Results of rearmament-2012

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2012 year was for the Russian army a time of total rearmament. The most obvious reason is that over the past two decades, the number of new weapons in the Russian armed forces has decreased to 12 percent. A lot is planned by the government, but according to the results of 2012, it is obvious that this process is far from completion. We offer you the analysis of military equipment that has already entered the troops.

First of all, it should be noted that the armament of the missile units has undergone a significant upgrade. The acquisition of strategic missile forces with modern missile systems and complexes was carried out by a quarter. By the end of last year, the transfer to the mine-based Topol-M missile complexes was almost completely carried out in the Tatischev missile compound (thus, the 2013 complexes were in service with the 56 year).

The first Russian military unit that fully transferred to the Topol-M and Yars mobile complexes with intercontinental ballistic missiles was the Teikovsky unit of the rocket forces. It must be said that the new mobile-based Topol-M and Yars complexes are much more maneuverable, have more traffic, and are equipped with the best means of disguise.

Last year, the rearmament of the Novosibirsk and Kozelsky units of the Strategic Missile Forces, which will also soon have to be transferred to the Yars complexes, was also launched.

Thus, by the end of the past year, the armed forces had one hundred launchers with the Yars and Topol-M missile complexes, increasing the percentage of modern weapons in the rocket forces to 30 percent.

Results of rearmament-2012


Entered into service with the Russian troops, in particular the 26 of the Neman Rocket Brigade, and the Iskander-M missile system (taking into account further supplies, it is assumed that this year the Russian army will have about 70 such systems). This is one of the most effective complexes of its kind, which is significantly ahead of its foreign counterparts. Till 2020, the supply of 10 Iskander-M complexes to the troops is planned. The total number of complexes that the Russian army will receive before the 2020 of the year is 120 units. It should be noted that for serial production and supply of the required volume of Iskander-M OTRK last year construction began reconstruction of the production capacity of 17 specialized enterprises.



In 2012, four divisions of the S-4 Triumph anti-aircraft missile system entered service with various parts of the Russian army. Thus, currently in the Russian armed forces there are five S-400 regiments, which are deployed in Nakhodka, in the Moscow Region, on the Baltic navy (Kaliningrad region) and in the South-Eastern region. The S-400 is intended to replace the S-300PM on combat duty. This complex is significantly superior to the American Patriot system and has no analogues in the world.



Also in the spring of last year, the Russian armed forces received the 10 anti-aircraft missile gun systems Pantsir-S. It is a self-propelled short-range ground-based complex, which is designed to cover military and civilian objects from all possible air attack weapons.

In 2012, the rearmament also affected the Russian fleet. Both submarines and surface ships were launched.



So, currently at the stage of testing is the nuclear submarine "Severodvinsk". Severodvinsk is a multipurpose boat equipped with both cruise and strategic missiles that are capable of striking submarines and enemy carrier groups. A fourth-generation nuclear reactor is installed on the ship. One of the innovations is the rejection of the propeller, which allows you to get rid of the gear with gears, and this, in turn, allows you to get rid of noise. An electric motor came to replace the gearbox, and the propeller was replaced with a jet. In addition, to achieve invisibility by the enemy locators, each boat mechanism is equipped with a self-noise suppression system.

However, in the late summer of last year, information appeared that the boat had not passed the test due to problems with the nuclear power plant, which does not provide the specified power. In addition, the noise level is also not provided. Thus, Severodvinsk can enter service with the Navy no earlier than this year.



Passed factory tests and the invisible corvette "Boyky", built on the "Northern shipyard" in St. Petersburg. Its mission is to conduct operations in the near sea zone and to combat submarines and surface ships of the enemy, and in addition, it must provide artillery support for the landing force during the landing naval operations. The ship was built using technology "Stealth". During its construction, solutions aimed at reducing the physical field were also used. Thus, radar visibility was significantly reduced. However, the Boiky has not been adopted yet due to a delay in the delivery of artillery mounts, namely the Universal A-90 artillery system of 100 caliber of millimeters.



In August last year, the Russian Navy received the Dagestan rocket ship, which is based in the Caspian Flotilla. In its construction was also used "stealth" technology. The ship is equipped with special equipment that helps change the magnetic field and distort the real outlines of the ship. "Dagestan" is the first Russian ship on which the Kalibr-NK missile system is installed with several types of missiles. In addition, the ship is equipped with rapid-fire cannons and an anti-aircraft fire system. Thus, “Dagestan” is a multifunctional warship.

At the end of November, the anti-sabotage boat Rook of the 21980 project was put into service. He became part of the Black Sea Russian fleet. The boat has high tactical and technical characteristics, increased seaworthiness, is equipped with modern electronic equipment and power plant, which provides a wide range of tasks.



Last year, new aircraft also appeared in the Russian army. In particular, the Su-34 bomber is meant. In December last year, the company "Sukhoi" handed over to the Russian air force all the 10 Su-34 airplanes that were planned by the 2012 state defense order of the year. It must be said that the distinctive feature of this aircraft is that the bomber is controlled by a digital multichannel CDS, which is able to independently track angles of attack and overload. In addition, the Su-34 is also equipped with an active protection system, which does not allow access to an unacceptable flight mode and helps prevent collisions with the ground in the case of low-altitude flight. In addition, this system can automatically control the actions and physical condition of the pilots, the remaining fuel and the on-board system, and the approach.



Another aircraft, which replenished the fleet of the Russian Air Force, was the Su-35S. On December 28 of last year, transfer documents were signed for the 6 Su-35S. This is the fourth generation aircraft, which has been improved in accordance with modern development trends. aviation. The main distinguishing feature of the new fighter is its built-in electronics. It is equipped with an information-controlled system, the HO35 Irbis radar station, which is equipped with a phased passive antenna array. The radar computing unit is capable of simultaneously detecting and conducting 30 airborne or four ground targets.



Since the beginning of 2012, the Eastern Military District has received more than thirty new helicopters, in particular, the transport assault Mi-8AMTSH, the transport heavy Mi-26, and the shock Ka-52. In addition, by the end of 2012, the X-NUMX of Mi-8AMTSH helicopters also received a base of military aviation of the BBO, located in the Khabarovsk Territory. Six helicopters have arrived at the base.

Aircraft deliveries are carried out according to a large-scale state armaments program for the 2011-2020 year. Under this program, the air force of the Russian Federation should receive more than one thousand different types of helicopters. These include, in particular, the Ka-52 (according to some sources, around 10 units), Mi-28Н (around 12 machines), Mi-35 (4 machines transferred to the 6971 second AB of the Russian Air Force), Ansat (5 helicopters ). Thus, according to the results of 2012, the X-NUMX helicopters of the Ka-19, 52 Mi-66Н, 28 Mi-12 and 35 Ansat helicopters are in service with the Russian troops. In the spring of this year, the Russian Defense Ministry signed several contracts for the supply of aircraft. According to one of them, the troops will receive one hundred forty "Alligators" (Ka-15).



Last year, military units of the Southern Military District in the course of fulfilling the state defense order received modern upgraded amphibious transport helicopters Mi-8MTV-5 (as of 2012, the 19 machines were in service), which significantly differ from their predecessors - Mi-8MT machines. The helicopter can be used not only for transporting people and cargo inside the cabin, but also for large-sized equipment on an external carrier. The helicopter is arranged in such a way as to reduce the landing time. At the same time to increase the volume of the cargo compartment, the number of seats has increased significantly. Loading and unloading of cargo and landing is carried out at the expense of a hydraulically driven aft ramp, which replaces the side doors of the cargo hatch. This update allows you to leave the car in less than two minutes.



In general, air defense and air force received about 30 aircraft units, in particular, the Mi-8AMTSH, Mi-26 helicopters (7 machines). By the end of last year, another two dozen modern helicopters and airplanes were delivered to the troops of the Southern Military District.

Artillery units were also re-armed. Thus, in 2012, the newest radar artillery service for shooting and reconnaissance Zoo 1, the most modern means for conducting reconnaissance activities, is one of the best in the world. The peculiarity of this complex is the ability to use it in conditions of intensive shooting, an expanded sector of the review and a high range, a high probability of accurate reconnaissance on the first shot, automatic control of the work and transfer of intelligence to units, and in addition, built-in health monitoring.

The units of the Southern Military District also received the first batch of Tor-М1-2У anti-aircraft systems (the exact number of systems received in 2012 was not officially covered, but it is known that the total number of these systems 130 units). Systems arrived in the framework of the state defense order. This complex is designed to replace the system "Thor", "Wasp" and "Tor-M1", which up to the present time were in service.

Upgrading technology was carried out in other branches of the army. So, in particular, artillery combined-arms units of the Southern Military District, which are deployed in the Krasnodar Territory and the Volgograd Region, received in 2012 more than three hundred modernized and modern units of rocket-artillery equipment.



The main arrivals are 40 self-propelled howitzers "Msta-S" caliber 152 millimeter. Also 70 of Grad and Tornado multiple rocket launchers, more than two dozen Khost self-propelled artillery guns were put into service. A distinctive feature of all the received equipment is that it has a satellite navigation system GLONASS and equipment for telecode communication, which greatly increases the accuracy and efficiency of destruction, and also reduces the time to open fire.

The motorized rifle unit of the Southern Military District, which is deployed in the Volgograd Region, received the Tunguska anti-aircraft gun and missile systems. As of 2012 year, the total number of complexes that is in service with the army is 236 units. The complex has a distinctive feature compared to other means of air defense, which consists in a continuous zone of destruction.

The artillery unit of the Southern Military District, which is deployed in Ingushetia, received the 10 of the new anti-tank missile systems "Chrysanthemum-S".



As part of the state defense order, the Volgograd subdivision of the Southern Military District received the 6 upgraded Strela-10 anti-aircraft missile systems. Thus, the equipment of the mechanized infantry brigade with modern weapons is fully completed.

In addition, the troops received 20 missile anti-tank systems "Kornet", which is designed to destroy armored vehicles and is equipped with dynamic protection, as well as a laser guidance system. The complex includes a launcher with a device - a sight and pointing drives, a trigger mechanism and a thermal sight, as well as guided missiles that are located in launch canisters.

At the beginning of 2013, deliveries of special and automotive vehicles to the Russian military units 200 are planned. The land base will receive a general-purpose vehicle for service - several modifications of Ural vehicles with the wheel formula 4х4 and 6х6. In addition, moving assets will also be received for the maintenance of equipment and weapons in the field. Among them - maintenance workshops, elektrospetsrabot and others. According to the representative of the district, these cars have increased capacity and throughput, in addition, they are equipped for use in hot climates and can be used in off-road conditions. All these cars will be on the service and warranty service of the enterprise "Ural". This service will be conducted by on-site plant groups. Currently, 70 units of such equipment have arrived at the military base.

This is not a complete list of new weapons that appeared in the Russian armed forces. But it is hoped that if rearmament moves at the same pace, then national armed forces will soon be able to effectively ensure the security of the country, regardless of how the events in the world will develop.

Materials used:
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  1. +11
    5 January 2013 10: 02
    Not bad, but this is just the beginning. Newer and bigger. It's not about greed. and our good faithful friends around the world. They, damn it, also get new things. And by no means for playing sand ...
    1. +7
      5 January 2013 10: 13
      The beginning, this is 2007, and this: the end of "5 series"
      1. +3
        5 January 2013 16: 36
        People here is the news ...



        In Russia, multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) are being developed - the heirs of the legendary Katyushas, ​​which will be able to hit area targets at a distance of over 200 kilometers, Lieutenant Colonel Nikolai Donyushkin, a spokesman for the press service and information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the Ground Forces, told Interfax.

        "The capabilities of the modernized Tornado-S have been increased most significantly among the multiple launch rocket systems. The existing scientific and technical groundwork allows us to solve the problem of creating a new generation of multiple launch rocket systems with a range of more than 200 kilometers," the Defense Ministry spokesman said.

        At the same time, the Ministry of Defense assured that the Russian Ground Forces already have fire weapons that occupy a leading position in the world. "The maximum deviation of missiles of the Iskander-M operational-tactical complex does not exceed 15 meters. Work is underway to create missiles with warheads equipped with all-weather homing heads," Donushkin said.
    2. VAF
      VAF
      +19
      5 January 2013 12: 54
      Quote: erased
      Not bad, but this is just the beginning.


      Really ... but that's just about good .... request

      This is a minimum minimum. which will not save or prevent ANYTHING, except for opposition .. "Papuans" wassat

      The supply of single and piece sets, ships, aircraft ........ it is clear that at least something. But in fact ...... crying !!!

      Amazed by the comparison of helicopters with Mi-8MT ???? And why then not with Mi-4 ??? wassat
      Well, ..... "schedule" of ESDU work on the Su-34 ..... no words lol

      Before the Su-35S and Su-30SM yet .. live!

      About ships. especially about the corvette "Boykiy" .... there is nothing to say at all ... everything is said wassat

      But what an introduction fellow 2012 was a time of total rearmament for the Russian army.?? wassat

      Generally minus the article from me soldier
      1. +4
        5 January 2013 13: 42
        2012 was a time of total rearmament for the Russian army
        The most amazing thing is the merit of the disgraced minister Serdyukov.
        Finally, the unique submarine pr.955 "Yuri Dolgoruky" was completed for 16 years, as they once built churches, for centuries (in Japan, ships of such years are already being considered for decommissioning).
        Much still needs to be tuned, but it seems like they have moved from a dead point.
        1. MILITARY RF
          +6
          5 January 2013 14: 06
          The news is super ..... well, what do we want such times have gone soldier
        2. 0
          5 January 2013 21: 35
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          The most amazing thing is the merit of the disgraced minister Serdyukov.
          MERIT????? SERDYUKOV ????
        3. 0
          6 January 2013 19: 01
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          The most amazing thing is the merit of the disgraced minister Serdyukov.

          The most surprising thing is that "individual civilians" have not yet reached the point - the "disgraced" perdukov has no merits. And it could not be ... In principle, a thieving dilettante cannot have them.
          But the fact that the rearmament is by no means "total", but point-by-point, with many problems that are not written about in such articles, this is a great "merit" for him and others like him.
          But let's hope for the best! God will not betray, the pig (similar to disgraced) will not eat!
      2. toguns
        +14
        5 January 2013 17: 14
        Quote: vaf
        Really ... but that's just about not bad .... request

        This is a minimum minimum. which will not save or prevent ANYTHING, except for opposition .. "Papuans" wassat

        The supply of single and piece sets, ships, aircraft ........ it is clear that at least something. But in fact ...... crying !!!

        Amazed by the comparison of helicopters with Mi-8MT ???? And why then not with Mi-4 ??? wassat
        Well ..... "schedule" of ESDU work on the Su-34 ..... no words lol

        Before the Su-35S and Su-30SM yet .. live!

        About ships. especially about the corvette "Boyky" .... there is nothing to say at all ...... everything is said wassat

        But what kind of entry fellow 2012 was for the Russian army a time of total rearmament. ?????? wassat

        Generally minus the article from me soldier

        I do not agree with you Sergey need to think deeper :)
        here and there things go worse here and there are better.
        look here
        syas
        rearmament of nuclear deterrence forces on poplar-m and yars is it your way bad ??? at one time, I kind of thought that we had a hat there and nothing at all, and the designers are trying and making us happy, and the country's sovereignty depends on the presence of combat-ready sies.
        I think the development of syas is clearly a plus.
        air defense
        development and implementation with -400 is from the same opera that introducing poplar-m and yars honestly I didn’t even count 5 s-400 shelves this year and they were made, the news also concerns tori and carapace there is movement and I think there is modern which of our friends will cool his head.
        air force
        here, it seems to me the most interesting thing, many will probably be offended by me, but stupid generals and officers are to blame for the air force problem.
        they thought and wondered very much about why they needed the Su-30 and Su-35s and finally gave birth that they still need these machines, but time is lost and you won’t be able to play it right away.
        the same thing with the whole aviation to be put together in a heap, on the contrary to disperse the collapsed airfields.
        I think the problem of the air force is in the heads of the heads of the air force, they do not know what they want.
        navy
        the same as the air force with one difference, that a very great desire among senior officials to change those tasks, and this leads to long-term, incredible, but it is proved that the ship should be new in terms of ideas of 20-25 percent, if this percentage is higher, expect trouble to disrupt the adoption period.
        problems in the navy as well as in the air force in the absence of brains.
        ground troops
        the same problems with brains that the air force is so navy, but with their nuances they like to twist their noses and give up a ready-made solution a living example of a bmd landing and manic lyubof to the 74 series Kalashnikov assault rifle.
        same problems with understanding like the air force and navy.
        ps
        briefly summarize what was written, some branches of the army became hostages of their worthless ambitions and lack of elementary reasoning.
        the withdrawal of the heads of the navy air force and ground forces urgently to good-bye for brains, before it is too late.
        1. 0
          6 January 2013 19: 07
          Simplify, greatly simplify dear.
          Although at the heart of any problem is the lack of brains. The devastation is not in the outhouse ...
          Well, here's an interesting question.
          In civil aviation, for example, and the aviation industry, too, there are no "stupid generals and officers" there, what's the problem? what
        2. +2
          7 January 2013 00: 08
          toguns, of course, not everything is so gloomy, but when I read the comments of whiners, I involuntarily recall the saying "Never show a fool half of the work done" - they will not appreciate it. Whiners of harm to the country bring no less non-systemists. And when you ask any whiner what he has done for Russia today, the answer is silence. Like all around "woodpeckers" and they have some seven spans in the forehead.
      3. -5
        6 January 2013 11: 30
        Who are you going to fight with ??? And am I watching tomorrow already?
        1. Oleg Rosskiyy
          +3
          7 January 2013 00: 00
          Piligrim,
          And you look, I’m not very happy, lovers to attack by surprise and preferably weaker ones, you look against the background of Libya or Syria, the NATO armada you praise looks awesome, but against Russia it’s just an embittered, embarrassed and worthless rabble that has long lost your teeth.
      4. 0
        6 January 2013 13: 08
        Good day, Sergei. Merry Christmas, however! And we have already been plowing since January 3rd. The year 2013 "calculated" - it should work out, I'm not talking about the "Indians", everything is clear there. will of course, but most likely we will break through. I hope that politics will not interfere with the production process! Article, I support you, minus. And all again, Happy Holidays!
    3. +1
      5 January 2013 17: 19
      interesting photos in neighboring articles
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-01/1357168300_1.jpg
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-01/thumbs/1357358656_proekt-885.34408.jpg

      is one of them photoshop?
    4. Yoshkin Kot
      +1
      5 January 2013 23: 43
      bandupktinapodsud! how dare he! laughing
    5. +1
      6 January 2013 16: 24
      I have been waiting for this article for a long time. In fact, Rogozin promised to report. And here, as I understand it, the journalists themselves found and collected information from various resources.
  2. USA95
    0
    5 January 2013 10: 05
    It is the state of shipbuilding that is an indicator of the country's scientific and technological level and its military-industrial potential, accumulating in its products the achievements of metallurgy, mechanical engineering, electronics and the latest technologies. It is difficult to separate military shipbuilding from civilian one, since until recently the majority of Russian shipyards worked for defense, which necessitates their reconstruction with an orientation towards the construction of civilian ships. Without this, the production capacities released due to a reduction in Navy orders cannot be used to increase the construction of civilian vessels. Until 1990, domestic shipbuilding occupied one of the leading positions in the world. It provided a third of the world military shipbuilding, and the country was one of the ten most developed countries in the field of civil shipbuilding. More than 50% of the tonnage of the country's marine transport fleet, which ranks sixth in the world, 60% of the fishing vessels fleet, and 80% of the river fleet were built at domestic shipyards. The shipbuilding industry of the USSR annually produced ships and vessels for the Navy with a total displacement of more than 300 thousand tons.
  3. +10
    5 January 2013 10: 11
    So, in 2012, the Russian “gods of war” entered service with the latest Zoo-1 radar artillery shooting and reconnaissance service complex - the most modern means for conducting reconnaissance operations, which is one of the best in the world.

    I read about the "newest" complex in 1991 in the magazine "Technics-Youth". And now it came to our army 20 years later! All the same newest and of course "best in the world"! am
    1. Durant
      +4
      5 January 2013 10: 23
      As far as I know, at the end of the 90s. Zoo 1 had another radar ... so it's not all bad with this system ... apparently.
      1. -6
        5 January 2013 11: 03
        I also hope that in 20 years at least the microcircuits have been changed. And that the armies did not fit the same ineffective crap as the "Pantsir". Because there were many problems with the version of the 90s (although in general there is very little information about the "Zoo" sort of like in South Ossetia, he showed his inconsistency (I say right away, according to rumors))
        1. Durant
          +3
          5 January 2013 11: 20
          Greyfox,
          yes, according to rumors, he wasn’t there at all ... from that they rushed to buy now.
    2. USA95
      0
      5 January 2013 10: 31
      Either he is like Lenin, forever young, or we are being deceived very seriously. Honestly, I already got this bravado about the "newest, having no analog"
    3. +7
      5 January 2013 15: 34
      Yes, this article contains more inaccuracies than specifics. “The motorized rifle subunit in Volgograd received the Tunguska complexes. Really ?! In fact, we have had them for a long time.
      Next:
      "Within the framework of the GPV 2011-2020 program, the Russian Air Force should receive more than a thousand helicopters of various types. Including the Ka-52 about 10, the Mi-28N about 12", etc. So maybe this is all the same annual deliveries ?! But certainly not in 10 years !!!
      How do you like that? THUS, "SEVERODVINSK" MAY BE USED FOR WEAPONS BEFORE THIS YEAR. And that today someone else hopes to be admitted last year?
      Dear author! Please, if you have already undertaken to operate with numbers, then do it more closely. And think about what you write. Respect the readers.
  4. +3
    5 January 2013 10: 16
    Thanks for the summary! From all this we can conclude that there will be rearmament! God forbid!
    1. USA95
      0
      5 January 2013 10: 31
      Why catch it?
  5. boris.radevitch
    -11
    5 January 2013 10: 19
    The best poplars in the world, which someone has not prizashol and will never come! tongue
    1. AK-47
      +1
      5 January 2013 14: 22
      Quote: boris.radevitch
      The world's best "Poplars" that no one has surpassed and will never be surpassed!

      You cannot fight with "Topols" alone, you need other weapons. lol
      [hide] [/ hide]
    2. AK-47
      +1
      5 January 2013 14: 24
      Quote: boris.radevitch
      The world's best "Poplars" that no one has surpassed and will never be surpassed!

      You cannot fight with "Topols" alone, you need other weapons. lol
    3. +10
      5 January 2013 16: 40
      Quote: boris.radevitch

      The best poplars in the world, which someone has not prizashol and will never come!

      R-36M2 “Voevoda” - that’s when no one never passed, and never when passed!

      Oh my god, I had a triple in Russian at school ....
  6. +4
    5 January 2013 10: 33
    Not bad enough for such open spaces of my homeland!
  7. itr
    +11
    5 January 2013 10: 43
    2012 was a time of total rearmament for the Russian army. too early to talk about it
    1. +2
      5 January 2013 10: 57
      Quote: itr
      too early to talk about it

      that's for sure. let's say "gop" when the rest in our direction will not only say judgmental, but look askance
  8. Serg_Y
    +6
    5 January 2013 11: 11
    I hope that all this will not really be needed, but there is a feeling that this is a drop in the ocean.
  9. sad32wqesadf
    0
    5 January 2013 11: 21
    It just can't be !!! The FSB has created this http://zipurl.ws/sngbaza database about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. Really was really scared
    there are a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug up this. In general, there are good sides - this
    Information can be deleted from the site.
    I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...
  10. fenix57
    +4
    5 January 2013 11: 44
    All this pleases, but especially the S-400 regiment in Nakhodka.
  11. +1
    5 January 2013 12: 07
    Down and Out trouble started !
    Is there a positive shift? Yes there is! If you do nothing, then nothing will happen, and today new weapons are coming into the troops.
  12. Dedream
    +5
    5 January 2013 12: 15
    Again, these Russians are rearming ... no democracy ... Putin's bloody XDDD regime

    All evil and the crisis ... Russia is marching forward .. and God forbid, so be it
    1. Serg_Y
      0
      6 January 2013 11: 29
      Think of Democracy, Do the Economy, but Clean the Arms!
      Whoever comes to us with what we spend! (Prince of Novgorod, elected post by the way, type of board of the Vecheva, democratic, Novgorod merchant, oligarch).
  13. boris.radevitch
    +9
    5 January 2013 12: 34
    You will see the sensible General Shoigu will put our army in order and we
    we will be proud of her! good

    We are proud of the president to keep it up! good
    1. Harleone
      +1
      5 January 2013 17: 07
      Who are we"?
      1. webdog
        +6
        6 January 2013 02: 03
        Harleone, for example, I am pleased with my president ...
        1. +5
          6 January 2013 14: 20
          Quote: webdog
          Harleone, for example, I am pleased with my president ...

          I agree. I am sure that most Europeans would like to see such a leader at home. This is truly the most influential person in the world at the moment.
          1. aleksandrik
            0
            6 January 2013 23: 59
            I agree. I am sure that most Europeans would like to see such a leader at home. This is truly the most influential person in the world at the moment.


            In fact, this is very bad if the entire system of government is built only on the fact that while the leader (no matter how good he is), no one kicks and does not itch. And the leader is simply physically unable to keep everything under control in all areas! Look at the USA there that Obama that Clinton that Bush ... no global shocks, the train rushes to the next station))))
            1. 0
              7 January 2013 00: 20
              Look at the USA ......... the train rushes to the next station
              the abyss is soon ... no brakes ... they themselves will collapse and other cars will be dragged away ...
            2. Oleg Rosskiyy
              0
              7 January 2013 00: 32
              Quote: aleksandrik
              Look at the USA there that Obama that Clinton that Bush ... no global shocks, the train rushes to the next station))))

              To his next and last station, called "UTIL".
            3. Serg_Y
              0
              7 January 2013 11: 37
              There is no need to cite the USA as an example, they also have a leader, the ubiquitous dollar managed by a group of families. It is not striking, the financial system is not a person, you have to be very smart to collect an image in your head. But Putin, he is visible to everyone, it is possible to discuss, he must ensure civil liberties and security in the country, the concepts are contradictory, so he does not look unambiguous.
        2. 0
          7 January 2013 00: 23
          Putin is deeply liking to me too. MS in sambo give for hard work.
      2. Oleg Rosskiyy
        +1
        7 January 2013 00: 05
        Harleone,
        Russian people !!!
  14. +8
    5 January 2013 12: 42
    Thanks to the author for collecting most of the press releases in one article.
    Nowadays it is customary to report with or without reason (they put a couple of hundred trucks or 10 "Pantsyrs" and shuffle everywhere !!. It's all a little annoying and blurs the general background.
    Of course, there are some positive changes, and when some of them keep saying that “all polymers have gone somewhere,” they are cunning and very strong. But everywhere there are "buts".
    For the same Strategic Missile Forces. Topol-M and Yarsov (as carriers) are indeed in the third / quarter area. But they carry about 140 warheads (out of more than 1000 warheads of the Strategic Missile Forces). In other words, while maintaining the current rate of delivery of the complexes, they will replace the old Topoli ( about 70-80 more warheads.) There is no heavy carrier to replace the UR-100 and R-36M2 yet, and these are the main carriers of warheads. So the numbers are correct, but you also need to read it correctly ...
    The biggest problems we have, most likely, will arise during the rearmament of the fleet. Once a quarter we are "threatened" to accept the Boreas, but for now ...
    The construction of the corvette lasts 5-6 years (aircraft carriers in the USA are built for 3-4 years). "Ash" first wanted 10 until 2020, then 7 until 2021. But at the current pace, the bookmarks are actually 4-5 by this date.
    It is not clear what will happen to the ground forces, but it is good that the supporters of "Leopards" and "Tsentauro" under Shoigu were squashed ...
    1. djon3volta
      0
      5 January 2013 14: 58
      it’s easier for Americans, they will print trillions of dollars and build them. Russia does not print empty money in billions. This also must not be forgotten. Where do you think they have a national debt of 16.5 trillion?
      1. +4
        5 January 2013 18: 00
        Quote: djon3volta
        it’s easier for Americans, they will print trillions of dollars and build.
        That's exactly what they will build. The main problem of our state arms program is not a lack of funding, but the lack of a clear and transparent system of state defense orders + don’t understand what discipline and responsibility of industrialists. The 6 corvette has been built for years, not because there is no money, but because they physically cannot establish the production cycle.
        On the US national debt. In fact, it is not a consequence of the inclusion of the "printing press". Quite the opposite is true. National debt is the cause, and emission is the effect. The Americans almost always made their budget deficit (except as under Clinton). The deficit was covered by loans. For the time being, the growth of the economy was covered by the national debt. But the rate of its growth, in the end, stopped doing it, because decreased, and the budget swelled for decades. Emission is an attempt to partially close the debt.
  15. +7
    5 January 2013 13: 36
    Diferamba singing is certainly good, but in the article there is more than wishful thinking, which is passed off as real. The "newest" complex "Zoo-1" was adopted in 2007 with great difficulties and the question of changing the base immediately arises, "Chrysanthemum" is a development of the late 80s, early 90s, although it has appeared well now, I wonder who is with it in Ingushetia works and serves ???? And so on along the list ... Unfortunately, such a "closed" industry as the military-industrial complex is trying to cover its multi-percent costs at the expense of allocated funds and to release military products as little as possible. Therefore, we have what we have !!!!! Although there are positive developments.
  16. +3
    5 January 2013 13: 48
    The pack is positive. But on the other hand, you understand how much we need new weapons all the same. And not for what would be more, but to replace the trash that is now listed as combat-ready ... It is interesting, if now to break a couple of high-alert brigades from one end of the country to the other, how much will it be really ready?
  17. boris.radevitch
    +1
    5 January 2013 14: 02
    If we don’t rearm, the Americans will overtake us and fly away like
    birds! am
    1. Cavas
      +2
      5 January 2013 14: 10
      Quote: boris.radevitch
      If we don’t rearm, the Americans will overtake us and fly away like
      birds!

      Of course!!))) wassat



      We threw them !!!))) laughing

  18. +2
    5 January 2013 14: 17
    The land base will be equipped with vehicles of combined arms importance - several modifications of Ural vehicles with 4x4 and 6x6 wheel configurations.

    What is this "beast" land base?
  19. +2
    5 January 2013 14: 40
    I think that even these crumbs are already a huge plus. The nineties are very close behind the stern, and it was then that everything was only withdrawn from the Army and Navy at the expense of the Americans. Remember how many boats were barbarously cut into needles, and after all, half of them, after modernization, could still carry missiles across the ocean. And the handsome takr "Baku" ... he is generally brand new, but written off. And now, the utter absurdity, from a potential enemy to buy Mistrals and other weapons. It is generally necessary to lose all shame and respect for your country.
  20. aleksandrik
    +11
    5 January 2013 14: 52
    Actually, I have a question about the S-400 ...



    Here we see the division on the MAZ, BAZ and Ural chassis ... the question is actually why such a zoo? Why a different chassis? What about unification, common parts, and so on ... what's the point? This is obtained instead of spare parts for one car in the air defense warehouses. Do you need to keep three different specialists for three repair kits ??? request

    Yes, and patency is clearly not the same for cars ... how is it asked how they will move from one location to another? Given the highest or lowest cross, and at what speed?
    1. +4
      5 January 2013 15: 29
      Alexandrik, criticism is banned here, even sensible - minus it am
      1. -2
        6 January 2013 02: 02
        there would be criticism on the merits. and these are all petty nitpicking.
    2. Ingvald_Bueny
      0
      5 January 2013 15: 52
      Quote: aleksandrik
      Here we see the division on the MAZ, BAZ and Ural chassis ... the question is actually why such a zoo? Why a different chassis? What about unification, common parts, and so on ... what's the point? This is obtained instead of spare parts for one car in the air defense warehouses. Do you need to keep three different specialists for three repair kits ???

      Yes, and patency is clearly not the same for cars ... how is it asked how they will move from one location to another? Given the highest or lowest cross, and at what speed?

      This is a presentation photo from the PU, radar, and gearbox on a different chassis. The study of accommodation options. The series most likely includes cars on the MAZ or KZKT chassis. PU on the BAZ chassis is an export version, as well as a control gear on the Ural chassis.
      1. aleksandrik
        +11
        5 January 2013 15: 59
        Well, actually - this is a series and there is wink

        1. 0
          5 January 2013 17: 07
          For Estonians, probably, three specialists, screwing one light bulb, are relevant. Do not equate the rest on their own. As well, judging by the photos on the patency of cars.
          Where these complexes are on duty, roads and directions are prepared and speed is negotiated. The standards are prescribed. Why do you need to know this? Although I’ll hint: the roads for the air defense complex are not prepared as for sports trophy-raids ... Missiles all the same!
          The zoo is the land forces of Estonia. Or Noah’s ark. They took that for free?
          By the way, did you return the tank to the Latvians?
          1. +3
            5 January 2013 17: 27
            A single platform will not be approved soon. Today we can only talk about intentions to bring everything to uniformity. Even with the C500, it’s not all right away. At least by the fact that something has already been adopted, something will be accepted in the next couple of years, the rest will have to spend many kilometers before the resource is developed. In those years when the C500 will become a reality, new cars will appear. In reality, it will be possible to judge the variegation of technology in a year of commercials in 2017, I do not see the point before. And then, given that the 2020 program is about rearmament by 70%, new equipment.
          2. aleksandrik
            +5
            5 January 2013 17: 59
            Excuse me, did you get up on the wrong foot today or have a hangover? )))))

            Where these complexes are on duty, roads and directions are prepared and speed is negotiated


            Well, where have you seen such special prepared roads for air defense systems? ))))) And if there are no roads and you need to keep watch what then to do? belay

            And if I didn’t have an Estonian tricolor and a Russian one, you would also spit saliva good and if the Israeli so probably probably in the agents of the mossad recorded a hundred pounds what

            But essentially you have nothing to answer .... negative
            1. -2
              5 January 2013 18: 18
              holidays. to thread them.
              what is the question is the answer.
              What do you know about "concrete"? (such roads)
              Do you think that the European part of Russia is even fields? There are many things that will hinder the movement of missile systems, if you do not plan ahead.
              Or do you think that the speed of movement of the c400 complex on various types of roads is not stipulated in writing? (There, the turning radius is also mentioned, they do not maneuver between the trees ...)

              Well, did they return the tank?
              When in Russia they will accept Armata for military trials, will you shout about the Zoo of equipment?
              That is the question, that is the answer.
              1. aleksandrik
                +1
                5 January 2013 18: 31
                The question is essentially why the complex is on 3 different chassis and not on one? )))) And you all got attached to the tank)))) I’m already tired of writing that we don’t have tanks feel ))))

                Apparently it is necessary that the user with the Russian tricolor ask the same question)))) can then stop spraying with saliva? )))

                Armata just on one chassis should be wink That's when they accept and show, then there will be something to say winked in the meantime - this is a fortune-telling on coffee grounds))))
                1. +3
                  5 January 2013 19: 38
                  By the time Armata is adopted, Russia will again have several MBTs serving the country. For the new will come to the existing. And this will happen not at the behest of a mouse click, but over many years. Something similar with tractors. Just a brighter, textbook example with a tank. Zoo?
                  Look at how much they are developing http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=11224.0 And all this also costs money. Not even successful programs.
                  At the moment, the S400 entering service is a "past past." The complex itself is unified with the C300, the C500 is on its way. Here's what you need to see! Not wheels. Actually, they do not cost much in relation to the cost of the air defense system.
                  The platforms are different in that they carry different weights. (Radar, launcher, combat control post) There is no single plant (there is money, but there are few factories) capable of satisfying needs in a short time. From Russia - a thread, so to speak.

                  aleksandrik, do not be like a wolf from a cartoon who dreamed of finding a boot about a samovar. Why screw a radar with missiles is not a priority task.
                  1. aleksandrik
                    +1
                    5 January 2013 23: 33
                    dmitreach I’m not surprised that you only know how to spray with saliva))) since your amateurish comments about military equipment besides laughter cannot cause anything else good

                    What do you really think that the S-500 will be on a 16-wheeled platform? )))) Why this link .... fool

                    Speak
                    From Russia - a thread, so to speak.
                    n-yes ... especially against the background of the S-300 and other air defense systems request





                    In order to know the logistics in the army - this is one of the most important tasks ... actually this is exactly what the troops do most of the time! Whether it’s an offensive or defensive operation, patrolling the territory, transporting ammunition for spare parts, and so on! And here such happiness came down in the form of a zoo ... awesome plus defense good
                    1. +4
                      6 January 2013 01: 01
                      I, too, are a pro. And why are you showing me the inheritance from the union? C300 is still relevant today. Throw it no one will.
                      So yes, I'm an amateur and never hid it .. I live in Russia. I'm happy with the country. Unlike you, I do not pretend to be a "keyboard pro". Do you really like this role? Well, "keyboard pro", portray wisdom, be affectionate, issue a plan on how to protect the country. Help Russia save money.
                      Only before you will advise, understand the priorities of prices for air defense systems and vehicles. I do not believe that such a keyboard pro would not understand the difference! Yes, and look for the plant, so that everything is in one place and massively stamped. Then you will be happy and the same wheels.

                      And I gave you the link as an example. An example showing the availability of work, not "keyboard professionalism." Catch another link to that steppe
                      http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php/topic,11225.0.html Эту тему не вчера придумали, хоть и сложно реализовать в жизни.
                      1. +3
                        6 January 2013 01: 39
                        to summarize, but you refute. pros laughing
                        1. The platforms are different in that they carry different weights. (Radar, PU, ​​combat control post, etc.) Even the C 500 will be on a different wheel formula, because there is no need for an easy kung (they knew this in the USSR) screwed onto a powerful tractor. (Of course, cars will be from one manufacturer. in the future)
                        2. There is no single plant, (there is money, but there are few factories or are being built) capable of satisfying needs in a short time. From Russia - on a thread, so to speak. Well, there was no other "UralVagonZavod" in the USSR, riveting like tanks, platforms exclusively for air defense systems. (Concern PVO "Almaz-Antey" has started the construction of two plants http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2012-03-16/8_pvo.html
                        guess what it is connected with?)
                        3. As new types of equipment arrive, the old will exist in the troops. I won’t be surprised if the C300 (in all its forms) is still in service at the time of the military tests of the C500. Zoo? (I could not give an example with Armata and today's MBT, but the situation is the same).
                        Maybe you really general keyboard, but that is the head that is, since you press the buttons. Like simple thoughts voiced.
                        And do not write more such nonsense
                        three different specialists ??? - what is there so highly specialized that already 3 people in the state need to be kept? Three Balts and one light bulb are just associations with a joke.
                        Yes, and patency is clearly not the same for cars ... - rated by photo? PROFI! finally respect! hi
                      2. Serg_Y
                        +2
                        6 January 2013 12: 05
                        It's cool to read such things, people argue about the same thing, but from different points of view, telling Europeans about the vastness of Russia is one and the same thing that telling glade about the delights of the forest. Due to the low population density in Russia (in comparison with Europe), the construction of large enterprises differs from European ones, we have city-forming enterprises producing finished modules, and even products, in Europe these are separate shops producing parts for assembly in another place. But thanks for the info.
                      3. aleksandrik
                        0
                        6 January 2013 15: 08
                        Serg_Y Russia in this regard is not much different from Europe))) Throughout the territory, parts are produced that subsequently participate in the product that is assembled elsewhere feel And this is more than justified wink

                        If part A1 participates in the product AA (Airplane) BB (Ship) CC (Tank) DD (Helicopter) which are produced in 4 different cities ... then this in no way involves the construction of four factories for the production of A1 part in each of these cities!
                      4. Serg_Y
                        0
                        6 January 2013 19: 49
                        I can hardly imagine one detail in such different products, the aircraft industry is lightness, high geometric accuracy to increase functionality and reliability since the aircraft consists of a large number of parts and in case of failure, the aircraft crashes, engineering is only partially needed for lightness, and in shipbuilding with their load characteristics, lightness is likely to be in last place.
                      5. aleksandrik
                        0
                        6 January 2013 21: 11
                        I can hardly imagine one detail in such different products, the aircraft industry is lightness, high geometric accuracy to increase functionality and reliability since the aircraft consists of a large number of parts and in case of failure, the aircraft crashes, engineering is only partially needed for lightness, and in shipbuilding with their load characteristics, lightness is likely to be in last place.


                        Yes corny - ball bearings))))
                      6. Serg_Y
                        +1
                        6 January 2013 21: 21
                        And yes, extremely specific production also requires mass production for profitability. I don’t remember what bearings were in the NK-93, as it didn’t touch them. There are still 1999 parts left.
                      7. aleksandrik
                        0
                        6 January 2013 23: 52
                        And yes, extremely specific production also requires mass production for profitability. I don’t remember what bearings were in the NK-93, as it didn’t touch them. There are still 1999 parts left.


                        Heh well here's another wink

                        Bulbs, buttons, plugs / connectors, processors, microcircuits, bolts, nuts, screws, wiring / cable)))))

                        But more often, of course, still ready tested the module assembly is supplied, for example the same LMS, engine or gun)))

                        Well, rubber products, for example, are poured by one factory, and plastic, after all, has its own specifics, and it’s much cheaper to deliver to the vast expanses of the Russian Federation! feel
                      8. Serg_Y
                        0
                        7 January 2013 11: 42
                        Okay, this is already an unknown sphere for me, I will leave my opinion to myself.
                        I heard about Russian gums, after the installation of which foreign cars start in the cold like ours.
                      9. 0
                        7 January 2013 17: 02
                        Yes ... gum theme deep ... dark ...
                        There was, I had a nozzle for UAZ, antifreeze (I have a Jeep mushroom, but the part fits) somehow in the heat of June, it exploded in a dead traffic jam ... It changed to the British flag ... After pokatushek I changed it, about two weeks passed. .. Consider New. It was. He was well in civilization, it was a kilometer from the store ... He changed again, also from the UAZ ... 9 months passed ... There was an expedition for a month .... It seems that he has not yet asked for bread.
                        Domestic details - lottery.
                      10. 0
                        6 January 2013 20: 03
                        If part A1 participates in the product AA (Airplane) BB (Ship) CC (Tank) DD (Helicopter) which are produced in 4 different cities ... then this in no way involves the construction of four factories for the production of A1 part in each of these cities!

                        I did not mean: "to build a plant for the production of air defense systems, in each settlement." But the same example, with the production of tanks in the USSR, shows a lot. (Leningrad / Kharkov / Tagil)
                        Or not a long-standing example with the transportation of a ship's superstructure for (seem) Corvette 20 380. Which, through the floor of the world, was dragged from St. Petersburg to the Amur Shipbuilding. I had in mind the localization of production.
                        It’s hard to argue with the economy. For MASS production, localized (without the cost of transporting units) affects the cost of production. Simply put: C400 would be baked if there was a debugged conveyor.
                      11. aleksandrik
                        0
                        6 January 2013 21: 24
                        Leningrad / Kharkov / Tagil - this is the final "assembler"))) and parts from all over the "union" were and are being brought there :)
                      12. 0
                        6 January 2013 21: 37
                        Well, yes ... and ore for steelmakers is not under Peter and not in the Kharkov region hiding. And do not mind! (empty comment)
                      13. 0
                        6 January 2013 17: 11
                        Here politics also rules. We buy BAZ not because it is better than MAN or Scania (if they have something similar), but because it is from brothers in the Union State. Although there have been rumors for a long time that "tobacco is still apart". (would not like)
                      14. aleksandrik
                        0
                        6 January 2013 15: 00
                        Yes, and patency is clearly not the same for cars ... - rated by photo? PROFI! finally respect!


                        Well, yes, of course 3 "absolutely identical cars" but for some reason with different ground clearance and overall characteristics will have the same cross-country ability good









                        The S-400 could be shoved either at MAZ or at the BAZ, it might be enough to rub already about the fact that not one of these platforms would satisfy the needs of the S-400 more than completely! fool Moreover, Almaz-Antey does not build factories for chassis production feel

                        About the Baltic states you can continue to amuse yourself)))) even more, a novel at home telling you about your dictum about three bulbs fool let your "patriotism" raise good

                        And so seriously, I’m already thinking about entering only through a Russian proxy server)))) otherwise the Estonian tricolor is painful for many feel
                      15. 0
                        6 January 2013 16: 45
                        My grandfather crushed the "forest brothers" in the forests of the Baltic states, whose grandchildren are now worshiping the SS.
                        My father spent his entire youth in Jurmala.
                        I lived and studied in Riga.
                        We are called invaders. I have my own accounts for sprats.
                        So you make your mark, it’s not the flag.

                        I have cut off part of your text. I can’t read everything.

                        The difference in dimensions is related with tasks on transported weight. Didn't think about it?
                        In this class of machines, the ground pressure is more important. For in the "soil you can sink." Thrust-to-weight ratio and wheel formula. The overhang angle, for cars of such power, is not particularly relevant - it will erase with a bumper, perhaps even stones and not large trees. (well, maybe with consequences) Exactly like the ground clearance - Not fundamental. These are not Suvorov's soldiers, they will not climb through the Alps. (40 cm clearance from 50 - the difference is not fundamental when the wheel formula is different. The Ural bridge leaves a flat area, like a greydor, because it has enough foolishness. If not in a swamp, then you can not just walk on it, but drive a wheel. (SUVs narrower, do not fit into the track of the Urals, although they weigh 2 tons.)
                        How could I explain this to you ...
                        You see, these machines were not prepared for trophy raid competitions. Drown. For a wheeled swamp, it is important that, in addition to its own weight, the weight of the crew and fuel, it would not carry anything else. Was Easy. for in the swamp it’ll drown anyway. (if the volume of the wheels does not allow swimming) And these monsters were designed on the basis of the need not to get stuck on a (relatively) flat place, along the route of the air defense convoy column (other military equipment) over the crushed terrain. Carrying a military man Heavy load. In the swamps they need to patrol, on a combat route no. and not when such a combat mission was not set. They do not attack the Belarusian forests, like the T34 in Operation Bagration.
                        They may have a problem, in the mud, on the Combat Patrol Routes. You will be surprised, but these places have been explored by rockets for decades, to the last comma. When the earth turns into clay. And we have such a time - most of the year. That's what they were created for. (And there, almost every bump is familiar and the routes are prepared, taking into account not only the BAZ turning radius, but also the terrain capabilities) They are not set a checkmark in Carnet for a check (Competition control card). Not in order to flip around with a birch on the camera and to present the conquered point to the judges in the swamps.
                        I exaggerate: so that the one who rides last in the convoy doesn’t drown in a roadway broken in front of the going ahead. In this case, the Urals, in soft ground, can knead dirt at the driver's side, but will drive, pushing the dirt. And this is despite the fact that its ground clearance is less than that of the BAZ.
                        For the categorical absence of roads and directions in the USSR / Russia, tractors were invented on a CRAWLER.
                      16. aleksandrik
                        -1
                        6 January 2013 17: 01
                        dmitreach Don't you think that alluding to the fact that I, supposedly also the grandson of those forest brothers who worship the SS, are you no better than those who call you invaders? request

                        It’s very good that you touched the track in the mud, and I’m still sitting, I think what other example can you give me why this zoo is bad ... but you yourself wrote wink
                      17. 0
                        6 January 2013 17: 04
                        Well, say that you are not one of them. What problems?
                        Read carefully.
                      18. aleksandrik
                        0
                        6 January 2013 17: 22
                        Well, say that you are not one of them. What problems?
                        Read carefully.


                        And what was so noticeable that I am among them? Apparently I called all the invaders right and left, or something else? request ))))
                      19. 0
                        6 January 2013 17: 59
                        Yes ktozh knows you. That's why I asked. I want to know who I’m talking to. The style of your comments will tell you about your views, but over time. Why waste time?
                      20. aleksandrik
                        0
                        6 January 2013 19: 00
                        Yes ktozh knows you. That's why I asked. I want to know who I’m talking to. The style of your comments will tell you about your views, but over time. Why waste time?


                        Go far good

                        I would like to process the hard, http://hardingush.livejournal.com/40676.html is just about you dmitreach!

                        Whatever the object of their hatred does, it is always judged poorly. If this is so definitely good that it cannot be said that it is bad - old insults are recalled. People live a strange life, devoting it to themselves all without a trace. These are fanatics, deprived of lateral vision, the ability to distinguish colors and shades. Only white or black. The slogan "Orthodoxy or Death" is a vivid example of obstinacy. "Russia for Russians" is no less striking. If you look closely at the slogans, then there are a lot of questions at once - and what, the only choice is this - either death or Orthodoxy? And whose death, excuse me? Russia for Russians - how do we define Russians? Blood test? And what kind of Russia do you mean? Tatarstan? Ingushetia?
                      21. 0
                        6 January 2013 19: 36
                        By. Off-topic. At least by the fact that with hard (ohm) I share a view of religion and cheers.
                        But to some Baltic states, yes, there are complaints. Someone cannot be reconciled with the Chechens, I am with the grandchildren of the SSvtsev ... What's so fanatical?
                        True, I did not understand who I was talking with. With a person living in the Baltic states, or with a grandson of the SSs? Though your answer already loses its meaning.
                      22. aleksandrik
                        -2
                        6 January 2013 20: 24
                        Well, how can you and Hard be on the same wavelength if you write this?

                        But to some Baltic states, yes, there are complaints. Someone cannot be reconciled with the Chechens, I am with the grandchildren of the SSvtsev ... What's so fanatical?
                        True, I did not understand who I was talking with. With a person living in the Baltic states, or with a grandson of the SSs? Though your answer already loses its meaning.


                        This is just what
                        If this is so definitely good that it cannot be said that it is bad - old insults are recalled.
                        feel
                      23. 0
                        6 January 2013 20: 38
                        Very simple. The Germans and I recall the old insults in a civilized manner. For they do not throw kakashki at us and do not become monkey-like, unlike the Baltic states. The Germans are a nation of engineers. We trade with them, we do not build the past to extremes. We all know about each other.
                        So when the Balts have a sense of self-esteem in principle, then, perhaps, it will be seen whether it is worth dealing with them. In the meantime, the whole Baltic states comes down to this: http://www.mildaslaiks.lv/britu-pedeja-sezona
                        The attitude of British drunks is symbolic.
                        If problems with Latvian, then I will explain. Milda - Freedom Monument in Riga, which British beer lovers love to pee on. The link is a flash game, the purpose of which is to protect the Monument of Freedom from Her Majesty’s lousy subjects. A game that made a lot of noise in Riga!
                      24. aleksandrik
                        -2
                        6 January 2013 21: 04
                        dmitreach, you are a short-sighted person, if you ascribe the statements and actions of the same short-sighted people without exception to the entire population negative
                      25. 0
                        6 January 2013 21: 05
                        Well, in my opinion, I wrote in Russian: But to to some to the Baltic states and further: with the grandchildren of SSvtsev ... (meant: I can not try on, with those who now glorifies the Nazis)
                        read carefully.
                        True, I did not understand who I was talking with. WITH By manliving in the Baltic states or with the grandson of the SS?
                      26. 0
                        6 January 2013 17: 23
                        Almaz Antey is building factories because it cannot satisfy domestic demand for C400. It can’t cope with the volume. Do not you understand? It is more difficult to build radars, launchers and control stations than a chassis on a conveyor belt. There is a lot of manual labor. If you also put the platform on them, then you need to do not 2 but 10 plants. I already wrote why screw a radar with missiles is not a paramount task. The country has a choice.
                        And he also mentioned that the cost of the "wheels" is not fundamental, relative to the cost of the air defense system itself. There will be a desire to mount on the basis of MAN, for some Emirates. And in your own country, in the union state, there is more benefit from loading different enterprises than costs. At this period of development of the country.
                      27. Serg_Y
                        +1
                        6 January 2013 20: 22
                        Hmm, if people did not kill each other because of such disputes, one would laugh. Hatred blinds, there is no common goal, there is no result in the conversation, "what are you? And what are you?" "Divide and conquer" is generally considered a maxim of the Roman Senate. Swear on, New Rome will stand stronger.
                      28. 0
                        6 January 2013 20: 53
                        Without ideology, not only friendship does not work for childbirth, you cannot go to a neighboring district ... they may ask: "What are you doing? What are you doing?" well and further in the text))))
                      29. Serg_Y
                        +2
                        6 January 2013 21: 05
                        And so, for the sake of beautiful girls you can and fight soldier they don’t have a nationality. My grandfather’s brother took his wife so-so, he is a Mordvin, she’s a dude, Russian children, just like Gumilyov’s.
                      30. 0
                        6 January 2013 21: 10
                        Well, if for the sake of girls ... soldier tady i'm for
                      31. aleksandrik
                        0
                        6 January 2013 21: 07
                        Hmm, if people did not kill each other because of such disputes, one would laugh. Hatred blinds, there is no common goal, there is no result in the conversation, "what are you? And what are you?" "Divide and conquer" is generally considered a maxim of the Roman Senate. Swear on, New Rome will stand stronger.


                        If there is such an occasion to kill each other like Cherchez la femme wink ))) which has no relation to the friendship of peoples)))
                      32. Serg_Y
                        0
                        6 January 2013 21: 28
                        Why is it immediately illegal to snitch, it is not customary for the Mordovians, matchmakers and all that, but they gave it away with difficulty, I must say five brothers is an argument.
                2. +1
                  6 January 2013 20: 42
                  The "Armata" has three types of chassis for different vehicles. Just unified as much as possible. I've heard that hi
                  Moreover, one of them is wheeled.
                  1. 0
                    6 January 2013 20: 51
                    Maybe. But we will definitely know when they will present it to the public.
            2. Cavas
              0
              5 January 2013 18: 25
              That's just you have not been seen here!
            3. M. Peter
              0
              8 January 2013 16: 02
              Quote: aleksandrik
              Well, where have you seen such special prepared roads for air defense systems? ))))) And if there are no roads and you need to keep watch what then to do?

              You smash the bullshit ...
              These are air defense troops, not military air defense. There is a difference, some go with the army, guard it from the air adversary, ready at any moment to turn around and shoot. And you look at the vehicles of the air defense forces, in which the route is pre-registered and verified and no trophy trophies are foreseen, they guard a certain part of the sky of the Motherland, and do not slander behind the tanks through various bumps and muds.
          3. Oleg Rosskiyy
            +1
            7 January 2013 00: 12
            Quote: dmitreach
            By the way, did you return the tank to the Latvians?

            They themselves need metal.
      2. 0
        6 January 2013 02: 08
        This is a presentation photo. You can read more, somewhere to read.
    3. spok
      -3
      5 January 2013 17: 16
      this is done in order to destroy that little that remains of the army
    4. 0
      6 January 2013 15: 32
      Apparently this is an exhibit, demonstrate all types of chassis.
      1. aleksandrik
        0
        6 January 2013 16: 02
        Apparently this is an exhibit, demonstrate all types of chassis.
        Watch my video above, this is the series!
    5. 0
      6 January 2013 18: 21
      aleksandrik - the pulling force of the cars is different and applicable to the weight dragged on the chassis ... although the three right-wingers could certainly unify the chassis - there is a rational grain in your request winked
    6. Oleg Rosskiyy
      0
      7 January 2013 00: 10
      What difference does it make to you from which chassis you and your NATO allies will be covered? Better worry about the "patriots", they will definitely not have time to bring the components to them.
  21. +2
    5 January 2013 15: 15
    The real outcome of 2012 is that even more money was stolen due to an increase in the military budget.
    The state of the army (extremely deplorable) has not changed.
    1. spok
      0
      5 January 2013 17: 19
      Yes, not the right word. The deplorable army in the anus.
  22. +5
    5 January 2013 15: 38
    Quote: ochakow703
    I think that even these crumbs are already a huge plus. The nineties are very close behind the stern, and it was then that everyone was just withdrawing from the Army and Navy with the money of the Americans. Recall how many boats were barbarously chopped into needles, and yet half of them, after modernization, could now carry rockets across the ocean.

    I agree! but the main thing now is to increase the pace of rearmament. and personally, I am glad that GDP is again at the head of the country, otherwise everything could end like this:
    1. spok
      -3
      5 January 2013 17: 22
      you my friend forever then raise yes and what can you see rearmament is a myth or nonsense to anyone
      1. +2
        5 January 2013 19: 57
        Quote from spok
        you my friend forever then raise yes and what can you see rearmament is a myth or nonsense to anyone

        I sympathize with you, but the revival of the army is a reality!
        by the way, no offense will be said to you, but this applies to all those who like to shout "everything is lost":
        1. +1
          5 January 2013 20: 03
          console yourself that rearmament is a myth. however, one must live in reality, not in dreams.
      2. Oleg Rosskiyy
        0
        7 January 2013 00: 26
        spok,
        Quote from spok
        you my friend forever then raise yes and what can you see rearmament is a myth or nonsense to anyone

        To each his own, who wants to see the good, let him see, but to someone who lives only in negative, it may be worthwhile to start changing his lifestyle?
    2. +3
      5 January 2013 21: 54
      I agree, but the picture as an example is not very successful - one manul will break a dozen dogs
  23. nickname 1 and 2
    +1
    5 January 2013 16: 03
    YOU, dear, tell yourself and me why you need to know about the state of affairs and armaments and rearmament in your country? What military secret is a relic? hi
  24. dimjet
    +2
    5 January 2013 18: 30
    An article from the category "In general and without much specificity" with incomplete data coverage.
    1. aleksandrik
      +2
      6 January 2013 19: 28
      Well, I have more of a claim to the fact that since the author writes about the arrival of new weapons, then the pictures must be inserted accordingly ... and not the prototype ka-52!

      The new helicopters not only have a new gray color, but all the radiation sensors are available, and the Ka-52 also has so-called "eggs"




  25. Krasnoyarsk
    +2
    5 January 2013 19: 38
    Very little!
  26. kPoJluK2008
    +3
    5 January 2013 21: 26
    The article, of course, is nothing ... Thanks to the author for collecting all the press reports .. Of course, little is said about the modernization of technology.
    I finally finally have no doubt the rearmament on the Su-34. The Novosibirsk defense plan will fulfill the order by 2020 for sure.
  27. 0
    5 January 2013 22: 00
    Down and Out trouble started. The next few years will show everything.
  28. tommy1984
    +2
    5 January 2013 22: 51
    after reading this article, some of the "friends of russia" will eat another tie .... wassat
  29. 0
    5 January 2013 23: 28
    The Ministry of Defense bears not only criminal liability for theft, but also criminal responsibility for sabotage of the rearmament and modernization of the Army. Will have to work harder, the enemy does not sleep.
  30. +2
    6 January 2013 00: 56
    Quote: ioann1
    The Ministry of Defense bears not only criminal liability for theft, but also criminal responsibility for sabotage of the rearmament and modernization of the Army

    Yes, here everyone is responsible, starting with the president, Moscow region, defense industry enterprises and design bureaus.
  31. Nikopol
    +1
    6 January 2013 01: 54
    Was it worth writing about rearmament when new technology can be counted on the fingers, and old technology above the roof. Good PR and no more. At such a pace, the entire army will be re-equipped for 50 years. The extremely deplorable pace ... I hoped for more.
    1. +1
      6 January 2013 02: 12
      it is planned by 2020 to provide 70% new. sort of in time.
  32. Beltar
    +2
    6 January 2013 02: 19
    The main thing is that the plan is being implemented, which means that the production chains are restored, and production will only grow.
  33. Sergei1984
    +3
    6 January 2013 03: 35
    This is a drop in the ocean, not a "total rearmament". Reading is funny and at the same time sad ... Any, even the most urgent, reform in our country inevitably comes up against corruption on an inhuman scale, so we will rearm (at such a pace) for another 100 years, at best.
  34. CCA
    CCA
    +2
    6 January 2013 11: 43
    The value of this article is not in the exact dates and quantity of the delivered weapons, but in the fact that many of the new weapons are presented and that through the whole article it sounds that these types of weapons have already been put on combat duty in parts good , and not as it was before, that something is planned, maybe then it is not known how much ...
  35. 0
    6 January 2013 16: 21
    Daito God shtob it was true !!!

    More than Iskanders, but dryers, calmer awakening.
  36. +1
    6 January 2013 16: 29
    Yes, "totally" rearmed. This is still the work of Serdyukov. Let's see what will happen next year, or rather this year, under the leadership of Shoigu.
  37. 0
    6 January 2013 16: 30
    soldier Not bad, less stolen, so it was better to feel yourself!
  38. 0
    7 January 2013 02: 21
    Guys, do you really don’t understand that you won’t be presented with military secrets when and how much is produced, where it is directed and where it is deployed! Some information was given and enough. I am almost sure that they produce a lot of things without reporting!

    So here is a little positive. smile
  39. Alikovo
    0
    11 February 2013 12: 57
    it is necessary to purchase air defense systems about, more submarine tanks