Guided projectiles Vulcano 155 GLR in Ukraine

Leonardo / Diehl Vulcano shells in the fighting compartment of the PzH 200 self-propelled gun. Photo Telegram / BMPD

According to recent reports, Ukrainian artillery now has 155-mm Vulcano 155 GLR guided artillery shells at its disposal. Ammunition jointly produced by Germany and Italy was promised to the Kyiv regime long ago, but was only provided now. Now recipients expect that such products will increase the effectiveness of their guns and the performance of artillery in general.

Announcement and delivery

More than a year ago, on August 17, 2022, the German government published another updated version of the list of weapons, equipment and other property transferred to Ukraine as military assistance. At that time, Vulcano guided artillery shells were included for the first time in the list of products delivered or being prepared for shipment.

It was reported that only 255 of these products, modified for 155 mm guns, would be shipped to the Kyiv regime. For their use, 10 laser target designators and portable fire control modules were added to the assistance package. Unlike other ammunition, Vulcano shells were not planned to be taken from Bundeswehr warehouses. They were to be manufactured under a separate contract, paid for by the German government.

Preparation and signing of the contract, as well as the production of the ordered shells should have taken some time. At the same time, the German government last year did not even give approximate delivery dates for guided missiles. Moreover, for a long time, Vulcano products were not mentioned at all in new official communications and statements.

Nevertheless, the contract was signed and fulfilled, and the Kiev regime received at least part of the promised shells. There are already reports of their appearance in the combat zone and the first cases of combat use. This information is at least indirectly confirmed by a recently published video.

Placing the projectile in the rammer tray. Photo Telegram / BMPD

Projectile and gun

A few days ago, in mid-September, a short video appeared on Ukrainian resources showing the work of the crew of the PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzer. Where and when the video was filmed is unknown, and there are no signs in it to determine this. It is possible that the video was already filmed in Ukraine, but it cannot be ruled out that the shootings shown were carried out in Germany as part of the training of Ukrainian artillerymen.

The work of the loader was caught in the frame. He had previously placed two shells of a recognizable type on the floor of the fighting compartment next to the breech of the gun. Then, using a tray with a dispensing mechanism, he loaded one of the ammunition into the chamber and sent behind it a propellant charge in a burning cartridge case. Having completed his preparations, the artilleryman fired.

The shells used in this shooting have a characteristic appearance, and they can easily be identified as an imported Vulcano 155 product. It is quite possible that the ammunition shown has already been used in a combat zone, moreover, to fire at civilian targets in populated areas, as Ukrainian militants often do .

All details of the completed delivery, deployment and application remain unknown. However, it is clear that another foreign product has appeared or will soon appear in the Special Operation zone, threatening the population and infrastructure of new regions, as well as our troops. This threat requires appropriate attention and response - and will certainly receive it.

Promising ammunition

The 155-mm Vulcano guided artillery projectile is part of the family of ammunition of the same name, developed since the early 155s by the Italian company Leonardo together with the German Diehl Defense. As part of the Vulcano project, they created several unified guided munitions for field and naval guns of various calibers. The largest is the Vulcano XNUMX for land howitzers.

Vulcano 155 projectile in flight configuration. Leonardo Graphics

Development and testing of the Vulcano family was completed at the end of the last decade. The Vulcano 155 GLR ammunition was the first to go into production. Since 2021, Leonardo has been supplying such shells to the armed forces of Italy and Qatar. Now another batch of 255 shells and related equipment has been sent to Ukraine.

Germany has formally accepted the 155-mm projectile into service, but is in no hurry to purchase it. The fact is that the Bundeswehr is going to purchase GLR/SAR modification shells with a combined control system. Since last year, tests of such products have been carried out, and mass production will begin only in 2025. At the same time, Germany is going to place its first order.

Unified designs

At the moment, the Vulcano family includes three unified projectiles used in guns of 76, 127 and 155 mm calibers. The first two calibers provide for the production of unitary ammunition and are intended for naval artillery. 155mm split-loading rounds must be used on land.

Vulcano 155 projectiles of all modifications have a unified elongated cylindrical body with a conical head fairing and tail stabilizer. The maximum diameter (by stabilizer) is less than 155 mm. The length of the product does not differ from existing shells of this caliber. As part of the shot, the Vulcano projectile is used with a resettable leading device. On its head there is a characteristic fairing-cover with several metal rings; behind it is a coil-shaped device that is placed directly into the sleeve.

The simplest version of the Vulcano is designated BER (Ballistic Extended Range). This is an unguided projectile with a programmable fuse. When using a 155-mm gun with a barrel length of 39 klb, the firing range of such a projectile reaches 36 km, when using a 52-mm gun - 50 km. Detonation is carried out at a given height, upon impact or with a delay. The mass of the assembled projectile and its warhead is not specified.

Vulcan 155 version GLR/SAL. Photo by Leonardo

The Vulcano 155 GLR (Guided Long Range) type ammunition is distinguished by improved flight performance and the presence of a control system. The maximum firing range of a 52 klb long gun is stated to be 70 km. Guidance is carried out through inertial and satellite navigation; CEP – 5 m. The electronics of the projectile calculates the trajectory and generates commands for the rudders located near the head fairing. The projectile uses a programmable radio fuse.

The GLR/SAL (Semi-Active Laser) projectile is at the testing and development stage. It retains the navigation aids of the GLR product, and also receives a semi-active laser seeker. Due to the latter, it is planned to improve the accuracy of fire, as well as to ensure shooting at moving targets - in the presence of illumination.

To work with the guidance system and fuse, there is a special device installed on the self-propelled gun or carried by the gun crew in a bag. Data entry is carried out by contact method: the programmer is placed on the rings of the projectile fairing being dropped.

Countermeasures

It is obvious that a guided projectile can improve the combat qualities of enemy artillery - and therefore such a threat must be dealt with. In general, the methods of fighting the German-Italian Vulcanos are clear, and the Russian army has the necessary means. If they are used correctly, Ukrainian artillery will not be able to realize all the advantages of imported projectiles.

The key way to combat Vulcano products and enemy artillery in general is to identify and destroy ammunition depots. In addition, it is necessary to continue counter-battery warfare, as well as identify parking areas, maintenance areas, etc. enemy artillery. The destruction of guns/self-propelled guns and ammunition will protect our troops and civilians. At the same time, the small number of delivered 155-mm shells will in a certain way complicate the search for warehouses, but will also simplify the complete destruction of the entire batch.

Control kit: a device for calculating data, a programmer (installed on the projectile fairing) and a carrying bag. Photo by Leonardo

It should be noted that counter-battery warfare may require non-standard means. The foreign projectile flies at a range of up to 70 km, which exceeds the capabilities of our barrel systems. Therefore, Tornado-S type missiles, loitering ammunition, etc. should be used against enemy positions. However, such a reorganization of counter-battery warfare is not associated with fundamental difficulties.

The Vulcano projectile is guided along its trajectory according to inertial and satellite navigation data - like other foreign ammunition. Not long ago, problems with the use of American missiles using the same guidance method were discussed in the foreign press. Russian electronic warfare systems have been reported to jam satellite signals and dramatically degrade missile accuracy or even disrupt an attack. Probably, the German-Italian Vulcano shells do not have increased noise immunity, and can also be suppressed by electronic warfare systems. Accordingly, one of the main advantages of the ammunition in the form of high accuracy will be neutralized.

Another weak point of the ammunition is the radio fuse. The Russian army has specialized electronic warfare systems designed specifically to suppress such devices. For example, the Rtut-2M complex is capable of detecting the operating frequencies of fuses and sending them a false signal, causing premature operation at high altitudes.

Threat and response

Thus, a foreign state once again transferred modern ammunition with characteristic advantages and capabilities to the Kyiv regime. At the same time, we have limited ourselves to a small batch. Apparently, Germany wants to test the Vulcano 155 GLR projectile in real combat conditions, but is not going to spend excessively on such tests. However, it cannot be ruled out that new batches of such ammunition will be sent to Ukraine in the future.

Like other imported products, Vulcano poses a certain danger to the infrastructure and population of new regions - and requires appropriate attention. It is obvious that the Russian army will do everything possible to prevent the effective use of foreign shells and the destruction of important objects. At the same time, the enemy and his foreign patron partners will be able to determine the real effectiveness of their new development. They will probably be greatly disappointed.

Comments

[Sergei N 58912062]

First of all, it is necessary to block the delivery routes for Western weapons to Ukraine.

[Stas157]

Quote: Sergei N 58912062

block the delivery routes for Western weapons

When developing a special operation, this should have become a cornerstone task, on the solution of which the entire fate of the operation would depend.

[Vincent price]

So this is if people develop operations. And there it was like in South Park, in the episode about the stock exchange

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Stas157

this should have been a top priority

But it didn’t happen! Whose interests will this destroy?

[Romario_Argo]

In general, the topic of UAS is developing frighteningly,
All that remains is to install a 152-mm smoothbore gun on our T-72B3M, T-80BVM, T-90M, T-14 tanks
and there will be in general "imba"
Tanks will have the opportunity to fire UAS Krasnopol as well as ATGM Kornet
By the way, the Kornet 9M133FM-3 ATGM can destroy air targets at a range of 9 km, at altitudes up to 9 km, at a speed of 250 meters per second (900 km/h)
- an attack aircraft flying at an altitude of 2 km will be hit at a diagonal range of about 6 km, and helicopters will generally have a hard time

[Escariot]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: Sergei N 58912062

block the delivery routes for Western weapons

When developing a special operation, this should have become a cornerstone task, on the solution of which the entire fate of the operation would depend.

It is nonsense. The supply of weapons across the border is secondary to the combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. First of all, it was necessary to defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and only then go to the border without resistance from regular troops. But the defeat did not work out, and it was precisely because the defeat did not work out that problems arose.

[alexoff]

So they didn’t engage in destruction either. The troops rolled into Kyiv, ignoring the Ukrainian troops in the rear. There was an artillery brigade in Sumy, which probably looked at all this with great surprise. For some reason, in 2014, the green men did not break into Sevastopol and Simferopol, but blocked Ukrainian units on the peninsula

[Stas157]

Quote from Escariot

First of all, it was necessary to defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces

Without Western supplies, the Ukrainian Armed Forces would have been destroyed long ago. Or are you in doubt? The initial strike (which went through like a knife through butter) should have been aimed not at Kyiv, but at cutting off Ukraine along the Dnieper. Or better yet, to Transnistria from the north and south.

[Soldatov V.]

In principle, it is not so difficult to repeat this projectile, to make a pirate copy, so to speak, until our craftsmen come up with something of their own. It’s generally not clear that after the collapse of the USSR, anyone was seriously involved in artillery. So far everything is on the Soviet basis.

[BlackTiger74]

We have a similar projectile, called Krasnopol

[KCA]

The analogy is logical, Krasnopol requires laser illumination, but this one flies using INS and GPS and has various types of seekers and a proximity radio fuse, and the range of 29 and 70 km was somehow not close, even if you swing Krasnopol under the Coalition and shoot at 70 km, that’s what Do you need special forces to send a gunner 70 km behind enemy lines? Yes, even sending a drone for illumination is very problematic

[BlackTiger74]

Do you want to say that the skakuas are also sending someone to our rear to use JDAMS??? Or do they shoot wherever they hit??? Yes, and ours jam GPS

[KCA]

To hit a target, Krasnopol uses an IR laser mark, which must be placed by a gunner with equipment, or recently a drone, JDAM, Excalibur, Vulcano use GPS and seeker, they do not need illumination, the only plus is that Krasnopol can hit moving targets if the mark is on hold her

[bayard]

Quote: KCA

Krasnopol uses an IR laser mark, which must be placed by a gunner with equipment, or, more recently, a drone

But the laser cannot be interfered with, and the GPS navigator is interfered with very effectively.
A drone with a laser can also be interfered with by interference, but to do this it must be detected and targeted interference must be placed. And from ammunition with satellite navigation - barrage.
In addition, we also have navigators with satellite positioning/guidance; the same ones are implemented on the Geraniums. And they don’t mind the interference. So I think Krasnopol will also have such a navigator, but this is only for stationary targets. And the laser will illuminate both while moving and in case of a change of position. So both guidance systems are useful and in demand.

Quote: KCA

and the range of 29 and 70 km were somehow not close

This is how “Krasnopol-D” appeared with a much greater range. And the range depends on the artillery system. "Coalition-SV" has already gone into production, so it will be worth waiting for the troops soon (I think in the spring).
And yes, 225 high-precision shells is decent if you choose targets carefully. It remains to wish successful disorientation of our electronic warfare.

[solar]

Judging by the fact that the delivery set includes laser target designators, the seeker supplied by Vulcano is combined - satellite and with semi-active laser guidance

[BlackTiger74]

There is one question. How many times have skakuas been used, at least the same Excalibur, against our troops, and how many against civilian targets in the Donbass???

[Escariot]

Quote from BlacTiger74

Do you want to say that the skakuas are also sending someone to our rear to use JDAMS??? Or do they shoot wherever they hit??? Yes, and ours jam GPS

So they jam it like that. The accuracy is of course reduced, but not as much as we would like.

[bayard]

Quote from Escariot

The accuracy is of course reduced, but not as much as we would like.

It decreases to such an extent that the ammunition ceases to be highly accurate. And they fly “somewhere there”.

[Escariot]

Quote: bayard

Quote from Escariot

The accuracy is of course reduced, but not as much as we would like.

It decreases to such an extent that the ammunition ceases to be highly accurate. And they fly “somewhere there”.

The network is full of videos where Highmars hit almost exactly on target. And there is no need to say that electronic warfare did not “accidentally” work in this place. The enemy fired at the Antonovsky Bridge, which was strategic and should have been covered as much as possible. And even now, videos of accurate hits are not uncommon.

[BlackTiger74]

I have not yet heard of anyone learning how to intercept control of high-precision projectiles. No offense )))

[ism_ek]

Quote: KCA

and the range of 29 and 70 km were somehow not close,

Krasnopol, like a regular projectile, carries 9 kg of explosives. Here, judging by the photo, at most 2 kilograms... Miracles do not happen, the range is achieved by reducing the power of the projectile. For long distances it is better to use Tornado C or HiMars

[Dead duck]

and the ranges of 29 and 70 km were somehow not close

- the key word is “up to 70”.
and don’t forget about the “payload” and the mass of the projectile. This “dart” has a smaller mass and smaller area. Yes, and for accuracy you will still need to highlight it, otherwise the spread will still be 3-8 meters (if not more).

[Alexey RA]

Quote: KCA

Krasnopol requires laser illumination, but this one flies using INS and GPS and has various types of seekers and a non-contact radio fuse

There is a version "Krasnopol-D" - 40 km range, trajectory correction according to data from the SNS.

[alexoff]

And who will the Ukrainian Armed Forces send for guidance 70 km away? By the way, drones can fly to Dnepropetrovsk completely, without any special forces. Since the Ukrainian Armed Forces have almost no air defense left, everything was sent to several cities and a couple of airfields, but according to the glorious tradition, they don’t like to work with us for the ribbon since the summer of 2022

[Escariot]

Quote from alexoff

And who will the Ukrainian Armed Forces send for guidance 70 km away? By the way, drones can fly to Dnepropetrovsk completely, without any special forces. Since the Ukrainian Armed Forces have almost no air defense left, everything was sent to several cities and a couple of airfields, but according to the glorious tradition, they don’t like to work with us for the ribbon since the summer of 2022

That's how the drones will be sent. You remember the video of the attack on our air defense in Crimea? And there is not 70 km, but more. Yes, and no matter what, but they landed troops in Crimea. Here's the DRG in the rear.

[alexoff]

As part of special operations, explosive packages turn out to be no less dangerous than these miracles of technology. Last year, the DRG near Pskov destroyed several helicopters, and this year - a couple of transport aircraft. With leaky air defense and agents inside (Crimea is almost an island, there are no folds of terrain where you can fly quietly), the usual laws of war work crookedly.

[Andy_nsk]

In principle, it is not so difficult to repeat this projectile, to make a pirate copy, so to speak, until our craftsmen come up with something of their own.

Why do you think that repeating a product is easier than developing your own? I have extensive experience in development, I would not copy, and not at all because of copyright infringement. It's not always easier to copy. And our designers developed Krasnopol - an analogue of this projectile.
As for the area of ​​use and mass production of guided projectiles, this is for the Ministry of Defense, they form the state order. Developers and factories work under government orders, in contrast to the “craftsmen” who mainly live in industrial centers and garages.

[Soldatov V.]

Now the question is in counter-battery combat, in the range of destruction. Does Krasnopol satisfy in terms of range? And you already need a projectile with a range of over 70 km to successfully fight this Vulcano. If you don’t want to, don’t copy, but I would copy if it’s necessary for a quick victory.

[Andy_nsk]

Not an artillery specialist, but as far as I understand, the range of a projectile depends on the length of the barrel and the energy of the powder gases. Copying a foreign projectile will not increase the range. “Whether you like it or not” has nothing to do with it at all, the question is how easier it is to implement from a technical point of view.

[alexoff]

From a technical point of view, it is easier to deliver trucks with lancets to the desired area, provoke enemy artillery with your maneuvers and take it out with drones at a distance of up to 50-60 km.

[bayard]

Quote: V.

Does Krasnopol satisfy in terms of range? And you already need a projectile with a range of over 70 km to successfully fight this Vulcano.

"Coalition-SV" has already gone into production. "Krasnopol-D" appeared, which even when fired from "Msta-S\B" and "Geocint" gives a range of about 40 (Msta) - 40+ (Geocint) km. So soon everything will be equalized, and then the advantages of the “Coalition” will appear. Its range and accuracy are higher than any Western model.
And there, North Korean MLRS can make a contribution with their guided ammunition.

Quote: V.

I would copy if it is necessary for a quick victory.

I'm afraid that such a feat will not be required. And the explosives in this “Vulcano” are 2-3 times less than in the “Krasnopol” or a classic projectile. Not the right coat to copy.
The new shells produced for the Coalition-SV self-propelled guns have better aerodynamics, and together with the new Krasnopol-D, even our Mstas and Geocints are capable of putting them on par with the best NATO artillery. And the “Coalitions” themselves will provide the necessary advantage.
Yes, not immediately, but from the beginning of next year this will have an impact.

[Garris199]

Uv bayard, self-propelled guns Hyacinth was named after the flower of the same name, like other models of Soviet self-propelled guns.

[bayard]

Quote: Garris199

The Hyacinth self-propelled gun was named after the flower of the same name, like other models of Soviet self-propelled guns.

I know this, these self-propelled guns were called the flower series. I got confused, and I’m not good at botany, I didn’t double-check the text, it’s inconvenient to edit here.
And yet, the “Coalition” is already in production and deliveries to the troops are promised by the end of the year. And I assumed only by spring. So the groundwork was good in anticipation of the series.

[Escariot]

Quote: V.

Now the question is in counter-battery combat, in the range of destruction. Does Krasnopol satisfy in terms of range? And you already need a projectile with a range of over 70 km to successfully fight this Vulcano. If you don’t want to, don’t copy, but I would copy if it’s necessary for a quick victory.

You can copy only if you have a more or less similar technological base. Let's say you need a long barrel - how to copy it? We need presses for the corresponding workpiece and a machine that is capable of drilling a hole of such a large length and making cuts. Where can I get these machines, and even in commercial quantities? We need new types of gunpowder to burn smoothly - where can we get them, and even in commercial quantities. Electronics are needed to withstand overloads and, again, to be available in commercial quantities.
At one time, the USSR copied the American Copperhead and was even able to provide greater range, but this was the USSR and the technology of the last century. Now there is a new round of technology and Russia does not have much of a material base to copy such complex technology.

[ism_ek]

Quote: V.

Now the question is in counter-battery combat, in the range of destruction. Does Krasnopol satisfy in terms of range? And you already need a projectile with a range of over 70 km to successfully fight this Vulcano.

Range is achieved at the expense of a sharp reduction in power. Recently there was an interview with air defense officers. Excalibur exploded next to their Thor. The air defense system did not receive any damage affecting its operation.

[Escariot]

Quote: ism_ek

Quote: V.

Now the question is in counter-battery combat, in the range of destruction. Does Krasnopol satisfy in terms of range? And you already need a projectile with a range of over 70 km to successfully fight this Vulcano.

Range is achieved at the expense of a sharp reduction in power. Recently there was an interview with air defense officers. Excalibur exploded next to their Thor. The air defense system did not receive any damage affecting its operation.

But a projectile with a shorter range would not have reached this air defense system at all. So it is better to have a projectile in the ammunition load at least capable of hitting such a distant target than not to have such a projectile.

[Victor Leningradets]

Why do you think that repeating a product is easier than developing your own? I have extensive experience in development, I would not copy, and not at all because of copyright infringement. It's not always easier to copy.

And this is our everything!
Just as the office stole the Manhattan Project and ordered the scientists to repeat it so as not to waste time, so off we go. Remember this “Scratch-scratch!”, uttered with a grin by the former office worker!
So many promising developments were killed according to this principle! I remember there was a topic on heavy water reactors (and Canadians traditionally dealt with them) and at the scientific council they blurted out to me:
- Do Canadians do this?
- no, but...
- there’s no point in wasting time!

[Andy_nsk]

In my opinion, we now need to make a guided supersonic missile with GLONASS guidance for counter-battery warfare; it is easier to implement, there are no ultra-high overloads of thousands of g when fired, and much more is easier to implement: there is no need for a long-barreled gun, super-energy-intensive gunpowder, etc.

[Mitrich73]

You wrote it very correctly. Let me note that there is Point-U, which can participate in counter-battery combat. Subordinate a separate division to the chief of artillery of a division or corps, which will allow for a prompt response. The question is the number of missiles and installations.

[bayard]

Quote: Mitrich73

The question is the number of missiles and installations.

In the Russian Federation, when re-equipping missile brigades with new Iskanders, 10 (ten) Tochek-U brigade sets were sent to storage bases... and about 10 missiles for them. Why these resources have not yet been used in the Northern Military District is a mystery to me. Moreover, the last brigade was re-equipped only 000-3 years ago, no more, and the equipment must be in good working order.
They say that the rocket fuel in the rockets has degraded. But the Sumerians were able to organize the reloading of their missiles, and they had about 800 of them. And they used “Tochki-U” from the very beginning of the SVO. Is such a procedure as recharging a TT really something prohibitive for our military-industrial complex? And if only there were enough missiles. But no - the consumption (in general for the SVO) is high, but it is not possible to organize the proper massing. But this is a huge potential of 10 thousand missiles with a range of up to 120 km. and warheads up to 500 kg. Moreover, their accuracy can be increased by using a satellite navigator... after all, even the “Geraniums” were equipped with one and - voila, they fly accurately.
and Tochki-U can be used not only for counter-battery warfare (cluster warheads with cumulative incendiary submunitions would be very suitable for this), but also for isolating a combat area, as well as for massive use in breaking through enemy defenses, destroying oporniks and fortified areas.

[Escariot]

Quote from Andy_nsk

In my opinion, we now need to make a guided supersonic missile with GLONASS guidance for counter-battery warfare; it is easier to implement, there are no ultra-high overloads of thousands of g when fired, and much more is easier to implement: there is no need for a long-barreled gun, super-energy-intensive gunpowder, etc.

So there is such a thing. RZSO Hurricane with adjustable missiles or, in their name, Khaimars. The thing is great even though the rocket costs 100 thousand dollars. But there is one problem - such systems are subordinate to the command of the corps and even the army, and their reaction time is appropriate. And in general there are few such systems. But a battery of howitzers can be attached to a certain BTG, and this battery can include a gun with long-range ammunition included. 90% of the time, this howitzer is engaged in shelling positions with ordinary Orthodox cast iron, but if necessary, then, at the direction of intelligence, it can also load a high-precision projectile. The reaction time is much faster. Moreover, the enemy’s communications and intelligence are at least no worse.

[Passing]

Quote from Andy_nsk

In my opinion, we now need to make a guided supersonic missile with GLONASS guidance for counter-battery warfare; it’s easier to implement

IMHO this is a deeply flawed concept. Not as an effective means of complementing artillery in counter-battery warfare, but rather with MLRS with GLONAS as a key means. Yes, formally, an MLRS with GLONAS will be simpler, longer-range, cheaper in terms of launch (but not in terms of shells), i.e. at first glance, based on the sum of indicators, it is seriously more effective. But, as usual, there is a nuance. Imagine that the enemy spent money on deploying the most advanced electronic warfare systems, which we are not aware of. And to develop countermeasures - increasing the noise immunity of the GLONASS orbital constellation, the missile seeker itself, i.e. their development, production and deployment take months and years. And so, at the moment the enemy needs, our entire counter-battery fight turns into a pumpkin. And the right moment is, for example, a counterattack. And as a result, we turn into whipping boys, ala Saddam’s troops in Iraq, the equipment is destroyed, the fortified areas are in ruins, the remnants of the troops with Kalash guns are finishing off the last zinc... So you can get to “Russia is great, but there is nowhere to retreat - Moscow is behind us” . And this is not my fantasy, but a real scenario of almost all Arab-Israeli wars, when the Israelis, precisely due to advanced electronic warfare systems, one step ahead of at least the export version of Soviet technology, defeated the Arabs with a depressingly devastating score.

[Andy_nsk]

At the scientific council they blurted out to me in plain sight:
- Do Canadians do this?
- no, but...
- there’s no point in wasting time!

I work in another industry, petrogeophysics, and have to compete with such monsters as Schlumberger, Halibarten, Baker Hughes, who have the opportunity to spend $XNUMX million on development every day. We look at their equipment, but we have never used blind copying. We find more effective solutions. That's the only reason we survive. Fortunately, we have nothing to do with government agencies, so no one commands us, we make all decisions only on their technical and economic feasibility.

[Victor Leningradets]

Well, what I described is still the USSR, 1990.
Now I am retired, but I work in engineering. Applied science is in full swing here, which is why old people are in demand. Truly: “If Russia calls its dead, it means trouble!”

[KCA]

I worked in a company that was commissioned by Schlumberger to develop high-voltage equipment, and it wasn’t us who stole technology from them

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from Andy_nsk

Our designers have developed Krasnopol, an analogue of this projectile.

"Krasnopol" (even "Krasnopol-D"...) is in no way an analogue of Vulcano! What these “products” have in common is that they are guided artillery shells! With satellite correction, if you mean “Krasnopol-D”! "Krasnopol-D" can be called an analogue of the improved Excalibur with a laser seeker!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: V.

After the collapse of the USSR, no one was seriously involved in artillery.

After the collapse of the USSR, we do not hope that anyone will start doing something worthy, and not ordinary currency speculation... And the education system, so that the Russian language does not turn into a set of impersonal, empty words.

[Stas157]

Quote: ROSS 42

something worthy, and not the usual currency speculation

On what, on what, and on currency speculation, our banks and commodity exporters ate the dog. The recent devaluation and collapse of the ruble from 55 to 100 was a heavy burden and increased inflation for everyone. Meanwhile, our leading banks showed brilliant reporting and high profits. Sber shares have doubled! Why did it happen?

[Romario_Argo]

I would call this not a collapse of the ruble, but a controlled scheme of state-owned companies to replenish the budget of the Russian Federation
By the way, gold production in the Russian Federation has increased to 400 tons per year, and the Central Bank remains silent on gold reserves for 2022 and 2023.
It was 2300 tons + 800 = 3100 tons - they are specially holding it so that the ruble does not strengthen
strong ruble - little money from exports - but there is a “war”

[Soldatov V.]

Our Russian commentators understand what I’m talking about, but the Israeli public will criticize everything you offer. Your cons speak about what kind of person you are, and thank God you left.

[Ross xnumx]

Ammunition jointly produced by Germany and Italy promised to the Kyiv regime long ago, but they only provided it now.

I am constantly worried about the question: “On the basis of what document of the UN Security Council is military support provided to the Nazi regime and why does the Russian Federation not send response letters of chain to the Nazi sponsor-senders?”

Now recipients countthat such products will increase the effectiveness of their guns and the performance of artillery in general.

And the recipients who decide to perpetuate themselves with the splashed out Russophobia must count on total and complete destruction, so that not even grave mounds remain of them. so that in 20-30 years no one will have the desire to jump on the Maidan and throw out their hand in a party salute...

[Escariot]

Quote: ROSS 42

Ammunition jointly produced by Germany and Italy promised to the Kyiv regime long ago, but they only provided it now.

I am constantly worried about the question: “On the basis of what document of the UN Security Council is military support provided to the Nazi regime and why does the Russian Federation not send response letters of chain to the Nazi sponsor-senders?”

Now recipients countthat such products will increase the effectiveness of their guns and the performance of artillery in general.

And the recipients who decide to perpetuate themselves with the splashed out Russophobia must count on total and complete destruction, so that not even grave mounds remain of them. so that in 20-30 years no one will have the desire to jump on the Maidan and throw out their hand in a party salute...

Naturally, on the grounds that they consider the Russian regime to be fascist and that they are sending assistance to a democratic country waging a defensive war.
Russia doesn’t send any letters of happiness to sponsors because it’s a little busy with the Northern Military District and doesn’t have much extra energy for these letters.
The recipients (whom we seem to be liberating from Nazi oppression) must first be defeated, and only then “raze the hills to the ground,” but this victory is not in sight in the near future. Moreover, sponsors are throwing in more and more modern weapons.

[Soldatov V.]

Who are "we? Country of residence, nationality? Judas Iscariot who are you?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ROSS 42

I am constantly worried about the question: “On the basis of what document of the UN Security Council is military support provided to the Nazi regime and why does the Russian Federation not send response letters of chain to the Nazi sponsor-senders?”

What does the Security Council have to do with it? Why is a resolution needed to supply arms on credit in peacetime?
There is no war... Just as there is no recognition of the Ukrainian regime as Nazi.
So some democracies trade with other democracies. And generally speaking, There is no Nazism in Ukraine: the president there is Jewish. ©

[solar]

“On the basis of what document of the UN Security Council is military support provided to the Nazi regime and why does the Russian Federation not send response “chain letters” to the Nazi sponsor-senders?”

Are you really worried about this question? Based on three documents
1. Decisions of the UN Security Council on transferring the right to resolve the issue of recognizing Russia as an aggressor (this is a key point. The Security Council officially transferred the right to decide this to the UN General Assembly, where Russia does not have a veto. China could have blocked this decision, but no one agreed with it. Thanks to the department Lavrov) to the UN General Assembly.
2. Decisions of the UN General Assembly to recognize Russia as an aggressor.
3. Article 51 of the UN Charter, which gives the right to the victim of aggression, including collective self-defense.

[Bingo]

The head on the Outskirts remained only in 255 of these guided missiles) The rest are getting used to living without a head

The railway station in Lviv was decorated with a “symbol of modern Ukraine”

Well, it’s definitely a symbol... Of modern Ukraine - without a head and with a bare ass

[rocket757]

Threat and response

. As always, any threat requires a comprehensive response. After all, there is no need to invent anything new... we need to achieve the effective use of the means and methods that are available.
Yes, there should also be enough of them, those funds, the right amount in the right place...

[Romario_Argo]

if we install 152-mm smoothbores on our tanks, we will be able to use the Krasnopol UAS, incl. from closed positions along a mounted trajectory
as well as the Kornet ATGM with a penetration of up to 1300 mm behind the remote zone, and some types of missiles even against air targets up to 9 km.

[Escariot]

Quote: Romario_Argo

if we install 152-mm smoothbores on our tanks, we will be able to use the Krasnopol UAS, incl. from closed positions along a mounted trajectory
as well as the Kornet ATGM with a penetration of up to 1300 mm behind the remote zone, and some types of missiles even against air targets up to 9 km.

How much ammunition will this tank have?

[Romario_Argo]

292 object based on the T-80BV tank with a 152 mm LP-83 gun I didn’t find any data on BC because The MZ is located in the box-shaped rear part of the tower, so I can assume that it’s not much 10-12 shells and missiles
there was another project
195 object (T-95) based on the T-72B tank with a 152 mm 2A83 gun ammunition 18 shells and missiles in AZ

[Nikolaevich I]

Russian electronic warfare systems have been reported to jam satellite signals and dramatically degrade missile accuracy or even disrupt an attack. Probably, the German-Italian Vulcano shells do not have increased noise immunity, and can also be suppressed by electronic warfare systems. Accordingly, one of the main advantages of the ammunition in the form of high accuracy will be neutralized.

Another weak point of the ammunition is the radio fuse. The Russian army has specialized electronic warfare systems designed specifically to suppress such devices. For example, the Rtut-2M complex is capable of detecting the operating frequencies of fuses and sending them a false signal, causing premature operation at high altitudes.
Hmmm...! It is necessary that all the necessary electronic warfare equipment be present in the right place, at the right time!

[Vadim S]

We're not doing very well in this area. Krasnopol has been slightly improved in terms of guidance, but the range, of course, no longer corresponds to the time. As usual, it was unnecessary, but it wasn’t necessary.

[acetophenone]

The key way to combat Vulcano products and enemy artillery in general is to identify and destroy ammunition depots.

I probably spent about 4 minutes trying to figure out how to comment on THIS.
Well done!

[TermNachTer]

All this is interesting and, in places, even educational. The question is how much does such a projectile cost, how many can they produce and how many are they willing to supply to Ukraine for free? Apparently, the tsyatska is very expensive (there is nothing cheap in Germany), production has not yet been established, they made a trial batch using bypass technologies. Well, and most importantly, who will pay for the banquet?)))

[Escariot]

Quote: TermNachTER

All this is interesting and, in places, even educational. The question is how much does such a projectile cost, how many can they produce and how many are they willing to supply to Ukraine for free? Apparently, the tsyatska is very expensive (there is nothing cheap in Germany), production has not yet been established, they made a trial batch using bypass technologies. Well, and most importantly, who will pay for the banquet?)))

Probably very expensive. Probably at the level of the first Excaliburs at a quarter of a million dollars. Of course Germany pays.

[hashmaster]

How much space is there in this PzH 2000? Almost like a one-room apartment, in terms of dimensions :)

[Zaurbek]

The normal answer is only the production of the Coalition and its 152mm corrugated projectile.

[DrVintorez]

under every empty graphomaniac by Ryabov I will leave a comment “didn’t read” until they start writing the author at the beginning of the article.

"do not read"

[decimalegio]

There is a small translation error. The BER version has a range of more than 50 km with a 52 caliber barrel, and the GLR version has a range of more than 36 km with a 39 caliber barrel. The GLR version has a range of more than 70 km (52 ​​caliber barrel) and more than 55 km (39 caliber). For controlled versions, the CEP is 5 meters at any distance. Finally, a version with the Sal finder is already available and advertised on the Diehl and Leonardo websites, in this case the EFC is 3 meters. Finally, the effect of a small explosive warhead is expanded by pre-cut tungsten rings to produce fragments.

[solar]

The GLR/SAL (Semi-Active Laser) projectile is at the testing and development stage. It retains the navigation aids of the GLR product, and also receives a semi-active laser seeker. Due to the latter, it is planned to improve the accuracy of fire, as well as to ensure shooting at moving targets - in the presence of illumination.

Judging by the fact that

It was reported that only 255 of these products, modified for 155 mm guns, would be shipped to the Kyiv regime. For their use, we added to the help package 10 laser designators and portable fire control modules.

Most likely, these new combined GLR/SAL shells were sent to Ukraine. As far as can be understood, for testing in combat conditions.

[cpls22]

Most likely, these new combined GLR/SAL shells were sent to Ukraine.

Judging by the messages from near Kleshcheevka, they hit accurately, which means the illumination is coming from the front edge. M.b. Is it worth using IR laser irradiation sensors and a smoke screen from them not only on equipment, but also on strongholds? The sensor is on the support, and carry the charges with the aerosol 50m forward, for example.