RSC Energia has completed work on the creation of a new spacecraft

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The other day, received official confirmation important for the national astronautics news - RSC Energia completed the technical design of a new Russian manned spacecraft. It is assumed that by the year 2017 will begin his flight tests. The ship created by Energia will have to replace faithfully serving and continuing to serve the Russian astronautics Soyuz ships. At the same time, a number of experts are not entirely optimistic and doubt the need for a new development in Russia in this area.

On Wednesday, December 26, Vitaly Lopota, President of the Rocket and Space Corporation (RKK) Energia, told reporters at Interfax during a press conference about the completion of the technical design of a new Russian manned spacecraft. With sufficient funding, flight tests of new products in the corporation expect to start by 2017 year. According to Vitaly Lopot, the corporation is working on a completely new ship, its layout will probably be shown to the audience already in the framework of the International Aerospace Salon in Moscow MAKS-2013. At the same time, the head of RSC Energia did not provide other details at the meeting with journalists. Earlier it was reported that "Energy" is working on a promising manned transport system, abbreviated as PPTS. The working title of the new generation system is Rus-M. For these works, the corporation allocated about 800 million rubles.

It is assumed that the new manned ship with time will completely replace the Soyuz ships. Launches of the new transporter are supposed to be carried out from the new Russian Vostochny cosmodrome. At the same time, the landing of promising ships should also be carried out on the territory of Russia, currently, the Soyuz spacecraft take off from Baikonur and land on the territory of Kazakhstan as well. Especially for a new ship, a new booster vehicle of increased payload is created, which has the same name “Rus-M”. The plans stipulate that the flight tests of the new rocket will begin in the 2015 year, in order to ensure the possibility of the first flight of the launch vehicle with a manned spacecraft from the 2018 year. At the same time there is information that in order to conduct flight tests of the rocket it will take at least 10 launches.
RSC Energia has completed work on the creation of a new spacecraft
"Soyuz-TM"
RSC Energia has been working on the creation of a new manned ship since 2000. In 2004, the corporation presented projects and its first prototypes of the Clipper rocket-plane, which was a smaller version of the Buran and was able to land on airfields. But already in 2006, it was decided to abandon this project. In 2009, RSC Energia won a new competition, presenting a new family of universal modular ships of the PTSV project to the public.

The outline design for this project was completed in June of 2010, and in 2011, viewers of MAKS-2011 could see the full-size mockup of the new spacecraft. The system consisted of a basic manned spacecraft, as well as a number of modifications made on its basis. The base is the version of the manned transport ship of the new generation (PTK NP). Its main purpose is the maintenance of orbital stations - the delivery of cargo to them, crews, their return to Earth. In addition, this unit can be used as a rescue ship.

The maximum number of crews of the new ship should be 6 people (when flying to the Moon decreases to 4 people). In November 2011, RSC Energia’s Chief Executive Officer, Vitaly Lopota, said that in the new spacecraft the cosmonauts would feel more comfortable than in modern Boeing aircraft. According to the creators of the PPTS (Perspective Manned Transport System), it will be able to deliver cargo weighing up to 500 kg into orbit, the mass of the cargo returned to Earth is the same 500 kg. However, if the device is used as a “truck” and does not deliver people into orbit, the mass of the delivered cargo increases to 2 000 kg.
PPTS

PPTS modifications will be able to solve various specialized tasks, among which are repair and maintenance of satellites located in near-earth orbits, flights to the Moon, long-term (up to 1 month) autonomous flights in order to conduct various experiments and studies. As well as delivery to orbit and return to Earth of cargo in unmanned cargo-return version.

For the new ship, the modular construction of the base ship in the form of 2-x of the main functionally completed elements - the return vehicle (VA) and the engine compartment (TO) was adopted. A crew of up to 6 people can comfortably be accommodated in the return vehicle. With this crew size, the ship will be able to deliver and pick up loads of up to 500 kg from orbit. The maximum diameter of the return vehicle is 4,4 meters, which is 2 times the diameter used by Soyuz-TMA ships used today. Form BA was chosen taking into account the conditions that allow for improved aerodynamic performance during the performance of the necessary maneuvers. This is very important in terms of bringing PTSV to Russian landing sites.

The use of Russian landfills for planting apparatus requires increased landing accuracy, since there are not so many suitable open spaces in Russia located to the south of the 51,6 latitude degree that would meet all the necessary requirements (nature of soils, topography, restrictions on wind strength, the absence constructions, etc.). It is for this reason that the main differences between the NTC NP and the operated “Soyuz TMA” are in the applied landing system, which, without any exaggeration, can be safely described as unique.

In order to improve the accuracy of the landing apparatus, it was decided to abandon the parachute system, which is subject to wind drift. It is assumed that the VA will go completely to the jet system. "Extinguish" the rate of decline is planned with the help of solid-fuel rocket engines, starting from a height of about 1 000 meters. Landing will be carried out on special depreciated support. At the expense of such a solution, the typical VA “Soyuz” drop on its side after the apparatus touches the ground is excluded. The practical implementation of a “soft” vertical jet landing in a planned area of ​​limited size will allow you to use VA at least 10 times. In addition, the experience of these landings can be used to create specialized lunar and Martian landing modules.
PPTS

The new spacecraft is made wingless, its aircraft has a truncated conical shape in the upper part and a disposable aggregate motor compartment in the lower part. It is assumed that it will widely use the systems that RSC Energia has designed for the Clipper ship. The length of the ship is 6,1 m., The case diameter is 4,4 m., The mass when performing orbital near-earth flights is 12 t. (When performing flights near the moon orbit, the mass comes to 16,5 t.) - 4,23 t.). The volume of the sealed compartment of the ship - 7,77 cube. It is assumed that materials based on aluminum alloys used in the construction of the apparatus, which have improved strength characteristics and carbon plastics, will reduce the weight of the ship's VA structure by 18-20% and also extend its service life. It is assumed that the new materials and solutions worked out at the PSTS in the future can be used to create new interplanetary ships and automatic spacecraft.

A month ago, it was reported that experienced astronauts would carry out the first flight at the PTK NP, however, according to pilot cosmonaut Sergey Krikalev, the head of the Cosmonaut Training Center (CPC) will begin the preparation for this work only when ". Prior to this, according to him, it is planned to carry out the next stage of modernization of the Soyuz spacecraft (the so-called “Soyuz MS project”), where they are going to try out a number of systems that later will also be used in the PTK NP.

According to Krikalev, the creators of the draft design of the new spacecraft appealed to astronauts for help and listened to their wishes. For example, astronauts were in favor of an increase in habitable volume in comparison with the existing "Unions". They also talked about the ability to control the crew of the ship 1-2. It also raised the question of whether there should be a domestic compartment on the ship or not. It was decided that there was no need for such a compartment when performing short orbital flights.
ISS

At the same time, a number of experts refer to the new spacecraft rather skeptical. So a corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics. Tsiolkovsky Yuri Karash, in response to a request from the Vzglyad newspaper, to comment on this news, noted that the model that was shown in 2011 was nothing more than a “beautiful attraction”. According to him, in this work more design solutions than engineering and design. He also wondered where the astronauts were going to fly on the Soyuz successor, while the ISS would be de-orbited.

Yury Karash noted that “there is no sense to make another near-earth station”. “What will Russia do with a similar ship?” The United States will already have its own transport ships ready, the Europeans closely cooperate with the United States, and China also has its own ship. India is also under development. At the same time, it is possible to fly to the ISS on the old "Soyuz", said Yuri Karash in an interview with the newspaper "Vzglyad".

At the same time, in the leadership of the Russian space industry, the ISS are not ready to write off. For example, Lopota, during his communication with journalists, noted that the Russian segment of the ISS will grow due to 3-s of new modules. By the end of 2013, the multifunctional laboratory module is planned to be launched into space, the assembly of which is currently coming to an end. It is reported that inside this module will be 14, and outside 13 universal jobs. In addition, the ISS is planned to be expanded with a universal module, “which will be the base for the development of the Russian station segment”. It is planned to launch into space in the 2016 year. In addition, in the 2016-2017 year it is planned to form another scientific and energy module, which will be the first Russian.

Information sources:
-http: //www.vz.ru/society/2012/12/26/613858.print.html
-http: //www.energia.ru/rus/news/news-2009/public_08.html
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki
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  1. patriot2
    +12
    2 January 2013 11: 34
    Moving forward is better than trampling in one place. In the foreseeable future, I would like to see such a spacecraft in action.
    1. Pablo
      +15
      2 January 2013 16: 05
      DESIGNERS SHOULD READ MORE FANTASY TO CREATE FANTASTIC PROJECTS, AND FORGOT THE EXPRESSION - "IT'S IMPOSSIBLE"
      "DREAMERS - MOVE PROGRESS"
      1. 0
        3 January 2013 11: 57
        Pablo,
        CONSTRUCTORS NEED MORE FANTASTIC TO READ TO CREATE FANTASTIC PROJECTS


        That's for sure! Already there are many developments of antigravity with new types of energy. We need to allocate funds for testing and we need a new Korolev: bold and open to innovation.
      2. +1
        3 January 2013 18: 20
        Quote: Pablo
        "DREAMERS - MOVE PROGRESS"


        DREAMERS DO NOT MOVE ANYTHING. THE PROGRESS IS MOVED BY LENTY WORKERS, TENDING TO MAKE THEIR WORK EFFECTIVE.
  2. Kaa
    +26
    2 January 2013 11: 42
    And where are the developments in aerospace systems, where are the heirs of "Spiral" and all the works of Lozino-Lozinsky? And the X-47 flies ... with incomprehensible targets. And then another "cosmeticized" ballistic blank in orbit. Where is the unpredictability of maneuver, "air launch", etc.? Of course, "in the absence of a stamp, they write in simple", BUT ... No.
    1. avt
      +2
      3 January 2013 17: 08
      Kaa ----- Here, I saw these pictures, though without women, as a young specialist, when I came to the design bureau after graduation. What is the novelty and progress? It would really be better if "Spiral" with "Laptem" was reanimated and it would look nobler sad .And on he-47 I will tell Yankes "BOR" was merged, and they bring it further! am So far, while the friend of the Russian cosmos, they beat each other with bottles on the head because of __ people am
  3. +7
    2 January 2013 11: 45
    Spaceships become obsolete both morally and physically, science does not stand still. Therefore, new ships must be built and they will always find a deal!
  4. anchonsha
    +4
    2 January 2013 11: 50
    Nevertheless, I would like to see Russia’s new spaceship faster. And criticism must also take place, otherwise there will be no real breakthrough in rocket science. It remains only to wish good luck to the designers !!!
  5. in reserve
    +11
    2 January 2013 12: 35
    Yury Karash noted that “there is no sense to make another near-earth station”. “What will Russia do with a similar ship?” The United States will already have its own transport ships ready, the Europeans closely cooperate with the United States, and China also has its own ship. India is also under development. At the same time, it is possible to fly to the ISS on the old "Soyuz", said Yuri Karash in an interview with the newspaper "Vzglyad".


    In his opinion, one must lie down and die. This station will work out its term; it is necessary to build a new, more modern one. They will fly on it.
    1. postman
      0
      2 January 2013 21: 36
      Quote: in stock
      need to build a new more modern. They will fly on it.

      Unfortunately, neither in "On the state program of the Russian Federation" Space activities of Russia for 2013–2020 "/ order of December 28, 2012 No. 2594-r D, A. Medvedev /
      nor in "Prospects for Russian space activities until 2030" / approved by the PKA board, developed by Yu.N. Koptev, March 6, 2012 /

      this is not mentioned ....

      Consideration of issues the feasibility of extending the operation of the ISS for the period after 2020 or completing the operation of the ISS RS and preparing for the disposal of the station in conjunction with international cooperation under the ISS program;
  6. +11
    2 January 2013 13: 37
    As they say, the mountain gave birth to a mouse. This pepelats looks like the American Geminis of the 60s. Having groundwork on "Spiral" and it is not known why the ruined "Clipper", they built a canning tank with a high-tech coating. There is a feeling that our industry is terrified of making really worthwhile revolutionary developments.



    Another option smile
    1. Karish
      +8
      2 January 2013 13: 45
      Quote: Grenader
      This pepelats looks like the American Geminis of the 60s.

      The shape is generally dictated by aerodynamics, so the similarity of Shuttles and Buran, Gemini and Russia-m. The main thing is that inside.
      Those. designing is just the beginning of the project, in general it is believed that this model of the device has been released now, with one goal - somehow rehab for all the scandals and billions spent somewhere, but the point is that if everything goes well then it’s all the same before The crew will not fly on it for 8-10 years.
      By this time, I don’t even want to think where the States will go. Their X-47 flew more than a year in the autonomous region, with a change in orbits and automatic landing. Ordinary trucks (and soon manned missiles of the Soyuz type) are created and launched simply by private firms. Moreover, as you know, the risk of the state losing money in general is reduced to zero.
      Entrusting the routine to private traders (and Roscosmos, crew delivery), NASA concentrated on something radically new and today secret. I'm afraid in 5-7 years, NASA will show something that is not only in Roskosmos but in the whole world will be just a shock.
      1. Kaa
        +1
        2 January 2013 14: 37
        Quote: Karish
        I'm afraid after 5-7 years, NASA will show something

        Do not be afraid, "abroad will help you" ... laughing
        1. +4
          2 January 2013 16: 34
          Russian intelligence never sleeps.
          All we need is a hundred - we will have it. \ and note: sleeping is much cheaper than developing. Let them work.
      2. postman
        0
        2 January 2013 18: 27
        Quote: Karish
        Gemini and Rus-m

        well, jameni and rus-m: these are completely different things (sa and pH)
        By the way, for sa (such a concept) aerodynamics does not matter, because he is unable to maneuver. The best (in terms of heat sink braking) would be a sphere, anyway.

        Quote: Karish
        secret today.

        But why? all at: http: //www.nasa.gov/
        NASA has no secret funding items
        1. 0
          3 January 2013 14: 47
          Learn materiel and do not be silly. The best form in terms of braking will ALWAYS be a flat body. What we observe in this case and what we observed at the Soyuz, Gemini, etc.



          Unless you guessed that the SA will not fly forward with a cone smile ... The figure shows a diagram of the "Union". Among other things, this shape gives the CA a small aerodynamic quality, which allows the overload to be reduced to an acceptable level.
      3. +2
        2 January 2013 19: 56
        Yes, I am also inclined to the idea that they are not easy with their challengers and discovery covered! There will be a surprise!
        Same as in aviation. Time! and here you have the stealth plane! And with him, technology and other related trends with new requirements and rules in the aircraft industry.
        Ours needs to develop something the same - 2 steps forward! Otherwise it will be like with aviation! crying
        1. 0
          3 January 2013 18: 31
          Piligrim,

          We are still interesting people, we admire the unknown "secret" developments of the Americans and, at the same time, demand to put on a silver platter all the promising developments of our VKK. Did you know a lot about the same spiral before you closed it?
    2. Van
      +3
      2 January 2013 13: 58
      Quote: Grenader
      There is a feeling that our industry is panicky afraid to make really worthwhile revolutionary developments.

      Most likely they’re not afraid, but there is simply no one to do, enthusiasts are not enough now ... lol
      Remember why the "Spiral" program was curtailed, we will not be engaged in fantasies, something like this, which is a pity, because fantasies also drive science, well, but for some reason we cannot fantasize anything other than an ax and a crowbar, I wonder why ...? request
    3. +1
      3 January 2013 13: 36
      "Really worthwhile" imply purpose and responsibility. With hidden goals (for some reason, "this" has been done) to bear responsibility - there are no volunteers (idiots). We'll have to feed someone else's industry.
  7. +1
    2 January 2013 13: 47
    The Soyuz program was extended until 2015. And what will fly until 2017? And it looks like the carrier remains old - only the 3rd stage, the manned module itself, is changed.
  8. Andof odessa
    +3
    2 January 2013 13: 54
    Happy New Year everyone!!!
    Russia needs a new spaceship!
    Oh sorry we never see ukrainian or belarusian spaceship recourse
    1. +4
      2 January 2013 16: 35
      You know, when the USSR was, all the ships were also Belarusian and Ukrainian.
      I hope - and there will be more.
    2. 0
      3 January 2013 00: 22
      perhaps it will be Ukrainian-Brazilian ... Under the allied lunar program, the ship to the moon was designed by Yuzhmash, and the workings were transferred to China. For me, the Energy is pretty. they oversee the Sea Launch with our Zenith, and lobby for a new heavy rocket with Zeniths as accelerators, such as the old Energy.
  9. +6
    2 January 2013 14: 10
    Surprising development timelines.
    The resolution of the Central Committee and SovMin on the creation of the R-7 came out in 1954, and after 3 years the first rocket was already on the launch pad. But then there was no experience of testing space rockets at all.
    Has something changed in nature in 50 years? Is aerodynamics different? Everything is forgotten and you need to do everything from scratch ???
    1. Cheloveck
      0
      5 January 2013 00: 16
      Then the budget was not cut.
      And industry flourished.
      And now .... eh ....
  10. +2
    2 January 2013 14: 41
    Well, there were fires and a presentation, well, not a car from the assembly line in the end. No, well, against girls ... beauties, of course, BUT WHY ??? Correctly said-ATTRACTION. I'm afraid our entire space program is nothing more than an attraction, you want , we can fly to Ganymede ... but why, maybe we will fly. And this, perhaps, sits in the heads of our heads, but with NASA everything is extremely simple: the Moon, an asteroid, Mars. And Orion is already The parachute landing system is working out, and we are again in the role of catch-up. The news is certainly good, but bad thoughts torment me - as long as the intelligence THERE does not steal the technical documentation, they can not do anything worthy HERE, because the MAIN only have a great tyrit in their own country.
  11. 0
    2 January 2013 15: 00
    Finally!
    Unions, of course, are reliable, but it is yesterday.
    Need new satellites.
    I hope the build quality and components will be at a high level.
  12. +8
    2 January 2013 15: 28
    Here, space lovers. It’s nice to share a scale model of the universe
    1. 0
      2 January 2013 16: 30
      Well, suppose I am not a lover of space, but even I know that this is not a model of the Universe. This is a scale model of the solar system.
      Thanks in general. Very clear.
      1. Kaa
        +3
        2 January 2013 17: 48
        Quote: homosum20
        This is a scale model of the solar system.

        With Sirius, Rigel, Alpha Cassiopeia and more? Mmmm yes, it feels winked
        Quote: homosum20
        I'm not a space lover
        1. 0
          2 January 2013 17: 52
          Wise KAA drinks So, with small steps, and visual aids, we will begin to enlighten our people
      2. 0
        2 January 2013 20: 00
        That you lieutenant colonel got excited !!!
        It’s better to remain silent if you don’t get it!
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      +2
      3 January 2013 11: 23
      Thunderbolt, link please.

      Korolev was the commander in chief of the production and scientific complex of the whole country! (do not forget about it) A huge number of unfinished unfinished, abandoned realizations of thought. etc.

      And now: 1. The "army" has been significantly reduced. 2. In the "army" the basic principle is to "grab". etc.
      And in space - the main principle: reliability! This is not even a principle, but an adamant LAW! And what reliability in the "mess"!
      Glory to our cosmonautics for surviving!

      If you lay for six months - a month learning to walk again!
      If you stopped the SCIENTIFIC process - years, decades, and even centuries!

      It’s good not to forget!
  13. +1
    2 January 2013 16: 19
    Enough to blame everything on aerodynamics. 50 years ago, aerodynamics were also, however, the East, Sunrises, etc. were spherical, and Gemini cone-shaped. Some landed, while others splashed down.
  14. +3
    2 January 2013 16: 28
    A bicycle either rides or falls. Apparently Yuri Karash went so deep into administrative activities that he forgot the simplest laws of physics. In addition, Europeans, Americans, Chinese are making new ships. What are we, on theirs fly. And the study of space, without people anyway will not do. A stationary station with permanently operating equipment is both economically and psychologically better than jumps into orbit and back of the entire weight of the equipment. You can certainly keep the equipment in orbit - but this will be the station.
    But that's not what I mean. Here's what I wanted to say: before, when reading our (Russian) articles and with the words "will," it is assumed, "etc. I was always a little annoyed - you, s..and, do it first, then brag about it. I did not believe who wrote the articles.
    Today I caught myself thinking that I believe the authors - this ship will be.
  15. +2
    2 January 2013 17: 07
    ... it was decided to abandon the parachute system ... It is assumed that the VA will go completely to the jet system. It is planned to “quench” the rate of decline with the help of solid rocket engines starting from a height of about 1 meters. Landing will be carried out on special shock-absorbed supports ...
    I wonder what will be the rate of descent by 1 meters and what overloads will the crew be exposed to when this speed is "damped" for the remaining kilometer? what
    1. 0
      3 January 2013 15: 03
      So after all, the parachute was not opened in the upper layers, but at an altitude of about 5 km, before that the speed was reduced due to friction. And the lower, the SA slowed down more. At the calculated height, the speed was about 100-150 m / s. The paratrooper drops at a speed of ~ 50 m / s. And when Ut-800, for example, is revealed at an altitude of 1000-15 m, then it is such a blow that the bruises from the leg girths remain. But he is revealed almost instantly. In this case, the landing engine will run all this 1000 meters. So, I think, the cosmonauts are not in danger of special overloads.
  16. rate
    0
    2 January 2013 17: 17
    Pablo,
    Of course. Who believed Korolev.
  17. Skinny
    0
    2 January 2013 17: 22
    I answer Cosmonautics will be vital in 50-80 years.
    When the Earth finally goes to sleep and when the number reaches 12 billion, then you have to colonize other planets and then the one who has the most reliable spacecraft will win. It is important not to miss now.
    1. +3
      3 January 2013 04: 51
      Exactly, we’ll take out half (from 12bn) with six-seater ships ... laughing
  18. sxn278619
    -1
    2 January 2013 18: 43
    The manned space program must be closed before the end of the crisis (10-20 years), and all the money should be used to create a normal satellite constellation.
    It is obvious.
    1. +1
      3 January 2013 04: 52
      Exactly, and generally collapse everything that does not give the bugs ... laughing
  19. postman
    +2
    2 January 2013 18: 56
    The ship itself will be without aerodynamic surfaces, with a reusable returnable part and a disposable aggregate-engine compartment below. The maximum crew of the new ship will be 6 people (when flying to the moon - up to 4 people)

    The number of the crew and the useful volume of the capsule suggests that the lunar program of the Russian Federation is "starting to stir."


    Will widely use the systems designed at RSC Energia for Clipper.



    that's just the chosen landing system is somewhat confusing:
    1. +1
      3 January 2013 04: 55
      Quote: Postman
      that's just the chosen landing system is somewhat confusing:

      ... there is no atmosphere on the moon ... I'm talking about parachutes bully
  20. 0
    2 January 2013 20: 24
    In 2004, the corporation presented projects and its first prototypes of the Clipper rocket plan, which was a smaller version of the Buran ship and was capable of landing at airfields. But already in 2006, it was decided to abandon this project.


    Why did they abandon the Clipper? For a long time it seems to me that these were narrow-departmental Games with an attempt to crush funding for themselves. But the young designers did their best!
    1. Uncle Vasya
      +3
      2 January 2013 20: 56
      Clipper-class ships with air support draft in airspace do not allow working out technological solutions for landing in an airless environment, everything is correct, let them work on a system that will be useful on Mars. In addition, the Shuttle showed some vulnerability of these devices.
      1. 0
        2 January 2013 21: 45
        Thanks for the enlightenment!
      2. postman
        +1
        2 January 2013 22: 53
        Quote: Uncle Vasya
        Clipper-class ships with air draft in the airspace do not allow

        Nonsense. I will disappoint you. PTTC will not be able to land on an airless planet / satellite. The power (thrust / pulse impulse) of the brake module is not enough to extinguish even the first space, WITHOUT AVERAGE DYNAMIC BRAKING.

        Only ECONOMY (no money) and EFFICIENCY (economic): no such number of launches is expected that would bring a reusable system to a reasonable payback.
        1. 0
          3 January 2013 00: 29
          Quote: Postman
          Nonsense. I will disappoint you. PTTC will not be able to land on an airless planet / satellite. The power (thrust / pulse impulse) of the brake module is not enough to extinguish even the first space, WITHOUT AVERAGE DYNAMIC BRAKING.

          But how did they land on the moon (I mean unmanned vehicles wink ) There is no atmosphere on it and just sat down at SECOND SPACE speed smile
          1. postman
            0
            3 January 2013 15: 50
            Quote: Locksmith
            But how did the sat on the moon apparatus

            I am specifically ABOUT THIS PPTK, with its remote control of braking and soft landing.
            And not in general about the "impossibility" of this.
            Take a look at our lunar module or LEM Americans.
            1. 0
              4 January 2013 18: 52
              You cannot attach additional brake engines to the aircraft apparatus. In the sense, it will be such a task that it’s better not to bother. And specifically this one asks for a platform with additional engines. Synchronized systems and all ...
  21. Uncle Vasya
    +2
    2 January 2013 20: 59
    In addition, such systems will allow it to be used in the future for the airborne forces, you can imagine an accelerated landing of manpower and equipment at a speed greater than the speed of free fall, without parachute systems, with smooth braking at the surface, it is clear that this will reduce the chances of hitting attack means at the time of landing .
    1. 0
      2 January 2013 21: 50
      Well, this is still a question of the distant future. In general, it's interesting how this "grasshopper" will behave in practice?
      And the mock tests of such a design were either this is still a design option or, even worse, just an idea like "let's try!" ?
    2. postman
      -2
      2 January 2013 22: 56
      Quote: Uncle Vasya
      In addition, such systems will make it possible in the future to apply it to the Airborne Forces,

      Yeah .. THE WHOLE 6 (!) Paratroopers with a fireball (which can be seen with an unarmed gaze, lands on the territory of the USA or England.
      Abruptly
      и
      Quote: Uncle Vasya
      equipment at a speed greater than the speed of free fall
      : folding bike for example, or rollers .....

      And the cost of such a "casting" RDG, somewhere around $ 200.
      Effectively, you will not say anything
      1. avt
        0
        3 January 2013 14: 53
        Postman ___ From an adjacent area about money. when the wives of pilots and techies MIG 25, {the underground name of GASTRONOM because of the amount of alcohol on board in the systems} complained already to the Central Committee about Mikoyan, they say men are drinking, Gen. The designer replied that if the Motherland would need to fill in French cognac on board! In my own words, but a historical fact! laughing
        1. postman
          +1
          3 January 2013 15: 57
          Quote: avt
          replied that if the motherland is required we will put French cognac on board!

          The motherland now considers money no worse than an auditor.
          Otherwise, we would have seen a different dynamics of the arrival of weapons in the armed forces and the space program was completely different
          1. Cheloveck
            0
            5 January 2013 00: 21
            Quote: Postman
            The motherland now considers money no worse than an auditor.

            In which place?
    3. avt
      0
      3 January 2013 14: 32
      Uncle Vasya! What a future! what are you dreaming about, in the context of landing, Chelomei suggested hell knows how many years ago, when he did 500, which Proton, exactly with such a pepelats, which is declared a breakthrough of thought, in the variant of splashdown with a fence of saboteurs, sorry astronauts, on submarines. Only he really was not friends with the King, Geniuses didn’t fit in the same den, and Ustinov gave the manned theme to the King, including Almaz Chelomeevsky, who is Salyut. Well, with time, both Geniuses and not only them, have Popovkin and his comrades been eating up the remnants of their thoughts, or who is watching them?
  22. +1
    2 January 2013 22: 52
    Is it good or bad, is it necessary now or is not needed - all this reasoning is not for the future. Let now such projects are expensive and costly, BUT .....
    In my deep conviction, the world will be ruled by the powers that first become permanent entrants in outer space, and the rest will only be the role of gardeners, because they will not be able to oppose the space that was developed for its development with technologies and knowledge, resources (and much more about what we now we don’t even suspect ...) received from space.
    This is the right thing, just do not ruin everything in the bud !!!
  23. 916-th
    0
    2 January 2013 23: 12
    In order to avoid possible confusion, I remind you that the new spacecraft discussed in the article and the mentioned transport rocket-space system Rus-M are still different things - Rus-M is a launch vehicle, and the ship can be useful load, and far from the only one.

    True, now forces and means are being scattered on the creation of practically the same type of transport systems - "Rus-M" and "Angara".

    Rus-M:
    1. 0
      3 January 2013 00: 25
      Duc Russia covered the campaign.
    2. 0
      3 January 2013 00: 26
      Quote: 916
      practically the same type of transport systems - "Rus-M" and "Angara".

      They are completely different, Russia is for manned, the hangar is cargo, it is difficult to ensure the safety of astronauts on it, Russia is also more powerful.
    3. postman
      0
      3 January 2013 00: 32
      Quote: 916
      scattered on the creation of practically the same type of transport systems - "Rus-M" and "Angara".

      The "Angara" launch vehicle is not intended (and will not be certified) for launching manned vehicles (because the Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center)
  24. 0
    2 January 2013 23: 27
    Moving forward is progress. Unfortunately, our space science and industry has suffered no less than all other industries. But today we are going forward, I hope they will deal with the cosmic arduous ones to the end, and then, God forbid, normal work. We make sure that Russia can work miracles.
  25. 916-th
    0
    2 January 2013 23: 29
    In continuation:
    The Angara launch vehicle is being developed by RSC Energia's rivals - the State Space Research and Production Center named after Khrunichev. It is clear that both systems will not be "adopted", most likely they will make a decision in favor of "Angara", it has more reusable elements. In this case, the new RSC Energia spacecraft mentioned in the article will remain without a carrier ...

    "Angara" launch vehicle:
    1. 0
      3 January 2013 00: 37
      Quote: 916
      RSC Energia's new spacecraft will remain without a carrier

      It won’t remain, the Angara is not suitable for manned launches, it cannot ensure the safety of astronauts in the launch corridor, they wrote about it like on Freinfrm, there is some kind of trick with the second stage like, it was originally designed as a cargo, this is progress version No. 2 for essence. They’ll come up with something.
      1. 0
        3 January 2013 05: 11
        Quote: Locksmith
        The hangar is not suitable for manned launches

        Quote: Locksmith
        Well this is progress version No. 2 in fact

        I won't tell you the secret that Progress is being launched by the same missile as the Soyuz?
        1. +1
          3 January 2013 12: 09
          Quote: El13
          I won't tell you the secret that Progress is being launched by the same missile as the Soyuz?

          yeah, it was definitely sealed up wink I meant the cargo version, the hell knows what they are called the proton probably.
  26. 0
    3 January 2013 00: 03
    Not a clipper, but at least some movement ...
    1. 0
      3 January 2013 00: 28
      a little off topic, but I don’t understand too much why, having such strong space KBs, they don’t want to make a commercial space suborbital shuttle? That would have raised the dough!
      1. avt
        +3
        3 January 2013 17: 26
        Aeneas, dear! Nobody in the WORLD has been able to abolish the concepts of "School" and "Adherence"! There are few old people, someone else remembers something, but cannot do it, but young people may want to, but they don’t know how! The bastards knocked out the succession of generations in the 90s, those who were then between 25 and 50, were driven into the markets to sell Chinese cowards, so they interrupted the chain of generational change am
        1. 0
          3 January 2013 18: 33
          Quote: avt
          They knocked out the bastards the succession of generations in the 90s, those who were then 25 or so 50, drove to the markets to sell Chinese underpants, and they broke the generation chain am

          And now, the Pupkins with drunk faces, like a ball in space, steer until they go along the path beaten by a stool, nor the hell of a positive, okrom okubok pictures published in the article will not, and you and I, in the hope that that's all is done, we will build our fantastic projects on the forum. Sorry, of course, fellow citizens, but I did not find anything good in this information, although I did not put any minuses, but there is nothing to put a plus in.
          1. 0
            3 January 2013 22: 51
            Quote: cherkas.oe
            Sorry, of course, fellow citizens, but I did not find anything good in this information, although I did not put any minuses, but there is nothing to put a plus in.

            But this is in vain, industry is slowly rising, not all at once wink
        2. 0
          3 January 2013 22: 50
          Quote: avt
          They knocked out the bastards the succession of generations in the 90s,

          it seems that not everything is lost, the youth went, though very slowly.
      2. 0
        3 January 2013 22: 55
        Quote: Aeneas
        don't want to make a commercial space suborbital shuttle?

        So they want it, but without a main customer it’s hard, the amount of financing is just gigantic — it’s a lot of production that needs to be raised, the devastation was the hardest, no worse than 45, and even harder. The current state is somehow uncertainly aware of what it needs, but it seems laughing
  27. 0
    3 January 2013 17: 58
    Content article about PPTS!
  28. Mgydvin
    0
    3 January 2013 21: 48
    http://dd.dynamicdiagrams.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/orrery_2006.swf Будущая карта России... soldier
  29. zs23wesdgggg
    0
    4 January 2013 02: 45
    It just can't be !!! The FSB has created this http://2qu.ru/poisksng database about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. Really was really scared
    there are a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug up this. In general, there are good sides - this
    Information can be deleted from the site.
    I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...

    It just can't be !!! The FSB has created this http://2qu.ru/poisksng database about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. Really was really scared
    there are a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug up this. In general, there are good sides - this
    Information can be deleted from the site.
    I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...
  30. sad32wqesadf
    0
    5 January 2013 11: 26
    It just can't be !!! The FSB has created this http://zipurl.ws/sngbaza database about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. Really was really scared
    there are a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug up this. In general, there are good sides - this
    Information can be deleted from the site.
    I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...