Features of the Swedish fleet of the XNUMXth century

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Battle of Grenham.


The Swedish Navy and the Great Northern War


By the end of 1700, the Swedish fleet consisted of 39 ships, divided into 4 ranks. These ships were 116–180 feet in length, had crews ranging from 210 to 850 men, and carried from 46 to 108 guns. In addition, there were 13 ships of rank 5-6, often called frigates, 82-124 feet in length, crewed from 46 to 190 people and 16-36 guns. Of the lighter ships, there were shnyavas, two bombardment galliots, 4 yachts, two galleys and more than 29 transports, two of the latter could, if desired, be converted into frigates.



The microscopic number of small ships is noteworthy, and this despite the fact that most of the Gulf of Finland and the coast of Finland are cut up by islands and skerries, where it is difficult to use large ships.

Why was this decision made? The answer is from budget savings. From small fleet it was decided to refuse, and small ships built in the 1660s–1680s were simply not built as they were decommissioned.

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Battle of Gangut.

By 1700, the Admiralty had requested 113 riksdaler for the construction of 056 new ships, of which three were planned for Gothenburg (Western Squadron). In total, in 4, 1700 riksdalers were allocated to the Admiralty.

The main problem of the Swedish fleet was that a large number of its ships were very old. Of the 39 battleships in 1700, 15 were more than 20 years old, and another 8 were between 10 and 20 years old. Therefore, in 1701, the Admiralty requested an additional 22 riksdaler for the construction of one ship of the line, and several ships were declared unfit for service. In addition, it was urgent to build 500 more frigates, since the situation with frigates was exactly the same, they needed 4 riksdalers. Finally, another 32 riksdaler were required to manufacture the required number of bombardment ships for the fleet.

In 1702, 113 riksdaler were requested for the construction of ships. It was planned to lay down 482 battleships, 2 brigantines and complete the construction of the 4 bombardment galliots that began to be built last year. But the Swedish Treasury in 4 had only half of the requested amount. As a result, the construction of the galliots was suspended; instead of a new battleship, they decided to restore the Småland (its timbering cost a wild sum, three-quarters of the new one) and launched 1702 brigantines and 2 half-galley.

1703 For the construction of at least one new ship, the Admiralty requests 20 riksdaler, and in total for the construction of ships - 251 riksdaler. Receives 66 riksdaler, which allowed the laying of one 000-gun ship and a half-galley, as well as the completion of 55 frigate and 251 brigantines.

In 1704, 84 riksdalers were required to complete and launch a battleship and frigate. This amount was obtained through annexations and indemnities from Poland. Encouraged, the Admiralty next year requested 499 riksdaler for a 106-gun ship, two ships of 437 ranks and a 90-gun frigate. But the money ran out, and nothing was allocated for the construction of ships.

Nevertheless, in 1706, a 70- and 50-gun ship was launched, which cost 53 riksdaler. In fact, their construction should have cost much more - the estimate was 583 riksdaler. In total, the fleet received 125 riksdalers that year instead of the requested 997 riksdalers. To ensure this amount, 326 riksdaler were simply withdrawn from the maintenance of sailors and port infrastructure (barracks, baths, warehouses, workshops, etc.).

The same thing was done in 1707, and in 1708, and in 1709. As a result, 5 ships were built to complement the three that could be launched in 1706.

But this was not enough, because the fleet continued to materially age and wear out. In addition, the Treasury began to persistently reduce the allocation of funds for the maintenance of the fleet; in 1720, only 112 riksdaler were allocated for the fleet.

As a result, this is what the ship's composition looked like in tabular form.

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The result of this policy in the matter of ship construction and equipment is summed up by the list of ships inspected by Karl Sheldon.

Sverige - unusable for the last eight years - not worth repairing (repairs will cost 3/4 the cost of a new ship).
“Victoria” has not been able to go to sea due to rottenness for three years.
"Estland" and "Livland" - for scrapping.
“Wrangel” - during ten years of being in the port of Stockholm, it actually sank in shallow water “you can barely walk on the lower deck, 6 of the 8 beams simply collapsed into the hold.”
“Halland” is docked in the port of Stockholm, but if you give up the mooring lines, there is no certainty that it will not immediately sink.
Finally, the Konung Carl, the flagship of the fleet, is actually a skeleton, since all the sails and rigging on it simply rotted, the yards collapsed, and supplies from Riga are no longer expected.


Super Raiders before it became mainstream


The best example of the Admiralty's management of ship construction will probably be this story.

After Poltava, Karl fled to Turkish Bendery, where he stayed until 1715, but kept his finger on the pulse of affairs in Sweden and wrote long letters to the royal council about what and how to do.

The Turks (according to Swedish data) nicknamed it “mischievous lightning”, in fact it turns out to be an analogue of a ball lightning – yıldırım yaramaz, where the second word is translated as mischievous, harmful, naughty, inept. Apparently, Karl knew about this nickname. But how is it related to the fleet? That's how.

Next is the story of Gibert Sheldon.

So, the year is 1713, and Charles XII writes a letter to Charles Sheldon (Gilbert’s grandfather or great-grandfather), one of his main shipbuilders, and asks to build two one-deck frigates for the Swedish fleet, which he calls “Yıldırım” and “Yaramaz”, however, with a Swedish accent ("Jilderim" and "Jaramas").

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Approximate view of the frigate "Jilderim".

At first, His Majesty planned to make these ships 60-gun, but then he quickly realized that so many would not fit on one deck, and mercifully reduced the number of guns to 54. The guns had to be 18-pounders in the deck, and 8-pounders in the superstructure.

The Admiralty Board met and began to discuss the budget, but finances in Sweden were very bad, and it was decided to once again reduce the number of guns. Until thirty. But put in all the 18-pounders. It turned out to be a kind of super-frigate, ready to tear apart the enemy, but then the chief storekeeper of the fleet stepped in. He said bluntly - there are no cannons in the navy's warehouses. Or rather, there are exactly 30 of them, if we are talking about 18-pound ones. But there are 8- and 12-pounders in abundance. That is, with superfrigates everything is complicated. What do we do? We decided so. Let's distribute the guns between two frigates, but for good measure we'll add 4 more small guns to the ship. We'll get 34 guns.

And finally, the project took on its final form.

Jilderim carried twenty-four 18-pounder guns and ten 8-pounder guns.

Jaramas carried the remaining six 18-pounder guns, eighteen 12-pounders and ten 8-pounders. True, then all the 18-pounders were removed, and the final armament of the frigate became twenty 12-pounder guns and ten 8-pounder guns.

The life of the Jilderim was short - it was captured by two Danish 1717-gunners in 50, but the Jaramas served for a long time - until 1741, when it was scrapped.

Well, Gilbert Sheldon, who also worked as a shipbuilder in Sweden, had to build another “Jaramas” - a 34-gun ship with twenty-two 12-pounder and twelve 4-pounder guns. By the way, this ship survived right up to the Battle of Hogland in 1788 and took part in the battle with the Russian squadron, although in the role of an extra.

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Technical drawing of the frigate "Jaramas" built in 1759.

The Turks believe that Charles XII was inspired by Algerian frigates, although if you take data on any Algerian, you can see that this is not so.

English researchers believe that Charles decided to create super raiders, destroyers of trade, anticipating American super frigates by 100 years. The problem is that this was an attempt to pass off need as virtue. Karl's project to create conventional 50-gunners simply shrunk to 34-gunners due to the fact that the Swedes had neither money nor spare parts and equipment, because the fleet in 1713–1716. supplied on a residual basis.

Archipelago fleet


By the end of the Northern War of 1700–1721. Russian galleys simply tormented the Swedish coast, and the Swedes drew their conclusions. A flotilla of galleys was created in Skeppsholmen (then a suburb of Stockholm), whose task was to operate in the shallow waters of Finland. It was called the Stockholm squadron (Stockholmseskadern). But in the war with Russia of 1741–1743, it turned out that the Swedes had too few galleys, because “size matters.” That is why, in 1747, the creation of the Army Fleet, or Archipelago Fleet, began.

The baptism of the Swedish Army Fleet was the landing of 1 troops on the island of Usedom for the siege of Peenemünde-schanz. After 100 days of fighting and shelling, Peenemünde fell. Well, in 10, the Swedish galley fleet destroyed the Prussian galleys at the Frisches Haff roadstead in Stettin. And in 1759, the galley fleet was removed from the subordination of the fleet and placed under the subordination of the army, or rather, the Kriegskollegium (analogous to the General Staff). Now it became known as the Army Fleet (Arméns flotta). At the same time, the Stockholm squadron of galleys, based in the capital, remained under the jurisdiction of the fleet, but rowing ships and vessels in Sveaborg, Abo, Turku, Gothenburg, and Pomerania now had the supremacy of the army.

Next, the galley fleet was divided into two squadrons - Swedish and Finnish, and finally, in 1777, it was finally given to the army. At the same time, sailors and officers on ships were recruited from among the sailors, but artillerymen and soldiers were recruited from the army.

And then the Swedish shipbuilding genius unfolded with all its might, because the Swedes wanted to gain not only a numerical, but also a technical advantage in a hypothetical battle in the Archipelago. Traditional galleys were effective as amphibious transport vessels for amphibious operations, but were weakly armed, especially when compared with a large crew: a galley with a crew of 250, almost all of whom were oarsmen, typically had only one 24-pounder gun and two 6 -pounders, all in the bow. And in 1760, the first type of rowing frigates, the Udem, was developed.

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Udema Thorborg. Model in the Swedish Maritime Museum.

The idea was the following - to build a deck above the rowers, which would be used as an artillery deck. The first rowing udema frigate "Gamla" had eight 12-pounders on board and two 12-pounders in the bow, while the length of the ship was 30 meters and the draft was only one and a half meters. The sailing armament consisted exclusively of lateen sails.

But it is clear that the superstructure made the rowing frigate much slower than the galley; in battle, the rowers were constantly injured by chips and fragments of wooden structures from the cannonballs, and the gunpowder smoke that accumulated on the rowing deck did not allow them to row effectively.

Overall, Udem was soon recognized as a bad decision. Even new iterations in 1776, which used gun ports for rowing (that is, the ship could either fire or row), were slightly improved, but did not radically change the situation.

In 1764, another type of rowing frigate was developed - the pojama. In essence, it was a reinforced galley, with a pair of 12- or 24-pound guns at the bow and stern. The sailing rig consisted of two masts with lateen sails. In addition, provision was made for the cannons to be moved to a central elevated platform, which theoretically made it possible to fire along the side. But this process was so labor-intensive that it was never used.

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Brynhilda Pojama. Model in the Swedish Maritime Museum.

The Poyama had a length of 23,8 m, a width of 5,5 m and a draft of 1,8 m; there were only four ships of this type in the Swedish fleet, their scope of use was limited to reconnaissance and delivery of dispatches.

Compared to galleys, the new types of ships had better protection for the crew and three times the capacity. They could operate in skerries in any weather and on high water on all days except the most severe storms. They had a deeper draft than galleys, but significantly less than traditional sailing warships.

The next type of archipelago frigate was the Turuma. In essence, it was a strengthened, slightly modified udema. The hull was lengthened to 38,5 meters and widened to 9,5 meters, but otherwise had the same design. For additional mobility, the turuma had 19 pairs of oars (16 pairs on the first two ships), which were rowed by four people per oar. The rowers, unlike the udema, were located on the upper deck, above the gun deck. The oar pad (a device for securing the oar at the side) was located on outriggers, which gave a greater leverage effect.

Turums rowed slowly; in calm weather their speed was barely half a knot; it was generally impossible to row them against the wind. Let's compare it with an ordinary galley, which could reach speeds of up to 7 knots, and for a long time without fatigue of the rowers could sail at 3-4 knots.

Unlike the Udem, the Turums carried sailing rigs of the “ship” type (straight sails on the first two masts, slant sails on the mizzen). Turuma carried twenty-four 12-pounder cannons (ten on each side, two cannons in the bow and two in the stern), that is, it could easily give battle to even an ordinary 12-pounder frigate.

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Turuma Lodbrok. Model in the Swedish Maritime Museum.

One of the turums, Amphion, was built as a yacht, with a schooner rig, and during the Russo-Swedish War of 1788–1790 she became the headquarters ship of King Gustav III. However - the irony of fate - it was the Amphion that showed such disgusting seaworthiness that because of this, during the battle of Vyborg, the king was almost captured, having managed in time to switch to another, faster ship.

By 1788, Sweden had 7 ships of this type in service.

And finally, the crown of creation of sailing-rowing frigates was considered to be the gemmema. In the construction of the frigate, the Swedes returned to the idea of ​​udema - the rowers should be located on the lower deck, this will allow them to develop greater speed. Along with the increase in size (length was 44,5 meters, width - 11 meters, 20 pairs of oars, draft 3 meters), the armament was also strengthened. The gememmas carried twenty-two 36-pounder guns, plus two 12-pounder guns.

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Gemma Oden.

In total, the Swedes had 9 such ships, which historian Jan Glete called “superfrigates of the Archipelago.”

Some conclusions


Did these ships help the Swedes in the wars with Russia in 1788–1790? and in 1808–1809?

Yes and no. In the war of 1788–1790. the Russians had to improvise, because Russia’s galley fleet was frankly small, and at the first stage the Russians focused on the usual galleys and gunboats, which were supported whenever possible by sailing frigates and sloops. However, already in 1789, the Russians began building rowing frigates of the Mediterranean type - half-acre and shebek.

Already in the first Battle of Rochensalm, 6 turums, 3 udems, 1 poyama and 1 gememma took part in the battle on the Swedish side, while on the Russian side - 8 half-acres and five sailing brigs. As a result of the ensuing battle, the Swedes lost 3 turums, a heme and a poyama, while Russian losses were limited to 1 galley and 1 gunboat.

In the second Battle of Rochensalm, rowing frigates, being pre-positioned in defensive positions, inflicted colossal losses on the Russians, and in Sweden this is extolled in every possible way as a key victory of that war.

However, in essence, the Army Fleet for Sweden became a fleet of one battle, or rather, one victory, because no one drew conclusions or worked on mistakes.

That is why in the war of 1808–1809. The Swedish Army Fleet, frankly speaking, did not shine, and a third of it generally fell into the hands of the Russians without a fight during the surrender of Sveaborg.

References:
1. Lars O. Berg “Karolinsk flotta. Studier och tabeller Av förste arkivarie” – “Forum navale”. 1970. No. 25.
2. Lars O. Berg “Skärgårdsflottans fartyg: Typer och utveckling under 1700 – och 1800-talet” – Historiska media, Lund. 2000.
3. Anderson, Roger Charles, “Oared Fighting Ships: From classical times to the coming of steam” – London. 1962.
4. Gunnar Artéus (redaktör) “Gustav III:s ryska krig” – Probus, Stockholm. 1992.
5. Harris, Daniel G, Fredrik “Henrik af Chapman: The First Naval Architect and his Work” – Literatim, Stockholm. 2001.
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  1. +6
    29 September 2023 06: 54
    Good morning, thank you for the article, but (to put it mildly) it raised more questions for me personally than I found answers:
    The first rowing udema frigate "Gamla" had eight 12-pounders on board and two 12-pounders in the bow, while the length of the ship was 30 meters and the draft was only one and a half meters. [i] The sailing armament consisted exclusively of lateen sails. [/b]

    Any frigate or its rowing subtype (akat, gemmam, etc.) had direct sails on three masts. In this case, the name frigate is clearly inappropriate.
    Udem, like the straight one, are subtypes of royal (admiral) galleys.
    1. +4
      29 September 2023 07: 02
      “Unlike the Udem, the Turums carried sailing rigs of the “ship” type (straight sails on the first two masts, slant sails on the mizzen). Turuma carried twenty-four 12-pounder cannons (ten on each side, two cannons in the bow and two in the stern), that is, it could easily give battle to even an ordinary 12-pounder frigate.”
      Taking into account that these rowing frigates (in this case, everything is correct) were built at the end of the 18th century, their alleged opponents already carried 18-pound guns, so they did not pose a threat to an ordinary frigate.
      1. +2
        29 September 2023 07: 30
        Let me clarify a little, with the exception of Amphion, which had the sailing rig of a brigantine.
  2. +5
    29 September 2023 08: 11
    English researchers believe that Charles decided to create super raiders, destroyers of trade, anticipating American super frigates by 100 years.

    Or maybe it’s more banal, in 1707, at the Salombala shipyard, the 32 cannon frigate Dumkrat was launched with 12 24 pound guns in a closed battery (deck) and 10 12 pound guns on the upper deck. In total, 1727 such frigates were laid down before 27.
    So, contrary to the opinion of British historians, the super-frigate has already been created. How paradoxical it is in Russia. Until the end of Peter’s reign, a 44-gun frigate was launched, and in 1762, the first frigates of 54-gun rank were built for the Black Sea Fleet in Kherson. In 1829, the 60-gun “Archipelago” entered service.
    R.s. I am sincerely amazed by the “pathetics” of a number of Authors in the use of foreign literature, especially modern “British historians”. At a minimum, to start writing articles about the Swedish fleet, you need to familiarize yourself with the opinion of our and foreign luminaries on this issue, for example A. Stentsil. His work, more than a century old, details the features and evolution of the Swedish rowing fleet from Udem to Gemmam.
    R.ss Seriously, in the author’s work, I did not find the answer to the old burning question: what type of ship was the Elephant we captured - a rowing frigate or a pram? And where did the Swedes get 6 large galleys (with 14 guns) that we captured along with Elephant in the Battle of Gangut?

    Regards, Kote!
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    2. +3
      29 September 2023 09: 24
      Or maybe it’s more banal, in 1707, at the Salombala shipyard, the 32 cannon frigate Dumkrat was launched with 12 24 pound guns in a closed battery (deck) and 10 12 pound guns on the upper deck. In total, 1727 such frigates were laid down before 27.
      So, contrary to the opinion of British historians, the super-frigate has already been created. How paradoxical it is in Russia.

      The weapons you listed are design weapons that were never installed on Dumkrat. In fact, he was armed with twenty eight-pounder and twelve six-pounder guns. That is, this is a typical ship of the fifth rank according to the British classification of 1706 Establishment.

      1. +2
        29 September 2023 09: 47
        Seriously, in the author's work I did not find the answer to the old burning question: what type of ship was the Elephant we captured - a rowing frigate or a pram?

        The Swedes themselves classify it as skottpråmen (Gun pram).
        Judging by the picture of the similar skottpråmen Helper, this is a classic pram.

        1. +3
          29 September 2023 11: 11
          And where did the Swedes get 6 large galleys (with 14 guns) that we captured along with Elephant in the Battle of Gangut?

          How from? All descriptions of the Battle of Gangut say that Ehrenskiöld’s detachment consisted of Elephant and six galleys.
          Nils Ehrenskiöld med skottpråmen Elefanten och sex galärer

          All of them were captured.
          As for cannons, for example, the galley Örnen was armed with two thirty-six-pounder guns and fourteen three-pounder swivel guns.
          1. +2
            29 September 2023 11: 42
            Quote: Dekabrist
            And where did the Swedes get 6 large galleys (with 14 guns) that we captured along with Elephant in the Battle of Gangut?

            How from? All descriptions of the Battle of Gangut say that Ehrenskiöld’s detachment consisted of Elephant and six galleys.
            Nils Ehrenskiöld med skottpråmen Elefanten och sex galärer

            All of them were captured.
            As for cannons, for example, the galley Örnen was armed with two thirty-six-pounder guns and fourteen three-pounder swivel guns.

            I confess I counted the onboard artillery and forgot about the frontal cannons (which were not used in battle).
            They became large galleys due to the number of cans.
            Scampoway (half gallera) up to 18 cans.
            Galera - from 18 to 22.
            Large galleys - over 22. Large galleys had 3-pound cannons in their broadsides. Galleys and scapoways only hold 1-2 pound bass.
      2. +3
        29 September 2023 11: 13
        According to the classes of warships of the British Navy, any frigate (being with one battery deck) would be classified as rank 6.
        The question is different. The Author’s reference to certain “British historians” who “applaud” the Swedes and thaw their primacy in the construction of “super (large) frigates.” They do the same when they admire the “Constitution” by the ocean.
        Moreover, the enlightened naval powers of Britain, France and Holland did not engage in such blasphemy for trivial reasons and for the following reasons. Any two-deck battleship will have a stronger hull set due to the extra battery deck than a similar frigate. Based on this, everyone sculpted small battleships, not large frigates.
        We built frigates of increased displacement due to ignorance, poverty and the shallow Baltic, and later the Black Sea, seas.
        Regarding the Dumkrat, in two books, including Wikipedia, they write about 24 pound guns of the Russian Navy (Bolonsky, Titkova) and Russian combat sailing ships (Gazenko), in the rest there is only a mention of 36 guns.
        However, considering that in Europe at this stage the transition from 12-pounder guns on frigates to 18-pounder ones is just beginning, even including in the project the possibility of installing 24-pounder guns is a significant step forward.
        R.s. Frigates began receiving 24-pound carronades on the eve of the Napoleonic Wars
        1. +3
          29 September 2023 14: 19
          According to the classes of warships of the British Navy, any frigate (being with one battery deck) would be classified as rank 6

          There are no ships of the sixth rank in the 1706 Establishment, there are only the fifth - 40-gun fifth-rates and 30-gun fifth-rates.
          The sixth rank - Sixth rates of 20 guns - appeared in 1719 Establishment. This is the first.
          Jumper - double-deck - lower - overloopedeck and upper - gulfdeck.
          Regarding the Dumkrat, in two books, including Wikipedia, they write about 24 pound guns of the Russian Navy (Bolonsky, Titkova) and Russian combat sailing ships (Gazenko), in the rest there is only a mention of 36 guns.

          Look at the reference book "Russian Sailing Fleet", volume one on page 187.
          The inclusion in the project of the possibility of installing 24 pound guns is a significant step forward.

          Incorporating weapons into the ship's design that it could not physically carry is a dubious achievement. However, judging by the “Directory...”, there are great doubts that such weapons were included in the project. We need to seriously look at the archives.
          1. +2
            29 September 2023 18: 46
            There are no ships of the sixth rank in the 1706 Establishment, there are only the fifth - 40-gun fifth-rates and 30-gun fifth-rates.

            As far as I remember, all ships out of rank were classified as rank 6. The Dumkrat was laid out as a 36-gun frigate with one deck (closed by a battery deck), where you get two from, it’s difficult to answer. There were exceptions to the rules, but in the 19th century.
            1. Fat
              +2
              29 September 2023 19: 31
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              Dumkrat was laid down as a 36-gun frigate

              In the list of ships' personnel of the Baltic Fleet dated 1708, compiled by the English diplomat Charles Whitworth, the Dumkrat appears as a ship with 32 guns.
              The ship's standard armament consisted of 32 guns. On the lower deck (overloodeck) 22 24-pound guns (11 on each side) weighing 168 pounds each were to be installed, on the gulf deck - 10 6-pound guns weighing 56 pounds each.
              Vladislav, it’s starting to seem to me that we are talking about different ships request
              Gulfdeck - quarterdeck (rear superstructure) where the six-pounders should have been.
            2. +1
              29 September 2023 21: 32
              As far as I remember, all ships out of rank were classified as rank 6.

              Before writing, I checked the primary sources; in the 1706 Establishment there is no sixth rank as such.
              Dumkrat was laid down as a 36-gun frigate

              It was laid down as a 32-gun.



              one deck (closed by a battery deck), where do you get two from? It’s difficult to answer.




              "Oliphant" and "Dumkrat" are of the same type.
              1. Fat
                +2
                29 September 2023 22: 54
                Quote: Dekabrist
                "Oliphant" and "Dumkrat" are of the same type.

                hi Victor. One could say “sister ship,” but such a name was not used then. One master and a bookmark in a year. Both ships served as Baltic flagships...

                In the photo - "Oliphant", a model of course.
          2. +2
            29 September 2023 19: 00
            Incorporating weapons into the ship's design that it could not physically carry is a dubious achievement. However, judging by the “Directory...”, there are great doubts that such weapons were included in the project. We need to seriously look at the archives.

            Why? If you use the oblique set, which was used in the construction of 100 cannon battleships. Then the construction of a 44 cannon frigate is possible. Or the presence of a longitudinal set (imaginary deck), which the Constitution has (initially a two-deck ship was sculpted from it). True, in her case, the unique characteristics of wood were laid down. Again, we are talking about a “44-gun domestic” frigate. The latter could be armed with weak 12-pounder guns.
            1. +1
              29 September 2023 22: 24
              If you use an oblique set

              If by “oblique set” you mean the system of diagonal connections of the body, which in Russia was called “sepping”, after the name of the developer, then this is the end of the XNUMXth century, and in Russia - the XNUMXth century.
              1. 0
                1 October 2023 00: 23
                Quote: Dekabrist
                If you use an oblique set

                If by “oblique set” you mean the system of diagonal connections of the body, which in Russia was called “sepping”, after the name of the developer, then this is the end of the XNUMXth century, and in Russia - the XNUMXth century.

                No, the power plating set is the same as that of Peter I and II.
        2. +2
          29 September 2023 14: 58
          The question is different. The Author’s reference to certain “British historians” who “applaud” the Swedes and thaw their primacy in the construction of “super (large) frigates.” They do the same when they admire the “Constitution” by the ocean.

          To be honest, in my opinion, it is incorrect to kick certain “British historians” based on hearsay. I have not seen any special reverence for the frigates Jilderim and Jarramas in either British or Swedish sources. As in the American ones about Original six frigates of the United States Navy. Even in the book Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the US Navy. It is in relation to their design and construction. And the fact that Americans admire the actions of the “Constitution” against the British in 1812 is not justified. I don't see any reason for criticism here.
          1. +1
            29 September 2023 19: 04
            And the fact that Americans admire the actions of the “Constitution” against the British in 1812 is not justified. I don't see any reason for criticism here.

            In a word - lucky (how many times I walked along the edge of the abyss and still missed).
    3. Fat
      +2
      29 September 2023 19: 09
      hi Greetings, Vladislav.
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      in 1707, the 32-gun frigate Dumkrat was launched at the Salombala shipyard

      "Dumkrat" was laid down on July 9, 1706 at the Olonets shipyard. Launched June 8, 1707. Builder W. Gerens.
      Olonets shipyard, also known as Svirskaya (since 1785 - Lodeynopolskaya).
      The ship was built on Ladoga, and not near Arkhangelsk.
      1. +1
        29 September 2023 22: 09
        Quote: Thick
        hi Greetings, Vladislav.
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        in 1707, the 32-gun frigate Dumkrat was launched at the Salombala shipyard

        "Dumkrat" was laid down on July 9, 1706 at the Olonets shipyard. Launched June 8, 1707. Builder W. Gerens.
        Olonets shipyard, also known as Svirskaya (since 1785 - Lodeynopolskaya).
        The ship was built on Ladoga, and not near Arkhangelsk.


        For what I bought, for what I sell.
        1. Fat
          +3
          29 September 2023 23: 15
          In vain Vladislav. The first frigates, according to legend, were dragged by Peter from Nyukhcha to Povenets on Onega... Along the “Osudareva” road... Moreover, the legend “about the frigates” has not been confirmed (only 2 ice boats from Solombala are reliably known to have reached Ladoga and then... in 1704...)
          Here, the versions of the Life Guards regimental historians Azanchevsky and Dirin cannot be trusted.
          The most powerful frigates of the Baltic in 1706 and 1707 on foot through the Karelian "chepyzhi" was the same dead enterprise as a sea voyage from the White Sea to the Baltic. This would certainly become another legend, but no one mentions it. The author of the book you cite is definitely mistaken.
          With respect.
          1. +2
            30 September 2023 08: 11
            The author of the book you cite is definitely mistaken.

            To dot the “e”, we take the directory of the Naval Ministry of 1872.


  3. +1
    29 September 2023 12: 44
    The year is 1700, war with Russia. Peter 1 quickly built rowing ships, over a hundred were built, that is, he focuses on operations in the skerries. We will not have large ships or there will be few of our own built ones. There are many large ships available in varying degrees of wear and tear, but construction of large ships continues nonetheless. Couldn’t it have been possible to build at least a couple of dozen galleys with the same money? Or, as usual, change is not needed in the fleet?
  4. 0
    29 September 2023 14: 06
    Somehow the picture with the image of the “super raider” suspiciously reminds me of some kind of galleon.
    1. 0
      29 September 2023 19: 06
      Quote: Dimax-Nemo
      Somehow the picture with the image of the “super raider” suspiciously reminds me of some kind of galleon.

      It reminds you correctly - the drawing was taken from the ceiling.
  5. Fat
    +2
    29 September 2023 18: 42
    hi Great review. Thank you. I'll go figure it out now
    With respect.
    1. +1
      29 September 2023 22: 18
      Quote: Thick
      hi Great review. Thank you. I'll go figure it out now
      With respect.

      Hi Andrew!
      If you are interested in the Swedish skerry fleet, look through A. Shtenzel’s “War at Sea.” Of all their know-how, only gemams turned out to be successful. In our country they have become a separate class of flat-bottomed ships, sometimes not even three-masted frigates, but in a two-masted version.
      1. Fat
        +2
        29 September 2023 23: 21
        Thank you, Vladislav! I'll definitely dig in... Yes