S-400 air defense system plus A-50U AWACS aircraft: a long-awaited solution with far-reaching consequences

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S-400 air defense system plus A-50U AWACS aircraft: a long-awaited solution with far-reaching consequences

At the end of October 2023, as part of the Russian Special Military Operation (SVO) in Ukraine, one of the most significant events took place - the joint combat operation of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) and the A early warning and control aircraft (AWACS) was ensured -50U. As a result of this “symbiosis”, in one week, 24 aircraft of the enemy, accustomed to flying with impunity at low altitude deep in their territory, were destroyed.

The solution to the problem of ensuring the joint combat operation of the S-400 air defense system and the A-50U AWACS aircraft was long-awaited and will have far-reaching consequences, which we will talk about today.



The problem of interaction of air defense systems with AWACS aircraft was considered by the author back in April 2019 in the article “Interaction between ground-based air defense systems and BBC aircraft”. At the time of writing this article, information about the possibility of pairing Russian air defense systems with AWACS aircraft, as well as about work in this direction, was not available in open sources. Later, already during the SVO, the problem manifested itself in full.

Ukrainian Air Force


Despite the destruction of planes and helicopters of the Ukrainian Air Force by long-range cruise missiles at airfields, as well as by Russian fighters and air defense systems in the air, it was not possible to completely suppress the Ukrainian Air Force. Wherein It was not possible to ensure strategic air supremacy of the Russian Air Force over the territory of Ukraine, primarily due to the comprehensive information support provided to the Ukrainian Armed Forces (AFU) by NATO countries.


In the near future, the latest Australian AWACS aircraft E-7 Wedgetail RAAF should begin patrolling along the borders of Ukraine - this is in addition to the Boeing E-3 Sentry of the USA and other NATO countries

Using the received intelligence data and the “ambush” tactics of using air defense systems, the Ukrainian Armed Forces were able to practically close the territory of Ukraine behind the line of combat contact (LCC) for the BBC of the Russian Federation., at least in terms of manned aircraft.

As a result, having retained part of the existing aircraft fleet, as well as having received Soviet-built combat aircraft from NATO countries, the Ukrainian Air Force could periodically influence the Russian Armed Forces on the LBS, providing limited aviation support for ground units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, however, at the LBS, Ukrainian aviation suffered significant losses, providing ground forces rather with moral support.

Everything changed after NATO countries supply Ukraine with high-precision long-range missiles such as Storm Shadow and SCALP-EG, which are launched using front-line Su-24 bombers and MiG-29 fighters. Gradually, information about the appearance of the Su-24 and MiG-29 on the LBS practically disappeared - apparently, the Ukrainian Armed Forces protect them and use them mainly for launching missile attacks on objects located deep in Russian territory.


High-precision, stealth, long-range cruise missiles pose a significant threat, especially when used in large numbers

Theoretically, Su-35S fighters and MiG-31 interceptors can ensure the destruction of aircraft in the depths of Ukraine using long-range R-37M air-to-air missiles with a firing range of up to 400 kilometers.

It can be assumed that this is what happens, at least in different news On channels, photographs of the Su-35S with R-37M missiles suspended under the fuselage periodically appear. Nevertheless, it is not yet possible to say that the Ukrainian Air Force has ceased to exist.

The disadvantage of Su-Z5S fighters and MiG-31 interceptors armed with long-range R-37M missiles is that their duty time in the air is extremely limited, which wastes precious aircraft resources.

In addition, it can be assumed that the Ukrainian Armed Forces promptly receive information about the takeoff and patrol routes of Russian Air Force aircraft, which allows them to use “windows” to carry out strikes when Russian Air Force fighters are not in the air or when they are moving in the opposite direction.


The Su-35S goes hunting - two R-37M long-range V-V missiles are visible under the fuselage. Image from TG channel Fighterbomber

How can a combination of S-400+ air defense systems and A-50U AWACS affect this situation?

Air Force+Air Defense


In general, the interaction of the Air Force and ground-based air defense (air defense) systems, that is, ensuring the joint combat work of fighters and interceptors with air defense systems, is a complex organizational task, within the framework of which the problem of “friendly fire” first arises, when their own air defense systems shoot down their own planes and helicopters.

This problem fully manifested itself during the Second World War, and subsequently, even despite the emergence of “friend or foe” systems, losses of planes and helicopters from “friendly fire” accompany almost all major military conflicts on the planet.

Nowadays, the situation is complicated by the use of technologies to reduce visibility and measures to increase secrecy (maximum secrecy is needed - there is no radio exchange - coordination of actions becomes more complicated - the likelihood of “friendly fire” increases). Wherein it is extremely difficult to ensure effective operation of air defense without the involvement of aviation, primarily due to the curvature of the Earth’s surface and changes in terrain, limiting the detection range of low-flying airplanes and helicopters.

For example, when attacking surface ships with low-flying anti-ship missiles (ASM), the visibility range of the ships' air defense systems is limited by the radio horizon line. As a result, with the massive use of anti-ship missiles, ships simply may not have time to repel the attack. This problem can be solved in two ways - by ensuring that attacking anti-ship missiles are destroyed by fighter-interceptors (which brings us back to the problem of “friendly fire”) or by defeating anti-ship missiles using anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM) beyond the radio horizon.


Limitation of the radar viewing range due to the curvature of the earth's surface allows enemy aircraft to operate at low altitudes, avoiding destruction by ground-based air defense systems

Based on information posted in open sources, this is how the problem of low-flying targets was solved in the US Navy. The destruction of attacking anti-ship missiles is ensured by issuing “over-the-horizon” target designation for missiles from the carrier-based Hawkeye AWACS aircraft. The final guidance to the target is carried out by the missile defense system itself with the help of its active radar homing head (ARLGSN). The possibility of distributing targets between missiles after they have been launched from a Hawkeye AWACS aircraft is questionable, so as not to have a situation where several missiles attack one anti-ship missile, while other anti-ship missiles quietly fly by.

Now, finally, the RF Armed Forces have received such an opportunity.

S-400 air defense system + A-50U AWACS aircraft


There are several questions regarding the interaction between the S-400 air defense system and A-50U AWACS aircraft: first of all, what kind of missile defense systems are used?

The most logical assumption is the use of 9M96E2/9M96M missiles with ARLGSN, which have a firing range of up to 135 kilometers, as well as 40N6E missiles with a firing range of up to 380 kilometers. The use of 9M96E missiles with ARLGSN and 9M100E with an infrared homing head (IR homing head), with a firing range of 40 and 15 kilometers, respectively, is most likely possible, but practically hardly makes sense.

As for the 48N6 family of missiles with semi-active radar guidance, their use for target designation of A-50U AWACS aircraft is most likely unlikely, if technically feasible at all.


SAM 9M96E2 with ARLGSN

The second question is the possibility of distributing targets between missile defense systems after their launch, which we discussed above in relation to the US Navy. In principle, this is not so critical for hitting single targets deep in the trajectory of Ukraine, however to repel massive attacks by air attack weapons, including in the context of the tasks of the Russian Navy, the distribution of targets between missiles after their launch is of great importance.

As for hitting targets in the depths of Ukraine, the ability to correct the flight path of a missile defense system is necessary when firing at a long range, since during the flight of a missile defense system at a distance of 200–400 kilometers, the target can sharply change the flight direction, as a result of which it simply does not fall into the field of view ARLGSN ZUR.

The third question, or rather a block of questions: do we have one AWACS aircraft, the A-50U, capable of operating in conjunction with the S-400, or can all aircraft of this type do this? If not all, then what is required to have “all” – a software update or a hardware upgrade? If this is a hardware upgrade, how complex and time-consuming is it?


The question is how many A-50U AWACS aircraft can already operate in conjunction with the S-400 air defense system?

Conclusions


Regardless of whether the missiles launched by the S-400 air defense system are provided with trajectory correction based on commands from the A-50U AWACS aircraft, the realized possibility of over-the-horizon destruction of enemy aircraft and helicopters is of great importance.

In combination with the actions of Su-35S fighters and MiG-31 interceptors, armed with long-range R-37M missiles, attacks on airfields carried out with the help of long-range missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs)-kamikazes of the “Geran-2” and “Lancet” type “, as well as the joint operation of the S-400 air defense system and A-50U AWACS aircraft against low-flying targets deep in the territory of Ukraine, could lead to the complete loss of the Ukrainian Air Force’s ability to conduct combat operations in the air as a result of the loss of all combat aircraft.

This will lead to the inability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to use long-range missiles like Storm Shadow and SCALP-EG, at least until some way is found to launch them from ground-based launchers (PU). In turn, this could potentially lead to an increase in the supply of ATACMS operational-tactical missiles launched from ground-based HIMARS launchers.

At the same time, this could potentially lead to NATO countries refusing to supply Ukraine with combat aircraft produced by Western countries, including the cancellation of the announced supply of F-16 fighter jets - it is unlikely that the United States will want to simply get rid of these aircraft, pointlessly exposing them to Russian missiles, especially since taking into account the possibility of escalation of the conflict in the Middle East.

The likelihood of the complete destruction of the BBC of Ukraine will largely depend on whether the BBC of the Russian Federation will be able to ensure continuous control of the airspace of Ukraine to the entire depth of its territory. In turn, this depends on whether all the AWACS and A-400U aircraft available to the Russian Air Force are capable of working in conjunction with the S-50 air defense system or how quickly they can be upgraded to this.

The implementation of the possibility of joint operation of air defense systems and AWACS aircraft once again emphasizes the need to increase the number of these machines in the BBC of the Russian Federation, including in the form of some ersatz solutions that can be developed relatively quickly, produced at minimal cost and in fairly large quantities.


Concept of an AWACS aircraft based on the Il-114-300 with conformal placement of antennas of the Irbis radar complex from the Su-35S

Even if for some reason it is not possible to ensure complete control of the territory of Ukraine and destroy the remnants of its aviation, then with a high probability the enemy will still have to push back the boundaries of the use of long-range missiles, which will lead to a significant decrease in their effectiveness.
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  1. +28
    31 October 2023 04: 46
    They saw, compared, appreciated. True, we have only 6 A-50 aircraft for five military districts... As for the A-100, it is still in development.
    It seems to me that for full-fledged work in the Northern Military District area, at least three A-50 units are required (for rotation and timely maintenance).
    As for the author’s concern about shifts to the right, this has become the hallmark of any bourgeois process.
    Profit, profit and nothing but profit...
    1. +18
      31 October 2023 04: 57
      Quote: ROSS 42
      True, we have only 6 A-50 aircraft for five military districts..

      And once upon a time, in the USSR, more than 30 aircraft were built... And where are they now? Will any of the “effective managers” be at least reprimanded for this?
      1. +20
        31 October 2023 06: 02
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        Will any of the “effective managers” be at least reprimanded for this?

        One “effective manager” will never reprimand another “effective” person like himself. wink
        1. +31
          31 October 2023 08: 51
          If we discard the propaganda from these messages, it turns out that the military-political leadership of our country is not capable of building and managing a modern army.
          The basis of ALL modern armies of the world is the ability to receive intelligence information in the most complete volume and ensure the timely destruction of identified targets, for which it is also necessary to ensure control of all branches of the military.
          Space reconnaissance, AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft are the most important components for any modern army in the world, and it is their presence or absence that makes an army either modern or backward. S-400, Onyx and Caliber, Zircon and R-37M and other long-range missiles of various classes and their carriers are useless without aviation and space detection and target designation means.

          Could anything be done? If you think about it, yes. We have an excellent base for AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft in the form of Tu-204/214, there are several dozen aircraft in storage, there is a KAPO capable of building 10 such aircraft per year, there are a bunch of enterprises producing various radars, there are enterprises engaged in the construction AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft, everything is there, there is just no political decision from above, and it looks like there won’t be any more. And so far the destruction of military-industrial complex enterprises is underway. So in 2020, Chemezov’s gang destroyed Phasatron, but this enterprise developed the first AFAR in our country for the MiG-35 and now could participate in the creation of a new mass-produced AWACS or RTR aircraft.

          As for quickly putting together something, then, alas, it won’t work, to create such complex aircraft as an AWACS, RTR or PLO aircraft you need time and effort, as well as adequate leadership and, first of all, you need to change the government, change Shoigu and Gerasimov, Chemezov and his gang from Rostec, Manturov and other crooks and embezzlers for those who can and want to build a combat-ready army.
          Without this, our Uryapatrites will still rejoice at pairing one of the five or six AWACS aircraft based on Western technologies of the 90s with the S-400 and destroying several targets with such a system instead of all of this becoming a system. If we now had a system of combinations of AWACS/RTR aircraft - Su-34/Su-57/S-400 - long-range missiles, the enemy would have had neither air defense nor aviation for a long time, and UAV attacks would have been repulsed, plus a combination of ASW aircraft, generations Poseidon - Su-34/Su-57/corvette 20380/frigate 22350 and there would have been no attacks by surface/underwater drones and thousands of our guys would have been alive and in service, and the SVO would have already ended.
          1. +4
            31 October 2023 23: 36
            We have an excellent base for AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft in the form of Tu-204/214,

            The presence of an aircraft airframe is not yet the basis for creating a modern AWACS. The most important thing in its creation is the electronic filling, hardware and software. But this is a problem in our country. Since there is practically no electronic database for this. The history of long-term construction with A-100 AWACS confirms this. Due to the lack of our own electronic components, the A-100 project was first carried out abroad. And after the introduction of sanctions, this project had to be redone and create its own components and systems on them. It takes time and a lot of effort. That’s why we still don’t have the A-100 in the army.
            1. +3
              1 November 2023 10: 38
              Quote: wladimirjankov
              The presence of an aircraft airframe is not yet the basis for creating a modern AWACS. The most important thing in its creation is the electronic filling, hardware and software.

              Nope... the most important thing begins when they try to cram all this stuff into the existing body, and in such a way that it does not kill the aerodynamics and does not conflict with the avionics of the base aircraft.
          2. +1
            1 November 2023 21: 16
            Who will be responsible for the export to the United States of top-secret military equipment for strategic purposes, RD-180 rocket engines, with the help of which the United States launched military satellites into orbit, which now transmit intelligence information to the armed forces of Ukraine in real time?
            Where are our military satellites?
            Where are our radio-technical troops, which are supposed to provide anti-aircraft missile forces with target designations?
            We had all this in the middle of the last century, but now, in times of network-centric wars, we have neither full-fledged electronic reconnaissance nor communications.
            How an air-to-air missile can be longer-range than a surface-to-air anti-aircraft missile is a technical absurdity, because the military-industrial complex is headed by philologists, and corporations like Almaz-Antey are headed by KGB officers who don’t understand anything about weapons like anti-aircraft missile systems.
          3. 0
            2 November 2023 12: 51
            Quote: ramzay21
            ... to discard the propaganda from these messages, it turns out that the military-political leadership of our country is not capable of building and managing a modern army..
            Seems to me that Arbat Military District stuck in the dashing 90s and lagged behind reality, and there are problems with setting priorities: they prefer Makarevich... I would like to believe that lessons will be learned and the North Military District will give birth to a new formation of government managers; the current ones are in circulation, and some are under white hands....
          4. +2
            4 November 2023 20: 18
            Well, where will you put the Guarantor in this situation? These are his friends, his team, his faithful and devoted “effective” managers, of whom he is so proud and with whom he has been building a “great” Russia for 23 years...
          5. +2
            16 December 2023 20: 47
            Bad boyars - good tsar? Are you afraid to say who holds them in these positions and appointed them? And HIM needs to be changed too, he is responsible for everything.
          6. 0
            23 February 2024 23: 41
            Quote: ramzay21
            The military-political leadership of our country is not capable of building and managing a modern army.

            The most “effective” manager says that they are doing everything right... In the garden they are “just rushing”...
            Quote: ramzay21
            Chemezov's gang destroyed

            Recently, people received decent sentences for “attacking” the said hero; now sometimes they don’t give that much for murder.

            Or the blood clot will come off (God forbid)...

            Stay safe. hi
          7. 0
            26 February 2024 10: 15
            Chubais’s work to destroy the country’s industry and defense is alive and continues, even during the SVO, it can’t be called anything other than sabotage and no one is responsible for anything, even if you destroy an enterprise, even a battalion, everything is quiet and smooth, only Yeltsin centers they work at state expense, when will this end?
        2. +18
          31 October 2023 10: 15
          I won’t pretend to be the smartest, I’m one of those who didn’t imagine that Russia would ever have to fight NATO in a non-nuclear war. And naturally, the production of thousands of tanks, artillery pieces and even aircraft with a service life of 10-15 years before being written off seemed a waste of money. Like, it’s unlikely that all this will be needed after the exchange of thousands of nuclear strikes, and we need to rely on strategic weapons and not spread ourselves too thin.
          I believe that not only I, who was absolutely far from running the state, thought so, but also the majority in the government. And any requests from the military were considered through the prism of preserving their general positions and salaries, especially if the topic did not relate to strategic weapons.
          But I see how many smart and perspicacious people are on this forum, who always knew what the army and navy needed, in what quantities and nomenclature... Even if it was to the detriment of roads, apartments and the “sausage” in the refrigerator. And how are people born so smart and insightful? And when I reached retirement, I remained such a fool and naive, believing that there would never be a trench war with NATO, and for local conflicts on the side, you don’t need much. But how nice it is now to read the comments of smart people who knew and foresaw everything in advance.... Literally one by one, how many A50-Us are needed for the whole countrylaughing laughing fellow
          1. +3
            31 October 2023 12: 51
            ...not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!!! good
          2. +9
            31 October 2023 17: 20
            But I see how many smart and perspicacious people are on this forum, who always knew what the army and navy needed, in what quantity and nomenclature...

            And you read the articles by Timokhin and Klimov, which they wrote long before the start of the SVO, and it will become clear that the overwhelming majority of our leadership is in the wrong place.
            And by the way, a lot of money was allocated for the army and weapons, but it was spent stupidly.
            1. +1
              1 January 2024 23: 53
              Why read, there are so many lies as there have never been under this government. You are too much right! But this doesn’t make it any easier for the guys on the front end. Two pieces from the Russian Defense Ministry are definitely not on their board. Prigogine was rude, yes, but to the point. After the march, the Rostovites wrote off the money lamas. The people were for Prigozhin, in our South for sure. Why did you have to do so much work and then leave Gostomel, because they were standing near Kiev? Why negotiations? PMCs have long spoken for Belgorod. Are you prepared? Nobody is responsible for anything. The incompetent attitude towards responsibilities is amazing. Who was removed, who has more brains? When will our patio be cleaned out? Sobchak was left to relieve himself in front of the Kuranarants. Will she be punished? It’s a complete mess. They also laughed at Brezhnev, but he had Ustinov.
          3. -1
            6 November 2023 11: 11
            You can’t think of a more accurate comment for the local “experts”!)))
          4. -1
            6 November 2023 11: 12
            You can’t think of a more accurate comment for the local “experts”!)))
            1. 0
              9 November 2023 17: 25
              Spleen, right? Mdk mda mda
          5. 0
            9 November 2023 17: 25
            Saburov Alexander, if you are stupid, doesn’t that mean everyone is like that?
            Can't there be a regular war between NATO and us? Do events like the Korean War tell you anything? The Vietnam War? Doesn’t the presence of a large number of our former territories around the Russian Federation, where conflicts occur, tell you anything?

            Does the conflict in Ukraine that began in 2013 say nothing? No?

            Does the war in Syria mean anything to you?

            If all this tells you that there can be no war with NATO, then you are the same as our parquet generals. That's all.

            And they talked about satellites, reconnaissance, electronic warfare, UAVs, obdi equipment from 2013 to 2022. And even until 2000. As well as the fact that Russia cannot have an Army of 700 thousand people. Even 1 million is not enough.

            If my memory serves me right, Serdyuk at one time reduced the army to 700-800 thousand.

            So, alas, they only smeared themselves with your poop.
    2. +3
      31 October 2023 05: 33
      When an IL-100 with a “saucer” flew by, unexpectedly about 76 meters away from me, I thought it was a UFO. A powerful spectacle.
    3. +2
      31 October 2023 11: 01
      In my opinion, driving AWACS for flare and air targets is a bit cool. Still, this is primarily an air radar - a command post for controlling the air situation. A UAV with a radar will be better able to handle the task of illumination. The same BRLO Irbis. Mattresses drive Hawks over the Black Sea.
      1. 0
        31 October 2023 11: 08
        Indeed, we need to equip them with R-37s to quickly eliminate targets!
    4. -6
      1 November 2023 19: 40
      Bourgeois processes have made it possible to build a very efficient economy in the Russian Federation, in which a shortage of anything is not even expected. While the Soviet Union is known for producing hundreds of weapons, while people stand in line for bread and toilet paper.
      1. 0
        16 December 2023 21: 23
        Vladimir Vladimirovich, re-login!
      2. +1
        1 January 2024 23: 56
        What sources is this from? Do you know how the traitor EBN was brought to power? There was a lot of meat, but no one accepted it for processing. It was dangerous to take it to Moscow. Do you know how many examples there were? Artificial planned differential.
    5. 0
      9 November 2023 19: 53
      A-50U - 8 pcs. At least another 5 a-50m
    6. 0
      16 December 2023 11: 08
      then this became the hallmark of any bourgeois process.


      Many of our military experts (real experts, not from TG, with shoulder straps and academic degrees), believe that ONLY private companies should produce weapons. Our Russian problem is that we have a) capitalism that is “neither fish nor fowl”, and b) we always live in conditions of force majeure.
      Well, c) we are really a “connecting rod”: without bringing one system to fruition, we break it and start building a new one, it does not give quick results and we break that too.

      The Americans have no shifts to the right; they build aircraft carriers faster than we build boats, and all this is done by private owners.


      Profit, profit and nothing but profit...


      I don’t know about you, but 99,99% of people work and work for money, and always want to get more. At the same time, it does not matter in what country and system; in the USSR, you will be surprised, there were no altruists in the majority either.
  2. +15
    31 October 2023 05: 10
    In addition to AWACS aircraft, we need electronic warfare and reconnaissance aircraft. The failure in civil aviation aircraft still reverberates. We have to fly large A 50s, which the cat cried for. We would like something like Hawkeye or the Swedish Global Eye. To constantly hang in the air, But, the lack of suitable sides affects....
    1. +6
      31 October 2023 05: 27
      I think the issue is not the lack of aircraft, but the lack of appropriate filling - we can’t make it ourselves, and no one will sell it from abroad. And they would have found the planes - the Ministry of Defense still operates the Tu-154, Tu-134, Il-62, and there are Il-86s somewhere. There would be at least a dozen aircraft, and I don’t care about the supposed noise of the engines and inefficiency, the Americans are not shy about operating the B-707 to this day, and the plane was developed back in the days of Khrushchev... hi
      1. +6
        31 October 2023 08: 56
        There is a Tu-204 and there is an enterprise capable of building it, there are still enterprises capable of producing AFAR, there are still employees from the Phasatron destroyed by Chemezov, whom it is also possible to organize, because they made the first AFAR in our country, if they were not lured away by the Chinese, of course. But this takes time, the process of installing the equipment and its pairing is not at all quick, and it’s not possible to simply stick an AFAR from the MiG-35 to the Tu-154.
        1. +4
          31 October 2023 10: 36
          I listed Soviet aircraft because they exist here and now, I perceive everything in the Future tense relatively skeptically, especially since the Tu-204, thanks to our Medvedev and Co., is now urgently needed by civil air carriers.
          And as for the enterprises producing military electronics, I am not sure - after all, an AWACS aircraft is not just an aircraft with an antenna, it is a multi-level system, otherwise we would already have A-100 Premier flying with all their might, but they don’t fly and the question here is not in flying platform, but in the loss of competencies in many industries. hi
      2. +1
        31 October 2023 11: 35
        What's the filling? We install radars with filling on ships, and on the ground for air defense there are radars with filling. Why can’t this filling be crammed into the IL-76?
        1. 0
          31 October 2023 12: 58
          If there is a filling, even if not the most fashionable, then the sides of the Il-76 should be enough, in connection with the “landing” of the landing force after the failure of the Kyiv operation. So you need to get down to business more boldly.
          1. 0
            31 October 2023 19: 21
            Minusators ...
            The medium must be standard...
            You're not going to service an air zoo!
  3. +9
    31 October 2023 05: 14
    The combination of the S-400 with the A-50U, that is, the ability to hit targets outside the range of the division’s radar using an active missile homing head, is truly a great achievement.
    If this is done, then this is wonderful and should be implemented as widely as possible, producing the appropriate missiles and modernizing the A-50.
    The only question is that we know about this only in relation to Shoigu’s stories about the shooting down of 24 planes in a week, and there is no evidence of this yet.
    It is clear that the enemy is not interested in unnecessary publicity, but 24 aircraft (an entire regiment) is not a needle in a haystack, especially in the conditions of the modern information society. So you just have to wait. If you confirm at least 8 sides (an exaggeration of three times, God bless him), then you can and should really rejoice.
    P/S. If only our air defense could be weaned from shooting at our sides, there would be no price for it, otherwise the losses from “friendly fire” would be too much.
  4. +12
    31 October 2023 05: 28
    In the past, science fiction writer Damantsev wrote for Military Review. For some reason, while reading this publication, I immediately remembered him. wassat
    1. +13
      31 October 2023 06: 45
      Quote: Tucan
      In the past, science fiction writer Damantsev wrote for Military Review. For some reason, while reading this publication, I immediately remembered him. wassat

      It is obvious that neither the ever-memorable Damantsev nor his “heir” in terms of non-scientific fiction Mitrofanov served in the armed forces, and have the most superficial understanding of the specifics of air defense.
    2. +2
      31 October 2023 11: 01
      Quote: Tucan
      In the past, science fiction writer Damantsev wrote for Military Review.

      And I remember him sometimes! It even happens, sometimes, that it’s a pity that Zhenechka stopped appearing at VO! There was something in his articles that was so... "childishly naive"! Maybe he'll come back again?
    3. +4
      31 October 2023 12: 12
      Quote: Tucan
      In the past, science fiction writer Damantsev wrote for Military Review. For some reason, while reading this publication, I immediately remembered him. wassat

      At first I also thought about Damantsev. But no, there are too few abbreviations.
      Although there is potential, yes... smile
      The most logical assumption is the use of 9M96E2/9M96M missiles with ARLGSN, which have a firing range of up to 135 kilometers, as well as 40N6E missiles with a firing range of up to 380 kilometers. The use of 9M96E missiles with ARLGSN and 9M100E with an infrared homing head (IR homing head), with a firing range of 40 and 15 kilometers, respectively, is most likely possible, but practically hardly makes sense.
  5. 0
    31 October 2023 05: 50
    I first saw an airplane with a saucer in the winter of 85/86, while on conscript duty in the ranks of the SA in the field during exercises. And he went nuts, stopping dead in his tracks, fascinated by what he was observing... If he advertised them less in the media now, he would ban them altogether. There has already been an incident in Belarus, why show off again? I don't understand our censorship.
  6. +4
    31 October 2023 06: 56
    The author is an optimist. For every action there is a reaction.
  7. 0
    31 October 2023 07: 06
    Thank you, Andrey for the article.
    Let me doubt that the A-50 is a kind of treasure sword.
    No, of course there is an effect from its use, but it is not a panacea. I think in the near future the enemy (and this is really NATO) will develop a set of countermeasures. They can be the use of decoy targets, electronic warfare equipment, and even actions under Budanov’s department.
    The only effective means against enemy aircraft is the destruction of aircraft and pilots on the ground.
    1. +4
      31 October 2023 15: 55
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      Thank you, Andrey for the article.
      Let me doubt that the A-50 is a kind of treasure sword.
      No, of course there is an effect from its use, but it is not a panacea. I think in the near future the enemy (and this is really NATO) will develop a set of countermeasures. They can be the use of decoy targets, electronic warfare equipment, and even actions under Budanov’s department.
      The only effective means against enemy aircraft is the destruction of aircraft and pilots on the ground.

      In general, as one of the Soviet generals from the Second World War said, the most effective air defense is your own tanks at enemy airfields. Unfortunately, for a number of reasons (including the incompetence of top and other management), this is not yet achievable. hi
      1. 0
        31 October 2023 19: 24
        In general, as one of the Soviet generals from the Second World War said, the most effective air defense is your own tanks at enemy airfields. Unfortunately, for a number of reasons (including the incompetence of top and other management), this is not yet achievable.

        But recruitment, terror (including vodka with lard) and beacons for homing smart warheads are achievable.
  8. +6
    31 October 2023 07: 40
    This is how they wasted the drills, didn’t develop them at all, miraculously saved a few of them, sawed away a lot of them for nothing on the A100, and now they’re biting their elbows. Now they can’t find who is to blame, they know what to do, but the result will not come very soon.
    1. +5
      31 October 2023 11: 38
      It was not the AWACS that was screwed up, but simply R - reconnaissance. How to conduct reconnaissance in parades? Not impressive! And as practice has shown, to destroy aircraft you don’t need an S400 and a super-radar, just elusive saboteurs with copters, or saboteurs with a TNT bomb walking around the airfield, or saboteurs with a poisoned cake.
  9. +12
    31 October 2023 07: 56
    As a result of this “symbiosis”, 24 enemy aircraft were destroyed in one week

    Gentlemen are usually taken at their word)
    1. +5
      31 October 2023 08: 23
      Quote: Zufei
      As a result of this “symbiosis”, 24 enemy aircraft were destroyed in one week

      Gentlemen are usually taken at their word)

      But when "gentlemen" constantly lie, they cease to be gentlemen.
  10. 0
    31 October 2023 09: 17
    I would also add the Yak-130 with short- and medium-range explosive missiles, also based from highways. Well, or there are loitering drones with the same weapons. A IL 114 will also be equipped with explosive missiles
  11. +3
    31 October 2023 09: 30
    It seems that most of the planes were shot down by the greatest ace of all time, Konashenkov. Already on the 4th round he went to shoot down: 515 of the 124 initially available and 42 delivered to Ukraine were shot down. I believe that the activation of archias is connected with the ATACAMS attack on the Berdyansk airfield, which the generals slept through.

    But seriously, according to the same Oryx, Ukraine actually lost more aircraft over the last month than the VKS: 5 versus 2. Primarily due to attacks on airfields with long-range lancets. But in terms of the ratio of helicopter losses, everything is very sad.
    1. 0
      31 October 2023 13: 06
      so we lost a lot of helicopters at the beginning of the Northern Military District
  12. -2
    31 October 2023 09: 59
    The disadvantage of Su-Z5S fighters and MiG-31 interceptors armed with long-range R-37M missiles is that their duty time in the air is extremely limited, which wastes precious aircraft resources.


    Here, Sukhoi and MiG31 aircraft need to be given the same options for targeting air defense systems and R37M missiles (from other aircraft) and AWACS should also be able to target anti-aircraft and V-V missiles..... and, in general, there should be more AWACS aircraft on alternative civilian ones aircraft type SSZH, MS21, Tu214.
  13. -3
    31 October 2023 10: 46
    It’s not clear why the media covered this all over the Internet and TV? Well, it’s clear that the enemy got around to this at some point, but not right away. In the meantime, they would crack the Ukrfascists' aviation like nuts... Now, as soon as the 50th plane takes off, the FSA will detect and transmit information to the Ukrofashists through satellite reconnaissance... who our media helped... I don’t know, maybe this bunch of “duck” “, would it be nice, if possible, that instead of the A-50 a military satellite would work for target designation?
  14. exo
    +1
    31 October 2023 11: 19
    Quote: ramzay21
    If we discard the propaganda from these messages, it turns out that the military-political leadership of our country is not capable of building and managing a modern army.
    The basis of ALL modern armies of the world is the ability to receive intelligence information in the most complete volume and ensure the timely destruction of identified targets, for which it is also necessary to ensure control of all branches of the military.
    Space reconnaissance, AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft are the most important components for any modern army in the world, and it is their presence or absence that makes an army either modern or backward. S-400, Onyx and Caliber, Zircon and R-37M and other long-range missiles of various classes and their carriers are useless without aviation and space detection and target designation means.

    Could anything be done? If you think about it, yes. We have an excellent base for AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft in the form of Tu-204/214, there are several dozen aircraft in storage, there is a KAPO capable of building 10 such aircraft per year, there are a bunch of enterprises producing various radars, there are enterprises engaged in the construction AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft, everything is there, there is just no political decision from above, and it looks like there won’t be any more. And so far the destruction of military-industrial complex enterprises is underway. So in 2020, Chemezov’s gang destroyed Phasatron, but this enterprise developed the first AFAR in our country for the MiG-35 and now could participate in the creation of a new mass-produced AWACS or RTR aircraft.

    As for quickly putting together something, then, alas, it won’t work, to create such complex aircraft as an AWACS, RTR or PLO aircraft you need time and effort, as well as adequate leadership and, first of all, you need to change the government, change Shoigu and Gerasimov, Chemezov and his gang from Rostec, Manturov and other crooks and embezzlers for those who can and want to build a combat-ready army.
    Without this, our Uryapatrites will still rejoice at pairing one of the five or six AWACS aircraft based on Western technologies of the 90s with the S-400 and destroying several targets with such a system instead of all of this becoming a system. If we now had a system of combinations of AWACS/RTR aircraft - Su-34/Su-57/S-400 - long-range missiles, the enemy would have had neither air defense nor aviation for a long time, and UAV attacks would have been repulsed, plus a combination of ASW aircraft, generations Poseidon - Su-34/Su-57/corvette 20380/frigate 22350 and there would have been no attacks by surface/underwater drones and thousands of our guys would have been alive and in service, and the SVO would have already ended.

    KAPO is unlikely to be able to build ten cars a year. To do this, we need to expand production. The management's plans are not supported by the base and personnel. At the same time, these planes still have to go to airlines that don’t really need them. MS-21 is waiting there. Another thing is that all built vehicles must be given to the military. In different versions: a scout, which has already been created; PLO that needs to be created. And urgently finish the A-100, while simultaneously increasing the production of the updated IL-76. Such opportunities exist in Ulyanovsk.
  15. +1
    31 October 2023 11: 38
    They simply paired a missile from the S400 with an AWACS aircraft. There’s a ton of equipment on the plane, and some kind of station was modified so that it would issue radio commands to the missile and bring it to the point of detonation/activation of its own seeker.
    As for the production of AWACS, we may still find aircraft, but we don’t have electronics.
  16. +1
    31 October 2023 11: 46
    A very strange situation. A YEAR of air defense has passed and only the first use of the AWACS + air defense pair. Although the Americans always show how to destroy targets. Always during raids on the Crimean Bridge, strikes with long-range missiles, a NATO AWACS aircraft is hovering somewhere over Romania
  17. +5
    31 October 2023 13: 38
    Interfacing AWACS and control aircraft with combat aircraft has been working in the West for decades. And it works successfully in Ukraine against the enemy. What exactly prevented us from doing this earlier? Were you busy, cutting the budget? Who will bear responsibility?
    1. 0
      31 October 2023 17: 47
      So...maybe they just don’t mate?
    2. 0
      1 November 2023 20: 01
      Quote: Olive1
      Interfacing AWACS and control aircraft with combat aircraft has been working in the West for decades. And it works successfully in Ukraine against the enemy. What exactly prevented us from doing this earlier? Were you busy, cutting the budget? Who will bear responsibility?

      What are you carrying!?
      Clearly you (and other critics) are confusing two different schemes.
      Indeed, for many decades there has been a scheme when an AWACS, having detected a target, reports its coordinates to a fighter or air defense system. After this, the fighter or air defense system, knowing the approximate coordinates of the target, points its radar at this sector and quickly detects the target itself. This is where the role of the AWACS ended.
      Now in Ukraine they use a completely different scheme.
      AWACS not only provides initial detection, but also ensures missile guidance to the target, with certainty of hitting the target. The fighter's own radars or air defense systems do not turn on at all.
      This scheme greatly increases the ability to hit a target in a number of cases.
      And this is much more complicated than the first scheme.
      Suffice it to say that in the West (which you mentioned), this scheme was first successfully tested in exercises only 3 years ago.
      And in combat conditions, we were the first in the world to use this scheme!
      1. +1
        9 November 2023 17: 19
        And Americans have been using this scheme for many 10 years. Why shine on fighters if they can destroy targets through drills without turning on their radar? But we have parquet friends of one figure everywhere...
  18. 0
    31 October 2023 14: 27
    Despite the destruction of planes and helicopters of the Ukrainian Air Force with long-range cruise missiles at airfields, as well as Russian fighters and air defense systems in the air, it was not possible to completely suppress the Ukrainian Air Force
    Let's start with the fact that this did not work out for the United States and its hangers-on in 1991 over Iraq. Not in 1999 over Yugoslavia. Considering the number of Iraqi and Yugoslav Air Force aircraft, their condition, maintenance and repair capabilities, supply of spare parts and components, and of course information support.
  19. osp
    +2
    31 October 2023 14: 55
    Quote:
    “This will lead to the inability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to use long-range missiles like Storm Shadow and SCALP-EG, at least until some way is found to launch them from ground-based launchers (PU).”

    So the next step is the approach of German Taurus missiles with a range of 600 km, and then possibly American missiles with a range of up to 1000 km.
    There is no doubt that sooner or later they will be given.
  20. osp
    -1
    31 October 2023 14: 58
    Quote: ramzay21
    If we discard the propaganda from these messages, it turns out that the military-political leadership of our country is not capable of building and managing a modern army.
    The basis of ALL modern armies of the world is the ability to receive intelligence information in the most complete volume and ensure the timely destruction of identified targets, for which it is also necessary to ensure control of all branches of the military.
    Space reconnaissance, AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft are the most important components for any modern army in the world, and it is their presence or absence that makes an army either modern or backward. S-400, Onyx and Caliber, Zircon and R-37M and other long-range missiles of various classes and their carriers are useless without aviation and space detection and target designation means.

    Could anything be done? If you think about it, yes. We have an excellent base for AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft in the form of Tu-204/214, there are several dozen aircraft in storage, there is a KAPO capable of building 10 such aircraft per year, there are a bunch of enterprises producing various radars, there are enterprises engaged in the construction AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft, everything is there, there is just no political decision from above, and it looks like there won’t be any more. And so far the destruction of military-industrial complex enterprises is underway. So in 2020, Chemezov’s gang destroyed Phasatron, but this enterprise developed the first AFAR in our country for the MiG-35 and now could participate in the creation of a new mass-produced AWACS or RTR aircraft.

    As for quickly putting together something, then, alas, it won’t work, to create such complex aircraft as an AWACS, RTR or PLO aircraft you need time and effort, as well as adequate leadership and, first of all, you need to change the government, change Shoigu and Gerasimov, Chemezov and his gang from Rostec, Manturov and other crooks and embezzlers for those who can and want to build a combat-ready army.
    Without this, our Uryapatrites will still rejoice at pairing one of the five or six AWACS aircraft based on Western technologies of the 90s with the S-400 and destroying several targets with such a system instead of all of this becoming a system. If we now had a system of combinations of AWACS/RTR aircraft - Su-34/Su-57/S-400 - long-range missiles, the enemy would have had neither air defense nor aviation for a long time, and UAV attacks would have been repulsed, plus a combination of ASW aircraft, generations Poseidon - Su-34/Su-57/corvette 20380/frigate 22350 and there would have been no attacks by surface/underwater drones and thousands of our guys would have been alive and in service, and the SVO would have already ended.

    There are no traces of dozens of Tu-204/214s in storage.
    All that can be restored is urgently restored by the airlines.
    The maximum that can be found is 3-4 sides, no more.
    Heavily dismantled. The rest are either cut or with expired resources.
    1. 0
      31 October 2023 16: 31
      where did the Tu-204/214 expired? where did you fly? We still have An-12s older than me...
      1. osp
        +1
        31 October 2023 18: 16
        https://russianplanes.net/planelist/Tupolev/Tu-204/214

        Do you have any more questions?
        A pair of Tu-214 from Dalavia produced in 2001 have been scrapped.
        There are another 5 cars in storage, of which 2-3 can be restored.
        Although airlines want to recover more.

        There are more Tu-204s in storage, but many have been dismantled for spare parts.
        Everything is there in the registry.
        1. 0
          1 November 2023 07: 03
          Do you have any more questions?
          - I have no more questions hi
          1. 0
            1 November 2023 15: 12
            Quote: faiver
            I have no more questions

            But in vain. This provocateur is always pulling information from who knows where, including yellow and amateur sites - and telling us all here that we are finished, and that, most likely, we will not have time to reach the cemetery... arguing this with data from public sources, which he is trying to pass off as official. Although, as you understand, no one will post the official ones anywhere.

            And Russian Plains is exactly the same amateur site, where data was simply collected based on what could be seen with the naked eye of an ordinary user. And even the creators themselves, when they closed (at first forever, but then decided to open again) - placed special emphasis on the amateur and volunteer nature of the site, as well as on the UNRELIABILITY and APPROXIMATENESS of this information.

            Here is its stub while it was closed:


            And here is a news story that describes this site in detail (including the fact that this is just a hobby site for its enthusiastic creator):
            https://www.newsru.com/russia/27feb2018/russianplanesdown.html
      2. 0
        28 January 2024 19: 40
        If you read an interview with the former director of Krasnye Krylya, then initially the service life of the 204/214 airframe was small, the Tupolev people said we’ll extend it later, you need to look at the new machine, when he came out, the Tupolev people rolled out such a price tag for extending the life of the aircraft that with the words “nunah these greedy freaks” the Wings switched to Boeings.
  21. +2
    31 October 2023 15: 27
    Lord, how long can this fake be discussed, the next stage will be a 5-volume monograph on the topic “A-50 + S-400 = victory in the Northern Military District.” It would be nice if this was an operation to disinform the enemy, but it’s not, the Ukrainians know exactly the reason for the plane crash, but they just can’t understand the “physics of the process.” But they will probably guess that the “fifty hundred”, which have not come out of the sky one after another for a year and a half (!), clearly have nothing to do with it.
  22. -3
    31 October 2023 16: 11
    The Russian government is not capable....how much have we been fighting.....as always, Yaroslavl’s tears, howls and groans, how everything is bad in the comments....24 Maidanenwaffe planes were knocked down!!! That's what's important!!!
  23. +2
    31 October 2023 17: 44
    The one who stuck next to the title of the article a picture of an A50 landing against the background of an air defense missile launch is clearly far from weapons in general and the work of aviation and air defense in particular
  24. +4
    31 October 2023 17: 50
    Quote: exo
    Quote: ramzay21
    If we discard the propaganda from these messages, it turns out that the military-political leadership of our country is not capable of building and managing a modern army.
    The basis of ALL modern armies of the world is the ability to receive intelligence information in the most complete volume and ensure the timely destruction of identified targets, for which it is also necessary to ensure control of all branches of the military.
    Space reconnaissance, AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft are the most important components for any modern army in the world, and it is their presence or absence that makes an army either modern or backward. S-400, Onyx and Caliber, Zircon and R-37M and other long-range missiles of various classes and their carriers are useless without aviation and space detection and target designation means.

    Could anything be done? If you think about it, yes. We have an excellent base for AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft in the form of Tu-204/214, there are several dozen aircraft in storage, there is a KAPO capable of building 10 such aircraft per year, there are a bunch of enterprises producing various radars, there are enterprises engaged in the construction AWACS, RTR and PLO aircraft, everything is there, there is just no political decision from above, and it looks like there won’t be any more. And so far the destruction of military-industrial complex enterprises is underway. So in 2020, Chemezov’s gang destroyed Phasatron, but this enterprise developed the first AFAR in our country for the MiG-35 and now could participate in the creation of a new mass-produced AWACS or RTR aircraft.

    As for quickly putting together something, then, alas, it won’t work, to create such complex aircraft as an AWACS, RTR or PLO aircraft you need time and effort, as well as adequate leadership and, first of all, you need to change the government, change Shoigu and Gerasimov, Chemezov and his gang from Rostec, Manturov and other crooks and embezzlers for those who can and want to build a combat-ready army.
    Without this, our Uryapatrites will still rejoice at pairing one of the five or six AWACS aircraft based on Western technologies of the 90s with the S-400 and destroying several targets with such a system instead of all of this becoming a system. If we now had a system of combinations of AWACS/RTR aircraft - Su-34/Su-57/S-400 - long-range missiles, the enemy would have had neither air defense nor aviation for a long time, and UAV attacks would have been repulsed, plus a combination of ASW aircraft, generations Poseidon - Su-34/Su-57/corvette 20380/frigate 22350 and there would have been no attacks by surface/underwater drones and thousands of our guys would have been alive and in service, and the SVO would have already ended.

    KAPO is unlikely to be able to build ten cars a year. To do this, we need to expand production. The management's plans are not supported by the base and personnel. At the same time, these planes still have to go to airlines that don’t really need them. MS-21 is waiting there. Another thing is that all built vehicles must be given to the military. In different versions: a scout, which has already been created; PLO that needs to be created. And urgently finish the A-100, while simultaneously increasing the production of the updated IL-76. Such opportunities exist in Ulyanovsk.

    “Finishing” the A100 - you noticed that correctly. The cutting of the budget there was serious, everything calmed down around 2016. Everything that was possible was cut
  25. +2
    31 October 2023 17: 54
    Quote: ROSS 42
    They saw, compared, appreciated. True, we have only 6 A-50 aircraft for five military districts... As for the A-100, it is still in development.
    It seems to me that for full-fledged work in the Northern Military District area, at least three A-50 units are required (for rotation and timely maintenance).
    As for the author’s concern about shifts to the right, this has become the hallmark of any bourgeois process.
    Profit, profit and nothing but profit...

    There are 9 planes, although some still have the old stuffing. But, given that everyone was waiting (I’m not sure if they are still waiting) for the A100, I can assume that the 50U’s hardware is also far from modern technology.
    As for the 5 military districts, all aircraft are based at one airfield. We will not write the name so that stupid officials do not consider this a disclosure of well-known information.
  26. Aag
    +1
    31 October 2023 20: 13
    ... And right there, on “VO”, only in the “News” section there is an article: “... since the beginning of the month, FIGHTERS have shot down 31 planes and three helicopters...”.
    In the comments, colleagues are already asking the question: when will the Navy report the downing of these same aircraft? (((
  27. +1
    1 November 2023 00: 34
    The article is very sparse in terms of information, it was not worth starting to write it - blowing up a short piece of news into a whole article with fabrications is a damn thing, you have to try. There is no information, it is better to remain silent.
  28. 0
    1 November 2023 01: 54
    Pourquoi les Su-57 ne participent pas à la guerre? cela pouvait régler tous les problèmes évoqués par l'auteur
    1. 0
      1 November 2023 11: 08
      Storm Shadow/Scalp-EG!
  29. 0
    1 November 2023 11: 05



    The Ukrainian Armed Forces can adapt the launch of long-range cruise missiles from ground-based launchers! By the way, this is much more effective and safer than using F16!
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  32. 0
    1 November 2023 12: 09


    So there are precision weapons that are cooler (300-400km) than the F16!
  33. 0
    1 November 2023 15: 06
    It’s strange to me that everyone considers the glider as a base for creating AWACS and no one thought
    that in fact it is just a radar raised above the horizon with communication with an air defense system, nor maneuvering speed
    he doesn’t need any other advantages of aviation, so I think that the future belongs to airships,
    they will definitely show themselves in such a conflict. Advantages, not expensive compared to building an airplane, high
    lifting load, autonomy and flight altitude.
    1. +1
      2 November 2023 12: 56
      R&D of a stratospheric AWACS airship, capable of operating in a stationary and free version, was proposed to the Ministry of Industry and Trade in 2012, the first developments date back to the beginning of 1980. The A-100 began in 2002. It takes more than a decade from the initiative to the finished product. The airship has advantages in comparison with an artificial satellite, an airplane, an aerial drone, but there is one thing, from what to make it in the Russian Federation, components and materials will have to be bought in China.....
  34. +1
    1 November 2023 21: 54
    Quote: ramzay21
    Shoigu and Gerasimov, Chemezov and his gang from Rostec, Manturov and others

    Do you think they will be replaced by better people? You can't be so naive. There are no less crooks in line, if not more...
    1. 0
      16 December 2023 21: 37
      It depends on how you have to answer for your own failures. While they are rewarding this one thing, but when they begin to treat inabilities with motivating injections of lead, it will be like in the joke about a bear cub and opponents who suddenly for some reason lost their appetite. True, while we have medicine of responsibility for mistakes of a very different nature, like “take a new pie from the shelf.” But someday Dr. Aibolit must come and put everyone who deserves the right thermometer in the right place.
  35. +1
    9 November 2023 17: 17
    could lead to the complete loss of the Ukrainian Air Force
    ________<<<<

    Maybe, but it didn’t and won’t. How many arrivals have there been since this strike?
  36. 0
    24 January 2024 12: 43
    Usually some kind of hill is used to install radar antennas, why not use the peaks of the Caucasus mountains?
  37. +1
    24 January 2024 23: 37
    What A50 AWACS is the author talking about, the one that was shot down over the Sea of ​​Azov? And IL22 there, and now another IL76 in Belgorod. Our government does not have the will, they were obliged to declare war on Ukraine: Russian planes were shot down over the territory of the Russian Federation from a neighboring state, and they remain silent. But the Chubbys went on the defensive and are holding it well, despite the fact that they have no weapons compared to us, and they will hold it until the US presidential elections, and then no matter who wins, the supply will begin again, and our boys will begin to die a lot. Russia has little time left, Europe will catch up in the production of ammunition by the summer and rush away. But when our non-brothers are equal to us in arms, they will roll out the Russian troops and arrive in Voronezh, if even now ours cannot advance at the front, then it will be later. I don’t trust the Kremlin anymore, they can only dance around the Christmas tree and give poor widows tea in the Kremlin instead of ending this war in one fell swoop...destroy the city of lions with a tactical nuclear weapon, to the root and that’s it, don’t care about their people, don’t care about the UN , don't care about the west. If the West threatens us with a nuclear war later, let’s start a strategic one..... anyway, what the West will do to Russia if it loses will be like a nuclear war for the Russians: hunger, poverty and cold.... It’s better to ruin the whole world then
  38. Eug
    0
    30 January 2024 05: 42
    And you saw the embodiment of this “long-awaited decision” over the Sea of ​​Azov... for those who died - a clear memory, for those who managed to survive - the deepest respect for their fortitude and flying skill.
  39. 0
    7 March 2024 22: 15
    TU-214 production has been established. Why not adapt them for AWACS aircraft, especially since airlines don’t particularly take them...