On the need to form artillery groups to isolate the combat area

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On the need to form artillery groups to isolate the combat area
After more than 100 years, trench warfare is back


Positional impasse


More than a year has passed since the fighting in Ukraine slipped into a positional war. Unfortunately, not a single media outlet in Russia agreed to publish an article that would reveal the mechanism of how the war degenerates into a bloody deadlock, when a modern, fully mechanized and more or less equipped army has an advance rate measured in meters per day, often at the cost of huge losses.



To publish material explaining this fact, I had to start a separate blog, since it was also taken down from writers’ sites (I wonder why).

An article with a detailed, but as it is now becoming obvious, not deep enough (there are no errors, but the essence of the phenomenon turned out to be somewhat deeper) description of both the phenomenon and the mechanism of its folding, is in two parts here: "Breakthrough Speed, Part 1"and "Breakthrough Speed, Part 2". It is necessary to read the article; understanding everything that is stated below without familiarizing yourself with the basic theory is impossible.

A year has passed since the article was written, and this period confirmed all the calculations about the reasons for what was happening then, and also gave new facts, a new understanding of what was happening, and an example of two Ukrainian offensives - near Balakleya and Izyum, and the one that is going on now. Near Balakleya and Izyum, the Ukrainian Armed Forces struck where we had a minimum of troops, where there was no continuous defense and detours and envelopments at the tactical level were possible.

The use of M142 HIMARS MLRS and attack UAVs against more or less significant targets has reduced by orders of magnitude the time required to suppress enemy resistance, that is, it turns out that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have successfully implemented what was proposed in the article linked to.

However, their new offensive, launched a little over a hundred days ago, turned into a natural Verdun, it is difficult to say how many people they killed in Rabotino alone, in general, their losses during these days are estimated in tens of thousands of killed and many hundreds of units of military equipment, and the advance beyond more than ninety days of stubborn and bloody fighting - just a few kilometers away.

Why?

Firstly, as with last year’s attempts by our troops to attack, a detour is impossible for the Ukrainian Armed Forces - the density of our troops in defense does not allow them to carry it out. Therefore, whatever they do, it degenerates into a frontal assault under unsuppressed artillery fire.

Secondly, the number of high-precision weapons in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not enough for the scale of hostilities that are taking place; they need hundreds of HIMARS-type installations, tens of thousands of high-precision missiles, several orders of magnitude more guided missiles, and most importantly, they need something that will not allow our troops to transfer reserves to where they are trying to break through.

Thirdly, like the RF Armed Forces, the Ukrainian Armed Forces cannot suppress our artillery, although they look better than us in this, but not better enough, lethally (for them) not enough.

And they also need to solve the problem of isolating the combat area.

They don’t have this last opportunity on the required scale. Our troops have basically adapted to the conditions of combat operations and are able to maneuver dispersed (E.V. Prigozhin, in relation to the Wagner PMC, expressed this succinctly: “we don’t march in columns.” The Armed Forces of Ukraine also did not and do not march, and now the RF Armed Forces were able to handle the transfer of troops without their excessive concentration).

Theoretically, the Ukrainian Armed Forces, having abandoned all the long-range weapons they had, drones and cruise missiles to the HIMARS MLRS, for attacks on communications, they could have won a day or two, when the transfer of our reserves would have been difficult, but they did not do this, moreover, now they have nothing to do this with, the ammunition has been used up, as a result, Wherever they go, our troops will be there faster than they can penetrate our defenses to any significant depth. A very recent example of this is the transfer of units of the 76th Airborne Division to the Orekhovskoe direction - the Ukrainian Armed Forces cannot do anything about it, there is nothing with which to do it.

This is good for us. Moreover, their next offensive, no matter how much the West gives them weapons, will end the same way.

They don’t understand what’s happening and don’t believe in a positional deadlock. And their owners are not aware of it either. This means that at least once they are doomed to repeat this massacre, to our benefit.

Our problems will begin when we ourselves have to attack, since at that moment the situation will turn 180 degrees.

And there is even a fresh example.

The Russian offensive north of Kupyansk, which developed simultaneously with the Ukrainian one in the south, has now slowed down.

From what? That’s why the Ukrainian Armed Forces can’t – the enemy has transferred reserves. From the fact that they came there to fight, the presence of the 95th separate infantry brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has been reliably established, and it is they who are credited with stabilizing the situation for the Ukrainian side.

What would need to be done to ensure that the Ukrainian Armed Forces would retreat further?

It was necessary for our part to solve the problem of isolating the combat area. Do not let them transfer reserves, make sure that this brigade does not reach the front, as well as other reinforcements.

Isolation of the combat area and positional front


By the term “isolation of a combat area”, domestic military science means the following:

Prohibiting the approach of reserves, disruption or creatures. limiting the maneuver of the pr-ka by forces and means in the combat zone, the transfer of its military equipment and logistics. support from the rear or from other sectors of the front; one of the combat missions is tact. aviation.
I.r.b.d. is achieved by striking the reserves of the pr-ka in places of concentration and on the march, SCO nodes. and zhel. roads, bridges and crossings, airfields, checkpoints, communication centers. and connections, supply bases and other facilities.

Military encyclopedic dictionary

Let's go back to the beginning - what is needed to break through the positional front (and this is discussed in the article at the link)?

At the tactical level it is:

1. Massively use high-precision weapons against targets on the battlefield and significantly reduce the period of breaking through the enemy’s defense line, reducing by several times the time required to solve artillery combat missions.

2. Conduct a highly effective counter-battery fight so that the maneuver of one’s troops is not interrupted by enemy artillery and so that it is possible to ensure at least some concentration of, if not forces and means, then at least their fire on targets.

3. The most important thing is to prevent the enemy from maneuvering and prevent him from transferring reserves to the breakthrough site.

Then his troops, in any case, fight on their own, no one can come to their aid, no one is able to “plug” the breakthrough with new units, no one is able to restore the situation with a counterattack after the defending troops have used up all their reserves. Enemy units are destroyed one by one, and reinforcements are destroyed at the stage of their advance.

This is the isolation of the combat area.


These three points provide, for example, such an opportunity as the rapid passage of minefields - suppressed artillery will not be able to fire at the sappers, and the enemy, who determined the direction of attack based on their actions, will not be able to strengthen his troops in this direction - the reinforcements will be killed on the march.

The task of isolating a combat area throughout the world is solved primarily by aviation.

But here we have a well-known problem with Ukrainian air defense. The format of the article and censorship considerations do not allow us to discuss this issue; we will limit ourselves to the fact that we do not have the opportunity to operate aviation behind the front line on the required scale.

But even if aircraft could operate without serious restrictions, the problem of having targets arises.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine “do not march in columns” - they move troops in small groups, along parallel roads, forests, fields, and so on, so that there simply is no target worthy of a massive strike.

And she's gone.

However, this does not prevent Ukrainian troops from quickly gathering “drop by drop” directly at the concentration lines and either launching counterattacks or equipping new lines of defense.

At this moment, our troops already hit them, but the problem is that at this moment it is already too late; a quick defeat of the enemy cannot be achieved this way.

This problem will become especially acute during our offensive.

The task of creating a tool for isolating a combat area must be solved before a political decision is made to go on the offensive with our troops. The success of breaking through the defense and developing success will not even come close to it, but without it it is not achievable.

In conditions where, for organizational reasons, it is impossible for aviation to achieve the required level of combat effectiveness, and for political reasons, it is impossible to eliminate organizational reasons, there is no other choice left than to create forces to carry out the tasks of isolating combat areas within the Ground Forces and using those available to them weapons and military (and, as will be shown above, not only military) equipment.

In effect, this means that said forces must be created using artillery, missile forces and unmanned aerial vehicles.

The entire text below will be devoted to such formations.

Special purpose artillery


The Armed Forces have experience in creating special artillery formations to perform special tasks.

The largest example is the formation during the Great Patriotic War of breakthrough artillery divisions, armed with guns, mostly of large caliber (although 76-mm guns were also widely used). Until the end of the Great Patriotic War, 31 such divisions were formed as part of the Red Army.

These divisions belonged to the artillery of the Reserve of the High Command (RGK) and were used in the directions of the main attack as a means of qualitatively strengthening the troops breaking through the enemy’s defenses.

To manage several such divisions in the Red Army, 10 corps directorates were also created.

Assessing the effectiveness of these units is a topic for a separate material, for now we will only dwell on the fact that there is nothing unusual in the formation of artillery formations and units with special tasks, this has been done before, when there was a need, and there are no obstacles to doing something similar now.

It should also be noted that during a special military operation in Ukraine, new artillery units and formations are created, although not for any special tasks.
An example is the following quote:

“The 52nd artillery brigade of the Airborne Forces has been formed in the Krasnodar Territory. The brigade is armed with towed 152-mm 2A36 Giatsint-B cannons.
The 17th high-power artillery brigade has been formed in the Leningrad region. The brigade is armed with heavy self-propelled guns 2S7M Malka and 2S4 Tyulpan. According to the announced plans of the Russian Ministry of Defense, five such brigades will be formed.”

Link.

That is, not only precedents for the creation of special artillery formations in principle once upon a time, but also precedents for the formation of new artillery formations occur here and now.

And besides, now there is not only cannon artillery.

During the Great Patriotic War, artillery divisions were armed mainly with large-caliber artillery. The key factor that was to evaluate their combat potential was the power of their fire. And the basic parameter that determines the combat capabilities of those formations that must solve the problem of isolating combat areas is the firing range and its accuracy, which in turn is determined by the quality of reconnaissance. The firing range of large-caliber multiple launch rocket systems significantly exceeds the firing range of cannon artillery; accordingly, we will be talking about missile and artillery units or formations.

A caveat needs to be made here.

Those formations of the RF Armed Forces that fight directly on the front line still solve the problem of delivering artillery strikes on the communications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As a rule, artillery keeps sections of roads in the near rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine under fire control, and when attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to move equipment along the roads are detected, then artillery strikes are carried out on these areas, which the artillery has targeted, as enemy units pass through them.

But, firstly, this is strictly near the rear, and secondly, a separate detachment of forces is generally not allocated to isolate the combat area - and the artillery has a lot of tasks “at the front”, and our artillery usually does not go further than 20 kilometers it works - it lacks shooting accuracy, and many artillery systems also lack range.

As a result, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have a narrow strip in their near rear, outside of which no one really works on them, and you just need to get through it. The fact that the roadsides of such areas are usually littered with broken down cars should not reassure anyone - they mostly pass by.
But a special artillery formation capable of operating over a long range could change the situation radically.

Why is range critical?

The greater the depth of the enemy’s defense we can prevent his maneuver, the easier it will be for our troops to break through to this depth, and this is obvious. The more losses and under more blows the enemy has to break through to the aid of his attacked troops, the more time we will have to break through and the less forces the enemy will enter the battle.

In general, the fact that the depth at which fire strikes the enemy is important does not require special evidence.

Thus, we can formulate the essence of the new units - long-range missile and artillery formations (regiments, brigades or divisions).

Ordnance


Before moving on to the application model, it is necessary to decide on the material part. The fact is that there is a very big difference between which systems are available in more or less significant quantities, which are only in theory, and which can be obtained with a government order - just after some time.

From the point of view of combat capabilities, the 300-mm MLRS are of great interest, of which the Tornado-S MLRS is the most suitable for such tasks.


Combat vehicle of the Tornado-S complex, photo: NPO Splav

The enormous advantage of this system is the presence of 9M542 and 9M544 guided missiles in its ammunition load. Also of great importance from the point of view of assessing the results of the strike is the Grom reconnaissance UAV launched with the help of MLRS.

Due to the long launch range of these missiles, exceeding 100 kilometers, the missile launcher can fire at targets located deep in the enemy’s defenses, while remaining outside the range of actual fire from his 155-mm artillery.

Both MLRS and guided missiles for it were successfully used in Ukraine.

Unfortunately, there were and remain few such launchers; according to various estimates, by the beginning of the special military operation there were about 40 units; the number of adjusted guided projectiles produced is unknown.

It can be assumed that the existing batteries and divisions may simply not be enough.
Then it is necessary to use another 300 mm system - “Smerch”. “Smerch” is not a high-precision weapon system, and the lack of accuracy of missiles when firing at long range will have to be compensated by their number.

This is not very good and not entirely correct, but it still gives you a “long arm”; another thing is that it is more difficult to shoot unguided missiles at moving targets. Although it is possible, and artillerymen know how to do it.

An option is being considered to form divisions in which one battery will be armed with Tornado complexes, and the other (or others, depending on the number of batteries in the division that will be adopted for the new formations) with conventional Smerchs.
But 300-mm MLRS cannot be the only command tool for such an artillery formation.

It is logical to have another system, cheaper and covering shorter ranges than Smerch, and more dispersed targets moving in a decentralized manner closer to the line of combat contact.

Among the MLRS, the Uragan and Grad with some types of rockets can be considered as such. The advantage of the Hurricane is the presence of a large number of missiles with a range of up to 35 kilometers, while the Grad has the advantage of being widespread and available in large quantities.


Combat vehicle of the Uragan complex, photo: Wikipedia

One could consider the further development of the Grad - Tornado-G with adjustable missiles, but again the question arises of how many of them are available, and the possibility of obtaining adjustable missiles in sufficient quantities.

However, it may make sense to consider the use of cannon artillery instead of a smaller MLRS.

Due to the need to shoot accurately and far, the best choice for an artillery system is the 2S5 “Gyacinth” self-propelled gun, which is characterized by high shooting accuracy at long ranges, even somewhat better than that of the “Msta” howitzer in any of its variants.

The use of adjustable projectiles is mandatory.

The use of 203-mm artillery systems is pointless due to their low firing accuracy.

Of course, if the RF Armed Forces had at its disposal a guided projectile in this caliber, and also an actively reactive one, it would simply be a superweapon - powerful and long-range, capable of hitting targets at a range of more than 47 kilometers (with an active-reactive projectile).

Unfortunately, our country does not have adjustable shells in this caliber, so “Hyacinth”.

Naturally, such a long-range fist should be accompanied by the ability to search for targets in the depths of the enemy’s defense, over the entire effective firing range of the mentioned systems.

Which raises the question of the presence of a powerful group of unmanned aircraft within the artillery formation. The presence of which, in turn, makes it possible to assign part of the strike tasks to the UAV, too, removing from the artillery those tasks for which it is ineffective.

It makes sense to determine the appearance of such a group based on the model of using a new missile and artillery formation.

Application model


The first fundamental point is that the formation is used to isolate the combat area. It is not thrown into the meat grinder of artillery battles and is not used as “just artillery.” This is fundamentally necessary in order not to deviate from the tasks of isolating the combat area.

Isolation of the combat area is always necessary and must be carried out continuously and systematically, so whatever the temptation to throw an artillery formation into counter-battery combat or to perform other tasks, this must be avoided.

The inability for the enemy to transfer any reinforcements to the attacked section of the front will be felt very quickly and will have a beneficial effect on the successes of our troops and on reducing their losses, but we need to concentrate on this task.

Previously, the artillery formation headquarters arriving at the front must receive detailed information about the road network used by the enemy, bridges, fords, possible areas for storing fuel and ammunition, and places of at least minimal concentration of enemy troops (even approximate ones).

It is necessary, based on this information, to plan both reconnaissance activities and attacks on targets, the importance of which for the main task is obvious, and the coordinates are known in advance.

Such targets include, for example, bridges and crossings, if they can be hit with available means. As well as forest roads and trails regularly used by the enemy, which can be remotely mined at the right time.

In order to isolate the combat area (hereinafter referred to as the IRBD), the formation conducts continuous reconnaissance to the entire depth of the firing range of the available weapons.

The main means of reconnaissance are unmanned aerial vehicles with wings, since only they can operate deep in enemy airspace at a depth of tens of kilometers.


Russian vertical take-off and landing UAV "Ajax-400" during the closed part of "Dronnitsa-2023". Such a device is capable of providing reconnaissance to a depth of several tens of kilometers and does not require either a launch catapult or a parachute. But it is not enough for exploration to a depth of 100 kilometers or more. Photo: KCPN

However, it doesn’t all come down to them.

One of the very promising means of reconnaissance is castable seismic sensors, and at the moment it is possible to install them from UAVs.

At the rally of UAV operators "Dronnitsa-2023", held by the Coordination Center for Assistance of Novorossiya (KTSPN), a UAV capable of carrying FPV drones was demonstrated, it flew and released weapons in the air, and there is no reason why similar devices could not would drop reconnaissance equipment on the likely routes of advance of Ukrainian troops.


Static display of UAVs with suspended FPV drones on the first day of Dronnitsa-2023. Every other day it will fly, detach weapons, relay radio signals from and to them, and electronic warfare and electronic warfare teams on the ground will try to fight them. However, this vehicle was not ready for combat use at that time. Photo by the author.

In addition to seismic sensors, it makes sense to study throwable cameras, various other sensors, such as infrared, reacting to exhaust gases in the air, etc.

Taken together, a multitude of such sensors with means of processing the information received from them can complement unmanned aerial vehicles and become an important source of information about the movements of enemy troops, making it possible to establish the fact of such movements in real time.

But, firstly, the main means of reconnaissance are still UAVs, and secondly, the signals from these sensors still require additional reconnaissance.

Depending on what target reconnaissance has discovered, it can be hit either by drones (for example, by dropping ammunition based on a VOG-17 grenade launcher round or a suspended FPV drone), and if the target justifies a missile or artillery strike on it, then it must be carried out immediately.

Why in principle do we need weapons such as FPV drones on “large” UAVs?

Here it is necessary to remember once again that the enemy “does not move in columns.” Troops can be transported in small vehicles, half a squad at a time, one armored vehicle at a time, along forest and field roads.

Many targets that UAV reconnaissance will detect are simply not worth the expense of long-range missiles on them, and then it is actually easier to use them if other strike weapons are available.

For example, a single tank moving towards the front line through the forest can be destroyed by a Lancet aimed from a reconnaissance UAV, tank the platoon - with an MLRS strike using rockets with a cluster warhead, and the car donated by the volunteers - with suspended FPV drones: the first - the car itself, the second - those who were driving it.

Whenever the enemy attempts to move troops towards the front, similar blows are inflicted on them in order to prevent their advance.

At the same time, to defeat armored vehicles moving quickly along the roads, you can target certain sections of the roads in advance, and when the enemy passes the selected reference points, open fire on the targeted areas.

Other methods are also possible, but they must have the same goal - to prevent the movement of enemy troops to the front, and if they retreat, to withdraw.

At the same time, it is worth developing in advance methods for conducting IRDB operations.

Thus, advance remote mining allows you to drive enemy troops into “corridors” where their concentration will be higher and it will be easier to destroy them there.

Combined placement with the help of MLRS of both anti-personnel mines PFM-1 and anti-tank PTM-1 or PTM-3, or others on the same territory, allows you to create extensive minefields behind enemy lines, the clearance of which will require a large detachment of sapper forces, which in turn, they can be hit by a missile strike.


Anti-tank mine PTM-3

In our country, the role of mining has traditionally been underestimated, with the exception of mining in front of defensive positions.

There is no theory of offensive mining.

Meanwhile, the combination of remote mining deep behind enemy lines, surveillance of mined areas from UAVs, and timely hitting of sappers with missiles can have a very high effect on the line of combat contact.

All these and other possible methods of conducting combat operations by a new missile and artillery formation must be invented in advance and tested at training grounds; the formation itself must have its own supply of ammunition of various types for such operations.

From a control point of view, it is possible to designate so-called “free fire zones” behind enemy lines, on his communications, where any target is hit without the permission of a senior commander, with the request for a strike being transmitted immediately from the UAV crew to the battery with which it is working, or with an attack by the drone itself without a request to a superior.

A missile and artillery formation should not be subordinate to the commanders whose units and formations are conducting an offensive or holding the front; this is always a means of a superior commander in relation to them, with the help of which he facilitates the execution of tasks for his troops, effectively prohibiting maneuver for the enemy and preventing his troops from receiving reinforcements or ammunition, as well as preventing the maneuver of attacked enemy troops, preventing their organized withdrawal.

Unmanned aircraft as part of a missile and artillery formation


From the application model it clearly follows what features a group of unmanned aircraft should have.

We are talking about a large unit.

A detailed staffing schedule will have to be developed by the relevant specialists, for now it can only be stated that we are talking about no less than a battalion of drones, armed with many dozens of “birds” in the first line and having a reserve of them to make up for inevitable losses.

The aircraft themselves should, to a large extent, be reconnaissance and strike, capable, if necessary, of using the weapons on board against targets on which artillery and missile strikes are unjustified.

There must be criteria by which either the crew of the UAV, or the senior commander above it, makes a decision to destroy the target with a drone, or to point MLRS and/or artillery at it.

The said battalion should include repair services and training classes for training junior specialists, a service involved in preparation for the use of weapons used by UAVs.

It is especially worth mentioning the need to have, either in the intelligence department of the formation headquarters, an analytical department that would work with all the information obtained by drones, including watching all the videos taken during flights, identifying important objects on it, comparing old and new videos with the same terrain (for example, to identify new tracks of caterpillars on the ground).

Analyzing the information collected by sensor arrays will require computing power and software, as well as specialists.

Separately, it is necessary to highlight the possibility of targeted use of unmanned aircraft in strike rather than reconnaissance missions.

The closer to the line of combat contact (LCC), the more the enemy disperses his troops, but this does not mean that their movement to the front should not be impeded.

It is expected that in the last kilometers in front of the LBS, groups of soldiers the size of a squad and single armored vehicles will move.

Hitting such targets with artillery is not justified due to the fact that the consumption of ammunition, time and barrel life for cannon artillery is unreasonably high in comparison with the value of the target.

It is reasonable to use heavy copters (quad, hexo, octo) with a long flight range (10–15 km) to defeat such targets, capable of lifting a combat load of 120 mm mortar mines or 82 mm mortar mines, or special aircraft defeats created on their basis, or modified for dropping small PTAB-2,5 bombs from UAVs, modified RKG-3 hand grenades, etc.


The Ukrainian military is preparing the Babu Yaga, a heavy copter with 82 mm mines as a weapon, for a combat mission. Our troops don’t have this yet, at least not en masse, but it won’t take long to get it, if only we had the desire.

Such copters are reusable, and the costs of using weapons from them are low, since the weapons listed above have a minimal cost.

When the enemy uses air defense systems capable of intercepting such UAVs, it makes sense to use loitering ammunition.

Currently, there are examples of loitering ammunition, although not as effective as the famous Lancet, but tens of times cheaper.

By combining the use of such means, it is possible to achieve a high probability of hitting any point target with loitering ammunition, from air-launched FPV drones to Lancets, and for group purposes, ensure the use of MLRS and artillery against them.

The task of specialists who will be involved in creating a staffing table for a group of unmanned aircraft as part of a formation will be to correctly determine the role and location of loitering ammunition, as well as the command structure.

For example, the crew of a reconnaissance UAV will obviously not use the Lancet on a detected target, and will not be able to technically control its suspended FPV drones, since it will control its own UAV, and only relay will occur through the UAV carrier.

It will be necessary to work out the interaction between the calculations of such “search” UAVs and the same “Lancets”, their place in the organizational structure, etc.

Approach to defining states


Although it will be impossible and incorrect to develop staffing structures within the framework of the article, it is still worth setting some boundaries.

When developing the structure of such a formation, it is worth proceeding from the width of the front section it should receive.

Any mid-level operational department of the corps or army headquarters will easily formulate on what part of the front occupied by the united front the IRBD tasks are critically important, which means there will be no problems with understanding how many artillery barrels and rocket launchers will be needed, and therefore - what structures they should be part of.

The depth to which the formation operates depends on the firing range of its missile systems and the combat radius of reconnaissance UAVs.

Knowing the depth of the formation's zone of responsibility and the width of the front that it will receive, one can understand that it will be - for example, a brigade of several divisions of rocket and cannon artillery and a UAV battalion, or a division of several regiments, each of which has a UAV battalion, and also The division commander has one along with air traffic control for such a mass of aircraft in one place. Maybe these should be separate shelves.

It can be assumed that in light of the realities of the Russian Armed Forces and the situation at the front, this will apparently still be a brigade of several divisions, including battalions of cannon artillery and MLRS and a powerful, numerous battalion of drones.

At the same time, the UAV battalion will include both reconnaissance and strike units and purely shock companies operating close to the enemy’s rear.

An important point is that if the artillery with which it is supposed to equip new formations, and missile systems are already in series or are simply available, then the UAV units need to be equipped from scratch, creating equipment “for them”, however, as real experience shows, all the personnel for this exists in the country, and all materials and components can be imported from China. It's just a matter of organization.

As the same “Dronnitsa” showed, without state bureaucracy, even a complex UAV can be created in just a few months, and it also showed that domestic designers still have enormous potential. This potential just needs to be used.

Some conclusions


Isolation of the area of ​​military operations is the weakest thing that our troops showed in the Northern Military District. This is largely due to the real efficiency of domestic aviation, which cannot yet fulfill this mainly aviation task.

And the unsolved task on the IRBD has largely led us to a positional impasse - if the enemy needs to send reinforcements to some Avdeevka, he will do it, no one can stop him.

In such conditions, it would be very logical if the task of isolating the combat area were taken over by the Ground Forces, which bear the brunt of the fighting in Ukraine.

To do this, it is necessary to create special formations - long-range missile and artillery brigades or divisions, armed with rocket launchers and long-range artillery, precision-guided ammunition and a powerful group of unmanned aircraft.

Such formations would be used in important areas as a means of qualitatively strengthening troops, with the task of preventing the maneuver of enemy forces at a depth of up to 100 kilometers from the LBS.

Without being distracted from their main task, they could, without allowing the enemy to maneuver troops, provide our troops with the opportunity to defeat the enemy forces in parts and thus contribute to breaking the positional deadlock at the front.

It is much easier to create such formations than to reform the army as a whole. It would be possible to organize normal radio communications in them, simply due to the fact that this is a separate connection with a limited number.

Several such brigades or divisions, used in decisive directions, could radically facilitate the execution of combat missions by our troops, return to them the ability to conduct a maneuverable war, or at least break through the enemy’s defenses to its entire depth, and in general could change the course of the war in our favor .

Taking into account the presence of a significant share of the materiel necessary for all of the above, the Ministry of Defense would be worth thinking about such formations.
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  1. +16
    13 September 2023 05: 20
    the author wrote a lot, but missed the main thing.... positional warfare takes place in the same case if the forces of the opposing sides are approximately equal... but the Ukrainians have objective reasons for this, and the Russian forces have subjective ones... while the Ukrainians physically unable to create the necessary overwhelming superiority of forces to break through the defenses and develop an offensive, the Russian command apparently does not want to create such a superiority... while the Ukrainians are at least trying to do this through large-scale mobilization measures, and the Russian command apparently expects that there is no point in straining and the problem will be solved and will resolve itself at the expense of the contract soldiers... as a result, we stand still and systematically destroy each other for the amusement and pleasure of the West... and if such actions by the Ukrainians are understandable and justified, then it is high time for the Russian leadership to stand up for such a “war” wall..
    1. +4
      13 September 2023 12: 04
      The fact is that, for political, economic and production reasons, we do not have the opportunity to put so many people under arms; there are no weapons for them, no equipment, and there is no way to quickly produce all this.
      Therefore, the emphasis should be on quality; there are no other recipes.
      1. +7
        13 September 2023 12: 15
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        The fact is that, for political, economic and production reasons, we do not have the opportunity to put so many people under arms; there are no weapons for them, no equipment, and there is no way to quickly produce all this.

        Not really. Even those opportunities that exist are not fully exploited. We decided to fight in the most economical way.
        1. +8
          13 September 2023 20: 20
          Quote: Stas157
          Not really. Even those opportunities that exist are not fully exploited. We decided to fight in the most economical way.

          You are wrong, in the most wasteful way. An economical way is to quickly win a military campaign, thereby minimizing your losses and material costs.
          1. -1
            16 September 2023 12: 39
            Quote: Vladimir Lenin
            You are wrong, in the most wasteful way. An economical way is to quickly win a military campaign, thereby minimizing your losses and material costs.

            They tried to do this in February-March 2022. It didn’t work out - they were preparing for the wrong war.
            And Alexander is right that the towers have neither weapons, ammunition, equipment, nor equipment for the Big Army. Now they are trying to do something in the course of the play (deployment of new armies, corps, divisions, air regiments). And for the Big Army there are no commanders... any officer cadres at all - they simply weren’t trained, having cut almost all military universities and academies.
            but demand from those who organized all this for us (Small Army, optimization, dismissal of the best Russian officers at the very end of the 00s, destruction of industry, science, refusal to purchase the necessary military equipment, equipment, ammunition of the required classes ... even just stock uniforms to the warehouses of the Mobile Reserve ...
            You can’t find the culprits here during the day with spotlights.
      2. +6
        13 September 2023 20: 32
        Thanks to the author for an interesting and useful article. And many thanks to the editors of VO for publishing the author’s articles, although this is associated with great risk.
        The North Military District has shown that modern wars have reached a completely different level and technology has gone far ahead, and our main problem is that even good military generals are morally outdated, their way of thinking is hopelessly outdated. A different approach is needed and new generals are needed who are able to comprehend the changes that have taken place and rebuild the army.
        In the new realities of the Northern Military District in conditions of trench warfare, it is necessary to create a large number of separate companies and battalions of UAVs, with their own transport and various types of UAVs. And this should be done by the Ministry of Defense, whose leadership is inactive.
    2. +2
      14 September 2023 11: 16
      Quote: Krilion
      I wrote a lot, but missed the main thing.... positional warfare takes place in the case if the forces of the opposing sides are approximately equal..

      And during the years of the 1st World War there was a dead end, but the gene. Brusilov proved that this is not entirely true...
      But, in order not to let my thoughts wander, I would like to draw attention to one of the factors mentioned in the article. Isolation of a combat area involves defeating the enemy at considerable ranges and is not fully possible without a sufficient number of systems using guided (adjustable) ammunition.
      Moreover, these do not necessarily have to be super-expensive and super-accurate projectiles.
      It is not clear why a 203-mm projectile cannot be equipped with a control unit from Krasnopol-D or from a Tornado missile? Yes, the control drives need to be improved there, but we have some groundwork. Both gas-dynamic and aerodynamic rudders were used in practice.
      The same applies to the modernization of Tochka-U missiles. They and the old ones “did business” in Syria during the Northern Military District.
      However, there were echoes that such work was being carried out in the media. Perhaps considerations of secrecy do not allow us to tell the people about them ahead of time.
      If so, God willing.
      1. +1
        16 September 2023 12: 52
        Quote: Alekseev
        It is not clear why a 203-mm projectile cannot be equipped with a control unit from Krasnopol-D or from a Tornado missile?

        That’s right - we have a fairly large number of Malka self-propelled guns, it has an excellent range, but we still don’t have our own “Krasnopol”. But what seemed to be the difficulty? Scale "Krasnopol" to 203 mm. caliber, you look at it and the range would be up to 55 - 60 km. would jump up, and the accuracy would be excellent at any firing distance. When the "Coalition-SV" arrives in commercial quantities to the troops, and there are plenty of "Malok" both in the troops and at the storage bases. Well, really, what a difficulty it is to make a projectile with the same control/guidance unit, with the same/same controls and gas generator. Well, you can’t do that - excellent artillery systems do not have guided projectiles.
        Quote: Alekseev
        The same applies to the modernization of Tochka-U missiles.

        At storage bases there are up to 10 such missiles with 000 kg. Warhead and range of 500 km. Why not a tool for isolating a database area? In addition, there is such a variety of warheads... and there are so many cluster units. fellow
        1. +1
          25 December 2023 13: 28
          It is quite possible to carry out a deep modernization of the Tochka U OTRK, significantly increasing their accuracy; they could still be useful, because disposing of them is even more expensive, otherwise they could help our units and hit enemy support bases and military targets at an operational depth of up to 120 - 130 km.
          1. 0
            25 December 2023 13: 44
            Quote: sgrabik
            It is quite possible to carry out a deep modernization of the Tochka U OTRK, significantly increasing their accuracy; they could very well still be useful,

            I have written about this more than once since last year, and indeed we have up to 10 such missiles and 000 brigade sets of equipment at our storage bases, but apparently there is simply no one or nowhere to do this. It is necessary not only to modernize the guidance system, but also to recharge the TT in the engines. The Armed Forces of Ukraine held such events ahead of time at Yuzhmash. It seems that we simply have no one to do this, and all the enterprises we have are busy producing new types of missiles. But it would certainly be extremely advisable to recharge the engines of at least several thousand of these missiles and repair several divisions for their launches. The appearance of such TRCs before a decisive large-scale offensive would be very useful to ensure massive fire suppression.
  2. +21
    13 September 2023 05: 36
    For a year and a half of “going according to plan,” the SVO was unable to solve the problem of protecting Donetsk from shelling by the Ukronazis’ BARRELED artillery. What else is there to talk about? What else to count.
    1. +2
      13 September 2023 06: 43
      In a year and a half

      So it cannot be solved in any other way than to push the front line beyond the range of the projectile. Firing a target the size of a city and carrying out artillery preparation and support for an attack are fundamentally different tasks.
    2. 0
      13 September 2023 18: 39
      What do you mean they couldn't? It was not solved at all; there is no hint that the Russian command did anything about it.
      1. 0
        15 September 2023 11: 00
        What do you mean they couldn't?

        In direct, to fire at a target the size of a city, you can fire a dozen shells from any gun from D-30 to 777 at maximum range and leave until the counter-gun gives coordinates, until the UAV or Lancet gets there, the gun has long left the fire station.
  3. +5
    13 September 2023 06: 14
    The author retells the concept of fighting the second echelon, only for NATO it was in the context of an air-ground operation.
    http://saper.isnet.ru/mines/fascam.html
    http://saper.isnet.ru/mines/volcano-sys.html
    There are a variety of remote mining systems in Russia, from a helicopter UMP to various variants of the warhead for the MLRS.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20131110152640/http://www.oaoniii.ru/sistemyi_minirovaniya.html
    http://saper.isnet.ru/mines-2/uragan.html
    http://saper.isnet.ru/mines-2/uragan-b.html
    This is all, of course, wonderful, right up until the moment you start asking questions - are there enough intelligence means (precisely intelligence) for counter-weapon warfare? To allocate a separate detachment of forces and means to ensure isolation of the offensive area.
    1. +4
      13 September 2023 12: 05
      Well, with NATO everything was on a much larger scale, I have a tactical level and the task is not so large-scale, it is much simpler.
      But necessary and relevant.
  4. 0
    13 September 2023 06: 15
    This problem is solved not so much by technology and tactics, but by operational management; if you have overall superiority in forces, you strike along the entire front until the enemy exhausts his reserves and he simply has nothing to react to your actions with.
    If there is no overall superiority, or they are attacking on one sector of the front, and smoking bamboo on the other, nothing will help.
    1. +8
      13 September 2023 12: 07
      This is an exchange of troops, a potentially very dangerous strategy, fraught with riots and even revolution.
      People are not consumables.
      The right version requires quality excellence.
      The Americans in Iraq fought in companies against brigades without air support and endured them without losses.
      This is what we need to go to, and not to the trade in human flesh.
  5. -2
    13 September 2023 07: 36
    Unfortunately, nothing will change in the creation of these missile and artillery brigades. The Ukrainian Armed Forces have technical superiority in reconnaissance equipment, cannon and rocket artillery. They see and shoot further and more accurately. This requires our rearmament, and this will take many, many years.
    1. -1
      13 September 2023 10: 18
      Quote from cold wind
      The Ukrainian Armed Forces have technical superiority in reconnaissance equipment, cannon and rocket artillery. They see and shoot further and more accurately.

      Everyone listened to this entertaining story with interest, and when Behemoth finished it, everyone exclaimed in unison:

      - Lies!

      “And the most interesting thing about this lie,” said Woland, “is that it is a lie from the first to the last word.”
      1. +6
        13 September 2023 12: 09
        The man writes the truth, I recently spoke with the former deputy commander of one of the brigades, in his words, due to superiority in management and intelligence, we need 4-5 times fewer barrels to solve the same combat missions of artillery as we do .
        And their losses in 155 mm systems are minimal, we either have nothing to get them at all, or we don’t have time, the self-propelled guns manage to leave the position.
        1. +1
          13 September 2023 13: 04
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          ukraem to solve the same artillery combat missions as for us

          He tells you about artillery duels, it makes sense, who is he? Artilleryman! And you will sell the infantry. She doesn’t see these actions at all, but she sees that those entrenched in OUR positions, from which we retreated, OUR artillery immediately grinds into dust. But they can’t grind OUR positions where we are sitting - they have nothing with which to steal! They have already knocked out the Soviet one, but this “dueling” one is not designed for such a task!
          It’s like saying - in a 1 on 1 duel, the T-72 will lose to the Challenger, which has a rifled one, more precisely, and further. And the result? And the resulting duel between tank and tank is not at all all why a tank is needed and your Challenger is shit.
          That's the whole "truth"
          God is on the side of the large battalions - one, two - where are the Khaymars near Rabotino, why were they withdrawn? Because in conditions of battle, and not a raid on the rear, duels are fucking unnecessary. you have to STAND and knock out all the targets that appear, but the Chimera cannot do this, they will kill it right away, well, there will be a 1 for 1 exchange, even if it’s 1 Chimera for 2 tornadoes (let’s flatter) - how many Tornadoes and how many Chimeras? And it will always be so - Chimeras are more expensive, therefore less common.
          It’s like with a machine gun and a sniper, the sniper lives until they see him, but the machine gun is visible - should we abolish machine guns?
        2. +2
          13 September 2023 18: 49
          More than 2/3 of Russian artillery was produced during the Soviet era, as was ammunition.
          It seems that you can’t do without the Coalition-SV self-propelled guns
        3. +2
          13 September 2023 21: 01
          All right
          The Ukrainians withdrew their artillery to a distance beyond the reach of our artillery, from the line of combat contact - more than 33 kilometers.
          In particular, in the Artemovsk direction, Ukrainian artillery forces are firing at the first line of our positions, which complicates the counter-battery fight.
          Under current conditions, the most effective counter-battery weapon is currently the Lancet loitering ammunition. - news from the fields.
    2. +4
      13 September 2023 12: 07
      It takes six months to form, equip and train 3-4 such brigades.
      And if used on a massive scale, they will radically change the situation.
  6. +7
    13 September 2023 07: 46
    prevent him from transferring reserves to the breakthrough site

    IMHO, the main thing is not even this, but the destruction of the ability to properly supply enemy troops. Will the reserves fight a lot with one transportable standard ammunition? Will they go far at one gas station? That's the same...

    And we all know very well how to disrupt the logistics of the Ukrovermacht. To do this, just look at the map; you don’t have to be Bonaparte. That's right - bridges across the Dnieper, especially railway ones, have long been in everyone's teeth. This is the key to our victory. Which for some reason no one wants to turn for a year and a half...
    1. +3
      13 September 2023 12: 10
      And this will come with a trailer. It is not clear from the truck what it is carrying, shells or people.
    2. +5
      13 September 2023 12: 22
      Quote: paul3390
      That's right - bridges across the Dnieper, especially railway ones, have long been in everyone's teeth. This is the key to our victory.

      They didn't even try with bridges. I wonder if if we took all those cruise missiles and Iskanders that were spent in a year and a half, would they be enough to destroy the bridges across the Dnieper?
      They tried to destroy at least one bridge to understand how many missiles it needed.
  7. +9
    13 September 2023 07: 46
    It seems to me that all this is simply not needed by our leadership, we are not having a full-fledged war, but our own! This means that there is a certain plan and there are not all the actions listed in the article. Colleagues who are there now say that everything is going in a very strange way, not very suitable for the word war.
    1. +3
      13 September 2023 12: 11
      Not without this, but I can’t help but voice the problem in any case.
  8. +1
    13 September 2023 08: 24
    Former brigade commander Khodakovsky said that already now the Ukrainians, in some areas, are managing to organize a similar isolation of our troops with the help of attack drones, not allowing supplies and evacuation. And yesterday their drone destroyed our TOR air defense system in the depths of our defense at a distance of 12 km... This is all alarming, it is becoming increasingly clear that it is possible to do without the deployment of large forces of artillery and rocket systems to isolate the combat area
    1. +3
      13 September 2023 09: 50
      Our MO, unfortunately, can only learn from our own bitter experience, and if this bitter experience is repeated several times and with short intervals in time. In this case, you can hope for a belated, slow, but reaction. It is high time for the General Staff to form separate working groups of officers responsible for counter-battery warfare, anti-drone warfare, electronic warfare, hunting enemy aircraft, etc., who would be freed from solving current tasks, would have resources allocated to them and could concentrate on their own direction. Military theorists, for example, understand that long-range air defense systems should be covered by object-based air defense (Tor, Pantsir, Buk, S-350), which in turn should have overlapping damage zones with neighboring Tors, Pantsir and Buk, which in turn should be covered electronic warfare means from drones and tactical missiles. Object-based air defense should work on radiation with frequent changes of position and it is desirable to have additional target designation from AWACS aircraft. But even this theoretical and idealistic picture is not ideal and will not provide 100% stability and protection, because the enemy has anti-radar missiles and missiles that aim at interference, the ability to overload air defense with a large number of targets, satellite reconnaissance, on-the-ground reconnaissance of take-offs from airfields of our AWACS aircraft, etc.
      1. 0
        13 September 2023 19: 07
        It’s generally unclear what the General Staff has been doing for years. In addition to writing a plan - a rush to Kyiv - a parade on Khreshchatyk - they seem to be engaged only in the distribution of supplies and the selection of targets for geraniums
    2. +4
      13 September 2023 12: 12
      This has been the case for a long time; they held Vugledar largely because they cut off our communications with fire and attacks from drones.
  9. +2
    13 September 2023 09: 36
    Isolating a combat area to such a depth as the author describes (50-100 km) is impossible under current conditions - this is too global, complex and complex a task, the success of which depends on many factors, and failure can be caused by just one. The troops are now mostly mechanized and mobile (not on foot), the road network is much more developed than during the Second World War, it is impossible to isolate the area to such a depth - a backup road will always be found. Relying on Tornado-S with a guided projectile as a “long arm” for working on moving reinforcements (even in medium-sized columns) is also possible only in theory, but not in practice. The Smerch-S missile does not see the target, but goes to the specified Glonass coordinates, its flight time is too long, the speed of the column can vary, so it is necessary to shoot with a strong and precisely calculated lead in order to cover a given section of the road. And now there are enough backup roads.
    The problem to be solved is to isolate the combat area to a tactical depth of 3-5 km. This is a difficult, but solvable, realistic task... And it is in this zone that we should advance to a shallow depth. Such short offensive operations should be planned on different sections of the front in order to force the enemy to twitch, each time transferring reserves and each time being late, losing even a small but noticeable section of territory.
    1. 0
      10 December 2023 23: 26
      Quote: Slon1978
      Isolation of the combat area to such a depth as the author describes (50-100 km) is impossible under current conditions

      So we need to work to make such isolation possible. For example, Orlan-30 with laser target designation and Tornado-S with missiles flying to a point illuminated by this laser
  10. +2
    13 September 2023 09: 46
    In general, isolating the battlefield is a task for aviation, since it requires work at a distance of about 50-100 km from the line of contact. Why our aviation cannot do this is another question... I will modestly assume that this is happening due to the fact that the implementation of such tasks by aviation has never been seriously studied and practiced (the reason is simple - all our opponents up to this point were banal partisans. .. Slightly different approaches work there.)
    1. +2
      13 September 2023 12: 26
      That's pretty much it, yes.
      And this cannot be solved within a reasonable time frame.
      That’s why such rocket and artillery fantasies are born... which at the same time are quite realizable.
      1. 0
        14 September 2023 08: 21
        Why can't it be solved? If desired, I think it is possible to find a form of organizing the combat use of aviation that allows us to resolve this issue... For example, working from the position of “duty in the air” for identified targets in real time... Destruction of the same bridges, viaducts, tunnels in the strip at least 50 km from the contact line... You can come up with a lot of things... If you think about it.
        1. 0
          15 September 2023 14: 55
          Well, in any case, it is impossible to solve all problems with aviation alone, at least in our situation. Therefore, reforming the artillery is in any case a necessary measure.
  11. +3
    13 September 2023 09: 50
    The author has written a lot, but does not understand anything at all about the logistics.
    No Tornadoes or Hymers can be used to hit moving targets, only stationary ones with pre-reconnoitred coordinates. Well, or simply unguided with anticipation, but at 100 km, hitting scattered single targets even with cluster elements is madness.
    So only on bridges, junctions, railway junctions and concentration areas...
    For high-precision projectiles. Krasnopol has a range of up to 25 km, and it doesn’t matter which gun to fire from - the electronics simply cannot withstand greater acceleration.
    Krasnopol-d, which can fly further, it can also only fly at stationary targets with known coordinates.
    The only thing that can be done effectively is to mine with the same tornadoes, hurricanes, peonies, hyacinths, the approaches to the areas where the attack is planned, as well as areas from which the enemy can presumably transfer reinforcements, but this requires political will, remote mining deep in enemy territory We don't do it because of a political ban.
    Basically, when the enemy does not move in columns. And long-range air defense is located in cities; individual vehicles can ideally catch high-altitude UAVs, which neither artillery nor man-portable air defense systems can reach. But their release is not being forced...
    Therefore, we have what we have...
    There is actually another possibility, this is the work of drg, yes, they are effective in attacking individual vehicles, but their effective use is only possible in large forested areas and adjacent territories, where they cannot be tracked from a UAV... Otherwise, send special forces in one direction, for what purpose? - a single action is madness...
    There is another way - to completely cut off power to Ukraine and kill the military-political leadership, otherwise expel those who do not die from the country, then it will also become more difficult for the army to transfer troops, but this again requires a political decision, but there is none...
    1. +4
      13 September 2023 10: 16
      Your stories were relevant for the mid-20th century, even in the 90s you could hit columns in motion without any problems. This requires UAVs, laser-guided missiles/projectiles or AGSN. Also, columns cannot move constantly; it is enough to stop for 5-10 minutes to be hit by a high-precision projectile or missile.
      The whole question is about intelligence, communications, interaction and those capabilities.
    2. +4
      13 September 2023 12: 24
      y or unguided simply with anticipation, but at 100 km, hitting scattered single targets even with cluster elements is madness.
      So only on bridges, junctions, railway junctions and concentration areas...


      This is due to your poor imagination and ignorance of the subject.
      Tell you one of the options for such a blow (one of many)?
      Easily.
      A moving group target is detected from the UAV; if it is far from the front, then there may even be a small column there.
      Remote mining is carried out along the route, if it is a wheeled vehicle, then it is stupidly using PFMs, if there is a tracked vehicle, then it is PTM+PFM.
      When the column stops in front of the mines, it is hit by a missile strike.
      I emphasize that this is not the only option.

      Politically, I agree that this is a problem, but it won’t be like this forever.
      1. 0
        15 September 2023 04: 55
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        When the column stops in front of the mines, it is hit by a missile strike.

        Yes, this is one of the tasks of remote mining - to stop the enemy from striking him from afar.
    3. 0
      15 September 2023 10: 46
      Quote: Georgy Sviridov
      We do not engage in remote mining deep in enemy territory due to a political ban.

      Remote mining deep in enemy territory is pointless, because a minefield not covered by small arms/artillery fire is neutralized very quickly.
  12. -1
    13 September 2023 10: 15
    Therefore, whatever they do, it degenerates into a frontal assault under unsuppressed artillery fire.

    The question is - why “unsuppressed”? And there is no need for fairy tales about “hundreds of HIMARS-type installations, tens of thousands of high-precision missiles are needed” - the author simply moved in the wrong direction, according to the concept, by the way, together with the fashionable Caesars and the like, they cannot suppress enemy artillery! Pinpoint ONE-TIME strikes - and immediately pull them out of position, rather than methodically processing the front edge, then transferring them into depth, with constant work on the identified artefact, and the identified one!
    An error in the concept - a SMALL amount of artillery, because it is expensive, also with a low barrel life, because it is long-range like Caesars, and PSEUDO-RSZO with 6 missiles, unable to cover an area target even the size of a football field - created for other tasks, namely, to PUSH expensive artillery systems into the army instead of numerous, but cheap ones (nothing personal, but the margin is significantly larger. The Chimera is for sale, not for war). Which, by the way, are still capable of SUPPRESSING enemy artillery and destroying field fortifications hi
    1. +5
      13 September 2023 12: 19
      You really should cover your hat, really.
      A year and a half of war should teach at least something even to those who were not in it themselves.
      The video with 4 MSTA self-propelled guns covered with missiles with M142 in position apparently missed you.
      1. 0
        13 September 2023 13: 20
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Video with 4 MSTA self-propelled guns covered with missiles with M142 in position

        What is he talking about? About an isolated case of a blow to a battery? And now look at NUMEROUS shots of dill going into battle on armor WITHOUT artillery fire cover. What is he talking about? The fact that this is not an accident, but normal practice. because there is nothing to provide firepower with, so as for the hat-thrower, you’re going to cover up your all-weather gun. I didn’t throw manure, unlike you, but I went by the facts, and you responded with “hat-throwers” ​​with a one-time incident. Well, they defended Slavyansk with Nona alone - let’s just write off all the artillery ass, Nona in a 40-foot truck - will that be enough?
  13. 0
    13 September 2023 10: 33
    Everything is described in a complicated way, although the main idea is clear: isolation is a fire strike in DEPTH with the aim of preventing reserves from being brought in and interrupting supplies.

    BUT. This is not necessary, if you break through the front line relatively quickly (7-10 days), there will be no one to easily transport them.

    In my opinion, in this SVO wink We have not yet seen the classics - a massive concentration of forces and means in the direction of the main attack. In depth as well.
    There are 2 main reasons. We are not psychologically prepared for large immediate losses and the difficulty of camouflaging such a mass of troops.

    Or maybe they just forgot how to do it...
  14. 0
    13 September 2023 10: 36
    Guided/corrected projectiles for MLRS are a good thing, but these control/correcting systems are absolutely necessary. Package "Tornado" 12 pieces, which means 12 systems. Package "Grad" 40 pcs. Where will we get so much electronics from? And in this case, the output will be the same “highmars”.
    1. +4
      13 September 2023 12: 25
      And in this case, the output will be the same “highmars”.


      You write as if there is something bad in it
  15. 0
    13 September 2023 13: 15
    Some conclusions....

    War is always a confrontation between sword and shield. If the shield prevails, defense breakthroughs occur, if the sword - positional warfare. Paradox? No.
    During the First World War, the sword sharply intensified - machine guns began to be used en masse, as a result, attacks became impossible, and the infantry buried itself in the ground.
    During World War II, the shield sharply strengthened - tanks began to be used en masse, as a result, the defense could no longer survive under a concentrated tank attack, and a blitzkrieg appeared.
    In the current campaign, the sword has sharply intensified again - ATGMs and other means of destroying armor began to be used en masse, as a result, attacks with armor became impossible, everyone burrowed into the ground again (conditionally, of course, they began to hide and disperse in the bushes).
    Hence the conclusion - until the armor is strengthened (in the sense, tanks are not invented to protect against missiles of various types), the situation will not change.
    And artillery can’t solve anything here. Because, on the one hand, a breakthrough by tanks (when the defense is ready) will quickly multiply it by zero, on the other hand, aviation is a more serious means in terms of power and range and in concentrating force at the right point (i.e. in maneuverability) , it’s just that she now has the same problem as tanks - armor is inferior to the sword. If they find a way to shoot down anti-aircraft missiles, everything will change dramatically.
  16. +3
    13 September 2023 13: 21
    I also had questions about remote mining when I watched footage of the Ukrainian Armed Forces rushing from/to Artemovsk and now to Rabotino. Our artillery covers a lot of people, but it looks easier to cover the road every day with mines from MLRS. Then you won't drive anymore. Maybe the army doesn’t have enough such ammunition or installations.
    1. 0
      14 September 2023 14: 03
      This is especially effective when the minefield is then controlled by fire
  17. +6
    13 September 2023 13: 32
    The article is great. Even if this is an educational program for many civilians, it is very sensible.

    It is important that the article makes it clear that military operations are always difficult, expensive, and there is always an industrial and scientific base behind them. Which, unfortunately, due to the “reforms” of the army, economy, industry and science (i.e. the whole country) we lost.

    A very important issue remains outside the scope of the article - communication/transfer of information and its processing. This is not a minus of the article, it is an independent, but related task. Which is why the situation is also difficult.

    Regarding the positional deadlock. As follows from the article, it is difficult to solve it head-on. Therefore, it will not work without huge losses. What remains is a solution in the style of the Wehrmacht of 40, i.e. bypass through neutral countries.
  18. +2
    13 September 2023 19: 16
    Tornadoes are not much larger than tornadoes, the latter are made from the former. Isolation of the battlefield is made much simpler - the existing dozen coalitions are loaded with only red fields, they are given twice as many eagles, a pair of tori, an electronic warfare crew and an order to kill everything that moves in the square, well, except for foot enemies. Well, send more soldiers with lancets. The only question is about the production of Krasnopol-lancets, it seems that a year ago we were not very concerned with increasing the production of Krasnopol-lancets, and there are not enough lancets, it seems there are a couple of dozen of them per day.
    1. +1
      14 September 2023 14: 02
      There the Eagles will be knocked down, but the Coalition is such a murky topic that it is not clear whether they exist or not, with shells for them everything is also unclear, they have their own ballistic solution
      1. +1
        14 September 2023 22: 40
        Those who can knock down the eagles should be knocked out first. Coalitions seem to exist in nature, I think it is possible to make charges under Krasnopoli specifically for an operation. But this is some unprecedented level of planning for the Ministry of Defense, since if an area is isolated, someone must storm this area. I remember a year ago the dam near Krivoy Rog was broken and the Ingulets overflowed its banks, drowning the crossings. Here it is - isolation, go and finish it off! But it seems that our troops are in two quantum states - either they heroically defend themselves, or the enemy does not attack and they can exhale, that’s all. The river returned to its banks after a few days and that’s it - start over again.
  19. +2
    13 September 2023 20: 28
    Troops can be transported in small vehicles, half a squad at a time, one armored vehicle at a time

    Can ...
    But there is great doubt that the same 95th infantry brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was transferred “in separate sections”...
    The Internet is full of videos of Ukrainians transferring equipment, openly, battalion-by-battal, in broad daylight - and in response there is silence - because. air superiority is a fiction...
    1. +1
      13 September 2023 23: 59
      There is air superiority, but it would be good for him to conduct reconnaissance over enemy territory and for this reconnaissance to transmit coordinates quickly and where needed. And then Ugledar is a tiny city in the middle of the steppe, the entrances to it can be controlled from Mavik, and there were videos like that, but what’s the point if no one attacks the arriving reinforcements and doesn’t even bother about it? There, it was possible to turn three and a half roads around with cast iron and the enemy would not come so easily, but this apparently is impossible and against the rules
    2. 0
      14 September 2023 14: 01
      This is far from the front, and even in this case, God forbid, a company column.
      That’s why there must be long-range weapons and remote mining.
  20. +2
    13 September 2023 20: 39
    An article worthy of discussion and thought, but useless...
    No one on the general staff will consider this, they don’t bother their stripes, and the backness of the chair determines the level of thinking...
  21. +1
    13 September 2023 23: 27
    Quote: timokhin-aa
    This is an exchange of troops, a potentially very dangerous strategy, fraught with riots and even revolution.
    People are not consumables.


    People are consumables! And not very expensive for the enemy.
    To suppress riots and revolutions, there is the Gestapo and the Sonderkommando.

    Isolation of the combat area must be effective - along the border with NATO. Burn Galicia and transfer it to Poland. For any arrival from the Polish side - a blow to Warsaw...

    Trying to solve strategic issues using tactics is still a pleasure...
    1. +2
      15 September 2023 14: 52
      People are consumables! And not very expensive for the enemy.
      To suppress riots and revolutions, there is the Gestapo and the Sonderkommando.


      Our people are not consumables
  22. +2
    14 September 2023 17: 03
    The positional deadlock can be completely overcome by air supremacy. However, when you don’t have even one hundred Su-34s and one hundred Su-25s from the Baltic to Kamchatka, then there can be no talk of any air supremacy. This aircraft is capable of chasing tramps with AKMs and RPGs in Toyotas, but even the remnants of the Ukrainian-Wehrmacht air defense are capable of inflicting losses that deprive such a small aircraft of combat effectiveness. 400-450 Su-34 and 500-600 Su-25 would be able to completely isolate the combat area, together with UAVs, hunt for every self-propelled gun and missile launcher. Moreover, the loss of even 20-25 aircraft of each type would not become critical.
    Moreover, absolute air supremacy would make it possible to use strategic aviation against the enemy’s front line and artillery positions. Ten Tu-22M3 are capable of dropping 240 tons of bombs on enemy positions, which is 480 kg of “gifts” or 500 kg. And ten Tu-960s with installed cluster bomb racks are capable of bringing down 250 tons of bombs - 160 kg or 450 kg - on the enemy's heads.
    Aircraft dominating the air, delivering strikes non-stop, attack aircraft and helicopters chasing even an individual tank or car would deprive the enemy of the ability to maneuver even at the battalion level. All these "Hymars" would turn into game, hunted by dozens of hunters. After all, in addition to tactical reconnaissance UAVs, reconnaissance aircraft with equipment with much greater coverage, and strategic reconnaissance UAVs would constantly be in the air.
    These reconnaissance aircraft would guide air-to-surface missile carriers to targets in real time; the enemy would not have time to protect all these Highmars and other long-range fire weapons from a retaliatory strike.
    But there is none of this.
    In addition, the experience of both the Second World War and local wars showed that without massive air strikes on enemy artillery it would not be possible to achieve success.
    1. +1
      14 September 2023 22: 25
      However, when you don’t have even one hundred Su-34s and one hundred Su-25s from the Baltic to Kamchatka, then there can be no talk of any air supremacy.


      Let's add here another fifty dollars, about a Su-24M, a dozen MiG-29SMT, deck-based MiG-29K and KUB, capable of strike missions, and about a dozen Tu-22M3 should scrape together, and now the situation has become different.
      Moreover, it is possible to use the old Su-27 and Su-30M2, which are no longer valuable as fighters. The pilots will have to be retrained, but they will be able to throw bombs from the UPMK without any upgrades at all.
      Well, helicopters.
      And this is only the strike component, without fighter and cruise missiles, which must be used in synchronization with strike aircraft.
  23. 0
    14 September 2023 19: 07
    [quote]E. V. Prigozhin, in relation to the Wagner PMC, expressed it succinctly: “we don’t walk in columns” [/quote]
    A very good habit! But for some reason they decided to go to Moscow in a column.
    quote=timokhin-aa]I agree that this is a problem, but it won’t be like this forever.
    [/ Quote]
    Oppa! The author seems to know something?
  24. 0
    15 September 2023 04: 57
    Very good: complete, even comprehensive article!
  25. 0
    15 September 2023 10: 35
    Regarding Tornado-C, there is this quote from a text that has become widely known in recent days:
    Tornado-S is less resistant to enemy electronic warfare than HIMARS and the deflection of the adjusted projectile can be 700 or 1000 meters.

    (c) DSHR Rusich
    1. +1
      15 September 2023 14: 33
      This is a matter of refining the rocket, and nothing more
      1. 0
        15 September 2023 18: 31
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        This is a matter of refining the rocket, and nothing more

        Apparently, the issue of refining the rocket is not so simple. The Highmars have been ironing ours for more than a year, and we haven’t heard anything about an adequate response yet.

        How long will we wait for an adequate response to cluster shells, I’m sad to even think about.
        1. +1
          15 September 2023 19: 24
          Ours have been hammering them with 9M544 guided missiles since the beginning of the Northern Military District. It’s just lost in the scale of the meat grinder
          1. 0
            15 September 2023 20: 27
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Ours have been hammering them with 9M544 guided missiles since the beginning of the Northern Military District. It’s just lost in the scale of the meat grinder

            Well, I heard that they fucked up the drone exhibition in Chernigov. I have never heard of these missiles targeting enemy artillery. And now it has become clear why.
    2. 0
      15 September 2023 14: 51
      Where is this from? I don't see this on their channel
      1. 0
        15 September 2023 18: 29
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Where is this from? I don't see this on their channel

        https://telegra.ph/Vzglyad-snizu-Nedostatki-voennoj-sistemy-vyyavlennye-v-hode-raboty-podrazdeleniya-na-SVO-09-08
  26. 0
    16 September 2023 10: 44
    At the time of the proposal to use mines for an offensive, the question arose: how will our troops get through these (their own) minefields when they reach them?
    1. 0
      16 September 2023 12: 56
      Quote from Matyue games
      and how will our troops get through these (our own) minefields when they reach them?

      They can be programmed to self-destruct after N days.

      But this part of the author’s proposals, with mining the enemy rear, is generally weak. As I wrote above, such minefields are quickly bypassed (because they are not continuous), and then quickly neutralized (because they are not visible or shot through).
  27. 0
    16 September 2023 13: 11
    But what I didn’t notice from the author (perhaps the article is long) is the desirability of the systematic destruction of asphalt roads in the enemy rear. Even though the armored vehicles are tracked, almost all logistics remain wheeled. If every asphalt road is hollowed out with a funnel every hundred meters, the speed of movement will be significantly reduced. The author writes that the enemy uses bypass roads, this is true, but asphalt always remains preferable. It is also more difficult to mine.
  28. Eug
    0
    19 September 2023 06: 47
    I would not separate the tasks of the KBB and the isolation of the BD area. The second is impossible without the first. And as for the integrated actions of reconnaissance and strike drones, artillery, all types of ground reconnaissance, etc. - who can argue? But here the question of subordination and the level of decision-making arises - if it is overestimated, the effectiveness of actions will be very low.