Project "Alabuga" and unhealthy sensations

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Project "Alabuga" and unhealthy sensations
The CHAMP EMP missile is the supposed American analogue of the Russian Alabuga. Boeing graphics


Every few years, the foreign and domestic press recalls the promising Russian project “Alabuga”. Its goal, as far as is known, was to create a complex of weapons that would destroy enemy electronic systems with a powerful electromagnetic pulse. There is very little open information about this development, which contributes to the emergence of various versions, forecasts and speculations - and also attracts the attention of the media and blogs with a dubious reputation.



Sensational news


The impetus for the start of a new wave of discussions and publications on the topic of “Alabuga” was allegedly the statements of NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg. In mid-September, military-political blogs, followed by some media outlets, wrote that the head of the Alliance expressed concern about the development of a Russian EMP-weapons.

It was alleged that NATO intelligence was able to obtain information about the Alabuga complex. These data show that the new Russian development can neutralize the military potential of the organization, incl. nuclear. In this regard, the Secretary General called on Russia to stop work on the new complex.

However, it was not possible to find such statements in officially published transcripts and minutes of events with the participation of J. Stoltenberg, as well as in leading foreign media. In addition, each subsequent publication about NATO requirements regarding Alabuga was replenished with more and more new details. Assessments of such statements were also given, sometimes too harsh for publication in the press.

From all this we can conclude that the Secretary General of the Alliance has not spoken about the Russian Alabuga project in recent weeks and months. At the same time, his “quoted” statements and demands to stop work are a figment of the imagination of unscrupulous bloggers.

More powerful than a nuclear bomb


Nevertheless, people abroad are still interested in Russian developments in the field of EMP weapons, as a result of which corresponding publications appear. Thus, against the backdrop of discussions of “Stoltenberg’s statements” in Russian blogs, on September 30, the British tabloid Daily Star also wrote about “Alabuga”. The traditionally flashy headline called this product more powerful than a nuclear bomb.


Communication systems are critical to modern armies. Photo by the Russian Ministry of Defense

The Daily Star recalls that electronic weapons are capable of destroying equipment at a distance and can hit entire armies. Electromagnetic emitters can affect different systems over a distance of several miles with understandable results. Thus, an EMP can suppress a missile's homing head, disable an aircraft's communications equipment, and block automatic loading tank, detonate ammunition directly in the stowage or destroy manpower, incl. in buried structures.

Having previously frightened the reader, the publication reports that the Alabuga electromagnetic missile has been created in Russia. It is capable of disabling all electronics within a 2,3 mile (3,5 km) radius. Such weapons will be received by unmanned aerial vehicles-fighters, which will have to fight aviation the adversary.

Developing the topic of EMP weapons, the Daily Star tabloid also mentioned the “Foliage” remote mine clearance machine. Using standard equipment, it detects radio-controlled mines and then neutralizes them using high-frequency radiation. The range is 100 m. Over the next two years, the newspaper reports, the Russian army will receive 150 of these MDRs.

Concerns have also been expressed about the presence of EMP ammunition in the DPRK. The Korean People's Army can use them at energy facilities in the Republic of Korea. In this case, full-fledged nuclear weapons can become the source of the electromagnetic pulse.

It is curious that the Daily Star, greedy for loud news, did not mention J. Stoltenberg’s “statements” about the excessive danger of the Russian “Alabuga” and “calls” to stop its development. Probably, British fans of sensations do not read Russian-language blogs.

Real events


It should be noted that the Alabuga project is quite real. Not too much is known about it yet, but the available data allows us to draw a general picture and even draw some conclusions. At the same time, the absence of all the details can provoke the emergence of various kinds of fantasies, unhealthy sensations, etc.


Alabuga products can complement existing electronic warfare systems, such as Krasukha. Photo Vitalykuzmin.net

It is believed that research and development work with the Alabuga code was carried out from the beginning or mid-XNUMXs. The participants in R&D are unknown, but it is known that enterprises of the Rostec state corporation and the Radioelectronic Technologies concern are involved in it. The goal of the program was to search for new technologies and ways to create promising EMP weapons. In addition, full-fledged prototypes of such products were developed and tested.

The existence of the Alabuga project became known only in 2014. By that time, the project had reached the stage of field testing of technology demonstrator prototypes. According to domestic media reports, citing representatives of Rostec, the first tests were successful. EMP ammunition has shown its ability to suppress communication systems, optical-electronic equipment, as well as some weapons.

It was noted that the issue of delivering EMP ammunition to the target area now needs to be resolved. At that time, a special type of warhead was distinguished by its large mass and size, which is why it needed its own carrier. Concerns were expressed that a missile with the necessary characteristics risked becoming a simple target for enemy air defense.

In 2017, new details emerged. Thus, it became known from the management of KRET that the Alabuga program is primarily research, and there are no plans to create a full-fledged combat-ready weapon within its framework. In addition, it was noted that after the completion of the research work, the project was designated as critically important, as a result of which it received a new classification of secrecy.

Subsequently, the domestic and foreign press repeatedly recalled Alabuga, but new interesting details of the project were not reported - probably due to the secrecy of the program. As a result, the current state of affairs and prospects for the project remain unknown. Moreover, even the very fact of continuing the work and the possibility of the appearance of full-fledged ammunition in the future are in question.

Key technologies


As reported, the goal of Alabuga R&D is to search and develop technologies for creating weapons based on electromagnetic pulses. The general concept of such weapons was proposed quite a long time ago, and the current level of development of equipment and technology should have ensured its full implementation.


The newest domestic missile X-69. Perhaps she will also receive an EMP load. KTRV graphics

The main element of the shock EMP complex is the so-called. explosive magnetic generator (EMG). This is a special device similar to a high-explosive warhead with a number of additional components. The latter, under the influence of an explosion, should produce high-power electromagnetic radiation. The resulting impulse should affect electrical and electronic systems and disable them.

In theory, it is possible to create different types of VMGs with tactical and technical characteristics in a fairly wide range. Probably, small devices of this kind can be made within the dimensions of an artillery shell, but in this case the range of action will be minimal. The feasibility of such ammunition is questionable - a conventional high-explosive fragmentation projectile will cause damage not only to enemy electronics.

According to past reports, the full-size VMG from the Alabuga project is capable of hitting electronics within a radius of 3,5 km. However, it differs in size and weight, which limit the range of its potential carriers. At the same time, domestic media sources did not specify which missile could carry a special electromagnetic warhead.

Understandable interest


Russian science and industry are studying and developing a lot of promising areas and creating weapons based on the so-called. new physical principles. Any news from this area attracts attention. At the same time, as it turns out, real events and news are sometimes not required to create excitement.

This is precisely the phenomenon that could be recently observed in the context of Alabuga R&D. In the absence of news about the progress of work, unscrupulous authors themselves created a “sensation”, and then it was picked up by other blogs and publications. At the same time, it is not difficult to notice that these events were based on the public’s interest in the successes of the domestic industry and the desire to know about its latest developments. This interest is quite understandable, and the public should not be blamed for it.
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  1. +7
    2 November 2023 05: 41
    creates weapons on the so-called. new physical principles
    Very interesting....
    1. +5
      2 November 2023 06: 26
      Well, the moment has come, we can use it, what are we waiting for? Or what about Armata?
      1. +6
        2 November 2023 06: 55
        Quote: Civil
        Or what about Armata?

        No.
        Like with “Coalition-SV”...
        1. +2
          2 November 2023 12: 31
          Like with “Coalition-SV”...

          Do you mean join the troops?
      2. +4
        2 November 2023 09: 15
        What are you going to use, the fruit of a sick fantasy of the so-called. bloggers?
      3. -2
        3 November 2023 04: 27
        There, the nuclear filling compresses the electric charge, the energy of the explosion turns into an electromagnetic pulse. In fact, a nuclear explosion is not an option for now.
        1. +3
          3 November 2023 13: 15
          This is a completely wrong idea about EMP weapons. A nuclear explosion is itself a source of electromagnetic radiation in a wide spectrum - from radio waves to x-rays. Ultrahigh-frequency radio waves are the EMP factor of the explosion. The essence of a non-nuclear EMP weapon is the formation of a standing radio wave in a resonator tube and its uniform compression by the explosion of a conventional explosive. As a result, there is a sharp increase in frequency (up to microwave) and energy of the radio wave. The technical problem is that it is necessary to achieve high uniformity of compression and transfer of explosion energy into wave energy before the resonator tube is destroyed. Since significant explosion energy (the efficiency is not high, but nevertheless) goes into the work of radio wave conversion, the EMP effect is comparable to the use of a tactical nuclear charge, the energy of which is spent unevenly over a wider spectrum.
          1. 0
            4 November 2023 00: 05
            The essence of a non-nuclear EMP weapon is the formation of a standing radio wave in a resonator tube and its uniform compression by the explosion of a conventional explosive.
            This is a rather old Sakharov scheme, working on the principle of “magnetic flux” compression and having a low efficiency even with all the available modifications:
            “For the device to be sufficiently effective, the compression of the field to its maximum value must occur in approximately a period of time equal to 10 to the minus ninth power of seconds.”
            Can chemical explosives react at such speeds?
            Modern ones are built not on compression of the magnetic field, but on the use of a spherical shock wave directly in the substance. This is a rather complex system with ingenious detonation to ensure the most spherical shock wave in cesium iodide single crystals.

            Since significant explosion energy (the efficiency is not high, but nevertheless) goes into the work of radio wave conversion, the EMP effect is comparable to the use of a tactical nuclear charge
            During a nuclear explosion, no more than 5% of the explosion energy is spent on radiation. And the radiation from a nuclear explosion is not the main thing that is required from this weapon.
            1. 0
              5 November 2023 10: 19
              This ammunition has two critical problems - its large size, since it is not the plutonium hollow “grapefruit” that needs to be compressed in size, but a rather hefty crystal that still needs to be grown, and this is not fast
              .
              Quote from barbos
              In a nuclear explosion, no more than 5% of the explosion energy is spent on radiation

              Not certainly in that way. A nuclear explosion can be compared to very big electric spark. In the sense that all the energy is released in the form of EMP, only... it is immediately absorbed by the surrounding matter, which heats up to millions of degrees and its vapors already create a shock wave and all other destruction. But the warhead itself weighs barely hundreds of kg, so an explosion in a reservoir causes the greatest destruction by a shock wave from very superheated water vapor, air is weaker, since air is 800 times less dense than water, and getting into the ground is even weaker - at below 2000 degrees there is sand back into solid particles, sharply reducing the pressure.
              But EMR, on the contrary, is the maximum in space, where the only substance is the warhead itself and nothing prevents the radiation from spreading into the distance, and the minimum in soil or water, where all the radiation gets stuck and is heated.
              Therefore, the statement about interest is incorrect. Depends on the environment in which the detonation is performed, the power of the product itself and the weight of the substance around it.
              The third problem with EMP ammunition in the Russian Federation is that the same technologies are used for its manufacture as for nuclear weapons - the same spark detonators, explosive alloys, distribution sphere, etc., so private firms are unlikely to receive permission to make this ammunition. and without experiments in a deserted area or on a body of water it cannot be worked out.
              1. 0
                8 November 2023 09: 50
                How many private owners strive to develop this? Do they have opportunities? And what about the payback of such a fundamental development?
                1. 0
                  8 November 2023 18: 05
                  This is the same weapon. What is the payback and from what? If only used in predatory wars.
        2. 0
          3 November 2023 23: 45
          If the nuclear filling begins to compress the so-called “electric charge” (what is this anyway????), then there will simply be nothing left of it. And more than certainly and completely. Too much pressure at the epicenter. There, in addition, it emits so much that a hard gamma will incinerate everything.
      4. +3
        5 November 2023 09: 01
        Which one to use? Additional funding was needed, so they started the rumor... And before using it, we still have to stomp and stomp....
      5. 0
        April 24 2024 22: 22
        Why how? It could be worse. The money is spent, but the product is not there. In 1937, Langemak was shot for this and Korolev and Glushko were imprisoned. After which the Katyusha immediately began to shoot.
    2. 0
      2 November 2023 14: 02
      . creates weapons on the so-called. new physical principles

      Of course it's interesting. What new principles? Amy even creates a large current consumer, or a short circuit. If you shorten a battery of conventional supercapacitors at home, then I think some of the electronics will also fail. Well, a fire is guaranteed
      1. +6
        2 November 2023 14: 53
        Quote: igorbrsv
        . creates weapons on the so-called. new physical principles

        Of course it's interesting. What new principles? Amy even creates a large current consumer, or a short circuit. If you shorten a battery of conventional supercapacitors at home, then I think some of the electronics will also fail. Well, a fire is guaranteed

        The issue is range. The fact that you are spending time at home, and even in contact with email. network, then yes, perhaps the nearest equipment connected to the network will fail, but not for sure. True, most likely, the zener diodes, which are easily replaced, will burn out. A fire is possible only with a sufficiently long pulse that can support a spark, and even then depending on the material of the housing and what is located nearby. Here we are talking about the possibility of destroying specialized protected chips, and even at a decent distance. So far this is only possible with nuclear weapons.
      2. 0
        9 November 2023 21: 42
        All EMR sources have one rather significant drawback - they emit in all directions and form a spherical wave front. And it needs to be very strong so that it shines in one direction. It’s more economical this way and won’t fly to your own people. Something like a directed explosion. Only it is necessary to reflect not matter, but energy. Only energy is obtained through an explosion, which can easily break the reflector.
        Therefore, cunning heads decided to combine a hedgehog and a snake, but for now in laboratory experiments. Short-term, but very powerful laser flashes bring the air to the state of plasma, which conducts current quite well. Once a conductive channel is formed, a strong electrical discharge is applied to it. It turns out something similar to directed lightning. Just pretty accurate.
        Thus, there is no need to get rid of yourself and burn out an enemy missile or drone on the body. It is enough to organize a short-term conducting medium that will close the circuit between the target and the high-voltage source. In other words, it’s one thing to wave a stun gun and hope that the induced electricity will hit something there; it’s another thing to apply the stun gun itself and give a discharge to the body.
        There are still problems with delivering large electrical potential to the desired location. The potential is not very eager to run somewhere far away; it is easier for him to penetrate the laser source of radiation. Simply because it is much closer.
  2. +8
    2 November 2023 05: 42
    Having previously frightened the reader, the publication reports that the Alabuga electromagnetic missile has been created in Russia. It is capable of disabling all electronics within a 2,3 mile (3,5 km) radius. Such weapons will be received by unmanned aerial vehicles-fighters, which will have to fight enemy aircraft.

    It should be noted that the Alabuga project is quite real.

    It is written beautifully, almost the same as VVP tells...
    Therefore, you should treat this with understanding and...
    ...buy powerful optics and watch as American Hawks and Ukrainian drones flying to Crimea and Russia fall into the Black Sea.
  3. -6
    2 November 2023 06: 02
    To be honest, I’m skeptical about “new weapons”; cartoons and those that have no analogues in the world have greatly undermined my trust, but if we are really developing something, and not just cutting the budget, then I consider this already good news.
    1. +6
      2 November 2023 12: 42
      In Kyiv, do they still consider Dagger, Zircon, Poseidon, Sarmat, Peresvet to be cartoons? Oh yes! An alternative reality - light elves, evil orcs, a parade in Moscow, Crimea... What Putin said does not exist, cartoons?
      1. -3
        2 November 2023 21: 31
        Quote: URAL72
        In Kyiv, do they still consider Dagger, Zircon, Poseidon, Sarmat, Peresvet to be cartoons? Oh yes! An alternative reality - light elves, evil orcs, a parade in Moscow, Crimea... What Putin said does not exist, cartoons?

        Well, Peresvet and Poseidon are really cartoons.
        Useless cartoons.
        1. +4
          3 November 2023 04: 51
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Well, Peresvet and Poseidon are really cartoons.
          Useless cartoons.

          In your dreams, perhaps the Crimean Bridge does not exist in nature?
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Poseidon is really a cartoon.

          And for "Poseidon" several carriers have already been built and are also being built - like carriers of cartoons?
          And the Peresvets are already on combat duty.
      2. 0
        3 November 2023 10: 50
        Yes, the problem is not that it exists or does not exist, but how it works, if the superiority in missiles is 1k, 30 tanks are 1 in 10 and artillery is 1 in 8, then how the hell can we not take Avdiivka for a year and a half!
        1. 0
          April 24 2024 22: 26
          The reason is women. They don’t want to give birth to soldiers, radishes!
      3. 0
        8 November 2023 09: 53
        Add avant-garde. I was also a cartoonist, but already in service.
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  4. 0
    2 November 2023 06: 40
    In the absence of news about the progress of work, unscrupulous authors themselves created a “sensation”, and then it was picked up by other blogs and publications. ...
    ...the basis of these events was the public's interest in the successes of the domestic industry and the desire to know about its latest developments.


    ""The hopes of young men are nourished,
    They serve joy to the elders.”

    But still they are gradually melting..."
    (poet Gleb Glinka)
  5. +2
    2 November 2023 07: 25
    I read about the development of EM bombs 20 years ago, but apparently it didn’t work out or the level of technology did not allow it, now that such an impetus has been given to the defense industry, everything is quite possible.
    1. +3
      2 November 2023 12: 34
      Exactly, this is very good. old topic - since then not much has changed in the field of technological base, not so much that these products (which were used and manufactured 20 years ago, by the way) have become MANY times more powerful and in demand. They had (and still have) a niche, but it was highly specialized. niche, and they are also expensive, they have a small radius of influence and they do not always have it in principle (unlike classic warheads, which will cause damage one way or another).
      1. 0
        3 November 2023 04: 59
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        they are expensive, they have a small radius of influence and they do not always have it in principle (unlike classic warheads, which will cause damage one way or another).

        If we consider that all/almost all military equipment has always been made with the expectation of protection from the EMP of a nuclear explosion, then an effective non-nuclear EMP bomb will be effective primarily against civilian infrastructure. But not military equipment designed for this. Or it will have too small a radius of destruction.
    2. 0
      2 January 2024 14: 50
      The main idea of ​​a weapon based on “other physical principles” is not one EM pulse that burns everything around, but the creation of a device (generator) of a field or wave that induces an alternating current emf in electronic devices, which is lethal for any semiconductors, regardless of the radiation power. As is known, from semiconductors, when connecting or inducing reverse polarity into them, white smoke sharply comes out, on which they, in fact, work. I think that the idea of ​​​​an explosion to obtain an instant effect is not new and conventional nuclear weapons, in the form of a neutron bomb, are quite effective, but almost indispensable , and here the idea of ​​a field generator is that a cruise missile with that device flies, and within a radius of 3-5 km, or maybe 50 or 100, all the electronics burn out. I think that engineers are working on such an EMP option.
  6. +2
    2 November 2023 07: 26
    Again, a lot of advertising instead of a finished product... It seems that the lion's share of R&D budgets is spent on advertising... And the result is either something old, still Soviet, or "well, you understand, problems have arisen..." hi
  7. -5
    2 November 2023 07: 45
    So...the Americans have overtaken Russia in the creation of EMP weapons? belay In the Russian Federation we are talking about VMG-bonbachs... and the problem is where to get a missile like the South Korean “Henmu-5”! But the Americans say what they did for their “tomahawks” as a warhead EMP “gun”! Such a “tomahawk” will fly wherever it is sent and shoot... shoot... shoot with EM pulses! bully
    1. +4
      2 November 2023 10: 21
      I'm afraid that after the first impulse his electronics... Togo
  8. -14
    2 November 2023 07: 48
    Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory is ours!

    ...a new Russian development can neutralize the military potential of the organization, incl. nuclear. In this regard, the Secretary General called on Russia to stop work on the new complex.

    We immediately ran and covered everything up... Now, let’s just iron the laces. laughing

    A demonstration of our EMO was on the Black Sea, when our plane flew next to an American ship and almost all of their electronics went out. After which half the crew of the ship was written off ashore. laughing Glory to our science!!!
    1. +2
      2 November 2023 19: 29
      A demonstration of our EMO was on the Black Sea, when our plane flew next to an American ship and almost all of their electronics went out. After which half the crew of the ship was written off ashore.
      This wretched agitprop nonsense has not inspired anyone for a long time, you are several years late... lol
  9. +1
    2 November 2023 07: 55
    It was alleged that NATO intelligence was able to obtain information about the Alabuga complex. These data show that the new Russian development can neutralize the military potential of the organization, incl. nuclear. In this regard, the Secretary General called on Russia to stop work on the new complex.

    He called on Russia to stop work on the new complex - isn’t he an idiot? This is why new weapons are being developed to neutralize the enemy’s military potential. Where have all the reasonable people in the West gone? Extinct or mutated? Listen to what they say - I’m scared for the planet
  10. +14
    2 November 2023 08: 47
    A classic note by this author. At least I could provide a diagram of an explosive magnetic generator, but as always, there are a lot of letters, little meaning.
    1. fiv
      +2
      2 November 2023 11: 49
      The circuit for an explosive magnetic generator (ammunition) was developed a long time ago, articles about it are a flooded sea. The fact that they exist is clear even without the article. There is also no doubt that they are explosive. And the method of obtaining an impulse is, I think, a very secret secret, since the use of such a device, especially massively, can radically change the situation on the theater or on an important part of it. So for now, no one will shoot down drones and other attacks with such weapons.
    2. -3
      2 November 2023 15: 08
      Quote: Aviator_
      At least provide a diagram of an explosive magnetic generator

      Or maybe also drawings right away?
      1. +4
        2 November 2023 18: 42
        Or maybe also drawings right away?
        Dear, articles are written so that the reader is familiar with this issue. If the author is not able to provide a picture, at least from the magazine "Young Technician", then this characterizes his professional level in this matter.
        1. -3
          2 November 2023 22: 49
          Quote: Aviator_
          Articles are written to ensure that the reader is familiar with this issue.

          And should the reader also be familiar with all military secrets?
  11. +3
    2 November 2023 08: 55
    Again, “either it is or not, I said it, but there is no confirmation,” I support the proposal to write the name at the beginning of the article so as not to waste time on all sorts of nonsense. Empty discussions about nothing.
  12. +8
    2 November 2023 09: 04
    Everything can be done. The main problem is not to spoil yourself. And who is interested in "Explosive Generators" ed. V. Fortova. The science. 2002.
  13. +8
    2 November 2023 09: 10
    There, power efficiency is inversely proportional to the cube of the distance. Therefore, a grenade in an apartment has an amazing effect, a bomb in a block is also not bad, but a large bomb for a circle of 1 km is not enough. (Purely my opinion, based on physical laws.) You can, of course, “blind” the headquarters with precision ammunition, and only if it is not very deep. It could be applied to control buildings in Kyiv, to communication centers. But over large areas there is only a nuclear landmine..., presumably.
    1. 0
      2 November 2023 13: 05
      Nowadays, the accuracy of ammunition is sufficient to compensate for the inaccuracy in power. A few betas will be enough for the headquarters; it will hit with 100% probability.
  14. -1
    2 November 2023 10: 31
    a beautiful fairy tale with a bad ending! It’s not clear what it is and whether it will work in the field
  15. +2
    2 November 2023 10: 39
    I read it and thought: Has the problem been solved, what is better for a soldier - foot wraps or socks? What did the bosses agree on? After all, they also wrote about this......
  16. 0
    2 November 2023 11: 14
    It's better to see once than to hear 1 times.
  17. +1
    2 November 2023 11: 41
    If “Alabuga” exists in a “commercial” form, then maybe it’s worth using it in the Northern Military District? somewhere closer to the Western adversaries to shake them up for helping the Ukrainian Wehrmacht? especially if good frosts hit at this time, which in themselves does not greatly strain the energy systems of countries.
    There will be a cumulative effect, and, well, punishment for going where they’re not asked. angry
  18. 0
    2 November 2023 12: 29
    If what is written here is even 10% true, then it’s just a bomb.
    All these F-35s, Tamahawks, Arlie Berks, are just egg shells......after the arrival of one EMP projectile nearby
  19. 0
    2 November 2023 12: 30
    If what is written here is even 10% true, then it’s just a bomb.
    All these F-35s, Tamahawks, Arlie Berks, are just egg shells......after the arrival of one EMP projectile nearby
  20. +4
    2 November 2023 12: 30

    According to past reports, a full-size VMG from the Alabuga project is capable of hitting electronics within a radius of 3,5 km

    I believe that this is the rarest nonsense or simply an extremely inept “catch-up” and substitution of the total “zone of influence and detection” with the “kill zone”.
    There is a direct physical relationship between electricity and magnetism, and within a design of limited size and limited power (the power per volume and speed of a chemical explosion is limited) such an effective radius cannot be achieved. All toys of this kind are tied to the size of the product, the speed of detonation, the efficiency of magnetic materials, etc. - these parameters have not undergone any significant changes for quite a long time and, therefore, it is precisely that a revolution cannot happen here yet. The foreseeable revolution could be associated with the discovery of indoor superconductivity, but so far it is also muted, although there was news this year about some kind of breakthrough abroad. So the power of such ammunition can be increased either by making them nuclear or by increasing their linear size.
    The effective destruction zone of conventional EMP products, as far as I know, did not exceed hundreds or a couple of hundred meters. And then the big question is how much this zone will decrease in relation to special military equipment, electronics and minimal countermeasures.
    Despite the fact that these toys were very expensive and filigree in execution, the manufacturing precision required was the same as when creating implosion-type nuclear weapons.
    The Americans used EMP against Iraqi air defense at one time - it turned out sourly for them, and in general, in my personal opinion, EMP (conventional) due to its physical properties. restrictions are most suitable for acts of sabotage and first strike (through acts of sabotage), for inflicting economic and managerial damage on the enemy through, again, sabotage of its technical infrastructure facilities (mainly civilian and dual-use).

    The headquarters will be protected to a certain extent from EMP, hitting point targets will not be economically feasible, and delivery of a large warhead will also be a problem.

    From all this I conclude that this is probably another “vanderwaffe theme” a la “The Father of All Bombs”, “Poseidon” and others like them. A sort of bogeyman for the average person and an opportunity to make money for cunning politicians and industrialists overseas and here.
    1. 0
      2 November 2023 13: 04
      Despite the fact that these toys were very expensive and filigree in execution, the manufacturing precision required was the same as when creating implosion-type nuclear weapons.

      Why do you think so? I once read a monograph on VEMG, there were only about 20 schemes there. And as far as I understand, HEMGs have been widely used for a long time, for example, to test high-voltage industrial transformers for resistance to lightning strikes.
      As for superconductivity, you can also pour liquid nitrogen into the “saucepan” before starting. This was used even during the Second World War, during the defense of Moscow - before takeoff, liquid oxygen was poured into bombs with sawdust right at the airfield. They even came up with a name for such explosives - “oxyliquities”.
      1. +6
        2 November 2023 14: 35
        I mean special military products, and not any product that uses the principle. How do you understand special The product must meet the requirements of max. efficiency, minimum size, resistance to movement and overload, etc.
        As in the implosion circuit, there will be such a thing as efficiency, that is, the % of energy expended that gave a useful result (from the point of view of the product), and such products (at the time I read about this, about 6 years ago) were still quite Precision in execution, in fact it was a very precise toy, because its destruction occurred very well. quickly and the output efficiency directly depended on the accuracy and quality of execution.
        Regarding the filling of liquid nitrogen, etc., considerations of military economics, as a rule, bury such projects. Because all this needs to be transported, stored, trained to work with it, the readiness of the products for use decreases, the ability of enemy intelligence to determine preparation for a strike increases.
        6-10 years ago, such ammunition still required guidance accuracy comparable to the excellent accuracy of conventional ammunition with 2-3 guidance systems. Various obstacles unpredictably cut into their effectiveness. So, as far as I understand, it’s much easier and cheaper to bomb something weakly protected, but a highly protected object will strictly not care about EMP products, because a Faraday cage in one version or another is incredibly simple and quite inexpensive, and reinforced concrete structures will absorb efficiency to a certain extent. Of course, EMP will knock out some external systems, well, shrapnel and a blast wave will also, in general, knock them out.
        At the moment, such systems are extremely highly specialized; I would suggest that these are precisely sabotage weapons, if they are at all suitable for transportation and delivery by such groups.
        1. 0
          2 November 2023 16: 22
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          you need to transport it, store it, you need to be trained to work with it,

          Otherwise, the Strategic Missile Forces or Aerospace Forces, artillery (barrel and rocket), submarine/surface fleet do without it...
          1. Aag
            0
            3 November 2023 18: 27
            Quote: Andrey “andrewTSO” D
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            you need to transport it, store it, you need to be trained to work with it,

            Otherwise, the Strategic Missile Forces or Aerospace Forces, artillery (barrel and rocket), submarine/surface fleet do without it...

            Bad comparison. By any criteria.
  21. +2
    2 November 2023 13: 04
    Yelabuga in Tatar Alabuga. Another Tatar-style perch is also Alabuga.
  22. +1
    2 November 2023 13: 07
    Well, a projectile is not a projectile, but anti-missile missiles can probably be successfully made now. After all, for an anti-missile missile, a radius of even 100m is already very good, and the “bug” turns into a “feature” - it will not affect its own.
    1. fiv
      0
      2 November 2023 18: 36
      Military equipment with electronics is being prepared to survive the e-mag pulse of an atomic explosion, these are not civilian tape recorders to burn out.
  23. 0
    2 November 2023 13: 25
    But, for example, what about the VMG (explosive magnetic generator)? After all, modern magnets can store very high energy. For example, back in the 90s, at UFAN, we created a magnet that, being the size of 2 rubles, could lift a car. Where does the energy go and in what form when the magnet is destroyed (it is enough to hit it quite hard)? I haven't seen this anywhere...
    1. +1
      4 November 2023 00: 14
      After all, modern magnets can store very high energy.
      Magnets do not store any energy.

      Here at UFAN, back in the 90s, they created a magnet that, being the size of 2 rubles, could lift a car.
      Did you just walk up and pick it up with one hand?

      Where does the energy go and in what form when the magnet is destroyed (it is enough to hit it quite hard)?
      You can easily check it at home: buy a powerful neodymium magnet on Ali and hit it hard with a hammer at home. We release psychic energy for the money spent)
  24. 0
    2 November 2023 14: 47
    As far as we know, back in Afghanistan, when the Mujahideen began to use radio-controlled land mines, effective means of counteraction were found. Helicopters with appropriate equipment were launched along the route of the columns. The effect was so good that the “bearded” soon abandoned this tactic. So there are developments, but at what stage they are, it’s clear that no one will spread the word.
  25. +1
    2 November 2023 15: 29
    These data show that the new Russian development can neutralize the military potential of the organization, incl. nuclear. In this regard, the Secretary General called on Russia to stop work on the new complex.

    It is very implausible that the NATO Secretary General could say something like this: “Stop working as your complex neutralizes our potential.”
    According to past reports, the full-size VMG from the Alabuga project is capable of hitting electronics within a radius of 3,5 km. However, it differs in size and weight, which limit the range of its potential carriers.

    An assessment of the potential of this weapon is quite accessible. The energy of the explosive substance is known, the coefficient of conversion of the explosive energy into an EM impulse can also be assessed, how much of this energy can be directed to the target or targets, and finally the vulnerability of the target itself.
    If in Alabuga only ordinary explosives hit targets within a radius of 3,5 km, it can only be attributed to unprotected microcircuits or something similar.
    A nuclear explosion at a high altitude is quite capable of destroying unprotected electronics throughout the entire territory of South Korea, as well as power lines.
  26. 0
    2 November 2023 16: 08
    Probably, small devices of this kind can be made within the dimensions of an artillery shell, but in this case the range of action will be minimal. The feasibility of such ammunition is questionable - a conventional high-explosive fragmentation projectile will cause damage not only to enemy electronics.

    What’s stopping you from stuffing 1-2 similar shells into a box of high-explosive fragmentation shells? Or in the pack for Hurricanes/Grads and, for example, shoot first and last (to be on the safe side)...
    1. Aag
      0
      3 November 2023 18: 32
      Quote: Andrey “andrewTSO” D
      Probably, small devices of this kind can be made within the dimensions of an artillery shell, but in this case the range of action will be minimal. The feasibility of such ammunition is questionable - a conventional high-explosive fragmentation projectile will cause damage not only to enemy electronics.

      What’s stopping you from stuffing 1-2 similar shells into a box of high-explosive fragmentation shells? Or in the pack for Hurricanes/Grads and, for example, shoot first and last (to be on the safe side)...

      The absence of these shells.
  27. -1
    2 November 2023 16: 11
    Quote: igorbrsv
    What new principles? Amy creates even a high current consumer,

    The name of serial weapons built on this principle - to the studio!
  28. 0
    2 November 2023 16: 11
    Quote: igorbrsv
    What new principles? Amy creates even a high current consumer,

    The name of serial weapons built on this principle - to the studio!
  29. -1
    2 November 2023 16: 13
    Quote: URAL72
    Dagger, Zircon, Poseidon, Sarmat, Peresvet

    I forgot the Crimean Bridge. Everyone knows that it is impossible to build it
  30. -2
    2 November 2023 16: 43
    It looks like they’re already putting it on the Burevestnik, it’s got a ton of energy, it’ll fly and use corridors to extinguish everything in its path, so about 20 of them will extinguish any country in a day and you can’t bring it down with anything smart, just a small rifle.
  31. +1
    2 November 2023 17: 02
    There is very little open information about this development, which contributes to the emergence of various versions, forecasts and speculations - and also attracts the attention of the media and blogs with a dubious reputation.

    Why is VO better if such articles “about nothing” appear?
  32. +1
    2 November 2023 18: 08
    People's fantasies are unhealthy - detonating shells in a tank and destroying manpower - with unknown radiation - how can one come up with such a thing? wassat
  33. +2
    2 November 2023 18: 59
    Communication systems are critical to modern armies. Photo by the Russian Ministry of Defense

    The photo shows not a communication system, but a jamming station ASP R-330Zh Zhitel.
  34. 0
    2 November 2023 19: 28
    When a nuclear charge explodes, damaging factors arise, such as an electric magnetic pulse, light radiation, penetrating radiation and a shock wave. How to select from this composition two components: electric magnetic radiation and light radiation? This is the kind of projectile that is needed. And increase the radius el.mag.radiation can be used as a cassette supply with el.mag.radiation cassette shells. There are a lot of possibilities here. You can create a projectile of light radiation separately from a projectile of el.mag.radiation. It seems that our Russian military scientists are already working on this, but there are no guarantees that in the West they are not working on this. I believe in the success of our scientists!
  35. +3
    2 November 2023 21: 27
    Now people familiar with physics, calculate how powerful the generation must be to clear a strip of 200 meters of mines? Is this exactly how the latest nonsense written by Ryabov is read?
    The strip is only 100 meters, 50 on each side.
    Moreover, this is a metal detection strip.
    Next, the machine begins to stop, attempt to position itself, and then send a directed impulse towards the found source of metal.
    And there the reality is only 15 meters. Reality.
    Tales of 50 meters in pointing EMR at a tiny metal part that can damage the fuse, again I recommend for school. Learn physics.
  36. +1
    2 November 2023 21: 43
    The next "Star Wars". Nuclear-pumped lasers. Doesn't remind you of anything? It's just a scam for money. On a big scale.
  37. -1
    3 November 2023 00: 16
    Imagine an EMP weapon that burns the microelectronics of heads with a nuclear charge on approach. Well, or something like that. About electronic warfare, communications, etc. Needless to say. Let bloggers hype and come up with stories. There will be skeptics. So even better? But the work is ongoing. Let no one know about this. EMP weapons are a myth. Everyone calm down. wink
  38. +1
    3 November 2023 04: 28
    If it had been available, then in 1.5 years it would definitely have been turned on at least once. And so - just a piece of gossip for gossip
  39. +2
    3 November 2023 05: 16
    This “superweapon” is already 30 years old, if not more. Then they wrote about him in various publications. But the effect is not that significant. That's why it is not used.
  40. -1
    3 November 2023 10: 55
    And where is our analogue of Peresvet, which can easily shoot down drones for some reason there is silence?
  41. 0
    3 November 2023 23: 58
    Developments on the topic of wagon and trolley. Okry, Niokry. Prototypes. Work has not stopped since Soviet times. The Moscow Region has warehouses of this stuff in prototypes. Maybe something will move. A year ago it was sad. KRET also had enough of its own work. And then to raise such a topic. From the available elemental base, a large rocket is really needed. Well, or 3 Kamaz. It depends on what to do. And from a hard-to-reach one, you can put it on a larger drone. Or to the Tiger. It depends on the task. It’s interesting that our enemies support our developments more than our native MO.
  42. +1
    4 November 2023 00: 32
    Another article where a scientist raped a journalist. Horror stories were torn out from the yellow press and tied to incomprehensible rumors. I was especially amused by the moments where import bottling experts “remind” that electronic weapons are capable of destroying equipment at a distance and can destroy entire armies.
    Do they take a neutron star as an example? Indeed, with a diameter of 1 km, its magnetic field alone can shatter an army into atoms and actually undermine the tank’s ammunition load right in the ammunition rack, and, moreover, along with the entire tank.
    What level of mediocrity must one consider VO readers to write something like this?
    Having previously frightened the reader, the publication reports that the Alabuga electromagnetic missile has been created in Russia. It is capable of disabling all electronics within a 2,3 mile radius.

    What if there are no electronics there? It's a stupid corded automatic telephone exchange and from it there is a vole to the TAP-57.
  43. 0
    4 November 2023 00: 52
    This whole topic with EMP charges is reminiscent of the same fuss with a variable saw as with a laser weapon, which, according to the physical principle, is also a source of EMP, only directed and with a flat wave front. Therefore, it can “shoot” energy over tens of kilometers.
    In fact, it can be done much easier if we remember that gamma radiation also belongs to electromagnetic radiation (EMR), only with very good penetrating and damaging ability. There is no need to come up with anything clever here, except for the carrier, the control system of which must withstand a harsh range, but it is better if it is well shielded.
    And then everything is very simple. Some isotopes of sodium (the one found in table salt and soda) can have a range higher than Co 60 with a half-life of several days or hours.
    A balloon with such a little battery can deactivate a lot of electronics and not only for several days over large areas. Since many power electrical components are made on semiconductors, it may not only benefit low-current electronics.
  44. 0
    4 November 2023 04: 03
    Quote from barbos
    During a nuclear explosion, no more than 5% of the explosion energy is spent on radiation. And the radiation from a nuclear explosion is not the main thing that is required from this weapon.

    And where is the contradiction?
    1. 0
      7 November 2023 00: 50
      Indeed, what difference does it make that 95% of the energy disappears in the form of a blast wave. But for the remaining 5% we will get an EMP, which will scare everyone. With such success, the cumulative part can be used instead of rocket engines - there is a jet of directed heated gases, very powerful, very directed, although very short-lived.
      And most importantly, I am already tired of citing the Ostrogradsky-Gauss theorem, which explains the operation of the Faraday cage and the screening system in general, for truant physics classes and for humanities students. Just like the fact that for more than 60 (sixty) years, all military electronics are not only installed inside thick-walled closed metal cases, but also have their own hermetic metal case, designed specifically to withstand the effects of EMR from nuclear weapons.
      And at the development stage, numerous stages are carried out, where there is a stage of testing for electromagnetic compatibility, when the product is well fried by microwave radiation.
  45. 0
    4 November 2023 04: 28
    Quote from barbos
    What if there are no electronics there? It's a stupid corded automatic telephone exchange and from it there is a vole to the TAP-57.

    What if, what if. The use of any weapon implies its use against a target that it can hit. You won't use a shotgun against a tank. To use EMP, intelligence (radio, satellite, etc.) must provide a list of objects, and military leadership, when planning operations, must decide when and what to hit. EMP weapons have an auxiliary value and are intended to cover an attack or defensive measures. For example, disabling air defense elements and communications centers in a certain area before a massive strike on the main targets with cruise missiles, drones and aircraft.
    1. 0
      7 November 2023 01: 35
      What if, what if.
      And if you don’t skip physics at school and general subjects at school, then in the Electrostatics section in physics (super light version of Electrodynamics) there is a section devoted to the study of the effect of electric field strength on a closed conducting circuit. Based on this principle, in radio engineering shielding of oscillatory circuits from external sources works, and the blocks and the finished product are protected from third-party EMR.
      If everything was so rosy and wonderful with EMR, as journalists write about it, then it would be used to its fullest extent instead of electronic warfare. What do we see now in the NWO zone? Quite a dense use of electronic warfare on both sides and not even a single rumor of the use of weapons with EMP. Although it would seem, take a scheme for compressing the magnetic field and burn out the enemy’s electronics. Just silence for now. If we take a modern scheme based on compression of spherical waves in a crystal, then the detonation scheme will be more advanced than that of a superlayer and requires long-term work on precision machines, which we practically do not have. So you still need to get the hang of growing a single crystal of strontium iodide. We don’t really know how to grow silicon single crystals, and strontium metal is not a gift. For these purposes, it is easier to use strontium separately. It has rather short-lived and highly emitting isotopes. A Faraday cage will not help against their radiation.
      disable air defense elements in a certain area
      Air defense radar is also a source of EMP. Modern imported ones can easily pump megawatts into the air in an impulse. Only in most cases they sit well hidden in passive mode and this is a very tasty target for reconnaissance. If they are discovered, no one will bother with EMP nonsense, but will level their location with FABs or cruise missiles. In Odessa, they did not spare the Dagger for the US air defense radar.
  46. -1
    6 November 2023 21: 26
    Obviously, the conversation is about the search for new methods and devices for generating an electromagnetic pulse with a higher moment of interruption of the magnetic flux. And from this it follows how to generate this magnetic flux of sufficiently high capacity and potential. It is also obvious that with modern devices and methods this can be achieved if one does not use the method of radial explosive compression. In this case, radial dispersion will not allow the directional algorithm of pulses to be concentrated. In general, the key device should be a completely new and previously unused device in combination with pre-preparation and, so to speak, disruption of the disturbance impulse.
    1. +1
      7 November 2023 01: 53
      generate this magnetic flux of sufficiently high capacity and potential.
      Magnetic flux has neither capacity nor potential simply physically.

      concentrate directional pulse algorithm.
      An algorithm, almost literally, is a method of calculating a function, a sequence of certain actions. The closest example is a recipe for cooking a dish. It cannot be concentrated, much less directed))

      there must be a completely new and previously unused device in combination with pre-preparation and, so to speak, disruption of the disturbance impulse.
      What disruption and what outrage? Why rip something off at all if you just need to compress it very quickly?
  47. 0
    7 November 2023 10: 15
    If you do not understand how magnetic flux works in a dipole, then you cannot understand how voltage is formed in the water carpuscle during cavitation. Let me remind you that the collapse temperature is very high. Therefore, without understanding that temperature, as a physical process, is a derivative of the mathematical process of the stages of magnetic flux formation, it is very difficult to talk about achievements.
    1. 0
      9 November 2023 21: 20
      I completely agree: the collapse of the bubbles is more metallic, which is why the magnet is in the flow and is felt in the resource here and now
  48. +1
    9 November 2023 23: 32
    The article is about nothing. At all. Zero.
  49. 0
    18 January 2024 08: 24
    It looks like one of Chubais' projects.
    As a result, they will say that all the money went into impulse, and the inspectors will find a crying boy among the barrels and pipes...
  50. Elk
    0
    13 February 2024 21: 14
    I started reading, I think “Kirill’s style”, I finished reading like Ryabov :)
    PS Lots of water
  51. 0
    19 February 2024 14: 50
    This type of weapon was written about in the late 80s in Tekhnika-Molodezhi