ZU-23-2 on an armored car: a combat module for combating UAVs

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ZU-23-2 on an armored car: a combat module for combating UAVs
"Typhoon" with DUBM from the KEMZ Concern at the "Army-2022". Photo KEMZ


To combat small and light unmanned aerial vehicles, various means are offered, including small-caliber artillery. dscjre. effectiveness in this context should be shown by artillery systems using a projectile with a programmable fuse. Right now, the Russian industry is developing such an air defense system, and the old and well-deserved ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft gun is becoming its main element.



Perspective development


Work on a promising anti-UAV complex began several years ago at the initiative of the Ministry of Defense. JSC Concern Kizlyar Electromechanical Plant (KEMZ) was chosen as the Contractor. The company received the necessary documentation for existing products and started development work. The cipher of this project has not yet been announced.

At the Army-2022 forum, KEMZ for the first time showed the result of the work carried out. It was a prototype in the form of an armored car "Typhoon-VDV" with a newly developed combat module - a modernized 23-mm artillery mount ZU-23-2. A simulator for training shooters-operators was also demonstrated. During the first show, some features of the promising machine and some of its capabilities were revealed.

In February 2023, the Military Thought magazine of the Ministry of Defense published an article “Substantiation of the appearance and main tasks of the combat use of a promising enemy mini-UAV countermeasure complex”, prepared by specialists of the KEMZ Concern. It dealt with the issues of combating unmanned targets, incl. several real examples of technology. In particular, they spoke in more detail about the new DBM and mentioned the development of a 23-mm projectile with a programmable fuse.

On September 4, RT published new information about the progress of a promising project. The management of KEMZ spoke about the successes achieved and the imminent completion of the current work. Thus, the development of a projectile with a controlled detonation is successfully moving forward, and it is planned to be completed at the beginning of next year. They also clarified some technical features of the new air defense system.


Demonstration of the use of augmented reality glasses. Photo KEMZ / "Military Thought"

Thus, from the previously published information, it follows that KEMZ, in cooperation with related enterprises and organizations, is successfully coping with the task from the Ministry of Defense. The appearance of the new DBM has been formed and worked out, and prototypes are already being demonstrated. At the same time, in the foreseeable future, the development of the next element of the complex, which will significantly affect its capabilities, will be completed.

Technical features


The promising combat module from the KEMZ Concern was developed on the basis of the serial ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft gun. The latter received a set of new instruments and devices that provide target search and guidance in remotely controlled mode. The resulting module is universal and can be mounted on different platforms. Thus, the previously demonstrated sample was installed on an armored car of the Typhoon series.

When rebuilt into a DBM, the ZU-23-2 product retains the main elements of the gun carriage, including the platform with the calculation points. At the same time, the installation receives remotely controlled guidance drives, optical and other means, doubled boxes of ammunition, etc. Two 23-mm rifled automatic guns remain in their place. Their tactical and technical characteristics do not change.

For the new module, KEMZ developed the so-called. central computer system (CCS). It is a computer with special software made using elements of artificial intelligence. The Central Air Force collects information from optical-electronic means, from a weather station, etc., processes them and generates data for aiming and firing.

Of particular interest are the means and methods of controlling the DBMS and firing. So, at the disposal of the shooter-operator there is a traditional control panel and augmented reality glasses. The remote control can be used outside the car. The cable provides operation at a distance of up to 100 m, a communication radio station - up to 2 km.


Operator training simulator. Photo KEMZ / "Military Thought"

An image from the DUBM cameras is displayed on camera glasses. At the same time, the Central Air Force monitors the air situation, finds targets and gives the operator a video signal with target marks. The operator can select a target for firing and give a command to the automation. After that, the Central Armed Forces independently aims the guns and fires. The development organization conducted synthetic tests, during which it received a probability of hitting an air target at the level of 85-90 percent.

ZU-23-2 guns can use all existing 23x152 mm shells. In addition, a new shot with a high-explosive fragmentation projectile with a programmable fuse is being developed. Before firing, the CAF must determine the range to the target, the flight path, etc., and also enter the necessary data into the fuse using a programmer device. At a given distance from the gun, the projectile will explode on its own, creating a zone of destruction by shrapnel.

The new DBM can be equipped with portable missile systems. In this capacity, the modern product "Verba" is considered. With its help, the range of fire and reach in height are increased.

The new complex includes a simulator. It is made in the form of a chair with drives that allow you to simulate the movement of a combat vehicle, shaking, etc. The simulator includes a regular control panel and virtual reality glasses for visual simulation of a combat situation. The exercise chair allows for a full-fledged training of operators, and with maximum "immersion". It is possible to combine six simulators into a network for joint training in group work.

Old foundation, new technology


The remotely controlled combat module for combating UAVs, developed by the KEMZ Concern, looks interesting from a technical point of view and has every chance of going into production and entering service. This product has a number of important features and advantages that will simplify production and operation, as well as help to solve all the expected combat missions.


An upgrade option for the ZU-23-2 from the Podolsky EMZ. PEMZ photo

The new module is based on the old anti-aircraft installation, which provides well-known advantages. In fact, the DBM from KEMZ is a modified product of the ZU-23-2 - during its construction, it is not required to manufacture tools, carriage elements, etc. from scratch. At the same time, there are a lot of ZU-23-2 installations and spare parts for them in parts and in storage, which in theory will make the new module mass-produced.

In the new project, the old installation is supplemented with new monitoring and control equipment. Similar ideas were repeatedly proposed and implemented in other ZU-23-2 modernization projects, however, KEMZ made the module remotely controlled. Unlike the original installation and its improved versions, the operator of the new module is protected by armor. In addition, he does not face other difficulties associated with open placement.

Of great interest are the central computing system and its functions - they determine the capabilities and potential of the complex as a whole. All the necessary functions for independent and group combat work on all intended targets have been declared. At the same time, measures have been taken to increase the combat effectiveness and convenience of the operator. For example, elements of artificial intelligence in the CVS should cope with all calculations and reduce the load on the operator, while augmented reality glasses improve ergonomics.

Particular attention should be paid to the development of a new projectile for 23 mm guns. Until recently, the subject of programmable fuses did not receive due attention in our country, but then several similar projects started at once. One of them is being created by the KEMZ Concern and related enterprises, and it is planned to be completed in a few months.

The presence of a programmable projectile in the ammunition load seriously improves the combat potential of the DBMS. First of all, such ammunition is going to be used to destroy small air targets. Undermining at a given point in the trajectory with the formation of a cloud of fragments increases the likelihood of hitting the target. Small UAVs are not durable, and even individual fragments can destroy them. At the same time, the consumption of ammunition for one target will be minimal.


Modernized ZU-23AE installations at the Army-2023 forum. Photo Telegram / "Military informant"

A controlled detonation at a given point can also be used for firing at ground targets. It will allow you to hit targets behind cover or effectively attack entire enemy columns - due to the successive detonation of shells of the same burst at different distances.

With all the technical and combat advantages, the module from the KEMZ Concern is interesting for its versatility. The possibility of mounting it on the Typhoon armored car has already been shown, and other carriers may be used in the future. Industry and army craftsmen have repeatedly demonstrated similar capabilities of the base ZU-23-2 - and such experience can be used with the new DBM.

Past and present


The ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft gun was adopted by the Soviet army back in 1960. By now, this product in its original form is obsolete, but its characteristics can be significantly improved through the introduction of new devices and assemblies. In recent years, the domestic industry has proposed a number of similar modernization projects.

Another such development is offered by the KEMZ Concern. At the same time, his project, unlike others, provides for the transformation of the towed installation into a full-fledged combat module with remote control and various functions. In addition, a niche for fighting UAVs was found for him, in which 23-mm guns can show themselves in the best way.

According to known data, the DUBM project from KEMZ is successfully moving forward and confirms the expectations. In the foreseeable future, the development of a new ammunition will be completed, which will further improve the capabilities of the module. Probably, after that, the Ministry of Defense will evaluate such a development and determine its future.
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  1. +6
    6 September 2023 05: 30
    Zushka on an armored car is, of course, good. And where did the Shilki go, which are at least 2 times more effective?
    1. +5
      6 September 2023 13: 44
      and mentioned the development of a 23-mm projectile with a programmable fuse.
      At least they created 57 mm, what kind of zushka, only the name will remain from it, I repeat, we don’t take these shells into account. Advertising article, without reality.
      1. +1
        7 September 2023 10: 02
        Advertising article, without reality.

        From you said.... Do we have others? I'm talking about titanic achievements in the field of production and real life, essno .... For ten years now there has been a lot of hype and the advertising you mentioned with very more than modest results. if, of course, you are lucky and there are at least some results. Here, for example, they hit the moon ...
        And with the mass production of everything else on any significant scale .... Everything is real here, that is, sad ...
    2. +2
      7 September 2023 17: 33
      Shilki are not more effective, there both the radar and the Suo are not capable of hitting quadrics.
    3. +2
      8 September 2023 02: 17
      Quote: Amateur
      Where did the Shilkas go, which are at least 2 times more effective?

      How old are the Shilkas, what kind of hardware does it have, and how effective is it in modern realities?
    4. 0
      31 December 2023 16: 36
      The shilki are all rotten. Read their release years at your leisure.
  2. +19
    6 September 2023 05: 41
    There is no programmable fuse for the 30s, in mass production, for sure, to whom they trynd about 23 mm ?!
    1. +11
      6 September 2023 05: 53
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      There is no programmable fuse for the 30s, in mass production, for sure, to whom they trynd about 23 mm ?!

      There is no release, but there is a development program. And this situation can continue for a very long time, until the customer realizes that he is being led by the nose.
    2. +4
      6 September 2023 07: 47
      There is an article in LiveJournal about the development of "Tulamashzavod" and "NTC ELINS"

    3. +2
      6 September 2023 09: 18
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      There is no programmable fuse for the 30s, in mass production, for sure, to whom they trynd about 23 mm ?!

      So for the 23-mm we don't have them yet. But as soon as R&D is successful, they will appear not only for 23 mm, but also for 30 mm
    4. +2
      6 September 2023 16: 55
      In the early 2000s, I was told that we could do remote detonation in at least 45 caliber.
    5. -1
      6 September 2023 20: 34
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      There is no programmable fuse for the 30s, in mass production, for sure, to whom they trynd about 23 mm ?!
      At the end of World War II, a radio fuse was created in the United States. It does the same thing as a programmable fuse, but it has been made for a long time and is much cheaper. But it needs a radar to work. They could have made Shilki with such shells a long time ago.
      1. 0
        7 September 2023 10: 05
        Yes, yes, cheaper ... Considering that this program cost almost one and a half times more than the creation of an atomic bomb - undoubtedly cheaper ....
        1. 0
          7 September 2023 12: 15
          The creation program is possible, but the fuse itself was quite cheap.
          1. 0
            7 September 2023 13: 29
            And the program is not possible, but alas ... Yes, and cheapness .... In terms of quantity ... And yes, do not forget who and when did it))).
        2. -2
          7 September 2023 16: 30
          Quote: frog
          Yes, yes, cheaper ... Considering that this program cost almost one and a half times more than the creation of an atomic bomb - undoubtedly cheaper ....
          In the yard of the 21st century, solid-state electronics have long been created. So yes, definitely cheaper.
          1. 0
            7 September 2023 18: 09
            Solid state electronics .... What words ... "What magnificent physics" (c)
            Can you remind me what chips we produce in .... well, let it be, in the right scale? And not only chips, by the way ....
            I'm not saying that creating the device under discussion is impossible in principle. We, in particular, really need airplanes. And for the VTA and in general, these are all the An-26 and so on a little ... outdated. And we once knew how to do all this on the right scale. As well as many other things .... Tanks, for example))
            1. -3
              7 September 2023 21: 04
              Quote: frog
              Can you remind me what chips we produce in .... well, let it be, in the right scale? And not only chips, by the way ....
              Solid-state electronics are not only chips, but also discrete transistors. As for domestic microcircuits, I personally held in my hands a domestic (completely domestic) controller of the Baguette series, which had passed military acceptance. This was in the mid-2000s (2005, probably), it had built-in 4 MB of RAM and 4 MB of ROM (flash), a processor with the MIPS instruction system, so I think it was somewhere around 130 nm. The OS was there - our rehash of VxWorks. It cost about $10000 at the exchange rate at that time (I don’t remember how much it was in rubles).
              1. 0
                7 September 2023 21: 56
                Baguette..... How much sound is there in this.... And where is it in the series of the required quality and edible price??
                So you can remember the Divisional Commander and much more. But.... The developers I know are not very enthusiastic about these products. They are quite suitable for some tasks, but for the area mentioned here - hardly)). And not only for this...
                1. -2
                  7 September 2023 23: 12
                  Quote: frog
                  The developers I know are not very enthusiastic about these products.
                  Not delighted, dears, but they are there. When the technical specifications clearly prohibit imported components, a Baguette will do.
                  Quote: frog
                  but for the sphere mentioned here - it’s unlikely
                  Once the processor is made, then the overload-resistant analog sensor from the mid-20th century will be even more powerful.
                  1. -1
                    8 September 2023 10: 26
                    Not delighted, dears, but they are there.

                    Yes, so-so there is something... Well, that is, in general, of course there is. Like "Armata"....
                    Once the processor is made, then the overload-resistant analog sensor from the mid-20th century will be even more powerful.

                    Hmm.... And all this (and not only the sensor, which is not there)) will be stuffed into... where? In ME? Is there room there?
                    1. -1
                      8 September 2023 16: 50
                      Judging by the minus, there is still one who is confident that an invented device of unknown dimensions can be stuffed into the ME from the ZSU-23. Autumn optimism, however, can explain this wink
                      1. 0
                        8 September 2023 20: 06
                        Quote: frog
                        Is there a place there?
                        In 1944, he was stuffed into the fuse of a 127-mm projectile.

                        Quote: frog
                        Judging by the minus, there is still one, confident that an invented device of unknown dimensions can be stuffed into the ME from the ZSU-23.
                        Yes, here the minusator went through everyone, I don’t think that the minus has anything to do with fuses, rather something mental.
                      2. -1
                        8 September 2023 20: 56
                        In 1944, he was stuffed into the fuse of a 127-mm projectile.

                        Thank you, I'm pretty much aware. And they even pushed it into 3"). Later. But we are talking about something slightly different, aren’t we? We look at the cross-section of that same projectile, see how much space there is for the fuse, remember the dimensions of domestic electronics (micro) and ask the question - what will remain there from 24 elements, when do we screw in the radar fuse? 2, 4?? That's if we screw in.... That's if we can do it in large-scale production.... Which, by the way, is a separate topic)).What we did in the laboratory is by no means production could always do it. But today... Although there were regular problems with this before. And you need thousands, if not tens of thousands a month...
                        Do you know what is happening with the production of shots?))
                        Yes, here the minusator went through everyone, I don’t think that the minus has anything to do with fuses, rather something mental.

                        It's autumn again, the carousel of melodies is spinning (c) As for the mental - you are most likely right, the offended one is fussing about))
    6. 0
      7 September 2023 10: 03
      In this case, us. In general - to the domestic consumer of these products. I'm talking about advertising, not about shells, of course))
  3. +6
    6 September 2023 06: 16
    The most important thing is that the DBM can now operate from a remote device up to 100m. Now the ZUshka crew can hide in the dugout without the risk of being discovered by the enemy.
    If only this module had been supplied with a small radar with a detection range of UAVs and ground targets of at least 3-5 km, then there would be no price for such a machine.
    1. 0
      6 September 2023 13: 21
      But I just had a question: where are they going to get matrices for glasses?
      1. +3
        6 September 2023 16: 12
        Quote: whowhy
        where are you going to get it?

        Known in China.
        Gazprom hear shakes
        and I take. lol
    2. +1
      6 September 2023 13: 22
      The article mentions "optical-electronic means". Without this, there is little sense in such an installation - you can’t always see everything with your eyes.
  4. 0
    6 September 2023 06: 41
    Shooting from a wheeled platform? Well, the first two shells hit the target, the rest "in that direction."
    1. 0
      6 September 2023 07: 03
      Well, yes, it is necessary to hang out),,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    2. +4
      6 September 2023 12: 18
      The Typhoon-VDV weighs 13,5 tons, only slightly less than the BTR-82A with 15,4 tons. And the gun here has a 23-mm, with approximately half the recoil of 26 kN, versus a more powerful 30-mm on an armored personnel carrier with a recoil force of 40-50 kN.
      And where is the problem of the wheeled platform when shooting?
      1. +2
        6 September 2023 20: 51
        Two guns don't confuse you? ..........
        1. -1
          6 September 2023 20: 54
          And what's the problem, why should it be embarrassing? On the contrary, it allows you to choose ammunition.
    3. 0
      6 September 2023 13: 23
      An exact hit is not required - with a remote detonation, you need to get into a certain area so that a cloud of fragments covers
      1. +2
        6 September 2023 20: 52
        Yes, there is no this undermining damn it !!!!!!!!
    4. 0
      7 September 2023 17: 37
      So this is the point that due to the large scattered and at the same time high speed, an extensive affected area is created. This is not a sniper rifle, but an air defense system.
  5. +2
    6 September 2023 07: 32
    I'm currently building one! :)
    Finally, everyone began to put on wheels, hallelujah!
  6. +2
    6 September 2023 08: 08
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    There is no programmable fuse for the 30s, in mass production, for sure, to whom they trynd about 23 mm ?!


    Even if fuses are developed (they will buy American ones through intermediaries), then a 23-mm projectile is priced at a 30-mm one, but its power is 2 times less.
    1. 0
      6 September 2023 13: 24
      Their idea is probably to modernize the existing fleet of 23mm mounts. Maybe they figured out how to integrate the programmer. If not, your comment is correct.
    2. +2
      6 September 2023 23: 10
      Quote: Ivan Seversky
      Even if they develop fuses (they will buy American ones through intermediaries)

      Do the Americans have programmable fuses in calibers less than 30mm?
  7. 0
    6 September 2023 08: 15
    A very controversial decision. The projectile of this gun is small for a sufficient fragmentation effect. Even if there is a good and inexpensive programmable fuse, the effect will be small.
    It will not work to adapt the MZA to shooting at small drones at a low cost.
    Better to do something new from scratch.
    Roughly speaking, you need a small light gun with a firing range of 3-4 km. With a large projectile to give a lot of fragments. Ideally, a projectile that, after detonation, "shoots" the GGE forward along a trajectory with an angle of 45-55 degrees from the longitudinal axis.
    GPE weighing from 1 to 3 grams.
    What is suitable from what is? LShO 57 aka AGS 57.
    A large projectile in which a programmable fuse can be placed and there is plenty of room for fragments.
    Small and fairly light tool. Average accuracy and range.
    Of the minuses trajectory. But something is decided by a smart sight. And lack of development in production. But there will be more use than from 23 mm chirps.
    Now drink.
    1. +6
      6 September 2023 08: 58
      A programmable fuse is a very expensive solution and requires its own production of microelectronics. No matter how much we remember them, I doubt that they will appear in our country in the next decade.
      1. +2
        6 September 2023 09: 22
        Quote from Narrator
        A programmable fuse is a very expensive solution and requires its own production of microelectronics.

        ?????? Not always, you can use induced induction or a capacitor... There are already many solutions to this issue.
      2. +1
        6 September 2023 09: 40
        They have been there for a long time. And they can be mass produced. But the price deters buyers.
      3. +5
        6 September 2023 09: 43
        Quote from Narrator
        A programmable fuse is a very expensive solution and requires its own production of microelectronics

        "Programmable fuse" is too big a name. In fact, this is a primitive penny time counter with a trigger and a battery. The most expensive thing in this assembly is most likely the battery.
        It’s good that they didn’t name the projectile with artificial intelligence. And that would have bent prices even higher disorder.
        1. +2
          6 September 2023 13: 28
          What battery? What are you about? If you don’t bother to read even a little, why create fakes?
          The key component of the explosive device of the AHEAD projectile is the magnetoelectric generator. It ensures the autonomy of the power supply of the electronic circuit of the fuse and the independence of its functioning from the storage time of the shot.

          Start here, at least.
    2. 0
      6 September 2023 12: 24
      Quote: garri-lin
      What is suitable from what is? LShO 57 aka AGS 57.

      I think the LShO is not suitable for combating air targets. Baikal corresponds to a greater extent. In fact, we need to make a universal fuse, suitable for installation on a projectile of any caliber. In any case, the Western manufacturer is doing this and actively reducing the cost of the product by increasing mass production.
      1. 0
        6 September 2023 17: 00
        Baikal is Derivation. This is a large and expensive module on a large chassis.
        LSHO is much cheaper.
    3. 0
      6 September 2023 16: 45
      garri-lin
      This is Air Defense Derivation.
      Ttttttttttttttt
      1. -1
        6 September 2023 17: 01
        No derivation means 10 km of reach and a high price. What I'm talking about is much cheaper.
    4. 0
      6 September 2023 17: 36
      Did you write about derivation-air defense? She even has projectiles guided in flight. But where is she?
      1. 0
        6 September 2023 20: 11
        She's dear. So she’s gone. We need a mass-produced machine capable of cheaply knocking down plastics with a propeller.
        1. 0
          6 September 2023 22: 07
          There are many oligarchs, but there is no money for the war?
          Nonsense ...
          1. 0
            31 December 2023 23: 06
            There are many oligarchs. There is not enough money for everyone :)
  8. +2
    6 September 2023 08: 31
    Quote: garri-lin
    The projectile of this gun is small for a sufficient fragmentation effect.

    As I understand it, this is against drones (quadcopters, beavers) installation, where do they have more projectiles? Against bayraktars you need a shell
    1. +3
      6 September 2023 09: 42
      It is clear that against small fry. But at a distance of a couple of meters from the point of explosion, the fragments do not give a continuous field for a guaranteed defeat. Just not enough mass of the projectile.
    2. 0
      7 September 2023 18: 12
      The question here is not that a fragment of a quadric may not be enough (although this is also), but that the high-explosive effect is small, the projectile gives few fragments, that is, even if it explodes a meter from the quadric, it’s not a fact that the fragments will fall into this quadric, in the end, it’s just that the costs of radio detonation will not be commensurate with the increase in the chance of hitting this quadric ... Roughly speaking, 50 shells are needed, and 20 shells will be needed, and the costs of detonating shells will simply be economically unprofitable.
  9. 0
    6 September 2023 09: 48
    The presence of a programmable projectile in the ammunition load seriously improves the combat potential of the DBMS
    IMHO, how to fence such a garden, isn’t it easier to attach a pair of DShK plus a pair of PCs to it? The density of fire then will not require remote detonation ..
    1. +1
      6 September 2023 13: 01
      Then you don’t need the Typhoon-VDV chassis; in this case, the Tiger will suffice.
      And everything was invented before us.
      Meet the YakBU-12,7 aviation machine gun with a rotating barrel block.
      On the Mi-24
      1. 0
        7 September 2023 18: 16
        Well, I suggested this for a long time, and if we want to hit quadrics and ordinary and fvp, then most likely even GshG will be enough, and the trunks are more tenacious there and BC, even in a small jeep, you can take away dofiga and more.
    2. +1
      6 September 2023 16: 36
      And for the 7,62 mm caliber, they have already been implemented in metal, here you are late.
  10. +2
    6 September 2023 10: 25
    Everything new is a well-forgotten old one, they just added control automation. In principle, it’s right
  11. -2
    6 September 2023 10: 49
    And here is a remark from me, perhaps amateurish. The optics that are on small but good UAVs see beyond the range of anti-aircraft artillery. Accordingly, he (UAV) can open positions without entering the affected area and adjust the fire of artillery, give the LCC UAS. As I believe, it is necessary to ensure the guaranteed detection of small drones (about 1m in size or less) at a distance of at least 20km. So that his optics could not scan the area with high resolution. And for anti-drone systems, an integrated approach is needed: combining systems of radio technical and radar reconnaissance, optical and thermal imaging in order to identify any UAV signature. And then the suppression of his electronic warfare, small-sized missiles, if possible with a laser or an electric / magnetic pulse, and only then artillery. At the same time, missiles should have 2 types of guidance - fully autonomous with the possibility of high fire performance (defense from a flock of drones) or an attack with an external control center (when there is no clear UAV signature). El / mage impulse is also for protection against a swarm of drones. At the same time, such a complex should retain the ability to work on CR, MLRS shells. As I see it, the problem of fighting UAVs is the possibility of their early detection, and small size and speed, plastic materials, very low thermal signature - this makes everything difficult. And the ability to attack in a swarm from different directions is just an overload of the target channels - you need a different principle of defeat - when you press the button and all the little things in the 90x90 deg sector and at a distance of 20-30 km it just falls .. but better detonates in the air.
    1. -1
      6 September 2023 11: 58
      Anti-drone systems must be completely autonomous, that is, they must themselves: detect targets, select targets, aim weapons and open fire, transfer them to the next targets, reload, etc. Any systems with human participation will be too inertial, given that the person flying At a low altitude, a small-sized drone is detected at a distance of no more than 1-2 km and the reaction time is too short.
      1. +1
        6 September 2023 17: 15
        Full autonomy is only possible with full automation. Now a person is needed, but only as a person responsible for making a decision - to open fire or not. Otherwise, 50% of the downed will be their own birds that fly over the front line
      2. 0
        6 September 2023 23: 14
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Anti-drone systems must be fully autonomous,

        Everything is complicated there. Both in terms of technology and in terms of laws.
  12. -6
    6 September 2023 12: 28
    Why did everyone hit 23,30,57, 1, 2 mm? The Lobaev company has developed a DUM with sniper rifles for different calibers, as well as EOS compatible with rifles. Tests have shown the effectiveness of such systems against micro, small and medium-sized UAVs. XNUMX-XNUMX shots are enough for hitting the target. But another question is the cost of the rifles themselves.
    1. +1
      6 September 2023 12: 43
      Plus, don’t forget, the training of such a sniper must be at a very high level! You have to take lead, in three axes!
      1. -2
        6 September 2023 13: 13
        They have already come up with "smart" sights, with a built-in calculator.
    2. 0
      6 September 2023 23: 15
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      The Lobaev company has developed DUM with sniper rifles for different calibers, as well as EOS compatible with rifles. Tests have shown the effectiveness of such systems against micro, small and medium UAVs

      This is a circus. Like everything Lobaev does.
  13. 0
    6 September 2023 14: 51
    Right now, the Russian industry is developing a projectile with a programmable fuse

    Small-caliber guns without a radar will not cope with programmable fuses. Manually, with their rate of fire, setting up is not a fountain at all.
    So a target illumination radar is required in this case.
  14. 0
    6 September 2023 20: 32
    "... the development of a projectile with a controlled detonation is successfully moving forward, and it is planned to be completed at the beginning of next year ...." Well, until they finish it, until they take it into service .... These shells were needed yesterday! Is this not clear? fool We spend expensive missiles on cheap UAVs! hi
    1. +2
      6 September 2023 23: 20
      Quote: senima56
      Well, until they finish it, until they take it into service .... These shells were needed yesterday!

      Do not worry in vain. There were no such shells yesterday, and there won't be tomorrow. Regular RT report.
      Quote: senima56
      We spend expensive missiles on cheap UAVs!

      Don't waste, don't worry. Small drones are either ignored or crushed by electronic warfare, if there is an opportunity and a desire to take risks. Spending air defense systems on them is an empty business.
  15. 0
    7 September 2023 17: 01
    Quote: frog
    Advertising article, without reality.

    From you said.... Do we have others? I'm talking about titanic achievements in the field of production and real life, essno .... For ten years now there has been a lot of hype and the advertising you mentioned with very more than modest results. if, of course, you are lucky and there are at least some results. Here, for example, they hit the moon ...
    And with the mass production of everything else on any significant scale .... Everything is real here, that is, sad ...

    The elevation angle is good.
    The concept is working.
    If they give the go-ahead, they rivet, Mom, don't worry.
  16. +1
    7 September 2023 21: 11
    I felt dizzy from the amount of water in the text. Did you need to type the number of letters for reporting?
  17. +1
    7 September 2023 22: 28
    During the Second World War, an average of 2000 anti-aircraft shells were spent on destroying one aircraft in the air. So how many UAVs can be shot down with this miracle weapon, if the projectile’s flight range and effective range have not changed much since the Second World War (if we compare the same calibers), but the problem is that the size of the UAV is 2-3 orders of magnitude smaller compared to the size of the aircraft. It turns out that this is not a weapon, but a scarecrow, a toy
  18. 0
    24 September 2023 19: 21
    Will our army finally have a shell with a programmable fuse?
  19. 0
    30 October 2023 18: 16
    Even if I talk about guided ammunition, they take doubts of this caliber with detonation. It has two barrels and should be fired from them separately in terms of striking distance. I doubt that it will hit a drone flying in zigzags even at altitude, if you only catch the hovering phase for review at the same time and this should be done by one dedicated barrel with a belt feed. The second barrel works at close ranges, pouring buckshot with a confident radius of destruction on a fairly nimble target in the face of a drone. And this pair of trunks must be very wide-eyed in terms of viewing the upper hemisphere and must have a negative pointing degree. And the rotating platform itself, vertically and horizontally, this whole canoe should be powered by very fast and reliable electric drives. And I did not see any signs of the presence of a recoil damping system when shooting because it sways quite a bit during use (I have personal experience of shooting from this device more than a dozen times). I saw something similar with the Persians a few years ago and they were already autonomous there - maybe this technical idea came from their suggestion? I wanted to really feel the technical performance in terms of a combination of hardware + electromechanical platform + electronic control component + technical vision + what charges will be fired in terms of selecting a detected and captured target + the curve of the effectiveness of hitting a target to the consumption of ammunition as a result. Let's wait and see what happens and in what time frame.
  20. 0
    30 October 2023 20: 53
    For small UAVs, a 7,62 or even 5,45 Gatling gun is optimal. The ammunition is cheap, the guidance system is like a soldier based on tracers, it is intuitive and easy to learn. To support infantry or self-defense - just hit the road, mow down the green stuff or press heads in the trenches.
  21. 0
    8 November 2023 01: 55
    Is Podolsky Mechanical still alive? There, a warehouse with pyrotechnics exploded
  22. 0
    9 November 2023 06: 08
    23-mm shells with a programmable fuse...who do they want to feed this crap to?! Again empty chatter. Electronic warfare and only electronic warfare, nothing else will work in the segment of suppression of loitering ammunition.
    They would also suggest launching boomerangs at them. Degradation.
  23. 0
    4 December 2023 13: 16
    To shoot down a UAV you need something like a volcano or gsh-6-23