The use of the Kyiv regime missiles "Neptune"

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The use of the Kyiv regime missiles "Neptune"
Experimental complex "Neptune" being tested


Over the past few years, Ukraine has been boasting of its new development - the RK-360MTs coastal missile system with the R-360 Neptune anti-ship missile. Great hopes were placed on the complex and the missile and it was expected that they would seriously improve the strike capabilities of Ukrainian formations. Recently, they have been trying to use the Neptune product against Russian targets, and it does not live up to expectations. The obsolete missile turned out to be an easy target for our air defense.



Negative experience


Various reports of attempts to use Neptune anti-ship missiles against Russian objects and ships have been received almost from the very beginning of the Special Operation. However, until recently such news did not receive confirmation. There was banal propaganda, initially based on forgeries.

However, there were also reliable reports related to the Ukrainian DBK / RCC. Last year and this year, the Russian armed forces repeatedly attacked enemy military factories involved in the production of Neptunes. Apparently, as a result of these events, Ukraine lost the opportunity to produce new complexes and missiles for them - in large quantities or at all.

Apparently, before the destruction of production, the enemy managed to accumulate a certain supply of missiles and ground-based weapons of the complex. Now they are trying to use them against Russian targets.

A few days ago, the Ukrainian “press” reported that on August 23, the Neptune complex, using a modified anti-ship missile system, allegedly attacked and hit the Russian S-400 anti-aircraft system in Crimea. The “news” was accompanied by a video showing some kind of explosion and scattering of debris. It is not possible to accurately determine the location and circumstances of the shooting. At the same time, any reliable confirmation of the strike on our air defense system has not yet appeared, and you should not take the Ukrainian side’s word for it.


Rocket R-360

However, it soon became known that the Kiev regime was really trying to use Neptune products. Thus, on the afternoon of August 28, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported an enemy attempt to attack Russian targets in Crimea. A Ukrainian cruise missile was intercepted over the Black Sea off the coast of the peninsula. The type of this product was not mentioned in that message.

On August 29, in its daily report, the Ministry of Defense mentioned the successful interception of a number of enemy missiles and missiles. In particular, the air defense hit the enemy Neptune product. Apparently, this particular missile was heading towards Crimea the day before, but was shot down over the sea.

It is likely that new reports of the use of Neptune missiles will appear in the near future. These episodes will predictably end with the interception of flying anti-ship missiles, which, however, will not prevent Ukrainian propaganda from again proudly talking about the successful defeat of targets.

New from old


It must be recalled that the R-360 Neptune missile is actually a modified version of the older Soviet-designed Kh-35 anti-ship missile. At one time, Ukrainian SSR enterprises participated in the production of such missiles and had the necessary documentation. Subsequently, production stopped, but in the mid-XNUMXs a decision was made to resume it independently.

Several Ukrainian enterprises reworked the original X-35 design; Their main task was to replace unavailable devices and units with their own products. In addition, the RK-360MTs coastal missile system was being developed, also based on available components.


Start of a rocket

In 2015, the components of the future DBK began to be shown at exhibitions, and in the spring of 2016, the first test launch of the rocket took place. The tests were completed in mid-2020, and at the same time the complex was officially put into service. The start of serial production of ground assets and missiles was expected. In the foreseeable future, it was planned to produce three divisional sets of equipment.

The first divisional set of Neptunes, consisting of 19 vehicles for various purposes and other equipment, reached the troops by mid-2021. It was expected that contracts for new batches of equipment would be concluded and the corresponding production would start. However, it is unknown whether these plans were completed before the destruction of production facilities.

Remaining potential


According to known data, one division of the RK-360MTs Neptune coastal missile system includes about two dozen vehicles for various purposes, a large number of missiles and other means. All the main components of the DBK are made on the Tatra or KrAZ truck chassis, which allows them to quickly change position and prepare for launches. With all this, the complex needs the help of third-party means of detection and target designation.

The work of the unit is controlled by the command post RKP-360. R-360 missiles are transported and launched by USPU-360 self-propelled launchers. The operation of the latter is ensured by transport-loading machines TZM-360 and transport TM-360.

Each launcher contains four transport and launch containers with R-360 missiles. Transport and transport-loading vehicles also carry four TPKs. The total ammunition load of one division is 72 missiles. Of these, up to 24 are at USPU-360 and are ready for use.


The R-360 Neptune missile is a modified copy of the old Kh-35 and has similar characteristics. It is made in a cylindrical body with a length of 5,5 m and a diameter of 380 mm with foldable planes with a span of 1,3 m. The launch weight is 870 kg. Of these, 150 kg falls on a high-explosive penetrating warhead.

Active radar homing is used. Ukrainian enterprises managed to create their own analogue of the Soviet GOS of the ARGS-35 type with similar characteristics. During the tests, such a head showed the possibility of targeting large radio-contrast surface targets. Its capabilities when attacking ground targets raise questions.

“Neptune” is equipped with a solid propellant starting engine and a sustainer turbojet MC-400 – a Ukrainian copy of the Soviet R-95-300. Along the trajectory, the missile develops a speed of at least 0,8 M. The flight takes place at altitudes of no more than 300 m with an additional decrease near the target. Range – 280 km.

Countermeasures


From the point of view of air defense, the R-360 missile is a subsonic aerodynamic target that does not have means to reduce visibility. Such an object is quite easy to detect and intercept, and flying over a flat sea surface further simplifies the operation of the radar and air defense systems. What should be the end of attacks using such weapons, showed a recent incident off the coast of Crimea.


Transport and launch container after launch

A simultaneous salvo from an entire missile battalion can pose certain difficulties for air defense. 24 missiles are capable of creating an increased load on defense systems. Under certain conditions, it is even possible for individual products to achieve their goals.

However, this option for using the Neptune DBK is unlikely. It cannot be ruled out that Ukraine simply does not have a sufficient number of missiles for massive use. In addition, such a salvo can unmask the starting position and lead to a retaliatory strike. As a result, the already low potential of the complexes will be further reduced.

Predictable outcome


Thus, after a long wait, Ukrainian formations began to use the Neptune coastal missile system with the anti-ship missile of the same name. However, so far only one missile launch is reliably known, which was successfully intercepted by Russian air defense. Another announced launch with the alleged defeat of the Russian air defense system looks more like another “victory” for the media space.

It should be expected that R-360 launches will continue. However, they will be infrequent and will not give the Kyiv regime the desired result. This practice will continue until the accumulated stock of missiles is used up, which cannot be restored now. How quickly the enemy runs out of Neptunes directly depends on the actions of our air defense, which has already shown its capabilities.
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  1. -4
    31 August 2023 05: 07
    It is likely that new reports of the use of Neptune missiles will appear in the near future. These episodes will predictably end with the interception of flying anti-ship missiles, which, however, will not prevent Ukrainian propaganda from again proudly talking about the successful defeat of targets.

    And human consciousness at the same time.
    In Ukraine, the people without exception believe that "Moscow" was sunk by two or three "Neptunes", in Russia there are much fewer believers in this, but they exist.
    There is a photo with an Exocet missile hitting a decommissioned destroyer.

    And there is a photo of the dying "Moscow" with several spots on the port side, which dill propaganda passes off as the places where Neptune missiles hit.
    On the left - these spots on board the "Moskva", and on the right - the place where the Exocet missile hit, conditionally transferred to the board of the "Moskva".
    1. AAK
      +20
      31 August 2023 06: 29
      It’s not a matter of whether it was “Neptune” or not “Neptune” that hit the “Moscow” that started the fire, the subsequent destruction of the hull and the death of the ship... There is only one fact - the flagship of the fleet died. Here the author casts a shadow on the fence about August 23... again, it doesn’t matter whether this battery was S-400 or S-300 and “Neptune” or not “Neptune” hit this battery, the fact is again the same - in the battery was hit... Well, the leitmotif of the entire opus - "Neptune" - is outdated garbage and poses a danger only during a salvo launch of the entire division.... then, according to the logic of the author of the DBK "Ball" of the Russian Navy, as an even more outdated brother of "Neptune" - garbage in twins?
      1. +18
        31 August 2023 07: 09
        Quote: AAK
        then, according to the logic of the author of the DBK "Ball" of the Russian Navy, as an even more outdated colleague of "Neptune" - double garbage?

        No, Ryabov’s bullshit is all imported, but ours is excellent, or else it will serve.
      2. +11
        31 August 2023 10: 32
        Quote: AAK
        Well, the leitmotif of the entire opus - "Neptune" - is outdated garbage and poses a danger only with a salvo launch of the entire division ... then, according to the logic of the author of the DBK "Ball" of the Russian Navy, as an even more outdated colleague of "Neptune" - double garbage?

        You are bad at doublethink, tovarisch. Well, nothing, Minilube will help you.
        In fact, for a confident user of doublethink, everything is simple. "Neptune" is an obsolete, modified version of the old Soviet-designed X-35 anti-ship missile system. Which, as the author wrote to us a year and a half ago, is one of the best domestic developments in its class, and maybe one of the best in the world. And nothing else! smile
        Doublethink means the ability to simultaneously hold two contradictory beliefs. The party intellectual knows in which direction to change his memories; therefore, he realizes that he is cheating with reality; however, with the help of doublethink, he assures himself that reality remains intact. This process must be conscious, otherwise it cannot be carried out accurately, but it must also be unconscious, otherwise a feeling of lying, and therefore guilt, will arise. Doublethink is the soul of Ingsoc, as the Party uses deliberate deception to stay firmly on course towards its goal, and this requires complete honesty. To tell a deliberate lie and at the same time believe in it, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient and to retrieve it from oblivion as soon as it is needed again, to deny the existence of objective reality and to take into account the reality that you deny - all this is absolutely necessary.
        © J. Orwell
      3. +1
        1 September 2023 23: 51
        There is a head with increased discreteness, due to the new matrix (and who does it ... :-), and, damn it, slap in azimuth with height control on the plain with sho zhopies, sho with something else - easy. There are no optics (IMHO). Here is a capture to ensure with such a height and EPR ... It's like an honest Abramvovich and the money of local pensioners ... Lupanuli most likely complex ...
        1. Eug
          0
          4 November 2023 19: 12
          So it seems that in the USSR, the Zhytomyr Research Institute ARGSN developed for the X-35... and the matrices (thermal) at the Kiev Arsenal made the best in the USSR...
    2. +3
      31 August 2023 10: 42
      Quote: Comrade
      It is likely that new reports of the use of Neptune missiles will appear in the near future. These episodes will predictably end with the interception of flying anti-ship missiles, which, however, will not prevent Ukrainian propaganda from again proudly talking about the successful defeat of targets.

      And human consciousness at the same time.
      In Ukraine, the people without exception believe that "Moscow" was sunk by two or three "Neptunes", in Russia there are much fewer believers in this, but they exist.
      There is a photo with an Exocet missile hitting a decommissioned destroyer.

      And there is a photo of the dying "Moscow" with several spots on the port side, which dill propaganda passes off as the places where Neptune missiles hit.
      On the left - these spots on board the "Moskva", and on the right - the place where the Exocet missile hit, conditionally transferred to the board of the "Moskva".

      Moscow was visible only from one side, what kind of damage on the other side is another question
      1. +4
        31 August 2023 12: 24
        The shooting at the decommissioned destroyer of the Exoset anti-ship missiles, which you are trying to cite as evidence of the impossibility of destroying the cruiser pr. 1164 with two anti-ship missiles, only proves your misunderstanding of the subject.

        On warships, such as the cruiser Moscow was, there is ammunition and fuel, which, when hit by anti-ship missiles, begin to burn / detonate, which actually happened to Moscow after two hits by anti-ship missiles.
        Maybe the cruiser's hull could withstand a dozen hits of anti-ship missiles, but even one is critically enough to ignite and detonate the ammo.

        But target ships for firing often do not contain either fuel or ammunition on board, or any other valuable property prone to fire like radar units, wiring, technical fluids, etc.
        Moreover, both with us and with the Americans, when preparing a ship for firing, it is necessary to weld all the hatches and bulkheads on the ship in order to ensure the greatest possible survivability of the ship during firing.

        Here is an example from RIMPAC 2016, the frigate holds 2 Harpoon anti-ship missiles, a 533-mm torpedo on board and at the same time maintains stability. But this does not mean in any way that the frigate is a tenacious destroyer.
        1. -3
          31 August 2023 14: 06
          Well, in the end, you didn’t explain why the 165kg warhead of the exorset left impressive damage, and the 150kg warhead of Neptune left only scorch marks, in the photos shown, is 15 kg such a big difference?
          And bk with a fuel tank, they detonate remarkably from a fire and without anti-ship missiles, given that in Moscow they saved on the anti-fire system
          1. -1
            2 September 2023 17: 34
            Perhaps they showed the opposite side and small holes are not input
        2. +1
          1 September 2023 01: 46
          Quote: Holgerton
          The shooting at the decommissioned destroyer of the Exoset anti-ship missiles, which you are trying to cite as evidence of the impossibility of destroying the cruiser pr. 1164 with two anti-ship missiles, only proves your misunderstanding of the subject.

          It's great that you understand the subject.
          Please explain with your fingers how it happened that the hole from the Exocet is tens of times larger than the hole from the Neptune, despite the fact that the weight of the warhead of both missiles is almost the same?
          1. 0
            9 September 2023 15: 05
            Warhead detonation delay?
            The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information
      2. 0
        31 August 2023 13: 27
        As an option, there was an unmanned boat, from the boat there will be no such internal damage as from a rocket, but it is easy to get a fire.
        1. 0
          1 September 2023 01: 48
          Quote: Petrov-Alexander_1Sergeevich
          As an option there was an unmanned boat

          Without options.
          Both in the West and in Ukraine they repeated a million times that these were anti-ship missiles.
          The question is the same - why does the size of the holes differ tenfold if the weight of the Exocet and Neptune warheads is almost the same?
      3. -1
        1 September 2023 01: 44
        Quote from Escariot
        Moscow was visible only from one side, what kind of damage on the other side is another question

        This question was answered almost immediately by "independent experts" who pointed out to the crowd the places where the missiles had "hit" with arrows. Therefore, there is no damage on the starboard side.
        1. 0
          1 September 2023 03: 20
          Quote: Comrade
          Quote from Escariot
          Moscow was visible only from one side, what kind of damage on the other side is another question

          This question was answered almost immediately by "independent experts" who pointed out to the crowd the places where the missiles had "hit" with arrows. Therefore, there is no damage on the starboard side.

          I don't trust these "experts". No photo from the starboard side. More precisely, it probably exists, but the military does not post them.
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          2. 0
            1 September 2023 16: 17
            Quote from Escariot
            I don't trust these "experts".

            Yeah, so you understand that these spots cannot be missile hit points?
            It turns out that Western experts are lying?
            But why ?!!!
            1. -1
              4 September 2023 22: 13
              Quote: Comrade
              Quote from Escariot
              I don't trust these "experts".

              Yeah, so you understand that these spots cannot be missile hit points?
              It turns out that Western experts are lying?
              But why ?!!!

              It is you who are in touch with "Western experts", not me.
  2. +12
    31 August 2023 06: 30
    Why then did the Moscow drown? From the cigarette butt of a drunken sailor?
    1. AAK
      +13
      31 August 2023 06: 44
      Well, they are trying to rub something into our brains ...
    2. 0
      31 August 2023 09: 06
      She drowned due to the fact that a fire started, and the crew abandoned the ship instead of fighting for damage.
      1. -1
        31 August 2023 18: 30
        Where does this information come from? And what did he leave on - there are several hundred people in the crew, there are not so many rescue equipment on the ship?
        1. 0
          1 September 2023 00: 00
          Information from the Russian Ministry of Defense, in fact, this was the first thing they said, the labor to rewind news stories for April 2022. They were taken by other ships that approached. The crew was incomplete by the way
          1. +1
            4 September 2023 18: 26
            They were taken away after it became obvious that it was impossible to put out the fire and the ship was doomed. There were no reports from the MoD that the crew did not fight for their ship.
    3. +1
      31 August 2023 09: 38
      Quote: Pantsuy
      Why then did the Moscow drown? From the cigarette butt of a drunken sailor?

      And so it could be. Just the fact that this ship was old and extremely outdated, not capable of performing combat missions. Its exploitation did more harm than good. He could drown from anything, but a harpoon / neptune attack is more likely.
    4. 0
      31 August 2023 10: 24
      Quote: Pantsuy
      Why then did the Moscow drown? From the cigarette butt of a drunken sailor?

      But don’t underestimate our personnel. wink
      In the fleet, everything is possible - from the RSL firing at the Kuznetsov in its own base to the detonation of the Indomitable missile defense system in the middle of the Neva during preparations for the parade.
    5. 0
      31 August 2023 18: 32
      There is a version voiced by a former air defense officer - the self-starting of the Fort SAM missile engine. It is impossible to extinguish - a closed room, narrow corridors, jets of hot gases.
    6. -3
      1 September 2023 01: 51
      Quote: Pantsuy
      And why, then, "Moscow" drowned?

      Are you actually interested in this, or are you just trolling for money or out of love for art?
  3. +7
    31 August 2023 07: 58
    The author misleads the Soviet reader.

    The damned NATO block with its red lines protects the ("old") territory of the Russian Federation from its missiles. Red lines do not touch Ukrainian missiles, they fly under them. Unlike mopeds, Neptune carries a serious warhead and it will be more difficult to simply ignore its arrival. It is impossible to protect the air defense of countless rear facilities even in a 300-kilometer zone.

    And if the Neptunes, so to speak, tread a path to the Russian rear facilities, then the NATO red lines may suddenly become not so red. With the prospect of aviation coming next year, the Nazis were just in time to get involved in political matters.
    1. +2
      31 August 2023 09: 09
      Not certainly in that way. Crimea is fenced with red lines, and in the event of attacks on it with NATO weapons, someone promised drastic measures. Therefore, when crossing the red lines, NATO missiles turn into Ukrainian ones. No one saw either the fragments of neptunes, or thunders, or alders.
      1. +4
        31 August 2023 11: 38
        Quote from alexoff
        Crimea is fenced with red lines

        brown.
        Quote from alexoff
        NATO missiles turn into Ukrainian ones.

        Storms fly well.
        1. +1
          31 August 2023 13: 49
          Quote: Negro
          Storms fly well.

          Of course they fly, but in the reports they turn into Neptunes and other thunders
  4. +10
    31 August 2023 09: 11
    Only by the annotation under the heading, where "outdated" I immediately understand who the author of the article is, which is already becoming uninteresting. laughing
    And so, of course, yes - "outdated", "inefficient", only here we have been marking time for about 1,5 years and driving the "forester's hut" back and forth, but periodically we blink something in the deep rear from the arrivals of all these " outdated/ineffective". request
  5. +8
    31 August 2023 10: 28
    Today:
    It must be recalled that the R-360 Neptune missile is actually a modified version of the older Soviet-designed Kh-35 anti-ship missile.

    The obsolete missile turned out to be an easy target for our air defense.

    Year and a half ago:
    Currently, the Russian fleet is armed with a number of anti-ship missiles. A significant share of such arsenals falls on modern products of the X-35 family.

    In general, in terms of the combination of tactical, technical and operational characteristics, anti-ship missiles of the Kh-35 family are among the best domestic developments in their class. In addition, there is reason to consider them among the best in the world - this is confirmed by a certain popularity on the international arms market.

    The author is the same. smile
    1. +5
      31 August 2023 10: 58
      The author is the same. smile

      Well, at least someone should support the patriotic public with good news and reviews. This is hard and thankless work, but the author tries. Of course, he sometimes makes mistakes, but don’t shoot at the pianist, he plays as best he can.
    2. 0
      1 September 2023 01: 30
      To be fair, the Russian Federation is not armed with the Soviet X35, but a highly modernized version of it. The main bonus of these missiles is their quantity and cheapness, since a couple of “balls” will fire 16 missiles, half will reach and that’s it, after that it will be repaired at best
  6. +5
    31 August 2023 16: 52
    When I read the obsolete term in the preface, I understood everything. laughing
  7. +2
    31 August 2023 17: 45
    Ryabov Kirill, is he swimming in his fantastic imaginary world?

    Why write such nonsense: "An obsolete missile turned out to be an easy target for our air defense."?

    And about the defeat of the S-300 in the Crimea? Is the author the only one who doesn't know what happened there or what?
    1. +1
      1 September 2023 20: 42
      It seems to me that people here don’t follow the news at all, or they are deleted. Moscow was hit by two Neptunes, one flew past, the second pierced the hull, but the warhead did not explode, the burning rocket engine started a fire. The unsuccessful layout of the cruiser and the not particularly strong desire of the crew to fight for the ship led to its sinking.
  8. +1
    31 August 2023 17: 50
    It is likely that more reports of the use of Neptune missiles will appear in the near future. These episodes will predictably end with the interception of flying anti-ship missiles .....
    Any air defense does not give a 100% chance of hitting a target. Or does the author, by the word intercept, not mean the downing of the Neptune?
  9. +1
    1 September 2023 18: 34
    The R-360 Neptune missile is a modified copy of the old Kh-35 and has similar characteristics.

    Just very close. X-35 range 130 km, Neptune - 280 km.
    GOS X-35 - angle + - 45 degrees, target detection range - 20 km. GOS Neptune - angle + -60 degrees, detection range - 50 km.
    mid-flight turbojet MS-400 - Ukrainian copy of the Soviet R-95-300

    R95-300 has been produced in Zaporozhye for Kh-55 cruise missiles since the early 80s.
    MS-400 is its modified version. The production technology worked out on thousands of copies.
    The flight takes place at altitudes not exceeding 300 m with an additional descent near the target.

    10-15 m in the march area, lowering to 3-5 m after target detection.
    Yes, you can say that it is less than 300 m. You can even write that "no more than a kilometer." And it will also be true.
  10. 0
    1 September 2023 23: 28
    Need for inventions is cunning: hit ground targets with an anti-ship missile
  11. 0
    8 September 2023 05: 06
    More than once and not only the Neptune has flown in. Our misses, and the gross ones, are instantly used by the enemy. It’s not the rocket that surprises the irresponsibility on the verge of a crime. Everywhere they talk and write about NATO space intelligence, about a huge network of agents in the rear. on the result of the Crimean bridge.