For those who didn't understand the first time. Second reading. When will border troops appear in Russia?

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For those who didn't understand the first time. Second reading. When will border troops appear in Russia?

A strange disease is affecting our officials. It seems to me that this disease is spreading from the fact that any more or less important official, in the event of his resignation, considers, and some even implement, a transition to politics. Election to deputies or governing bodies of any party. Which ultimately still leads to receiving a deputy mandate.

What I mean is that people called upon to make decisions, people in power, do not understand the problem “in the first reading.” Very convenient, you know. I heard you, but we need to think, consult, ask the opinion of our superior comrades... And this is the time! There are even more problems up there, and they need to be solved. And the question is “muryzhat” in the first reading, in the second, third... one hundred and fifth...



Today I am forced to return to a topic that has been discussed many times on the pages of our publication. Authors, readers, Russians and citizens of other countries wrote. I'm talking about the restoration of full-fledged border troops. The fact that in conditions when our country has once again been declared an “enemy of democracy”, an “aggressor”, a “threat to peace” and so on, many people have appeared who want to spoil our house. To make a mess inside our state.

Haven’t the events on the Russian-Ukrainian border convinced the country’s leadership that the protection of the borders of our Motherland cannot be ensured by militias, the same ones that we have now “modernly” called territorial defense units? Is it really not clear that the protection of the country’s borders should be provided by full-fledged combat units? Trained the same way they did it under the Soviet Union.

Where does this blind faith come from that all these meshes, and in fact, that very ancient rusty wire, together with video cameras, thermal imagers and other sensors, will be able to ensure the “impassability” of our borders. It is not amateur smugglers who are coming to us. Professionals are coming to us, for whom, may the designers forgive me, all these technical means are completely surmountable. If someone created something, there will always be someone who can break it.

Border guards are expensive


Readers of the older generation remember very well the times when Border Guard Day was celebrated in much the same way as paratroopers or sailors celebrate their holidays today. A green cap was the same dream of many boys as a blue beret or cap. And then they looked at the “uncles” in these caps with admiration.

But... in 2005, the border troops were abolished! Why do we need tens of thousands of border guards when there are friends around? Our borders are not threatened. Here's to saving money! By the way, it was then that the FSB became acquainted with the new name of the service - border agencies. Since 2005, conscripts no longer serve in border agencies. The latter left in 2007... For some, it may be a revelation that the “new border guards” do not have border posts!

Today our border service is actually a border police. Instead of outposts there are line departments, instead of soldiers there are contract soldiers whose task is to check documents and inspect cargo. Yes, I almost forgot, today border guards are guarding... the country's fishing wealth! Poachers are being caught! And this is no joke. They have nothing else to do. The Ministry of Transport will even do a checkpoint or inspection platform for them.

Tell me, is this some kind of nonsense? They should have boundaries protect! And again you will be wrong. Should not. They have no such task. The Soviets should have defended this. And they laid down their lives defending themselves with “riflemen” until the army units arrived. And it was clear who was responsible for what. According to the law “On the State Border of the Russian Federation”, border guards are prohibited from firing towards the border!

Captain Ivanov - for the site from now to now. Senior Lieutenant Petrov further to... There is a head of the outpost who is obliged to close the border. There is a head of the border detachment who coordinates the actions of the commanders of the outposts and, if necessary, sends mobile groups to help...

Who is responsible for the border today? Head of the border line department? With what and by whom? The “economic reform” of the border troops actually killed them.

Hurray, the border troops are being restored


This is the cry of my inner voice when, after numerous publications, I heard a speech by State Duma deputy, member of the defense committee, General Andrei Gurulev, that the border troops will be revived again. Let me remind you that General Gurulev announced this in June of this year. Finally, the 2-kilometer border with Ukraine will be covered!

But half of September has already passed... And the cart is still there... This same cart is stuck. Such an interesting picture. Everyone understands everything, everyone is in favor, but for some reason there was no official who would implement the decision. We can't protect the border with Ukraine because of... Ukraine. More precisely, because we are conducting SVO there.

Recruiting conscripts is not difficult. It is even possible to restore border posts. But where to get weapons and everything else? Do you need artillery? Of course, like air! Aviation needed? How can we ensure the transfer of mobile support groups without helicopters? Are UAVs necessary? Where would a modern war be without them? And so on, down the list...

What follows is even more interesting.

Today there is no structure for managing the border troops. What exists is intended for post-reform “border agencies”, but not for border troops. That is, it is necessary to create, by analogy with the army, border districts. And from there, expand the structure downwards.

Just for example. Yes, our border with Ukraine is quite long. So why not give this entire border to one leader? By analogy with the USSR. Let there be a Southern Border District. Or for example the Arctic. After all, there was a separate Arctic border detachment.

Moreover, due to the difficult situation on the border, some army formations can be reassigned to the border guards, at least for the duration of the SVO. After all, there were examples of the 103rd Airborne Division, 74th MSD, which were subordinate to the FSB for a year and a half in 1990–1991.

Now let's get back to the personnel.

To protect the state border of the USSR, 150 to 200 thousand people were enough. I don’t think that conscripting 25–30 thousand people into the PV for the Southern Military District will greatly weaken the ranks of our army. And over time, when vacancies are filled by contract workers, even this will become a lot.

Well, weapons.

Based on the tasks of defending the border and completely covering it, I think the district commander should have a reserve that includes heavy weapons. The same infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, MLRS, mortars, etc. For some reason, the experience of Afghanistan has been forgotten. For some reason, we believe that border guards are an outpost, a section of the border.

We forget that the task of the border guards is not just to close the border, but also to ensure peace there. And they provided it! On one's own. Their mobile groups worked independently from army units at a fairly large distance. According to some reports, up to 80 km from the deployment sites! They worked to ensure the safety of their own outposts.

Veterans of the border troops also remember one more fact, completely forgotten today. Soviet border troops could independently conduct quite serious battles with enemy army units on their own! The border guards had almost everything that the army had. And they were trained not only according to the methods of motorized rifle units, but also according to the methods of airborne assault units of the Airborne Forces.

Instead of deducing


I understand that it is difficult to create a new power structure right away. Even very difficult. Literally every issue can be discussed. Starting with whether this structure will be part of the FSB, as before, or in some other department, and ending with material support and weapons. One can even allow the emergence of border troops as a completely new independent structure.

I also understand that this will cost serious money, which could be used for more pressing purposes. This too can be debated forever. The money issue has always been and remains very controversial and very complex. Remember the classics of opponents of any reforms, changes or transformations: it would be better to give this money to pensioners (pioneers, athletes, doctors, teachers) and others.

This can all be decided by a simple vote. They discussed it, voted, and the president signed it. And the issue is resolved. And then it’s up to the professionals. I think that even today there are people in the FSB who started serving in the border troops and then were forced to change their specialization. But they will be happy to “go back to the past.” They will make every effort to ensure that the green cap becomes a source of pride for the fighter for the rest of his life...

Well, we can’t drag our feet any longer. We do not dare resolve the issue “without haste and deeply thinking through the solution.” Simply because, in the absence of victories at the front, Ukrainians will in any case intensify sabotage activities within our country. Today, no one will be surprised by reports of caches found on our territory, where you can find almost everything: from pistols and cartridges to anti-tank mines and large-caliber shells.

And often these weapons are delivered from the territory of Ukraine. This means that all and sundry are walking across our border. They walk in both directions. It turns out that all this electronics and thorn do not work. Therefore, terrorist attacks in our cities and villages will continue. Civilians will die. Peaceful infrastructure facilities will be destroyed.

And we will again heroically expel, destroy, squeeze out, etc., the Ukrainian or some other DRGs that have already come and caused mischief. We will talk about the heroism of ordinary men who defended their village with hunting rifles. At the same time, without doing anything to ensure that this heroism did not happen. So that professionals fight with professionals.

Well, the last.

Remember how many times Ukrainian formations entered or tried to enter our territory to commit sabotage. If we count since March last year, there have been 7 (seven) such attempts. And they were not committed by some patriots or criminals. And the professionals. Let me remind you of one more fact about the last such foray into the Bryansk region.

Then two were killed and five saboteurs were captured. Remember the Russian television reports where the trophies were shown? Weapon American-made (M4 rifles), grenade launchers, mines, etc. But the composition of the prisoners is much more interesting. Employees of the SBU, GUR and SSO!

So do we need border troops or is there still time to do some arithmetic? Calculate how much it costs. Look, as long as we think, the problem will resolve on its own...
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  1. +46
    20 September 2023 04: 50
    It came apart very quickly, literally within a year. It will take decades to restore. PV is not only a border, it is higher education institutions and obscenity, it is equipment and service. This is the arrangement of borders and posts. Those who made the decision to manage the PoV are enemies of Russia and traitors
    1. +29
      20 September 2023 05: 17
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Those who made the decision about management PV are enemies of Russia and traitors

      Those who made the decision to abolish the PoE are enemies of Russia and traitors!
      Yes
      They also built this with our money:
      :
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        1. 0
          21 September 2023 20: 42
          Yes, that’s right, you’re saying everything correctly. I agree completely
        2. +2
          22 September 2023 09: 35
          Quote: ramzay21
          The state of the border guards and doing nothing is not at all surprising; almost everything in our country is in such a state, although the picture on TV is good everywhere.

          This is called Stability.
          Destroying the Border Guard of the Country and even with the beginning of the Northern Military District and to this day not thinking about restoring it... this is Stability.
          Just some kind of wrong one.
    2. +13
      20 September 2023 07: 01
      I completely agree, to the extent that it was, and for a long time. And it is possible to restore outposts and return regular border guards to service from the reserve quite quickly. Filling a GTS, infantry fighting vehicle, or armored personnel carrier with equipment is also not difficult, taking the same 80 or even 70 from storage for the first time. It is clear that heavy equipment is now in short supply, like artillery, but border control with border guards can be quickly covered and even the command post can be restored along the perimeter borders in a fairly short time. It is more difficult and longer to restore the structure (supply, training, coordination and interaction with other structures and bodies). In Kamchatka, the outposts are not abandoned, but they are engaged in garbage (water protection, fisheries protection, ecology, access to the sea for small boats). We didn’t do this at the outpost when I was young.
      hi
      1. +2
        20 September 2023 13: 07
        You can’t get away with half measures on the border with Ukraine; BTR-70,80 are not enough. We need a whole line of outposts and checkpoints at a distance of 10-15 km from each other and armored groups with anti-tank weapons and self-propelled artillery as well.
    3. +5
      20 September 2023 08: 24
      It fell apart very quickly
      Break, don't build, soul doesn't hurt
    4. +13
      20 September 2023 08: 58
      It will take decades to restore.

      Don't get your hopes up.
      All. Nadya died. It's capitalism in the yard. No one, no Usmanov or Sechin, or Miller will ever spend billions on maintaining the Russian state border.
      Only the USSR could do this.
    5. +4
      28 September 2023 15: 58
      The PV was abolished in 2005 under Putin. What does this mean? Chi zrada or peremoga?
    6. 0
      20 February 2024 21: 08
      That’s for sure, we can’t break things down, but there is hope that the documents on the organization and structure of the PoV were not burned. But the smart guy who proposed this such a progressive idea can easily be accused of undermining State security and, accordingly, the safety of citizens.
  2. +3
    20 September 2023 05: 43
    “It turns out that all this electronics and thorns do not work. Therefore, terrorist attacks in our cities and villages will continue. Civilians will die. Peaceful infrastructure will be destroyed.” I think that the PV will certainly be restored, the question is along what borders, and only conscripts will have to serve there (I think so).
  3. +7
    20 September 2023 05: 51
    So this is actually one of the continuations of that chaos, epiphanies and understandings, everything that happened from the beginning of the so-called “its”, but only during the time when we are all talking about ... whether Vova was in power, and he appointed these Serdyukovs and Shoigu with the Gerasimovs, he approved the construction of a shit center in a boat and looked at the collapse of the army......
  4. +19
    20 September 2023 06: 19
    Sad article. It’s hard to realize what my native troops have become. He served as a conscript on the Tajik-Afghan border. 2nd outpost of the Pyanj detachment. Served with pride.
  5. +9
    20 September 2023 06: 24
    Under Putin nothing will be restored! Wrong level of education.
    1. +8
      20 September 2023 07: 36
      Quote: steel maker
      Under Putin nothing will be restored! Wrong level of education.

      They built a society of consumption, not creation. Education is appropriate, aimed at educating qualified consumers (according to Fursenko).
  6. +10
    20 September 2023 06: 27
    It looks like the time has come to conduct a major audit of everything that our unfortunate reformers have done. The trouble is that this applies to many spheres of state life. On the good side, it’s high time to send all these optimizer-reformers out into the “fresh air” of logging or other equally exciting activities. Well, while they rule the country, we can only be indignant.
    1. +11
      20 September 2023 06: 46
      It looks like the time has come to conduct a major audit of everything that our unfortunate reformers have done.

      Yes, 33 years of oligarchic power dealt a serious blow to our country. But in order to carry out the Audit, they must first be removed from power. They themselves will not conduct an audit, will not conduct an investigation against themselves and will not condemn themselves, they are now not just above the Law, they are writing these Laws in which we are no one and they are everything.
      And you are right, for now we can only be indignant and wait.
    2. 0
      20 September 2023 09: 15
      What an extremist you are, however, and a rocker of all sorts of courts and ships. I hope “Comrade Major” didn’t read this. hi
      1. +1
        21 September 2023 22: 37
        How naive you are, you’re obviously out of touch lol
  7. +8
    20 September 2023 06: 29
    In addition to the border with 404, we also have all sorts of borders. .... problems lie ahead
  8. +5
    20 September 2023 07: 09
    Here's to saving money!
    - the abolition began precisely with this. After understanding and posing the problem, their revival should begin with the allocation of funds for the constant maintenance of PVs. The independent behavior of the state on the world stage begins with the economy. Hence, as usual, questions arise for the country’s leadership: what has it been doing for more than 30 years, or, okay, the last 23 years to ensure the economic sovereignty of the country. Education and upbringing of the younger generation, and the whole society, ideology. And there are no answers to these questions. PV, in addition to performing the main task, were part of the state’s economic protection system.
    1. +4
      20 September 2023 09: 06
      The independent behavior of the state on the world stage begins with the economy. Hence, as usual, questions arise for the country’s leadership: what has it been doing for more than 30 years, or, okay, the last 23 years to ensure the economic sovereignty of the country.

      Absolutely right! The economy, or rather the direction of financial flows, is the most important issue in the development of any country. Where did our excess income from the export of raw materials go? For the purchase of palaces, trinkets and football clubs abroad, for the Olympics and football championships, for the maintenance of the former Soviet republics, most of which are now hostile to us.
      Even the Arabs were smart enough to nationalize all oil and gas production in order to become rich, but our leader continued Yeltsin’s work and now the greater honor of mining companies belongs to foreigners, as in African countries.
  9. 0
    20 September 2023 07: 17
    The author will definitely have border troops! Soon...
    In fact, if you look at it, in a country living with regulated external relations, the functions of border guards boil down to checking documents when crossing the border, fighting illegal migrants, poachers from neighboring territories and smugglers on both sides. That is, purely police functions for which tanks, artillery and MLRS are not needed.
    But when there are only enemies on the perimeter, enemy DRGs and spies try to come to us, then of course yes... Well, of course, don’t let your citizens go there at any time (otherwise they’ll suddenly run away from such a life)...
    In general, it already happened. History develops in a spiral request
  10. +11
    20 September 2023 07: 20
    . So do we need border troops?
    On the border with Ukraine?
    The front line and troops should be located there, not border guards on the border.
    There is no this, no that... Well, you should have thought about this before the operation, and not wrung your elbows during the rush.
  11. +7
    20 September 2023 08: 23
    the president signed. And the issue is resolved.
    The President, in May of the shaggy year, signed decrees and the issues have still not been resolved.
  12. +3
    20 September 2023 08: 27
    Yes, I almost forgot, today border guards are guarding... the country's fishing wealth! Poachers are being caught! And this is no joke.

    what By resolutions of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR dated 04.02.1967/03.11.1972/31.07.1975, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the border troops were entrusted with the task of protecting the coastline of the Arctic Ocean, Barents, White and Okhotsk seas.

    On the basis of the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated December 10.12.1976, 200 “On temporary measures for the conservation of living resources and the regulation of fisheries in marine areas adjacent to the coast of the USSR,” the border troops together with the fisheries protection authorities of the Ministry of Fisheries of the USSR and with the participation of the forces of a number of other ministries began to protect fish resources within a XNUMX-mile zone.
    I know this for sure, because... uncles served in the MC of the KGB of the USSR in the North-Eastern Border Directorate.
    1. +4
      20 September 2023 11: 01
      Quote: Lynx2000
      On the basis of the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated December 10.12.1976, 200 “On temporary measures for the conservation of living resources and the regulation of fisheries in marine areas adjacent to the coast of the USSR,” the border troops together with the fisheries protection authorities of the Ministry of Fisheries of the USSR and with the participation of the forces of a number of other ministries began to protect fish resources within a XNUMX-mile zone.

      And in 1997, already in the Russian Federation, when forming the MoHR, the Federal Border Guard Service of Russia decided not to divide the sea - and immediately added to the MoHR also the bodies for the protection of marine biological resources from the fishery protection department of the Ministry of Agriculture and Food of Russia.
      As a result, the MOHR also inherited the fisheries protection fleet - the same "Herluf Bidstrup", whose weapons consist only of machine guns of the inspection team temporarily mounted on pedestals.
  13. +3
    20 September 2023 09: 12
    I'm afraid that those who didn't understand the first time won't understand the second, third, etc.
  14. Owl
    +6
    20 September 2023 10: 11
    "103rd Airborne Division, 74 MSD, which were subordinate to the FSB for a year and a half in 1990–1991." - the listed formations, as well as the 27th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade, a brigade in Volgograd and one regiment in Transcaucasia were part of the Special Forces of the KGB of the USSR, and were not subordinate to the border guards. The level of conscripts was excellent, they went through border selection (the most serious selection in the system of military registration and enlistment offices of the USSR), in the 27th Motorized Rifle Brigade (Teply Stan brigade) - from June 1990 to August 1991, one of the small and medium-sized infantry units took up combat duty in Moscow. In August 1991, the brigade's forces would have been enough to maintain order in Moscow and bring KGB special forces ("A" and "B") into the White House. We didn’t know that it was all a stage show, that the traitors were “the top of the country,” we honestly saved the Soviet Union then.
  15. +2
    20 September 2023 10: 49
    Yes, I almost forgot, today border guards are guarding... the country's fishing wealth! Poachers are being caught! And this is no joke. They have nothing else to do.

    Who else would do this? Return the economic zone to the Fisheries Protection Agency with its unarmed slow-moving vehicles? So they will simply be a transmission link, constantly requesting help from the MCPV.
    Or are you proposing to arm the Fishery Protection Service as well? More departmental special forces for the special forces god! wink

    Protecting the economic zone by the MChPV forces is an absolutely logical decision. The roots of which lie in not so distant times, when in the Far East, in order to fight poachers, border aviation once even had to launch a cannon and missile strike on a trawler.
  16. +9
    20 September 2023 12: 22
    I would love to write a comment, but, according to the administration, it will be very short. Because it is impossible to comment on the situation with the border troops, which were “optimized”, and today they will spend five years “thinking” whether it is worth restoring, “thinking”, despite the OBVIOUS need for revival, except with a thirty-story obscenity. And swearing at VO is prohibited.
    Accordingly, the comment will consist of only prepositions and interjections and will not pass moderation...
  17. -1
    20 September 2023 16: 04
    It would be good for UAVs and tracked Marker type to patrol the border. Plus, you can install it for constant observation like a cane, install it vertically, all-weather, and let it spin 360 and watch for days.
  18. -4
    20 September 2023 16: 07
    Can the attackers be given a kind of Kevlar shield? While he is running, he is advancing - a good cover from the little ones. (not on this topic, but in general - have you had experience using a shield & personal small arms?)
    1. +1
      26 September 2023 01: 11
      Considering that 95% of damage is from explosions (art, mines, drones), shields in the army are either useless or extremely narrowly applicable. Yes, the Special Forces or other parts of the Special Forces can perform the role of anti-terra or perform tasks to free prisoners, but nothing more.
      But Kevlar overalls are a necessary thing. In the summer, and even in the south, you can’t fight in them, you’ll get heatstroke before the enemy gets there, but for the rest of the year 6-7 months a year the thing is very useful... It’s clear that if a suitcase 152/155 arrives, nothing will save you there, but it will completely save you from stray bullets with AGS, grenade launchers, drops from copters, offensive grenades, all sorts of stray bullets at the end or rebounds.
  19. +3
    20 September 2023 20: 14
    The border troops were destroyed by traitors in power, who are still in charge. There is only one way to defeat them - to put them against the wall, according to the law, of course. And the sooner the better. An example is China, but our parents were not fools.
  20. +2
    20 September 2023 20: 58
    First break and make money. Then create something to steal money. Who will make galoshes?
  21. -1
    26 September 2023 00: 44
    In theory, FSB officers could be left at the inspection points and perhaps the waters could be left behind them, and the protection of the state border could be entrusted to the National Guard.
    Giving them powers for this is a matter of 1 day, again, there is no need to greatly expand the staff, perhaps it will be necessary to attract specialists, it is possible to quickly subordinate the outposts to FSB groups on the ground... Fortunately, we have a huge staff of the National Guard, allocate the same 200 thousand riot police, after additional training, strengthened by specialists and intelligent officers, it is more than possible to highlight.
    1. 0
      17 December 2023 00: 54
      Quote: Georgy Sviridov
      In theory, FSB officers could be left at the inspection points and perhaps the waters could be left behind them, and the protection of the state border could be entrusted to the National Guard.

      In theory, it is possible for fighter pilots to leave aircraft maintenance on the ground, and place technicians at the controls. But... if my grandmother had..., then she would be a grandfather.
      The tasks performed by the Internal Troops, and now the Russian Guard, cannot be compared with the tasks of protecting the state border.
  22. +1
    28 September 2023 09: 59
    Putin said that Russia will not close itself off from the rest of the world. The rest of the world is closing itself off from Russia. Such an incident.
  23. 0
    28 September 2023 18: 06
    Accountants SHOULD NOT shape government policy.
  24. +1
    29 September 2023 09: 18
    To paraphrase a well-known phrase, if you don’t want to feed your army (border troops), you will feed someone else’s...
  25. +1
    7 December 2023 08: 49
    Who met the first and held the advance of the German troops and did not retreat? Border guards! The best and most devoted personnel of the Soviet army fell into the ground, but not a step back!
    Some people really don’t like the fact that on our border they will rise again from the ashes and close the border behind a castle.
  26. 0
    17 January 2024 21: 21
    A strange disease is affecting our officials. It seems to me that this disease is spreading from the fact that any more or less important official, in the event of his resignation, considers, and some even implement, a transition to politics. Election to deputies or governing bodies of any party. Which ultimately still leads to receiving a deputy mandate.

    Who is vested with power and protected by the phrase “this question should be addressed to the Ministry of Defense”?
    Zyuganov, Yavlinsky and Zhirinovsky again?
    Here is V.V. Although he was poisonous, he spoke in such a way that a quarter of the country listened to him.
    And now what?
    The Federation Council agrees with the line. They don't even argue. At least on principle.
    There are no such people in the State Duma. There's competition there. Who will be the first to guess what needs to be agreed with?
    And there is a leader. This is what is not clear, who would do better - I agree. But he gradually takes the path of Leonid Ilyichevism. Physically strong. But where are the slogans that will be remembered in 20-30 years? Not local, but throughout the country. No.(

    You give a five-year plan in four years!
    The better we work, the better we will live!
    From each according to his ability - to each according to his merits!
  27. 0
    20 February 2024 21: 03
    PV Needed!!!! And in today's situation they are vital!!!
  28. 0
    20 February 2024 21: 23
    Still, the meaning is not entirely clear.

    We have more peaceful borders. Border troops are not needed there for protection.

    There is absolutely no peaceful border. An army is needed for protection there. If we cut off a piece from the army (that is, the armed forces) (personnel, equipment, weapons) and call it border troops, what will fundamentally change? Well, besides duplicating command staff and logistics structures?
  29. 0
    April 11 2024 19: 36
    The one who destroyed the border troops so necessary at all times and in any state has a specific surname. And it is under the law “On measures to improve public administration in the field of security of the Russian Federation” signed on March 11, 2003.