Abrams with uranium in ammunition will soon arrive in Ukraine: you shouldn’t expect anything else

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Abrams with uranium in ammunition will soon arrive in Ukraine: you shouldn’t expect anything else

Kyiv's Western partners continue to produce tank variety in the Ukrainian armed forces. First there were the British Challengers and the German Leopards, and now it’s the turn of the American Abrams, the first batches of which will cross the Polish-Ukrainian border in September.

Having undergone modernization and overhaul, these vehicles will carry armor-piercing shells made from a depleted uranium alloy in ammunition to combat Russian armored vehicles.




Why tungsten when there is uranium?


We have previously wrote that the M1A1 Abrams tanks intended for Kyiv differ significantly from the basic version of the 1985 model, which was confirmed by representatives of the American military administration. Perhaps we are talking about the M1A1FEP of the Marine Corps, which were withdrawn from service, or which received some of the improvements under the “Situational Awareness” program (analogous to the FEP for the Marines).

There will be no uranium armor or equipment for “connecting” with an automated command and control system. Nevertheless, a total overhaul of all components and assemblies, information and diagnostic equipment, second-generation thermal imaging sights, as well as modern means of communication and satellite navigation will clearly be included in the mandatory set of American gifts. As well as software and hardware modernization of the fire control system, including the ability to use modern tank shells.

One of the M1A1 tanks, on which the Ukrainian military trained
One of the M1A1 tanks, on which the Ukrainian military trained

With the latter, our overseas sworn colleagues did not split hairs and directly stated that the Abrams’ ammunition load would include feathered armor-piercing sub-caliber projectiles made of an alloy based on depleted uranium (DU). Like their tungsten counterparts, they are primarily designed to destroy armored vehicles, but are also quite suitable for shooting at powerful fortifications and structures that are too tough for high-explosive fragmentation ammunition.

There is an opinion that the cars with uranium armor-piercing shells sent to Kyiv have a very specific purpose. They say that the penetrating ability of these “armor-breakers” exceeds that of tungsten ones, which is the basis for supplies for the purpose of more effectively destroying Russian tanks with dynamic protection. And there is some truth in this.


However, there is one more nuance here, which is that the Americans simply do not have sufficient quantities of armor-piercing tungsten shells. In this regard, the situation is similar to the transfer of Challengers 2, when the British had nothing on hand except uranium “crowbars”, which they supplied their tanks with before the trip to Ukraine.

In this case, there is nothing to even look for, since the United States has been producing exclusively uranium-finned armor-piercing sub-caliber projectiles for its own tanks of this type for almost forty years. The reason for this was the relative cheapness of raw materials - depleted uranium is a waste of the nuclear industry - and relatively high armor penetration characteristics, differing from tungsten by 5-15%.

As a result: starting from 120, there have been as many as five models of American ammunition from DU for 1984-mm Abrams guns - from M829 to M829A4. But there are none of tungsten ones for domestic consumption in commercial quantities.

The only exception is export ammunition. Let us recall that before the start of the special military operation, the United States was very cautious with uranium and sold Abrams not only without armor with uranium filler, but also with specially developed armor-piercing tungsten projectiles of the KE-W series (KE-W A1, KE-W A2), acting as an analogue of their counterparts made of dangerous metal, more or less similar in terms of armor penetration characteristics.

However, these products are manufactured exclusively in limited quantities and only at the request of a foreign customer, or under the terms of a logistics agreement along with the supplied tanks. And considering that only because of Taiwan alone, which is actively arming itself with American combat vehicles, production capacities are heavily loaded, then such shells can be quickly obtained for Ukraine only from the warehouses of other countries that have Abrams in service, with the appropriate permission of the owners for this.

As we see, no one intends to carry out such operations, asking for consent to be indirectly involved in the conflict, when their own warehouses are full of uranium shells. Moreover, the British have already blazed a trail with such ammunition without any consequences for themselves. So there was no need to count on a different assortment in the Abrams’ ammunition racks even from the first announcement about the delivery of tanks to the front.

What can they give?


What kind of model of uranium sub-caliber shells was included in the US military aid package to Ukraine is a question to which there is still no clear answer. And not only because the specific classification of ammunition is not indicated in official documents for public viewing, but also because of the large number of their modifications.

However, some conclusions can be drawn.

The entire series of American uranium 120-mm sub-caliber projectiles. The M829, which entered service in 1984, was completely withdrawn from storage by the end of the 90s. M829A1 and M829A2 have been gradually scrapped since 2014. The M829A3 is the main projectile at the moment. M829A4 is at the stage of entering the troops
The entire series of American uranium 120-mm sub-caliber projectiles. The M829, which entered service in 1984, was completely withdrawn from storage by the end of the 90s. M829A1 and M829A2 have been gradually scrapped since 2014. The M829A3 is the main projectile at the moment. M829A4 is at the stage of entering the troops

We can say with absolute certainty that Ukraine will not receive the latest M829A4 shells. Despite the fact that their production began in 2015, American tanks have not yet been completely re-equipped with them. Moreover, in fact, the exclusive “user” of these ammunition are vehicles modified to the M1A2 SEP v.3 standard of the US Army. Therefore, they will choose from previous models that are at hand and in the required quantities, so as not to disrupt the replenishment of their own supplies.

From conditional junk, theoretically, both the M829A1, which was put into service in 1988 and managed to take part in Desert Storm, and the M829A2, which found its refuge in the Abrams ammunition in 1994, have a chance of getting to Ukraine. Both have very high penetration rates for steel armor - 650 mm and 700 mm, respectively, which distinguishes them favorably from the Soviet junk with much less penetration, which is used by the Ukrainian military in tanks such as T-64, T-72 and T-80.


However, almost ten years ago, the Americans began a large-scale program to remove these shells from storage and subsequent disposal, which included the processing of more than 70 units. Therefore, the exact number of surviving rarities is currently unknown.

So the M829A3 is most likely to make a trip to Ukraine.

Unitary shot with a 120-mm M829A3 sub-caliber projectile
Unitary shot with a 120-mm M829A3 sub-caliber projectile

It appeared in the arsenal of American tanks back in 2003 and today is the most numerous finned 120-mm sub-caliber projectile in the army, which makes it the most attractive candidate for quick shipment overseas. Moreover, being available for supply, the M829A3 is also one of the most powerful ammunition of this type in the United States.

Firstly, the point is its high armor penetration, which our Research Institute of Steel, for example, estimates at 800 millimeters of medium-hard steel armor from a distance of two kilometers. Although real results may turn out to be somewhat more modest than the figures indicated by domestic engineers, the indicators are more than impressive.

Many Western tanks can get sick from them when fired head-on, as well as Soviet ones. For example, the same T-64BV, which is widely used by the Ukrainian armed forces, has a resistance of the frontal projection of the hull against sub-caliber projectiles in the region of 500 millimeters, which is almost 50% less than the real penetrating ability of the “American”. Moreover, the late Soviet modifications of the T-72 and T-80, despite serious modifications to the armor, also cannot provide guaranteed protection against this projectile.

Secondly, during the development of the M829A3, special attention was paid to the ability to overcome universal dynamic protection, a prominent example of which is the Soviet/Russian Kontakt-5, without a significant loss of armor penetration. This is achieved by introducing a steel tip more than 10 centimeters long in the nose of the projectile in front of the uranium core.

Device M829A3 from an American patent. 30 - driving device, 32 - solid-body uranium core, 34 - steel tip, 38 - place where the steel tip is attached to the uranium rod
Device M829A3 from an American patent. 30 – driving device, 32 – solid-body uranium core, 34 – steel tip, 38 – place where the steel tip is attached to the uranium rod

At the moment of impact with the dynamic protection element and its detonation, the tip takes on the main impact of the plates thrown by the explosion and, deforming and separating from the active part of the projectile, allows the uranium armor-piercing element to penetrate into the main armor of the tank. According to various estimates, this design of the M829A3 allows it to maintain penetration within 650-700 mm after overcoming the “reactive” armor of the Kontakt-5 type.

Dimensions of the active part of the M829A3 projectile. Shot length - 982 mm, weight - 22.3 kg, gunpowder weight - 8.1 kg. Projectile mass - 10 kg, initial speed - 1555 meters per second
Dimensions of the active part of the M829A3 projectile. Shot length - 982 mm, weight - 22,3 kg, gunpowder weight - 8,1 kg. Projectile mass – 10 kg, initial speed – 1 meters per second

Undoubtedly, our military has at its disposal the T-90M and T-80BVM, which have received Relikt dynamic protection, specially designed to counter this type of ammunition. But most of our tanks, including the T-72B3, are equipped with “Kontakt-5”, not to mention the more ancient anti-cumulative “Kontakt”, which is also very popular in the northwestern military zone. Based on this, the Ukrainian Abrams in a direct combat can become a serious and very dangerous adversary for these vehicles, and this must be taken into account.

Another question is that direct clashes between tanks in the zone of a special military operation in Ukraine became a rather rare occurrence just a month or two after its start. Nevertheless, mines became the main means of combating armor, drones, artillery and anti-tank missile systems of various bases.

This trend is eloquently illustrated by the Ukrainian “counter-offensive”, in which Western armored vehicles have already become noticeable with their burning skeletons, whose fate may be repeated by the Abrams. However, a tank equipped with good thermal imaging sights, an automated fire control system and powerful rounds in its ammunition load is not something to be taken lightly. On occasion, he can snap back in such a way that dynamic protection will not save him.
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  1. -9
    14 September 2023 04: 45
    Abrams with uranium in ammunition will soon arrive in Ukraine
    Can this be considered the use of nuclear weapons?
    1. +13
      14 September 2023 05: 17
      This is another concern and menacing sniffling. And nothing else.
    2. -8
      14 September 2023 05: 33
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      Can this be considered the use of nuclear weapons?

      Russia has been using such shells since the beginning of the conflict. Another thing is that we have few of them and it is extremely rare to see a tank versus a tank in battle.
      1. +3
        14 September 2023 05: 59
        Russia has been using such shells since the beginning of the conflict.


        Provide at least one photo or video evidence of this statement smile
        Or are you guided by the fact of their paper availability in the general nomenclature for 125 mm guns? So you can reach the “raven”, with which, if it were in a real tank, the tankers would fire non-high-explosive shells at the infantry.
        1. +18
          14 September 2023 07: 22
          The hysteria with shells equipped with uranium cores was raised by uneducated and stupid leaders of the Defense Ministry.
          The appearance of depleted uranium among the Americans is due to the fact that most of the tungsten in the world is produced by Norilsk Nickel, and therefore, while this plant belonged to the USSR, tungsten was inaccessible to the Americans. But everything changed under Yeltsin, who allowed Norilsk Nickel to be appropriated by oligarch Potanin, and now under Putin, oligarch Potanin regularly supplies NATO countries with the strategic raw materials they need, including tungsten, palladium and nickel, and naturally there are no sanctions against Potanin. Potanin is happy to help the Americans and is protected by the oligarchic system led by Putin. Therefore, the Americans began to produce shells with tungsten tips.
          However, this fact worries few people in modern Russia, because no one is bothered by the fact that Lukoil supplied oil products to the Armed Forces of Ukraine by oligarch Alekperov. Alekperov can be proud that probably half of the tanks and planes that kill our citizens are fueled with fuel made by Lukoil and extracted in Russia.
          1. +7
            14 September 2023 08: 00
            That’s why I don’t refuel at Lukoil. Ever since the accident with the doctors.
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    3. +6
      14 September 2023 05: 33
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Abrams with uranium in ammunition will soon arrive in Ukraine
      Can this be considered the use of nuclear weapons?

      Why did it happen? The Russian Federation also has shells with depleted uranium.
      1. +5
        14 September 2023 17: 50
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        The Russian Federation also has shells with depleted uranium.

        The Russian Federation also has nuclear missiles, so what does this mean that we are using them?
    4. +10
      14 September 2023 05: 44
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Abrams with uranium in ammunition will soon arrive in Ukraine
      Can this be considered the use of nuclear weapons?

      No. Nuclear weapons use a chain reaction of fission of atomic nuclei, and projectiles use kinetic energy
      1. -1
        14 September 2023 06: 05
        Those. Do you think that someone is prohibiting our tank crews from using these shells?
        1. +5
          14 September 2023 06: 24
          Quote: ism_ek
          Those. Do you think that someone is prohibiting our tank crews from using these shells?

          There are simply much fewer of them in the Russian Federation.
          1. +1
            3 December 2023 15: 02
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            There are simply much fewer of them in the Russian Federation

            Do you seriously think so? It’s just that the RF Armed Forces do not want to pollute territories that, to put it delicately, can no longer be of interest to the other side.
      2. +2
        14 September 2023 15: 11
        These projectiles are made from DELEASED uranium. Raw materials for projectiles are obtained from waste after uranium enrichment; this waste has LESS radioactivity than natural uranium.
    5. -2
      14 September 2023 11: 19
      For some reason, no one pays attention to the fact that successful attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces most often occur at night (remember the Kherson direction), just like successful rocket attacks. Before this, only the US and Israeli armies carried out night offensive operations. Both Merkava and Abrams "equipped with modern night vision devices are ideal for such combat operations.
      The tactics are simple - at night or in the foggy predawn (reconnaissance drones are no help here), a strike is launched from long-range howitzers and MLRS at the command post.
      Next, motorized rifles and tanks will go on the attack, not just one or even five, but a company or battalion. And these will be American, not old Soviet or “Polish” tanks.
      And a breakthrough will come from trained, motivated units, in which there will be practically no “cannon fodder”. .
      Fortunately, the terrain in the Zaporozhye region is favorable for such attacks
      1. +5
        14 September 2023 12: 27
        Do mines also not work at night? We don't have night vision devices?
      2. 0
        3 December 2023 17: 55
        Quote: knn54
        The tactics are simple - at night or in the foggy pre-dawn time

        Like, “June 22, at exactly 4 o’clock...”, right?
  2. +9
    14 September 2023 04: 58
    we’ll still sit in “active defense” and Western tactical nuclear weapons will appear in Ukraine... Shoigu, as I understand it, is waiting for exactly this... after Wagner’s departure, the successes of the Russian Armed Forces are very insignificant... after Bakhmut, not only did they not move forward a meter, but The question is how not to lose what was captured... it’s probably better not to remember about the Donetsk direction at all...
    1. +3
      14 September 2023 05: 36
      Quote: Krilion
      we’ll still sit in “active defense” and Western tactical nuclear weapons will appear in Ukraine... Shoigu, as I understand it, is waiting for exactly this... after Wagner’s departure, the successes of the Russian Armed Forces are very insignificant... after Bakhmut, not only did they not move forward a meter, but The question is how not to lose what was captured... it’s probably better not to remember about the Donetsk direction at all...

      What does pacifism have to do with it? It seems to me that you live in a fantasy world where the RF Armed Forces are superior to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But this is not so. They are somewhere equal, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine have much less leverage in logistics.
      1. +1
        14 September 2023 05: 57
        Did we also come up with fairy tales about the 2nd something in the world ourselves???
        1. +8
          14 September 2023 06: 26
          Quote: Nikolay310
          Did we also come up with fairy tales about the 2nd something in the world ourselves???

          We all create our own propaganda for domestic consumption in each country.
      2. +7
        14 September 2023 06: 05
        Logistics lever, you say... So why are there bridges across the Dnieper? Why does the railway operate?
        1. 0
          14 September 2023 06: 27
          Quote: Boris Sergeev
          Logistics lever, you say... So why are there bridges across the Dnieper? Why does the railway operate?

          Well, the railway also operated under continuous bombing in Britain. And bridges apparently turned out to be too difficult a target for the VKS.
          1. +12
            14 September 2023 06: 41
            Name at least one example of the bombing of a railway in Ukraine, where there are infrastructure facilities without which the road will stop. And for some reason, the Crimean Bridge, like the Antonovsky Bridge, did not turn out to be such a difficult target for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. However, those who want to look for opportunities, those who don’t want to look for reasons.
            1. -1
              14 September 2023 06: 58
              Quote: Boris Sergeev
              Name at least one example of the bombing of a railway in Ukraine, where there are infrastructure facilities without which the road will stop. And for some reason, the Crimean Bridge, like the Antonovsky Bridge, did not turn out to be such a difficult target for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. However, those who want to look for opportunities, those who don’t want to look for reasons.

              Bridge in Zatoka. Last spring they attacked 4 times with Calibers. Then in the fall they attacked with kamikaze boats. Well, in the summer there was another attempt to attack with cruise missiles. The patient is more alive than dead.
              There was also an attack on a bridge in Nikolaev. He again resisted.
              You can also recall the attack on a tunnel in the Lviv region. Looks like a couple of Calibers were lit up there. They knocked the plaster off the portal. The next day the movement was resumed.
              Antonovsky Bridge was 300 meters from the front line, this probably somehow affected the accuracy of the hit.
              1. +5
                14 September 2023 07: 07
                How many meters from the front line was the Crimean Bridge? And they beat and beat the Antonovsky Armed Forces of Ukraine until Surovikin, with Shoigu’s approval, raised his hands. Now, having received a whole city as a gift, even the remains of Antonovsky on the LEFT bank of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are holding on with their teeth.
                1. -2
                  14 September 2023 07: 16
                  Quote: Boris Sergeev
                  How many meters from the front line was the Crimean Bridge? And they beat and beat the Antonovsky Armed Forces of Ukraine until Surovikin, with Shoigu’s approval, raised his hands. Now, having received a whole city as a gift, even the remains of Antonovsky on the LEFT bank of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are holding on with their teeth.

                  The Crimean bridge was attacked by sea drones. There is sea traffic underneath. Bonuses cannot block it. But under the bridge in Zatoka there is unlikely to be much maritime traffic; booms protect it. Like the bay in Sevastopol.
                  Antonovsky Bridge was attacked by Khaimars. Are you going to buy GMRLS missiles from the USA?
                  The Chongar Bridge was attacked by Shadow Storms. Do you propose to purchase them from the UK?
                  1. +2
                    14 September 2023 07: 31
                    "Uncle, are you-?" Or do you want to say that the “second army of the world” has no analogues of the “Storms”? Or it is not possible to act with the help of special forces, which are intended for this purpose. For some reason, Ukrainian DRGs manage to blow up even our strategic aircraft located deep in the rear, while sabotage on railways occurs every day.
                    1. +1
                      14 September 2023 08: 17
                      Quote: Boris Sergeev
                      "Uncle, are you-?" Or do you want to say that the “second army of the world” has no analogues of the “Storms”? Or it is not possible to act with the help of special forces, which are intended for this purpose. For some reason, Ukrainian DRGs manage to blow up even our strategic aircraft located deep in the rear, while sabotage on railways occurs every day.

                      There are analogues, but how similar are they? I gave above the example of the bridge in Zatoka, which has already come under fire from our analogues 5 times; the patient is more likely alive than dead. These are the analogues.
                      As for the DRG, I have nothing to say. Failure.
                      1. +4
                        14 September 2023 08: 28
                        There is no systematic work on bridges, although these are stationary objects and their coordinates are well known. It seems that there is a political ban on bridges, since the importance of isolating the theater of operations is clear even to non-military people, and even more so to the military.

                        I came across figures that more than 6 thousand missiles have already been fired at Ukraine, but what’s the point? Waste of huge resources.

                        From the morning:

                        A fire covering an area of ​​2 hectares occurred in a field in the Saratov region after the Peschany Umet - Storozhevka gas pipeline depressurized.

                        Eyewitnesses heard a powerful explosion before the fire.
                      2. 0
                        14 September 2023 08: 35
                        Quote: Boris Sergeev
                        There is no systematic work on bridges, although these are stationary objects and their coordinates are well known. It seems that there is a political ban on bridges, since the importance of isolating the theater of operations is clear even to non-military people.

                        From the morning:

                        A fire covering an area of ​​2 hectares occurred in a field in the Saratov region after the Peschany Umet - Storozhevka gas pipeline depressurized.

                        Eyewitnesses heard a powerful explosion before the fire.

                        No political prohibitions prevented attacks on the bridge in Zatoka, but the bridge remains standing. Moreover, this bridge is a rather openwork structure. Moreover, it is not yet covered by air defense from the sea. After looking at the results of the attacks on these attempts and extrapolating on the number and strength of the remaining bridges, we decided not to waste the scarce missiles.
                      3. 0
                        14 September 2023 09: 28
                        They have been firing scarce missiles for the second year without any visible results. There was no reduction in the combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. On the contrary, it is the Russian Armed Forces, after “successful regroupings,” that have been in “active defense” for more than a year. If a hundredth of the missiles fired went to bridges, then it would probably be more difficult to deliver shells with uranium. Much closer to the scene of events are bridges in Dnepropetrovsk, which were not touched at all. Oh yes, the largest Menorah center in Europe is there, right next to the bridge! But this, apparently, is not politics, but something from the area of ​​“preserving the cultural heritage” of Kolomoisky.
                      4. -1
                        14 September 2023 14: 43
                        Quote: Boris Sergeev
                        They have been firing scarce missiles for the second year without any visible results. There was no reduction in the combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. On the contrary, it is the Russian Armed Forces, after “successful regroupings,” that have been in “active defense” for more than a year. If a hundredth of the missiles fired went to bridges, then it would probably be more difficult to deliver shells with uranium. Much closer to the scene of events are bridges in Dnepropetrovsk, which were not touched at all. Oh yes, the largest Menorah center in Europe is there, right next to the bridge! But this, apparently, is not politics, but something from the area of ​​“preserving the cultural heritage” of Kolomoisky.

                        Let's figure it out. Collapse of one or a couple of bridges will achieve nothing. There are now almost two dozen bridges across the Dnieper in Ukraine. And in order to disrupt logistics, damage them briefly and destroy them all at once, and then finish them off when trying to repair them. During this time, 6000 missiles were fired, which gives us approximately half a missile per bridge per day. Moreover, not every rocket reaches and not every rocket that reaches it hits. But this is just the beginning. Let's look at the attacks on the bridge in Zatoka. In April - May he was attacked 4 times. There were gaps of a week or more between attacks. This cannot be explained by a shortage of missiles. There is probably no reconnaissance unit that could objectively assess the damage and decide whether to strike again. Well, with such a reaction speed, the enemy will restore them faster than we can demolish them. And again, remember their number, as well as ferries and so on. It is unlikely that this will have more effect than strikes on the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
                      5. +1
                        14 September 2023 15: 37
                        Are you aware of the flawed nature of your logic? Half a rocket a day is not enough, so let's do nothing. Let them drive across bridges calmly. Approximately the same logic convinces us of the pointlessness of attacks on “decision-making centers”: there is no point in attacking Kiev, because they decide in Washington, but it is impossible to attack Washington, because there will be a war. Therefore, let them walk peacefully, and here they shoot whoever they want.

                        With this approach, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be handed over and you will be hit with nuclear weapons.
                      6. -2
                        14 September 2023 20: 26
                        Quote: Boris Sergeev
                        Are you aware of the flawed nature of your logic? Half a rocket a day is not enough, so let's do nothing. Let them drive across bridges calmly. Approximately the same logic convinces us of the pointlessness of attacks on “decision-making centers”: there is no point in attacking Kiev, because they decide in Washington, but it is impossible to attack Washington, because there will be a war. Therefore, let them walk peacefully, and here they shoot whoever they want.

                        With this approach, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be handed over and you will be hit with nuclear weapons.

                        So this is just normal logic. You need to do what can help, and not what you want. They talked about the destruction of traction substations and depots in Ukraine. The missiles were spent, but the transport system survived. They talked about the destruction of energy networks. The missiles were spent, but Kharkov was illuminated. Well, let's spend missiles on bridges and the effect will be, plus or minus, the same (the example of the bridge in Zatoka clearly hints at this).
                        The only way to destroy it is to bring the front line to the distance of a shot from a Smerch, or even better from a Peony - then there will be some sense. So you will have to come to terms with their existence, as well as with the existence of factories in the USA that produce missiles for the Highmars.
                      7. +1
                        15 September 2023 13: 42
                        How do you know what the missiles were spent on during shelling of Ukraine? Does the General Staff report to you? The way to destroy the Crimean Bridge turned out to be a heavy truck with explosives. And there was no need to carry the Peonies anywhere, which is an unrealistic task when sitting in “active defense.” And I still hope that the children of you, the humble ones, are not on the front line now, although that is where they should be. Maybe then your head will work a little differently.
                      8. -1
                        14 September 2023 12: 31
                        you're sick of everyone with your bridges, this is not a PC game for you
                      9. +1
                        14 September 2023 10: 00
                        On the issue of consistency.

                        14.09.
                        "The Crimean Bridge is blocked due to another terrorist attack."
          2. 0
            14 September 2023 16: 10
            in Britain.
            There is a very extensive network of railways here and it was easy to go around the damaged areas.
      3. NKT
        -4
        14 September 2023 11: 50
        What does pacifism have to do with it? It seems to me that you live in a fantasy world where the RF Armed Forces are superior to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But this is not so.

        You say that as if the Armed Forces of Ukraine alone are fighting against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.... It is more correct to say that the Armed Forces of Ukraine + NATO + EU are against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
        1. +1
          14 September 2023 14: 01
          Quote: NKT
          What does pacifism have to do with it? It seems to me that you live in a fantasy world where the RF Armed Forces are superior to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But this is not so.

          You say that as if the Armed Forces of Ukraine alone are fighting against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.... It is more correct to say that the Armed Forces of Ukraine + NATO + EU are against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
          If this were so, the picture would be much worse...
        2. 0
          14 September 2023 19: 17
          ".It is more correct to say the Ukrainian Armed Forces+NATO+EU against the RF Armed Forces."
          you forgot to add little green men from mars. yes, yes, they are there too
      4. +1
        3 December 2023 18: 03
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        but the Armed Forces of Ukraine have much less logistics leverage.

        Where is it smaller if weapons are even brought from other continents? The question here is rather about the defense-industrial potential, which for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is zero without a stick.
    2. -1
      31 December 2023 15: 46
      unfortunately, you are right a thousand times, all these retaliatory strikes and offensives mean nothing
  3. +16
    14 September 2023 05: 15
    Hello pacifists from the Kremlin and the Ministry of Defense. A day has passed, and where are the retaliatory strikes promised by the Minister of Defense, which he announced almost two months ago, warning the enemy against attacks on Crimea? And what? Apparently he is sleeping, or does not remember his menacing sniffling and knitted eyebrows. Unfortunately, our rulers turned out to be toothless paper tigers. Unable to even look a little beyond the horizon. And shaking over their position. Even to the detriment of the country where they live.
    1. -14
      14 September 2023 05: 54
      Only idiots in war do not respond with slow blows! Smart people think, look for a “suitable” goal, and only then “take it out”! For those who like to litter with verbal diarrhea, an example from history: - “the cool Americans, after waving their fists, (after the explosion of the twin towers) searched for TEN YEARS for Osama.
      So, as the hero of the film (Prisoner of the Caucasus) said, "there is no need to rush"!
      1. +8
        14 September 2023 06: 02
        Osama Bin Laden was hiding in the mountains in a difficult-to-reach area... V.A. Zelensky wanders around Izyum, then around Kherson... well, exactly the same thing... in addition, Ukrovsky bridges, wheel pair changing stations, and other objects infrastructures are simply not able to “hide”... but those who have no fools in the General Staff, time works for Russia and other nonsense (well, at least after 1,5 years of SVO their number tends to zero) always have some primitive excuses that they are “calculating” someone there
        1. 0
          14 September 2023 11: 28
          Quote: Nikolay310
          ..V.A.Zelensky wanders either through Izyum or Kherson...

          So what? Hit the clown and win? I understand that if, for example, some Ursula von Der Leyen or Antokha Blinkin is kicked in the ass, it will be more useful. Maybe it will go where it should, but you can eliminate ukroführers in batches without any benefit.
        2. 0
          14 September 2023 21: 01
          An attack on the leader of another country, regardless of methods and success, automatically makes you yourself a legitimate target. And the size of the table glorified in jokes shows the “desirability” of such a situation. As for other targets: not all missiles need to be counted, but only those with sufficient range and accuracy. Taking into account the downed air defenses, it is unlikely that it will be possible to organize a second “Battle of Britain”.
      2. +12
        14 September 2023 06: 13
        That's it! The smart ones are looking for a suitable target - Osama, for example! Can you remind me when the Kremlin dome was hit? After that, a suitable target was never found, although Zelensky is constantly on the front line. Before this, there was a strike on the strategic aviation base in Engels, which, according to the Nuclear Doctrine of the Russian Federation, involves the use of nuclear weapons as a response. Only there was no answer. Before that...however, the enumeration will get tiresome. And many dire warnings were poured out in connection with these attacks. In addition to Shoigu, Medvedev promised to organize a “doomsday”, “very fast and difficult” in the event of an attack on Crimea, he promised last year. So far this all looks like verbal diarrhea.
      3. 0
        14 September 2023 09: 24
        Didn’t the search for a “suitable” target take too long? And in addition to catching Osama, the amers managed to do a lot in ten years.
      4. 0
        14 September 2023 16: 22
        Yeah. Only the Ukrainians have already shied away from Evpatoria. They are definitely not in a hurry, but they do it.
    2. +1
      14 September 2023 09: 54
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      Even to the detriment of the country where they live.

      They don’t live here, they “earn money” here, but they live there. That's why it happens.
  4. -1
    14 September 2023 05: 48
    This trend is eloquently illustrated by the Ukrainian “counter-offensive”, in which Western armored vehicles have already become noticeable with their burning skeletons, whose fate may be repeated by the Abrams.

    The trend of people believing that depleted uranium is not so scary, but tactical nuclear weapons are a completely different situation, will continue as long as the wait-and-see tactics last.
    Why has the transport infrastructure in Western Ukraine not been destroyed yet?
    1. +3
      14 September 2023 06: 05
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Why has the transport infrastructure in Western Ukraine not been destroyed yet?


      Well, as another member of the General Staff said, "the smart ones think and search. And here, apparently, there are SOOOOOO smart people who will think for another 5 years and search for 15 years...
  5. +4
    14 September 2023 05: 57
    It turns out interesting: tungsten for tank scraps is expensive, but stuffing 30 tungsten balls into an M1A180000 rocket is not expensive at all.
    In fact, Uranium scrap is much better suited for tanks than Tungsten, because it has greater armor penetration due to the greater lateral load (uranium is bluntly heavier) and the properties of the material (in the process of breaking through the armor, self-sharpening of the scrap occurs), as well as greater armor penetration due to for its pyrophoric properties (uranium dust and crumbs burn well in the open air, which creates fires in the tank). Well, the fact that uranium is cheaper is just a pleasant bonus and nothing more.
  6. +6
    14 September 2023 06: 27
    There are also reports that the United States is purchasing uranium from the Russian Federation at a record pace, and the Russian Federation is selling it at a record pace. How is this uranium used further?
    1. -1
      14 September 2023 06: 54
      These are different uraniums. wink
      We sell energy. There is about 5% uranium 238.
      And the shells use uranium with less than 238% uranium 0,1.
      This depleted uranium remains with us as waste. And now they plan to use it for new reactors, which will increase the reserves of energy uranium on the planet for another hundred years. No one except us can do this yet.
      1. +2
        14 September 2023 07: 11
        Quote: B-15
        We sell energy. There is about 5% uranium 238.

        You are wrong. TVEL assemblies contain about 5% of the uranium 235 isotope, which is what “burns” in the reactor core.
      2. +2
        14 September 2023 07: 36
        At one time, Rogozin scoffed at Americans purchasing rocket engines from Russia - you will fly into space on trampolines - only after February 2022 did it become clear that the US satellite constellation is an order of magnitude superior to the Russian one. Isn’t it the US satellites launched by Russian engines and the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ missiles that are pointing at us now?
        1. +1
          14 September 2023 09: 45
          Quote: Boris Sergeev
          Isn’t it the US satellites launched by Russian engines and the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ missiles that are pointing at us now?

          Exactly them. Atlas 5 carries out military orders mainly.
      3. 0
        14 September 2023 15: 06
        Oh, those physicists. So, on the contrary, we need to put 235 and 238 in some places. And we can’t do THAT yet. On an industrial scale. At experimental reactors, what happened to us and what happened to world imperialism?
      4. +1
        14 September 2023 16: 16
        No one except us can do this yet.
        The breeder reactor at Dounreagh (Britain) was launched in 1959.
    2. +2
      14 September 2023 07: 01
      Quote: Boris Sergeev
      There are also reports that the United States is purchasing uranium from the Russian Federation at a record pace, and the Russian Federation is selling it at a record pace. How is this uranium used further?

      They buy either natural or enriched. All nuclear powers have depleted uranium like a fool's candy wrappers. Only 2% of the mined uranium is used for weapons-grade or energy-grade uranium, and the rest is unnecessary slag, which they came up with to melt down for tank scraps.
  7. +5
    14 September 2023 06: 32
    One thing I’m wondering is why Konashenko is silent on this matter, where is our brave talker? Otherwise, all the Abrams would probably have been burned by now, but there would be no one to tell about it.
  8. -2
    14 September 2023 06: 41
    Quote: Russian quilted jacket
    This is another concern and menacing sniffling. And nothing else

    You forgot about puffing out your cheeks!
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  10. +4
    14 September 2023 06: 45
    Quote: Nikolay310
    We also came up with fairy tales about the 2nd something in the world ourselves???

    But what about it? People like to believe all kinds of nonsense (harmful and deceitful nonsense), you don’t have to look far for proof - go to the news section.
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    0
    14 September 2023 06: 46
    It is highly advisable to dismantle these shells before they arrive in the air defense zone. It is unlikely that they will be transported by plane directly to Kyiv.
  12. +5
    14 September 2023 10: 19
    There are many questions about ammunition, many discussions about depleted uranium, I will shyly raise another issue, the safety of the crew in Western tanks. I haven’t read a single analysis on this site, what does crew safety look like? Is it an inconvenient topic? You can find a lot of information in the Western press, from which it is clear that yes, the Leopards were destroyed, but all the crews survived. A similar analysis applies to the Bradleys, of which many were destroyed but a huge percentage of the crew survived.
    Everyone is arguing about ammunition, rate of fire, the speed of our and Western equipment, but has anyone bent over the crew of a tank or infantry vehicle and its safety? Personally, I think that a tank or transporter is just a projectile, the most important thing is the crew, several guys, whose training cost time, money and other expenses. Instead of dwelling on “nuclear missiles”, let’s think about the people in the transporter, because I have the impression that at the moment the West is doing it better.
    1. +4
      14 September 2023 14: 36
      This is an inconvenient topic. Here is a visual video of an Abrams being hit in the ammunition rack. And we clearly see that at least one crew member managed to leave the vehicle. There is no flight of the turret and the concept of partitions works. But most will only see how “brightly” the Abrams burns and how powerful it is drinks
      1. +2
        14 September 2023 14: 46
        I understand everything, but this is the M1A1 version, and the film is 7 years old. It’s difficult to compare the M1A1 with the M1A2sepv3, it’s a bit like comparing the T-72 with the T-90M, apparently the same, but still not. We don’t know how the Abrams behave on the battlefield, because they haven’t participated in it yet, but unfortunately I see films in which T-90s are set on fire by ordinary drones, and the death of the crew occurs immediately, with the turret flying into the air.
        Returning to the topic, I got the impression that in the West all efforts are spent on maximum protection of the crew, while in our country this issue is somewhere in the second row.
        1. 0
          18 September 2023 12: 27
          This was not the case when the T-72 appeared. Compact dimensions + high protection of the frontal projection + protection - the crew protection was up to par, it’s just that now the battlefield itself has changed, but Russian tanks have not.
        2. 0
          23 January 2024 12: 36
          Well, yes, “foreign cars” are comfortable, but heavy. And they burn no worse than any other tank-class armored vehicle. Unfortunately, no one has yet been able to create non-spawnable armored vehicles....
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  14. +1
    14 September 2023 12: 24
    They will arrive just as it rains almost every day. For these hippos, that’s it)))
  15. -2
    14 September 2023 19: 54
    Abrams with uranium in ammunition will soon arrive in Ukraine

  16. 0
    3 December 2023 20: 36
    Again they compare tanks and shells with each other. Judging by the SVO, Abrams’ main opponent will be helicopters, infantry with ATGMs and FPV drones
  17. 0
    23 January 2024 12: 24
    The outskirts are in complete trouble with their heads. They don’t have enough biological laboratories all over Nenka, and they also don’t have enough uranium for fun. If the Abrams show up for the meeting, then most likely they won’t go further than closed positions: you never know...The example of the Leopards has not yet faded from the inflamed stupidities of the eternal candidates for membership....
  18. 0
    23 January 2024 14: 44
    Quote from Shtaier
    Well, yes, “foreign cars” are comfortable, but heavy. And they burn no worse than any other tank-class armored vehicle. Unfortunately, no one has yet been able to create indestructible armored vehicles....