Waiting for the Russian heavy shock drone


Recent armed conflicts have clearly demonstrated the potential of heavy unmanned aerial vehicles. Due to the relatively large take-off mass, such equipment can carry not only reconnaissance equipment, but also a certain range of weapons. Thus, a heavy UAV is capable not only of detecting targets, but also attacking them, which reduces the time spent on the combat mission, and also allows you not to miss the target. However, in our country the heavy sector of unmanned aerial vehicles over the past years has not received the special attention of designers. Back in Soviet times, several designs were created with a take-off weight of more than one ton (Tu-141, Tu-143, Tu-243, etc.), but all of them were intended for reconnaissance and other similar tasks. Creating a UAV with shock capabilities in our country began relatively late, only in the late nineties. Because of this, there are still no ready-made systems of this class in service with our army. Over the past years, several certainly interesting projects were created, but none of them has yet reached mass production.


In 2007, at the MAKS air show, the MiG Corporation presented its new project. An interesting feature of this project was the fact that before the presentation there was almost no information about it, but, nevertheless, a full-scale model of the future was immediately shown at the salon in Zhukovsky drone. Due to such a “surprise”, the Skat project immediately attracted attention and became the subject of a lot of discussion. In general, such a reaction was not surprising: the Skat became one of the first known domestic projects of a strike UAV, and its relatively large take-off mass markedly distinguished it from the total mass of new domestic developments. In addition, Skat became the first representative of its class to reach the stage of assembling a life-size model.

The appearance of the drone "Skat" resembled the fish of the same name: it was proposed to build an aircraft according to the scheme of a flying wing. In addition, well-known techniques for reducing radar visibility were clearly visible in the design of the structure. Thus, the wing tips are parallel to its leading edge, and the rear sections of the vehicle are also made in the same way. Above the middle part of the wing "Skat" had a fuselage of characteristic shape, smoothly mated with bearing surfaces. Vertical plumage was not provided. As can be seen from the photographic materials of the Ramp, the control was to be carried out using four elevons located on the consoles and on the center section. At the same time, certain issues immediately caused yaw control: in the absence of a rudder and a single-engine scheme, the UAV required to somehow solve this problem. There is a version of the single deflection of internal elevons for yaw control.

The layout presented at the MAKS-2007 exhibition had the following dimensions: the wingspan of the 11,5 meter, the length of the 10,25 and the parking height of the 2,7 m. Relative to the mass of the Skat, it is only known that its maximum take-off weight should be approximately ten tons. With such parameters, the Skat had quite good calculated flight data. With a maximum speed of up to 800 km / h, it could climb to an altitude of up to 12 thousands of meters and travel in flight up to 4000 kilometers. Such flight data was planned to be provided using a RD-5000B turbojet engine with a 5040 kgf thrust. This TRD was created on the basis of the RD-93 engine, but initially it is completed with a special flat nozzle, reducing the visibility of the aircraft in the infrared range. The engine air intake was located in the nose of the fuselage and was an unregulated intake device.

Inside the fuselage of the characteristic form "Skat" had two cargo compartments of 4,4x0,75x0,65 meters in size. With such dimensions in the shipment compartments it was possible to hang guided missiles of various types, as well as adjustable bombs. In a number of sources it was mentioned that the Skate airborne equipment was planned to be adapted only for ground attack, which would reduce the possible range of guided weapons, reducing it to air-to-surface types. The total mass of the load of the "Stingray" should be approximately equal to two tons. During the presentation, at the MAKS-2007 cabin, near the Skat, there were X-31 missiles and KAB-500 adjustable bombs.

The composition of the onboard equipment implied by the project was not disclosed. Based on information about other projects of this class, it is possible to draw conclusions about the presence of a complex of navigation and sighting equipment, as well as some possibilities for autonomous actions. However, official data on the Skat electronic equipment have not been received for five years.

After the first demonstration, the Scat project was mentioned several times in official sources, but it was subsequently closed. At present, as mentioned in some sources, the developments of the MiG corporation under the Skat project are being used by the Sukhoi company in the development of a promising drone drone.


Waiting for the Russian heavy shock droneThe Yakovlev Breakthrough program is still one of the most mysterious in stories modern Russian aircraft industry. All information about it is limited to a few paragraphs of text and a table with approximate characteristics. Even the approximate dates of commencement of work in this direction are not completely clear.

Presumably in the late nineties in the Design Bureau. Yakovlev began to consider the possibility of creating a multi-purpose unmanned aerial vehicle with extensive use of the developments of the Yak-130 project. There is evidence of a positive opinion regarding the possibility of using on the drone a significant part of the onboard radio-electronic equipment of the original training aircraft. It was assumed that such an approach could facilitate the development and production of a new UAV, as well as provide a high degree of unification of the UAVs of the same family. The latter possibility was particularly important, since the Breakthrough program meant the creation of several unmanned aerial vehicles for various purposes - impact, reconnaissance, and radar detection UAVs.

In the middle of the two thousand years, the first details appeared regarding the appearance of the Proriv family drones. Thus, the shock version had to be somewhat similar to the MiG Skat, a flying wing with one engine and internal cargo compartments for armament. At the same time, in one of the available “Breakthrough-U” drawings (this is how the shock drone is marked), a triangular wing is visible, and two air intakes are visible on the upper surface of the wing. In other images, “Breakthrough-U”, also referred to as Yak-133BR, has hull lines and air intake placement similar to the “Skat”. With a take-off weight of about ten tons, the impact version of the Breakthrough UAV was supposed to have an estimated practical ceiling of about 15-16 kilometers and a maximum speed of 1050-1100 km / h. According to various estimates, the payload of such a drone should have been two or three tons. Obviously, the range of weapons would be the same as that of the Skat: guided missiles and bombs for attacking ground targets, suitable for weight and size parameters.

The image of the three-dimensional model of the Proryv-U, similar to the Scat UAV, also shows two other aircraft, the reconnaissance Proryv-R and Proryv-RLD, intended for radar detection. Their gliders almost do not differ from each other. At the same time, the reconnaissance Breakthroughs are significantly different from the strike version. Versions "P" and "RLD" on the images instead of the swept wing of medium elongation have a wing of small sweep, large elongation and small narrowing. Thus, losing shock drone at maximum speed, reconnaissance vehicles can have higher characteristics of takeoff and landing, as well as a long flight at high altitudes. In addition to the characteristic wing, Proryv-R and Proryv-RLD are equipped with tail feathers of the original design. Two comparatively thin beams, on which two surfaces are fixed, depart from the fuselage of the UAVs. Obviously, the rudders placed on them can be used for pitch and yaw control. Finally, the powerplant of both reconnaissance UAVs of the Breakthrough program is located in the nacelle at the rear of the fuselage. The most significant difference in the appearance of the "Proryva-R" and "Proryva-RLD" is a large radome onboard the radar on the latter.

According to reports, the Prorivy reconnaissance drones were supposed to have a takeoff weight of about ten tons, but the Proryv-R was slightly lighter. Simultaneously, the mass of the target equipment was reduced to 1000-1200 kilogram. Compared with the shock option changed flight characteristics. For example, the maximum speed of the scouts fell to 750 kilometers per hour. At the same time, Proryv-R, according to calculations, could rise to a height of about 20 kilometers and be in the air for at least 18-20 hours. Breakthrough RLD, in turn, due to slightly deteriorated aerodynamics — it was influenced by a large radome antenna over the fuselage — had to have a ceiling about 14 kilometers and fly for 16 hours.

Unfortunately, this ends all open information on the Breakthrough program. In the few years since the release of the first data, the OKB Design Bureau. Yakovlev did not publish new details. Probably, the Proriv project of the heavy UAV was closed due to the higher priority of other unmanned programs.


The projects "Skat" and "Breakthrough" belong to the category of UAVs, the take-off weight of which significantly exceeds one ton. All projects of domestic designers in this direction until the end at the design stage. At the same time, another project of a drone drone, which nevertheless reached the prototype testing stage, had much less weight.

Dozor-600 UAV (developed by Transas company), also known as Dozor-3, is much lighter than Skat or Breakthrough. Its maximum take-off weight does not exceed 710-720 kilogram. At the same time, due to the classical aerodynamic layout with a full-fledged fuselage and a straight wing, it has approximately the same dimensions as the Skat: a wingspan of twelve meters and a total length of seven. A place for target equipment is provided in the nose of the Patrol-600, and a stabilized platform for observational equipment is installed in the middle. In the tail of the drone is located propeller group. Its basis is the piston engine Rotax 914, similar to the IAI Heron and the American MQ-1B Predator installed on Israeli.

The 115 horsepower engine allows the Dozor-600 drone to accelerate to a speed on the order of 210-215 km / h or to make long flights at cruising speed in 120-150 km / h. When using additional fuel tanks, this UAV can be airborne for up to 24 hours. Thus, the practical range of flight is approaching the mark of 3700 kilometers.

Based on the characteristics of the UAV "Dozor-600", we can draw conclusions about its purpose. A relatively small take-off weight does not allow him to carry any serious weapons, which limits the range of tasks to be solved only by intelligence. Nevertheless, a number of sources mention the possibility of installing various weapons on Dozor-600, the total mass of which does not exceed 120-150 kilograms. Because of this, the nomenclature of weapons permissible to use is limited only to certain types of guided missiles, in particular anti-tank missiles. It is noteworthy that when using the Dozor-600 anti-tank guided missiles, it largely becomes similar to the American MQ-1B Predator, both in terms of its technical characteristics and composition of its weapons.

However, it is too early to talk about the combat prospects of the Dozor-600 drone. The fact is that the recent successes of this project relate to the 2010 year. In July, the 2009 began flight tests of a large-scale prototype. A bit later, the model of the drone was demonstrated at the MAKS-2009 cabin. Shortly after participating in the exhibition, new reports on the “Dozor-600” project began to appear less and less. In 2010, the full-size prototype of a drone took off. But in October of the same year, the developer company announced the termination of work on the project. This decision was due to the lack of financial support from potential customers. The Transas company was not able to pay for the Dozor-600 debugging on its own and therefore closed the project. In this case, as stated, most of the work on the project, including the creation of on-board radio-electronic equipment, had already been completed by that time. It is possible that in the future the groundwork for “Patrol-600” will be used in new projects.


As we see, the development of heavy unmanned aerial vehicles of percussion purposes in our country is going through not the best of times. All projects that seemed promising were either completely closed or their condition raises serious questions. For this reason, high hopes are associated with the new project of the Sukhoi company. Some sources claim that these design works were code-named “Hunter”. At the moment there is very little information on this project. Perhaps the lack of information associated with finding the project in its early stages.

The history of the Sukhoi design bureau project began in 2009, when the leadership of the United Aircraft Corporation announced plans to involve MiG and Sukhoi in the development of a joint project of a heavy UAV. The relevant agreements between aircraft manufacturers were signed in 2011 and 2012. In April last year, the Ministry of Defense approved the technical requirements for a promising percussion UAV, and in the summer there was information about the selection of Sukhoi as the main contractor for the project. At the same time, approximate information appeared on the timing of the work under the Hunter program. It was alleged that the first flight of the device will take place in the 2016 year, and it will go into service in 2020 or later.

Since the research on the “Hunter” theme began only a few months ago, the technical details, as well as the list of military demands, have not yet become public knowledge. There is information about the requirement for a modular architecture of the UAV, which will allow it to quickly change the set of onboard equipment, depending on the current task. In addition, ambiguous, if not fantastic, versions appeared in some unofficial sources. For example, there were suggestions about the development of a drone drone with the ability to perform tasks characteristic of fighters, and the alleged "Hunter" will correspond to the sixth generation of this class of technology. For obvious reasons, it is too early to talk about the veracity of such allegations, because the sixth generation fighter general criteria have not even been formed yet.


In general, heavy drone drone in our country can not be called a particularly successful class of technology. The total number of such projects is insignificant, while not one of them has reached mass production and adoption. Thus, any such project will be of increased interest and high hopes will obviously be placed on it. Foreign armies have long and successfully used UAVs capable of carrying weapons, but in our country there is no such equipment yet. As a result, any project of similar designation may be “appointed” as the savior of the Russian unmanned industry.

However, to date, active work is carried out only on one project, which will be embodied in metal and composites only in three years, and will go into service even later. Due to the absence of other active works in this direction, the “Hunter” theme turns out to be the only candidate for the title of the first domestic heavy impact UAV. I would like this project to be completed successfully and in our army a new technique has finally appeared, the effectiveness of which has been proven by foreign analogues.

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  1. +20
    10 January 2013 08: 53
    Judging by the development of UAVs in the world and the beginning of the movement with us, I’m sure that soon there will be not only models. And financing is more or less adequate now. Plus, we are restoring the network of airfields. And the main plus-stool was removed with its mandavokh ... still in the North of it, to remove the snow ...
    1. +7
      10 January 2013 09: 15
      Quote: Mitek
      Judging by the development of UAVs in the world and the beginning of the movement with us, I’m sure that soon there will be not only models. And financing is more or less adequate now. Plus, we are restoring the network of airfields. And the main plus-stool was removed with its mandavokh ... still in the North of it, to remove the snow ...

      WITHOUT 10O% of the working GLONAS system - this is not feasible. First (thinner in parallel), you need to clean up ROSKOSMOS (having transplanted someone) Start the GLONAS system, only then long-range UAVs will be able to complete the tasks.
      1. +13
        10 January 2013 10: 15
        Quote: atalef

        Composition of the GLONASS KNS group as of January 10.01.2013, XNUMX

        In total, as part of the GLONASS OG 29 KA
        Used for their intended purpose 23 spacecraft
        Temporarily withdrawn for maintenance 2 spacecraft
        Orbital reserve 3 spacecraft
        At the stage of flight tests 1 spacecraft

        Integral accessibility of ground consumer navigation via GLONASS system
        (PDOP <= 6) on a daily interval: elevation angle of at least 5 degrees.
        Date: 10.01.2013.
        . Areas with 100% availability are marked in white navigation through the GLONASS system during the current day.

        Availability is calculated based on the current almanac for a daily interval as a percentage of time during which the condition PDOP <= 6 is fulfilled at spacecraft elevation angles> = 5 degrees, where PDOP is a positional (three-dimensional) geometric factor. Calculation resolution: by time - 4 minutes and by surface - 1 degree.
        1. +10
          10 January 2013 10: 21
          Calculation of visibility zones for the IAC tracking station (Korolev) during the day.
          During the day, at least four spacecraft are "visible"
          1. +8
            10 January 2013 10: 33
            Observation points
        2. +4
          10 January 2013 18: 33
          Well instant availability online GLONASS for the consumer to the current state.
          As can be seen for the Northern Hemisphere in the region 0 95-0.99. And in Russia 100
          1. +1
            11 January 2013 00: 50
            Wow, it turns out that we had such "toys" (are there?), But all tryndyat what is not, and what about polymers ... fucking. Everything is there, it remains to develop and do!
      2. Region65
        11 January 2013 03: 22
        those who steal in GLONAS should not be jailed and launched into Earth orbit ... let them fly there and interfere with enemy satellites with their torsos :)
      3. Dr.oPaSaYn
        11 January 2013 11: 59
        WITHOUT 10O% of the working GLONAS system - this is not feasible. First (thinner in parallel), you need to clean up ROSKOSMOS (having transplanted someone) Start the GLONAS system, only then long-range UAVs will be able to complete the tasks. Yes you are right, you need order in Roscosmos because long UAVs are controlled by satellites transferring pictures data control only high-speed broadband is capable of this, and this is the most expensive element of a UAV.
    2. vadimus
      10 January 2013 11: 31
      UAVs are a very promising area in the aircraft industry, and given the lack of personnel, we would like to make a breakthrough in this industry as soon as possible.
    3. rolik
      10 January 2013 13: 23
      Quote: Mitek

      This is exactly the project Skat was the first to create with us. Americans created their (and suspiciously similar) drone created much later. And before Skat, there was the Flight project (supersonic UAV), the production of Tupolev, who flew and carried out reconnaissance. I hope that with changes in the composition of the Ministry of Defense, changes will also occur in relation to the topic of UAVs.
      1. Windbreak
        10 January 2013 19: 34
        Quote: rolik
        Americans created their (and suspiciously similar) drone created much later.
        What are you speaking about? The X-45A flew in 2002, the X-47A flew in 2003. Full-size models of the X-47B and X-45C were shown in 2004 at the Farnborough International Exhibition
    4. +4
      10 January 2013 18: 07
      still in the North of it, remove the snow ...
    5. makar
      10 January 2013 21: 11
      Quote: Mitek
      still in the North of it, remove the snow ...

      and his boss Putin there for complicity!
      1. +1
        10 January 2013 22: 33
        Makar you and people like you for spreading disinfection on the Internet!
        1. makar
          11 January 2013 20: 01
          those. Is Putin not responsible for whom he himself appointed?
          oh forgot Putin naive, honest, it is around the king bad boyars!
          as soon as he became a KGB colonel?
          PS do not try envoy do not become
  2. +2
    10 January 2013 09: 08
    All the accumulated knowledge should be used when creating a new UAV, taking into account the experience of our "partners". And be one step ahead. There are opportunities, but not disclosed. It will be interesting if you hit air targets.
  3. +5
    10 January 2013 09: 14
    So far, there is no specific information on our developments. Considering that work is not going shaky or roll on light UAVs that are more "open" in terms of information, then for heavy drones it looks like green longing ... sad
    1. Dr.oPaSaYn
      10 January 2013 13: 30
      There are a lot of developments, especially a lot of especially small UAVs, but the amount that goes into the army is really bad, and the number of UAVs can be built incomparably more than airplanes and the cost is lower than the apparatus itself and the training of operators.
  4. +5
    10 January 2013 09: 16
    I liked the Yakolev project - a breakthrough. Other developments are very similar to copies of the West.
    1. larsky1
      10 January 2013 11: 54
      Yes, even if they copy, at least something we will have ...
    2. +3
      10 January 2013 13: 46
      You will probably be surprised, but many of our things were invented first. And in the days of humpbacked scum, these ideas went over the hill. And there already went into a series. So who is who and who copied the open question ...
      1. Sleptsoff
        10 January 2013 16: 51
        While we chewed snot they released into the series, everything else is just an excuse. The question is closed.
        1. +1
          10 January 2013 20: 54
          While we drowned in the shit of Western propaganda?
          1. Sleptsoff
            11 January 2013 13: 30
            Well, this is no better than drowning in the shit of Russian propaganda that supposedly there would be nothing without the Russians. It is necessary to look soberly at life that everyone is stealing from each other, no one has canceled industrial espionage, and if a crumbling country itself offers you blueprints, it’s a sin not to buy, so it’s only ourselves who are to blame. Everything else is the position of a loser who is used to blaming anyone but everything but himself.
        2. Baboon
          11 January 2013 20: 36
          Nevertheless, it should be noted that shock UAVs have only recently appeared and are not so perfect, and it is not known what development they will receive in the future. So, until the question really closes, Russia must develop and test its UAVs. So let them build, experiment.
      2. +2
        10 January 2013 20: 52
        I may not say anything new, but it was after Garbatidze that it took a lot more, it's about the institutes where computers with the first Internet access were installed directly wherever you think !!! For many years, one way or another, we have been seeing our work, just do you want to look at this world if the Russians had never happened at all, most likely the development would stop on feudalism !!!! To this day we have been drunk with these slops and they say that it is our fault, that's all, always. Wait and see hi
      3. +1
        10 January 2013 22: 28
        Quote: Mitek
        You will probably be surprised, but many of our things were invented first. And in the days of hunchback scum, these ideas went over the hill ....

        + 100!
        And not just ideas - drawings were exported !!! ...

        And ideas were exported at all by tons!
        In the times of Yeltsin and Kravchuk, when institutions were abandoned by the state to complete arbitrariness and scientists survived as best they could, the Soros Foundation offered ("free of charge") grants to those of our scientists who worked on interesting and promising topics. To receive a grant, it was necessary to draw up a detailed note about the essence of one's work, tell about the state, prove its reality and prospects. If the topic was recognized as promising, a person received a grant of $ 500-1000 (in those days, it was possible to buy an apartment for 2000). If it was not recognized as promising, I did not receive it. (But the note describing his work was the property of the Soros Foundation anyway.)
        Anyway, those who received grants were often unable to complete development and patent their ideas, and well-funded American science had every opportunity to quickly move beyond the author of the idea. (Moreover, American intelligence received information about who, where, at what institute, is working on what ...)

        That's how the States stole ideas for a penny.
        Now they pass them off as theirs, and the uninitiated laugh when they are told that the rich and smart States have stolen them from us.
        1. Kir
          10 January 2013 23: 09
          Skating rink, I will not correct a lot, the states did not steal, but bought what was stolen!, Since they often traded not with their inventions, but with collective and clean-up people who had nothing to do with the work. except as a place of work! So if anyone and condemn so in the first place their "own citizens"! Including ..... those in power!
          1. 0
            11 January 2013 01: 18
            Quote: Kir
            The skating rink, I’ll not fix it much, the states did not steal but bought the stolen goods!

            I do not agree. Since they did not buy rights the authors on their ideas or development, and of the type immediately helped money, patronized. The person who received the grant did not thereby refuse copyright, and did not sell them. And if after some time it was discovered that someone in the States was working on the same and sometimes more successfully, then only the author vaguely suspected something was amiss. The rest more often thought that ideas were in the air.
            Therefore, this can not be called stealing.

            And for people who had nothing to do except the place of work to receive grants for collective development, I don’t know this. At least in Ukraine, the Soros Foundation meticulously found out the authorship, and financed precisely those who could prove it. I understand that by doing so they secured themselves from possible troubles (it’s more difficult to steal from the team), and at the same time they compiled a file cabinet, identifying talented and promising scientists.
            1. Kir
              11 January 2013 03: 03
              It's just that we're not talking exactly about one and the same thing, you say as far as I understand about ongoing topics, I’m about the "deceased", when it’s not something that the institutions were closed! And as for gratuitous help, then one aspect needs to be clarified, he-the author worked with them on the basis of what agreements, because amers who were sufficiently adept in this matter hardly went for open theft, rather it looks like a fraudulent scheme with legal cover. By the way, and the equipment and consumables, whose were they?
            2. 0
              11 January 2013 06: 56
              It’s absolutely true, That’s how they divorced us, What’s most interesting and those in power rushed to such projects,
            3. +1
              11 January 2013 12: 57
              In Yekaterinburg there is the Institute of Physics of Metals, since the beginning of the 90s. the South Koreans have brought up many topics. And today the Samsun office is pleased to place its orders for developments in the RF institutions.
              Soros Foundation "knee-deep" rested with its pribluds.
              Therefore, today, the Samsun office is practically the world leader in consumer electronics.
      4. 0
        11 January 2013 06: 47
        This is very similar to those toys with which they fussed back in those distant years. There was another miracle, a flying saucer was being prepared, the layout was also lying somewhere if you didn’t have time to cut it,
  5. +2
    10 January 2013 09: 26
    Let them train and create. Such machines are very necessary. And the sooner the better.
    1. sq
      10 January 2013 12: 33
      In the meantime, in an emergency, you can convert decommissioned aircraft into disposable unmanned "gifts". Cheap and cheerful. For example: takeoff on radio control, flight and work on targets according to the program, in case of return, landing as well as takeoff. And the old planes capable of one or two sorties are gathering up, everything is better than shredding the Chinese for scrap.
  6. borisst64
    10 January 2013 09: 54
    It is also necessary to develop electronic warfare in order to seize control of enemy drones and adversary with his own club.
    1. nnkfrschk
      10 January 2013 12: 16
      It is necessary to create a new class of UAVs - unmanned fighters, "drone killers".
      True, now UAVs with aerobatics have problems.
      1. Kir
        10 January 2013 20: 02
        The question is, what does aerobatics have to do with it, though it depends on what you mean by that? maybe thinks about the same thing, we only formulate differently, the main thing here is that to conduct a remotely maneuverable battle, most likely it’s a matter of a distant future, so so far only a reconnaissance agent and a supplier of "cargo", and then in the latter version it is more the presence of a "guide"
        And the fact that ours will "give birth" to something worthwhile, I have no doubt, if only they did not rush and put a spoke in the wheels, and most importantly, they should monitor the secrecy and clean up the fifth column in time!
    2. 0
      10 January 2013 22: 34
      Quote: borisst64
      It is also necessary to develop electronic warfare in order to seize control of enemy drones and adversary with his own club.

      Cool idea! good

      And yet an interesting method of dealing with drone drums is described in Pelevin's art collection "Pineapple water for a beautiful lady", developed and applied in Afghanistan by such a character as Savely Skotenkov.
      Who did not read - I recommend!
      Fiction, of course, but interesting ...
    3. 0
      20 July 2014 20: 35
      Quote: borisst64
      It is also necessary to develop electronic warfare in order to seize control of enemy drones and adversary with his own club.

      Iran has already managed to seize control of an American drone once - then the Iranian military did it with the help of the Russian electronic warfare "Avtobaza". Air force + air defense + missile defense + electronic warfare + radar reconnaissance + optoelectronic air defense (for example Phoenix) - excellent defense of Russia from the sky.
  7. heretic
    10 January 2013 11: 13
    Judging by the "gifts" of amer UAVs to Iran with electronic warfare, we have more or less. I hope that Iran provides us with access to "gifts" and there is an opportunity to take into account the development of sworn friends.
  8. nnkfrschk
    10 January 2013 12: 15
    According to avionics, Russia and its aircraft are traditionally leaders. But the lack of its elemental base, and some lag in the field of electronic equipment is causing concern. I hope that Russia will solve this problem, moreover, in its own spirit - having developed it later, but in quality it is better than its Western counterparts!
    1. mamba
      10 January 2013 13: 13
      Quote: nnkfrschk
      According to avionics, Russia and its aircraft are traditionally leaders.

      Just the opposite. This term means the totality of all aviation electronic systems (communication, navigation, display and control of various devices) created on the basis of integrated microelectronic technologies and the creation on their basis of compact on-board high-performance computers, as well as fundamentally new automated monitoring and control systems. Here we are traditionally behind.
      And we were leaders in weapon systems, in gliders and engines.
      1. +3
        10 January 2013 21: 03
        Nevertheless, when the C300 complexes fell into the hands of the United States, to recreate the control system of all the guts proper, etc. whose systems were based on the principles of discrete mathematics, or rather the entire algorithm of the action of this system .............. and just remember BURAN !!!
        1. 0
          10 January 2013 21: 36
          For what minus ??? Just at least shoot back, or so lazy ???
          1. 0
            10 January 2013 21: 57
            Zero the minus.
        2. 0
          11 January 2013 11: 41
          It's too late to recall Buran. All software was recorded on magnetic tape, and there were no existing machines for reading. Interesting in paper left?
  9. 916-th
    10 January 2013 16: 25
    Engines, engines and more engines. There will be powerful, compact and efficient engines - it is not a problem for our design bureaus to build up "meat" (glider) on them. And, of course, electronic "stuffing".
  10. +1
    10 January 2013 16: 34
    Undoubtedly, Russia needs a new UAV - in a certain situation it is an irreplaceable thing (for example, in Chechnya or Afghanistan, the use of UAVs would save a lot of lives 100%) BUT, you should not assign too many functions to the ARMED UAVs, because there is ALWAYS the possibility of the enemy intercepting the UAV control, and if several armed drones fall into the hands of the enemy, they can thrust such a "knife in the back" that little will seem to anyone ... therefore, of course, it is necessary to develop this type of equipment, but VERY carefully, and in the first place, provide protection against interception of control.

    PS Good luck to Sukhoi and Mikoyan
  11. +3
    10 January 2013 17: 48
    Probably the most famous of all robots created in the image of a dog - AIBO. This abbreviation stands for "Artificial Intelligence Bot" or "Bot with Artificial Intelligence," and from Japanese translates as "buddy." The gadget developed by Sony can be called a unique product of its kind. This electronic dog is able to develop from a puppy into a mature dog (not physically, naturally) with a formed character and habits. This robot was manufactured and sold from 1999 to 2006, and over the years its software has gone through a lot of changes, updates and has been improved many times.
    I wonder what has to do with a UAV? Ask-Autonomy, "loyalty", that is, not the possibility of interception by means of electronic warfare.
    1. +3
      10 January 2013 21: 19
      Excuse me for the sarcasm, colleague, again if only the magazine "Modelist Constructor", "Technology of Youth" where did all the ideas come from ??? For the last thousands and thousands of years we have been at war, with everyone, and as a rule, we need high technologies of our own production, willingly, unwillingly, only for survival!
      And imagine no one took and did not interfere with the development of Russia !!! hi
      1. +1
        10 January 2013 21: 41
        Or maybe just this is our recipe and incentive to development !? winked
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        ?? We have been fighting for the past thousands and thousands of years, with all of us and as a rule, high technologies of our own production, willingly, forcibly, were needed only for survival!
      2. mamba
        10 January 2013 22: 57
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        And imagine no one took and did not interfere with the development of Russia !!!

        British Prime Minister Lord Palmerston once said in his heart: “The world seems so unfair when no one is at war with Russia!”
    2. mamba
      10 January 2013 23: 25
      What kind of robots the Japanese did not invent: they dance, and bark, and wag their tail, but for some reason, during the liquidation of the Fukushima accident, they picked up suicide bombers to rake the radioactive rubble.
      1. Kir
        11 January 2013 00: 03
        MAMBA Would you even better bring the case when our Mosquito boats got to the amers, then they were surprised by our computer Strongly in quotes, something like adding machines, and they themselves began to put them as backup systems, since in the conditions of increased initiation the crew I was alive and the electronics died, but we have, on the contrary, ekmpazh communicates in the kingdom of shadows and technology plows! unless the discs weld-weld!
        1. mamba
          11 January 2013 00: 13
          Our military-industrial complex required radiation resistance from newly developed semiconductor devices, corresponding to a lethal single dose for humans. For example, during an air battle in the zone of a rising nuclear mushroom, when the pilots are already dead, missiles must fly and hit targets with the dead on board. laughing
          When Bilenko hijacked the MIG-25 into Japan, the Voice of America squealed about the quality of avionics performed on miniature lamps. But in vain, because lamps, unlike field-effect transistors and thyristors, are not even afraid of neutrons, not to mention gamma, alpha and beta radiation. Yes, and to EMR they are more tolerant.
          1. Kir
            11 January 2013 03: 10
            Well, the loss of the lamp industry is a separate song, at one time, proponents of the progress of everything and everywhere eagerly proved a lot of things, including that the tube players yesterday, and that in fact they stole their own and professional equipment is still on lamps, and ours is even simple record player, at least I haven’t seen our new one!
            And about the Mosquitoes in reality, the story was.
      2. tolan777
        11 January 2013 13: 01
        Electronics in conditions of increased radiation is malfunctioning.
        1. mamba
          11 January 2013 13: 49
          Chinese - definitely yes. Russian with the acceptance of PZ - in accordance with the radiation resistance group.
  12. asf32wesdg
    10 January 2013 18: 35
    It just can't be !!! The FSB has created this http://sho.rtlink.de/FS62Am database about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. Really was really scared
    there are a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug up this. In general, there are good sides - this
    Information can be deleted from the site.
    I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...
  13. +2
    10 January 2013 18: 55
    As for the strategic ones, I will not say, but the flow production of UAVs in the Russian Federation has already been established. http://bmpd.livejournal.com/428625.html. And do not grumble that these are licensed devices. Experience with the Christie tank did not prevent me from reaching the T-90S.
  14. Andrey58
    10 January 2013 20: 48
    The creation of domestic strike UAVs can revive the idea of ​​an air carrier. We do not have airfields around the world, but the option of using UAVs from a carrier aircraft, such as the Tu-95, is extremely attractive.
    1. +1
      10 January 2013 21: 05
      Quote: Andrey58
      the option of using UAVs from a carrier aircraft, for example, with the Tu-95, is extremely attractive.

      Already there (in 2013 promised to be adopted)
      , and if you are talking about reusable, how will you return to the "uterus"?
      1. Andrey58
        10 January 2013 21: 42
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        how will it return to the "uterus"?

        There are two options, either splashdown in international waters (landing on the territory of the Russian Federation) and picking up by our ship, or some kind of capture system on an airplane, like fuel servicing tanks.
        1. +1
          10 January 2013 22: 15
          I think .., KP and strike. UAV-rocket wins. Cheaper and more efficient. In our realities, it remains to wait for PAK DA. They say they will take the TU-160 as a basis. And so --- yes, breakthrough projects are born from bold ideas.
          1. Andrey58
            10 January 2013 22: 28
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            CR and strike. UAV - rocket will win. Cheaper and more efficient.

            If you know when and where to beat, then yes. And if you need some time to visually observe an object on enemy territory and strike at the right time, then it is better to UAV.
  15. +2
    10 January 2013 20: 50
    Quote: vadimus
    take into account the lack of staff

    Yes and COVER !!!!!
  16. +1
    10 January 2013 21: 05
    UAVs need a new elemental base, engines, polymers, as well as special weapons. Someone is not very aware of breakthrough technologies in these areas!
    1. Kir
      10 January 2013 21: 22
      Well, about polymers, and most likely you probably meant artificial reinforcing fibers, we normally have the same amers, see what year of development the fibers are used, and for the epoxy resins themselves, unless they were stolen and patented there, we were doing better , but with the element base, well, here it is ..... So I dare to hope that not everything is so unambiguously bad, I still hope not everything was stolen, as in their time some shustriki "Red glue".
      1. 0
        10 January 2013 21: 44
        I'm interested in another !!! Our Rooks their UAVs perl in all holes !!!! And our Skates ????? Well, you just have to look, and then draw such conclusions!
        1. Kir
          10 January 2013 21: 55
          If you are talking about electronics, then ours, unfortunately, suffers greatly, at least suffered, in weight and dimensions, and the grown "flint sausages", let us say, were inferior to the same Japanese ones, ours had, if only I remember correctly, as of 1990 in length 450, against the Japanese 600mm, and in diameter approximately the same ratio, he himself held in his hands, since at that time he studied at the faculty of PPM-semiconductor devices and materials, specializing in illionics-ion plasma etching of semiconductors, by the way it turned out very interesting , we had labs in our specialty in the first year, ahead of the basic physics course!
          1. mamba
            10 January 2013 23: 18
            Quote: Kir
            If you are talking about electronics, then ours, unfortunately, suffers greatly, at least suffered, in weight and dimensions, and the grown "flint sausages", let us say, were inferior to the same Japanese ones, ours had, if only I remember correctly, as of 1990 in length 450, against Japanese 600mm, and in diameter approximately the same ratio,

            The issue is not the length and diameter of the single crystals of silicon, gallium arsenide, etc., but the purity and number of defects in the crystal lattice. But this is not the main thing. We are catastrophically lagging behind in the epitaxial growth of semiconductor structures. All modern growth equipment is exclusively imported and fabulously expensive. Materials used in epitaxy are also very expensive. And without this, you cannot create high-quality modern semiconductor devices, especially with quantum-dimensional structures.
            In addition to epitaxy in the manufacturing process, there are many exotic operations that require their specialized high-class equipment. And it is also imported, also expensive.
            In addition, semiconductor device manufacturing technology requires a multitude of chemicals of the highest purity.
            However, you, as a physicist, should be well aware of this.
            1. Kir
              10 January 2013 23: 54
              MAMBA, I just gave it up, to be honest, but in general, the main problem is that many unique and sometimes breakthrough technologies and equipment, either with a wild lag, were introduced or lost, and unfortunately not a single microelectronics suffers from this, but with regards to equipment here there may not be a completely successful example of the ratio of ours and the Swiss on the same! MCHZ "POLYOT", everything was high-precision, but what else our production suffers from may even to a greater extent who their technologist and who we have, and we get problems with technology, we did not level up at the expense of high-class specialists, and they have anyone, just not mediocre or sick in the head and hands, can be put on and nothing will happen, everything is so worked out! And given the current situation, also with professional education and sometimes irrecoverable loss of personnel, here ... general ..., with regards to the cleanliness, we just had more waste, and with regards to reagents, unfortunately, mostly strangers, here you are at everything not that 100 but for all 10 .... 0 are unfortunately right.