-Kaf.
  7. +21
    4 November 2023 08: 05
    Take advice from a man who once served in the USSR Navy. Russia and Belarus do not need river flotillas as part of the Navy. They need to reorganize the system of using ships and vessels on sea and fresh water, coupled with a reorganization of the structure of the Armed Forces. The Navy needs to retain ships and vessels that provide strategic and operational-tactical defense of adjacent sea areas, standby for sea-based nuclear forces, display the flag in the World Ocean, transport forces and equipment to support operations abroad, and corresponding support vessels. Ships and vessels operating in the coastal zone should be built according to the "river-sea" scheme in order to be able to operate not only near the coast, but also at the mouths of large and medium-sized rivers, inland seas (Caspian, Azov, Kamchatka, Sakhalin and Amur regions) , on large lakes (Ladoga, Baikal, etc.). These assets must be combined with missile and artillery coastal batteries and border troops ships in the Coastal Defense Forces, formed according to Navy standards. In wartime, they will be subordinate to the Navy and carry out tasks for the defense of the coast and fleet bases, as well as ensure the landing of marines on the enemy’s flank and rear. In peacetime, this would be the second echelon of the maritime border service, when the ships of the border guards guarded the maritime border and the coastal defense directly on the shore. There is no need to add here small ships, boats and boats, the main purpose of which is to help the Ground Forces cross inland rivers and small lakes, as well as destroy enemy bridgeheads. They must be formed as part of the Engineering Units of the Ground Forces. Here are my ideas in a nutshell.
  8. +6
    4 November 2023 08: 06
    There have never been marine divisions in the Navy. Brigades - yes, but there were no divisions.


    Dear Author, you should read at least a little about MP before writing nonsense!

    The formation of the 55th Marine Division of the Pacific Fleet was fully completed on December 1, 1968.

    On December 1, 2009, the 55th Marine Division of the Pacific Fleet was reorganized into a separate marine brigade.
    1. +1
      4 November 2023 19: 09
      Young guy, he stuck the sucker right in the eye
  9. -5
    4 November 2023 08: 30
    Medvedev did not name the location of the flotilla, nor the tasks it will perform, nor the composition of the flotilla.

    In Russia, not one, but five previously disbanded flotillas need to be recreated:
    -Azov
    -Amurskaya
    - Dnieper
    - Ladoga
    - Volzhskaya

    In the composition:
    -10-12 Raptors
    -10-12 landing boats Serna
    - MP regiment.
    1. +2
      4 November 2023 08: 54
      Storm. hi I am for flotillas, but as if everything is fine with us in winter, the water freezes for some reason. The White Sea flotilla, which we really need, was disbanded in 1954 and ice was probably the first reason.
      1. +3
        4 November 2023 09: 24
        ice was probably the first reason

        Two or three flights of Mi-8 AMTSH easily solve the problem of winter mobility!
        Hovercrafts have long been invented that can glide on water, snow and ice without any problems.
        And standard infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers of the Marine Corps move easily on ice...
    2. 0
      4 November 2023 16: 15
      Quote: assault
      re-create:
      -Azov
      -Amurskaya
      - Dnieper
      - Ladoga
      - Volzhskaya

      There was also the Danube Flotilla. In the Danube Delta, it was based in Izmail. You may have to recreate it.
    3. +1
      6 November 2023 00: 31
      Why the Volga Flotilla? Not 42nd after all
      1. -1
        12 November 2023 16: 41
        If everything continues to develop as it is now, it will soon be needed.
    4. +1
      12 November 2023 22: 26
      Quote: assault
      Medvedev did not name the location of the flotilla, nor the tasks it will perform, nor the composition of the flotilla.

      In Russia, not one, but five previously disbanded flotillas need to be recreated:
      -Azov
      -Amurskaya
      - Dnieper
      - Ladoga
      - Volzhskaya

      In the composition:
      -10-12 Raptors
      -10-12 landing boats Serna
      - MP regiment.

      Do you even understand what you're talking about?
      There were 16 (sixteen) Serna boats in the Russian Federation before the Northern Military District, and 18 (eighteen) Raptors. You propose out of nowhere to take another 50-60 of these boats. And we’re not even talking about the price of 2 million dollars for the Raptor, but the fact that production capacity is now designed for about 1-2 boats per year and it’s obviously not possible to increase them quickly.
      1. -1
        13 November 2023 13: 08
        Well, why are you boring: five flotillas are being created, five new rear admiral positions are being introduced, but how many boats will there be in each, and whether there will be any at all - who cares?
  10. Eug
    +5
    4 November 2023 08: 42
    To destroy an enemy boat you need to see it first. Therefore, decide on the locations (loading and unloading), there should not be many of them on the right steep bank of the Dnieper, and periodically “spoil” them, for example, remotely mine them. And hang kamikaze drones over the water area. What I see as a problem is that it is easier for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to observe the low left bank and cover targets on it than the steep right bank. But what can you do, you win somewhere (I’m talking about the strategic passivity of the RF Armed Forces), and lose somewhere... (it’s clear that the database is not a game at all, but the terminology seems to be generally accepted).
  11. +7
    4 November 2023 09: 14
    Who should fight enemy boats? Cruisers, frigates, submarines or other ships?
    HELICOPTERS and ship-based UAVs
  12. +7
    4 November 2023 09: 28
    "The Navy has never had marine divisions." You have studied the topic poorly - from December 1, 1968 - December 1, 2009, the 55th MP Division existed at the Pacific Fleet. After its reduction, the 155th Separate Marine Brigade became its successor.
    1. +1
      4 November 2023 19: 12
      young man, such authors who do not know the history of the Armed Forces should be driven away from this resource, the Marine Corps must take revenge on him for forgetting 55DMP
  13. +7
    4 November 2023 11: 01
    River flotilla... And with whom will they fight in PEACETIME? We remind you that our river borders are the Amur with the Chinese mainly. In Europe - only land ones, at least a small river.
    Further. Why do we need boats? The author writes for the protection of the naval base. It’s great, there are already units dedicated to this. Among the boats, the same “Rook”, it is mass-produced.
    As part of the Marines? Yes, they are now used as elite assault infantry, but that is not their main purpose. And in order to capture, expand, and hold a bridgehead on which the “land forces” will land. Why do they need boats? Landing ships will take them to the landing point.
    Yes, now we have a war on the Dnieper. The war ends sooner or later, this flotilla will have to be disbanded. Dear author, since you have already taken up this issue, trace the path of river flotillas during the Great War. Where they fought, how they were formed and renamed.
    As for the amers, they have a wealth of experience in river battles dating back to Vietnam, and indeed interests all over the world. They use special expedition vessels as a base for boats, which we do not have.
    1. 0
      4 November 2023 16: 24
      What kind of reasoning is there about where to put the boats? Transport for storage on trailers and railway platforms.
    2. 0
      5 November 2023 03: 26
      Quote: Not the fighter
      River flotilla... And with whom will they fight in PEACETIME? We remind you that our river borders are the Amur with the Chinese mainly. In Europe - only land ones, at least a small river.

      Well, if someday in the future we liberate Odessa, then a similar fleet may be useful on the Dniester and Danube, but this is in a very optimistic future.
  14. +6
    4 November 2023 11: 35
    There have never been marine divisions in the Navy. Brigades - yes, but there were no divisions.

    As always, I heard a ringing, but I don’t know if it’s already there. The author has a wish - if you have already decided to write about MP, then carefully study the topic.
    The author, as I understand it, has not heard of 55 DMP in Vladivostok?
  15. 0
    4 November 2023 14: 40
    As I see it, the mass construction should have a similar appearance. It will be too expensive to keep afloat.
  16. +4
    4 November 2023 14: 52
    There have never been marine divisions in the Navy.

    I thought it was Mitrofanovism. However, no - staverism. In principle - the same Mitrofanism, only richly flavored with loyal aspirations.
    Patrol boats of the Mark VI type, which have been produced since 2014. A high-speed (up to 45 knots), highly maneuverable boat, capable of secretly transporting 8 or even more paratroopers. But what’s more important for us, to solve the problem of fighting sea drones, is weapons.

    Those boats that were delivered to Ukraine are equipped with two 30-mm Mk 44 Bushmaster II automatic cannons and 6 (!) M2 machine guns with a caliber of 12,7 mm. This is with a crew of 8 people!

    Firstly, nothing has been delivered anywhere yet, and secondly, no one really knows what weapons the boats will carry for Ukraine.
    This is with a crew of 8 people!

    The boat's crew is 10 people. And eight paratroopers.
  17. +5
    4 November 2023 15: 53
    The boats are supplied by the Americans. Their military boat building is based on the most powerful civilian industry. There were so many things they thought up and did that we never dreamed of. Those boats that transfer soldiers across the Dnieper should not be large, fast, or armed with guns. And the Dnieper in that place is just nonsense, not a river. At a speed of 50 km per hour, ours will not have time to reach the machine guns before he crosses the river.
    And the G-5s were junk. And there is no need to make up anything about their exploits. How many people died on them...
  18. +1
    4 November 2023 16: 05
    Inertia of thinking is a terrible force. We have been fighting for more than a year and a half, and in the heads of the big bosses there is still a glimmer of hope that maybe it will dissipate, maybe we’ll somehow stir up an agreement, and the good old days of fighting exclusively against the notorious “international terrorism” will return. When the “almighty” BTG was elevated to an absolute, and the artillery needed to have a couple of divisions for the entire army. And why then do we need river flotillas and speedboats?
  19. -2
    4 November 2023 17: 22
    Small river-sea class military boats are a vital necessity, including an ice-reinforced version for the Northern Sea Routes.
  20. +3
    4 November 2023 17: 50
    The times of Ilya Muromets, who challenged the filthy Idolishche to a duel in order to compete with uh... heroic swords, are long gone. Therefore, the thesis about the struggle between like and like does not stand up to criticism. A “cheap drone” burns a multimillion-dollar tank “at once.”
    Now to the point. Putting something like this against a “45-knot boat” is from the “obvious-incredible” section. The combat helicopter reaches speeds of at least three times and has supersonic guided anti-tank missiles with a range of 8 km, which is 4 times the range of machine guns and small-caliber guns. When such a helicopter is based 4-5 km from the coast in operational duty mode, it will not give the boats a single chance. The author’s statements about the “almost instantaneous crossing of the 450-meter Dnieper” do not stand up to the slightest mathematical calculation.
    1.boats must be based somewhere
    2.boats need time to sail from their home base to the landing site.
    3. the boat cannot instantly accelerate and stop instantly on the other side. “For arithmetic lovers, I’ll ask a simple question, which will answer the previous one, about why we don’t drown them right in the middle of the Dnieper, like once those birds that Gogol wrote about. These same boats “fly” quite quickly. And not to the middle, but straight to the shore or island..." And the time for landing troops from a boat to the shore is also not milliseconds.
    So there is time to rise to a height of 15-20 meters at a distance of 4-5 km from the river (i.e. outside the boat air defense zone) and shoot them with supersonic anti-tank missiles.
    In the same way, helicopters can shoot at unmanned boats at sea.
    Well, why this doesn’t happen is not a question of technology, but a question of strategy and competence.
  21. +2
    4 November 2023 20: 58
    Somehow the author over-praised the G-5 boats.
    Rather, they did not live up to expectations.
    https://dzen.ru/a/YQXACHWsKwhDtSI5
  22. -2
    4 November 2023 23: 21
    They also forgot the Sakhalin flotilla, it also needs to be recreated, to correct the stupidity of Serdyukov’s reforms (although he is just a diligent implementer). It was necessary to think of reassigning the fleets to military districts!!! And most importantly, we need to treat Russia as a great maritime power and diligently develop and improve the Navy. And restore an independent Navy Ministry along with the Ministry of Defense.
    1. +1
      5 November 2023 16: 40
      And what does Serdyukov have to do with the 90th Sakhalin Flotilla, which was liquidated in the first half?
  23. +1
    4 November 2023 23: 34
    How many times have we been attacked by sea drones? A lot of! And the worst thing is that it’s effective.

    Just the opposite
  24. 0
    5 November 2023 03: 19
    Boats may pose a threat on the river, but when landing troops on the shore, even the fastest boat becomes an easy target.
  25. +1
    5 November 2023 06: 19
    How were there no marine divisions?! And the 55th?
  26. +3
    5 November 2023 11: 57
    The 55th Marine Division of the USSR Navy looks at the author with surprise. All other text in the trash
  27. -1
    6 November 2023 11: 15
    Finally, there was a person who wrote that it was necessary, first of all, to gain river dominance on the Dnieper River before riveting models of the aircraft carrier Manatee.
  28. 0
    7 November 2023 14: 59
    My deep couch opinion.
    The article is superficial and frivolous.

    According to the Marine Corps.
    I believe that the Marine Corps needs to be equalized in status with the Airborne Forces.
    In the Russian Navy, the Marine Corps will be replaced by Coastal Troops (motorized infantry for guarding and defending bases)
    To be staffed only by contract workers. Increase the number to: Eastern Military District - 2 divisions, Northern Military District - 2 divisions, Southern Military District - 1 division and regiment, Western Military District - 1 division. Each division has a separate battalion/company of special forces (combat swimmers).

    By flotilla.
    There is a Caspian one and that’s okay.
    It is necessary to create only the Ladoga and Azov ones, where each should contain: several basic minesweepers, patrol boats, and most importantly, 6 Buyans in each. The idea is that these Buyans could move along internal rivers to enhance the missile power of the Fleets.
    No other river fleets are needed.
    Fight enemy boats using UAVs. Burn out enemy landing forces with TOS. If it doesn’t burn out, it means there are few TOCs per kilometer of front.
  29. 0
    29 January 2024 18: 01
    We also need to think about mines, so in addition to planing boats, we need hovercraft and small “Caspian monsters” that are not afraid of ordinary mines. Although this direction is also developing, apparently “bouncing” mines will appear not only on the ground. But it’s not just about mines, but also about speed.
  30. 0
    14 February 2024 16: 53
    First, we need to put in prison all the heads of the Navy over the past 30 years, as well as their deputies and consultants. All participants of different commissions. Deprive everyone of absolutely pensions, titles, regalia, real estate and other goodies. Heirs - to disinherit all these "figures". This is where we need to start. At the same time, it is necessary to recruit capable people who are not related by family or friendly relations with repressed figures. That's when something will begin to change.