Companies and platoons of the Russian Armed Forces need regular vehicles. Will they get it?

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Companies and platoons of the Russian Armed Forces need regular vehicles. Will they get it?
Society's reaction to the acute shortage of vehicles at the front - the Kislovodsk charitable foundation. For Ours” sends a used UAZ, purchased with citizens’ money, to the front. Photo: Kislovodsk Administration


One of the most pressing problems of the RF Armed Forces and volunteer formations, which came to light during the Northern Military District, was the provision of troops with road transport. A lot was written about this even before the Russian army entered Ukraine, but they wrote mainly in relation to the situation with trucks in transport units, which are also in short supply in the RF Armed Forces.



However, in the shadow of the problem of logistics there remained a huge and generally unanswered question - the standards of security and the actual provision of troops with multi-purpose passenger and cargo-passenger vehicles, as well as the presence of their own freight transport in the company-platoon link.

This is a problem of enormous proportions, which, despite the fact that the war has been going on for significantly more than a year and a half, has not been voiced by anyone and is not being solved by the Ministry of Defense.

As if she is not there.

But it exists, and it is on a huge scale.

Soviet roots of the problem and difficult reality


The weakness of the Soviet troops, which the Russian army inherited, has always been logistics support in the war zone, outside of permanent deployment points.

There is no point in delving into the issue - it is familiar to literally everyone, even those who have not served at all, it is such a huge layer of problems.

It contains everything - clothing allowance, and the supply of special types of ammunition (for example, high-precision sniper cartridges 7,62x54 for SVD rifles, and now for Mosin rifles, which have returned en masse to service), here are batteries for radio stations, and tires for trucks cars, and much more.

And the problem of the rear has one more facet - transport.

Our troops, even when they are equipped with everything they need, have nothing to transport these essentials. Neither motorized rifle platoons nor companies have their own vehicles; in general, the battalion has some small number, and if there is not enough of it or these vehicles are occupied (and they usually have assigned tasks in the battalion), then it is necessary to “punch” the vehicle into regiment or brigade.

There is nothing for them to carry themselves around. In the XNUMXst century, the Russian commander of a motorized rifle platoon or company, without vehicles not provided by the state, has to move on foot or in combat vehicles, or hitch a ride, or ask for a car from the battalion.

As a result, a banal task turns into an entire adventure.

Unfortunately, in a combat situation this sometimes has a high cost, for example, in the absence of transport not provided for by the organizational and staffing structure, you have to evacuate the wounded, which sharply reduces their chance of surviving in some cases.

Misunderstanding of the importance of the rear in the company-platoon link by military leaders at various levels has been a weakness of our army since Stalin’s times; today we can safely say that the problem is at least 90 years old.

So, in the Soviet army, neither platoons nor companies had their own vehicles; it could have been if there was a separate military unit, with a number of personnel comparable to a platoon or company, or formed “around” a platoon or company, but almost never in line platoons of combined arms units.

Moreover, this was precisely our specificity.

For example, in the National People's Army of the GDR in the 70s, the company already had a Ural-375 vehicle, a trailer and a motorcycle with a sidecar for traveling tasks. The Germans always understood the importance of transport, and, for example, even in the non-motorized infantry in World War II there were large quantities of Infanteriekarren IF8 infantry carts with a provision rate of one cart per 50 personnel.

There was also a separate special one-horse cart with a horse - also one for a platoon.

Read more here, including the consequences of the presence/absence of a simple cart on the combat effectiveness of troops and their losses.

But in the Red Army there was nothing like that, which had a lot of disastrous consequences, especially in terms of combat losses.

Another example is the US Army.

In the USA, under the command of the company commander, there is one M1078 or M1083 truck, a 900-liter tank trailer for transporting drinking water and two M1165 vehicles, one of which is assigned to the signalmen for their tasks and has a trailer, and the second is on duty, mainly at the disposal company commander.


Multi-purpose (cargo-passenger) vehicle M1165 with an additional armor kit. The commander of a US Army infantry company has two of these vehicles at his disposal.

There is nothing like this in our army and is not planned, although the North Military District, with its specifics, has raised the need for vehicles to levels much higher than before.

Let us briefly examine the essence of the problem in the form in which it arose in the SVO.

Firstly, the dug-in troops acquired a large amount of property, which their security standards in theory did not provide for.

For example: portable gasoline and diesel generators, fuel containers for them, entrenching and plumbing tools in excess of the norm, potbelly stoves, collapsible showers for installation in dugouts and dugouts, sometimes even small-sized engineering equipment donated by volunteers and a lot more.

Secondly, even the standard amount of clothing equipment is now much greater than it was during the Soviet era, when our flawed approach to providing troops with vehicles was formed. So, for example, the VKPO kit alone, issued to each soldier (in theory, at least), requires a bag with a volume of 60 liters for carrying. And then there is equipment and ammunition, and in quantities that were unimaginable in Soviet times, especially before Afghanistan.

Thirdly, the scale of hostilities requires a mass of transport to evacuate the wounded; it is needed in quantities that are simply not provided for by any standards.

Fourthly, there is a purely “Donbass” specificity - soldiers often fight 10-15 kilometers from populated areas, in which they spend their statutory leave of absence, in which they purchase those supplies that the rear does not provide (for example, fuel service is not available everywhere can deliver gasoline for generators and UAZs, it must be purchased), and platoon and company commanders simply need to send some kind of vehicle back and forth. But she’s not there.

Often, if we talk about soldiers from the LPR and DPR, they fight literally a few kilometers from home, but there is simply no way to get there on a “Uval” or vacation without freelance transport.

Fifthly, again the specificity of positional warfare. In conditions where the front is basically stationary, such a form of combat operations as a fire raid, which is often carried out by a small group with, for example, an AGS, has become especially widespread.

This group and the grenade launcher itself must be transported on something to the desired point and then evacuated from there. In conditions when a platoon with one infantry fighting vehicle is already considered strong and well-armed, and many newly formed “mobilized regiments” do not have any military equipment at all, we need a car, at least an UAZ.

Sixth, a huge number of communication difficulties require “wheels” for signalmen, preferably a pickup truck with a crew cab.


An example of a civilian vehicle modified for military purposes is the UAZ Profi pickup truck. Photo: telegram channel “Diary of a signalman Kiba”

Seventhly, a category of military personnel that did not exist three years ago has appeared, such as a UAV-copter operator, or, now, a copter crew of at least two people who cannot work from the position of their unit, since Ukrainian electronic intelligence can immediately transmit the coordinates of the source of control signals to the artillery.

Therefore, crews use remote antennas and always work from different places (those who want to live), outside their positions, so as not to direct an artillery or missile attack on their positions from the enemy. And in order to move, they need cars. Which there are none.

It would take a very long time to list what military science and the leadership of the Ministry of Defense have no idea about even now, after more than a year and a half.

Let us instead state a fact - the troops need much more vehicles than now, mainly in the company-platoon link, and we are talking here about both trucks and light-duty cargo-passenger and passenger (multi-purpose) vehicles.

In conditions when the Ministry of Defense is not involved in this issue, civilian volunteers took up the matter. The supply of volunteer vehicles to the front has become widespread, but there are many pitfalls here that do not make it possible to consider volunteer supplies as a solution to the problem.

Cars from volunteers


As the volunteer movement gained strength, and most importantly, the number of sponsors grew, it became possible to begin to meet the needs of the troops not only in quadcopters, potbelly stoves or first aid kits (in general, the list of volunteer supplies is simply endless), but also in cars .

Usually these are SUVs - supplying trucks is too expensive, in addition, the need for light traveling vehicles is more acute.

As a rule, volunteer organizations or simply private donors donated UAZs or imported SUVs and pickup trucks to military personnel of one or another unit; however, sometimes these were Gazelle or Sobol light trucks.

An example of news about such a delivery.

A number of problems immediately arose.

Firstly, such cars cannot be registered with the military; they remain with civilian license plates.

Secondly, they are often issued to individuals - for the same reason.

The third problem is that neither the command nor the military police can determine by the type of car who is driving it - it could be our military, and Ukrainian saboteurs, and local residents, and sympathizers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - anyone.

Fourthly, as a rule, we are talking about vehicles that have never been accepted for supply to the RF Armed Forces; there are no spare parts for them, and there is no documentation for maintenance and repair. Even relatively standard UAZs are often heavily modified and differ from the factory’s serial production.


A typical example of a gift from volunteers is a Mitsubishi Pajero Sport, painted for military use and possibly modified. There are no spare parts for such machines in the aircraft, nor are there any special tools for repairs (for example, replacing a timing belt). But this is much better than nothing. Photo: Telegram channel Colonelcassad

Fifthly, even when a unit received a non-standard vehicle, if it is a gasoline vehicle, it is often impossible to obtain fuel for it, since this vehicle does not officially exist.

There are other problems, which are discussed below.

At a certain point, the spread of non-standard cars, often such as RENAULT DUSTER or similar crossovers, with non-military, often bright, unmasking colors, led to the fact that the front-line zone, in which vehicle traffic is possible, is simply teeming with them. It is impossible to distinguish them from civilians - as a rule, they differ from the cars of local residents only by a crookedly spray-painted quick recognition sign.

The Military Motor Vehicle Inspectorate and the Military Police have no way of tracking these vehicles by license plate number.

As a result, the commanders of the groups naturally have suspicions that, firstly, some of these vehicles are actually used by Ukrainian DRGs, and not by our military, and secondly, that some of the vehicles may simply be taken away from the local population, which is an obvious course of action does not in any way make it easier for Russian troops, but it gives rise to pro-Ukrainian “waiters.”

It is often impossible to check whether this is true or not by looking at the car.

As a result, from time to time, here and there, orders come from high-level headquarters to ban the use of personal vehicles by the military, simply because no one can really control the source of their appearance and what they are used for (and by whom). And we must fight chaos.

The problem is that the implementation of such an order means paralysis in the daily life of units and units, and such orders are not carried out.

And this already gives rise to another precedent - mass failure to comply with orders, which in the long run is not very useful for military discipline and is also very bad.

Military police periodically confiscate such donated vehicles. Where does it then go from the hands of the military police? story, which no one will publish for censorship reasons, but smart people will understand.

Which is also a factor of moral decay and discontent at all levels.

Finally, the last problem.

As a rule, heavily used cars are donated to the troops. Simply because they are bought with donations from private individuals, that is, in conditions of very meager funding. Such equipment needs repair not only before being transferred to the troops, but also afterwards, and the possibilities for this repair are also limited by volunteer budgets and resources, or, alternatively, by the salaries and skills of military personnel.


In a sense, the typical example of a UAZ donated by volunteers is not at all new. But, what is there. Photo: Victory Technology Telegram channel

And, of course, although the number of civilian vehicles transferred to the North Military District zone is now apparently measured in the thousands, they are still critically lacking.

And because cars do not last long in war, they are usually destroyed by the enemy within a few months, and because thousands are not enough.

Only the state itself can solve this problem.

And it would be very easy for the state if it just wanted to do it.

In case the state wants - recommendations.

Organizational part


The first is something that can be done immediately and for free. It is necessary to develop and implement a mechanism for military registration of cars from volunteers. It's easy and doesn't cost money.

But it becomes possible to control what is driven where and where, and to suppress any offenses related to motor vehicles using strictly legal methods.

This should have been resolved a long time ago; there were and are no obstacles to this.

For the rest…

First, it is necessary to acknowledge the fact of the problem. This does not have to be done publicly, but the issue should be raised in the documents.

Secondly, it is necessary to change the staffing of departments, which will become possible after recognizing the problem.

What should be the minimum standards for providing troops with vehicles at the company-platoon level?

The absolutely necessary and in fact insufficient minimum is a repetition of the world experience - a truck and one traveling vehicle per company.

This will not be enough, but this way the company will have at least some opportunity to transport company property, at least in parts, and the company commander will have at least some mobility.

The experience of foreign armies over the past 50-60 years, which the Ministry of Defense so diligently does not see, looks more reasonable, namely, a truck and two traveling vehicles per company, one for communications.

This is also not enough in modern conditions, but at least with such support, life in the troops will become much easier.

Taking into account the amount of property currently needed, the following standards can be designated as minimally sufficient security:

- one medium-duty truck for each platoon. These can be URAL 43206 or KAMAZ 4350 vehicles (all two-axle), or three-axle vehicles - URAL 4320 with a standard base or KAMAZ 5350;
- one truck at the disposal of the company commander, the same as in the platoon;
- two traveling light multi-purpose vehicles for the company commander.

In an ideal, luxury version, this is complemented by additional multi-purpose vehicles in platoons, one per platoon.

Naturally, such standards for equipping vehicles require the inclusion of driver units in the staff, and the number of vehicles that the company receives in this way requires the inclusion of a trained technician capable of helping drivers with vehicle repairs and taking on complex work.


KAMAZ 5350 with an armored cab. Copyright on the photo

The above states will even help to smoothly ensure the growth of the transport capabilities of platoons and companies - starting, for example, with one truck and one light vehicle per company, then first adding one light vehicle, then trucks to the platoon, etc.

If, for example, the capabilities of industry do not allow us to provide everything at once.

Only the simplest question remains - technical.

Technical part


Let us first formulate a certain ideal image of a multi-purpose vehicle for troops. This is an armored vehicle with a diesel engine, with structurally implemented mine protection measures, suitable for transporting both people and small cargo in weight and volume, the internal layout of which allows you to place a lying wounded person inside, if necessary, or a unit of collective infantry weapons (12,7 mm machine gun or AGS) with crew and ammunition.

Ideally, of course, it would be necessary to provide capacity for up to one rifle squad of increased strength (with a UAV crew of at least 10 people), but this would make the vehicle very large and expensive, which runs counter to the required number in the troops, although, if possible, then why not...

The domestic industry, due to its potential, is quite capable of producing such an ideal car.

Let us give close analogues.

The closest is AMN-233121 “Athlete”, produced by the Military-Industrial Company (VPK).


AMN-233121 “Athlete”. Photo: Wikipedia

This vehicle has different modifications, and its basic model and the manufacturer’s capabilities allow it to make exactly the modification necessary for the troops.

This car is generally close in principle to the ideal of an army armored car; it only lacks an automatic transmission.

The problem is that a lot of machines are needed, and it is not a fact that the military-industrial complex can quickly fill this need.

Under these conditions, it makes sense to lower the bar of requirements in favor of mass production. For the above needs of the troops, both the “Tiger” of the same military-industrial complex and the recently shown prototype of the “Strela”, a lighter vehicle that can serve as the basic design for a mass military vehicle, and, although it is in a different size group than the “Athlete”, will be suitable. , can also be considered as the main vehicle for troops.


The Strela armored car would fit perfectly into the troops, and as a base platform it would also be very successful. Photo: http://www.autonavigator.ru/

At the same time, it may turn out that suppliers of armored vehicles, in principle, cannot meet such a huge need.

Then the UAZ should come into play.

Despite all the complaints about the quality of these cars and despite the fact that UAZ stopped producing diesel cars (which was unjustified - Sollers had to bring the ZMZ-514 to life at any cost, there were and still are opportunities for this), it is the basic transport need The UAZ troops are satisfied; moreover, a model such as the “Pro” with a two-row cabin would generally be close to the ideal of an unarmored multi-purpose vehicle if it were not for the gasoline engine. The downside is the lack of armor, and this is a serious disadvantage. However, when choosing between UAZ and nothing, you need to choose UAZ.


And again the UAZ “Profi”, only now in factory version. What prevents the Ministry of Defense from purchasing such vehicles? Copyright on the photo

Particularly worth mentioning is the UAZ loaf, which is still listed in the series as “SGR - old cargo series.”

This vehicle, despite its obsolescence, is close to ideal in a number of parameters - it allows you to transport a squad with weapons, evacuate a bedridden wounded person, transport cargo in the cabin, transport collective weapons with crew and ammunition.

“Loaves” are used in the Northern Military District both as headquarters vehicles and even as radio workshops. If blackout measures are followed, you can even repair radio equipment or work with documents in this car at night.

At the same time, the car has good cross-country ability.

All this led to the popularity of “Loaves” among the troops, and most of the vehicles supplied to the army by volunteers are just such UAZs.

It is possible that if it is impossible to quickly saturate the troops with armored vehicles, then we need to “press” on the supply of just such equipment.


And again a civilian car at war, this time for doctors. “Bukhanka” is one of the most popular cars in the Northern Military District. Photo: Telegram channel “Hiler”

With trucks, everything is simple - both KAMAZ and URAL have versions with armored cabs, and these vehicles are sufficient to perform transport tasks in the platoon-company level.

In extreme cases, as with multi-purpose vehicles, you will have to make do with unarmored options. Any truck is better than no truck.

It is also worth voicing the ambiguity with GAZ cars. According to a number of parameters, the GAZ 3308 “Sadko”, both with a double-row and a single-row cab, fully meets the needs of the troops, however, there is nothing in the open press about the mass purchases of GAZ vehicles for the needs of the RF Armed Forces.

It is difficult to judge without a special study how many vehicles are missing if we now bring the staffing of companies and platoons to the “correct” level.

But even if the domestic industry is generally unable to supply the troops with cars in a reasonable time, we must remember that vehicles that conditionally meet the basic needs of the troops are produced in China, India, and Iran.


Iranian army vehicle Aras


Iranian armored car Toofan

Of course, the import of vehicles for the army requires preparation in terms of its adaptation to our climate (for cars from warm countries this is a serious issue), and the accumulation of a stock of spare parts, and training of personnel for maintenance and repair, and checking the applicability of domestic lubricants, and more. a lot of things, but the SVO began in February 2022, and now ends in October 2023. It is clear that all this will last for a long time.

If the production figures of domestic factories do not meet the requirements for quickly saturating the troops with road transport, then it is time to begin import work.

Finally, it is worth remembering that a certain number of vehicles are stored in Rosrezerv plants. Most likely, all samples of equipment that are supplied to the RF Armed Forces have already been withdrawn from there, but “the light has not converged on them,” any product of the same UAZ will find a place at the front, even if it is not formally used by the troops.

For more than a year and a half, the Ministry of Defense's SVO has shown very contradictory abilities to correct shortcomings in the troops - some measures, necessary and necessary, are being taken, while others are being ignored. Today it is no longer possible to accuse the Ministry of Defense of inaction - processes to correct the situation in the army are underway, and they are large-scale.

But not in all areas: there are areas where malicious disregard for reality on the part of some responsible leaders prevails. Automotive topics are one of these areas.

I would like to believe that the recovery processes will reach both the standards for providing troops with cars and the staffing of units in this unit.
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  1. +21
    30 October 2023 04: 59
    The issue is topical, but it is not easier to change the regulations on equipment and personnel, leaving trucks on the balance sheet of the battalion. Which essentially should ensure the mobility of companies and platoons.
    Regarding passenger vehicles, the Russian armed forces have a whole range of UAZs in service: loaves, goats and patriots of various modifications. Companies and platoons must be supplied with them, including the pickup version. In this case, in addition to the equipment, it is enough to have one or two full-time drivers, with direct subordination to the platoon commander.
    The question is different, in my opinion, all equipment at the platoon-regiment level needs to be unified in terms of fuel.
    And here, sadly, there is no diesel engine in the future.
    An equally important problem is the minimal protection of this vehicle fleet, at least critical components and personnel.
    A dozen years have passed since Chechnya, and besides the armor plate on the door or if you are lucky enough to have a cast iron card or a disk from a rotary mower in the door pocket...
    Next are the emotions.
    With God, let us admonish the unreasonable ones that the lives of our guys are more valuable than iron.
    1. Eug
      +6
      30 October 2023 07: 46
      I see the solution to the diesel problem in copying the old Mercedes naturally aspirated engine with either 70 or 77 hp. It fit perfectly in the Volga, which means it will fit in the UAZ without or with minimal modifications. I don’t think there will be any problems with copying it and quickly organizing production. You can’t set speed records on the front line, but there is enough traction there, especially if you make a normal automatic transmission (this is the problem, but I think that the traction-oriented 3-speed industry will be able to handle it, no, order it from the Chinese). In terms of equipment, add a trailer and two ATVs to the company’s two-axle Ural (KAMAZ or Sadko). As a result, the company has a two-axle vehicle with a trailer, a diesel pickup truck and two ATVs, and the platoons have each a pickup truck and an ATV. This is ideal.
      1. +26
        30 October 2023 08: 14
        Soviet roots of the problem

        There has been no USSR for 31 years, but for you it’s all the Soviet government’s fault...
        1. 0
          30 October 2023 13: 32
          The army is the most unformed Soviet part of the country, as it turned out.
          1. +16
            30 October 2023 21: 13
            The author is good, raises the right topics and offers interesting solutions. But attacks on the USSR and especially on the Red Army are unacceptable, this is Russophobia.
            The author should have known that comparing the potential of the USSR and the potential of all of Europe, which supplied Hitler, is criminal. Therefore, issues of transport supply in the Red Army were resolved by the highest organization of logistics, and the Red Army on the front line massively used horse-drawn carts, which transported ammunition and the wounded, guns and much more, including potbelly stoves.
            As for the later periods of the USSR, I would like to remind you that then a lot of cars went into the army en masse, including unique ones like the LuAZ amphibian, produced in a circulation of several thousand.

            All the problems of our army are connected ONLY with the period of the last 35 years, and the North Military District has clearly shown that the leadership of the army and the country has not been involved in building a combat-ready army for the last 35 years, because even now it costs nothing to order 10 thousand Niva cars from AvtoVAZ and close the issue with traveling vehicles for mouth level
            1. +8
              31 October 2023 21: 55
              But attacks on the USSR and especially on the Red Army are unacceptable, this is Russophobia.


              Well, why all of a sudden? If I say that there were not enough disk magazines for the PPSh and the soldiers had to reload the only magazine under fire, is that Russophobia? There are thousands of such examples from the practice of the Red Army and the SA, and many of the problems from those years have not yet been overcome, so why are we scared of Russophobia?
              Someone needs to do the job well, and there will be no criticism; Russophobia is generally “passed by” here.
              1. +5
                7 November 2023 02: 03
                All the problems that the Russian Federation has, including in the army, exist only due to the fact that the Soviet system existed with its labor organization, thanks to which it became possible to determine the shortage of certain labor products due to the fact of their availability, albeit insufficient
                All weapons, all means of motorization currently operating in the RF Armed Forces have Soviet roots, the capitalist RF has expectedly proven that it is not even capable of preserving to the required extent the production potential that was inherited from the RSFSR
          2. +1
            6 November 2023 08: 51
            Quote: Jonny_Su
            The army is the most unformed Soviet part of the country, as it turned out.

            But why? It’s even very reshaped (with parquet bugs). Look at Avito. Especially for vehicles (such as UAZ)
            1. 0
              7 November 2023 18: 05
              Yes, I need to explain, otherwise it’s stupid. In many industries, new growth has already grown since the times of the USSR, and in the army, as they were accustomed to cutting back without much thought or change, everything continued until recently.
        2. +1
          30 October 2023 21: 36
          Where did they come up with companies without a rear? IN THE USSR. Well then...
          1. 0
            30 October 2023 22: 06
            They forgot Esaul. But this armored (5 armored vehicles/2 cells) UAZ is in service in small numbers with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation.
      2. +11
        30 October 2023 09: 23
        1. Nobody needs all this... Or rather, invest financially...
        2. China is not a panacea, it can send...
        3. ""The solution to the problem is to copy"" There is no need to invent anything... Belarus has a diesel engine for the UAZ!!!!!! (relatively recently developed)
      3. 0
        31 October 2023 11: 47
        pickup truck and ATV

        About four more unicycles and this is not a joke
      4. 0
        31 October 2023 21: 16
        There should be enough transport in the company to transport property. then it turns out that the squad needs a truck (Sadko, Ural) and the commander needs a separate Pepelats, a diesel one is required. UAZ - there are no other options yet...
      5. +3
        31 October 2023 21: 56
        Yes, technically there are a lot of options, and some were already in the series.
        You can bring ZMZ-514 to mind.
        In a year, we can start assembling Chinese diesel engines, which, for example, the GAZ Group has already started.
        Options - carriage.
        Someone would take care of them...
    2. -5
      30 October 2023 21: 29
      Of course, I apologize wildly, but as much as we can say, only NATIONALIZATION will save us.
      I don’t know about you, but here, under the USSR, such questions did not arise. Especially in the USSR Air Force.
      1. +5
        31 October 2023 01: 16
        In each motorized rifle company, the company sergeant-major had his own truck, ZIL 131, on which there was a field kitchen on a trailer, and in the back they carried the company’s property into the company’s property, including tents, mattresses, beds and personal belongings of soldiers and sergeants that were stored in the company’s quarters.
        All vehicles in motorized rifle battalions were seized by order in 2013, then new brigades began to be deployed on the basis of divisions and divisions were reduced, and cargo and special vehicles began to be confiscated from all motorized rifle battalions and companies, and on the basis of company and material support battalions in new brigades they began to create automobile companies and BMO battalions of the new state, but for some reason the motorized rifle battalions did not return transport to the battalions, but they considered their presence in the motorized rifle battalions to be excessive and unnecessary, and the foremen in the companies were left without transport
      2. +3
        31 October 2023 21: 56
        These issues also arose under the USSR, often in acute form.
      3. 0
        3 November 2023 21: 01
        Of course, I apologize wildly, but as much as we can say, only NATIONALIZATION will save us.
        No need to call. Just try to clearly and competently prove (namely prove, and not try to convince) that nationalization will help and how. I’ll help you a little, nationalization and other ***ing do not make people more honest, decent, more humane and more competent. Proven by numerous lost civilizations.
      4. +3
        6 November 2023 20: 06
        Ineptly carried out nationalization may not only fail to improve the situation, but also greatly worsen it. How the French finished off their aircraft industry with nationalization before the war. Should we expect skill from our leaders?
    3. +1
      30 October 2023 21: 36
      I suggest the RF Ministry of Defense pay attention to the legendary Russian (designer A. GARAGASHYAN...Armenian son of the Russian people...-:)...)) compact super all-terrain vehicle SHERPA and TYPHOON, which, with appropriate (armor, communications, weapons,) modification for the needs of the military - it will be in great demand among the troops.... Reconnaissance officers, sappers, attack aircraft, doctors, logistics-supply personnel, command staff, even a field kitchen in a trailer - everyone will be happy with this miracle on wheels.... By the way, experience SVO once again proved the advantage of wheeled vehicles over tracked ones... This all-terrain vehicle can even swim among ice and in swamps.... Calmly overcomes an obstacle 1 m high (!!!) and climbs at an angle of more than 45'.... STILL fly they didn’t teach him, but this is a fixable matter.... In terms of cross-country ability, maneuverability, buoyancy, speed of movement on the highway and on dirt roads - no UAZ, Humvee and TIGER can compete with it.... They’re not even close... We’re waiting for a reaction Russian military department...
  2. +5
    30 October 2023 05: 32
    Does the author know that Stalin died 70 years ago? And the impression is that they didn’t tell him... By the way, Stalin bought trucks in the USA.
    And then, if even Stalin could not do anything, then what can be asked of the current ones?

    For many years we have been repeating “don’t interfere with the government’s work... The invisible hand of the market will fix everything. What was wrong with the Soviets...” And even what was quite correct and normal.
  3. +16
    30 October 2023 05: 32
    The Border Guards probably had the most ideal standards in terms of the availability of vehicles. At our outpost we had UAZ, Gaz 66, GTSka and this was for 20-30 personnel. And purely land outposts had even more equipment. It makes sense to look at how it was with the border guards.
    1. 0
      30 October 2023 06: 16
      Quote: jonht
      And purely land outposts had even more equipment.

      What is a purely land outpost?
      1. +11
        30 October 2023 07: 50
        Apparently an outpost located on the land section of the state border. We had a shishiga and a UAZ-469, but they were without gasoline and we had to walk or run, depending on the circumstances.
        1. +5
          30 October 2023 12: 44
          We had a shift bus based on the GAZ-66 in our control battery. For me, it’s hard to imagine a better car, especially if the climate is cold.
          1. 0
            27 December 2023 22: 45
            When I was a battalion commander. dissected on PRP-3.
      2. 0
        4 November 2023 13: 50
        At the coastal or coastal outpost we had the same thing. But there were two shishigi, or rather two gaziks. Two types of cars. Just not 20, but rather 30, including 3 off and 2 right. And dogs, of course.
        So what does it mean to walk without gasoline? One flank is 5 kilometers, the other is 15. The patrol is transported there and back on foot. An alarm group in a UAZ, an outpost to alert everyone who is in shishig, and most likely there were two UAZs, but I’m not sure.
        This is not counting trucks with radar suitcases
  4. 0
    30 October 2023 05: 56
    In the XNUMXst century Russian commander of a motorized rifle platoon or company, without vehicles not provided by the state, you have to move on foot or in combat vehicles, or hitch a ride, or ask for a car from the battalion.

    Do you want to discuss a problem:
    Companies and platoons of the Russian Armed Forces need regular vehicles. Will they get it?

    Or platoon and company commanders?
    The company commander, perhaps... And the platoon commander has military equipment.
    * * *
    By the way, it’s time to move away from the practice of daily meetings. Company commander and battalion commander he can come to the positions of his units himself or use communication means. He must have transport definitely.
    1. +5
      30 October 2023 06: 14
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Or platoon and company commanders?
      This is bad? Apart from the fact that the commander will at least have something to send himself, at least someone else, for something needed.
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And the platoon commander has military equipment.

      This is the number, on a tank, infantry fighting vehicle, armored personnel carrier, will you order for stew, bandages, or at least run with cartridges?...


      In general, it is not a fact that the existing transport is provided with tires, although there were calls.
    2. +5
      30 October 2023 10: 48
      The battalion commander has it. The company commanders definitely need it, the platoon commanders need at least trucks for property
      1. +4
        30 October 2023 11: 16
        Not at least, but definitely. Sadko with a winch and a mechanical “crane” up to a ton. And a trailer.
      2. +4
        30 October 2023 12: 46
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        The company commanders definitely need it, the platoon commanders need at least trucks for property

        The company sergeant-major needs transport for his property...And the company must have a utility department (according to wartime staff). It should be responsible for transportation and delivery to platoons.
  5. +21
    30 October 2023 06: 14
    When you read notes like this, you think, what has our DEFENSE MINISTER been doing all these years?
    1. +12
      30 October 2023 09: 24
      And his immediate superior? what
    2. +2
      30 October 2023 09: 30
      1. While it was quiet, you can’t buy abroad... (example of geraniums)) )
      2. ""what was our MINISTER OF DEFENSE doing"" There's such a thing... other automobile factories are not subordinate to the mines of defense, and therefore it is very easy to disrupt plans for government procurement contracts + the quality of bullshit.. At home you can, of course, fire whoever accepted the bullshit , but there’s nothing further... I fired him and another one of the same kind came to take over... and so it’s a cycle... It’s not profitable for the owners of the factories to invest...................
      1. +4
        30 October 2023 11: 18
        It is necessary not to dismiss, but “according to the law of war.”
      2. +3
        30 October 2023 20: 11
        Not only is the quality crap, but the attitude towards the design is the same. I recently started thinking about why UAZs act so bad, and what can be done about it. The very first query in a search engine on this topic yielded groans from an amateur auto driver about the lack of standard factory mounts for installing additional shock absorbers. That is, the factory is not even asked to install additional shock absorbers. The factory is asked to weld corners for additional shock absorbers. Do they read the Internet at the factory?
      3. +1
        30 October 2023 22: 39
        Quote: vfwfr
        There’s this thing... other automobile factories do not obey the mines of defense, and therefore it is very easy to disrupt plans for government procurement contracts + quality

        I'll try without emotions. It is not the industry that should offer MO cars. The Moscow Region must issue technical specifications. Passenger car: cheap, frame SUV 4x4, transformable, with a carrying capacity of up to 1 ton, with the possibility of easy armoring against bullets and shrapnel, gasoline internal combustion engine (any type of gasoline), filters (oil, air, fuel) removable with the ability to wash with gasoline. This is an example of a UAZ 469 before the year 90. Since 90, the UAZ has become a commercial vehicle and many improvements have been aimed at making the product more expensive. For MO, you need a cheap, simple, “omnivorous” car - a transformer made from domestic components. hi
      4. 0
        4 November 2023 21: 47
        No. The factories supplied as much as they ordered. When the army is a mess, there is no point in turning the tables on the industrialists.
      5. +1
        18 December 2023 18: 17
        In the USA, many automobile manufacturing plants are also private. Only this does not bother their headquarters.
        There is a competition, there are requirements, there is financing and there is an AGREEMENT that specifies OBLIGATIONS and PENALTIES for non-compliance. If our social services are criticized. Strive and fully support the “invisible hand of the market”, so learn from the same Americans how the military can work with companies
    3. -1
      31 October 2023 21: 20
      which of them ? Both of the latter did not serve in the army and have no idea about the problems.
      1. -2
        6 November 2023 20: 08
        Serdyukov was just serving as a private soldier. That’s why he saw right through the gentlemen officers, that’s why they ate him in the end.
    4. -1
      3 November 2023 23: 13
      How will the Defense Ministry make R&D work? From which warehouse will it reactivate competent engineers and designers who will still be able to at least develop and implement something worthwhile, not to mention something relevant and modern? We have truck manufacturers stuck in the last century who still can’t come up with anything new. Did the Moscow Region need to build new Kamaz, Ural, Gas, UAZ? It would be nice in the grand scheme of things. But even new modern workshops require qualified workers, competent engineers and experienced designers. Where can I get them? Is MO giving birth? Or does the Ministry of Defense have the authority to conduct a combined arms operation against the Ministry of Education in order to find out where the promised results of education reforms are? We have a lot of bachelors and masters, where are the educated and competent specialists? MO deals with the product that society provides it with. There is nothing of its own from the start.
  6. +5
    30 October 2023 06: 49
    As always with Timokhin, “horses and people mixed together.”
    But let's get to the point.
    - “here are batteries for radio stations,” - there have been no radio stations with “batteries” for a long time. They run on batteries, which, if charged on time and correctly, last for years.
    - "in which those supplies that are not provided by the rear are purchased (for example, Not everywhere the fuel service can deliver gasoline for generators and UAZs, you need to buy it) - this is not a question of logistics, but a question of the military prosecutor’s office
    “The first thing is something that can be done immediately and for free. It is necessary to develop and implement a mechanism for registering cars from volunteers for military registration. It's easy and doesn't cost money.“It is immediately clear that the author has never organized anything other than the operation of a personal car (apparently Duster, because he is more or less versed in its spare parts).
    I would also like to explain the difference between a personal car and a “private” one. Any car requires. so that it is filled with gasoline, checked and, if necessary, added water and oil, checked the tire pressure (in general, almost everyone knows all this). And when the “car” is shared, then no one will ever do this and the car will be “finished off” in a couple of months. And this is not counting the medical examination of the driver before the flight, the issuance of a permit at least to record fuel and lubricants and mileage.
    So what can be done to improve the problem of transport services for the “common people”? And it's very simple. To do this, it is necessary that “bosses” of all stripes stop using official vehicles as a personal car. Anyone can give “hundred hundred” examples when a company car with a driver stands under the window and waits for its “bump out of the blue,” and people run around trying to “get transport” to perform their duties.
  7. +4
    30 October 2023 06: 53
    The army needs a diesel UAZ, Niva, but they don’t exist, there is also the issue of reservations...
    1. +4
      30 October 2023 12: 49
      Quote: air wolf
      The army needs a diesel UAZ, Niva, but they don’t exist, there is also the issue of reservations...

      The army needs one type of fuel (ideally), and not a list...
    2. +4
      30 October 2023 13: 35
      I wouldn't be so categorical. A gasoline car is much easier to maintain. Diesel fuel tends to thicken in cold weather. Plus problems with startup and so on, so on, so on.
      Passenger cars can also be gasoline.
      But in theory, diesel is better. But it’s even more difficult to find specialists in it, since in civilian life everyone uses gasoline.
  8. Eug
    +8
    30 October 2023 07: 05
    Very correct article. Let me just note that during the Great Patriotic War, the Americans supplied a Dodge pickup truck with a load capacity of 750 kg under Lend-Lease and it was very popular.
    1. +1
      30 October 2023 14: 59
      The question is not fully resolved; what is also needed are very light buggies, or even ATVs with protective bars.
      1. 0
        30 October 2023 22: 48
        We need a range of vehicles - light, passenger, armored, cargo, special. Repairable, easy to maintain, cheap, like a Kalashnikov assault rifle. hi
  9. +4
    30 October 2023 07: 19
    But in the upper apparatus and ministries it became full of black Havals, the nameplate was removed everywhere, and now there is one driver and it’s good if there is one passenger. There is money for this and I’m sure the staff has been allocated and everything is as it should be in full! And the fact that the author writes to register the confiscated items in the state, they don’t know where to include the Terminator, one of the most effective machines at the forefront, and you’re talking about some kind of delivery vehicles, this is not about our Soviet system. When the system itself changes, then everything will definitely fall into place, but this will definitely not happen.
    1. +2
      30 October 2023 08: 35
      You definitely won’t live to see it change, because the “scoop” is long gone, but the system is there and will be as long as people like that are alive..... laughing
    2. -1
      30 October 2023 13: 48
      Immediately on the two points mentioned. The “Terminator” is not conceptually finalized, it does not work as a vehicle for evacuating the crews of damaged vehicles, does not carry drones, and also does not shoot them down. So, as soon as possible, I think things will move forward.
      And in the USSR it was horse-drawn vehicles that carried them into the war, and later there was the Luaz front-line transporter.
      Since then, they haven’t bothered to create an analogue; Euro standards have been adopted. And the baby OKA had an extremely weak suspension and transmission and was unsuitable as a transporter.
  10. 0
    30 October 2023 09: 06
    If the depth of defense of a motorized rifle battalion is 2-3 km deep, then what kind of transport does it need to its companies and platoons? If you do something strange on the roads in the nearest city, you will have to increase the VP several times since the traffic police cannot do anything to the military.
    1. +10
      30 October 2023 10: 47
      Rotation? Transfer to another site? Retreat? Occupying defense on a new frontier? Transporting the wounded from their positions to the rear? Delivery by truck from the ridge and back? Transferring a fire group along the front line? Transferring a UAV crew along the front line?
      What kind of square-nest thinking is this?
      1. 0
        2 November 2023 22: 07
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        What kind of square-nest thinking is this?

        The commenter above asked a good question however. If the depth of defense of a battalion is 2-3, then what is, let’s say, the depth of defense of a platoon? Where will he park his vehicles? In the trenches at LBS? Or will he leave you to wander around the neighboring villages unattended? You reminded us well of the Wehrmacht infantry carts, but immediately jumped straight to heavy equipment inappropriate for a line platoon. Let me remind you that now even loaves of bread and UAZ vehicles, as a rule, cannot move directly to the LBS, and the same wounded often have to be secretly dragged by hand these same 2-3 km. The platoon needs something clearly more compact, passable and secretive than the UAZ.
        By the way, the Chinese have their own view of frontline transport:

        There is a good article about this machine on topware:
        https://topwar.ru/135136-mnogocelevoy-vezdehod-norinco-cs-vp4-kitay.html
        Such a cart with a hybrid engine would be ideal. In the meantime, hand cars and electric motorcycles with quads, this is a real solution to the platoon level.
  11. +6
    30 October 2023 09: 22
    Even in the Roman army after the reforms, when legionnaires began to be called “Marius’ mules” because of the load that had to be carried on the march, a donkey relied on one contubernium of 8 snouts. Transport standard tent, dishes, millstones, etc...
    1. +8
      30 October 2023 10: 46
      Exactly, and this is what our military science cannot understand.
      1. -1
        30 October 2023 14: 02
        The Airborne Forces understand, which is why they, for example, have the BTR-D in addition to the BMD.
        1. -1
          6 November 2023 19: 33
          The compartment simply will not fit in the BMD-2. She's like OKA. Capacity 2.5 dystrophic.
  12. -1
    30 October 2023 10: 59
    The field is not plowed for “private” producers, but will the Russian Ministry of Defense purchase them centrally?
    1. +2
      30 October 2023 13: 54
      A private manufacturer will not be able to produce what is required; passenger cars are literally hung with frills like Era-Glonass, ABS, airbags and other things that greatly affect the price. And they won’t buy an expensive car in the back of a Luaz, but will take a Niva.
      1. -2
        30 October 2023 17: 08
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        A private manufacturer will not be able to produce what is required; passenger cars are literally hung with frills like Era-Glonass, ABS, airbags and other things that greatly affect the price. And they won’t buy an expensive car in the back of a Luaz, but will take a Niva.

        Era-Glonnas and many of these excesses are directly established by law and it is prohibited to put cars on the market without them.
        1. +3
          30 October 2023 19: 54
          Therefore, there will be no production or manufacturer of cheap SUVs like the LuAZ-969.
        2. +1
          30 October 2023 23: 09
          It would take too long to list all the military equipment that does not fall under this law.
        3. 0
          30 October 2023 23: 10
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Era-Glonnas and many of these excesses are directly established by law and it is prohibited to put cars on the market without them.

          There may be exceptions to any rule. And mud flaps, and "Glanas" and seat belts, and even Euro 4 requirements wassat
        4. 0
          3 November 2023 23: 25
          I can just see how inspectors fine truck drivers who don’t wear seat belts, tank mechanics are deprived of their license for turning across a solid road, and Topol tractors are required to have Era-Glonass installed)
      2. -1
        30 October 2023 23: 03
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        And they won’t buy an expensive car in the back of a Luaz, but will take a Niva.

        Niva, this is not for war. This is for hunters and fishermen. For the war, UAZ "Kozlik" and UAZ "Loaf". Now the “Loaf” is sold for 1,5 lyama (naked). But the engine is high-speed injection, springs on the front end, and other bells and whistles are not needed when driving off-road (although they cost money). And the state has learned to work with private owners. wink But with kickbacks, it’s more complicated. hi
        1. 0
          1 November 2023 17: 18
          Of course, the UAZ is better suited for military purposes, no doubt about it. But the quality of workmanship, in comparison with AvtoVAZ, is very poor. And the approach to design itself is inhumane; I have already mentioned that they don’t even make fastenings for additional shock absorbers, although they know about the car’s ability to “goat.”
      3. 0
        2 February 2024 12: 42
        it can if there is a good order volume and the packaging is strictly specified
  13. +10
    30 October 2023 11: 18
    Twice I steered and handed over the “loaves” purchased by volunteers to the units, because I have something to say:
    1. Platoon standards are unlikely to be revised in the near future, even if they want to. This is a colossal figure that is collected not only from the cost of the car, but also from fuel and lubricant standards, which means increasing the number of fuel tankers, providing tires and expanding field workshops, etc.
    In the best case, if the stars align on someone’s uniform, it will be a company car (now the “rich” have two cars per company, bought by themselves or from volunteers);
    2. You don’t even have to mention the armor, not only because of the cost, but also because the same “buhammer” can “strangle the toad” of the enemy by firing an ATGM, but it’s mandatory to hit the “tiger”. They also pay on the other side. especially mercenaries, for the result. But there is a difference between unmasking yourself for, say, 500 dollars and 1500;
    3. Putting things in order with civilian vehicles from volunteers and purchased by fighters, if desired, is a simple matter and is decided locally depending on the direction, I will not go into details, but there are corresponding marks and signs where those who should know know;
    4. Cars need to be modified even when new from a dealer almost right from his parking lot, because they may not even make it to the front.
    It's short and without hysteria.
    To summarize. In the short term, the state needs to help provide troops, which means it makes sense to organize a state fund under the strict supervision of whoever is needed, where money from people’s donations will be collected and used to buy cars assembled under the supervision of military representatives at a factory price! to be sent to units.
    In the end, personalized tank columns and aircraft squadrons were built with the money of theater actors and the money of collective farmers and simply with donations from people.
    PS Considering capitalist realities, it is quite possible to organize a fundraiser by organizing a lottery where, when purchasing tickets, 80% of the funds go to help the front and let the remaining 15% form a prize fund. For a ticket 30-50 rubles. people will buy, and on a national scale these are significant numbers.
    1. +9
      30 October 2023 13: 11
      Quote: Blue Fox
      PS Considering capitalist realities, it is quite possible to organize a fundraiser by organizing a lottery where, when purchasing tickets, 80% of the funds go to help the front and let the remaining 15% form a prize fund. For a ticket 30-50 rubles. people will buy, and on a national scale these are significant numbers.

      You are still trying to continue the shameful and vicious practice of Putin-Mishustin - placing the burden of taxes on the “middle class”.
      There are many other government approaches to the problem. Like in the USA, for example:
      The Revenue Act of 1935 (also the Wealth Tax Act; English Revenue Act of 1935 or English Wealth Tax) is an American legislative act adopted by the US Congress during the New Deal period - in August 1935; The law raised federal income taxes on high-income Americans, creating a "wealth tax." Progressive taxation allowed taxes of up to 75% on the highest incomes - more than $1 million per year

      In our vast country, incomes can be considered high when they are multiples of more than 100 minimum wages.
      The country should not bleed while someone with a fake hernia travels around European countries or transfers funds through one of three hundred and twenty-four banks in an unknown direction.
      The number of banks that have access outside the country (the right to conduct foreign exchange transactions) should be reduced (and this is Nabiullina’s function) to 2-3...
      There is an excellent practice of freezing Soviet deposits... fellow Why not limit the level of income (total, including dividends and various payments in the form of parachutes) to 10-20 times the minimum wage (the rest with 3% loan bonds maturing in 2055... belay
      This is roughly how the state is obliged to collect taxes, and not drool in the hope that bankers and other functionaries of the RSPP will bring tribute on a silver platter.
      * * *
      The law can be adopted within a week. And the Russian Guard will ensure the scope of work in the event of possible sabotage from the bourgeoisie - because they are not the main ones in the country.
      1. +2
        30 October 2023 23: 21
        You are still trying to continue the shameful and vicious practice of Putin-Mishustin - placing the burden of taxes on the “middle class”.

        You are trying to pin this on me. And I’ve just been working, feeding my family and helping the front for the second year now. And I don’t pretend to be an expert on all issues.
      2. +1
        22 December 2023 07: 22
        The law can be adopted within a week

        Will the bourgeoisie pass a law against the bourgeoisie?
    2. 0
      30 October 2023 14: 00
      There is nothing difficult in revising the standards, and the equipment can be delivered gradually. In addition, there are separate states for peacetime and wartime.
      Registration is also not a problem and it is better to solve it than not to solve it.
      And about the lottery, an interesting proposal. If it were up to me, I would apply it, and treat the losses as a government loan. Since there is no martial law, the loan is voluntary.
    3. +4
      30 October 2023 14: 06
      1. Platoon standards are unlikely to be revised in the near future, even if they want to. This is a colossal figure that is collected not only from the cost of the car, but also from fuel and lubricant standards, which means increasing the number of fuel tankers, providing tires and expanding field workshops, etc.


      Let's take an example.
      Let there be a regiment of three battalions, a reconnaissance company and an artillery division.
      Let there be three companies in each battalion; we will neglect individual platoons and squads.
      Let there be three platoons in a company.
      Then the battalion has 9 platoons in 3 companies, we take the division as a battalion also for simplicity, we get 36 “platoon” and 12 “company” vehicles. We add 4 vehicles to the reconnaissance company (3 platoons and 1 company) and we get a total

      Platoons - 39 trucks
      Rotam - 13 trucks.
      Total - 52
      One full refueling of a 2023 KAMAZ is 560 liters.
      Full refueling of all new trucks is 29,12 cubic meters
      This amount of fuel is delivered by 5,2 (in fact, 5, someone will have to not top it up) “dead” Soviet ATZs with a tank volume of 5,6 cubic meters.
      If we have 6,5 cubes, on a modern lightweight chassis, then 4,5 (5 with a margin).
      If these are 9 cc ATZ for KAMAZ 43118/URAL-4320-1912-30, then 3,2 vehicles.
      To the regiment.
      Well, cars.
      If we just give a company commander two cars each, then let the refueling capacity be 80 liters; all company commanders have two cars each, that’s 26 cars, that’s 2,1 cubic meters.
      Once again - this is for the regiment.
      In fact, 6 small or 4 large ATZs per regiment cover the problem of fuel delivery.
      Well, let’s further extrapolate to the group.
      It's not that much actually.

      2. You don’t even have to mention the armor, not only because of the cost, but also because the same “buhammer” can “strangle the toad” of the enemy by firing an ATGM, but it’s mandatory to hit the “tiger”.


      Well, okay, the UAZ is also armored.

      As for the rest, it’s clear. The fund could have been organized long ago, but in general the state could have decided it with its own money, and quickly.
      1. +1
        30 October 2023 23: 22
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Once again - this is for the regiment.
        In fact, 6 small or 4 large ATZs per regiment cover the problem of fuel delivery.
        Well, let’s further extrapolate to the group.
        It's not that much actually.

        And if there is one more mini refinery in the group, then there will be fewer problems with fuel, from aviation kerosene to oils and lubricants, and there will be a use for heating oil with bitumen. hi
      2. +3
        30 October 2023 23: 29
        The fund could have been organized long ago, but in general the state could have decided it with its own money, and quickly.

        Let me put it this way. No one there any longer doubts that they live on another planet.
      3. +1
        30 October 2023 23: 36
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Let's take an example.


        Perhaps this would be enough in peacetime.
      4. 0
        22 December 2023 07: 20
        This state could solve it with its own money, and quickly.

        The state’s main source of “its” money is you and me and another eleven million people.
  14. +2
    30 October 2023 15: 16
    In general, following the author’s thoughts, we need to change the organizational structure and introduce logistics platoons into motorized rifle companies, and logistics companies into battalions, thereby increasing the number of automobile and special vehicles and, accordingly, personnel. Only then it will be necessary to significantly increase the production of vehicles, and this, apparently, is not a quick process.
  15. VlK
    +2
    30 October 2023 16: 09
    The root of the problem is most likely that during the transformation of riflemen into motorized riflemen, their initially purely transport vehicles in the form of armored personnel carriers were turned into universal transportation and support vehicles, and with infantry fighting vehicles this was even aggravated. As a result, the infantry has lightly armored mobile (or fixed) firing points, and does not have its own protected battlefield transport. While the equipment is on the defensive, it turns out that it is impossible to divert it to other tasks (for example, supplying or evacuating the wounded); if it is destroyed or damaged during the battle when firing with standard weapons, the squad is automatically left without a means of transport, it is not capable of mobile pursuit the enemy, nor to retreat mobilely, having escaped the attack (there is nothing left to do).
    From a technical point of view, combining the functions of transporting personnel and its fire support has simply greatly worsened all indicators; now there are simultaneously problems with security, and with the volume of the troop compartment, and, probably, with the composition of the weapons and their ammunition - there simply isn’t enough space for everything.
    The future, obviously, lies in the separation of the functions of transporting personnel with all its equipment, and its fire support on the battlefield. Most likely in the form of separate transporters with at most a large-caliber machine gun for protection on the march, so that there is no desire to push it to the first line, and a light infantry fire support vehicle without an airborne squad, but with improved protection, increased ammunition, etc. Perhaps on a single base to reduce the cost of production and facilitate maintenance. With regular subordination either to the same platoon (such as 3 transporters for 3 squads + 1-2 ops vehicles), or to a company to reinforce platoons according to the situation. Plus, it will probably be possible to install something on fire support vehicles to protect against drones with an als or radar.
    But this won’t be put into practice any time soon - the idea of ​​getting everything in one and relatively cheaply is too tempting, plus the inertia of thinking...
    1. 0
      18 December 2023 19: 01
      You actually described what SHOULD be happening anyway!
      Our armored personnel carriers developed from this paradigm. They had to deliver soldiers to their destination under the cover of light armor (since the equipment was not for the front), and have a heavy machine gun with smoke mortars to repel ambushes and that’s it.
      And upon arrival at the point, the infantry dismounts and, together with the infantry fighting vehicle, goes on the attack, where the infantry fighting vehicle serves as a mobile firing point and armor shield for the group. If necessary, an infantry fighting vehicle is capable of transporting soldiers or carrying with it a supply of ammunition and medicine for soldiers.

      But for some reason they are trying to turn our armored personnel carriers into infantry fighting vehicles (by replacing the machine gun with cannons), without changing the protection. And they are trying to use the BMPs themselves as armored personnel carriers (the infantry always rides on them, exposing themselves to all the bullets and shrapnel).

      Our technology is normal in this regard. You just need to supply the military staff and USE them correctly. Although first-line transport (light, small equipment with high maneuverability to transport ammunition and pick up the wounded) is still needed, I propose to consider a unified platform based on a small tracked chassis.
      This platform will provide anti-dust/fragmentation protection by default and will be created in combat and rear variants.
      In combat, it is a two-seat wedge, a very fast, mobile and passable firing point with a machine gun/grenade launcher/ATGM/MANPADS. Or intelligence/communications means. Like the German Wiesel1/2
      And in the “rear” version it is a single-seater vehicle that delivers supplies/ammunition/medicine to the group and returns the wounded.
      Yes, the models will be better if you create 2 separate cars. But my proposal will allow us to equip it en masse due to unification!
  16. 0
    30 October 2023 17: 37
    There is nothing to carry tourists in Kronstadt, but you are talking about some units
  17. 0
    30 October 2023 18: 01
    Quote: paul3390
    The donkey relied on one contubernium out of 8 snouts.


    And the contuberia of the harem relied on two centuries.
  18. +2
    30 October 2023 19: 03
    They have no time for that now, they are preparing...
    We ordered a hearse...

  19. -4
    30 October 2023 21: 28
    Just Timokhin... a lot at once... and threw it on the fan...
  20. +3
    30 October 2023 22: 15
    Is there a problem? Eat.
    Are there solutions suggested by the author? Yes. Whether they are true or not is another question.

    And so, ideally, it would be great if the Government would force UAZ to rivet Patriots and Esauls (armored Patriots) for the Army. At the same time, increasing the reliability of these machines. Actually, in this case, it would be possible to get the UAZ out of the... ahem... "hole" in which it is located and to saturate the Army with both traveling transport and technical equipment for escorting convoys and transporting ATGM operators and drones.

    1. +3
      4 November 2023 21: 55
      It’s very easy to make: you just need to order the required quantity and pay for the order with money. Then machines will appear and production will develop.
      1. 0
        24 December 2023 16: 15
        Yeah, many people are solving an incomprehensible problem: how to force factories to produce equipment for the army! How to force a Capitalist to do something? It's stupid to give him money.
  21. -2
    30 October 2023 23: 14
    Alexander Timokhin.
    For me, this is a new author on VO.

    However, in the shadow of the problem of logistics there remained a huge and generally unanswered question - the standards of security and the actual provision of troops with multi-purpose passenger and cargo-passenger vehicles, as well as the presence of their own freight transport in the company-platoon link.

    Are there raincoats? Do you have optical sights? Canvas mask green-sand - snow-dirt? Are there 3-5 GHz radio stations with repeaters for 50-60 hours of battery life? Are there motion sensors with coordinates transmission via radio channel and autonomy of 50-60 hours and costing up to 5 thousand rubles?
    Are there only UAZs missing?
    1. 0
      3 November 2023 23: 34
      It’s strange why they threw down minuses if they dropped the very essence?
      Much of what is listed in the second paragraph has been on Ali for a long time, but we only continue to make bobbies at exorbitant prices.
  22. 0
    30 October 2023 23: 23
    My deep couch opinion.
    Each company must have:
    1. Subordinate to the foreman - Ural with an armored double-row cab with an active (preferably) semi-trailer. There should be two such cars. In one there are personal belongings of the fighters and so on, in the other - entrenching tools, chainsaws, generators, a barrel of fuel and so on.
    2. The company commander must have a car. Ideally, something like a loaf, but armored. Then in such a car you can relax on the march, hold a meeting with the platoon commanders and bring some cargo.
    3. Platoon commanders, crews of UAVs, mortars, etc. - "5 seater Niva pickup."

    There is a problem and it needs and can be solved. On VAZ, ordering a Niva pickup in a simplified version does not require much intelligence. Just how to place an order on UAZ.
    4. In the battalion, the vehicle equipment is already busy and scheduled.
    After the development of Aurus, people can be concerned with the development of an armored loaf/Sable.
    1. 0
      3 November 2023 20: 01
      Quote: Saboteur
      Each company must have:

      In my opinion this is formulated incorrectly. Why assign auxiliary equipment to a company, and especially a platoon? Additional equipment is needed, but it must be assigned to the platoon and company from above, from the battalion level. There is no need to worry too much about the technical side of the issue of auxiliary equipment.
  23. +5
    31 October 2023 00: 37
    According to the staff of a motorized rifle company in the USSR, there were 11-13 armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles, depending on which state, and there was always one cargo ZIL 131 or Ural 375, Ural 4320 for the field kitchen KP 130 and transportation of the company’s personal property, mattresses and tents, to the motorized rifle battalion included a support and maintenance platoon, depending on the staff, if it was a battalion with an infantry fighting vehicle 1-2, then it was sure to have an ATZ 4.5 tanker based on the ZIL 131 and six Ural 4320 cargo trucks for ammunition, if it was a battalion with an armored personnel carrier, then the number of trucks was three, also in The VMO necessarily had a technical maintenance department, ZIL 131 MTP 4 for battalions with infantry fighting vehicles or ZIL 131 MTO for battalions with armored personnel carriers, besides them there was also a bakery based on ZIL 131, there were also two or one UAZ loaf and three to five TPKs included in the Medical battalion point. Trucks in motorized rifle battalions began to be confiscated after an idiotic order in 2013, there was a general order to remove from service 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled guns, D-30 howitzers, vehicles such as ZIL 131, GAZ 66, ZIL 157, KRAZ 255 Frontline Transporters, and many others types of equipment, it seemed to someone that the presence of trucks in the battalion was excessive and all cargo vehicles should be in the material support company and the automobile company.
    1. 0
      31 October 2023 00: 50
      Thanks for the clarification, I didn’t know about the truck in MSR.
    2. 0
      27 December 2023 23: 22
      Was it really possible that in 2013 there were still live “Zakharas” somewhere in the units?
  24. +2
    31 October 2023 12: 02
    I don’t care what it will look like, but if our boys are not provided with transport at the expense of our industry, let them buy from China, Turkey, Iran. The boys must carry out combat missions, and not think about how to transport the wounded, get ammunition for platooning, batteries, sights
    It turns out that our army is all for parades? How did it happen that it’s a year of SVO, but there are only more questions?
  25. +2
    31 October 2023 13: 37
    Regarding the "Soviet roots of the problem." Does the author know how things were with logistics support in the Republic of Ingushetia during the time of Nicholas 2nd “Bloody” Tsy? Many economists from the bosom of the current victorious counter-revolution like to refer to the year 1913 in terms of prosperity and an unimproved type of growth. Let me remind you that field artillery rounds there ended en masse a quarter after the start of the war. And with cartridges for conventional rifles, everything was bad. And the blame for the author and others like him, as always, is the Bolsheviks, who put the collapsed country back piece by piece into a harsh thread and were able to solve the problem of preparing for a “rematch” on the part of Western partners in a dangerous political process in the shortest possible time.
    1. -2
      5 November 2023 23: 39
      Let me remind you that field artillery rounds there ended en masse a quarter after the start of the war.

      At abrek Ioska, the situation was much worse, all the main warehouses of food, weapons and ammunition were in the occupation zone, in three months the regular army was almost completely destroyed, three million prisoners, the Germans near Moscow, Leningrad encircled....
    2. 0
      6 November 2023 20: 20
      Quote: Alex Vladimirov
      Let me remind you that field artillery rounds there ended en masse a quarter after the start of the war.

      Moreover, suddenly, all the warring countries ran out. No one expected SUCH a war. Another thing is that measures to overcome the shell crisis in Germany, England and France turned out to be more effective than in Russia.
      1. 0
        6 November 2023 20: 27
        Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
        Another thing is that measures to overcome the shell crisis in Germany, England and France turned out to be more effective than in Russia

        Is there anything to confirm, or just pure crap?
  26. +3
    31 October 2023 14: 41
    Where did this Scorpio https://topwar.ru/155404-semejstvo-avtomobilej-i-bronevikov-skorpion.html?ysclid=loe9aamnub187962172 go?
  27. 0
    31 October 2023 21: 46
    Quote: Parvis Rasulov
    According to the staff of a motorized rifle company in the USSR, there were 11-13 armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles, depending on which state, and there was always one cargo ZIL 131 or Ural 375, Ural 4320 for the field kitchen KP 130 and transportation of the company’s personal property, mattresses and tents, to the motorized rifle battalion included a support and maintenance platoon, depending on the staff, if it was a battalion with an infantry fighting vehicle 1-2, then it was sure to have an ATZ 4.5 tanker based on the ZIL 131 and six Ural 4320 cargo trucks for ammunition, if it was a battalion with an armored personnel carrier, then the number of trucks was three, also in The VMO necessarily had a technical maintenance department, ZIL 131 MTP 4 for battalions with infantry fighting vehicles or ZIL 131 MTO for battalions with armored personnel carriers, besides them there was also a bakery based on ZIL 131, there were also two or one UAZ loaf and three to five TPKs included in the Medical battalion point. Trucks in motorized rifle battalions began to be confiscated after an idiotic order in 2013, there was a general order to remove from service 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled guns, D-30 howitzers, vehicles such as ZIL 131, GAZ 66, ZIL 157, KRAZ 255 Frontline Transporters, and many others types of equipment, it seemed to someone that the presence of trucks in the battalion was excessive and all cargo vehicles should be in the material support company and the automobile company.

    Such nonsense to write!
    1. 0
      7 November 2023 01: 34
      Dear, have you ever seen the real staff of a Soviet motorized rifle battalion?
      With three motorized rifle companies, an anti-aircraft missile platoon, an anti-tank platoon, a machine gun and grenade launcher platoon, a material and technical support platoon and a battalion medical center.
      What kind of weapons did the motorized rifle battalions have, combat and other equipment, what was the difference between battalions based on armored personnel carriers and battalions based on infantry fighting vehicles, you know why some motorized rifle companies had machine-gun anti-tank squads and others had only machine-gun squads, what can I write here? It’s such nonsense to write.
      refute what you wrote
  28. +1
    3 November 2023 19: 59
    Is there a problem? Eat.
    Are there solutions suggested by the author? Yes. Whether they are true or not is another question.

    And so, ideally, it would be great if the Government would force UAZ to rivet Patriots and Esauls (armored Patriots) for the Army. At the same time, increasing the reliability of these machines. Actually, in this case, it would be possible to get the UAZ out of the... ahem... "hole" in which it is located and to saturate the Army with both traveling transport and technical equipment for escorting convoys and transporting ATGM operators and drones.

    I agree, this would be the best solution.
  29. +2
    4 November 2023 16: 13
    I will support the author. The absence, for example, of an artillery battery of a transport vehicle led to a lot of problems. It seems there are seven tractors and two vehicles for ammunition. But in the field you need tents, blankets, a container for drinking water and a lot of other things, without which even in wartime it was difficult to conduct a military economy. The same duffel bags for motorized riflemen or tank crews, which absolutely cannot be placed in combat vehicles, because they are food for fire.
    However, in Soviet times, all proposals to introduce transport in companies and batteries caused genuine hysteria, they say, we reached Berlin without this, anathema to you, anathema.
  30. 0
    5 November 2023 03: 14
    Regarding the presented UAZ "Profi", exactly the same one for the DSRG "Rusich" was brought to mind:

    " #Report
    A UAZ Profi car (Pofig 2.0 version) was purchased in the interests and at the request of colleagues back in early September, and after an epic drive from Ulyanovsk to St. Petersburg, it underwent lengthy repairs and modifications, taking into account the operating experience of another similar car of the same model. As a result, it was restored to a fully serviceable condition and received the necessary additions, such as: a power body kit, a winch, digital encrypted communication, a set of mud wheels, other off-road preparation, extra. trunk, a set of mask networks in a case, and a set of tools and spare parts for long-term use in front conditions. Now it has been transferred to the balance of the unit to perform various transport and logistics tasks thereof.
    The total expenditure for this target collection was as follows:
    1) car 1 rub.
    2) car repair after hauling RUB 296.
    3) production of a power set RUB 138.
    4) new awning in camouflage 8000 rubles.
    5) work on installing a power body kit - 15 rubles.
    6) tool set - 10 rubles.
    I express my gratitude to all those who helped in this particular collection, both financially (this is primarily the subscribers of my channel and all those who reposted this collection), and with work - “All-wheel drive laboratory” for the manufacture of the body kit and its installation and specialized service "UAZ Speed ​​Service" for the range of repair work carried out."
  31. +3
    5 November 2023 17: 39
    The problem is not in transport (and other pepelats) but in the lack of responsibility up to the very top. At first everything is fine, the reporting works, but they are not responsible for the results.
  32. +3
    5 November 2023 22: 25
    If the military police begin to check what official cars the employees of the Russian Ministry of Defense travel in, they will quickly come to the conclusion that these cars are more typical for NATO headquarters!
    You won't see domestic VAZ, GAZ or UAZ there, but BMW, AUDI, MERCEDES are in abundance.
  33. -1
    5 November 2023 23: 15
    The problem with vehicles in the troops, especially in the Northern Military District zone, is clearly very acute and URGENT.
    According to rough estimates for transportation of l. composition, / transportation and storage of property of one motorized rifle company:
    ammunition, potbelly stoves, food, electric generators, fuel, ammunition....
    necessary/desirable to have:
    1. Three Urals cargo trucks +1 fuel tanker,
    2. Four UAZ “loaves”, one at the disposal of the company commander and three platoon commanders (service tasks, transportation of HP, removal of the wounded and sick, delivery of small cargo...)
    3. Three Atlet/Tiger armored vehicles for mobile fire groups (ATGM, AGS, Mortar, Kord machine gun - 12,7mm....)
    In the best case, the company commander will also have military equipment
    3-4 armored personnel carriers/infantry fighting vehicles +1 tank.....
  34. 0
    6 November 2023 02: 56
    This is why artillerymen will never exchange a towed gun for a wheeled self-propelled gun. Unhook the gun and you have your own truck. In every calculation, that is, the department. A platoon (battery) has three or more trucks, according to the number of guns. With fuel on the board, at least fill it up. And for BP, and for water, warm food, for a medical instructor, for everything - he will go. Even for cigarettes. Meanwhile, the gun fires. Self-propelled guns cannot do this wink Do not offer Malva, Dana, Archer. Ural, Kamaz - our everything.
  35. +1
    6 November 2023 09: 59
    The author blames the Bolsheviks. Are they the ones who have been unable to change the staffing structure in the army for 30 years?
    Okay, no one thought about it and suddenly a problem appeared. And for 1,5 years the SVO could not take action?
    Volunteers raise funds, purchase and donate cars for the needs of the army.
    But are it the “Bolsheviks” who are selling the same UAZs, URALs, ZIL-131s from military equipment storage bases? Just go to Avito. There are even river boats from military equipment storage bases. The same BRDMs with weapons removed are on sale. There are tracked vehicles for off-road use.
    There is a feeling that it is easier for a conditional company foreman to collect 10 thousand from a soldier and purchase the necessary equipment for the company on the same Avito.
  36. +1
    7 November 2023 16: 00
    Serious topic. By the way, donated (or purchased) used ones are brought to Ukraine. 4 x 4 cars from half the globe. They are finished there in private workshops, painted and sent to the front.
  37. 0
    7 November 2023 20: 42
    The Belarusian Cayman, a modernized BRDM with a diesel engine and bulletproof protection, would be perfect as a vehicle for a platoon/company commander.

    According to various sources, there are from 3 to 7 thousand of these vehicles at the storage bases, which would make it possible to provide at least the commanders of companies and platoons of units currently fighting in Ukraine.
  38. +2
    8 November 2023 01: 13
    Quote: Sokolovsky_Yan
    2) car repair after hauling RUB 296

    Why does my UAZ Patriot, after repeated trips Volgograd - Moscow - St. Petersburg - Nizhny Novgorod - Volgograd, not require repair, from the word “at all”? What am I doing wrong? :)
    1. +2
      8 November 2023 08: 36
      What am I doing wrong? :)

      You drive on asphalt, but you need to drive on ditches, roadsides, country roads, then you will find out how durable your Patriot is...
  39. +2
    8 November 2023 07: 13
    During the fighting in the second Chechen campaign, freelance GAZ-66s were transferred to each company in our regiment. Without drivers, of course. So those soldiers who had the license of the corresponding category were put behind the wheel. Well, at least that way! Lifesavers for senior officers. Delivery from regimental warehouses, battalion supply point for food and ammunition. When moving a pet carrier, the same potbelly stoves and tents. So, successful attempts to solve the problem of company transport in the combat zone took place more than 20 years ago. But things are still there!
  40. ata
    0
    8 November 2023 10: 56
    The international situation is changing, states are solving their own problems. Therefore, in order not to be left without transport in the event of a change in the policy of one state or another, it is necessary to rely on local resources.

    It is necessary to restore our own automobile industry, and therefore the machine tool industry and much of what was destroyed during the years of rule by the Yeltsin-Putin clan.
    And this, in turn, is possible after they are removed from power, honest and competent people come to power, and the restoration of the USSR.
  41. 0
    22 December 2023 07: 02
    Misunderstanding of the importance of the rear in the company-platoon link by military leaders at various levels has been a weakness of our army since Stalin's times

    How tired we are of these “Easter eggs” about the “mines” allegedly laid by Stalin and the Bolsheviks, which make life so difficult for today’s elite women. 70 years have passed since Stalin’s times, this is the first thing. Secondly, for that time, the concept of the absence of rear in a platoon-company was and proved to be logical and effective, unlike the same Wehrmacht. Well, and most importantly, after the transition to a “compact army of professionals,” thousands of UAZ vehicles of all modifications remained in warehouses and storage bases. So to speak, a legacy from Stalinism. It would be enough to distribute 5 pieces to each department....
  42. 0
    31 December 2023 05: 45
    Buy UAZs in foreign countries.
  43. 0
    19 January 2024 14: 38
    Everything is so well written. Especially about the UAZ.. I’ll add 5 kopecks - a couple of years ago I was on a business trip in Ulyanovsk, they drove me past the plant, I asked - what about such a territory, such buildings and cars are not produced, including for the army. The answer is that the plant only belongs to the plant management and then only partially, everything else for the destruction of 3 or 4 workshops is private. Therefore, no matter how much you shout halvah and break copies, there is no factory.
  44. 0
    26 January 2024 13: 09
    There was no such problem during my service. Where did the RMO and support platoon go? And everything is scheduled according to the staff and everyone fulfills their duties. Even if non-standard equipment is allowed into the company, it immediately results in minus one fighter; driverless vehicles are not yet available. The next headache is maintenance: who will carry it out and with what? Who will be responsible if this car stops during a march, and if the fighters are hit during a trip to a neighboring village to buy cigarettes?
    This problem concerns at most volunteer units and partisans, but not the RF Armed Forces.
    If the regular structure does not have enough standard equipment, the unit is not capable of performing combat missions and this is the commander’s problem. Non-standard equipment is a diversion of the forces and resources of the unit from performing its main tasks. The only time it can be justified is when there are large losses of standard equipment and the need for urgent evacuation.
    Everything else is people’s personal wishes for more comfortable movement in space, not related to the performance of combat missions.
  45. 0
    9 February 2024 00: 00
    Mr. Timokhin, writes a comment not unknown to you sasa (according to Courage) from a forest plantation in the Luhansk region.
    Aren't you tired of writing about everything without knowing much about the issue?

    Before “equipping” companies and platoons with vehicles, you need to think about where you will “park” them? You see, there are nuances here: Baba Yagi fly at night, and FPVs fly during the day. If possible, it is advisable to remove all large equipment 6-8 km from the LBS. Leave on the front end something that can be camouflaged and preferably does not leave marks when “parked” in a landing position.
    Ento time! Secondly, in the conditions of the local shit soil, wheeled vehicles must be very, very specific. Loaf and Kozlik help out, but now my Ural cannot leave the “garage”.

    At the platoon level you will get tired of dealing with technology. For advanced units at the company level, light tactical transporters are needed for the tasks of transporting ammunition/water/grub and evacuating the wounded and as transport for fire weapons (AGS, mortar, ATGM)! preferably on low-pressure pneumatics, 6x6, 500 kg g/p. open, with optional rain roof. Like, a long time ago in the 80s, the Naglich people in the KMP and Airborne Forces had such a Suitpack.
    And optionally remote-controlled ones are highly desirable.

    Well, in terms of cross-country ability, motor skis haven’t come up with anything better. Although the options with variations of the Bv-206 are not bad.
    Those. per company 5-6 wheeled TT 6x6, 1 truck 4 t 4x4 (the same 2-axle Ural with local cabin armor) for company property.
    And in the battalion, along with 6x6 trucks (preferably Ural, I have a photo here of one that was blown up by a TM-62, the driver was alive, albeit badly shell-shocked), several more motorcycles or articulated vehicles of the Bv-206 size with local armor (several pieces).

    Sincerely, date-signature)