Why do Ukrainians cut up cluster shells and take out their contents to equip drones?

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Why do Ukrainians cut up cluster shells and take out their contents to equip drones?

Civilian unmanned aerial vehicles, widely used in the special operation zone as combat ones, have become carriers of completely different weapons, ranging from homemade bombs and conventional grenades, ending with shots for RPG-7 and even anti-tank bombs from the Great Patriotic War.

But it seems that the Ukrainians decided to show new miracles of ingenuity in this matter, putting under the knife the American 483-mm M1A155 cluster shells they have been asking for for so long in order to gut them into cumulative fragmentation submunitions for equipping drones.




They also wanted to use aerial bombs


In July of this year, Ukraine reported the arrival of the first batches of American 155-mm cluster shells. Having been banned in many countries of the world due to the great danger to civilians, these artillery “suitcases” carrying a deadly load in the form of several dozen small-sized cumulative fragmentation explosive devices, at the instigation of Kiev, have already become the next “super-weaponsto defeat Russia. However, not all of them were distributed to artillery ammunition.

Thus, a few days ago, on the banned and strongly condemned social network Twitter, videos were published showing Ukrainian military units “Achilles” of the 92nd mechanized brigade sawing an M483A1 cluster shell using an ordinary grinder. The footage shows how fighters, having sawed off the warhead, take out its contents in the form of cumulative fragmentation submunitions and then install them into a vertical release device on a quadcopter.

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It is still difficult to say whether this phenomenon is widespread or limited to one-time actions, but the precedent for the misuse of scarce military equipment at first glance seems very ambiguous. At least, if we remember with what desperation and hope the Kyiv representatives begged for this ammunition in the absence of unity of opinion among Western military officials, then an autopsy with an angle grinder somehow does not fit with their value.

However, there is nothing surprising here. Moreover, this is exactly the scenario where some of the “cassette players” will go to the needs of the unmanned aviation our enemy, was considered by some experts as possible even before they were delivered to the territory of Ukraine. But it's not about doubts about the effectiveness or fear of using conditionally non-conventional weapons.

Back in early 2023, there were reports that senior Ukrainian officials were negotiating with overseas colleagues about the possibility of acquiring rather old Mk 20 Rockeye II cluster bombs, each of which contains 247 cumulative fragmentation submunitions to destroy armored vehicles and manpower. And, as you might guess, the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not need these bombs to be dropped from airplanes - this is generally impossible in the current realities, because such products need to be used practically over enemy positions, risking being shot down.


They wanted to send them to the cut in order to take out the striking elements and equip them Drones. But, since the Mk 20 never crossed the Polish-Ukrainian border, the M483A1 howitzer turned out to be the only available weapon of this type, on which such experiments could be carried out.


Why are they doing that?


In order to explain the interest of the Ukrainian military in such an unusual use of shells, it is enough to look at the specifics of the use of civilian drones, which from the very beginning of the special operation became a massive weapon in the hands of both sides.

The fact is that at the moment there are two main types of such UAVs.

The first is FPV drones. Now they are supplied not only in the form of ready-made factory solutions, but also as a constructor, from which you can assemble a “buzzer” of the required parameters. Therefore, due to the high characteristics of carrying capacity, maneuverability and the peculiarities of control systems, these gizmos can drag and drop a variety of projectiles even into a maneuvering target - from homemade ones to regular shots for anti-tank grenade launchers. Which, in general, determined their role as kamikaze drones.

Russian FPV drone "Ghoul"

Russian FPV drone "Ghoul"

The second is ordinary quadcopters in the style of the famous Mavic and its brothers. Unlike FPV, these drones are no longer used for one-time "suicide" attacks. Their standard combat equipment is systems for the vertical release of explosive devices, which seriously limits the range of their ammunition, which is mainly (not completely, of course) represented by fragmentation ammunition.

Mavic 3 quadcopter widely used in NBO

Mavic 3 quadcopter widely used in NBO

They are extremely effective against infantry, including those hidden in the trenches, but armored vehicles in most cases are too tough for them - except to manage to get into open hatches, but both the presence of open hatches and a successful hit are not at all guaranteed. Therefore, attempts by Ukrainians to give greater versatility to these drones are constantly being made. Even the American 40-mm M433 cumulative-fragmentation grenades are used, which have undergone appropriate refinement for dropping and detonation at low impact speeds of free fall.

M483A1 cluster shells in this regard can be a very convenient "donor".

Supplied into service with the US Army back in the mid-seventies of the last century, they are typical representatives of old-generation cluster shells with a very simple design.


Structurally, the M483A1 consists of a fuse with a mechanically adjustable time delay and an expelling charge located in the head section. Behind them, through a steel diaphragm, there are 88 submunitions - 64 M42 and 24 M46, stacked in eight longitudinal sections and "clogged" in the tail section with a cut-off bottom.

In accordance with the delay chosen by the calculation of the artillery gun, in a given section of the trajectory, the fuse initiates a detonation of the charge, which ejects the contents of the projectile through the cut bottom, followed by dispersion over a large area.

The effect of a cluster shell on the left, a conventional high-explosive fragmentation shell in the middle, and an air-detonated fragmentation shell on the right

The effect of a cluster shell on the left, a conventional high-explosive fragmentation shell in the middle, and an air-detonated fragmentation shell on the right

Despite the different index, M42 and M46 differ solely in that the latter have slightly thicker walls and are placed in the tail of the projectile, where dynamic loads are especially significant. Otherwise, both of them are dual-purpose. Both ammunition is based on a shaped charge capable of penetrating about 70 mm of steel armor to hit the roof of armored vehicles, as well as a metal casing that is crushed during an explosion into fragments that are dangerous to infantry.


No smart homing systems - where it fell, it detonated. The fuse is an impact fuse, the sensitivity of which is adjusted to the speed of free fall, so extreme impact force is not required. And most importantly, the M42/M46 uses a rotary fuse to which a nylon tape is attached, which simultaneously serves as a stabilizer of the striking element in flight - unwinding due to air resistance, it moves the fuse to the firing position.

These submunitions do not require virtually any modification for placement on drones: it is enough to turn the fuse several times until it is in combat condition and can be mounted on the “copter” suspension. And, generally speaking, to some extent they really add versatility to drones, providing the ability to work with both manpower and military equipment not covered by “visors” and dynamic protection on the roof. Their armor effect, however, is relatively small, but lightly armored vehicles can suffer greatly.

M42/46 mount for quadrocopter

M42/46 mount for quadrocopter

Nevertheless, there are several nuances.

Firstly, such careless handling of cluster shells can end very sadly. Even with full observance of all the rules, they are generally not completely safe, as the US military says. So sawing with a “grinder” with measuring the distance between the expelling charge and the filling “by eye” is fraught with big fireworks with zinc boxes after it.

Secondly, more than 10% of submunitions of this type do not detonate at all when falling on the ground or armored targets and, in the absence of a self-destruction mechanism, can lie for many years. It is this feature, inherent in all “cassette players” and threatening the civilian population, that led to the signing of a convention banning them in many countries around the world. If we talk about American products transferred to Ukraine and having a considerable age, then the percentage of failures may be much higher and will already affect the very use of submunitions as weapons for UAVs.

However, if we omit these circumstances, a more acute problem is revealed.

Earlier, it was not for nothing that we noted that it is not yet very clear on what scale this non-target cutting of cluster shells is being carried out. Still, such ammunition is a scarce commodity and, despite the gigantic daily artillery fire, they are subject to at least formal accountability in any case. Therefore, it is most likely that units working with UAVs, if they receive "cassettes", then in a minimal amount in the form of conditionally or actually decommissioned copies for unsuitability for direct use.
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  1. +14
    2 September 2023 04: 44
    Question - the Russian army has a wide variety of cluster munitions. Hundreds of them are packed into various delivery vehicles, which means that somewhere there must be a conveyor production of these ammunition. Can some of these industries be repurposed for the production of small munitions for drone drops? I suspect that for drones this ammunition is rather easier to make than for some kind of "tornadoes" - cocking can be done even by pulling out the pins, and not by a complex system from a pressure surge in the cassette, etc. A small plumage, the sensitivity of the fuse so that it only explodes from 30 meters (in case someone accidentally drops it on the ground) and that's it, nothing complicated. Factory modifications of PTAB-1M, AO-1, ​​3B30, SHOAB-0.5, ZAB-1 ready to be dropped on the enemy is that difficult? Without any tricks with sawing ammunition or refinement on the knee of the VOG and shots for the RPG-7, which are also most likely not safe, or vice versa - do not always work?
    1. +3
      2 September 2023 05: 27
      In principle, it is possible to revive the production of Soviet cumulative bombs used in WWII, starting with the Battle of Kursk. Cheaper nowhere. Just right for a UAV. soldier
      1. +9
        2 September 2023 05: 34
        Do you have any idea what it’s like to start production from scratch, especially of this hazard class? The simplest question is where will you get the workers? And not just workers, but, at a minimum, with a high level of self-control, responsibility and compliance with the technical process to the point.
        1. +8
          2 September 2023 06: 15
          But how did teenagers make ammunition in WWII? As an engineer - technologist I understand everything. There is nothing complicated about this bomb. That’s what the manager is for, to organize everything, and not cry about where to get people, how to start production from scratch, how to ensure safety. Moreover, this is taught in institutes. The manufacturing technology of these bombs is so simple that they can be made at any mechanical enterprise. soldier
          1. +3
            2 September 2023 07: 17
            "But how did teenagers make ammunition in WWII?"
            1. And so they did that the sub-caliber shells did not penetrate the armor of German tanks because they were overheated. And when a commission arrived at the plant to identify saboteurs, I saw teenagers like this, who thought that they were weak and needed more, and no amount of talk helped. Do you want our guys to come across such ammunition at the front that will fail at the most crucial moment?
            2. Do we have a WWII-level war now?
            3. "The manufacturing technology of these bombs is so simple that they can be made at any mechanical enterprise." Precisely, cowards came up with the rules for handling explosives, and every mechanical enterprise has appropriate storage facilities and security.
            and 4. what I like the most: "As a process engineer, I understand everything. There is nothing complicated about this bomb. That's what the manager needs to organize everything, and not cry about where to get people, how to start production from scratch, how to ensure safety. " I see you are one of those who: "I'll "think up" here how to speed up our victory, and let someone else implement it." Excellent position.
            1. +6
              2 September 2023 12: 05
              You have excuses for everything, just to do nothing. And it’s difficult and there are no people, and it’s dangerous, but how is it starting from scratch, etc.
              Yes, now the war is at 90 percent of the WWII level. But they learned to fight there and wanted to win and put forward those who would be able to organize the necessary production of weapons. Machines were placed in the field and ammunition was fired. And now some people are releasing archaic UAVs in their personal garages.
              Can you really offer something for our victory? except for indiscriminate criticism of any ideas and proposals. soldier
              1. -5
                2 September 2023 16: 05
                Well, organize it, who doesn't give it to you? Or do you think that by writing a comment you brought our victory closer?
                1. +1
                  2 September 2023 18: 15
                  What is the purpose of your comments? Are you somehow bringing victory closer?
                2. 0
                  3 September 2023 07: 52
                  Quote: Coward
                  Well, organize it, who doesn't give it to you? Or do you think that by writing a comment you brought our victory closer?

                  And why then does the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation exist ?! fool
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            2. +1
              2 September 2023 16: 55
              Sorry about the shells, of course, the edge is interesting, although it seems like we should be talking about 41 years old and about armor-piercing shells for 45 mm guns of several batches. Well, it’s not the point, the point is that even if children worked as thermists on hardening steels, or shells, they could only work according to those processes and there could be no amateur performance.
              1. -3
                3 September 2023 02: 11
                “and there could be no amateur activity”
                No offense, but holy simplicity.
                1. -4
                  3 September 2023 05: 08
                  Let's tell how the schoolchildren managed the plant, with documents and other things
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                2. +2
                  4 September 2023 13: 47
                  The technical process is not a script for artists and creativity, when read and performed, does not provide for the word at all. Although if a person has seen the production in a movie or was told by friends or journalists, he can believe in creativity with temperature conditions during the hardening and normalization of steels and believes that perlite, ferite and cementite are the names of the goddesses of fire in the metallurgical religion.
                  1. +2
                    4 September 2023 19: 27
                    As a technologist with little experience (20 years), I responsibly declare that compliance with those. of the process, as well as safety precautions by the performers, are achieved by daily control by technologists and draconian punishments in the case of "artistry and creativity." And all the same, since you are not behind every worker, the results of "creativity" are observed with deplorable constancy.
            3. 0
              3 September 2023 05: 17
              Are you generally against comments on websites? Any suggestions? What then are you doing here?
          2. +2
            2 September 2023 08: 13
            Canning factory. According to the plans of the Civil Defense, canneries were supposed to produce such ammunition.
            1. +5
              2 September 2023 08: 36
              Out of ignorance, you are spreading false information. I suppose you have an association with tin cans, they say, instead of cans, they will produce cartridge cases? So canning factories do not produce cans. They come to them from tin-can factories.
              1. +2
                2 September 2023 13: 07
                Quote: Coward
                Out of ignorance, you are spreading false information.
                Google for the word PTAB.
              2. +2
                2 September 2023 13: 17
                Workshops. They come from the shops. On the territory of canning factories.
                1. 0
                  3 September 2023 02: 23
                  It used to be that he worked at the Dobroflot Group of Companies, it includes the Yuzhnomorskaya plant, located in the village of the same name, produces canned fish and seaweed salads in N6 cans, and these and other cans are brought to them from the Krasny Vympel tin-can factory, too part of the Dobroflot structure and located in the city of Bolshoy Kamen.
                  1. +2
                    3 September 2023 08: 25
                    We see it differently. at different factories.
            2. 0
              4 September 2023 10: 53
              Quote: garri-lin
              According to the plans of the Civil Defense, such ammunition was supposed to be produced by canneries

              About how! belay
              According to the civil defense plans, canneries could only provide bomb shelters, warehouses, premises for accommodating the population from the affected areas, hospitals and assigned personnel for the formation of civil defense units on the basis of a cadre regiment stationed in the region. And the participation of the enterprise by equipment and people on ATS, etc.
        2. 0
          2 September 2023 13: 34
          Do you really have to start from scratch? Today, there is an open field, there is no production, but should we produce either a million a month, or not do it at all?
          1. 0
            30 October 2023 16: 08
            Recently I saw on the news that an eccentric bought a shopping center and was riveting a UAV on the premises of this shopping center.
        3. BAI
          0
          2 September 2023 19: 03
          Do you have any idea what it’s like to start production from scratch, especially of this hazard class?

          Any cooperative can do it. Like during the war. Then they could
          hinders now?
          And if you use an automated, or better yet, automatic production line, there is nothing to talk about at all.
        4. 0
          11 September 2023 16: 37
          But they will have to pay, and not 30 or 50 thousand, which of the bourgeoisie will agree to this?
      2. +6
        2 September 2023 13: 25
        In principle, it is possible to revive the production of Soviet cumulative bombs used in WWII, starting with the Battle of Kursk. Cheaper nowhere. Just right for a UAV.


        Why revive something if all this is done to equip containers of KMGU?

    2. +1
      2 September 2023 05: 27
      and that's it, nothing complicated.

      Writing a comment is really not difficult. And the development of technological maps, restructuring of equipment, technical processes, and not to mention R&D for “the sensitivity of the fuse so that it only explodes from 30 meters (in case someone accidentally drops it on the ground”) takes a little more time than banging on the keys.
      1. +2
        2 September 2023 13: 29
        How much of the process needs to be changed? The ammunition is the same, only a different fuse and plumage. As I understand it, we decided that everything is complicated, maps, R&D, screw in another fuse and decided that let the soldiers spin the wogs in the basements. Well, this is not a comment to write, it's difficult, these are responsible people who have to do something
        1. -3
          2 September 2023 16: 09
          What other fuse? Do you have other fuses for this particular type of ammunition on the shelf?
          1. 0
            2 September 2023 18: 14
            Another fuze with a different cocking system, preferably manually. You take the drawings of the used one and replace three and a half parts with two others, and start producing improved ones instead of the old fuses. Are you a cissist, a security guard, or just narrow-minded? You are talking here that R&D and the work of dozens of institutes are needed to reduce the number of turns in the striker spring, do you at least understand something or do you have a set of universal answers, like a primitive neural network?
            1. -3
              3 September 2023 02: 07
              How will you select these three and a half parts? Will you do scientific research or calculations? How many tests will you conduct using the scientific poke method, or will you send the untested ones to the front?
              Are you a cissist, a security guard, or just narrow-minded?

              Classics, when arguments run out, insults and class manipulations are used. Directly from Soviet films: “Yes, you, Contra !!!”
              1. -1
                3 September 2023 05: 04
                Quote: Coward
                How will you select these three and a half parts?

                With the help of the brain, you know the thing. How do you develop fuses in general? For decades, scientific institutes have been calculating the force of pricking the striker, recalculating speeds?
                Quote: Coward
                How many tests will you carry out using the scientific poke method or will you send the untested to the front?

                we will conduct exactly one hundred and thirty-six tests, by the method of scientific calculations, within a month, an experimental batch. I understand correctly that, in your understanding, an ammunition fuse is something like a stand-alone server microprocessor with a 5 nm manufacturing process. Let's go in order - how long has the fuse for AO-1 been manufactured, how many institutes and how long has it been developed? How sophisticated equipment is needed?
                Quote: Coward
                Classics, when the arguments run out, insults and manipulations of class affiliation are used.

                I have a lot of arguments, you write nonsense in the style of "nivaz is possible, how is it? Either a quadrillion of tests and a million calculations, or be silent and do not write !!!!1111" So it is well deserved. Bonus to your nickname. Well, just don’t cry, but you’re more likely to do both, and the third, since you only have to respond to my proposals - it’s easy to make proposals, therefore it’s not necessary here, but it’s difficult to do, because it’s difficult and generally schoolchildren worked at the factory, didn't understand anything
                1. -3
                  3 September 2023 06: 58
                  we will conduct exactly one hundred and thirty-six tests, by the method of scientific calculations, within a month, an experimental batch.

                  ABOUT! And here R&D went into action, but they said that all this is not fucking necessary and you can quickly replace the parts without calculations and tests.
                  1. -1
                    3 September 2023 12: 15
                    Where did I write without calculations and tests? You decided to include the construction in the absolute, no one needs your many years of R&D and calculations for 10 years, the parts are made on the same machines, the revision is at most a month. And in your world, either schoolchildren are on their knees, or basalt has been refining ammunition for a million years, since there is no war. Why are you writing?
      2. BAI
        +3
        2 September 2023 19: 06
        And the development of technological maps, the restructuring of equipment, the technical process, and this is not to mention R&D for "the sensitivity of the fuse so that it only explodes from 30 meters (in case someone accidentally drops it on the ground" it takes a little more time than banging on the keys.

        Those who want to do so, those who don’t want to do so look for excuses.
        1. -4
          3 September 2023 02: 05
          Well, how much have you done? What kind of production did you open? What are you releasing? What are the reviews from the front?
          1. 0
            3 September 2023 05: 10
            What have you done for the front? What are you releasing? If you have nothing and even nothing to offer, then why do you dare to write here?
            1. -3
              3 September 2023 07: 09
              The classic Jewish response is to ask the same questions to the person asking.
              1. -2
                3 September 2023 12: 16
                What did you do before you started getting others? Nothing? Is it easy to write nonsense?
      3. +2
        3 September 2023 08: 11
        Quote: Coward
        and that's it, nothing complicated.

        Writing a comment is really not difficult. And the development of technological maps, restructuring of equipment, technical processes, and not to mention R&D for “the sensitivity of the fuse so that it only explodes from 30 meters (in case someone accidentally drops it on the ground”) takes a little more time than banging on the keys.

    3. +4
      2 September 2023 06: 56
      . Can some of these industries be repurposed for the production of small munitions for drone drops?

      This is impossible. To do this, it is necessary that the drone be standard, so that it passes the tests and is accepted into service. Here we see the production of improvised means. As a result of the operation, there will undoubtedly be a transformation of the army. Our army will become the most efficient in the world. God bless you survive
      1. -3
        2 September 2023 13: 33
        Apparently, for this huge combat capability, it is necessary that someone start dispersing the bureaucrats with their development of standards that do not meet the rapidly changing demands of our time, but receive large salaries in a timely manner
        1. -4
          3 September 2023 02: 44
          In your opinion, should go to the front anyhow like a weapon molded on the knee, which will give nine failures for ten "shots"? Parts should not be interchangeable, like disks for PPSh?
          1. +1
            3 September 2023 05: 08
            Of course not, I wrote that the soldiers should not finish the wogs. And in your opinion, it is impossible to remake the existing elements of cluster munitions for dropping from drones? Why is it so difficult? What is the fundamental difference? Are there any intelligible arguments other than disks from PPSh and schoolchildren casting shells?
            1. -4
              3 September 2023 08: 00
              Where did you read that I was talking about the impossibility of converting or setting up the production of the required ammunition? I say that this is not a matter of five minutes and not handicraft, as some write here. I write that if we want the weapon to work flawlessly, and the ammunition to explode on the head of the enemy, and not in the hands of our fighters, then we need to correctly calculate all the components, conduct tests and establish a production process with high culture and technological discipline. Otherwise, many believe that it is enough to write a pathetic comment and tomorrow everything will appear in the troops. Moreover, these same "specialists" will yell about thieves in power when low-quality weapons go to the front.
              1. 0
                3 September 2023 12: 17
                Where did you see what I wrote about artisanal production? I wrote about the repurposing of current production facilities, which they didn’t get around to doing in a year and a half. There is work on alteration and testing for a couple of months.
    4. -2
      2 September 2023 20: 09
      -Why do Ukrainians cut cluster shells?
      I wouldn’t be surprised if they put drugs instead of ammunition
  2. +1
    2 September 2023 05: 29
    The submunitions in these shells have an armor penetration of 70mm, which is much greater than the thickness of the turret roof and the tank's mechanical support. So even a tank with a certain degree of bad luck will suffer from this shell
  3. -17
    2 September 2023 07: 04
    And we continue to show acts of goodwill when there are nuclear charges that could send thousands of Vushnikovs to the next world
    Why don’t they arrange Armageddon one day to hit the places of accumulation of nuclear charges, so that like rats they scatter in all directions
    1. +1
      2 September 2023 07: 10
      Quote from Alexwar
      And we continue to show acts of goodwill when there are nuclear charges that could send thousands of Vushnikovs to the next world
      Why don’t they arrange Armageddon one day to hit the places of accumulation of nuclear charges, so that like rats they scatter in all directions

      China's position probably has a big impact here. China, for purely its own reasons (it is afraid that its neighbors will quickly acquire their own nuclear weapons), does not want the use of nuclear weapons in the Northwestern Military District zone. Well, taking into account the fact that a significant part of foreign trade depends on imports from China, one must listen to his opinion.
      1. -2
        2 September 2023 07: 20
        Quote from Escariot
        then his opinion must be heeded.

        There is now such a dependence that when quite recently China on the official map of the country slaughtered lands from neighboring states. All the neighbors were outraged except Russia. Although they slaughtered us as outrageously as possible, it’s not even a matter of the size of the slaughtered. And the fact that we signed an agreement with the Chinese not so long ago with the transfer of land to China in order to settle all territorial disputes once and for all
      2. 0
        10 September 2023 13: 26
        So China's neighbors - India, Pakistan, Russia, North Korea, have long been nuclear...
        1. -1
          16 October 2023 19: 06
          Quote: stankow
          So China's neighbors - India, Pakistan, Russia, North Korea, have long been nuclear...

          Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and Vietnam - not yet nuclear
    2. +5
      2 September 2023 07: 26
      Armageddon in Ukraine would be a 100% holiday for the Anglo-Saxons, not for us.
    3. +2
      2 September 2023 07: 26
      . Why don't they arrange Armageddon one day to hit the places of accumulation of nuclear charges

      Because that is not the purpose of the operation. Don't forget about goals. They are voiced from the very beginning. Roughly speaking, we must liberate, and not transform the country into a ruin. Otherwise, we are really a danger to the whole world. You have to stick to the goal. And go to her. Yes, on the rocks. Yeah it's hard...
      1. 0
        2 September 2023 12: 27
        Quote: igorbrsv
        Because that is not the purpose of the operation. Don't forget about goals. They are voiced from the very beginning. Roughly speaking, we must liberate, and not transform the region into ruin.

        Europe had already been liberated, we thought so, but they didn’t think so and now they hate us for it, because they treated them gently and did not complete denazification. It will be the same with Ukraine.
      2. 0
        3 September 2023 08: 41
        Quote: igorbrsv
        . Why don't they arrange Armageddon one day to hit the places of accumulation of nuclear charges

        Because that is not the purpose of the operation. Don't forget about goals. They are voiced from the very beginning. Roughly speaking, we must liberate, and not transform the country into a ruin. Otherwise, we are really a danger to the whole world. You have to stick to the goal. And go to her. Yes, on the rocks. Yeah it's hard...

    4. -2
      3 September 2023 08: 17
      Quote from Alexwar
      And we continue to show acts of goodwill when there are nuclear charges that could send thousands of Vushnikovs to the next world
      Why don’t they arrange Armageddon one day to hit the places of accumulation of nuclear charges, so that like rats they scatter in all directions


      At least TNW?
    5. +1
      6 September 2023 09: 19
      The use of nuclear weapons is a signature under our helplessness.

      The question arises.
      Was the USSR supposed to bomb Afghanistan with nuclear weapons?
      Will the US bomb Vietnam?

      You have a star in your profile picture, but even the USSR did not allow such discussions and was more responsible towards nuclear weapons than the living ones, who become hysterical if something goes wrong “Nuclear weapons!!! Bomb everyone!!!"
      1. -1
        3 November 2023 05: 00
        Drawing red lines is the signature of our helplessness. And the use of nuclear weapons is decisive action in deeds, not in words.
    6. 0
      11 September 2023 16: 42
      You, as I understand it, are a victim of the Unified State Exam and firmly believe in the selectivity of radiation depending on nationality? Where do these people come from, ignoramuses?
      1. -1
        3 November 2023 04: 57
        You're ignorant, why not fire tactical nuclear weapons into the tunnels in western Ukraine?
  4. -12
    2 September 2023 07: 09
    What a pity that our leader is not able to respond with Ramstein tapes. The United States is indirectly, but nevertheless directly, at war with us, but we do not respond either formally or meaningfully.
    1. +10
      2 September 2023 07: 22
      It's good that our Leader has more brains than individuals who want "the whole world into dust."
      1. -6
        2 September 2023 07: 45
        Agree. The 8-year delay from the recognition of the coup in Ukraine to the start of the war is the sign of the Leader you cited. Given the acceleration of time, one can expect a decrease in such a delay with the start of a response to the Americans. And how many more expectations are ahead - a mobilization economy, 25 million jobs, ..
        1. -2
          2 September 2023 08: 08
          But it wasn't just the delay. We were re-equipping and modernizing. The plan was set at 70%. Well, were we more combat-ready in 2014? No. But the enemy also strengthened during this time. But neither could we. And now the terrible modernization of the troops will go. Everything will be revised in a modern way. If only there was enough strength. But we don't even have another mobilization. Although I think it's time to call on 300 thousand. Prepare and destroy this situevina
          1. 0
            11 September 2023 16: 45
            Have you already volunteered, or are you just calling on others?
      2. +3
        3 September 2023 09: 14
        Quote: Coward
        It's good that our Leader has more brains than individuals who want "the whole world into dust."

        Yes, the "unsurpassed master" of multi-moves, the "great grandmaster" "outplayed" everyone.

        Such a "grandmaster" has long needed feel
  5. +1
    2 September 2023 07: 25
    So, the need for inventions is cunning ...
    In this case, the fiction is very dangerous for the nominees as well.
    1. 0
      6 September 2023 09: 23
      They immediately stated that they would seize submunitions for drones, this was one of the reasons why they drowned for these shells.
  6. +1
    2 September 2023 07: 53
    If we talk about American products transferred to Ukraine and having a solid age, then the percentage of failures can be much higher and will already affect the very use of damaging elements as weapons for UAVs.

    The author first writes about the ingenuity of the enemy. And suddenly that these bombs might not work.
    Yes, don't care that they can not work! Sometimes they will work, and some of our fighters will be killed.
    Goal for fiction is cunning.
  7. 0
    2 September 2023 11: 28
    Isn’t it fate to simply produce submunitions and send them in their original packaging?
    I understand that during the war, partisans mined explosives from aerial bombs, but this is already an extreme case, when there was no other way out.
    1. -1
      2 September 2023 12: 53
      Quote: Not the fighter
      Isn’t it fate to simply produce submunitions and send them in their original packaging?
      I understand that during the war, partisans mined explosives from aerial bombs, but this is already an extreme case, when there was no other way out.

      So they have not been produced for 20 years, so they have to be delivered in such packaging
  8. +2
    2 September 2023 20: 07
    And I was surprised when I read a couple of days ago in the news about the death of four Ukrainian soldiers who sawed an artillery shell with a grinder.
  9. +3
    3 September 2023 05: 54
    The author is a little disingenuous. First, the failure rate on DPICM is estimated at 3-4%; 10% - a figure taken from the ceiling on the basis of "the enemy always lies because he is the enemy." Secondly, reasons failures include loss of stabilization due to close explosions of submunitions from the same projectile, and hitting soft ground - with retail delivery by drones instead of wholesale projectiles or MLRS, these factors are leveled. Thirdly, cluster shells are not in any shortage - the Americans have about three million of them in their warehouses as a dead weight. The American army cannot use them, since there is a congressional directive prohibiting the use of cluster munitions that give more than 1% failure, so they were slowly sawn into practical ones. The transfer of this stock to the Armed Forces of Ukraine is just cheap disposal, and several tens or even hundreds of shells that will be gutted into warheads for drones are a tiny drop in the general sea of ​​​​supplies.
    1. -2
      3 September 2023 09: 52
      Quote from: Barmaglot_07
      The author is a little disingenuous. First, the failure rate on DPICM is estimated at 3-4%; 10% - a figure taken from the ceiling on the basis of "the enemy always lies because he is the enemy." Secondly, reasons failures include loss of stabilization due to close explosions of submunitions from the same projectile, and hitting soft ground - with retail delivery by drones instead of wholesale projectiles or MLRS, these factors are leveled. Thirdly, cluster shells are not in any shortage - the Americans have about three million of them in their warehouses as a dead weight. The American army cannot use them, since there is a congressional directive prohibiting the use of cluster munitions that give more than 1% failure, so they were slowly sawn into practical ones. The transfer of this stock to the Armed Forces of Ukraine is just cheap disposal, and several tens or even hundreds of shells that will be gutted into warheads for drones are a tiny drop in the general sea of ​​​​supplies.

      It’s just not clear why gutting suitable artillery shells for this. There are also warheads from M26 missiles. There are 7 thousand of them in one package. Yes, and sawing aluminum is more pleasant than a piece of iron
      1. +1
        3 September 2023 10: 31
        Quote from Escariot
        There are also warheads from M26 missiles.

        They haven't been delivered yet. As well as Rockeye bombs, which the Ukrainians have long wanted to gut into drone ammunition. Therefore, in the absence of a stamp, they write on the closet.
      2. -1
        3 September 2023 13: 15
        Quote from Escariot
        Yes, and sawing aluminum is more pleasant than a piece of iron

        Bulgarian? Not at all.
        1. -1
          3 September 2023 20: 16
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote from Escariot
          Yes, and sawing aluminum is more pleasant than a piece of iron

          Bulgarian? Not at all.

          Jigsaw.
          1. -1
            3 September 2023 20: 28
            Quote from Escariot
            Jigsaw.

            Yes, at least saw with threads.