Rumors about North Korean MLRS for the Russian army

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Rumors about North Korean MLRS for the Russian army
MLRS KN-09 of the first version at the parade in 2015.


Rumors have reappeared about the expansion of military-technical cooperation between Russia and the DPRK. This time it is reported that the Russian army, against the backdrop of ongoing hostilities, is showing interest in North Korean artillery, incl. to multiple launch rocket systems. By acquiring such weapons, Russia allegedly intends to increase the firepower of its ground forces and increase its advantages over the enemy.



There are rumors


The first rumors about Russian-Korean military-technical cooperation in the context of the Special Operation to Protect Donbass appeared last summer. Then a number of foreign media outlets, citing unnamed sources in intelligence and other structures, claimed that the Russian army had depleted its reserves of ammunition and weapons. As a result, it has to turn to the DPRK for shells and missiles. In addition, Russia can purchase Korean-made barrel and rocket artillery systems.

No confirmation of this information was provided, but this did not prevent it from being circulated in press publications and even included in statements by foreign officials. However, over time, the topic of North Korean weapons and ammunition faded into the background due to the absence of any real events that could be associated with the circulating rumors.


300mm missile guides

The foreign press returned to the topic of possible supplies of Korean weapons to Russia a few days ago - in connection with the official visit of the DPRK leader Kim Jong-un. It was assumed that the heads of state would not only discuss political and economic issues, but also agree on military-technical cooperation.

Without waiting for official information, foreign news agencies published “details” of closed negotiations, allegedly obtained by the British intelligence agency Mi-6. This data is already being studied by foreign experts, and has also been transferred to the Kyiv regime.

Citing sources in British intelligence, they write that the leaders of Russia and North Korea discussed the issue of supplying missile systems. North Korean-made ballistic missiles could reach Russia as early as October and should be expected in the combat zone over the next few weeks.


Additionally, Mi-6 claims that Russia will begin production of a Korean missile system known as the KN-09. For this purpose, it is allegedly planned to conclude a special agreement and build a production site. British intelligence officers and the foreign press cannot name the timing of the implementation of such plans and the appearance of serial KN-09 in the Russian army.

Long range system


In foreign publications, the Korean KN-09 MLRS is compared with the American M142 HIMARS. The latter is the most advanced Western-developed multiple launch rocket system. In addition, according to foreign news agenda, the M142 changed the course of hostilities in Ukraine and is helping the Kyiv regime “liberate the occupied territories.”

It is curious that the comparison of the tabular characteristics is far from being in favor of the American MLRS. According to known data, the KN-09 is capable of sending missiles to a distance of 180-200 km, and in this regard it is noticeably superior to HIMARS even with the latest generation of projectiles. The lag in performance of the American complex is considered a cause for serious concern.


Upgraded version of KN-09 with 12 guides on a four-axle chassis, 2020.

It should be noted that the KN-09 MLRS developed by the DPRK is indeed of interest - at least technically. In conditions of isolation and known restrictions, the Korean industry was able to create an interesting and promising model with high performance. In addition, it is already known about its modernization aimed at increasing the basic parameters. It is assumed that Korean engineers had access to the Soviet / Russian Smerch system or to Chinese developments, but the use of foreign experience does not detract from their own merits.

According to known data, KN-09 was developed at the turn of the two thousandth and tenth years. No later than 2014, this MLRS entered service with the troops, and at the same time it was first noticed by American and South Korean troops. Subsequently, combat vehicles were repeatedly demonstrated at parades, and also participated in various exercises and shootings, incl. covered by the press. At the same time, foreign intelligence services tried to establish the characteristics and technical features of the complex as a whole and its individual components.

Technical features


The KN-09 is a self-propelled large-caliber MLRS of traditional appearance. All system units are mounted on a vehicle chassis, which provides high mobility and cross-country ability. The first modification of the complex was built on a three-axle truck, presumably of the Chinese brand HOWO. The modernized version, first shown in 2020, was built on a four-axle chassis reminiscent of the Soviet ZIL-135.


Handover ceremony for the Army KN-09 MLRS acquired by the Children's Union of Korea, June 2023.

In both cases, the vehicle cabin accommodates crew positions and fire control equipment. The modernized version of the combat vehicle is equipped with protective windshield shutters, which increase the safety of the crew. Behind the cabin, on the cargo area of ​​the chassis, there are boxes with the necessary equipment, and in the stern there is a rotary support device for the launcher.

Apparently, the design of the launcher allows for azimuth guidance within a wide sector. It is also possible to lift the installation to large elevation angles.

The launcher contains guides for 300 mm rockets. Each such device is a pipe of the required diameter with a spiral guide for the initial spin-up of the missile. The first modification of the KN-09 carried eight guides with missiles - they were divided into two 2x2 blocks. MLRS arr. 2020, thanks to a more load-carrying chassis, carries 12 missiles with six guide tubes blocked.

The KN-09 uses rockets similar to the Smerch/Tornado-S missiles. They are made in a cylindrical body with a diameter of 300 mm and a length of approx. 7,5-8 m and can have a mass of up to 800-900 kg. The missiles are equipped with a high-performance solid fuel engine. With its help, a firing range of up to 180-200 km is ensured. According to foreign estimates, the missiles carry warheads of various types weighing up to 70-80 kg.


To ensure the required firing accuracy over the entire range of ranges, the KN-09 missile is equipped with control devices. According to various sources, trajectory correction is used based on signals from satellite navigation systems, probably GLONASS and Beidou. Control is carried out by small rudders in the bow of the projectile. At the end of the 300s, foreign intelligence services and the media reported the development of a certain 09-mm missile with an optical homing head. Perhaps this information was related specifically to the KN-XNUMX MLRS.

High potential


According to available data, the Korean KN-09 multiple launch rocket system with 300 mm rockets has high tactical and technical characteristics and should show high efficiency. In terms of key indicators and potential, it should not be inferior to the main foreign analogues.

As the foreign press rightly notes, the KN-09, with a firing range of up to 200 km and satellite guidance, is superior in combat qualities to the American HIMARS MLRS, incl. when it uses long-range ER GMLRS and GLSDB ammunition, which only fly 150 km. You should also remember the Chinese 301-mm A200 rocket and systems for it, such as the Belarusian Polonaise. An MLRS with these shells is capable of attacking targets at a distance of 200 km, and a modernized missile with an increased range has already been developed.

The caliber of the Korean MLRS KN-09 is similar to the Russian Smerch / Tornado-S. At the same time, our complex, unfortunately, lags behind its missile flight characteristics. The old 9M55 family of projectiles have a range of only 70 km, and modern ammunition has only recently surpassed the 100 km mark. At the same time, there is a fundamental possibility of reaching 200 km, and Russian enterprises are working on this.


Launch of a 300 mm guided missile

The expected appearance of a missile with a range of up to 200 km will obviously affect the potential of the Tornado-S MLRS. It will retain all its functions, but at the same time will be able to attack objects at a greater depth of enemy defense. In addition, it will provide a great advantage over NATO systems, regardless of the ammunition they use.

Probably, it was the difference in the characteristics of the Russian “Smerch” / “Tornado-S” and the Korean KN-09 that became one of the main reasons for the emergence of rumors about the possible purchase of the latter. However, the matter does not go further than dubious publications and unconfirmed information.

With my own strength


Russian artillery, incl. jet, armed and equipped only with domestically developed and produced systems. The industry produces a wide range of various systems and products for the army, and also modernizes existing models and develops completely new ones. In such a system there is simply no need to purchase foreign MLRS and/or missiles.

At the same time, the foreign press and intelligence agencies insist that Russia is unable to cope with the Special Operation and needs urgent and extensive assistance from the “rogue country” represented by the DPRK. However, you can ignore this. “Sensations” of this kind already appeared a year ago, and have not received any confirmation in the intervening time. Therefore, there is no reason to believe that this time the real plans of Moscow and Pyongyang were found out abroad.
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  1. +5
    18 September 2023 04: 20
    It is assumed that Korean engineers had access to the Soviet / Russian Smerch system or to Chinese developments, but the use of foreign experience does not detract from their own merits.

    The author accuses the Russian Federation and China of violating UN Security Council sanctions? It is interesting that in the issue of weapons development, first they talk about who could have copied the equipment, and in the end, when there are no arguments left, they write that this is not a Newtonian binomial.
    According to foreign estimates, the missiles carry warheads of various types weighing up to 70-80 kg.

    South Korea estimates the 300 mm rockets have a range of 180–200 km (110–120 mi)[3] with a 190 kg (420 lb) payload
    South Korea estimates that the 300 mm missiles have a range of 180–200 km (110–120 mi) [3] and a payload of 190 kg (420 lb).
    ...
    Guidance likely comes from Russian GLONASS or Chinese Beidou navigation system
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KN-09_(multiple_rocket_launcher)
    1. +2
      18 September 2023 04: 55
      I liked the article. I really liked the photos of Korean cities. Despite many years of sanctions, it is clear that Korean cities are developing, they are well-groomed, clean, beautiful
      [South Korea estimates that the 300 mm missiles have a range of 180–200 km (110–120 mi) [3] and a payload of 190 kg (420 lb)...

      They were nervous and worried, because Seoul is located very close to the border with the DPRK, right within the reach of North Korean artillery systems
      1. +16
        18 September 2023 06: 20
        Did you see a photo of the city where the parade is taking place and draw a conclusion?! Holy simplicity ))))
        1. AAK
          +18
          18 September 2023 06: 56
          Well, here too, Moscow is far from being the whole of Russia in terms of the correlation between cleanliness, grooming and the location of parades... another thing is important, the small DPRK, crushed by sanctions, has created a type of weapon that is seriously superior in range to our "Smerch"/"Tornado" (not it’s important with whose help, it’s important that it was created...), and again, immoderate optimism and Ryabov “twin brothers...”
          1. +3
            18 September 2023 08: 19
            Quote: AAK
            ..... again immoderate optimism and Ryabov “twin brothers...”

            hi You understand that lately we have seen how, after more than 30 years of post-perestroika Russia, the good deeds of the USSR to developing countries are bringing results. But the USSR helped the DPRK a lot, and supplied weapons for free!!! We have observed that eastern peoples can remember good things for a long time! Why not --- be strengthened by a friendly attitude?
          2. +5
            18 September 2023 23: 06
            And they drove it into our heads that our military-industrial complex is the best. The star program should go to poor North Korea and compare who really is the best.
          3. 0
            19 September 2023 08: 54
            Aak, I'm sorry. Seriously superior tornado/tornado? That's for sure? By what characteristics???
            1. 0
              19 September 2023 19: 50
              Quote from Savage3000
              Seriously superior tornado/tornado? That's for sure? By what characteristics???

              So Kiril Ryabov states that the North Korean MLRS and Khimars are superior.
              1. +1
                21 September 2023 17: 50
                Karabas, well, yes. Ryabov is burning. doesn't understand what he's talking about at all.
              2. 0
                21 September 2023 17: 50
                Karabas, well, yes. Ryabov is burning. doesn't understand what he's talking about at all.
      2. +3
        18 September 2023 09: 50
        “I really liked the photos of Korean cities.” TAKE advertising bouquets from Moscow, Nizhny Tagil or Korenovsk, and then compare them with reality. I guarantee surprise.
        There were interesting videos on the DPRK on YouTube.
        1. +3
          18 September 2023 18: 28
          Don't touch Nizhny Tagil! My favorite city)
      3. +1
        18 September 2023 13: 13
        Yes, there is little good in these cities. But there seem to be improvements. Fortunately, small businesses have existed there in a certain form for some time.
    2. +7
      18 September 2023 05: 42
      I wonder if the South Caucasus will fulfill its threat to start supplying arms to Ukraine if the UK starts its deliveries?
      1. +11
        18 September 2023 05: 46
        Why should the UK be against it? After all, these missiles and shells will not be aimed at her. And this does not depend on YK, but on their owners, who will always find a reason. Or do you think the South Caucasus is an independent state?
        1. +7
          18 September 2023 07: 23
          Why should the UK be against it? After all, these missiles and shells will not be aimed at her. And this does not depend on YK, but on their owners, who will always find a reason. Or do you think the South Caucasus is an independent state?

          The South Caucasus understands that the DPRK will give its weapons for a reason, and accordingly will ask for help in those areas in which it is lagging behind and this is a possible threat to the South Caucasus.

          I wonder if the South Caucasus will fulfill its threat to start supplying arms to Ukraine if the UK starts its deliveries?

          Where is the guarantee that sooner or later it won’t deliver? The question depends on what supplies, at whose expense the banquet will be.
          Of course, the intrigue is swirling, but here who will talk to whom. The South Caucasus is faced with an interesting dilemma: if, as a counterbalance, we supply weapons to Ukraine, the war will drag on, which means that Russia will need the DPRK more, the more the DPRK will be able to bargain with Russia.
          Thinking that YK will be verbally indignant, but there will be no serious movements.
          1. +1
            18 September 2023 13: 02
            Quote: Arkadich
            The South Caucasus understands that the DPRK will give its weapons for a reason, and accordingly will ask for help in those areas in which it is lagging behind and this is a possible threat to the South Caucasus.

            Yes, the DPRK is somehow coping normally, we can help them with air defense or aviation, but in the near future they have nothing to supply - they desperately need to
          2. -1
            19 September 2023 08: 40
            Quote: Arkadich
            Where is the guarantee that sooner or later it won’t deliver? The question depends on what supplies, at whose expense the banquet will be.

            Already supplied - 155 mm. shells, ordered by the USA for used ones. They resisted, but they delivered, and most likely they intend to continue. So the supply of ammunition to us by the UK is an aberration of what has already been done by their southern neighbors.

            Quote: Arkadich
            Thinking that YK will be verbally indignant, but there will be no serious movements.

            There will definitely be no free deliveries or “on credit”. But if the United States puts pressure and orders are paid, they will deliver. But their industry is powerful and their factories are fresh... unlike European and American ones.
            1. +1
              19 September 2023 19: 58
              Quote: bayard
              But their industry is powerful and their factories are fresh... unlike European and American ones.

              Who told you this? Have you been to many European and American factories and South Korean ones to make such statements?)) And what are “fresh factories”? Are these the ones that were recently built? So many factories in Europe are over 100 years old, but this does not mean that the inside is like 100 years ago.
              1. 0
                20 September 2023 05: 13
                Quote: karabas-barabas
                ) And what are “fresh plants”? Are these the ones that were recently built?

                Yes - these are new factories, working (!) factories, factories with orders and ready-made orders to be fulfilled without unnecessary delays. In recent years, South Korea has produced a whole line of the most modern military equipment - tanks, self-propelled guns, infantry fighting vehicles. And for them, accordingly - ammunition. These are WORKING factories. Unlike the USA and Europe. There is no need for additional capital investments and the search for personnel to restart production.
                Therefore, the South Caucasus can make a very serious contribution to supplying the Armed Forces of Ukraine with everything necessary for war with a minimum time lag. And this must be taken into account.
                No, it is unlikely that it will be possible to prevent such deliveries, but it is necessary to keep them in mind and take them into account in your own calculations and plans.
                Quote: karabas-barabas
                many factories in Europe are over 100 years old, but this does not mean that the inside is like 100 years ago.

                Have they been working for the last 10-20 years? What percentage of power? Are they staffed? Do they have the resources to quickly resume production?
                As far as I know, Europe has big problems launching its own military-industrial complex and specifically ammunition. Their arsenals are empty due to supplies to/from, but the industry cannot even more or less replenish its own arsenals, let alone ensure supplies of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And businesses are ready to invest money in expanding and restarting their production in this sector ONLY under the guarantee of long-term orders for a certain future, so that their investments pay off and make a profit.
                For 1,5+ years, the military-industrial complex has not been launched in Europe. And in the USA too. They are simply clearing out their own warehouses. Remember what a circus they had when they had to restart the production of MANPADS.
                1. 0
                  25 September 2023 21: 57
                  Quote: bayard
                  Yes - these are new factories, working (!) factories, factories with orders and ready-made orders to be fulfilled without unnecessary delays.

                  South Korea is of course very close to the level of Europe, the USA and Japan, but not yet at the same level. What do you mean by “quickly and without delay”? And what kind of “delays” can there be in Western Europe and the USA with their mechanical engineering and metalworking infrastructure? Give the order only. And orders are coming, or do you think only the South Korean military-industrial complex is working? Take a look at the latest weapons of 32 NATO countries, are there many Korean tanks and infantry fighting vehicles there?
                  Quote: bayard
                  These are WORKING factories. Unlike the USA and Europe. There is no need for additional capital investments and the search for personnel to restart production.

                  You have very mediocre ideas about the arms production process. What kind of “restart of production”? Firstly, production there never stopped, but only in very small batches for a major war. Secondly, if you were in the know, you knew what the European and American infrastructure of mechanical engineering and metalworking is, you would understand how difficult it is to get some contractors to supply blanks for projectiles, for others to plan shell casings, for others to produce fuses, and for others collect it all. And this has been done for a long time, the most famous American plant for the production of 155mm has increased its production by sixfold, where the money is, they organize deliveries. And by the way, google all the latest weapons packages and lists, see how many armored personnel carriers were transferred to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Keep in mind that 155mm high-precision ones save dozens of regular ones. And also keep in mind that the Americans have enough of these 155mm cassette cartridges for 3 MV, there are millions in their warehouses.
                  Quote: bayard
                  Have they been working for the last 10-20 years? What percentage of power? Are they staffed? Do they have the resources to quickly resume production?

                  They have worked, are working and will continue to work. Because their products are in huge demand all over the world. You don't understand one thing. There are concerns and military-industrial complex factories that belong to them, where they make “end products”, all sorts of activities unnecessary for the military-industrial complex, such as metallurgy, blanks, blanks, right down to finished parts, have long been transferred to the civilian sector of mechanical engineering and metalworking (and of course optics, electronics, hydraulics, electrical, engine building). And when there is a need to increase the production of weapons, orders are distributed to contractors. For example, Germany alone produces about 3 million cars a year, imagine what a network of contractors there is around. You simply have the wrong idea about Europe and the USA, as if everything there is standing still and somehow breathing.
                  Quote: bayard
                  Their arsenals are empty due to supplies to/from, but the industry cannot even more or less replenish its own arsenals, let alone ensure supplies of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

                  Where did you get this from? Look how many Palladins, Abrams, Bradleys, F-16s, F-15s, F-14s the US has, not to mention the M113s, Humvees and others at storage bases! The same is true in European databases. You are simply confusing standard weapons + reserves of NATO countries, which of course were greatly reduced until 2014, and after that they did not particularly increase storage bases, which are usually transferred from the Defense Ministry to private owners. For example, I can say for sure that about 10 years ago, about 1000 Marders were in such a private storage base, waiting for their fate to go on needles. I’m not at all sure that all 1000 were distributed. The West is trying to help Ukraine in such a way as not to particularly strain its budget and combat capability, or at least this has been the case so far. But prolonging the war means for them to still take measures, and they take these measures. They were nervous for a long time about long-range missiles and aircraft, but they still decided to supply them, and this would greatly relieve the load on the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ artillery. CR is already being used in full and it is very painful. You see for yourself all the madness of this war regarding the use of artillery, which replaces aviation on both sides, and if the Ukrainians receive the F-16 Block 52, Gripens and Mirages, they will acquire an air force with powerful strike capabilities on the ground. The whole danger of the F-16 and others like it is in the AFAR, which sees equally well both on the ground and, what distinguishes it from the PFAR, it sees well missile launchers, helicopters, attack aircraft flying low above the ground, and the air itself, of course. And of course, these planes have huge arsenals of all kinds of bombs and missiles, mostly high-precision ones. So the supply of ammunition is ongoing and in the near future the Ukrainian Armed Forces will have additional strike capabilities, which will greatly reduce the intensity of the use of artillery.
                  Quote: bayard
                  For 1,5+ years, the military-industrial complex has not been launched in Europe. And in the USA too. They are simply clearing out their own warehouses. Remember what a circus they had when they had to restart the production of MANPADS.

                  I won’t repeat myself about the “restart” of the military-industrial complex. But firstly, the air defense system is a very high-tech and expensive weapon and complex, which is why it’s so easy to rivet. Do you think similar systems are being made quickly in the Russian Federation? But I would not hope for a “circus” and that everything is done there with the same speed and processes as in the Russian Federation, nevertheless, quite a lot of time has passed since some media wrote about the circus. Of course, I don’t know how things are with the production of air defense systems now, but hardly anyone knows for sure now. But again, if there is a need, then there are funds and resources to expand production. And in the end, you compare with the capabilities of the Russian Federation how much the military-industrial complex is able to replenish ammunition and equipment losses.
          3. +1
            19 September 2023 15: 30
            Well, on the other hand, South Korea:
            1. supplies weapons that kill our people.
            2. Supports sanctions against the Russian Federation.

            What is the problem with SKorea, is that it will sell something in the Russian Federation?
          4. 0
            19 September 2023 20: 36
            South Caucasus supplies armored vehicles to Poland, and generally cooperates very closely in the military sphere.
        2. +2
          18 September 2023 18: 30
          Yuks cannot have their own opinions) just like the Japanese! This is the owner's land! And the owners are overseas
      2. +8
        18 September 2023 06: 32
        I wonder if the South Caucasus will fulfill its threat to start supplying arms to Ukraine

        According to media reports, the Republic of Korea has been indirectly supplying shells to Ukraine since last year. These are deliveries to Poland complete with K9 self-propelled guns. When the United States removed 155 mm shells from its warehouses in South Korea and Israel, the Koreans had to replenish the removed shells in American warehouses. Last summer, deliveries to Canada at cost of 100 000 mm shells, to replace those sent by Canada to Ukraine. The contract for the supply of MANPADS and ammunition to a certain Czech company for $155 billion with subsequent free transfer to Ukraine was to be paid for by the United States. In April of this year, 2 500 mm shells were delivered to the United States.
        South Korea will not supply arms and ammunition to Ukraine in commercial quantities free of charge. And he has been delivering for money for over a year now, but not under direct contracts.
        what if SK starts its deliveries?

        It seems that Budanov said that they have been delivering for a month and a half. The “shell famine” that Prigozhin and Strelkov spoke about has not been heard for a long time. The ammunition problem has actually already been solved, but for some reason everyone continues to suck it up. The DPRK is accused of living by the behests of the 50s of the last century, but at the same time they believe that it will bargain with Russia for money. The USSR supplied weapons to the DPRK free of charge during the war and after it. And it is quite natural that the DPRK supplies ammunition and weapons to Russia for free, which does not contradict the UN Security Council sanctions, which state that arms trade with the DPRK is prohibited. The purpose of this ban is to prevent the receipt of funds for the development of a nuclear missile program, which actually threatens the United States. Before the sanctions, North Korea’s military exports were estimated at $2 billion; now those $2 billion would be worth $10-20 billion.
        1. +3
          19 September 2023 20: 31
          Quote: smart fellow
          which Prigozhin and Strelkov broadcast has not been heard for a long time.

          How can I tell you? Prigozhin and Strelkov themselves have been heard noticeably less lately.
      3. +1
        18 September 2023 09: 55
        In fact, the South Caucasus decided not to supply their equipment so that the Russian Federation would not be supplied to the DPRK. There was no talk about supplies from the DPRK
        1. +5
          18 September 2023 13: 05
          The South Caucasus supplies shells and weapons to those countries that sent their weapons to Ukraine. This is already indirect participation
      4. 0
        18 September 2023 16: 16
        Seoul has already handed over more than 1000000 shells of 155 mm caliber to Kyiv since February
        1. -1
          19 September 2023 20: 29
          Quote: Vyacheslav Boyko
          1000000 shells, 155 mm caliber, Seoul, handed over to Kyiv since February

          As far as I know, not a single Korean shell was seen there. Another thing is that South Korea supplies shells to NATO countries according to a circular supply scheme.
      5. -3
        19 September 2023 18: 00
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        I wonder if the South Caucasus will fulfill its threat to start supplying arms to Ukraine if the UK starts its deliveries?

        Does YK need this? The United States is holding back the development of South Korea more harshly, inventively and systematically than it is holding back the development of Russia. South Korean business is penetrating into Central Asia precisely under the protection of the Russian armed forces and special forces. In Afghanistan, where Russia's hands were tied after the US entered the country, US intelligence services, with the help of agents they hired, kidnapped a delegation from South Korea, killed several members of this delegation, and kept the rest locked up in the center of Kabul for several months. Moreover, the Afghans showed the Russian citizens a zindan in which the unfortunate Korean women were locked. It’s interesting that the lock on the door of the Korean women’s prison was similar to the simplest lock from the Cheboksary plant. Before the start of the North Military District, Putin sent troops into Kazakhstan not so much to protect the leadership of this country and protect Russian interests as to protect the business of South Korean companies from a pogrom after the success of the rebels. In addition, South Korea has an excellent chance to reduce South Korean arsenals. If it needs economic development, it can carry out economic expansion in Central Asia, Afghanistan, and the DPRK, where it is problematic for the United States to interfere with this development.
    3. 0
      20 September 2023 03: 41
      The DPRK also has longer-range systems that we need now! The whole question is why have we never lifted sanctions on real allies?
  2. +21
    18 September 2023 04: 43
    Almost everything related to relations with North Korea is in the nature of rumors. One less, one more. From rumors to action is even further than from conversations.
    And in order to shoot at 200 kilometers, you need to have reconnaissance at 220 kilometers. Is she there? Comparing what shoots next without taking everything else into account is like measuring with your pussy - you need to see where to shoot. See and promptly supply artillery battalion commanders with this data.
    1. +3
      18 September 2023 05: 23
      hi Yes, of course, there are always rumors. But the fact is that on the basis of Soviet achievements, the North Koreans created their own design school, which developed continuously. It is also a huge plus that there was no predatory privatization and destruction and repurposing of defense enterprises.
      It will be very interesting to see what rumors come true.
      1. +4
        18 September 2023 10: 17
        The point is that the Koreans and Chinese are very disciplined guys. Give them the order and the means. They'll do anything
        Singapore and Taiwan are absolutely sweet, and what electronics they have! It's just a song
        1. 0
          18 September 2023 11: 25
          Quote from Vik. K
          The point is that the Koreans and Chinese are very disciplined guys. ....

          hi And also hardworking, steadfastly enduring hardships. The war is not over for them, they are preparing. What will happen when the southerners win (which both the states and the yuppies fear)?? Will ----
          Quote from Vik. K
          .....they have electronics! It's just a song
    2. +4
      18 September 2023 05: 24
      And in order to shoot at 200 kilometers, you need to have reconnaissance at 220 kilometers. Is she there?

      This is relevant for the Russian army. The northerners have detailed maps and satellite images of South Korea, as well as an extensive network of agents (this is an assumption, but it would be strange if it did not exist). In addition to this, they are making active attempts to launch a reconnaissance satellite and, if not this year, then next year they will definitely launch it. The satellite can also be used to guide missiles, incl. for MLRS KN-09. Launch reconnaissance satellite is named among the priority tasks, along with the design of nuclear submarines and solid propellant ICBMs (completed, Hwaseong-18). This task is included in the list of goals that were approved at the Eighth Congress of the Workers' Party of Korea in January 2021.
      1. +4
        18 September 2023 05: 45
        Quote: smart fellow
        And in order to shoot at 200 kilometers, you need to have reconnaissance at 220 kilometers. Is she there?

        This is relevant for the Russian army. The northerners have detailed maps and satellite images of South Korea, as well as an extensive network of agents (this is an assumption, but it would be strange if it did not exist).

        Why the North Koreans don’t need this. All of their MLRS are designed to strike Seoul.
        1. +4
          18 September 2023 08: 36
          This is a very common mistake, voiced by experts such as Asmolov and Lankov. The Blue House, the US Embassy, ​​the US military base and other military installations were officially declared targets for the KPA in Seoul. For this reason, the South Koreans built a new US base, away from the DMZ and out of range of enemy artillery. The KPA did not intend to fire on residential areas and never stated that it would do so. As you know, the same people live on both sides of the DMZ and it is unclear why the northerners need to kill civilians of the same nationality as them and who once lived in the same country with them called Joseon (now the name of the DPRK is Joseon Minjujui Inmin Konhwaguk) . The DPRK has a committee for the unification of Korea, and the Republic of Korea has a ministry for the unification of Korea. Those. The official goal of both sides is the unification of the country, and not the murder of civilians.
          All of their MLRS are designed to strike Seoul.

          600 mm MLRS (KN-25) should disable military air bases and airfields in South Korea to a depth of 380 km (at greater depths they will use ballistic missiles with a range of 500-800 km).
      2. 0
        20 September 2023 03: 44
        The exchange of technologies via satellite was the main topic of Kim III’s visit to us! They will do the rest for us themselves...
    3. +12
      18 September 2023 05: 43
      200 km is already reconnaissance from Google maps. 200 km - this is an MLRS from Crimea covering the Odessa port, this is flying from Energodar through the Kremenchug oil refinery, this is from the territory of Belarus to Boryspil (they say the patriots are stationed there), this is a bunch of Ukrainian airfields for daily breaking up the runway.
    4. +4
      18 September 2023 17: 41
      And in order to shoot at 200 kilometers, you need to have reconnaissance at 220 kilometers. Is she there?

      Exactly. I found the proposals in a recent article by Alexander Timokhin much more interesting. About the consolidation into one artillery brigade of diverse weapons covering all ranges, reconnaissance means, and units with loitering ammunition. And the use of this artillery unit to solve specific tasks assigned to them.
    5. 0
      18 September 2023 21: 40
      Galleon, there may not be much technical intelligence, but no one has canceled intelligence intelligence.
  3. 0
    18 September 2023 04: 55
    Putin once said about everything that you can’t fight much with someone else’s weapons. so most likely these are rumors. Well, or you can plan no further than 3 months.
  4. 0
    18 September 2023 05: 01
    They will only show the possibility of autocratically establishing and rewriting the rules of the game (death).
    We won't even intimidate you. Let us give you a gentle hint. I would like...
    We already pay the price. We won't get Chelsea back. And for yourself? Roma A’s money is not the Kostroma budget
  5. +1
    18 September 2023 05: 26
    The more guns, shells and missiles for our army, the better. At least some, even American (trophy) ones.
    1. 0
      18 September 2023 13: 11
      If only to use them as disposable ones. They will not be subject to repair, and confusion with shells and calibers will complicate logistics. It may also turn out that you are relying on the flank, but at that moment it has run out of shells of the required caliber
  6. +7
    18 September 2023 05: 30
    Western countries should rejoice, because these missiles do not fall on the hard-working and useful Koreans, but on the poor Ukrainians, who are of no use except to fight with Russia.
  7. 0
    18 September 2023 06: 25
    Mi-6 claims that Russia will begin production of a Korean missile system known as the KN-09
    Apparently, MI6 does not hesitate to use rumors on the basis of which their analysts draw their conclusions. Organizing production requires a lot of time; it is easier then to purchase a batch for testing. And the fact that the DPRK has well-developed cannon and rocket artillery is a fact that greatly worries the Koreans from the south.
    1. 0
      19 September 2023 19: 47
      "With reference to sources in British intelligence they write" -
      Are there any links to British scientists?
    2. +1
      19 September 2023 20: 20
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And the fact that the DPRK has well-developed cannon and rocket artillery is a fact that greatly worries the Koreans from the south

      Well developed in what sense, numerically? The PRC's metallurgy is very far from that of South Korea, or Europe, America, and what kind of metallurgy and level of metal processing in the DPRK can you easily imagine, where will modern art or MLRS come from? Seoul is located right on the border with the DPRK and thousands of guns and MLRS are pointed at it, which naturally cannot but worry the South Koreans, even if all these guns and missiles are from the 50s-60s. But if the leader of the DPRK goes crazy and starts a war with his neighbors, then everything larger than the UAZ will be destroyed in a short time by the South Koreans and Americans; they have enough forces and equipment there for this.
      1. 0
        26 September 2023 07: 32
        How do you know what kind of metallurgy there is? The fact that lovers of world democracy tell everyone that it is worse there than in Mordor and the ability to start a fire with high technology does not make their words true, and if you know the level of development of metallurgy in this country, then I even envy you, what kind of intelligence service are you working for?
  8. +5
    18 September 2023 06: 47
    Well, why be shy, you have to take it! 30 countries are helping them and everyone is happy, but we will again listen to who says what?
  9. +1
    18 September 2023 07: 27
    “Mi-6 claims that production of a Korean missile system known as KN-09 will be launched in Russia. For this, it is allegedly planned to conclude a special agreement and build a production site.” Why?

    You need to buy from the DPRK, use their factories and warehouses in addition to Russian ones. And if you build in Russia, that means you need time and workers. And if you take it from the DPRK right now from warehouses and factories, then this is in addition!

    Also: doesn’t the DPRK Armed Forces want combat experience? Send 8-10 divisions to the Northern Military District zone and let them practice their skills there.
  10. +9
    18 September 2023 07: 37
    Why did Russia, almost the birthplace of the MLRS, find itself behind everyone else in this matter?
    1. +15
      18 September 2023 08: 09
      Because the Soviet Union died, and Russia, a country of traders, reformed its education system. You can't live your whole life on land
      1. 0
        19 September 2023 17: 20
        The education system has nothing to do with it; adjustable missiles for MLRS have long been developed here, but the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this at all and it was intended only for export. The RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in weapons of destruction, you can’t carry them around in parades, Iskander with calibers are still going back and forth, and who can you impress with UMPC or accurate RZSO on the paving stones?
    2. +5
      18 September 2023 08: 39
      The abyss of the nineties. For twenty years there was no particular development in the field of artillery (and not only in it). The only new Russian version is “Coalition”, and there seem to have been small modernizations of the current MLRS.
      1. +2
        18 September 2023 21: 29
        Optics, you shouldn’t read Ryabov, but look at the performance characteristics of these “small” upgrades. Questions will disappear)
        1. +3
          19 September 2023 06: 11
          Savage, I read Ryabov very rarely, partly because, in principle, I rarely look here, partly because, after reading a couple of his articles and the comments under them, I realized all the “value” of his materials. I’ll try to get acquainted with the performance characteristics of these machines in more detail (with what is available in open sources, of course).
          But if we take barrel artillery, then there is a certain lag due to that very “abyss of the nineties”? Not long ago I was interested in the range of domestic artillery systems, and it turns out that the same “777” can only reach “Hyacinths” and “Coalitions” at a long distance. I don’t know much about the former, but I know that there are few of the latter. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
          1. 0
            19 September 2023 08: 42
            Greetings. About RSZO. Our 300mm guided projectile flies 120 km. But there is a warhead of 150 kg. Koreans have 70. Hymaris probably has 40 kg. What's the big deal in terms of range, by changing the warhead and control program, you can get at least 250.

            About 777. This is a howitzer. It has a normal projectile range of 22 km. About 25 km, I think. Only we don’t have satellite-controlled ones. This is how the 777 shoots at 36 and this is further than ours, except for the coalition.

            And of course it’s true about the art. Left behind.
          2. 0
            19 September 2023 08: 42
            Greetings. About RSZO. Our 300mm guided projectile flies 120 km. But there is a warhead of 150 kg. Koreans have 70. Hymaris probably has 40 kg. What's the big deal in terms of range, by changing the warhead and control program, you can get at least 250.

            About 777. This is a howitzer. It has a normal projectile range of 22 km. About 25 km, I think. Only we don’t have satellite-controlled ones. This is how the 777 shoots at 36 and this is further than ours, except for the coalition.

            And of course it’s true about the art. Left behind.
            1. 0
              19 September 2023 17: 33
              The tornado has a warhead of almost 250 kilos, the Koreans have 190, so the difference is not so great. The Chinese have long been sending their rockets, also made on the basis of tornadoes, to the entire 300 km. It's just that if you don't do anything, nothing will happen.
              1. 0
                19 September 2023 19: 37
                Alexoff, the 5m544 warhead has 150 kg. Koreans weigh no more than 70 kg. Hence the long range. There are no miracles. Chemical fuels in Russia are much better.
    3. +1
      18 September 2023 21: 31
      Beaver, I'll answer. Because you revered Ryabov and took him at face value, but he doesn’t know the topic. Open the Internet. The same military information. An excellent resource on technology.
  11. +1
    18 September 2023 09: 09
    I wanted to look at the logistics of their use in the conditions of the Northern Military District
  12. +4
    18 September 2023 10: 28
    As far as I understand, we have not lifted sanctions against the DPRK. Therefore, we will not simply stupidly purchase these systems. This is very bad, because The “invention” of some kind of Tornado-SM will take precious time. The question arises: what prevented us from establishing cooperation a year ago? Somehow this incessant “chewing of snot” is annoying. People are dying at the front, and the Western military-industrial complex is also not sleeping - it is increasing its production of weapons.
    1. +5
      18 September 2023 21: 23
      Actually you didn't understand. The author of the article is not in the subject about the performance characteristics of tornado missiles and the DPRK. Writes nonsense.
  13. +2
    18 September 2023 10: 29
    It is assumed that Korean engineers had access to the Soviet/Russian Smerch system or to Chinese designs,

    Hardly. Then both Russia and China complied with the UN sanctions for which they themselves voted.
    To ensure the required firing accuracy over the entire range of ranges, the KN-09 missile is equipped with control devices. According to various sources, trajectory correction is used based on signals from satellite navigation systems, probably GLONASS and Beidou.

    This is absolutely impossible. The author does not understand that the DPRK, especially during the period of sanctions, has never made weapons that depend on another state for their use.
    The KN-09 has inertial navigation and when very high accuracy is needed, homing is added.
  14. +3
    18 September 2023 11: 15
    Buy complexes? Expensive and slow. Build a factory? Even more expensive and slower. It's easier to buy technologies to improve Smerch and Tornado missiles. Upgrading ammunition is cheaper and faster. And no squeals about the “arms trade” under sanctions.
    1. +7
      18 September 2023 12: 00
      Quote: Yuras_Belarus
      It's easier to buy technologies to improve Smerch and Tornado missiles.

      Interesting article, and even more interesting comments laughing
      For some reason, everyone immediately decided that, although not “backward”, but also not the world leader in rocket science and high-precision complexes, the DPRK, ten years ago, was suddenly able to “cut down” a “super-duperwunderwunderwaffle” MLRS that was twice as superior in all respects to both the “Chimera” and “Tornado” " laughing
      At the same time, all the arguments in the article, both from the author and from third-party sources, are purely speculative in nature, in the category of “one old lady said” and “written on water with a pitchfork.”
      Nobody knows the real characteristics except the North Koreans and maybe a couple more people.
      But everyone is already confident in the mega-abilities of this superweapon request
      1. Uno
        -1
        18 September 2023 20: 01
        Well, speaking in facts, what can the DPRK offer to strengthen Russia? Well, in fact, nothing except ammunition for artillery pieces. Here, of course, everyone saw the conditional performance characteristics and thought that 200 km was very good. But in fact it will be an ordinary Tornado or Hurricane that shoots somewhere towards the enemy
        1. +1
          18 September 2023 21: 16
          Uno, hey, there's satellite guidance. Have you heard of this? And in tornado and natkorean.
    2. +1
      18 September 2023 21: 21
      Belarus, what technologies? Who? DPRK? You must be kidding???
  15. +3
    18 September 2023 11: 28
    If North Korea starts supplying us with massive supplies of shells, MLRS and howitzers, it will be just great. We can also help them in a lot of ways rather than pumping grain to blacks.
    In this war with Ukraine, the only Ukrainian thing is people, everything else has long been Western and NATO, and given for free, as long as they kill Russians, so we need to more actively attract the power of our allies, from equipment to people.
    South Korea already supplies shells to Ukraine, in addition to contracts for many hundreds of MLRS, howitzers, tanks, etc. for the Polish army only a fool will be deceived, otherwise in peacetime Poland plans to maintain and train hundreds of brigades of rocket and howitzer artillery + dozens of deployed tank and infantry brigades, etc. The laws of economics are well known. Against whom and what are these weapons being purchased? And with whose money? The answer is obvious, so sentiments like - oh, what will they say in the UK can be left, they have already said a year ago and very specifically.
    In general, I’m still surprised at Russia’s patience - there are only 140 million of us, and economically and in terms of people we are losing to the united West by 10 times or more, so it’s high time to test nuclear weapons and if they don’t understand, then use tactical nuclear weapons on the border with Poland, along the same Beskydy tunnel that What's the point of fighting with your fists against the crowd?
    1. 0
      18 September 2023 21: 14
      Do you think with your head what you are saying? We don't need anything other than shells. And there is no point in purchasing backward Korean products.
      1. 0
        19 September 2023 10: 28
        I do, but do you think with your head when you write that you don’t need anything other than shells? And what is Korean - backward?
        1. -1
          19 September 2023 21: 00
          Barbiturate, what advanced things did you see in the DPRK? Will you tell me?
          1. +1
            21 September 2023 14: 47
            This is too general a question, we were talking about the KN 09 MLRS and what is backward about it? The range is stated to be up to 220 km, the mass of the warhead is 190 kg, which is indicated in many sources, correction according to Glonass and Chinese Beidou, what’s bad?
            Do you think that the Koreans and the Chinese (and obviously their ears are sticking out here) cannot create a good MLRS? Can't beat Smerch's parameters? Ours stomped around for a long time and degraded while others developed.
            So the Koreans can provide MLRS with excellent reach and GPS accuracy + provide a product on a truly industrial scale (tens and hundreds of MLRS and tens of thousands of missiles). With their help, we can massively cover railway stations with military trains and all sorts of power stations, bridges and locations with warehouses at a range of 200+ km, where previously we could only operate with single Iskanders.
            1. -1
              22 September 2023 22: 33
              Barbiturate, range 220 km and 190 kg warhead? Where did you get this information???

              A system with guided missiles is no longer a multiple rocket launcher. It works single. Or for several purposes. Two Iskanders or 4 can fire in one gulp - this does not make them multiple rocket launchers.

              And yes, the Iskander carries 500 kg of warheads, both monoblock and cassette parts, so it alone will replace the entire MLRS.

              And on 5M544 and others you can install not 150 kg warhead, but 100 kg. And it will fly the entire 250 km.

              I repeat - there is no 190 kg warhead on Korean garbage.

              No, this cannot happen.
              1. 0
                23 September 2023 14: 41
                Information from open sources - Google. For example
                https://rg.ru/2023/07/26/smertonosnye-i-dalnobojnye-kndr-obladaet-odnimi-iz-luchshih-v-mire-rszo.html
                “For example, KN-09 multiple launch rocket systems, capable of hitting 220 km. Their caliber is 300 mm. The weight of the warhead is 190 kg.

                Guidance is inertial, and data from navigation satellites is also used to improve hit accuracy.

                In addition, there is a 600-mm KN-25 MLRS of “super-large caliber”. Thus, during tests in August 2019, such missiles flew about 380 kilometers and reached an altitude of 97 kilometers. Their length, according to some estimates, is 8,2 m, weight - 3000 kg."

                Or the Korean and English Wikipedias report directly with links to knowledgeable South Koreans
                South Korea estimates the 300 mm rockets have a range of 180–200 km (110–120 mi)[3] with a 190 kg (420 lb) payload,[8]

                The mass of the explosive in the warhead is approximately 75 kg (not the mass of the warhead, as you say, but the mass of the explosive!!!), but again, who knows for sure? The North Koreans don't tell anyone anything.
                The warhead of our Smerchs is about 240 kg, but how much explosive does it contain? Again, there are also cassette warheads... so in essence they contain the same 75-100 kg of explosives.
                Well, how do MLRS work...for example - a satellite detected the arrival of military trains at a railway station 150 km from the front line? How to get it? Iskander? I think that if the North Koreans give us such MLRS en masse, it would be the same with a divisional salvo, so that several dozen missiles could immediately destroy a railway station (for example) with the enemy with HIGH accuracy. Why use them one at a time? It’s easier to automatically enter the type of target - area, square with a side of 200m (for example) and the missiles themselves will scatter to the required distance, although these are already details.
                The same Americans fire at us with packets of Highmars and often several vehicles at once. And their missiles are jewel-precise, indescribable and expensive, but they fire in batches.
    2. -1
      19 September 2023 20: 52
      Therefore, it’s high time to test nuclear weapons and if they don’t understand, then use tactical nuclear weapons on the border with Poland, along the same Beskydy tunnel, what’s the point of fighting with your fists against the crowd?

      No need to lie, the crowd means that NATO troops themselves are not participating in the conflict while the Ukrainian Armed Forces are participating, and NATO is only supplying weapons. This is not the case for nuclear power.
      Secondly, the nuclear weapon will not frighten, but will lead to the destruction of humanity.
      1. 0
        21 September 2023 18: 10
        No need, so don’t lie. Troops are not only infantry! NATO fully provides Ukraine with everything it needs, from intelligence to food and underpants. In addition, in the most indirect way he is engaged in reconnaissance, planning strikes and aiming weapons at Russian targets, and provides these weapons themselves - where are the Ukrainians anyway? Only on the front line with a machine gun.
        Secondly, it is the nuclear bomb that is scary, otherwise Russia would have been divided long ago. So your logic is lame - it can be destroyed, but that’s not scary
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    1. -1
      18 September 2023 19: 52
      TODAY AT 16:05
      A military expert spoke about the possible fate of the missing F-35B fighter
      The F-35B, currently wanted by the US, can fly hundreds of miles without a pilot.
      He believes that the plane will fall somewhere on the coast. The expert hopes that nothing bad will happen.
      Waiting for a car in Korea
  17. 0
    18 September 2023 11: 45
    300 mm and length approx. 7,5-8 mm and can have a mass of up to 800-900 kg
    what a super-massive damn thing it turns out to be laughing
  18. 0
    18 September 2023 12: 00
    I don’t understand. Why do we need such a system? If it’s quite possible to take only missiles? Why not ensure our own production? Again, everything is the same with Tornado-S, which was developed as a response to the Chimeras. But for some reason they didn’t bring it to fruition.
    1. 0
      18 September 2023 21: 13
      What was not completed? These missiles have been in use for a long time and are killing the Nazis. There are simply few of them. Our generals did not consider it a weapon.
  19. 0
    18 September 2023 12: 18
    For South Korea, such a weapon is a 24/7 pain in the ass. The Seoul agglomeration of more than 25 million people is all in the affected area of ​​these complexes, the flight time is tens of seconds or a couple of minutes. It’s hard to shoot down, a 100 kg warhead arrives, it’s tough. It’s a pity that our engineers haven’t succeeded yet; 100 km and 200 km are a big difference. We need to buy, through barter, for example, for wheat, don’t care about sanctions, everything has already been introduced, but at the front, oh how it will help.
    1. 0
      18 September 2023 21: 05
      Not 100, but 70. This is the first. Our 5M544 flies 120 km. And carries 140 kg!!! 140, Karl) and not a measly 70.

      Have you read Ryabov or what? He doesn't know the topic
  20. 0
    18 September 2023 12: 53
    The practical use of the DPRK MLRS will demonstrate to the imperialists the power of the weapons of the heirs of Comrade Kim Yer Sung.
    It will be interesting to see the practical application of 600 mm caliber systems.
    The DPRK's most important weapon is its people; the DPRK's special forces are a terrible force.
  21. +2
    18 September 2023 15: 52
    Well, I think it has begun. North Korea has surpassed the American Himars in terms of characteristics. But just recently, analysts wrote that at military parades they carry dummies of ballistic missiles
    1. +1
      18 September 2023 21: 04
      She didn't overtake anyone. ) stop making things up.
  22. 0
    18 September 2023 16: 27
    Why do Russian missiles have a shorter range? Because industrialists and the military, with mutual consent, armed the army, the easier it was. The military could have demanded something else, but it was more convenient for them to get what they had.
    1. 0
      18 September 2023 21: 03
      Because you need to learn the materiel and read the technical specifications of the missiles) and it doesn’t work, questions.
  23. +3
    18 September 2023 16: 28
    Quote: Adrey
    At the same time, all the arguments in the article, both from the author and from third-party sources, are purely speculative in nature, in the category of “one old lady said” and “written on water with a pitchfork.”

    This is the grandmother who said that this was the technical intelligence of the United States and South Korea who observed the testing of both 300 mm and 600 mm MLRS.
    They flew dozens of times, along different trajectories, and hit one island measuring 100 by 50 meters.
    The inertial control system of these RSs has long been improved in the DPRK, at least since the 80s.
    If it guarantees good accuracy over thousands of kilometers, it will be even more accurate at 200 and 400 kilometers.
  24. 0
    18 September 2023 17: 42
    Even the North Koreans, while under sanctions, achieved a range of 200 km for their MLRS missiles.
    What does NPO Splav JSC do?!
    1. -3
      18 September 2023 21: 01
      Sergey, you should first study the performance characteristics of the missiles before talking like that. And don’t read Ryabov. Everything will become clear to you. ) twister/tornado is better.
      1. -1
        20 September 2023 06: 08
        Sergey, you should first study the performance characteristics of the missiles before talking like that.

        I've studied it for a long time.

        Everything will become clear to you.

        It is clear to me that the North Koreans, while under sanctions, were able to create missiles for their MLRS that exceed our missiles in range. 200 km versus 120 km.
        1. -1
          21 September 2023 02: 45
          Yeah, 200 versus 120... yes. Only their warhead is 70 kg maximum, versus ours 150 kg. Reduce the warhead by 5m544 to 70-80 kg and we will have a range of 250. We have better fuel.
    2. -2
      18 September 2023 21: 02
      Sergey, you should first study the performance characteristics of the missiles before talking like that. And don’t read Ryabov. Everything will become clear to you. ) twister/tornado is better.
      1. 0
        20 September 2023 06: 01
        twister/tornado is better.

        What's better?!
        ____________________________________________
        1. -1
          21 September 2023 02: 46
          Our warhead weighs 150 kg. This is not a measly 40 kg for Haimaris and 70 for the Koreans.
  25. +1
    18 September 2023 17: 46
    The North Korean 600 mm KN-25 would be useful to us too!
    1. 0
      19 September 2023 10: 05
      According to the world classification of large-caliber MLRS, this is up to 500mm inclusive, then OTRK, although the KN-25 missile itself is 500mm, and 600mm is the internal diameter of the TPK...
  26. +1
    18 September 2023 18: 25
    Do North Korean MLRS really have such a range? They just took it and made a missile with a range 2-3 times greater than that of the Russian (Soviet) ones. Well, then let them make their own plane at least 3rd generation! With your own aircraft engine!
    To deceive the enemy, to show your strength where there is none - this is what they say in those parts, very close to Korea. The mentality is the same.
    1. +1
      18 September 2023 19: 03
      They just took it and made a missile with a range 2-3 times greater than the Russian ones


      Not only Russian ones. It turns out better than both American and Chinese!

      There is only one problem - no one knows the exact performance characteristics, the North Koreans have classified everything.
      All performance characteristics data are estimates of South Korean military experts, and they may be wrong.
    2. -5
      18 September 2023 20: 57
      A novel, a feature in the mass of warheads. The tornado fires at a controlled range of 120 km and carries a 150 kg warhead. But the Korean 70 kg for 180-200 km is not a fact yet. There is no secret. It's simple.

      Tornado/Tornado is the most advanced system in the world.
  27. +3
    18 September 2023 18: 58
    According to known data, KN-09 is capable of sending missiles to a distance of 180-200 km


    These data are approximate estimates from the South Korean military.
    The exact performance characteristics (range, warhead weight, CEP) are still unknown, since everything is terribly classified in the DPRK.
  28. +1
    18 September 2023 19: 32
    Before spreading rumors, turn your head on - why do we need North Korean junk?
    1. +1
      18 September 2023 20: 55
      The resource is degrading since such authors are allowed here. He doesn’t even know the technical characteristics of the tornado or what kind of missiles he has.
  29. 0
    18 September 2023 20: 50
    Quote: Adrey
    Quote: Yuras_Belarus
    It's easier to buy technologies to improve Smerch and Tornado missiles.

    Interesting article, and even more interesting comments laughing
    For some reason, everyone immediately decided that, although not “backward”, but also not the world leader in rocket science and high-precision complexes, the DPRK, ten years ago, was suddenly able to “cut down” a “super-duperwunderwunderwaffle” MLRS that was twice as superior in all respects to both the “Chimera” and “Tornado” " laughing
    At the same time, all the arguments in the article, both from the author and from third-party sources, are purely speculative in nature, in the category of “one old lady said” and “written on water with a pitchfork.”
    Nobody knows the real characteristics except the North Koreans and maybe a couple more people.
    But everyone is already confident in the mega-abilities of this superweapon request

    Quote from Uno
    Well, speaking in facts, what can the DPRK offer to strengthen Russia? Well, in fact, nothing except ammunition for artillery pieces. Here, of course, everyone saw the conditional performance characteristics and thought that 200 km was very good. But in fact it will be an ordinary Tornado or Hurricane that shoots somewhere towards the enemy
    I am of the same opinion that the article and many of the comments to it are in the realm of joyful speculation. The MLRS in question are in no way better than the notorious Highmars, but rather, on the contrary, they are very much inferior to them in accuracy.
  30. +4
    18 September 2023 20: 54
    Who allowed this Kirill Ryabov to write articles? I wonder where this resource is going.

    Here's what it carries:

    The caliber of the Korean MLRS KN-09 is similar to the Russian Smerch / Tornado-S. At the same time, our complex, unfortunately, lags behind its missile flight characteristics. The old 9M55 family of projectiles have a range of only 70 km, and modern ammunition has only recently surpassed the 100 km mark. At the same time, there is a fundamental possibility of reaching 200 km, and Russian enterprises are working on this.



    The man mixed people and horses and does not understand the topic.

    Unguided projectiles from tornadoes and tornadoes have the longest range in the world, 90 km. This is the actual limit for an unguided projectile. There is no question of even 200 km for an uncontrollable one - the dispersion will be gigantic.

    Tornado-S 9m544 and 542 guided missiles have a range of 120 km.

    Are they worse than Korean ones? Of course not! They carry warheads weighing 140 kg! And I’m not cutting up a 70 kg warhead from the Koreans.

    Author, did you learn the materiel before writing all this???
  31. +2
    19 September 2023 10: 55
    Quote: Roman Efremov
    Do North Korean MLRS really have such a range? They just took it and made a missile with a range 2-3 times greater than that of the Russian (Soviet) ones. Well, then let them make their own plane at least 3rd generation! With your own aircraft engine!

    Range can always be achieved. The whole question is acceptable accuracy at a certain range.
    The Russian Smerch does not have complex control systems and the idea is to hit targets with a salvo of unguided missiles. This limits their effective range.
    The North Korean KN-09 has missile control. They have a more complex and expensive INS + homing which allows good accuracy at a greater range. In practice, these are small (300 mm) tactical ballistic missiles.
    In this regard, they are like Chinese and American MLRS, including Hymers. The accuracy of North Korean missiles can be judged by testing them when, at maximum range (200 km), they hit a rock in the sea measuring 50 by 100 meters. When testing them with a large tactical missile from a range of 400 km with such a control system, many years ago, the deviation from the target was only 7 meters.
    The same thing, for guided missiles, can be done for Russian MLRS, but then you have to sacrifice cheapness. In the Soviet and Russian concept, then the idea of ​​MLRS loses its meaning and it is necessary to produce Tochka and Iskander guided missiles. And as practice has shown, SVO is much better than Geranium from a range of more than 1000 km. and high accuracy.
    1. -1
      19 September 2023 21: 10
      Kostadinov, have you studied the performance characteristics of a tornado/tornado, sir?

      5M544, 5M542. Range 120 km. Warhead 150 kg, control ins., satellite.

      ??
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    19 September 2023 16: 06
    According to known data, the KN-09 is capable of sending missiles to a distance of 180-200 km
    Our newest missiles 9M544 and 9M549 for the Tornado-S MLRS fly at a range of up to 120 km. If the KN-09 can really operate at such distances, then all this may not be rumors. Ours, of course, can make rockets that operate at 200 km, but the question is when, in a couple of years? And they are needed yesterday.
    1. +1
      19 September 2023 20: 39
      If KN-09 can really work at such distances

      The South Koreans determined the flight range of the missiles using radars during tests, so there are no ifs here. But the weight of the warhead was determined based on linear dimensions from photographs and videos from North Korean parades and comparing with analogues, making allowances for different calibers. Satellite guidance was assumed due to the long distance. an inertial guidance system will not provide the required accuracy.
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    20 September 2023 16: 57
    Quote from Savage3000
    Kostadinov, have you studied the performance characteristics of a tornado/tornado, sir?

    5M544, 5M542. Range 120 km. Warhead 150 kg, control ins., satellite.

    ??

    When did I write that there are no such things or that this cannot be done?
    It can be done with a range of 200 km if the entire warhead is reduced and a control system is used.
    I mentioned that another was the main concept of using MLRS - cheap projectiles, short range (up to about 70-80 km), while the inaccuracy of unguided missiles is compensated by a salvo.
    Control then was not hit by MLRS, but by Tochka, R-17 and Oka.
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      21 September 2023 02: 42
      You just haven’t fully explored the topic of guided missiles. And the unmanaged are now working at 90. Plus, the RSZO is an inherently cheap strike system. And our tornado is the best in the world at this.

      And the range, yes, can be adjusted by the mass of the warhead
  34. 0
    28 September 2023 00: 24
    "Russia can acquire cannon and rocket artillery systems korean production"
    Author, North Korean. "Korean" = South Korean. What kind of childhood mistakes?
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    5 November 2023 13: 40
    We already have these systems, who abolished the practice, do it, then talk?
  36. 0
    13 November 2023 07: 32
    Yesterday I watched some Ukrainian channel, one said that the Russian army went on the offensive, but like our army doesn’t have enough artillery, like they use bombs. They say that their trenches are leveled into the ground, that no one is left alive there. Well, apparently they are sending their military again after such attacks.
    It would be nice to use Korean MLRS
    Well, today news like the number of Ukrainian army is revealed is 1,3 million people
    The NATO alliance said that they might attack Russia if they think they are being attacked. The fact that they are using Ukraine for their own purposes and have gone crazy is already one step in our direction. So you need to stock up on missiles.

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