Russian DJI dependence and Chinese restrictions on drone exports

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Russian DJI dependence and Chinese restrictions on drone exports


The wood is cut, the chips fly


China and the United States are trading barbs. First, Joe Biden approved the ominous “chip law”, prohibiting investment in the Chinese microelectronics industry and the supply of certain high-tech products. This is served under the sauce of concern for sovereign microelectronics.



But Russians and Chinese have long been second-class citizens in the United States. For example, Washington, under pain of criminal prosecution, prohibits the sale of the most modern photolithographs to Moscow and Beijing, without which you cannot make your own chips. And it’s not a matter of restrictions related to the special operation - the block for hi-end lithographs was delivered long before February 2022.

China potentially has something to respond to American attacks. In the summer, the administration of the Secretary General of the Communist Party announced export controls on rare earth metals - primarily gallium and germanium. The lion's share of these elements is mined and processed in China, which is why the rest of the world is now not doing very well. Metals are critical to the production of chips and other high-tech products. For example, without germanium there will be no thermal imagers. The situation with export controls is multifaceted.

On the one hand, all sorts of Europeans and Americans will look at China, and they themselves will begin to mine rare earth metals. It will be slow and expensive, but quite doable in the medium term. Yes, equipment dependent on gallium and germanium will have to wait on the shelves, but the Chinese exclusive will sooner or later compensate for the West.

On the other hand, Beijing may open the market at the most unexpected moment, and then billions of dollars in investments in the mining and processing of rare earth metals will go to waste. History will clearly have its own interesting development.

The second step in the trade war with the United States was Chinese restrictions on the export of parts drones and accessories for them. Electric motors, laser rangefinders and target designators, jammers drones and several items of communications equipment are now under close scrutiny. The official position of the regulator is that China wants to “protect national security and interests.”

Special permits are required for drones weighing more than 0,25 kg and a maximum take-off weight of 7 kg. These are almost all products capable of carrying a payload. When applied to a special operation, these are almost all UAVs capable of carrying a payload.

Moreover, China has separately limited the export of equipment capable of either dropping cargo or installing fasteners. But there is one “but” - drones in this category are subject to control only with integrated cameras. Nobody forbids you to buy a regular quadcopter and install the missing unit on it.


China seems to be seriously concerned about the use of civilian drones in military affairs. Hence the strict restrictions on the export of relevant products. DJI has already taken notice:

“We have never developed or manufactured military-grade products or equipment, nor have we ever promoted or sold our products for use in military conflicts or wars in any country.”

At the same time, it is difficult to even imagine how many billions the leading UAV manufacturer earned from the conflict in Ukraine.

Declaring a peace mission is always good. The only question is: which UAVs are not currently used on the battlefield? Perhaps, they are completely pocket-sized products with a flight duration of 10–15 minutes. But even such kids find their niche. In particular, in urban battles, when range and altitude are not as critical as in open areas.

DJI-dependency


There is a ghostly hope that China is not serious. First of all, due to the total dependence of the United States on DJI products. This is despite the declared war of the American government against the drones of this particular company. Since 2017, Washington has banned the purchase of DJI machines for the army; since 2020, the ban also applies to other security forces.

Later they even banned investing in DJI. Americans were frightened by the explosive growth of capitalization of the manufacturer of the world's best drones. The office is clearly a high-tech one, which means, according to the White House, it should be controlled by the United States. But China is not Taiwan and DJI remained under the wing of Beijing. This does not at all prevent Americans from still using the company’s products in almost all areas - up to 90 percent of the drones used by police, firefighters and rescue workers come from DJI. China cannot say directly:

"I will cripple your infrastructure and ground your observers."

Therefore, restrictions are introduced on dual-use devices. On paper - a ban on drones for war, in reality - for American users. Unfortunately, Russian interests here, at first glance, cannot be a priority.


From an economic point of view, we do not buy enough drones to take into account the Kremlin's opinion. The forest is being cut down - the chips are flying, and domestic DJI addiction may become the first victim. Another question is the political expediency of China's moves. And here everything is not so clear.

Support from Beijing is urgently needed not only in the direct supply of drones, but also in components. China is definitely in favor of a peaceful solution to the conflict, but on Russia’s terms. This requires drones, and lots of them.

It’s no secret that manufacturers receive a considerable part of the components of even “originally Russian” UAVs from China. These are control equipment, controllers, optics and electric motors. The rest, to one degree or another, have learned to build houses, but not on a large scale and at a completely different price.

Good news There seems to be an absence of electric motors with a power of up to 750 W in the Chinese stop list. Most of the motors for UAVs made in Russia have lower power – 300–500 W. All homemade reconnaissance and FPV machines are built on exactly these motors. There is a possibility that such a “window” was allocated specifically for Russia.

Like a ban on the export of heavy engines (gasoline and electric), which in our country are practically not used on cars of our own production. But Ukrainians love such drones, primarily for long-distance flights to Russian territory. Whether this is a coincidence or not is a big question.

There are also nuances in the ban on the sale of attachments abroad. We are talking about laser systems and thermal imagers. China banned purely military equipment, leaving civilian and hunting products alone. At the front, both Russians and Ukrainians use almost exclusively civilian equipment. Neither volunteers nor government buyers simply have enough money for military developments.

If Russia's notorious DJI dependence came under attack, it was only very conditionally. Agricultural and industrial drones were the first to be affected. But under current conditions this is not the biggest problem. Much more difficulties are caused to Russian volunteers by our own customs, about which any manufacturer of drones for the front can tell a lot and in vivid detail. And China is still on our side.
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  1. +9
    30 September 2023 03: 28
    It’s a good incentive for us to develop our own, it seems like we’ve taken up this business. Electronics are made on a small scale, but for now everything is made in China. I hope we will still get away from imports.
    1. +7
      30 September 2023 05: 30
      Quote: Vadim S
      I hope we will still get away from imports.

      Don’t be shy for your dear fatherland ...
      I brought enough Russian people,
      .............................................................
      He will bear everything that the Lord sends!
      It will endure everything - and broad, clear
      Breast pave the way for himself.
      The only pity is to live in this beautiful time
      I do not have to - neither me nor you.
    2. +3
      30 September 2023 12: 46
      I’ve said a million times that we need to have our own industry and not give our foreign currency earnings to the Chinese! When will the Kremlin finally understand this?
      1. Alf
        +8
        30 September 2023 16: 54
        Quote: Thrifty
        !When will the Kremlin finally understand this?

        What for ? It's good for them anyway.
      2. +1
        1 October 2023 00: 01
        The fact that being rich and healthy is much better than being poor and sick is not news at all. All that remains is to achieve it.
      3. 0
        2 October 2023 12: 36
        "revolution" is coming in the development of FPV drones (first person)
        in short:
        guided FPV projectile
        the central container for a 120-mm projectile (5 kgVV) has 4 folding small-area wings with deflectable surfaces
        in the rear there is a battery and a coaxial impeller
        in front of the camera, control unit (AI), gyroscope
        principle of operation:
        take-off from a catapult or from a TPK, speed up to 150 meters per second, flight range up to 100 km. the flight is stabilized by a gyroscope, control is carried out by both the operator and the AI ​​only by the deflectable surfaces of the wing parts, which in turn provide lift and high speed
        the projectile can be used for both reconnaissance and strikes, there is a target standby mode, and a return mode using landing nets
        1 operator can simultaneously fire up to 10 FVP projectiles and direct them at targets either independently or from third-party UAVs using coordinates or target illumination by GOES stations
        * looks very much like the development of the theme of the 120th KM-8 Gran guided mine
        1. -1
          9 October 2023 13: 32
          Such a UAV has a minimum speed below which it will go into a tailspin, that is, it is not very effective for reconnaissance and adjustment. You need a Mavik type quadcopter.
  2. +10
    30 September 2023 04: 38
    Much more difficulties are caused to Russian volunteers by our own customs, about which any manufacturer of drones for the front can tell a lot and in vivid detail.

    Does Russian customs operate on its own? Can’t it be reined in in the interests of the state?
    1. +17
      30 September 2023 05: 27
      Quote: smart fellow
      Does Russian customs operate on its own? Can’t it be reined in in the interests of the state?

      Where can we get so many Vereshchagins, when all around us there are Surkovs, Manturovs, Rotenbergs, Shokhins, Silanovs, Kirienkas, Millers, Sechins, Grefs, Kostins and other heroes of capitalist labor.
    2. -5
      30 September 2023 06: 30
      Quote: smart fellow
      does customs work on its own? Can't it be reined in in the interests of the state?

      Are you so sure that volunteers or those who purchase drones in Russia act in the interests of our state? Then you might think about where the drones that attack Russian cities, airfields, and oil depots every day come from.
      If such drones are needed, then their supply must be centralized. And if it is not possible to purchase directly from the Russian Defense Ministry, then there are hundreds of defense companies and commercial organizations servicing them. The main thing is that they are all under the control of the FSB or structures close to them.
    3. man
      +4
      30 September 2023 08: 47
      Quote: smart fellow
      Much more difficulties are caused to Russian volunteers by our own customs, about which any manufacturer of drones for the front can tell a lot and in vivid detail.

      Does Russian customs operate on its own? Can’t it be reined in in the interests of the state?

      Judging by the fact that a year ago in Solovyov’s program, general and deputy Gurulev almost cursed at customs, no request
      It looks like customs lives its own life and interests, different from the interests of the state, no matter how crazy it sounds... sad
      1. +5
        30 September 2023 16: 17
        Quote: mann
        It looks like customs lives its own life and interests, different from the interests of the state, no matter how crazy it sounds...

        Nonsense! Of course, I do not exclude all sorts of excesses with bribes and other nonsense, but the overwhelming majority of customs officers are honest and law-abiding civil servants... they strictly comply with the LAWS and REGULATIONS of the state authorities. But the fact that these LAWS and regulations do not keep up with the development of events and the LEGISLATOR (the State Duma and the Federation Council) do not itch is the absolute truth! They even come up with legislative initiatives only after a kick from the president or the chairman of the government. What do they need - a salary of 450 Kilo-Rubles + all sorts of different tasty goodies in the form of benefits and special prices - this is not for you to wave around from morning to night! And there is no force that would recall Narusova from Spain, or force the “people’s deputies” to lobby the interests of their voters, and not “parties and associations” (as they say).
        So, change the LAWS and everything will be “abgemakht”... It’s impossible otherwise. Customs is not a private shop, but a serious institution of the state and it cannot act otherwise than in accordance with the law.
        IMHO.
        1. -1
          9 October 2023 13: 54
          Already after the Khmeimim attacks in Syria in 2018, it became obvious that the Russian Defense Ministry does not have the entire line of UAVs and an effective system for combating enemy UAVs. Five years have passed... and
    4. +6
      30 September 2023 10: 18
      Our entire country has been under occupation since 1991, when US advisers were brought in to rule over us - hence so much idiocy and sabotage. Including not only at customs, but also in the Strategic Missile Forces, where career CIA officers went to work. And these are not my fantasies - Putin spoke openly about this.
      1. +3
        30 September 2023 16: 24
        Quote: Alexey Tlt
        Our entire country has been under occupation since 1991, when US advisers were brought in to rule over us...
        So, nothing has changed since then? Then why are you looking back? Or do you really like that time? Maybe it’s better to look forward and notice fundamental changes in the position of the country’s leadership and its population?
        Therefore - not ICE! This is not possible: we should talk about modern trends and the vector of development. Otherwise you will start remembering serfdom! laughing
    5. +2
      30 September 2023 12: 17
      Quote: smart fellow
      Does Russian customs operate on its own?
      On itself, as I was told. But it is also shared with the state; this cannot be taken away.
      Quote: smart fellow
      Can't it be reined in in the interests of the state?
      So far we haven't been able to. They can justify everything with papers. Actually everything. This is how the documents are drawn up.
    6. +1
      30 September 2023 12: 49
      rather in the interests of the country and people. Over the last 30 years, the state has been less and less interested in the life of the country and the people; it works for the sake of the former representatives of the people who comprise it. Why be surprised - people have new oil, but it’s possible to replace it if anything, there’s so much of it in Central Asia. But can bankers and oligarchs be replaced...
    7. -2
      9 October 2023 15: 58
      Quote: smart fellow
      Does Russian customs operate on its own? Can’t it be reined in in the interests of the state?

      The company purchased a drone with the money raised.
      price 110 thousand. 10 thousand went to customs
  3. +1
    30 September 2023 05: 16
    If I were China, I would be careful about supplying drones to the Russian Federation, because it seems like they are at war with Ukraine. But at the same time, he actively sells air defense systems to NATO members, builds nuclear power plants at his own expense... And in the Northern Military District itself, they do not strive to destroy Western supplies; with a very large advance, they hand over territories back to Ukraine under the slogans “we were deceived.” I’m already silent about the supply of fuel to Ukraine...
    And here a reasonable question arises: now China will begin supplying drones to the Russian Federation, and tomorrow they will go through it to Turkey and further to the USA
    1. +6
      30 September 2023 05: 26
      Quote: spektr9
      Now China will start supplying drones to the Russian Federation, and tomorrow they will go through it to Turkey and further to the USA

      In my opinion, we ourselves lack drones.
      What else is Türkiye or the USA? wink
      1. -2
        30 September 2023 05: 30
        In my opinion, we ourselves lack drones.
        What else is Türkiye or the USA?

        And for us this is an army or a carrier of water. will? I wouldn’t even be surprised if drones go to Turkey first, and then, on a residual basis, to the army
      2. +10
        30 September 2023 06: 50
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote: spektr9
        Now China will start supplying drones to the Russian Federation, and tomorrow they will go through it to Turkey and further to the USA

        In my opinion, we ourselves lack drones.
        What else is Türkiye or the USA? wink

        There has been a terrible fuel shortage in the country for 2 months now, but they were exporting it “like the last time.”...
        Until a week ago when exports had to be stopped forcibly...
        They will take out everything that will give at least a few dollars, and they don’t care that trucking companies within the country are going bankrupt...
        1. +8
          30 September 2023 07: 31
          There was a shortage of fuel, but they were exporting like the last time....

          Fuel does not flow abroad on its own, creating a shortage; it is taken out by certain individuals
          We have a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, who, for the sake of profit, create inflation and lower the standard of living of the population of the Russian Federation. Transportation and gasoline, especially in conditions of long distances, are included in the cost of all services and goods, the bourgeoisie raising prices so as not to allegedly lose profits in accordance with prices on world markets, creating inflation.
          1. +1
            30 September 2023 16: 59
            Quote: nickname7
            There was a shortage of fuel, but they were exporting like the last time....

            The bourgeoisie, raising prices so as not to allegedly lose profits in accordance with prices on world markets, creates inflation.

            “What an oak you are, Vasily Ivanovich... - Yes, Petka, I am of strong breed!” (With)
            I have the impression that you do not understand the nature of inflation at all and confuse the deficit with the growth of the money supply not backed by goods...
            What is inflation? Translated from Latin, inflatio means bloating, a sharp increase. Inflation - this is an increase in the money supply, accompanied by a depreciation of the money itself and a decrease in the purchasing power of the population. It occurs when the amount of money in circulation begins to exceed the real need for it.

            You apparently have “a lot of free banknotes,” as the great schemer said! laughing
            1. -2
              9 October 2023 20: 45
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              You apparently have “a lot of free banknotes,” as the great schemer said!

              Somehow the United States does not suffer from a lot of banknotes. In fact, there is another theory. If you increase a worker’s salary, he will go and buy himself a TV or a washing machine. The store will buy more equipment with this money. Factories will receive orders and the opportunity to increase the salaries of their workers .Workers will go to catering and shops.
    2. +4
      30 September 2023 08: 19
      Quote: spektr9
      If I were China, I would be careful about supplying drones to the Russian Federation

      This is true. DJI has stopped supplies and sales of Drones in Russia and Ukraine, everything that comes through 3 countries
      Quote: spektr9
      China will begin supplying drones to the Russian Federation, and tomorrow they will go through it to Turkey and further to the USA

      Stupidity, now it’s exactly the opposite. The United States is a key trading partner; drone sales are in full swing. We are now buying drones through Turkey.
    3. man
      0
      30 September 2023 08: 40
      And here a reasonable question arises: now China will begin supplying drones to the Russian Federation, and tomorrow they will go through it to Turkey and further to the USA
      In my opinion, this is treason
    4. -2
      9 October 2023 16: 04
      Quote: spektr9
      with a very large advance, he surrenders territories back to Ukraine under the slogans - “we were deceived”

      Are you aware that there simply weren’t enough troops to hold it?
      Quote: spektr9
      But at the same time, it actively sells air defense systems to NATO members

      Sold to Turkey once. Before SVO. For this, she did not join the sanctions
      1. 0
        11 October 2023 21: 53
        They also sold air defense to Greece.
  4. +2
    30 September 2023 05: 17
    If Russia's notorious DJI dependence came under attack, it was only very conditionally.
    Well, that’s good, although it’s not a reason to cross your arms over your stomach.
  5. +4
    30 September 2023 05: 23
    The good news is that there are no electric motors with a power of up to 750 W in the Chinese stop list. Most of the motors for UAVs made in Russia have lower power – 300–500 W.

    The bad news is that in Russia neodymium magnets are widely used to stop water meters...
    Over the course of 30 years, we have “successfully” slipped from the image of a creator to the image of a consumer... That is why for many, wealth and security are expressed in the presence of a position in which creative work, in comparison with the official salary (income), plays a secondary role, with the obligatory attachment at home, cars and cottages...
    1. KCA
      +2
      30 September 2023 06: 30
      Forget about neodymium magnets on the meters, electricity meters have been installed electronically for 15 years now, water meters are made from plastic parts, plastic is not a magnetic material at all
      1. +3
        30 September 2023 08: 24
        Take a look at the water meter for fun. A lot of new things awaits you)))
        1. KCA
          0
          30 September 2023 09: 18
          I didn’t have to disassemble it, but I saw a cross-section of the structure, copper and plastic, pipes and gear axles made of copper, the gears themselves made of plastic, do you think that the housing and communal services industry is full of suckers? You are mistaken, this is their money and they do everything so that they don’t mean it, they check electricity readings twice a year, and they haven’t been going home for a long time, they receive information via GSM
          1. 0
            1 October 2023 00: 07
            As a person who has been fed by the notorious smart meters for many years, I will tell you that not all meters in our country are smart or at least new. So there is still room for improvement with magnets and other popular technologies. But every day there is less and less space for this activity.
    2. man
      +1
      30 September 2023 08: 57
      Quote: ROSS 42
      The good news is that there are no electric motors with a power of up to 750 W in the Chinese stop list. Most of the motors for UAVs made in Russia have lower power – 300–500 W.

      The bad news is that in Russia neodymium magnets are widely used to stop water meters...
      Over the course of 30 years, we have “successfully” slipped from the image of a creator to the image of a consumer... That is why for many, wealth and security are expressed in the presence of a position in which creative work, in comparison with the official salary (income), plays a secondary role, with the obligatory attachment at home, cars and cottages...

      Yeah, they rephrased “what’s good for General Motors is good for the country” into “what’s good for me...” Apparently due to the absence of General Motors...
      1. KCA
        0
        30 September 2023 09: 59
        GM still exists, but the new cars that I see on the street with the Chevrolet emblem are Daewoo, which Chevy bought, only the Uzbeks have the right to produce cars under the Daewoo brand
        1. +1
          30 September 2023 11: 09
          I see on the street with a Chevrolet emblem it's a Daewoo
          Because this is a Russian street. In the USA and South America they sell theirs.
          1. KCA
            0
            30 September 2023 11: 17
            Only before, the whimsical classic, and the Tahoe, and even the Suburban flashed constantly, in the states it’s clear why their own cars began to prevail, they are ruining everyone, WAG heated up 5 lards, the rest are not happy either
          2. KCA
            -2
            30 September 2023 12: 34
            The WV Beetle is still being assembled in Brazil, what does it have to do with SSH_P?
            1. 0
              30 September 2023 19: 13
              The Beetle is discontinued there too. It has nothing to do with the USA. What is this for?
              1. KCA
                0
                1 October 2023 07: 30
                In addition to this “They sell theirs in the USA and South America”, Brazil, it seems, hasn’t moved anywhere from South America?
                1. +1
                  1 October 2023 08: 51
                  American cars, built in America, are sold there. There's a Chevrolet that's original, not an Uzbek virgin.
    3. -1
      9 October 2023 20: 38
      Quote: ROSS 42
      The bad news is that in Russia neodymium magnets are widely used to stop water meters..

      Come on. The protection has been there for a long time. A friend of mine once bought two of these magnets, and take them and stick them in your pocket. 200 rubles for water is not worth such gestures
  6. +2
    30 September 2023 05: 42
    We have a shift in favor of global military unmanned vehicles. Little attention was paid to small equipment. All this was left to the judgment of folk craftsmen. I don’t know, a magazine about foreign military weapons is published for all officers. Previously, there was one for all officers. Having such an extensive scientific base on this issue, you come to the conclusion that this is only a solution to the personnel issue.
    1. +7
      30 September 2023 06: 07
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      here is only a solution to the personnel issue

      To resolve the personnel issue, we first need guiding and directing - it doesn’t matter if it’s a party or one person. But, unfortunately, we don’t have this yet...
      1. man
        +3
        30 September 2023 09: 05
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
        here is only a solution to the personnel issue

        To resolve the personnel issue, we first need guiding and directing - it doesn’t matter if it’s a party or one person. But, unfortunately, we don’t have this yet...

        Our personnel issues are almost always resolved solely in favor of the factor of personal loyalty...
    2. +1
      30 September 2023 06: 13
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      I don’t know, a magazine about foreign military weapons is published for all officers. Previously, this was the case for all officers.

      I don't know which magazine you meant, maybe this one:

      I’m not sure that Russian officers (like other Russians) read as much as Soviet citizens read...
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Having such an extensive scientific base on this issue, you come to the conclusion that this is only a solution to the personnel issue.

      And with great attention I updated my ideas about why in Russia everything is done not according to the best examples of the development of the same capitalist system promoted by the VVR, but according to thieves’ concepts:
      1. man
        0
        30 September 2023 09: 23
        Hmmm... I have a lot of words on the tip of my tongue, but I can’t pronounce them... because they are all obscene...
    3. +3
      30 September 2023 06: 35
      Previously, this was the case for all officers.
      There was a magazine called Foreign Military Review, which came sealed in a thick envelope. The officer could subscribe to it if he wished. I have been prescribing for many years.
      1. +7
        30 September 2023 06: 58
        FOREIGN military review.................................................
        1. +2
          30 September 2023 08: 15
          Of course, “Foreign Military Review” will be considered a technical reservation on my part. Subscribed from 1976 to 1979. inclusive.
          1. +1
            30 September 2023 17: 16
            Quote: rotmistr60
            Subscribed from 1976 to 1979. inclusive.

            Apparently you are one of the "partisans". Those who...are professionals received an application, secret (in an envelope, on the midrange connection) to the magazine "Military Thought". Not often: only 2 times a year or on special occasions. There was analysis and trends. This was truly interesting and distinguished those “admitted” into the caste of the knowledgeable. This helped make the “right decisions”.
            AHA.
      2. +3
        30 September 2023 07: 55
        Quote: rotmistr60
        There was a magazine "Foreign Military Review"

        A very smart magazine. Only below they suggest that it is not “Foreign...”, but “Foreign...”, but this does not change the essence
    4. +1
      30 September 2023 13: 27
      Well, there wasn’t enough money for global military drones, but there was enough corruption. Read about Altair and Tsvetkov
  7. +1
    30 September 2023 06: 18
    . delivered by our own customs

    The whole service works for the SBU?? When were they recruited?

    I suggest that Putin write a letter and open his eyes to the chaos that is happening!
    1. 0
      1 October 2023 11: 16
      What if the Russian Post has also become an enemy and will delay the letter?))
  8. +6
    30 September 2023 06: 55
    China is still on our side.. That's it for now. How many copies have been broken on the topic of domestic critical technologies, and perhaps even today. If something appeared, it was like that microelectronics in microquantities.
  9. +4
    30 September 2023 07: 26
    Quote: ROSS 42
    The good news is that there are no electric motors with a power of up to 750 W in the Chinese stop list. Most of the motors for UAVs made in Russia have lower power – 300–500 W.

    The bad news is that in Russia neodymium magnets are widely used to stop water meters...
    Over the course of 30 years, we have “successfully” slipped from the image of a creator to the image of a consumer... That is why for many, wealth and security are expressed in the presence of a position in which creative work, in comparison with the official salary (income), plays a secondary role, with the obligatory attachment at home, cars and cottages...

    You might think it would have been different 40 years ago))). Weren’t you eager for positions, the opportunity to go on business trips abroad, buy a car out of turn, etc.? I read the book on the history of AvtoVAZ, everyone remembers it so beautifully, they were all such patriots, and I had a chance to personally talk a little with an AvtoVAZ veteran, so everything was as usual - squabbling for an apartment out of turn, a car, a foreign transfer, a bonus, etc.
    1. Eug
      0
      30 September 2023 10: 22
      Okay AvtoVAZ, but at the enterprises of the Ministry of General Administration there was also squabbling... and then “children” began to be “placed” in bosses’ chairs..
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  11. +6
    30 September 2023 07: 46
    Restricting does not mean prohibiting. This is the most important thing. Secondly, I signed up in Telega for the guys who “remake” UAVs to meet the needs of the customer from the front, they work with both single orders and large quantities. So the guys claim that “small wholesale” is not touches on. But the biggest obstacle is not China, but our Ministry of Defense. It purchases from intermediaries at inflated prices and unflashed UAVs. There are “offices”, again from the Ministry of Defense, they buy components from the Chinese, assemble the UAVs and push them on three roads, and the quality is worse than average But in the Duma, the generals “sing songs about how everything is fine with us and they have made every effort.” Just yesterday on TV, former General Kartopalov said “the fighters in the combat zone are provided with everything they need.” Or maybe we can check with the volunteers?
    1. +1
      1 October 2023 00: 10
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      There are “offices”, again from the Ministry of Defense, that buy components from the Chinese, assemble the UAVs and push them to three roads, and the quality is worse than average.


      Just here on VO the other day there was news (entirely stolen from the Internet) about the new breakthrough UAV “Scalpel”. The simplest fact-checking showed that we are talking about a dwarf office like “sharash-montazh”, which doesn’t really have anything yet, and is unlikely to have one. But they collect money to help themselves. You can use a card, or you can use crypto :-)
  12. +1
    30 September 2023 08: 04
    Quote: Mikhail Maslov
    Restricting does not mean prohibiting. This is the most important thing. Secondly, I signed up in Telega for the guys who “remake” UAVs to meet the needs of the customer from the front, they work with both single orders and large quantities. So the guys claim that “small wholesale” is not touches on. But the biggest obstacle is not China, but our Ministry of Defense. It purchases from intermediaries at inflated prices and unflashed UAVs. There are “offices”, again from the Ministry of Defense, they buy components from the Chinese, assemble the UAVs and push them on three roads, and the quality is worse than average But in the Duma, the generals “sing songs about how everything is fine with us and they have made every effort.” Just yesterday on TV, former General Kartopalov said “the fighters in the combat zone are provided with everything they need.” Or maybe we can check with the volunteers?

    Of course it is necessary, just not to clarify, but to strictly ask why they volunteers do not work well, why there is not enough of everything, when everyone will be provided with everything. The fighters are also good, no + to take a combat loan and buy everything you need, where you can pool it, so they are trying to demand something else.
    1. +1
      30 September 2023 08: 54
      And you’re right. Sign up as a volunteer for the war. Fight for half a year and (if you’re lucky) go on vacation to China and buy everything you need.
  13. +4
    30 September 2023 08: 40
    A shame! We can’t even reach the level of the USSR in electrical engineering, shame!
    Radio technology and military equipment of the USSR are still working!
  14. +4
    30 September 2023 08: 58
    All this is political PR.
    "But the Russians and the Chinese have long been second-class citizens in the United States. . For example, Washington, under pain of criminal prosecution, prohibits the sale of the most modern photolithographs to Moscow and Beijing, ..."
    You might think that we allow the sale of advanced developments in USA, for example, in Nuclear energy or hypersound... And how many children of the Russian elite and Chinese rich are there in USA....
    I wonder if they know that they are “second class”?
    well, etc.

    And restrictions on the export of UAVs are logical. Why the author got so worked up is actually understandable..
  15. +1
    30 September 2023 09: 14
    Quote: KCA
    Forget about neodymium magnets on the meters, electricity meters have been installed electronically for 15 years now, water meters are made from plastic parts, plastic is not a magnetic material at all

    Various cunning guys don’t know something about this, but out of nothing to do they came up with magnetically sensitive fillings.)
    But there is a hint - the gears in the water meter are plastic, but their axis...
  16. Eug
    +2
    30 September 2023 10: 15
    China needs a result - the maximum weakening of the United States, even greater dependence of Russia on it and the restoration of effective demand in Europe. Whether this will be achieved peacefully or militarily is not important for China. If only his database
    not directly hooked.
  17. +1
    30 September 2023 11: 45
    Neither volunteers nor government buyers simply have enough money for military developments.

    That's right! And this is the only thing that has driven our country into complete dependence on the high technologies of the West, and on China too.
    The Putins, Chubais, Abramovichs, Kovalchuks, Rotenbergs, Volodins, Matvienkos, Chemezovs, and hundreds and thousands of other thieves sucked everything they could out of the country from their own pockets, and they didn’t care that they even had to buy nails abroad.
    But if the twentieth century was the century of oil and gas, then the twenty-first is becoming, or has already become, the century of microelectronics. There are a lot of materials on the topic of microelectronics in the public domain.
    A fundamentally new photolithography technology, which is significantly simpler and cheaper than that currently used in industry, was developed by a company founded in Switzerland by Russian scientists and engineers. They reported on the results of their work at a world conference dedicated to photolithography in microelectronics.
    In February 2020, the next world conference of the International Society of Optics and Photonics (SPIE), dedicated to progress in the field of photolithography, was held in San Jose (California). Unfortunately, only recently we received the texts of four reports on the development of holographic lithography, which were presented at the conference by representatives of the Swiss company Nanotech SWLH GmbH, founded by our compatriots led by Professor, Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences Vadim Rakhovsky in Switzerland.
    Active participants in the development who have made a significant contribution to the development and creation of holographic lithography are company employees, Professor, Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences A.S. Shamaev and candidates of technical sciences M.V. Borisov, D.A. Chelyubeyev, V.V. Blueberry.
    Only in Switzerland have they received major support from the Swiss Research Institute for Applied Materials Science and Technology (Empa), which is part of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology.

    Well, where was the Russian government all this time under the leadership of the greatest geostrategist and geopolitician of our time?
    There was no money?
    Well, there were people who had money. And the brains, of course...
  18. 0
    30 September 2023 12: 23
    On the one hand, all sorts of Europeans and Americans will look at China, and they themselves will begin to mine rare earth metals.
    There the question is not about mining, they are not digging. Those who work in metallurgy have these metals, a by-product of ore preparation (so I'm told).
    On the other hand, Beijing may open the market at the most unexpected moment, and then billions of dollars in investments in the mining and processing of rare earth metals will go to waste.
    They will ban buying them from China, and that’s it.
  19. 0
    30 September 2023 13: 48
    How to effectively fight drones? Anti-aircraft machine gun? Shoot something at 200 m with remote detonation?
    1. 0
      30 September 2023 14: 25
      There are already a lot of ways to deal with drones. What are you interested in - electronic warfare, machine guns - as you said, drones, anti-drones?....
      1. 0
        30 September 2023 15: 07
        As a platoon commander, I am not entitled to electronic warfare equipment. There is a drone, but it is for reconnaissance and I am not going to sacrifice it as an anti-drone. The rifle remains - but I forbade it, it’s a waste of used guns.
        1. 0
          30 September 2023 15: 35
          Then you have only one weapon - a machine gun. And train a fighter. Used fuel consumption - you have to put up with it. I wonder if it is possible to make an anti-aircraft stand - like what the Germans did during WWII for MG machine guns. Still, don’t shoot with your hands.
          1. 0
            8 October 2023 16: 09
            They shot differently. A belt from an anti-aircraft machine gun was fired at the drone - the guy was floating there. A very fast and small target. Well, the drone operator is not a stupid person. They fired 12,7 NSVT from the tank's turret.
  20. 0
    30 September 2023 14: 22
    Any invention can be recreated and improved. Technical problems can all be resolved. There is no monopoly. If there is a goal and thinking people. If there is a will. And you know what - so be it. And tell me how the DPRK - which is forever/for life under sanctions, forever limited in technology from the outside - was able to create its own nuclear weapons, and go into space... and much more... that we may not know about.
    1. +1
      1 October 2023 00: 13
      Most of their components are also from China. Just like Iran.
    2. 0
      1 October 2023 09: 45
      Tell me about the DPRK - which is forever/for life under sanctions

      There have never been Chubais in the DPRK...
  21. 0
    1 October 2023 00: 17
    But China is not Taiwan and DJI remained under the wing of Beijing.


    Just in case, I would like to remind you that DJI were going to build a plant in Uzhgorod. The SVO, of course, canceled these plans, but it is not difficult to understand with high officials of which country DJI has close informal ties.
  22. +2
    2 October 2023 10: 41
    Quote: author
    But Russians and Chinese have long been second-class citizens in the United States. For example, Washington, under pain of criminal prosecution, prohibits sales to Moscow and Beijing

    Well yes.
    In Russia it’s the other way around.
    >20% of electricity in the USA is generated at nuclear power plants, and in Ukraine all 60%, Westinghouse assemblies for Ukrainian nuclear power plants are 70% (but this is not certain) from uranium enriched in Russia (our own and Kazakh)
    According to (US EIA) foreign trade statistics for 2022 and seven months of 2023, Russia is largest supplier of enriched uranium to the country

    If memory serves, the Russian Federation supplies to the United States 2,2 times more enriched uranium than its own nuclear power plants consume and almost 3 times more than it receives from its ore
  23. +1
    2 October 2023 12: 00
    Comrades! Chinese comrades have not been our comrades for a long time! ©