Unrealized projects of the USSR Navy

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Unrealized projects of the USSR Navy

The fact that the Project 1144 cruisers turned out to be large and expensive for a number of reasons was understood by admirals, designers, and shipbuilders. Therefore, the idea to make the ship a little smaller and, accordingly, cheaper appeared at the construction stage of the Kirov. This is how Project 1293 was born, which relied heavily on the previous project 1165.

The terms of reference for the design of these ships were issued to the Northern Design Bureau, and B.I. Kupensky (who had previously developed projects 50, 61 and the same 1144) was appointed chief designer. The resulting ship was slightly larger than Project 1164, but smaller than the Orlan. However, with the preservation of the nuclear power plant, since it was intended to accompany a nuclear aircraft carrier, which was already being prepared for construction in Nikolaev.



Approximate performance characteristics:

Displacement - 14 tons, length - 190 m, width - 210 m.
Armament: 16 vertical anti-ship missile launchers "Granit", collective defense air defense missile system "Fal" (modification of the air defense missile system "Fort") with ammunition of 64 missiles, air defense missile system "Dagger" with the same ammunition, two launchers of anti-aircraft missile system "Vodopad", two RBU-12000, twin universal 130-AU AK-130, four 30-mm six-barreled AK-630M assault rifles.

It should be noted that by this time, the new ships decided to abandon the 30-mm Kortik automatic anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems, due to their large weight and dimensions and the fact that in practice they did not have time to finish shooting with machine guns those not shot down with the help of their missiles enemy anti-ship missiles. Therefore, on the RKR Project 1293, interception in the near zone was carried out by the Kinzhal air defense system, and the completion of targets was carried out by ZAK AK-630 assault rifles, introduced into the general air defense circuit, but also with the possibility of individual guidance from its own radar. Two Ka-27 helicopters, with a stationary hangar in the stern.

On the basis of Project 1193, in order to unify the hull and power plant, they decided to develop a multifunctional air defense/anti-aircraft defense ship, Project 1199, code "Anchar". Initially, the ship was supposed to weigh 12 thousand tons, but then they decided to completely unify it with Project 1193. A later project had the same dimensions.

The first option with a nuclear power plant turned out to be not entirely successful in layout and was an air defense ship armed with three Uragan air defense systems with single-boom launchers, five Dirk combat modules (with one command module), a 130-mm universal twin gun and eight anti-ship missiles "Mosquito". Anti-submarine helicopter, one Ka-27, with a stationary hangar. Protection against enemy anti-ship torpedoes was to be provided by two RBU-6000 rocket launchers.

The project was supposed to be equipped with the most modern electronic weapons (from those available in the Soviet arsenal) fleet), including a long-range radar with a phased antenna array, a powerful sonar system, and an electronic warfare system. A gas turbine version of Project 1199 with enhanced air defense systems (Fal air defense missile system) was also developed by reducing the mass of the power plant; it was equipped with the Vodopad anti-ship missile system and the Moskit anti-ship missile system, the AK-630 ZAK and the Kinzhal air defense missile system, as more effective for providing short-range air defense/missile defense.

After recognizing that the development of a nuclear-powered missile cruiser of Project 1293 was inappropriate, the idea of ​​unifying ships “in terms of hulls and power plants” was abandoned, as a result of which the main dimensions of Project 11990 were reduced to 188x19 m, and the displacement was reduced to 10 tons. The speed was about 500 knots. . That is, up to the parameters of project 32.

The air defense of the modified project consisted of 4 Uragan air defense systems, 6 Kinzhal air defense missile launchers and 4 Kortik BMs, which had different control systems. Anti-submarine weapons were strengthened: in addition to two permanently deployed helicopters and RBU-6000 rocket launchers, the ship was equipped with two long-range Vodopad anti-submarine missile launchers.

In the aft part of the ship, in the area of ​​the Kinzhal air defense missile launcher, places were reserved on board for the new complex of anti-ship cruise missiles with a vertical launch (later Onyx) being developed, but “during the entire development of the project there was a long dispute about their necessity on this ship.” . The RBU-6000 installations were planned to be replaced in the future by the RKPTZ-1 (anti-torpedo defense rocket complex) “Udav”.

At the end of the 80s, in Nikolaev they even began cutting steel and issued orders for some units for the ship pr. 11990, but soon the work stopped.

The plant is already busy with work on the TAVKR and RKR Project 1164. It must be admitted that on these ships the ideas of universality have reached absurdity.

Alas, the collapse of the Union did not allow us to see what this would lead to.
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  1. +1
    9 October 2023 05: 02
    “Kortik”, due to their large weight and dimensions and the fact that in practice they did not have time to finish off with machine guns enemy anti-ship missiles that were not shot down with the help of their missiles.
    I wonder why?

    Alas, the collapse of the Union did not allow us to see what this would lead to.
    Why, they would build something. This is the Union, not a “new young country”.
    1. -1
      9 October 2023 08: 04
      Heavy launchers have a low reaction speed, but this does not prevent you from stepping on the rake in the Karakurt project.
      1. -1
        9 October 2023 08: 20
        Quote: Foma Kinyaev
        Heavy launchers have a low reaction speed, but this does not prevent you from stepping on the rake in the Karakurt project.

        Nonsense, this is decided by the power of the drives. And the angular speed of a rocket flying head-on is small.
        1. AAK
          +1
          9 October 2023 09: 05
          The Soviet Navy is just the result of the struggle between the “roofs” of various design bureaus in the Central Committee and the Defense Ministry, which in the overwhelming majority sold very mediocre monstrous freaks to elderly and narrow-minded admirals...
          1. +10
            9 October 2023 19: 41
            Quote: AAK
            The Soviet Navy is just the result of the struggle between the “roofs” of various design bureaus in the Central Committee and the Defense Ministry, which in the overwhelming majority sold very mediocre monstrous freaks to elderly and narrow-minded admirals...

            Then (70s - 80s) there was a rapid development of ship weapons systems and the Fleet itself was growing at a gigantic pace - for the last 15 years the USSR was on a par with the United States in terms of the tonnage of warships commissioned. In addition, the USSR did not have the luggage/experience of building and operating such a large Fleet; there were costs and unsuccessful projects. But basically the Arms Race was going on; it was necessary to build protection against enemy SSBNs to prevent them from reaching the launch lines in the Mediterranean and North Seas. That is why there is such an emphasis on anti-submarine ships and anti-submarine helicopter carriers/aircraft carriers (all the Krechets carried a squadron of anti-submarine helicopters). In addition, the need to combat AUG forced the arming of submarines and surface ships with heavy supersonic anti-ship missiles... and the relatively light and compact Onyxes were only in the project. But at the end of the Union, when “Onyxes” and “Grenades” were already approaching for vertical launch from UVP, projects appeared to modernize the already operational “Sarychs” and BOD Project 1155 into carriers of these anti-ship missiles and CBRDs. Together with the Vodopad PLUR, such weapon systems made it possible to pack weapons quite tightly and organically into a relatively moderately sized body. If the USSR had lived another 10 years, we simply would not have recognized our Navy.
            It was planned to install 4 UKSKs for 32 cells under "Grenades" or "Onyxes" for the already built "Sarychs" in place of the aft tower of the main battery. Plus, instead of the inclined launchers of the Moskit anti-ship missiles, they planned to install packages with 6 Onyx launch containers (they were then tested for launching from inclined launchers on an experimental RTO). As a result, the artillery destroyer (as it was created according to the terms of reference) "Sarych" would carry 12 anti-ship missiles "Onyx" and 32 "Grenades" in the UVP. And this is with a good medium-range air defense system. And immediately the purely escort ship began to play with completely new colors of strike capabilities.
            1155 were also going to be modernized during a mid-life repair with the replacement of the second turret with the 4th UKSK, instead of the Rastrub launcher, 2 x 6 Onyxes in inclined launchers, the Vodopad anti-aircraft missile system and the Shtil air defense missile system with the Kortika launchers in place "on the waist. And the project 1155 itself was going to be developed during the construction of new ones into an analogue of the early “Burke” - 8 KKSK on the tank, 2 x 6 “Onyxes”, “Waterfall”, air defense systems “Shtil” and “Dirk”. These ships were going to be laid down in this guise already in the early to mid-90s.
            Work was also underway on shipborne radar systems consisting of 4 fixed phased array antenna panels. In the 90s, all this would have been fully implemented on ships under construction, and there would have been no talk of any lag in surface forces from the US Navy. By 2000, the USSR Navy was supposed to have 10 aircraft carriers in service, 4 of which were nuclear-powered. With catapults and Yak-44 AWACS aircraft. The first 4 Krechet were planned to be modernized into full-fledged light aircraft carriers of the Vikramaditya type. At the "Zaliv" in Kerch they planned to build a series of UDC - amphibious helicopter carriers.
            Preparations were being made for the decommissioning of a mass of old ships and submarines and the development of basic infrastructure.
            Regarding the structure of the Navy that Gorshkov built, one must understand that the basis of the strike forces of the Fleet, armed with heavy anti-ship missiles, were SSGNs, which accompanied each KUG. The surface ships carried out reconnaissance and target designation, and also covered the SSGNs from attacks by anti-submarine aircraft and enemy surface forces. And since the USSR Fleet was then greatly inferior numerically and qualitatively to the US surface fleet, but superior in submarines and submarines in general, the task during a combat clash was to detect and destroy the main forces of the enemy. The task of one's own survival was not a priority. In the event of war, our KUGs and operationally deployed squadrons were suicide bombers, but they managed to give target designation to the SSGN to ensure the destruction of the enemy’s AUG or KUG. And in the case of existing target designation, they had every chance of hitting the enemy and leaving the battle.
            And the American command was very wary of staying within salvo range of our heavy anti-ship missiles. Moreover, they themselves had nothing like this for a long time. And when anti-ship missiles appeared, they were “Harpoon” and later “Tomahawk” in anti-ship design (with a seeker from “Harpoon”). And our MRA on the Tu-16, Tu-22M2\M3 and Tu-95 with heavy and unbreakable anti-ship missiles X-22 was also a thorn for them.
            So you shouldn’t look with surprise at the abundance of different types of BODs and cruisers with heavy anti-ship missiles in the USSR Navy. These were the tasks our Fleet faced. Not easy.
            1. IC
              -1
              11 October 2023 22: 00
              Even then, the country did not have such resources to build such a fleet. And the race for the United States in the military-industrial complex was one of the reasons for the collapse of the country’s economy.
          2. +1
            23 October 2023 07: 32
            In all countries, the struggle for expensive military orders is not carried out using the most noble methods. Both bribery and setups - everything is used.
        2. +3
          9 October 2023 13: 25
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Nonsense, this is decided by the power of the drives. And the angular speed of a rocket flying head-on is small.

          "Kortik" most likely had a problem with parallax - the machine guns were too widely spaced.
          Plus dynamic loads from two GSh-6-30 - 7 tons of recoil from each machine gun.
  2. 0
    9 October 2023 08: 48
    On the basis of Project 1193, in order to unify the hull and power plant, they decided to develop a multifunctional air defense/anti-aircraft defense ship, Project 1199, code "Anchar". Initially, the ship was supposed to weigh 12 thousand tons, but then they decided to completely unify it with Project 1193. A later project had the same dimensions.

    Still, project 1293, author - correct the error.
  3. +6
    9 October 2023 09: 16
    Once again, the crisis of the genre in VO is being solved by rewriting Wikipedia, and with errors. The author never wrote about the main feature of the power plant of the Project 11990 Anchar ships. It was a combined nuclear-gas turbine.

    1. +2
      9 October 2023 11: 40
      Quote from Frettaskyrandi
      It was a combined nuclear-gas turbine.

      what for? part of the time you carry a gas turbine unit and fuel on yourself, taking up volume and weight...
      + fiddling with port infrastructure
      APPU for surface ships

      APP for surface ships "KN-3" (core of type VM-16) was created based on the experience of construction and operation of steam-producing installations of icebreakers. In its design, it is practically no different from the OK-900 nuclear installation of the Rossiya class nuclear icebreakers. The design flaws of these installations from a safety point of view are the same as for third-generation nuclear submarines. Currently, nuclear-powered surface ships (NSCs) have no less problems than nuclear-powered submarines. This is mainly due to the fact that during the creation of nuclear surface ships the issue of creating a complex for their basing was not resolved. As a result, the nuclear installations of the ANK Nakhimov and Ushakov were operated for a long time without major repairs, since the base complexes could not provide the ships with the necessary power supply, steam, etc. The service life of the equipment was exhausted very quickly, no funds were allocated for repairs, and the ships were taken out of service.

      2 pieces VVR

      There was also a purely gas turbine version of Project 11990, which had enhanced air defense systems (the Fal air defense system) due to the reduction in the mass of the power plant, and was equipped with the Vodopad anti-aircraft missile system and the Moskit anti-aircraft missile system. The Kortik air defense system was abandoned in favor of the AK-630 air defense system and the Kinzhal air defense system, as more effective in terms of short-range air defense and missile defense
    2. 0
      9 October 2023 13: 01
      Comrade below confirmed. The combined gas turbine - nuclear power plant was abandoned quite quickly, because it was considered unreasonable to carry both the gas turbines themselves and the fuel for them as ballast.
    3. +1
      10 October 2023 13: 08
      I am not on the payroll of VO))) I write when I find something interesting. If you're not interested, you don't have to read it)))
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  5. 0
    9 October 2023 09: 58
    Um, I don’t quite understand, the project description indicates 16 “Granites”, but in the picture presented there are 32 of them.
    1. +1
      9 October 2023 11: 07
      Quote: Forcecom
      Um, I don’t quite understand, the project description indicates 16 “Granites”, but in the picture presented there are 32 of them.

      Pfff... doesn’t it bother you that in this funny picture the DD air defense missile system is arranged in such a way that between its air defense system and tits Is the radar superstructure located? wink
    2. +3
      9 October 2023 13: 04
      The picture is purely illustrative. Because they never existed in hardware. One of the proposed options is drawn; in total there were 24 of them.
      1. -1
        9 October 2023 18: 46
        Quote: TermNachTER
        Because they never existed in hardware.

        If they built your version of the picture,
        there would be room for modernizers... wink
        1. +4
          9 October 2023 20: 17
          This is not my option, but KB's. Personally, I really regret the collapse of the USSR. I lived there for 22 years and now I think those years were not the worst in my life.
          1. 0
            10 October 2023 15: 00
            Quote: TermNachTER
            This is not my option, but KB's.

            You chose it out of 24 from KB.
            That's why I called it yours.
            I lived under the USSR for 28 years.
            Youth is youth. wink
            1. 0
              10 October 2023 17: 38
              Yes, in youth everything is always perceived differently))) and the grass was greener, and the vodka tasted better, and the girls were more beautiful)))
  6. +8
    9 October 2023 10: 42
    Very recognizable text and diagram. Maybe we should mention the original source? A. N. Sokolov. "The pangs of creativity. Soviet missile cruiser" as a sign of respect for Alexei Nikolaevich?
    1. -2
      9 October 2023 12: 47
      Maybe we should mention the original source? A. N. Sokolov. "The pangs of creativity. Soviet missile cruiser" as a sign of respect for Alexei Nikolaevich?

      I think the author doesn’t even know about the existence of this book. He copied and pasted Wikipedia.
      1. 0
        9 October 2023 13: 06
        I don’t use Wikipedia as a matter of principle, you can write whatever you want in this trash heap, no one bears any responsibility for what is written.
        1. +1
          9 October 2023 13: 28
          I don’t use Wikipedia at all

          In polite society, when relaying someone else’s thoughts, it is customary to indicate the original source.
          1. +2
            9 October 2023 19: 10
            Well, VO is becoming more and more difficult to call a society of decent authors)
            1. 0
              9 October 2023 20: 19
              Is someone forcing you to read? You don’t have to go to VO at all; there are other sites with a similar profile.
      2. +1
        10 October 2023 09: 31
        There is no book as such, but in LiveJournal, on the page of A. N. Sokolov, there are many texts on the history of the fleet and especially many diagrams. It takes a few minutes to process these texts into PDF, or simply save them... But writing all this and drawing it is a lot of work. I would like to listen to Yevtushenko himself on this matter.
        1. -1
          10 October 2023 13: 10
          What did you want to hear? Everything I wanted was stated. I wanted to hear the opinions of other comrades on this issue.
  7. 0
    9 October 2023 16: 21
    except for two permanently based helicopters

    where is the helicopter hangar? Not visible in the picture
    1. 0
      9 October 2023 17: 38
      The hangar must be understood as below deck. The picture shows the doors on the stern. Although other options were possible, it was said that there were 24 options.
  8. 0
    10 October 2023 11: 03
    Quote from Digger
    what for? part of the time you carry a gas turbine unit and fuel on yourself, taking up volume and weight...
    + fiddling with port infrastructure

    Reactors of the VVER type are put into half-day mode; to leave the port you need a conventional power plant.
    1. 0
      10 October 2023 13: 12
      I don’t think that someone will “drive heavy cruisers out to sea” in emergency mode. Unless it's a nuclear missile strike, in which case 30 - 40 minutes is unlikely to change anything.
  9. -1
    12 October 2023 22: 32
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Nonsense, this is decided by the power of the drives. And the angular speed of a rocket flying head-on is small.

    Yes, it’s so easy to turn a 20-ton fool, and even with high angular velocities - what a smart guy, the cellar with the ammunition also had to be turned, but what is stabilization? A power solver. Why?
  10. -1
    17 October 2023 14: 42
    The collapse of the Union did not allow us to see the flights of the Buran and the subsequent Vulcan with a load of not 100, but 200 tons. I wonder, "what would this lead to?"

    This is already becoming a “feature of mentality.” Those who have progress are interested in knowing how the achievements of their predecessors developed, and for those who “everything is the other way around”, what is interesting is what has NOT been realized... For they are “getting in the way of their balls” and obviously nothing can lead them to anything good. And they are glad that “everything turned out okay.”

    As D. Medvedev once said to V. Popovkin when visiting Baikonur; "Your main achievement is that you didn't kill anyone today." Dimon will sometimes say something like that, you can’t make it up on purpose! Like... pilots will start flying and launching rockets, it’s really scary...... am
    1. +1
      23 October 2023 07: 38
      Almost all states on our planet, in different years of their existence, went through stages of rise and fall. After 1919, Russia, one might say, lay in ruins and nothing, “rose.” He who does not know his past has no future.