The Israeli Apache is a completely different matter

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The Israeli Apache is a completely different matter

When some piece of equipment serves for a long or very long time (something like the T-72, V-52 or Tu-95), it doesn’t exactly cause concern; rather, it becomes a reason for thinking about “isn’t it time to retire it?” a well-deserved pension” and stuff like that. But then another fire started and it became clear that no, it was not too early. Later - yes, perhaps, but for now he is needed here and now.

And there are such long-serving veterans for whom people whose duties would include developing new types of weapons came up with a bunch of modernization gizmos that allowed the veterans to stay afloat and be more or less relevant.



AN-64 “Apache”…



It began service back in 1984, was manufactured in more than 2400 copies and is the most common combat helicopter in the world. Next year he will celebrate his fortieth birthday, and this, in principle, is an indicator of his capabilities.

It is in service with 16 armies around the world. In terms of quantity, it is ahead of our Mi-24, which, although it was produced in large quantities, by 2021 fewer Crocodiles have survived than Apaches.

The Israeli Army is among those who not only have the AN-64 in service, but actively operate them. That is, they do not hit training targets during maneuvers, but work against a real enemy.

The Israelis followed their own development path and modernized their attack helicopters on their own. What is the strength of Israeli engineers? That's right, in radio electronics. And the fact that Israeli engineers have made their army one of the most technologically advanced armies on the planet is an indisputable fact. And even though technology is not always the key to victory, work in Israel has been carried out, is being carried out and will continue to be carried out.

Let's figure out what the Israeli engineers did with the Apache that still leaves this attack helicopter on the first strike line?

In general, the Israelis did not skimp on modifications for their equipment, including helicopters. But the package that they were able to stuff into the Apache is a masterpiece in its own way.

Photographs of Israeli Air Force AH-64 attack helicopters in Gaza show some carrying a conspicuous capsule under their bellies.


The container, which can be seen mounted just behind the 30mm cannon, contains an additional avionics package, and it is this that contains the secret that helps the Israeli Apaches remain at the top, despite the frankly advanced age of many of them.


It would seem like something like this: a ventral container with equipment. In general, its existence and installation as part of the next modernization has been known since 2013. As part of the modernization, the container was first installed on helicopters of the first series, AN-64A “Peten”, which have been plowing in the Israeli Air Force since 1990.


Next came the turn of the AN-64D “Sarat” and “Serpent” according to the Israeli classification. "Serpent" is generally the equivalent of the "Apache Longbow", which began entering service in 2005, naturally, with converted avionics.

In the AN-64D “Serpent” model, which we will take as a sample for consideration, in addition to the AN/APG-78 Longbow over-the-hub mast radar, the differences from the D model consist of a large share of avionics, weapons and Israeli-made self-defense equipment, which is not available on the standard Apache.

So what is there that is interesting for those who are against the Israeli “Apache”?


Rafael voice and data communications complex (RAVNET 300) and Elta 1891 satellite communications with protruding convex antennas located on the outer parts of the pylons.

Elbit HELICOM mission management system, which provides real-time visibility of the battlefield.

The Elisra Seraph self-defense complex, which includes the SPS-65 missile attack warning system, the SPJ-40 radar jammer and the Elbit Rokar active countermeasures system, which shoots thermal traps, jammers and decoys.

Why such a solution - a container?


It's simple. A helicopter does not have the same aerodynamic requirements as, say, an airplane. And by the time modernization work began, there was simply no free space left in the AH-64 airframe. It housed so many avionics, fuel and ammunition, plus a crew of two, with life support and rescue equipment, that the Solomon decision was made to add a new set of electronics to the outer hull.

It is also worth noting that the cheek fairings on the AH-64A are significantly smaller than on the AH-64D, which further limits the possibilities for internal placement of avionics and, thus, confirms the correctness of the solution to the option with a ventral container.


Night view of an AH-64A with a gray painted avionics container mounted under the fuselage

As a result, the Israeli Air Force completely modernized its AH-64A fleet (12 units) to the AH-64D standard. But this was a complex and expensive process that involved sending the helicopters back to the United States for modification, and a modular solution represented a much more cost-effective way to expand the attack helicopter's capabilities.

Having a larger fleet of attack helicopters is a prerequisite for the IDF's combat missions, and helicopters have played a very significant role in all conflicts in which the IDF has been involved.

Today, the Israeli Air Force relies on a squadron of AH-64As and AH-64Ds, both based at Ramon Air Base in the Negev Desert. The 113th Hornet Squadron flies the AH-64D and the 190th Magic Touch Squadron flies the AH-64A.


In addition to locally produced avionics and a self-defense suite, these helicopters carry Israeli-made weapons, including the Spike NLOS missile, which is planned for use on the US Army's Apaches. Known in Israeli weapons lists as the Tammuz, this electro-optically guided weapon, which can be considered a loitering munition, has a range of about 20 kilometers.

Israeli AH-64s are often armed with both the AGM-114 Hellfire and the Spike NLOS, with the Israeli-made missile serving as a complementary weapon to complement the capabilities of the US-supplied Hellfires. In particular, “Spike” NLOS boasts a guidance system with two operating modes. One of them allows him to simply hit stationary targets at given coordinates, another mode in which the operator can adjust the final phase of the missile's flight using a video stream transmitted from an infrared camera in the nose of the missile. A cylindrical line-of-sight module that can be attached to the Apache's wings (see below) is used to control the Spike two-way.


This AH-64D carries one Spike missile on the starboard suspension mount. The line-of-sight antenna for Spike is mounted on the left side.


Gunsmiths load a Hellfire missile onto an Israeli AH-64. Convex satellite antennas at the top of the wing stub and a drum-shaped line-of-sight antenna at the tip of the wing are used to guide the Spike missile.

All of these additional systems certainly add weight, which will impact the AH-64's performance, but it's not obvious. It is clear that Israel views this as a normal trade-off given what it gains in enhanced combat capabilities.

Israeli AH-64s, judging by IDF reports, were also used to combat drones, with rotorcraft's flexibility in terms of deployment and their low speed making them suitable for targeting certain categories of drones. In this case, Hellfire missiles can be used to combat UAVs, although this is not exactly the intended purpose of these missiles. But here the result is more important, and the result is that Israeli Air Force helicopters are quite successful in shooting down drones.


Iranian drone downed insignia on the nose of an AH-64D

In addition to its role in engaging targets on the ground and in the air, Israeli AH-64s, with their powerful sensors and communications systems, are also well equipped to operate in the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) role. This use is especially relevant in close support operations for ground troops, such as in Gaza, as well as in patrolling Israel's extensive and often tense border areas.

In total, Israel has 48 AH-64s of both versions in service, of which less than 20 are advanced D models.


AH-64A carrying a full complement of four reduced-size tanks

Photos from the current Gaza campaign confirm that the upgraded AH-64A remains an important part of the IAF's attack helicopter fleet, despite its age.

In general, a successful experiment with a ventral container showed that this practice with imported military equipment, how to take everything good and make it even better, in the case of Israel - modernization using locally developed subsystems, has a very positive effect on the properties of the combat vehicle.

In this regard, the Israeli Air Force fighter force is most famous for this, as its F-15 and F-16 have been so deeply modified that they are practically very far removed from the original models. And this process does not end, but vice versa. The new F-35I "Adir" also continues this tradition.


Israeli Apaches are truly unlike any other on the planet, but the A models have a look all their own thanks to some extra space added by their ventral pods.


A country with a highly developed radio-electronic industry and a rich engineering potential can use both domestic and imported weapons systems without hesitation, because the issues of maintaining military equipment in this case fade into the background, since engineers and designers cope with these tasks.

In this regard, Israel is doing a very original thing: on the one hand, by modernizing its equipment using its own developments, it ensures complete maintainability, on the other hand, it makes it as difficult as possible to use its equipment as trophies.
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  3. +14
    3 November 2023 05: 28
    In the absence of powerful air defense among the local aborigines, of course, Israeli helicopters can safely use their innovations wherever they want.
    We are of course interested in their new products; there is no peacetime ahead...Israeli experience in modernizing technology will be useful in the future.
    1. +7
      3 November 2023 09: 59
      AN-64D helicopters, no matter how you look at them, need to be modernized (!) to suit the new realities
      More powerful engines are needed for additional ceramic armor from 30 mm shells
      + onboard defense system, similar to that of the Ka-52 to counter MANPADS and the same Kornet 9M133FM-3 ATGMs
      First you need to increase the combat load without reducing the range from 800 kg to at least 2000 kg (Ka-52 2400 kg)
      BUT (!) - it will be a completely different helicopter
      1. +6
        3 November 2023 11: 54
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        ceramic armor

        There is one book, the chapters of which were supplemented and edited personally by Sergey Viktorovich Mikheev himself (general designer of the KA-50, KA-52). The best armor from small arms on a helicopter is spaced, titanium armor, due to the slow speed of the helicopter, will catch hits almost at right angles and in this regard holds up worse, and ceramics crumble and take a long time to repair, which is not acceptable during hostilities.
        1. +4
          3 November 2023 13: 52
          I agree, attack helicopters are not a cheap product, that’s why they use spaced armor
          Ours use 55mm boron carbide panels
          calmly holds 7,62, 12,7 and 14,5 mm panel chipping to a depth of no more than 20 mm
          but 30 mm shells paint the panel to a depth of 45 mm
          for mass-produced body armor it is expensive, it contains silicon carbide
          but small-scale assault suits for the FSB and SSO also use boron carbide
      2. +3
        3 November 2023 12: 27
        I noticed that the units with unguided missiles are not charged at all like ours. Ours are charged from the rear of the unit (like all ground-based MLRS, TOS), theirs are charged from the front. Moreover, from each missile, the contact group is plugged into the connector separately:
        Ours (the helicopter is looking to the left)


        Loading NURS at Apache (the helicopter is looking to the right)

        Contacts
        1. +1
          3 November 2023 18: 09
          Quote: Bad_gr

          Loading NURS at Apache (the helicopter is looking to the right)


          In the photo APKWS, they are not NURS.
          1. +4
            3 November 2023 21: 20
            The peculiarity of the American PU NAR is that it is possible to charge different types of NAR into one unit and select a specific type during combat use.
            1. +1
              3 November 2023 23: 22
              Quote from cold wind
              In the photo APKWS, they are not NURS.
              It's clear. Are NURSs charged from the same side?
      3. -2
        4 November 2023 09: 59
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        AN-64D helicopters, no matter how you look at them, need to be modernized (!) to suit the new realities

        Preferably - up to the screws, in the sand.
      4. +1
        4 November 2023 22: 07
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        + onboard defense system, similar to that of the Ka-52 to counter MANPADS and the same Kornet 9M133FM-3 ATGMs


        I don’t think that the Ka-52 complex protects against Kornet. One Ukrainian crew of the Stugna (the same principle as the Kornet) shot down two Ka-52s before they were caught. In the video, it doesn’t look like the Ka-52 noticed anything at all until the hits.
  4. +12
    3 November 2023 05: 30
    The author did not say what would happen to the helicopter when it fell into the area of ​​responsibility of the air defense of a more serious enemy than Arab terrorists...
    1. +8
      3 November 2023 06: 22
      There are no plans for military delivery, and all other countries with serious air defense do not seem to be opponents.
      1. -10
        3 November 2023 12: 00
        Yes, it’s just that air defenses newer than Strela-2m are dangerous, the main thing is not to fly up to Lebanon and ask daddy to put pressure on the neighbors so that they don’t try to fight with Israel. Otherwise it will be another disgrace for Israeli mega-technologies
    2. +11
      3 November 2023 12: 38
      into the air defense area of ​​responsibility of a more serious enemy

      The same thing happened with the Ka52, which was hit by BUK missiles, for example (and the catapult will not save you), this is what the pilots of the 52nd themselves said. You don’t think that there is an attack helicopter somewhere in the world that can withstand serious air defense. Why this remark? request
      1. +1
        3 November 2023 14: 50
        Quote: spirit
        for example, under BUK missiles (and a catapult will not save)

        Because there are a lot of damaging elements and the attack occurs from the upper hemisphere.
        These are, of course, my thoughts, but if the Ka-50 pilot had been in that place, he could have survived; there he is covered on top with a kind of lid that folds to the side during ejection.
        Of course, that cover is not armored, but it can be done.
        In Chechnya, for example, they put a plate on the floor of the armor and this did not affect the flight characteristics in any way.
    3. +4
      3 November 2023 21: 19
      Military equipment is used in a comprehensive manner - by the time the air defense helicopters arrive, it becomes charred wreckage. Everyone has their own goals. And the serious opponents mentioned have repeatedly tried to “throw Israel into the sea,” so there is enough experience in such use.
    4. 0
      28 December 2023 21: 27
      If it flies into our area of ​​responsibility, it will be 100% shot down, no options.
  5. +8
    3 November 2023 06: 28
    Is that what it means? But what about “the Northern Military District showed that the time of helicopters has passed”? Here it turns out what a wonderful Apache. Or “you don’t understand, this is different”? I didn't expect it from Roman. Inconsistent.
    1. -10
      3 November 2023 07: 22
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      But what about “the Northern Military District showed that the time of helicopters has passed”?

      It's actually gone
    2. +12
      3 November 2023 13: 40
      The secret to the helicopter's relevance is very simple - a modern sighting system and weapons.
      The “current” Israeli Apaches have a Spike NLOS at 30 km, while the “irrelevant” SVO helicopters have the main armament as an ATGM at 8 km without a seeker and a nose-up missile.
    3. +1
      3 November 2023 18: 03
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      Here it turns out what a wonderful Apache. Or “you don’t understand, this is different”? I didn't expect it from Roman. Inconsistent.

      The article looks like a translation. So it’s unlikely that Roman wrote it.
      1. 0
        3 November 2023 20: 03
        He published and identified himself as the author AUTHOR:
        Roman Skomorokhov

        There are no links to other articles. The question is according to him.
  6. fiv
    -3
    3 November 2023 06: 52
    You can't do everything better than everyone else. If a respected author wrote a whole article about Israeli miracles, then whoever needs it also knows. And you can fight this miracle, even with very inexpensive methods.
  7. +7
    3 November 2023 06: 53
    and possessing rich engineering potential can, without looking back,
    There first of all effective managers initially they push the option of using their equipment. As an example, the same F-35 was purchased with access to the software, no matter how the amers resisted.
    1. +2
      3 November 2023 09: 03
      NNP were given access only to the level of software that was required to integrate their weapons and equipment. Nobody will share all the sources to avoid leaks.
      1. +2
        3 November 2023 11: 00
        However, no one even received this access, and for the sons of Israel this is normal practice.
  8. +4
    3 November 2023 07: 26
    Why aren’t the numbers of cars that have already been hit? Moreover, there are videos of him being led and immediately getting hit. I saw two such videos, that is, they already have at least 40 units.
    1. -2
      3 November 2023 10: 23
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      It's actually gone

      Helicopters have very great prospects for development, in addition to the well-known qualities, there is one thing that is not talked about, the helicopter propulsion system contains a free turbine, this is when power is taken from the engine turbine (turbine No. 1) by directing the exhaust gases to another turbine (turbine No. 2) mechanically not connected with No. 1, it is easy to install a second free turbine (turbine No. 3) and redirect part of the gas flow to it and it will rotate a high-power electric generator from the energy of which you can power the laser installation
      1. +6
        3 November 2023 10: 55
        Quote: agond
        when power is taken from the engine turbine (turbine No. 1) by directing the exhaust gases to another turbine (turbine No. 2)

        Do you understand what you wrote? wink
  9. -1
    3 November 2023 10: 19
    Roman has already retrained as a helicopter specialist, or is this just a translation, judging by such gems as:
    Management system mission Elbit HELICOM, which provides real-time visibility of the battlefield.

    This AH-64D carries one Spike missile on the right suspension suspension.

    lol
    As for the helicopter itself, the Israelis are simply upgrading the machine to suit the features of their own theater of operations. Despite the fact that the layout of the AN-64 is extremely unsuccessful, just like the Mi-28. Although on the AN-64 the propeller located close to the ground shields the stabilizer.
  10. +5
    3 November 2023 10: 22
    It began service back in 1984, was manufactured in more than 2400 copies and is the most common combat helicopter in the world.

    Ka52 and Mi28 have been innovative since 1984, but Apache is old? The Jews may still have such a moment, what the Americans do from the factory in the new Apache block 1-2-3, the Jews receive as a result of modernizing the old boards with their national equipment.
    1. -3
      3 November 2023 11: 51
      The Ka-52 has little in common with the Ka-50. Just like the Mi-28n has little in common with the prototype of the 80s
      1. -4
        3 November 2023 12: 02
        The Ka-52 has little in common with the Ka-50. Just like the Mi-28n has little in common with the prototype of the 80s


        You farted famously.
      2. +4
        3 November 2023 12: 17
        Quote from alexoff
        The Ka-52 has little in common with the Ka-50

        Along frame 7, a single-seat cabin was cut off and a double-seat cabin was docked; there are helicopters converted from Ka-50 to KA-52.
        On one of the streams, a Ka-52 pilot said that these helicopters have been preserved and are being trained on them.
        And also the famous BKO balloons (L-370 “Vitebsk”) under the belly of the KA-52 were first tested on the KA-50 combat helicopter (flying laboratory) and MI-8.
        1. 0
          5 November 2023 02: 18
          We can just as well say that the T90M is old, since it is made on the basis of the T72
          1. 0
            7 November 2023 16: 14
            This is the same story as with Leo2A 1-2-3-4-5-6-7........only we have T-72 A-B-B3-B3M, T90 A-B.. ...M(SM, MS)
        2. +1
          7 November 2023 16: 13
          The propellers of the Ka52 are more spaced apart than those of the Ka50. To avoid blade overlap.
    2. +3
      3 November 2023 12: 09
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Ka52 and Mi28 have been innovative since 1984, but Apache is old?

      At that time, it took the Ka-50 and Mi-28 in competitive tests. The MI-28 lost in all respects, but the stubbornness and narrow thinking of the parquet people of that time did not allow the Ka-50 to be accepted.
      By the way, the fact that the KA-50 pilot could not cope alone and because of this was not accepted is nonsense.
      We conducted psychophysical tests with pilots while searching, recognizing and conditionally hitting a target at the training ground. According to the results of the tests, they were the same for both the Mi-28 pilots and the Ka-50 pilot.
      (The information is taken from a book that was supplemented and edited personally by Sergey Viktorovich Mikheev himself (general designer of KA-50, KA-52).
      Returning to the topic, the KA-52 and KA-50 are far ahead of their time and these are truly innovative helicopters (but they are inferior in electronic equipment).
      1. 0
        7 November 2023 16: 12
        Even now the USA will not be able to handle 1 local helicopter (in any scheme) (we are even more so)
        1. +1
          8 November 2023 16: 20
          will not be able to pull off the US (even more so)

          Why can't they? If in the Soviet era and the collapse of the 90s they were able to develop electronics for the KA-50, in those days they still joked about domestic transistors, that it had three legs and two handles for carrying."
          And now electronics have stepped far ahead and some functions of the 2nd pilot can be performed by the same AI (yes, Russia is not ahead of the rest in this regard, but it is trying very hard in this direction).
          One pilot makes a decision faster, he does not need to coordinate actions with the second (especially when they are sitting in tandem, and not side by side as in the KA-52 and SU-34 where they don’t even need to talk especially if the crew is united there, everything is at the level of gestures), losses are reduced Pilots (it costs a lot of money to train them, plus the time it takes for the person to grow up, etc.).
          Everything is quite feasible, it’s just that not all manufacturers and customers dare to take a step aside and adhere to the standard helicopter design.
          (One of the shortcomings of the Ka-50 is that it required a reconnaissance helicopter; in Chechnya, this role was performed by the KA-29, which, like the MI-24, could not keep up with the Black Shark).
  11. -6
    3 November 2023 17: 52
    The author, out of the kindness of his heart, is promoting Jews, or for money?
  12. +4
    3 November 2023 17: 52
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    AN-64D helicopters, no matter how you look at them, need to be modernized (!) to suit the new realities
    More powerful engines are needed for additional ceramic armor from 30 mm shells
    + onboard defense system, similar to that of the Ka-52 to counter MANPADS and the same Kornet 9M133FM-3 ATGMs
    First you need to increase the combat load without reducing the range from 800 kg to at least 2000 kg (Ka-52 2400 kg)
    BUT (!) - it will be a completely different helicopter

    Not a single modern infantry fighting vehicle can withstand 30 mm shells fired at the side and stern, but do you want a helicopter to withstand a 30 mm shell?
  13. -2
    3 November 2023 17: 53
    They also talked about the Merkava, the coolest one that can’t be killed, nothing burns like everyone else.
  14. +2
    4 November 2023 06: 56
    Ka-52M is an order of magnitude higher than Apache drinks
  15. +1
    5 November 2023 09: 52
    Well, what kind of avionics and other gadgets are there? Give Hamas more MANPADS and Thors and let's see how long the Apache will stay in the air. A normal helicopter for conditions when the enemy has no air defense. He also flew up from a distance of 10 km. fired rockets, that’s his limit in Israeli conditions.
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  16. +1
    5 November 2023 18: 06
    1984, manufactured in more than 2400 copies and is the most common combat helicopter in the world. Next year he will celebrate his fortieth birthday, and this, in principle, is an indicator of his capabilities.

    True, it took 20 years to perfect it before it became what it is...
    1. 0
      7 November 2023 16: 16
      The war in Iraq is his full-fledged debut as a day/night PT Helicopter. Our Mi28 and Ka52 became night-time ones relatively recently.
  17. 0
    10 November 2023 19: 43
    Excellent helicopter with good weapons
  18. 0
    3 February 2024 21: 47
    Crack Koshcheevo's egg first and it will turn out completely differently.