A strong move that the US is really afraid of

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A strong move that the US is really afraid of

Photos that surfaced on social media recently give us a glimpse of the first of China's new Type 054B frigates. Featuring a host of advanced features, the next generation warship continues the naval expansion program. fleet China's People's Liberation Army (PLA), and experts predict that the frigate could become one of the most important ships of the Army's fleet in the future.

The photos show the first-in-class Type 054B, which appears to be yet to be named, at the Hudong shipyard in Shanghai. The ship appears almost complete, with red pennants lined up along its length, as is customary in China for an official launching ceremony. It is unclear when the photographs were taken, but as of August 27, there were unconfirmed reports that the warship had officially been launched. In general, the Chinese are great specialists in keeping silent when there is a need for it.



Regardless of the exact status of this particular ship, the photographs give a very good idea of ​​the appearance of this warship and shed light on many of its features, although a large number of characteristics remain behind the scenes.


A 32-cell vertical launch system (VLS) is installed in the nose. This could be the so-called Universal Vertical Launch System, or UVLS, which is installed on the Type 055 and Type 052D destroyers and which uses both hot and cold launch missiles.

Another option is the VLS used by the previous frigate, Type 054A, which can launch HQ-16 surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) and Yu-8 missile torpedoes.

Previous analyzes of the Type 054B suggested that it would be armed with a 100 mm main gun, as opposed to the Type 054A, which is armed with a 76 mm cannon. The weapon change has now been confirmed, although questions remain. There are some visual similarities to the existing H/PJ-87, which was equipped with the only two Type 054 frigates and various older destroyers, but it is unclear what kind of gun will be installed on the Type 054B - the old model or the Chinese have already created a new one to replace it.

The frigate's air defense consists of two systems: long-range, represented by anti-aircraft missiles launched from the VLS, and short-range air defense, which consists of an 11-barreled 30-mm H/PJ-11 automatic cannon (in front of the bridge), and a launcher is located on the helicopter hangar installation of the HQ-10 air defense system.


In terms of anti-surface warfare, we can expect to see corner launchers for one of the many Chinese anti-ship missiles (ASMs) located amidships on the Type 054B. However, they are currently unavailable. However, behind the main mast of the ship it is planned to place 8 inclined launchers with universal containers for Yingji-83 (subsonic) or Yingji-18 (supersonic) anti-ship missiles.

It should be noted that instead of inclined launchers, it is possible to place vertical launchers of 12 or 24 cells in the central part of the ship, in which from 4 to 8 anti-submarine missiles of the “Fish-8 or 11” type, from 8 to 12 subsonic and up to 8 supersonic anti-ship missiles will be installed . This solution will further reduce the radar signature of the ship.

The fact that anti-ship missile launchers were not installed before the ship was accepted into the fleet leads to speculation that a second TPU will be located at this position. American experts disagree on what the Type 054B will ultimately be equipped with, VPU or inclined launchers, but everyone is looking forward to News.

The Type 054B sensor suite is also likely not fully installed, although the main radar is a prominent two-way rotating active electronically scanned array (AESA) on the main mast.

Detection of underwater targets is assigned to the SJD-9 mid-frequency active towed hydroacoustic station, which should provide torpedo guidance and low-frequency active-passive towed variable depth sonar "Type 311". Together, the two GAS will be able to detect underwater targets at a distance of up to 80 km and simultaneously allow them to track up to 5 targets.

Support equipment includes Type 726 box launchers, which are mounted on either side of the aft superstructure. These 24-cell launchers can be loaded with flares, chaff cartridges that blind enemy radars, active decoys equipped with small radio frequency jammers, and even anti-submarine missiles armed with small depth charges. Thus, these launchers can provide protection against incoming anti-ship missiles, but can also be used to destroy submarines, torpedoes and combat divers.

At this early stage of the ship's readiness there is no evidence of any aviation tests that are usually carried out after the ship goes to sea for testing. The Type 054B is expected to house the Z-20F, a multipurpose maritime helicopter that shares many similarities with the American SH-60 Seahawk, including a very similar overall appearance.


The Z-20 will provide an important part of the Type 054B's anti-submarine warfare capabilities, but will also perform support missions and likely engage in anti-surface warfare as well.

Given the Chinese military's growing interest in unmanned platforms, it would also not be a surprise if the Type 054B class also eventually operates some kind of vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) drone, similar to the one already tested on the USS Shandong aircraft carrier. .


A Sea Cavalry SD-40 VTOL drone flies over the deck of the PLAN Type 052C destroyer during testing in 2019

Finally, noteworthy is the signature reduction features included in the Type 054A design. The vessel has a stealthy design that is clearly intended to reduce radio reflection through measures such as a "clean" superstructure and overall shape. In this respect, the Chinese warship can be compared to the French-designed Aquitaine-class frigate, which uses similar signature reduction principles.

As for the role of the Type 054B, American experts believe that the new class will actually become a continuation of the previous Type 054A. This means that it will primarily perform ASW "with robust air combat and an ASW role as secondary general purpose objectives."

However, it will be possible to draw clear conclusions about how effective this ship is only when the entire range of weapons and protective equipment becomes open.

But overall, it is expected that the main function of the Type 054B will be improved anti-submarine warfare compared to the Type 054A, likely including superior acoustic performance and the latest equipment when operating in this role.

It is also interesting to compare the Chinese design approach to the Type 054B with the US Navy's own Constellation-class frigate. While that number could rise, the US Navy currently plans to build 20 of these ships, which are larger than the 054-ton Type 7B.

While the US warships are described as multi-mission, the project manager said Constellation is "primarily an anti-submarine warfare platform."


Artist's rendering of a Constellation-class guided-missile frigate

However, it is worth noting here that the Type 054B class frigates are already in the metal and on the water, but the Constellation is still in plans and development.

The extent of the Type 054B construction program remains unclear, although production is known to be taking place at two locations: the Hudong shipyard in Shanghai and the Huangpu Wenchong shipyard in Guangzhou. Construction of the second Type 054B is already well underway in Guangzhou, with launch expected before the end of the year.

And while the United States is developing a new ship, which they plan to build in the amount of 20, how many of its frigates will China be able to build during this time? It is worth recalling: Type 054 has been built in the amount of 2005 since 44, 4 for Pakistan and 40 for the PLA Navy.


That is, the production cycle at these shipyards is fully operational. Of course, it will take a fair amount of time to release another 40 frigates, but there is nothing fantastic in this task. And Chinese shipyards will be able to build another 40 frigates.

And the main potential of the Type 054B is that its capabilities in terms of surveillance systems and weapons are often similar to those of a destroyer, which can simply take the load off this class of expensive ships.

In addition, we should not forget that Type 054A had, albeit small, export experience. And the Type 054B may just as well become attractive to foreign customers in the future. Moreover, the Type 054A was adapted as the Type 818 used by the Chinese Coast Guard, and it is possible that a modification of the Type 054B with its larger dimensions could also be of interest to the increasingly expanding coast guard fleet.

Indeed, the difference in size between Type 054A and Type 054B is such that it has previously been speculated that it could be designated Type 057, being an entirely new design rather than a continuation. But we decided to leave it as is.

Overall, the Type 054B appears to be a significant improvement over the Type 054A. Yes, only estimates are still available indicating that the Type 054B has a slightly longer length and 2 tons more displacement than the Type 000A. Plus, the Type 054B is wider, which really makes it similar to the Type 054 destroyer.

While many details of the Type 054B have yet to be revealed, the design is clearly an upgrade from the prolific Type 054A. These two classes, as well as the Type 056A corvette, appear to eventually make up a very versatile surface fleet that will be suitable for a wide range of missions, from around the coast of mainland China and Taiwan to projecting naval power further into the South China Sea. part of the Pacific and Indian Oceans. In general, to where China's interests extend, and, as you know, they extend very far.


Type 056 corvette in service with the PLA in 2013. It was this ship that was handed over to the Chinese Coast Guard.

So with the prospect of another major production run, China's navy will become another headache for the US. American naval analysts have long been concerned about the difference in the two countries' capabilities to build new warships. The Americans are also concerned about the overall progressing size of the Chinese Navy.

As The War Zone recently reported, the Office of Naval Intelligence believes Chinese shipbuilders are capable of producing surface combatants and submarines in quantities tens of times greater than U.S. shipbuilding capabilities.

Thus, combining quality and growing quantity, the Type 054B can be seen as another indicator of the growing and troubling fleet size gap between China and the United States, as well as a symbol of Beijing's expanding naval capability on a technical level.
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  1. +30
    31 August 2023 04: 51
    Well, what can I say - all that remains is to envy with white envy....
    1. +21
      31 August 2023 07: 35
      1. Since 1945, the Communists of the PRC have been consistently moving towards their success - they were able to take over a feudal country devastated by a 30-year civil war and intervention that did not even start an industrial revolution.
      2. The communists of the PRC did not allow a liberal counter-revolutionary coup in 1989 by wrapping local Chubais with Gaidars on the tracks of tanks.
      3. The PRC has not been involved in full-scale military conflicts since 1980. 43 years of peace.
      4. Clear and executed programs of all five-year plans.
      5. The two main goals of the Communists of the PRC are income growth (now the goal is to catch up with Portugal in terms of per capita income), that is, to do as they write "the average prosperous life of every citizen" and increase life expectancy, and here they have reached the level of developed countries at a faster pace.

      In such a scenario, the success of the PRC in building a fleet is not surprising; there are already 4 aircraft carriers on the stocks.
      1. +7
        31 August 2023 08: 10
        I would add to this that the communist idea of ​​China has nothing to do with either Marxism or Leninism. This is a purely Chinese idea, no matter how our communists like Kalashnikov or Zyuganov swear on this issue.
        1. +12
          31 August 2023 08: 35
          Quote: Alexander Kuksin
          I would add to this that the communist idea of ​​China has nothing to do with either Marxism or Leninism. This is a purely Chinese idea, no matter how our communists like Kalashnikov or Zyuganov swear on this issue.

          I don’t know who took over from whom, but the Kosygin reforms assumed exactly the same kind of communism as it is now in China.
          1. +3
            31 August 2023 08: 57
            a moot point, I am tormented by doubts - is the collapse of the USSR the result of just Lieberman's reforms ...
          2. +5
            31 August 2023 11: 12
            Quote: Zoer
            I don’t know who took over from whom, but the Kosygin reforms assumed exactly the same kind of communism as it is now in China.

            Absolutely not. In economics, the differences are cardinal.
        2. +11
          31 August 2023 10: 48
          Quote: Alexander Kuksin
          I would add to this that the communist idea of ​​China has nothing to do with either Marxism or Leninism. This is a purely Chinese idea, no matter how our communists like Kalashnikov or Zyuganov swear on this issue.

          Therefore, among the Chinese, the communist idea is not a dogma, but a guide to action. But in our country, theory stopped being verified by practice already in the 50s, after which ideology ossified and turned into a religion led by the Holy Trinity, facts began to fit the theory, and instead of developing theory, IML began to lecture, selecting quotes from classics to justify the next bend in the general line . Strategic ideological planning has died - only tactical fluttering remains. Well, as a result, the ruling party with its own hands led the country into a “bright capitalist future.”
          1. -6
            31 August 2023 14: 34
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Because the Chinese have a communist idea - not a dogma, but a guide to action

            And this idea led the Chinese to socialism with backgammon and Komsomol members, that is, with the stock market and private banks. Such is socialism.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Strategic ideological planning is dead

            To cancel the entire economic part of socialism and leave the usual fascism - you don't need a lot of mind. Although the great northern neighbor at the stage of fascism with the cooperators and the president of the USSR was not smart enough to stop. In a sense, in the 91st it was not enough.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Well, as a result, the ruling party with its own hands led the country into a "bright capitalist future."

            I have to remind you that in the former USSR executions have been largely abolished, but not yet in the PRC. So just the members of the Central Committee of the ruling party obviously did not lose. And for the rest of the population, life under a fascist dictatorship in the XNUMXst century has its drawbacks, so to speak. This forum, for example, would not exist in China: passport authorization is not suitable for everyone.
            1. +6
              31 August 2023 15: 24
              There was fascism on the outskirts now and in Hitler’s Germany. Come to your senses.
              1. +4
                31 August 2023 16: 30
                Quote: Nikolai Anatolievich
                There was fascism on the outskirts now and in Hitler’s Germany. Come to your senses.

                How many times have the world been toldthat fascism is the Duce and Italy.
                And the third Reich under Ataulf of Munich is national socialism.
                1. +3
                  31 August 2023 19: 12
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Quote: Nikolai Anatolievich
                  There was fascism on the outskirts now and in Hitler’s Germany. Come to your senses.

                  How many times have the world been toldthat fascism is the Duce and Italy.
                  And the third Reich under Ataulf of Munich is national socialism.

                  Read the definition of fascism that Stalin gave.
                  My father, mother, grandfather, three uncles fought against the Nazi invaders.
                  And I don't care about your theories.
            2. 0
              31 August 2023 16: 23
              Quote: Negro
              And this idea led the Chinese to socialism with backgammon and Komsomol members, that is, with the stock market and private banks. Such is socialism.

              An excellent example of dialectical development as opposed to dogmatic freezing. Not easy renounce the old worldTo to the bottom and then - but to build a new world through synthesis, taking from the old the best, acceptable for the new. smile
              Quote: Negro
              To cancel the entire economic part of socialism and leave the usual fascism - you don't need a lot of mind. Although the great northern neighbor at the stage of fascism with the cooperators and the president of the USSR was not smart enough to stop. In a sense, in the 91st it was not enough.

              The great northern neighbor was not smart enough to emphasize the development of the economy under strict ideological control. And do not let go of the nuts, arranging a bloody bacchanalia on the outskirts and confusion in the center.
              Quote: Negro
              I have to remind you that in the former USSR executions have been largely abolished, but not yet in the PRC. So just the members of the Central Committee of the ruling party obviously did not lose.

              Well, this is how to say ... they, of course, left the VMSZ as a result of democratic reforms. But also from the authorities in the vast majority, too. You don't know what's worse for them. smile
              Yes, and the abolition of the VMSZ in the USSR is another attraction. Under one general secretary, they managed to apply it retroactively.
              Quote: Negro
              And for the rest of the population, life under a fascist dictatorship in the XNUMXst century has its drawbacks, so to speak. This forum, for example, would not exist in China: passport authorization is not suitable for everyone.

              And this, comrades, is the price of economic growth. At the eastern neighbor of China (south of the 38th parallel), the stage of rapid economic growth generally took place under the motto "with bayonets and tanks we will drive the people into a brighter future". And the local rulers in Soviet propaganda became common nouns to depict bloody dictators.
              1. 0
                31 August 2023 19: 04
                Quote: Alexey RA
                fascism is the Duce and Italy.
                And the Third Reich under Ataulf of Munich is National Socialism.

                Fascism does not necessarily mean National Socialism, but National Socialism almost always implies fascism. Chinese friends have both lately. One country (hello to the Taiwanese), one people (to the rest of the peoples: Uighurs, Tibetans, Tajiks, by the way, etc. hello), one leader is reset to zero.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                build a new world through synthesis, taking from the old the best acceptable for the new

                The modernizing dictatorship is clearly not invented by the Chinese.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                The great northern neighbor was not smart enough to emphasize the development of the economy under strict ideological control. And do not let go of the nuts, arranging a bloody bacchanalia on the outskirts and confusion in the center.

                A long conversation about what was enough or not enough for the northern neighbor.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Under one general secretary, they managed to apply it retroactively.

                I'm talking about the period of primary accumulation of capital. When the initiative in these matters passed into the hands of the working people.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                And this, comrades, is the price of economic growth.

                No, this is not the price of economic growth. It has nothing to do with economic growth.
              2. +3
                31 August 2023 19: 18
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Quote: Negro
                And this idea led the Chinese to socialism with backgammon and Komsomol members, that is, with the stock market and private banks. Such is socialism.

                An excellent example of dialectical development as opposed to dogmatic freezing. Not easy renounce the old worldTo to the bottom and then - but to build a new world through synthesis, taking from the old the best, acceptable for the new. smile
                Quote: Negro
                To cancel the entire economic part of socialism and leave the usual fascism - you don't need a lot of mind. Although the great northern neighbor at the stage of fascism with the cooperators and the president of the USSR was not smart enough to stop. In a sense, in the 91st it was not enough.

                The great northern neighbor was not smart enough to emphasize the development of the economy under strict ideological control. And do not let go of the nuts, arranging a bloody bacchanalia on the outskirts and confusion in the center.
                Quote: Negro
                I have to remind you that in the former USSR executions have been largely abolished, but not yet in the PRC. So just the members of the Central Committee of the ruling party obviously did not lose.

                Well, this is how to say ... they, of course, left the VMSZ as a result of democratic reforms. But also from the authorities in the vast majority, too. You don't know what's worse for them. smile
                Yes, and the abolition of the VMSZ in the USSR is another attraction. Under one general secretary, they managed to apply it retroactively.
                Quote: Negro
                And for the rest of the population, life under a fascist dictatorship in the XNUMXst century has its drawbacks, so to speak. This forum, for example, would not exist in China: passport authorization is not suitable for everyone.

                And this, comrades, is the price of economic growth. At the eastern neighbor of China (south of the 38th parallel), the stage of rapid economic growth generally took place under the motto "with bayonets and tanks we will drive the people into a brighter future". And the local rulers in Soviet propaganda became common nouns to depict bloody dictators.

                Just one remark - most people do not correctly quote the words from the song.
                We won’t destroy the whole world, or we’ll destroy everything to the ground, and then...
                It says - "we will destroy the whole world of VIOLENCE..."
                We are not talking about the world in general, but only about the world of VIOLENCE.
                Are there those who want to preserve the world of violence?
                1. +2
                  31 August 2023 21: 55
                  Quote: Ulan.1812
                  Are there those who want to preserve the world of violence?

                  I know one such "state", on its territory now NVO is going on.
          2. +1
            31 August 2023 19: 09
            Quote: Alexey RA
            can

            After Stalin, no one studied theory in our country. It was not for nothing that he said: without theory we are dead.
            1. 0
              10 September 2023 04: 26
              I remember from my distant childhood they sang a verse of a famous song: “...My native country is wide, there are many forests, fields and rivers in it. I don’t know another country like this, where a person hides everything with obscenities”...
          3. 0
            2 September 2023 15: 06
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Therefore, the Chinese communist idea is not a dogma, but a guide to action.

            So non-dogma that nothing remains of communism in this idea.
          4. 0
            8 September 2023 08: 02
            Can I ask, what communist remains in China? The private sector has long occupied a large part of the economy and is growing every year. I would say that China is more like Russia in the 10s, with a developing oligarchy, although the local oligarchs did not steal, but built at the expense of the Americans, but we’ll see where the wind blows next
        3. 0
          31 August 2023 12: 27
          Chinese Communism is based on 2500 years of their traditions and philosophy. It would be more correct to say that this is Confucianism at the state level.
        4. +1
          31 August 2023 14: 54
          I would add to this that the communist idea of ​​China has nothing to do with either Marxism or Leninism. This is a purely Chinese idea, no matter how our communists like Kalashnikov or Zyuganov swear on this issue.


          When they talk about the successes of the PRC. Liberals - but their communism is not like that!
          When they talk about the failures of the Russian Federation. Liberals - our capitalism is not the same!
          lol
          1. -1
            31 August 2023 18: 55
            Quote: spektr9
            When they talk about the successes of the PRC. Liberals - but their communism is not like that!

            They don't have communism at all. Plain chronic capitalism.

            More importantly, they are not so easy with success.
            1. +2
              1 September 2023 03: 23
              They don't have communism at all. Plain chronic capitalism.

              Again wet fantasies of liberals drove up

              More importantly, they are not so easy with success.

              And of course they don't have the same success. laughing

              Don’t be shy, you’ve already built your capitalism in 30 years, eat, don’t smear yourself, but smear yourself with success
            2. +2
              1 September 2023 08: 34
              Well, yes, if you look at the breakthrough that China has made over the past 30 years, then they have no success at all)))
              1. -2
                1 September 2023 08: 56
                Quote: TermNachTER
                over the past 30 years, they have no success at all)))

                Yes, for 30 years it seemed that the Chinese had stopped fooling around and went down the normal path, like Taiwan. This has allowed them to jump out of extreme poverty and catch up with countries like Russia, and even the poorest EU country, Bulgaria. China and India are good examples of how modernizing dictatorships are better than non-modernizing ones.

                But those 30 years ended 10 years ago. Comrade Xi came and turned back to the rake.
                1. +3
                  1 September 2023 10: 45
                  We will judge the results of Comrade Xi’s work in about 10 to 15 years, when there will be the first tangible indicators.
                  1. -1
                    1 September 2023 15: 03
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    we will judge in 10-15 years, when there will be the first tangible indicators.

                    Comrade Xi has been on the throne for 11 years. During this time, he did away with the turnover of power, one of the main achievements of Deng, and took up geopolitics and the arms race with the United States. So the results are already in sight.
                    1. +1
                      2 September 2023 15: 20
                      Quote: Negro
                      Comrade Xi has been on the throne for 11 years. During this time, he did away with the turnover of power, one of the main achievements of Deng, and took up geopolitics and the arms race with the United States. So the results are already in sight.

                      This is because Comrade Xi understands how capitalism works. But you don't seem to.
                2. +1
                  2 September 2023 15: 18
                  Quote: Negro
                  Yes, for 30 years it seemed that the Chinese had stopped fooling around and went down the normal path, like Taiwan.

                  The normal way is to go in the US fairway? In light of what is happening and could happen next with Taiwan, this is at least doubtful.
                  Quote: Negro
                  But those 30 years ended 10 years ago. Comrade Xi came and turned back to the rake.

                  Capitalism is competition between countries, if you don't know. And war is a good way to squeeze markets from an opponent and impose your own economic conditions.
                  1. +1
                    2 September 2023 19: 08
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    The normal way is to go in the US fairway?

                    At least don't tease.
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    In light of what is happening and could happen next with Taiwan

                    Absolutely nothing new is happening with Taiwan. And the communists themselves fell in love with the idea of ​​reunification, abandoning the principle of "one country - two systems." It became too clear that if in one country there is a system with communists and a system without communists, then the one with communists will come to an end pretty quickly.
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    And war is a good way to squeeze markets from an opponent and impose your own economic conditions.

                    Do you mean the Americans will squeeze out all the sales markets from geopoliticians who imagined too much about themselves? It is certain, we have just seen it. Why did you say that?
        5. 0
          2 September 2023 15: 04
          Quote: Alexander Kuksin
          I would add to this that the communist idea of ​​China has nothing to do with either Marxism or Leninism.

          Because this idea is capitalist. Communism has long since ended.
      2. -2
        31 August 2023 14: 27
        Quote: Civil
        they were able to take over a feudal country devastated by a 30-year civil war and intervention that had not even begun an industrial revolution.

        And where the communists did not reach, Hong Kong and Taiwan turned out.
        Quote: Civil
        The communists of the PRC did not allow a liberal counter-revolutionary coup in 1989 by wrapping local Chubais with Gaidars on the tracks of tanks.

        Local Makashovs with Barkashovs. With them and in Russia did not stand on ceremony.
        Quote: Civil
        catch up with Portugal in terms of per capita income)

        It's hard. As experience shows, the second tens of thousands of dollars per person of GDP is given not only harder than the first, but it requires a completely different plan of effort. It is not a fact that the leadership of the PRC is ready to go for them.
        1. +2
          31 August 2023 16: 28
          Quote: Negro
          Local Makashovs with Barkashovs. With them and in Russia did not stand on ceremony.

          But the Chinese Makashovs and Barkashovs had the support of the party group of Comrade Zhao Ziyang, whose leader held the post of General Secretary at that time
          CPC Central Committee.
          And the merit of the Chinese comrades is that they were able at a critical moment criticize the highest person in the party hierarchy. Not like before, of course but nothing happened ©.
          1. -1
            31 August 2023 18: 50
            So the local Makashovs and Barkashovs had the support of the formally all-powerful parliament and the Supreme Court.
        2. 0
          2 September 2023 15: 20
          Quote: Negro
          And where the communists did not reach, Hong Kong and Taiwan turned out.

          And also Haiti, Afghanistan and Somalia.
          1. +1
            2 September 2023 19: 02
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Afghanistan and Somalia.

            That's where the communists got to.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Haiti

            Yes, they could do it without the communists. Blacks are blacks.
        3. 0
          2 September 2023 15: 29
          Quote: Negro
          As experience shows, the second tens of thousands of dollars per person of GDP is given not only harder than the first, but it requires a completely different plan of effort.

          So they are preparing to make this effort. Efforts to replace the dollar with the yuan through fighting.
          1. +2
            2 September 2023 19: 01
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Efforts to replace the dollar with the yuan through fighting.

            Let me remind you that the yuan is not even freely convertible yet. And the impact of hostilities on the role in the global economy, some could appreciate in detail in the last couple of years.
            1. 0
              4 September 2023 12: 23
              Quote: Negro
              yuan is not even freely convertible yet

              due to the fact that in the PRC there are two yuan: one for internal settlements of state corporations and the other for private investment and foreign trade.
    2. 0
      1 September 2023 12: 32
      The Chinese are doing more than the rest can afford.
      BUT:
      - if you add the ships of the Japanese Navy and the Republic of Kazakhstan to the Yankees fleet, you get a different picture.
      -how many nuclear submarines do China and the USA have?
      -Naval aviation of the Yankees (even without satellites) is an order of magnitude stronger.
      In terms of aircraft carriers, the Yankees also have an advantage.
  2. +16
    31 August 2023 05: 04
    We envy silently, remembering our greatness..... with longing..
  3. -13
    31 August 2023 05: 35
    Well, this ship will sail to the shores of the United States, well, it will destroy a couple of military bases or a city.
    If it is not possible to occupy the enemy's territory, how to defeat him in a war?
    1. +6
      31 August 2023 09: 00
      China's fleet is not one new frigate, and the land army is the largest in the world
    2. +4
      31 August 2023 14: 09
      Just like the Entente defeated the Germans in World War 1. without occupying its territory.
      1. 0
        4 September 2023 12: 20
        The purpose of the First World War was the redistribution of the world in terms of "overseas colonies", and not the eternal fuss of Germany and France around the Ruhr, Alsace or Bohemia. And from this point of view, the Entente captured almost all the "overseas" colonial territories of the countries of the Central Axis.
  4. +6
    31 August 2023 05: 43
    So with the prospect of another major production run, China's navy will be another headache factor for the US. US naval analysts have long been concerned about the difference in the two countries' ability to build new warships. The Americans are also worried about the overall progressive size of the Chinese Navy.

    This is one of the main conclusions. It is this development of the PLA that warns the US ARMY against frivolous actions.
    I read your article and realized that some incomprehensible feeling remained - a mixture of envy, annoyance and bitter chagrin. And only because in Russia, despite the time of testing for strength and the ability to cause irreparable damage to any enemy, they continue to ruffle this “Trishkin caftan” (budget), the size of which determines the dollar exchange rate set by the Central Bank, and oil and gas prices ...
  5. +1
    31 August 2023 05: 49
    Thus, combining quality and growing quantity, the Type 054B can be seen as another indicator of the growing and troubling fleet size gap between China and the United States, as well as a symbol of Beijing's expanding naval capability on a technical level.
    . Is another hechemon born or not?!
    China may and will win this "competition" against the striped, but where to go further?
    It’s good if .... however, we’ll see if there are any prerequisites for something especially pissed off, perhaps not yet.
    1. 0
      31 August 2023 21: 58
      I hope not in a bright future under the wing of the new hegemon in the face of China.
      Yes, and stop looking at something - it's time to act
  6. +3
    31 August 2023 06: 32
    So the Chinese drew and made a whole series, drew another and the series came out again. What do we have? A project has been drawn up and is walking through the corridors of the bureaucracy, endless approvals, clarifications on whether it is needed or not and where to put it. During this time, it becomes outdated and everything is started again, as a result, a couple of samples were released and they carried it around exhibitions for 5 years, that’s all! And the guys are now forced to fight on the ancient heritage of the past! It's a shame
  7. +5
    31 August 2023 08: 34
    And our programs for the development of the Navy in the White House claim
    one Karakurt project is worth something with machine guns wassat like our constitution laughing
    1. 0
      31 August 2023 09: 02
      you don't understand anything - that's different bully
      yes the comment is short
    2. -1
      31 August 2023 10: 52
      Quote: air wolf
      And our programs for the development of the Navy in the White House claim
      one Karakurt project is worth something with machine guns wassat

      You are confusing "Karakurt" and "Bykov".
      "Karakurt" AKA pr.22800 for a naval MRK is armed just normally. But the patrol "Bykovs" AKA pr. 22160 are just "doves of peace with a cannon and a pair of machine guns."
  8. +5
    31 August 2023 13: 40
    " - What we are going to do?
    “Something ... We will envy!”
    1. 0
      31 August 2023 15: 29
      Why be jealous? You will compare the characteristics of our frigate 22350, even better with the 5th hull and frigate 054B.
      1. +4
        1 September 2023 00: 31
        I propose to start comparing with quantitative characteristics here and stop comparing. While we complete the construction of this 5th corps, China will commission several dozen new ships.
  9. +1
    31 August 2023 17: 40
    How strong a move - let's see when these frigates go to sea. Although, China can simply crush the quantity)))
  10. 0
    1 September 2023 11: 30
    Once upon a time, the USSR could also not be like that. We all asked .. whether ..
  11. +1
    1 September 2023 12: 23
    That's how many articles about the modern fleet of China have recently appeared, so one thought does not let me go.
    The mass-produced ships they build, destroyers and frigates, are not industry-leading. But these are just good ships capable of performing the assigned tasks. And the fact that they generally do not chase records, the ships for the price seem to be a little cheaper and easier for them. Which, with large-scale production, leads to the fact that ships can be built in an amount of 10-15 models more.
    And for the US Navy, this is a problem, because such a number of good ships in the event of a hypothetical conflict will be more difficult to contain and fight. Especially considering that the groups of the Pacific and Indian Ocean will mainly be in contact with the Chinese fleet. The Atlantic grouping will join only in case of emergency.
    And the more ships in the fleet, the ...:
    1. Large area of ​​water can be controlled
    2. More missile launchers are at sea
    3. Improved ship rotation forms
    4. Cheaper maintenance
    5. The loss of a single ship does not weaken the fleet so much.
    etc.
  12. 0
    1 September 2023 18: 39
    This neighbor, that Dragon. He sleeps and sees how he is biting off little by little the flesh from the Bear, who has gone into a deep foreign policy coma. After another concession to China and the demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border in 2005, the PRC leadership has repeatedly made it clear that the parties have summed up the issues, the resolution of which has dragged on for centuries, eliminated the last source of territorial disputes, and deprived the United States of a reason to use contradictions in Russian-Chinese relations to incite mutual hatred. Meanwhile, the Chinese Dragon is applying a strategy of phased advancement, hatching plans to expand its own living space at the expense of the Russian Far East, taking the opportunity of Russia’s foreign economic isolation, pumping out of Russia its subsoil and wealth, obligingly offered by the Russian Federation with its short-sighted policy of appeasement. China is arming itself with leaps and bounds. A lot of time will pass and China's goals in relation to the Russian Federation will become more obvious. In light of the latest "cartographic" collisions, Beijing is probing public opinion and the temperature in the Kremlin. The Russian management system, in its current state, is not capable of adequately assessing threats, responding to them, and stopping them in the bud.
  13. -1
    2 September 2023 02: 36
    "A strong move that the US is really afraid of" ... or a knight's move on the head
  14. 0
    3 September 2023 15: 31
    In my opinion, it’s just wonderful that the United States and China found something to do with each other. Catch up and overtake!
  15. 0
    4 September 2023 12: 05
    Quote: Alexey RA
    An excellent example of dialectical development as opposed to dogmatic freezing. Not just to renounce the old world, to the very foundation, and then - but to build a new world through synthesis, taking from the old the best that is acceptable for the new.

    Unfortunately, this is not an example of development, it is a vivid example of deviation, which has nothing to do with dialectics, except perhaps as an object of study using the dialectical method. Any subsequent socio-economic formation at the beginning of its development carries some residual signs of the previous ones, and this is inevitable, bearing in mind the gigantic inertia of people's thinking. But this is not an example of some kind of "synthesis of the old and the new" - such fabrications are good only on the basis of post-knowledge in the spirit of: "If I were then as smart as my wife is now ..." and the like.
    Such a gigantic, in terms of the size of the territory, population and the number of national groups represented, a state like China (and what the USSR itself was) can in itself develop steadily only in the form of a collectivist structure, putting the interests of the vast majority of the population as a priority. Otherwise, such a state formation will soon collapse - the example of the USSR, in this context, I think, is quite indicative. Another trajectory for the development of a "big country" could be capitalism built on the basis of a rigid caste (India) or religious ideology (Iran, Pakistan). For these reasons, the presence of the only communist (by name) party of China, on the one hand, as an uncontested basis for the formation of government institutions, and, on the other hand, as a kind of well-established ideological platform, has been and is the very force that does not weaken the effect of which until still preserves the PRC as a single (with certain conventions) state. The main reason for the rapid economic growth of China was not an ephemeral "synthesis of some old and some new, created in the process of observing the perestroika torments of the northern neighbor", but only large-scale foreign investment, multiplied by a gigantic amount of free (from socialist construction) and very cheap labor, which is a simple turn to the capitalist vector of the country's development.
    In view of the foregoing, it would be a serious mistake to consider China a socialist state.
  16. 0
    8 September 2023 14: 23
    Where did you see socialism or communism in China? There is 100% capitalism, all that remains from the past is the form of parties, control of the budget (plan). At a certain time, China became open and Western money and technology flowed there. Many things in China do not belong to China itself, and in the event of nationalization, who knows how the West will respond (question). There was an intervention in the formation of the UNION. Not everything is so simple. Try to delve into industrial plants, who actually owns them in different countries, by and large this is the USA. Here's an example, the Germans tell us, we open the main block of US shares and components accordingly.