From fishing nets to netting: how Ukrainians are trying to protect themselves from our "Lancets"

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From fishing nets to netting: how Ukrainians are trying to protect themselves from our "Lancets"

There is no doubt that the special military operation in Ukraine was the first stories military conflict, the course of which was significantly influenced by unmanned aerial vehicles, which have become one of the main combat weapons. In particular, this concerns the wide distribution of loitering ammunition, due to which even units located at a distance of tens of kilometers from the line of contact cannot feel relatively safe.

An example of this is the situation that has developed around the massive use of Russian "Lancets" and the attempts of Ukrainians to protect themselves from this. weapons using clumsy methods in the form of nets - sometimes even fishing.




Hits very hard


Recently, even the Western media have increasingly begun to mention the Lancet, positioning it as a formidable and massive weapon capable of inflicting serious damage on Ukrainian troops. First of all, this is due to the fact that the Russian winged projectile, being a “long arm”, disables weapons that are critical for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And it's pointless to argue with that.

"Lancet" strike on the weapon of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
"Lancet" strike on the weapon of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Of course, under the epithet "critically important" in the context of a shortage of absolutely everything, one can even understand an infantry fighting vehicle, an armored car or a tank, with which the "Xovods" (operators of the "Lancets") do not disdain and beat from time to time. But their main targets are hidden a little further inland.

Strike "Lancet" on the camouflaged counter-battery radar AN / TPQ-36
Strike "Lancet" on the camouflaged counter-battery radar AN / TPQ-36

Depending on the modification, these loitering ammunition can cover a distance of forty or more kilometers, which, combined with stable communications and a television surveillance channel, actually makes them masters in the tactical depth of the enemy's orders. It is there that most of the priority targets for the Lancet are concentrated: self-propelled gun mounts, towed artillery, anti-aircraft missile systems, radar stations and much more - extremely scarce for Kyiv.

In the sight of the "Lancet" self-propelled artillery installation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
In the sight of the "Lancet" self-propelled artillery installation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

In order to assess the scale of the problem for our adversary, just look at the statistics of the episodes of the use of this product from July 2022 to August 23 of this year, collected by the guys from Lostarmour.

In total, 590 episodes hit the network - 98 for 2022 and 492 for almost 8 months of 2023. Of them:

146 - on towed guns and mortars;
130 - for self-propelled artillery installations of the Soviet and Western models;
49 - for radar stations and communication complexes;
44 - for anti-aircraft missile systems;
18 - for multiple launch rocket systems.


Statistics of the use of "Lancet"
Statistics of the use of "Lancet"

Considering that the funds listed above, especially foreign-made ones, are valuable objects, the losses of which cannot be quickly replenished, soldiers with Independent willy-nilly have to think about their protection. At the same time, there is no need to rely on anything other than on one’s own strength.

Nothing to counteract


Speaking about the difficulties of countering the Lancets, it should be noted that they are not an invulnerable miracle weapon, but it is not easy to escape from them at the front. Low radar signature, specific flight profile and weak temperature contrast make them an extremely difficult target to hit by many classic anti-aircraft systems.

In addition, taking into account the fact that Ukraine is experiencing a shortage of absolutely all types of weapons, in the short term, covering most important points with anti-aircraft weapons capable of destroying flying projectiles with a propeller in the tactical zone is simply impossible.

Special attention deserves the traditional method of protection against unmanned aerial vehicles in the face of equipment for electronic warfare (EW). Still, the Lancet is also droneusing a wireless communication channel with a control station at a certain frequency. And it, despite the noise immunity, can be suppressed.

Judging by the reports of Ukrainian and Western media, it was extremely rare to do so. However, all the few cases were the result of a combination of circumstances, when the interaction of electronic countermeasures and military intelligence was ensured.

There is a total shortage of electronic warfare equipment in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so it is often necessary to use improvised systems that are ineffective against the Lancet and pose a threat exclusively to civilian drones converted into combat drones.
There is a total shortage of electronic warfare equipment in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so it is often necessary to use improvised systems that are ineffective against the Lancet and pose a threat exclusively to civilian drones converted into combat drones.

The fact is that, unlike some civilian FPV or copters, the “brains” of which can be turned on one side with the help of the described in this material jammers from "Aliexpress", loitering ammunition "Lancet" do not fall dead at the first sign of EW operation. Even in the event of a complete loss of control due to jamming of the communication channel, the projectile continues to move along the previously set trajectory, therefore it is advisable to interrupt its communication with the operator only by powerful jammers when detected long before it enters the final stage of flight.

But, as the Ukrainian military themselves modestly admit, equipment capable of finding the direction of the Lancet at long distances “is not available in all units.” So often you can only see it with your own eyes literally on the approach, when there is no time left not only to take protective measures, but also to simply run away from a position to a safe distance.

Nets


Based on these circumstances, the Ukrainians had to resort to artisanal methods and, presumably, the situation turned out to be too ironic. After all, earlier, even in the official Ukrainian media, not to mention the various Telegram channels and other platforms, our tank visors, which, despite their original purpose, have become an effective way to protect against drones.


But time passed and such home-made products in the form of stretched nets turned out to be almost the only salvation for expensive and scarce weapons from Lancet strikes. Clumsily, primitively, but given the total impossibility of shooting down a projectile, it gives at least some chance for its premature detonation while minimizing damage to expensive and scarce weapons.

Yes, in essence, these are ordinary initiating screens - the ammunition flies into the grid, explodes at a distance from the protected object and does no harm to it. Ideally, of course.


At the same time, in the manufacture of a miracle remedy that suddenly ceased to be funny, improvisation sometimes simply goes off scale. An example of such cases is the use of fishing nets - at least one such episode was recorded at the location of the 14th radio engineering brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Fishing net as protection against the "Lancet"
Fishing net as protection against the "Lancet"

According to the author of this invention, who is begging for money for his know-how, two grids stretched around the radar station were allegedly able to hold back the impact of several Lancets that detonated on an artificial barrier away from the target. Nevertheless, too strange damage to fishing tackle and the lack of wide distribution of this craft at the front, with relative cheapness, cast doubt on the effectiveness of such a solution.

But, despite the flight of imagination of individual field engineers from the people, metal networks have gained the most popularity - mostly chain-link with various cell sizes. Moreover, they cover everything from anti-aircraft missile systems, arranging entire tents of huge size, stretched on masts, ending with towed guns enclosed in modest mesh boxes.



They began to make such gizmos last year - sometimes really from what came to hand, including tree branches that were used as a frame for stretching the net. But, since the production and combat use of the "Lancets" began to grow on a scale that was unpleasant for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the "fence building" also received its development. Therefore, now one can observe already fully formed structures on metal collapsible frames, which simultaneously serve as a support for camouflage nets. Although there is no need to observe any standardization of production.


Without branches and sticks anywhere
Without branches and sticks anywhere

Practically factory metal frame dual purpose: against the "Lancets" and for camouflage
Practically factory metal frame dual purpose: against the "Lancets" and for camouflage

Another metal frame with mesh against the "Lancets"
Another metal frame with mesh against the "Lancets"

Nevertheless, having become virtually the only means of protection, nets and frames made life significantly more difficult, primarily for the gunners who were part of the calculations of towed guns. As the authors of the Panzerwaffle/Panzerwaffle Telegram channel rightly point out, bulky and heavy structures have to be carried with them and assembled and disassembled when moving from place to place.

All these manipulations require time, which, in the conditions of the most severe counter-battery fight, is just barely enough, which makes non-self-propelled howitzers even less mobile in the absence of positions prepared in advance and surrounded by nets. Therefore, paying for security, although not guaranteed, has great difficulties in operation.

The main question is, does it work?


It must be understood that the main filling for the "Lancets" are shaped charges, the main damaging effect of which lies both, in fact, in the cumulative jet itself, and in the stream of fragments, the main part of which moves parallel to the axis of the charge - forward. Therefore, if the optimal distance from the grid to the protected object is provided, then the cumulative jet ceases to play a decisive role and fragments come to the fore.

So a self-propelled gun with its armor may not feel anything, but a towed gun and its crew, especially when hit "from the stern", or the same radar, can fly in such a way that the consequences will be very sad. Therefore, much depends on the design itself, the place of arrival and a bit of luck.

Nevertheless, our "X-leaders" have already adapted to these Ukrainian innovations, making double attacks: the first "Lancet" destroys the impromptu defense, and the second one hits the target. Consumption, of course, is growing, but it is fully justified by the destruction of weapons that are critical for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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  1. +2
    27 August 2023 04: 32
    146 - on towed guns and mortars;
    130 - for self-propelled artillery installations of the Soviet and Western models;
    49 - for radar stations and communication complexes;
    44 - for anti-aircraft missile systems;
    18 - for multiple launch rocket systems.
    Why are there no tanks in the statistics?
    1. +8
      27 August 2023 04: 41
      Why are there no tanks in the statistics?

      I can bring. Of the 598 episodes of the use of the "Lancet" at the moment on tanks and specialized equipment based on them - 79. Against light armored vehicles, including infantry fighting vehicles - 64. That is, in general, 143 hits, which does not even reach a quarter of attacks in the total . This is also presented in the pie chart in the text of the article. What's embarrassing?
      1. +3
        27 August 2023 04: 47
        Yes, I'm far from embarrassment, I just didn't see it on the phone. hi How much is, so much is.
      2. 0
        28 August 2023 16: 15
        It's just that in the text of the article the numbers for tanks are omitted
  2. +1
    27 August 2023 04: 34
    From fishing nets to chain-link netting:

    ***
    - "Catch the fish, small and large!" ...
    ***
    1. +11
      27 August 2023 05: 32
      Well, what an inventive and restless nation - they dig the sea, then weave nets ...
      UKR dug the sea for us, he invented the wheel for us,
      And he saved mankind when the Lord conceived a flood...
      Noah was definitely SEEN when, he guessed every creature,
      Until trouble comes, drive a pair to your ark ..
      UKR taught the pharaohs how to build pyramids,
      He was the first to discover America and Antarctica for us.
      But then UKR fell into melancholy, sadness - he was told in secret,
      That his main enemy MOSKAL before UKROV created the planet ..
  3. +4
    27 August 2023 04: 44
    And the difference? if the lancet gets stuck ... there is a remote detonation anyway, when the operator realized that there was no explosion. The grid only keeps the module intact, which allows you to undermine the warhead anyway
    For ordinary ones that just reset, it will work. But against geraniums and lancets - no. If they were spotted and the usual ones didn’t work, and the target was like self-propelled guns, artillery, etc. - launch the lancet already
  4. +2
    27 August 2023 04: 56
    So how much does the Lancet cost our Defense Ministry? According to some publications, 1 million rubles, according to others - 3 million. For me, both are very expensive. Where are the alternatives? Where is the competition? We need tens of thousands of such devices. Zala is a private shop, doesn't it dictate inflated prices, like a virtual monopolist?
    1. -4
      27 August 2023 06: 26
      It is unlikely that 1 million, even 3 is probably not enough.
    2. +3
      27 August 2023 12: 47
      And war is always an "expensive pleasure."
    3. 0
      27 August 2023 18: 21
      There are all sorts of ghouls of 50 thousand pieces, but they are not so accurate and they are jammed by a reb
  5. +2
    27 August 2023 05: 09
    what In addition to the metal mesh, the strength of the structure depends on the frame itself, the poles on which the mesh is stretched look thin, the fasteners of the structure without stops and slopes are somehow flimsy. The design based on a metal frame (pipes, corners) is more reliable. By the way, lately there have been a lot of complaints about the metal mesh (chain-link) (to Ukrainian at the beginning of the 2010s too), it quickly rots (corrodes), an eight-month-old foal tears its way to freedom with its chest.
    Well, the main rule of war is that it is garbage, the main thing is maneuvers. You can’t wrap the entire object in the net, to approach the target, the UAV reconnaissance officer must tell the operator of the kamikaze drone how to find "approaches" to the target.
  6. +4
    27 August 2023 05: 51

    On the forum Army-2023 a special visor was introduced used to protect against kamikaze drones and conventional grenades dropped from drones. This is no longer a self-propelled gun, but quite a factory version ...

    1. +2
      27 August 2023 06: 02
      A strange association with an old Soviet joke:
      “We don’t know how to push science forward, but the authorities don’t allow pushing back. Therefore, we push it to the side”
  7. +2
    27 August 2023 06: 13
    Drones are evolving rapidly and soon these meshes won't be a problem for them. The sword and shield war will never end!
    1. -1
      27 August 2023 18: 24
      These nets have never been a problem, at the very beginning of the arrivals of the lancets, the airmen posted a couple of photos they say it gets stuck, but then somehow it turned out that the remote detonation does not get stuck on the lancet either, and the cumulative jet flies for 10 meters if there are no obstacles
  8. +2
    27 August 2023 06: 20
    Isn't it easier to shove a tandem into the Lancet instead of spending two UAVs?
    1. +1
      27 August 2023 08: 35
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Isn't it easier to shove a tandem into the Lancet instead of spending two UAVs?

      Indeed, it is easier! Are there ATGMs with a tandem? Eat. You can transfer the tandem warhead to the Lancet and everything will be fine!

      An example of a missile with a tandem warhead:
      1. +1
        27 August 2023 09: 32
        Monsieur knows a lot about perversions! Now look at the weight and size characteristics of tandems for Carl Gustav or at4. Any Lancet will fit two of these.
        1. 0
          27 August 2023 09: 58
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Monsieur knows a lot about perversions! Now look at the weight and size characteristics of tandems for Carl Gustav or at4. Any Lancet will fit two of these.

          All the better!
    2. 0
      27 August 2023 08: 37
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Isn't it easier to shove a tandem into the Lancet instead of spending two UAVs?

      Here you might think ... You can also use a "nuclear strike" warhead ... and a godfather with a tungsten "cap" -tip, as is done with one modification of the S-8 NAR ... But without modernizing the "lancets" all the same, seems to be indispensable! They will have to be made heavier and larger while maintaining (or even increasing) the range, speed, duration of being in the air ... Maybe they will have to change the engine ... You know ... this reminds me of the evolution of HERO! From such...

      up to this....
      1. +2
        27 August 2023 09: 36
        Hero did not evolve, the line was developed right away, one model is faster, others later. And an 84mm grenade can be hung under any fpv. You need a good grenade, not all these rays on piezoelectric elements
  9. +3
    27 August 2023 06: 22
    a special military operation in Ukraine became the first military conflict in history, the course of which was significantly influenced by unmanned aerial vehicles, which turned into one of the main combat weapons

    The war in Karabakh showed the effectiveness of drones, where Turkish drones smashed old Armenian armored vehicles and artillery.
  10. +2
    27 August 2023 06: 52
    Yes, all these nets stretched at a distance of a couple of meters from the object of attack, which is a "dead poultice" ... They are now very ineffective against ammunition that inflicts damage with a "shock core" ... We also need to take this into account, since our "Western partners" such ammunition is enough
  11. +3
    27 August 2023 08: 12
    In the Great Patriotic War, the grandfathers used the chain-link mesh.
    1. 0
      27 August 2023 09: 54
      Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
      In the Great Patriotic War, the grandfathers used the chain-link mesh.

      Yes...it was! The mesh (chain-link) was also used by the Germans, after they encountered the use of Soviet aviation small-caliber cumulative bombs of the PTAB-2,5-1,5 type .... By the way, similar PTAB-2,5-1,5 cumulative bombs were also used Germans ... "I don't remember the markings, but anyone who is interested can find it on the Internet!
    2. -2
      27 August 2023 10: 43
      The bed nets were welded on. ..........
      1. 0
        2 September 2023 20: 25
        If you are talking about the Great Patriotic War and our tanks, then we never welded bed nets. 240 T-34s were subjected to the installation of nets, made in an artisanal way, but quite decent. Don't trust the Western press.
  12. -1
    27 August 2023 09: 12
    Well, first of all, they themselves began to massively clone our Lancet, their craft like Perun is called. According to the Lancet, he clearly lacks speed, 150 km_ / h is not a big problem for a good air defense officer, even shooting down drones from a Z23-2 is easy. The lancet must not only fly at least twice as fast, but also actively maneuver throughout the flight, minimizing the flight altitude so as not to become an easy target. In addition, the explosive power should be at least 7,5 kg, then the probability is higher not just of hitting, but of destroying the target. And, since they are actively using analogues of the Lancet, I would like to know how things are with us with the protection of equipment and positions from their drones.
  13. 0
    27 August 2023 09: 56
    If someone is not in the know, then the chain-link mesh was invented as a protection against cumulative ammunition. First of all, for premature activation of warheads. But it also works against low-speed UAVs.
    1. -1
      27 August 2023 10: 51
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      If someone is not in the know, then the chain-link mesh was invented as a protection against cumulative ammunition.

      It was invented from cows. So that the cows do not run away.
  14. -1
    27 August 2023 10: 38
    Quote: Thrifty
    And, since they are actively using analogues of the Lancet, I would like to know how things are with us with the protection of equipment and positions from their drones.

    Well, first of all, that's a bad question. And secondly, I think, about the same. Grids and drones from civilian drones.
  15. -1
    27 August 2023 11: 11
    Mesh labels, maybe you just need more engineering solutions to use? The drone is not a projectile, the speed is relatively low, on approach it should be detected by a mini-radar and fire towards the ammunition, which explodes at some distance from the object, and the drone enters a cloud of damaging elements.
    Everything has long been invented. It remains only to adapt.
    Well, from grenades that fell from the sky is more difficult. All envy from the object of protection. Even if the ammunition gets stuck in the net and explodes at the top, it will cover the manpower in the trench or at the gun with striking elements from above. If this is armored vehicles, then the fragments are no longer so terrible.
    There is no single and universal solution.
  16. +1
    27 August 2023 12: 16
    It is necessary not only to stamp Lancets, but also to equip reconnaissance UAVs with laser illumination devices. The chain-link mesh is not an obstacle for Krasnopol, and it will be cheaper in total.
  17. 0
    27 August 2023 20: 39
    Why is it trifles? -Cover the entire outskirts with a chain-link mesh laughing
  18. -1
    28 August 2023 08: 52
    Except we have a problem with fishing nets for protection. Their circulation in the European part of the country is prohibited and it is problematic to supply them to frontline fighters. Vladlen Tatarsky spoke about this.
    A very strange ban on the sale of chains, maybe even set with intent, ahead of time.
  19. 0
    28 August 2023 20: 30
    "Not available in all departments"
    That is, pidrozdilov, i.e., units of combat dills?
  20. -1
    29 August 2023 16: 41
    The story is reminiscent of fighting torpedoes with barrages.
  21. 0
    28 September 2023 10: 12
    Somehow their imagination and ours are weak. In the first case, you can weave camouflage nets using metal cables of various sections, which solves two problems at once: camouflage and protection. An advantage of the solution is its compactness and quick folding when changing position. In the second case, you need to add an arrow-shaped tip made of hard light alloys to the bow, which will pierce a fishing net without problems, and at a sufficient speed of arrival even a chain-link.
  22. -1
    29 September 2023 18: 22
    how Ukrainians are trying to protect themselves from our Lancets
    Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    And what? How do our people protect themselves from UAVs? Not this way?
  23. 0
    16 October 2023 18: 14
    It all depends on the sensitivity of the drummer.
  24. 0
    29 October 2023 21: 20
    ...but not “chain-link mesh”, but “chain-link mesh”.
    Karl Rabitz came up with it and the manufacturing method.