F-22A "Raptor": the best in the world and the most ...

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F-22A "Raptor": the best in the world and the most ...

Poking around in what the adversaries had done about their wonderful F-22A aircraft, I came up with one thing: it's just a flying (sometimes) bag of contradictions. On the one hand, it is touted as the best aircraft in the world, the equal of which is not only not there, but is not even expected, and if it is foreseen, then again, exclusively from the United States. On the other hand, it is already so outdated and dilapidated that it needs to be urgently changed to something more modern.

But even despite the second, the Raptor is presented as something invisible and deadly, which, if necessary, will shoot Russian Su-35s from a distance of 150 kilometers, like ducks.




It’s not easy with the Su-35 at all, the plane was very unlucky and for some reason it was appointed in the world to be the main rival of the F-22A and they began to disperse this topic. As a result, our aircraft got even as many rumors and myths as the Raptor, but today we are not talking about the Su-35.

Yes, and we will talk about the F-22A not from the point of view from which this aircraft is discussed and confronted in comparisons. Just because the F-22A is all out of print, finally landed, retired, and so on. Call it what you want, he's not a fighter, whatever one may say. Yes, about a hundred aircraft will be in storage "just in case", but it is very doubtful that we will ever see the F-22A in a real combat clash with the Su-35S. But I will allow myself to speak about this at the very end.

Myth #1. About the almost complete invisibility of the F-22A


Almost every self-respecting "expert", speaking of the F-22A, cites some magical RCS figure of 0,0001 sq.m. What does she mean?

In general, EPR is a newly invented quantitative measure of stealth. It had to be invented to show how well the aircraft "shines" on the radar screens, that is, how well radio waves are generally reflected from the aircraft.


It is really measured in square meters, the standard is a metal sheet with an area of ​​1 sq.m. Naturally, no one is going to lift it into the air, everything is done by calculation.

But here the physics, and therefore the EPR (Effective Scattering Surface) can be seriously different even with a slight turn of the aircraft, the use of RPMs (radio absorbing materials) and so on.

So, about 0,0001 sq.m. the F-22A. For a very long time I tried to find out who gave out this figure at all, and with the help of no less stubborn comrades, I found it.

There is such a magazine in the USA as Avianedelya. Aviation Week & Space Technology has been published since 1916. With its audience and good circulation. But as a publication that has crossed the century, employees feel somewhat at ease there, and therefore from time to time they give out something sort of, semi-fantastic. Not often, but they give out. All these "our unnamed source in circles close to ...".

Well, you already understand.

In one of these materials, it sounded, in fact, that the RCS of the F-22 is 0,0001 sq. m for all distances, angles and wavelengths. Magic materials of the case, magic calculations of the geometry of corners, magic materials of the RPM ... In general, such a solid Hogwarts.

In fact, of course not, this simply cannot be.

In general, such a hefty crap like the Raptor simply cannot physically “glow” like an object the size of a tile in your bathroom. No matter how you coat it with RPM, how many layers of different materials you don’t apply (but you have to), there is an opinion that yes, such ultra-small values ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbcan be achieved, but in a limited segment of the millimeter range. And not from any angle.


And how will it look in different centimeter ranges? From S and X to Ku? It is clear that in the "light" of the radar with different wavelengths, the F-22A will look different and there's nothing to be done about it. So either the Americans came up with some kind of their own physics, or their statements, to put it mildly, are completely unscientific.

Everything turned out like in a song by Vysotsky: “The elephant said without understanding: it’s clear that there will be a flood!”. And the Raptor was written into something that was generally invisible to radar.

At the same time, it should be noted that the US Air Force made simply titanic efforts so that the F-22A did not fly where it could be “felt” behind the belly by different radars. Especially Russians and Chinese. Well, so as not to spoil the overall picture of the superplane.

But even without that, there were more than enough people who wanted to spin the Raptor on a computer in 3D model mode. And they cheated that the EPR of the F-22A, excluding RPM, would be something around 0,3-0,4 sq.m. Taking into account that RPMs in the USA are very good, the RCS can be safely reduced to 0,03 sq.m for the X-band.

But here it already becomes clear that 0,03 and 0,0001 are different things. And instead of a “black hole”, a really inconspicuous plane appears. And yes, here we should not forget that the EPR value is directly dependent on the change in wavelength and angle, moreover, it changes non-linearly. That is, simply by putting a well-known organ to the nose, it is impossible to purely assume how the F-22A will look in the S-band. You have to try, as they say.

So the myth that the Raptor will look equally beautiful in all angles and on all radio wave bands - alas, no. Physics vs. Somewhere the plane will be really very inconspicuous, and somewhere it will be visible in full. But all this is already on the conscience of the guys from Avianedelka.

Myth #2. On the versatility of the F-22A airborne radar antenna.


Here everything is somewhat more complicated. The myth goes like this:

“The AN / APG-77 radar antenna canvas can be divided into several zones, due to which the F-22 can simultaneously survey and search for air targets using radar, use weapons, jam, operate in RTR mode.”


In fact, theoretically, all this is possible. Indeed, the AFAR antenna can be divided into several sectors and each can be loaded with its own task. And here everything is just on the way, the power of the onboard generators and computing systems would be enough. And in practice, it really could well be that our F-22A flies, fired a rocket there, sent a packet of interference there, at the same time painted on the trajectory of an ally's rocket - all so multifunctional and invulnerable.

Cool, right?

But now, as a shadow of Armageddon, a question arose behind with big black letters EMC - “electromagnetic compatibility”. And the issue of EMC completely kills this fairy tale about the so-called multifunctionality.

Let's take a look at a very simplified example. We have a certain AFAR with 1000 cells, which are called PPM - a transceiver module. That is, each such cell is able both to shoot somewhere with a signal of a certain frequency, and to receive the reflected part of this signal. In fact, modern AFARs have under two thousand anti-tank guns, but let's take a thousand, so it will be easier for one lazy person to count. And yes, each cell can really be selected, grouped with a number of others, and set a separate task for them.

And here we are such a theoretical prem somewhere on the F-22A. Engines hum, radar draws color pictures, everything goes on as usual. But then some kind of radar station appears, which begins to stretch its tentacles towards us. And, in accordance with our tasks, saving missiles that may be useful in the future, this radar should be illuminated with interference.

Again, in theory, it looks like this: out of the 1000 PPM we have, we take and allocate 200 PPM for this task. Yes, we will decide that the signal power of one module is 1 W. And so we form a packet with interference and send them to the enemy. As they say, for all 200 watts of power. We send, as you understand, in the X-band, in the same one that air radars work with. And ours as well.

And here a number of questions immediately arise from our on-board equipment:

1. Will 20% of the antenna power be enough to deliver high-quality jamming greetings to the enemy?

2. And how will the signals of our radar be received at this time, given that a jamming transmitter is operating ten centimeters from the receiver? And how high is the probability that part of the sent interference will not return back, albeit in a weakened form and will not confuse the head of its radar?

3. How much will the “squeezed out” 20% of the PPM reduce the capabilities of the radar in terms of range and accuracy? Hypothetically, considering the same 20%, at a radar operating distance of 200 km, 20% is just minus 40 km. That is, for some time the radar will “see” at 160 km.

Moreover, it is also worth noting here that it is not very convenient for an aircraft pilot to engage in this balancing act. Now, if there was a navigator, then all these switching and appointments could easily be put on him, and in general, a combat fighter pilot has something to do in flight without these frills.

In general, it turns out that somehow it’s not a myth, but it doesn’t look like a reasonable undertaking either.

But if you use the ENTIRE surface of AFAR to perform ONE task with the help of an elementary switch, then there is something in it. But this is already being used by pilots and not only on the F-22A, alternating between the modes of review, capture and tracking of the target, and jamming. But all the same, according to many who understand, it is much more effective to use ... a jammer as a jammer! Yes, from a regular set of weapons or in a hanging container, it doesn’t matter so much. More importantly, he will cope with the task more calmly and better than AFAR switched to another mode.

The only example of multitasking that can take place is the simultaneous scanning of airspace and the earth's surface. This mode of operation is possible easily, the main thing here is that the radar viewing angles allow.

Myth #3. Chudo-BRLS AN / APG-77


The AN / APG-77 radar can operate in passive mode, because it belongs to AFAR radars, which, in turn, are capable of operating in the mode of masking the operation of the radar under a noise signal, thereby providing additional stealth.

This scarecrow in various interpretations has been roaming the Internet almost since the advent of AFARs. Let's go through the alphabet.

What is AFAR? It is, first of all, an antenna.


Fancy, but nonetheless. How can the active or passive operation of the radar depend on it at all? No way. Reception is such a thing, it can be on its own reflected signal, active, it can be on strangers, that is, passive. They turned off the transmitter, leaving the receiver - here you have the change of asset to liability. But the antenna will receive in any case.

As for the operation of the radar in the "radio silence mode", then everything is even simpler. A scattered broadband signal was able to be recognized 20 years ago. I won’t take it upon myself to say how well this was implemented in the Raptor avionics, but in our Su-30MKI (that is, since 1992, as a fighter went into production), this was easily used, moreover, on the H011 Bars radar, which is not AFAR at all.


The algorithm was as follows: after detecting a target at a long range, the target coordinates are automatically fixed, the station goes into radio silence mode. When the aircraft approaches the optimal range weapons, the system launches missiles. It is possible that the Americans have something similar, but this is a completely common occurrence.

Myth number 4. Super speed and super maneuverability F-22А


The message is this: the F-22A superengines (of course, the fifth generation!) provide the aircraft with unparalleled speed characteristics and super-maneuverability no worse than those of Russian aircraft.

This is where everything really needs to be laid out.

In general, I would like to start with the fact that such an aircraft is a compromise. A compromise between stealth and speed and maneuverability (especially) qualities. This can be clearly seen in the example of Russian aircraft, which sacrifice stealth in favor of super-maneuverability.

What does the F-22A have with its F119-PW100 engines? Yes, everything is not bad really: impressive afterburner thrust, non-afterburning supersonic ... But there are nuances. For the sake of high afterburner thrust, the bypass ratio had to be cut in order to reduce the inductive resistance. Accordingly, the engine became louder, the fuel consumption increased significantly, the temperature of the exhaust jet increased, which is also not very pleasant for the aircraft (missiles welcome).


It so happened that the most efficient F-22A engines in terms of supersonic without afterburner at altitudes of 10-12 km. At other heights - very so-so and with a creak. But here it is worth remembering that the F119-PW100 was created almost in the last century, so it’s a breakthrough, whatever one may say.

The aerodynamics of the F-22A is generally something. If you look closely and with a magnifying glass at the plane, in this respect it is close to the F-14 or our MiG-23. The integral aerodynamic layout, due to the requirements of stealth, the wing was made flat, and the fuselage is also assembled from the most flat surfaces. There are no influxes, the forms are generally simplified as much as possible.


But this bears fruit precisely on supersonic sound, where the Raptor is really quite good. But the same cannot be said about subsonic speeds. The subsonic maneuverability of the F-22A is sad and, at best, can be compared with 4th generation fighters. Therefore, it’s simply not worth talking about some kind of super-maneuverability in general: the F-22A is good at a speed of 1-1,2M, but it’s completely useless where super-maneuverable Russian aircraft perform miracles of aerobatics.

Myth number 5. The hunter is invisible and deadly


The F-22A has an AIM-120D air-to-air missile with a maximum range of 180 kilometers. Using stealth and all of the above, the F-22A can destroy any aircraft in the world long before it detects the Raptor.

Reading all the reports regarding the fact that the AIM-120C-8 missile (namely, as it was called before being renamed AIM-120D) has a flight range of about 180 km, to be honest, I was very surprised. If you look at the manufacturer's website, it is indicated in English letters that the engine of the rocket is similar to the AIM-120C-5/6 engine, and the C-7 version is launched by the same engine. And the flight range there is in the region of 120-130 km. Where did 180 km come from - the question.

In addition, do not forget that the maximum range is usually indicated for relatively slow non-maneuverable targets. A transport aircraft, a tanker aircraft, an AWACS aircraft, and even one flying on a missile carrier.

But with a highly maneuverable and high-speed target, everything is much more complicated. The launch range can easily be reduced by 2-3 times if the target begins to “exhaust” the missile upon detecting its launch. And the same Su-35 can arrange this matter in such a way that 6-7 seconds after the launch, the rocket will generally lose interest in it due to the complete exhaustion of fuel. And without the engine running, the electronics don't work either, so that's it. The life of a rocket is generally a short matter. So here, super-maneuverability is not particularly needed at such distances, just decent maneuverability and speed are enough.

“Shoot and forget” is also not entirely correct. Even for missiles with an active seeker, not everything is so simple. No, of course, this is possible when shooting "point-blank" at aviation measure (10-20 km), when the GOS of the missile can capture the target while still on the pylon. But then - sorry, the radar on the GOS is a very weak thing, if it sees a target for several tens of kilometers, it can also lose it. That is, even when launched on a large and slow target, the missile must be corrected by the radar of the carrier. Otherwise, catch it somewhere over the horizon.

An active radar seeker is a very good thing, and different from a missile with a passive missile launcher. What really does not require guidance from an aircraft on the final segment of the trajectory, the rocket must cope on its own. But to say that the rocket itself, without fine-tuning, will fly 180 km towards the target is from the realm of fairy tales.

That is, the Raptor, which is in radio silence, not detected, crept up to 180 km and launched a rocket “out of nowhere” is, alas, a myth.

Myth number 6. Multifunctionality.


The F-22 is said to be a multifunctional aircraft capable of solving a wide range of tasks on a variety of types of targets.
This is the most rollicking fairy tale of all today. For lunch, so to speak.

When gentlemen from across the ocean talk about multifunctionality, I would recommend that they not re-read the nomenclature of what can be hung / stuffed into the Su-34 not at night. And imbued with the understanding that there are many functions from destruction.

What does the F-22 have? Never mind! We don’t take a 20-mm chirp for weapons at all, this is purely for drone flinch, nothing more. Two types of air-to-air missiles and three types of bombs: JDAM, GBU-39 and SDB-53/B. Bombs are luxurious, it's not worth arguing, but can all problems be solved by operating with these bombs? No, not all.

I read an article in which our well-known Hunt from The Drive wrote in all seriousness that there simply cannot be a worse enemy than the F-22 for our S-300 / S-400, thanks to the presence in the arsenal of guided bombs with a range of up to 110 kilometers. Say, a complete nightmare and horror for the Russians: an almost invisible plane throws very accurate and almost invisible bombs that will destroy these S-300s.

In general, yes, only the F-22 can cope with such a task: at a speed of 1,5 M, at an altitude of 12-15 km, drop this same SDB so that it really flies 100 km. The rest of the carriers of this ammunition either have the wrong speed / altitude, or speed limits with such blanks under the wings.

Another question - what about the detection of the carrier, which is the F-22 radar S-300? Many experts openly say that at such heights this will be done very quickly. Yes, these are comfortable heights for the F-22, but they are also comfortable for anti-aircraft missiles. This is not a drone to drive at 50 meters, you need to understand.

And in the end, it’s really a little bit of tar: there are only three types of bombs on the ground. From optics, only a missile detector (though decent in every sense) attacking an aircraft, containers with aiming devices, reconnaissance equipment, electronic warfare are not and will not be, of course. During the operation, the onboard electronic warfare station was never made, but this is “suppression” with the help of radar - well, this is simply not serious. EW for the poor.

And so it turns out that you can talk as much as you like that the F-22 is the most combat aircraft in the world, but in reality, alas, not very science fiction. And the image that is being very successfully imposed on the whole world is, for some reason, very far from what it really is.

In general, yes, the plane is good. Like any aircraft that does not fight against us, right?
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  1. +8
    14 August 2023 05: 12
    Myths must be dispelled on the battlefield.
    This is how our guys today dispel the myths about the unsurpassed Western weapons and the professionalism of Western specialists.
    If there is something to answer, there is no need to wait until they sit on their heads (on Red Square). Rustov times must go forever.
    * * *
    As for the various "Raptors" and "Penguins", the American sandpiper continues to praise his swamp, having no reason for this, except for the desire to receive material benefits and prolong the existence of dollar hegemony ...
    1. -4
      14 August 2023 13: 17
      Therefore, they are not sent to the real battlefield, where he can easily dispel all myths about himself.
      So they fly somewhere over Arizona or Miami. Or appear over areas where they are not threatened to actually participate in hostilities.
      The memory of the same mythical, "invisible, beautifully flying" iron ", shot down over Yugoslavia is still alive and makes itself felt ...
      1. +1
        14 August 2023 14: 14
        Or appear over areas where they are not threatened to actually participate in hostilities.

        F-22s have flown and are now flying in the skies over Syria and Iraq. At the same time, there were several cases of meeting with our fighters. Do you want them to shoot down the F-22? Don't you think about the consequences?
        1. +1
          14 August 2023 19: 29
          well, after all, somehow they overwhelmed a strategic drone over the Black Sea .. well, after all .. our border guards (sorry, pilots of course) are brave guys .... you just need to give them an order .. and they won’t let you down .. and the mattress covers will think three times is it worth it fly where you can not return ..
      2. +10
        14 August 2023 19: 06
        Shamkozakidatelstvo and urya patriotism, especially those based on fantasies, have not yet brought anyone to anything good.
        The F-22 is a serious aircraft, we don’t have such a thing yet, especially in the amount of 200 pieces, by 2026 they promise the Su-57 with engines of the second stage, then we will catch up with the F-22 produced more than 20 years ago in terms of engine. And in terms of avionics, we were bypassed not only by the Americans, but also by the Chinese. And the available Su-57s, even if they were at the level of the F-22, are nothing.
        1. +7
          15 August 2023 17: 17
          Quote: ramzay21
          Shamkozakidatelstvo and urya patriotism, especially those based on fantasies, have not yet brought anyone to anything good.

          But one must also look at the enemy soberly, without complexes and false fears.
          Quote: ramzay21
          The F-22 is a serious aircraft, we don’t have such a thing yet, especially in the amount of 200 pieces

          We will not have this. The Su-57 is a cut above in terms of functionality and capabilities, but quantitatively ... well, we were informed that the production rate has been sharply increased and by the end of 2024 we will already have 60 such aircraft in service. and the annual output from this and next year will be increased to 24 pieces. in year .
          Quote: ramzay21
          by 2026, they promise the Su-57 with engines of the second stage, then we will catch up with the F-22, which was released more than 20 years ago, in terms of engine.

          Whom will we catch up with?? F-22A?
          In general, the traction characteristics of the Su-57 with the AL-41F-1S are approximately the same. Come back - just the same. For flat nozzles eat up from 12 to 15%, leveling out the slight advantages of the F-22A engine. In addition, the aerodynamics of the Su-57 is much better, the dry weight is less, and the maximum takeoff weight, on the contrary, is greater. That is why the combat radius of the Su-57 is 1,5+ times greater. Wearable ammunition on internal suspensions is two + times higher. BRLK "Squirrel" with its all-perspective canvases, this is generally a masterpiece. True, in order to control all aerial information and work on all targets, not forgetting about piloting, a second crew member is still desirable, at least the possibility of such a modification ... Which, unfortunately, was not foreseen, but to this idea all the same (despite everything former stubbornness) came, and it seems that they are still working on it.
          So, our "first stage" did not surpass our "first stage" with the (very good) F-22A engines. And is it surprising if both the F-22 engine and the AL-41F (created for the MiG-41) were created at the same time and ours was ready even earlier. And ours initially had greater thrust - in afterburner 0 kg.s. It was already reworked for the Su-15S, slightly reducing the cross section, lowering the thrust to 500 kg.s. , but increasing the resource to 35 flight hours.
          So the engine of the first stage for the Su-57 is quite sufficient for outstanding performance characteristics. The traction characteristics originally declared for the "Product-30" were 19 kg.s. afterburners (later reduced to 500 kg.s.) for the Su-18 are even redundant, but they will give it even greater acceleration characteristics. But not the maximum speed, because there are already restrictions on the glider.
          Therefore, the Su-57 has one, while the main problem is that there are FEW of them in the troops. Their production was constantly postponed due to the unavailability of the avionics components and the desire to put second-stage engines on the serial aircraft.
          But the Lyulkovites took on too inflated "social obligations". In such dimensions and weights, it is impossible to obtain the desired thrust from this engine with an acceptable resource ... it does not work. The resource does not work, the temperatures on the shoulder blades are too high. Let me just say, even if you lower the maximum afterburner thrust to 16,5 - 17 t.s. for the sake of obtaining an acceptable resource, this thrust of the Su-57 is enough for the eyes. The main thing is that the resource should be at the level of AL-41F-1S.
          Quote: ramzay21
          And in terms of avionics, we were bypassed not only by the Americans, but also by the Chinese.

          It's hard to say, but this is where the Chinese are really progressing. They do not spare money for the military-industrial complex and development, they have been luring specialists (from the Russian Federation and used ones) since the 90s, they are developing their science. With us, everything basically rests on the element base, which they almost didn’t leave their own. But neither they nor the United States have anything equal to our "Squirrel" (there is something similar, but not equal, not all-perspective).
          Quote: ramzay21
          available Su-57s, even if they were at the F-22 level

          They are initially much higher level. The difference in age, taking into account the mistakes of the enemy, wider combat capabilities.
          1. 0
            16 August 2023 07: 31
            But one must also look at the enemy soberly, without complexes and false fears.

            That's exactly what you need to look at the enemy soberly and see a realistic picture and not what you yourself have drawn.
            In general, the traction characteristics of the Su-57 with the AL-41F-1S are approximately the same. Come back - just the same.

            If we discard all the lyrics, then the F-22 simply can fly without afterburner at supersonic speed, and our Su-57 with the essentially Soviet AL-41 simply does not, which is why they are making the second stage engine to catch up with the F-22.
            For flat nozzles eat up from 12 to 15%, leveling out the slight advantages of the F-22A engine.

            Flat nozzles are one of the key elements for a generation 5 aircraft. And the F-22 can fly supersonic without afterburner with flat nozzles, and our Su-57 cannot even with conventional nozzles, and this only emphasizes that the AL-41 engines do not meet the requirements for generation 5 aircraft. Actually realizing this, they began to make the engine of the second stage in order to reach the parameters of the F-22 engine of the sample of almost 30 years ago.

            Actually, I don’t understand why it’s useless to argue with obvious things and not admit that our aircraft engine building is very behind the West, it was even under the USSR, when huge funds were allocated for such developments

            BRLK "Squirrel" with its all-perspective canvases, this is generally a masterpiece.

            This "masterpiece" is built on the Elbrus processor, which we produce only on a 90 nm processor, modern in 2003. While the American AN / APG-77, which is on the F-22, is regularly upgraded and runs on processors of at least 2017, and this is a completely different level and completely different opportunities.
            Our lag in radar compared to the lag in engine building is much stronger, especially against the backdrop of the long-standing collapse of the entire electronic industry in our country.
            But neither they nor the United States have anything equal to our "Squirrel" (there is something similar, but not equal, not all-perspective).

            All-angle provides the presence of antennas built into the airframe, and this is also on the twenty-year-old F-22 and F-35. Belka is built on ancient processors and you can no longer argue, simply because Belka's processors are simply not able to process information at the level of modern American radar processors.
            1. -2
              2 September 2023 18: 59
              Ramsay, it feels like you don’t perceive incoming information at all.

              Because they wouldn’t carry this nonsense:

              Flat nozzles are one of the key elements for a generation 5 aircraft. And the F-22 can fly supersonic without afterburner with flat nozzles, and our Su-57 cannot even with conventional nozzles, and this only emphasizes that the AL-41 engines do not meet the requirements for generation 5 aircraft. Actually realizing this, they began to make the engine of the second stage in order to reach the parameters of the F-22 engine of the sample of almost 30 years ago.


              The person in the previous message described everything to you. Read it again.

              Regarding the processors. 90nm is quite enough for radar, and with a margin.

              No one is upgrading any radars on Raptors. The people there are probably worse than the Elbrus and Baikals.
      3. +1
        14 August 2023 23: 01
        The iron quite worked for itself on the same Iraq. And couch theorists can remember anything
  2. +6
    14 August 2023 05: 34
    I love reading Roman! Very emotional and colorful.
    1. +6
      14 August 2023 07: 39
      Quote: Dummy
      I love reading Roman! Very emotional and colorful.

      + beautiful syllable! The best, in my opinion, the author of VO!
      1. 0
        14 August 2023 09: 18
        + head of the "Armament" department and moderator! Strong respect for him!
        1. AAK
          +12
          14 August 2023 10: 49
          Class!!! "Strong Respect" is counted ... but I would like to read something similar in relation to our "unparalleled in the world" Su-57 or "even more unparalleled in the world" Su-75 (forecast), even if not from the "magnificent and having no analogues in the world" R. Skomorokhov, at least a reprint whatever...
          1. +3
            14 August 2023 15: 30
            but I would like to read something similar in relation to our "unparalleled in the world" Su-57 or "even more unparalleled in the world" Su-75 (forecast), even if not from the "magnificent and having no analogues in the world" [quote] [/ quote]
            I tried but didn't pass
          2. +1
            14 August 2023 16: 27
            "even more unparalleled in the world" Su-75

            Not yet existing, so it will be more accurate.
    2. +13
      14 August 2023 10: 18
      I love reading Roman! Very emotional and colorful.

      the further the writer is from the topic, the more colorful the syllable
  3. -4
    14 August 2023 05: 53
    Thanks a lot! this is a great analysis, very balanced and based on the truth!!!
    1. +14
      14 August 2023 10: 30
      Where did you see the analysis "based on truth" here? As in my opinion - a banal banter of an illiterate sofa expert. And no more!
    2. +4
      14 August 2023 19: 41
      And it seemed to me - a humorous review.
      1. -1
        16 August 2023 15: 50
        This is not a page for comedians, but what is written is not a feuilleton ...
  4. +9
    14 August 2023 05: 55
    The aerodynamics of the F-22A is generally something.

    The aerodynamics of the Su-35 is better than that of the Su-57, so the Su-57 is bad? No? Does the F-22 turn out bad? Should I accept this friend?
    there is an opinion that yes, such ultra-small values ​​can be achieved, but in a limited segment of the millimeter range. And not from any angle.

    And this is exactly the same for the Su-57, and it will also be very clearly visible, and due to a number of features it will be seen even better than the F-22.

    We have a certain AFAR with 1000 cells

    1956 to be precise, on the Su-35 this figure is 1772, and on the Su 57 in general 1526.
    The radar power of the Su-35 is 20 kW, the F-22 is 16 kW, the Su-57 xs is how much, but the energy density of the canvas is almost the same as that of the Su-35, which indicates problems with heat and, as a result, insufficient power compared to the F-22, so the same problems in frequencies, both in the upper and in the lower.
    What does the F-22 have? Never mind! Chirp 20 mm

    The author wants to demonstrate how he will stop a hail of 20mm bullets with willpower? Or does he really think that 20mm will do less damage to our aircraft than 12.7mm did during Vietnam? Or do we have armored planes?

    Where did 180 km come from - the question.


    Probably the point is to reduce the weight of the homing head, a new type of fuel, more of it, a new trajectory calculation system?

    but they are also comfortable for anti-aircraft missiles.

    The problem is that, of course, you can see him at such a height, but it may not work to shoot at such a distance, for which, in fact, this whole bodyaga with stealth.
    1. +12
      14 August 2023 07: 15
      Well, so ... For the sake of order ... 20 mm are still shells, not bullets
      1. 0
        14 August 2023 11: 30
        Quote: novel xnumx
        20 mm is still shells, not bullets

        it's not the same for everybody. wink over there, the Germans have 20mm is MG and only 30mm is already MK.
        1. +4
          14 August 2023 13: 03
          MG? MK? There is a very clear definition: shells flight stabilization occurs due to the interaction with the rifling of the barrel of special leading beltsHave bullets - due to deformation housing bullets. And the caliber values ​​themselves are secondary here (for example, there are "bullets" with a diameter of 23 mm).
          1. -1
            14 August 2023 14: 08
            for shells, flight stabilization occurs due to the interaction with the rifling of the barrel of special leading belts

            Now explain HOW does the BOPS interact (?) with the rifling of the cannon bore if the cannon is smoothbore (for example, 2A46M)?
            1. +2
              14 August 2023 14: 28
              But elementary. When there are no rifling, then, moving along the bore, it interacts with the entire surface of the barrel with the help of a detachable pallet, which also SUDDENLY has leading belts.

              Here you can see that this is a separate part, specially designed for such interaction.
              1. -1
                14 August 2023 15: 57
                leading belts for "interaction"?????? Do you still not know the meaning of the word "obturator"?
                Obturator - a part of a firearm that prevents powder gases from breaking through the gap between the projectile belt and the surface of the bore at the beginning of the shot. Invented by the German scientist G. Merent.

                and how does the obturator "stabilize" the projectile in the channel of the SMOOTHBORN gun? explain to me, stupid, the physical process of stabilizing the projectile in the bore, pliz!
                1. +1
                  14 August 2023 17: 26
                  Here is the link:
                  https://topwar.ru/31292-sovetskie-bops-dlya-orudiy-semeystva-2a46.html
                  Rice. 11D. There it is clear where the obturator is, and where the belt is.
                  1. -3
                    15 August 2023 13: 04
                    Well, how do all obturator belts stabilize BOPS in the channel of a smoothbore gun, huh? or is your knowledge of internal ballistics limited to articles of muddy content? laughing
          2. -1
            15 August 2023 08: 41
            due to the interaction with the rifling of the barrel of special leading belts

            Such belts?
            1. -1
              15 August 2023 12: 15
              Not like here at Blondeau's bullet:

              And the .22 LR has just annular grooves.
        2. -1
          14 August 2023 15: 49
          It is not very correct to count by caliber, usually - it explodes, a projectile, cast lead - a bullet
          1. +3
            14 August 2023 23: 05
            That is, armor-piercing blanks of tank and anti-tank artillery from the time of the Second World War were bullets?
    2. +4
      14 August 2023 09: 22
      Quote: Petrov-Alexander_1Sergeevich
      And this is exactly the same for the Su-57, and it will also be very clearly visible, and due to a number of features it will be seen even better than the F-22.

      For the Su-57 EPR 0.0000001 no one stated
      Quote: Petrov-Alexander_1Sergeevich
      The radar power of the Su-35 is 20 kW, the F-22 is 16 kW, the Su-57 xs is how much, but the energy density of the canvas is almost the same as that of the Su-35, which indicates problems with heat and, as a result, insufficient power compared to the F-22, so the same problems in frequencies, both in the upper and in the lower.

      It is necessary how much can be determined on the basis of power. Did you try to make diagnoses by pulse, like Badmaev? You should be able to
      Quote: Petrov-Alexander_1Sergeevich
      Or does he really think that 20mm will do less damage to our aircraft than 12.7mm did during Vietnam?

      I think much less. I wonder how many planes in the NWO were shot down by an onboard gun. I suspect none
      Quote: Petrov-Alexander_1Sergeevich
      Where did 180 km come from - the question.
      Probably the point is to reduce the weight of the homing head, a new type of fuel, more of it, a new trajectory calculation system?

      The question is not the amount of fuel, but at what distance the GOS will detect the enemy. Provided that the cross-sectional area is minimal, the power is limited. 180 km is fantastic, it does not happen. And the new "trajectory calculation system" delivered ... Try to calculate the flight of a bee for at least 30 seconds without any data other than the initial course and speed
      1. +12
        14 August 2023 11: 13
        180 km is fantastic, it does not happen.
        This happens because this figure has nothing to do with the actual conditions of combat use. When referring to the air-to-air missile launch range, it is imperative to add the following information:
        - launch conditions (back-to-back);
        - parameters of the rocket carrier movement;
        - parameters of target movement;
        - model of target behavior in the process of guidance.
        And therefore, the launch range characteristic will be a set of graphs depending on the conditions. And here, at VO, for the AIM-120, such graphs were given, and on them the "huge" range figures corresponded to an altitude of 25 km, but how will the F-22 or F-35 get to this altitude and who will be its target? And if you descend to the heights of real combat use, for example, 10 km, then the launch range for a non-maneuvering target will already be in the region of 60 km, and for a maneuvering target it will already be a little more than 30, so for real conditions the "sturgeon will need to be cut" by 3 ... 6 times!
        1. 0
          14 August 2023 13: 59
          Quote: Hexenmeister
          This happens because this figure has nothing to do with the actual conditions of combat use ... If our elite (the phrase then with the word of ours already warps) would not have kept funds in foreign currency, the dollar would have fallen to the real level of its value long ago. And so our industrialists lose, but it’s not scary, due to taxes on mortals (it’s easier to take a million on the steering wheel than a million from an oligarch), the government will cover the losses.
          Even more conditions are needed, you just listed the main ones.
        2. +3
          14 August 2023 19: 37
          I would like to supplement the topic of launches in passive mode with AWACS illumination .. in this mode, the impact craft itself does not turn on the active sensor at all, but shoots according to the data received .. and then the AIM-120D flight occurs with AWACS accompaniment .. and by the way on RWR (well if we have SPO) it does not reflect an active radar in the capture_tracking mode, but a distant AWACS and only by ~ 10NM on the AMRAAM seeker and the SU-35 pilot lags behind. Airborne avionics .. the same option is possible for ours (let's say Su-57) in the presence of AWACS, but we are not doing so well with this ..
          1. 0
            15 August 2023 11: 13
            I would like to supplement the topic of launches in passive mode with AWACS illumination
            Not everything is so simple with this. If we take the most famous AWACS aircraft, namely the "flying rotating mushroom", then due to mechanical rotation, the rate of updating information will be insufficient to ensure that the missile is guided to a maneuvering target. Further, to ensure missile guidance at long ranges, it is necessary to transmit radio correction signals to the missile, and the AWACS aircraft radar operates in a different range than the fighter radar, so the “strike craft” will have to turn on its “active sensor”, at least to transmit radio correction signals, and maybe also to increase the rate of updating information about the target. In addition, modern fighter radars have not attacked a target in the "capture-track" mode for a long time, and your "RWR (we have SPO)" will also not show much when attacking you. And therefore, an important role will be played by the secrecy of the operation of airborne radars, which consists of many components, about which no one will expand.
      2. +5
        14 August 2023 16: 57
        How much can be defined

        Is sarcasm our everything? Frequencies do not depend on power - I just listed a number of problems separated by commas.

        I wonder how many planes in the NWO were shot down by an onboard gun. I suspect none

        Are you suggesting that we remove guns from our planes like dead weight?

        The question is not the amount of fuel, but how far the GOS is

        I'm sorry, what? Is the range of the missile now determined by the range of the seeker?
        Or do you seriously think that when launched at 180 km, the missile itself captures the target? You made my day.

        calculate the flight of a bee

        And that our plane suddenly flies like a bee?
        1. 0
          14 August 2023 19: 57
          Quote: Petrov-Alexander_1Sergeevich
          I'm sorry, what? Is the range of the missile now determined by the range of the seeker?
          Or do you seriously think that when launched at 180 km, the missile itself captures the target? You made my day.

          Dear Alexander Sergeevich. No need to distort and put your words in my mouth. You made your day yourself, without my participation.
          Quote: Petrov-Alexander_1Sergeevich
          And that our plane suddenly flies like a bee?

          You will not believe. So yes. They, unlike a brick thrown at an angle to the horizon, can change their trajectory. And they do it unpredictably
          1. 0
            15 August 2023 03: 46
            Unpredictable? From this place more in detail, I write down.
          2. 0
            21 August 2023 18: 08
            And they do it unpredictably

            So what's with the unpredictability? I would still like to educate myself a little.
    3. 0
      2 September 2023 20: 44
      It's quite the opposite. It is difficult to detect it at such a height, but if it is found, then that’s it: the firing radar knows where the target is and directs all its attention there and calmly fires. But detecting the F-22 is not a problem. Look at what frequencies the sky radar operates at
  5. +2
    14 August 2023 06: 00
    The main thing is that we are not currently in the Second World War, and it is very difficult to meet an enemy aircraft in the sky, because there are very few of them.
    The main enemy is air defense systems, with significantly more advanced radars, the capabilities of which, in terms of setting the same interference, significantly exceed aircraft ones. The same can be said about distance.
    The time of such superheroes as the F-22 is gone (
    1. +1
      14 August 2023 19: 39
      somewhere you really won’t meet them, but somewhere else, like bees on honey .. but hoping for the best, shouldn’t you prepare for the worst .. no ???
    2. 0
      15 August 2023 08: 35
      The main enemy is air defense systems, with significantly more advanced radars, whose capabilities for setting the same interference significantly exceed aircraft ones.
      In general, a radar, that is, a radar station, is designed to detect and track objects, and not to jam. The vast majority of ground-based radars operate in a completely different frequency range than fighter radars. And otherwise how to call it humor in the range in which the enemy does not work smile If we talk about the detection ranges of ground-based radars and fighter radars, then the situation is not in favor of ground-based means, fighter radars often have much better detection characteristics, while using much smaller antennas, many times lower radiation power, not to mention system dimensions.
  6. -12
    14 August 2023 06: 04
    Probably half the night he wrote another fairy tale with a claim to the opinion of an expert from the couch)))
    Come on the next fairy tale on the submarine)))
    1. +7
      14 August 2023 08: 27
      Dmitry, what specific, in essence, can you write? If you, with the surname "Skomorokhov", have an imbalance in the body, this does not mean that you can only write "Fe". "Fe" is not a comment. Here, write an article, and we'll see ... But first, learn how to comment. In general, addressing a stranger with "you" is indecent. I once wrote that it is useful for people like you to write a draft comment, read it, relate it to the topic of the article, cry, destroy the draft and break the keyboard. am
      1. +1
        14 August 2023 14: 11
        if you need explanations, then you don't need to explain.
      2. 0
        14 August 2023 15: 25
        Quote: My address
        Dmitry, what specific, in essence, can you write?

        In fact, I already got tired of writing. Why throw pearls in front of piggies? (saying if that) If the reaction is zero.
        see above

        Quote: My address
        In general, addressing a stranger with "you" is indecent.

        Indecent or decent, I decide. To decent people, I'm always on you. And to those who from time to time write and spread their fantasies with a claim to expert opinion in which, through the word, complete nonsense ... well, excuse me, too much honor.
        Quote: My address
        I once wrote that it is useful for people like you to write a draft comment, read it, relate it to the topic of the article, cry, destroy the draft and break the keyboard.

        You write to the author under each of his essays))).
        PS. Let me give you a test phrase from the article: "They say that the F-22 is a multifunctional aircraft capable of solving a wide range of tasks for a wide variety of types of targets.
        This is the most rollicking fairy tale of all today. For a snack, so to speak.
        What is wrong with her?
        1. +1
          14 August 2023 15: 35
          What is wrong with her?

          Almost everything
        2. 0
          14 August 2023 15: 47
          Quote: JD1979
          Quote: My address
          Dmitry, what specific, in essence, can you write?

          In fact, I already got tired of writing. Why throw pearls in front of piggies? (saying if that) If the reaction is zero.
          see above

          Quote: My address
          In general, addressing a stranger with "you" is indecent.

          Indecent or decent, I decide. To decent people, I'm always on you. And to those who from time to time write and spread their fantasies with a claim to expert opinion in which, through the word, complete nonsense ... well, excuse me, too much honor.
          Quote: My address
          I once wrote that it is useful for people like you to write a draft comment, read it, relate it to the topic of the article, cry, destroy the draft and break the keyboard.

          You write to the author under each of his essays))).
          PS. Let me give you a test phrase from the article: "They say that the F-22 is a multifunctional aircraft capable of solving a wide range of tasks for a wide variety of types of targets.
          This is the most rollicking fairy tale of all today. For a snack, so to speak.
          What is wrong with her?

          The word is SPEAKED ... grandmothers in the bazaar say ... laughing
    2. -1
      14 August 2023 12: 43
      Quote: JD1979
      Probably wrote half the night ....
      Already for the fact that a person wrote half the night in order to read it and at least think about the topic, he deserves respect!
      And what you gave out would be interpreted as follows: "Probably went to work, so that ...." A strange reproach to a person for working. In modern realities, you apparently think this is shameful?
      1. +3
        14 August 2023 13: 13
        Quote: NIKNN
        Already for the fact that a person wrote half the night in order to read it and at least think about the topic, he deserves respect!


        I doubt that's the only reason. Probably also for the salary. :-)
        Basically, tomatoes fly at him because, according to people, he writes articles about what he does not understand and the articles come out with controversial content ...
        1. +3
          14 August 2023 13: 53
          Basically, tomatoes fly at him because, according to people, he writes articles about what he does not understand and the articles come out with controversial content ...

          We do not know the true criteria for evaluating the work of authors. For example, you can evaluate by the number of comments on an article. Just controversial articles give rise to more comments. And with a competent article, which provides an evidence base, you can’t really argue.
          1. +4
            14 August 2023 14: 12
            We do not know the true criteria for evaluating the work of authors.

            one stupid person can ask so many questions that a hundred wise men cannot answer in a year.
      2. +2
        14 August 2023 15: 56
        Quote: NIKNN
        And what you gave out would be interpreted as follows: "Probably went to work, so that ...." A strange reproach to a person for working. In modern realities, you apparently think this is shameful?

        Let's say you came to a restaurant / cafe / etc. doesn't matter. Ordered food there, waited an hour. They brought you, you lifted the lid and you see-feel something there that causes a gag reflex. To your legitimate claims that their cook is a person with no appropriate education and no hands at all, in response to you: “A strange reproach to a person for working. In modern realities, you apparently consider this shameful? Eat what you brought and do not be indignant.
        If the result of the work is marriage and garbage, then yes, such work is shameful in any reality.
        1. +3
          14 August 2023 16: 06
          you are absolutely right, but critical thinking is unusual for the victims of the exam.
    3. +2
      14 August 2023 14: 09
      looking at how tobacco is minus for an honest comment! wassat
  7. +4
    14 August 2023 06: 45
    What's guaranteed is that the skakuas won't get it. Under no circumstances. Israel seemed to ask, and it seems like Trump already agreed, and the infrastructure seemed to be suitable, and the pilots were trained according to Western standards, but in the end they didn’t give it. And 404 definitely does not have anything that is required, and there is nowhere to take it on / off.
    1. 0
      14 August 2023 13: 29
      So yes, I agree. BUT ... I would still prefer this hyped miracle of technology to appear on the outskirts. After all, this is so American: to sell the latest hard drives with blank cartridges to the Indians. And so even in the blessed desert, where they plan to store them, Time and Ultraviolet will do their job sooner or later.
  8. +4
    14 August 2023 06: 54
    The purpose of praising your weapon, any type of weapon: 1) to suppress the will of the enemy, making him lose even before the battle; 2) advertising, making a profit (Leopard 2A6 rubbish, buy Abrams); 3) psychological warfare against the philistine of the enemy and increasing one's self-conceit.
  9. 0
    14 August 2023 07: 13
    Real heroes (Rafal) don't wear capes...
  10. +11
    14 August 2023 07: 20
    It is a mistake to assume that the F-22A is bad, outdated.
    Everything that was said in the article about the F-22A will also apply to the Su-57. Our Su-57, which still flies with the AL-41 and has no coverage at all, to put it mildly, is not the equivalent of the F-22A.
    1. +1
      14 August 2023 08: 46
      Quote: FRoman1984
      Our Su-57, which still flies with AL-41

      What is not happy?

      Quote: FRoman1984
      and has no coverage at all

      Yah?
    2. KCA
      -2
      14 August 2023 09: 06
      Why is AL-41 bad? There is cruising supersonic. Does the SU-57 have radar absorbing coverage? Yes, it was even shown on TV, but you suddenly don’t have it
  11. +2
    14 August 2023 08: 26
    Article plus good You will read. I would like to sum up. A whole halo of legends and fairy tales revolves around the weapon. It is clear that all their weapons are praised. They invent lies. And how it comes to business. That often turns out to be an exaggeration to say the least. There and those guys from the American magazine came up with a beautiful article and away we go .... laughing Do we have such legends? Yes, as much as you want. And then people get nervous. The expectation is not right. And where did ours spend .. So to speak.
  12. +1
    14 August 2023 09: 22
    Good afternoon! hi

    I want to offer Roman this: as ROSS 42 said, everything is learned in comparison. And therefore, could you, dear Roman, write about our technique, which has been successfully used and is being used in the NWO?

    Sincerely, your Artyom. hi
  13. 0
    14 August 2023 09: 28
    not very nice for an airplane (rockets welcome)
    Not very pleasant for an airplane, but rockets welcome ... smile
  14. +2
    14 August 2023 09: 38
    . If you look at the manufacturer's website, it is indicated in English letters that the engine of the rocket is similar to the AIM-120C-5/6 engine, and the C-7 version is launched by the same engine. And the flight range there is in the region of 120-130 km. Where did 180 km come from - the question.

    Isn't it possible to increase the amount of fuel and, accordingly, the range of the rocket?
    1. +3
      14 August 2023 13: 47
      An increase in fuel leads to an increase in the dimensions and mass of the rocket (or it is necessary to reduce the warhead). But chemistry does not stand still, and the old fuel is replaced with a new, more energy-intensive one.
    2. -2
      14 August 2023 18: 09
      The solid propellant engine is a design that includes a body, nozzle, solid fuel, and a control system. A different fuel or a different quantity - it turns out a different body, a control system, in total - a different engine.
  15. +3
    14 August 2023 10: 07
    In the history of weapons, there have already been many examples of when one or another piece of equipment was passed off as a "Wunderwaffe" ... And the F-22 Raptor is another example of this. Well, there is no such "Miracle weapon"! Practice is the best criterion of truth And there are very few examples of real combat use of the F-22 Raptor.
    You can try to organize exercises during which F-22 Raptor pilots can be given a number of UBZ: Conditionally detect and shoot down one or more SU-35s and SU-57; hit one or more S-300 (latest modifications) and S-400 systems - and now, based on the results of these exercises, already draw conclusions about the real combat qualities of the F-22 Raptor ...
    And the brochures of the F22 Raptor manufacturer, as well as the articles refuting them, are nothing more than food for thought ...
    The Russian-Ukrainian war (for example!) has already dispelled many myths about this or that "wonder weapon".
  16. +2
    14 August 2023 10: 22
    a specialist in armored steel, and in small arms of the world, and in the navy, and in aviation ...
    The General Staff is probably waiting for advice in planning, the SVR are crying if "there is no time." That's interesting - what about the treatment of oncology? perhaps a glance heals? maybe in Herzen for half a hour?
  17. +8
    14 August 2023 10: 32
    Something the article is straight hat-tipping, but obviously Comrade Skomorokhov himself sat at the helm of this aircraft and read all the secret technical documentation for it.
  18. +5
    14 August 2023 10: 35
    IMHO, the author hangs noodles a little.
    He himself invents windmills, he himself fights with them.

    If we summarize the previous materials, then the F22 will see conventional fighters from 200-400 km (from different authors). And the usual one will see him from 40-100.
    Moreover, tactics have long been described when, for F22, opponents are illuminated by some other aircraft flying behind.
    There is cruising supersonic. Passed several upgrades, which allows you to shoot back on the ground.

    The only known strong negative described is the price. Expensive supersonic stealth coating and maintenance. Overdone in production...
    1. -6
      14 August 2023 11: 55
      Quote: Max1995
      If we summarize the previous materials, then the F22 will see conventional fighters from 200-400 km (from different authors). And the usual will see him from 40-100

      by different authors? what in the sense that you were outraged by the fact that the author is lying, not that everyone is lying? there is no actual data, which means you can write with a clear conscience that the F-22 is visible on the radar only from 40 km, and that it is perfectly visible from 400 km. both are speculations. the only difference is that a bike about 40 km contradicts the laws of physics, while visibility from 400 km is confirmed by the presence of turbulence in the aircraft, which is also visible on the radar and cannot be covered with some kind of super duper coatings. wink
      1. +8
        14 August 2023 14: 08
        So, you're ascribing something to me.
        1) yes, different authors give different distances.
        2) not outraged.
        3) from 400 km to see the turbulence of the aircraft?
        Before that, the authors did not think of it, did not meet.
        But in the film about agent 007, I remember it was. But it's not about the movie.
    2. +5
      14 August 2023 14: 04
      IMHO, the author hangs noodles a little.

      A little? A little??? it hung a little noodles when it took on the pseudonym buffoon.
      but one has only to criticize this wunderwaffe writer, then angry minuses immediately fly. Well, people cannot become a super-specialist in all areas.
  19. +15
    14 August 2023 10: 54
    Dear author, please explain what you mean: 1. "For the sake of high afterburner thrust, it was necessary to cut the bypass ratio in order to reduce the inductive resistance". For a specialist, it sounds like this: "the influence of the northern lights in the vicinity of Monchegorsk on the sex life of a grasshopper in the Kuala Lumpur region";
    2. "It so happened that the F-22А engines are the most effective in terms of supersonic without afterburner at altitudes of 10-12 km. At other altitudes, they are very so-so and with a creak. the last century, so it's a breakthrough, whatever one may say" - what is it about?
    3. "The aerodynamics of the F-22A is something in general. If you look carefully and with a magnifying glass at the plane, it is close to the F-14 or our MiG-23 in this regard. The integral aerodynamic layout, due to the requirements of stealth, the wing was made flat, and the fuselage is also assembled from the most flat surfaces. There are no sags, the forms are generally simplified as much as possible" - where did you get this nonsense from?
    4. "But this bears fruit precisely at supersonic speeds, where the Raptor is really quite good. But this cannot be said about subsonic speeds. The F-22A's subsonic maneuverability is sad and, at best, can be compared with 4th generation fighters. Therefore, lead talking about some kind of super-maneuverability in general is simply not worth it: the F-22A is good at a speed of 1-1,2M, but absolutely nothing where super-maneuverable Russian aircraft perform miracles of aerobatics "- and what are you trying to say?
    My opinion: the article is not just disgusting in terms of content and writing style. But it is also frankly harmful, because the author in it is trying to present the US military-industrial complex as a kind of gathering of intellectual degenerates. It's not, or rather it's not at all. The enemy is strong, he does not spare money for science (unlike us), and he is not particularly led to various nonsense. For example, the F-16 was already in the series, and I just saw the experienced MiG-29 on the stocks at the factory near the metro station. Dynamo (1982). The F-15 was already flying with might and main, and I saw the Su-27 (T-10) from the first four at the plant. Y. Gagarin in 1979. And then he treated his childhood illnesses in 1985 (a flight time of 4 hours with minutes for failure in the air) ... The engine is created for a very, very long time. This can take up to 20 years. The engines of the TP331 family were created in the 50s, but they still fly and no one is going to abandon them. But we could not create such an engine ... But we created a good RD1700 engine, threw it in the trash. Now we are rushing around with our tongues hanging out: there are no engines. And KB was killed. At all! Such here we are smart, advanced and "supermaneuverable". There is nothing to say about the rest. Propaganda is one thing, reality is another.
    1. +6
      14 August 2023 13: 03
      Like it or not, you are right all around, it seems that Comrade Ryabov bit the author, and the RD-1700 is really a pity. hi
    2. +8
      14 August 2023 13: 20
      The whole article, a discussion by a journalist journalists. Myths are refuted by other myths. The F-22 was built for the USAF, for their concept of using fighters, with their conditions. Any discussion of technology in isolation from the concept and tactics of application is meaningless. Especially about the secret performance characteristics of which we know almost nothing.
    3. +2
      14 August 2023 14: 15
      why are you asking the writer questions with words whose meaning it does not understand!
  20. +4
    14 August 2023 12: 12
    At the same time, it should be noted that the US Air Force made simply titanic efforts so that the F-22A did not fly where it could be “felt” behind the belly by different radars.

    So he flies in Syria (with reflectors or not is the second question)! Is it called a place where there are no enemy radars? Also, his main base in Alaska on the border with Russia and Not far from China. SIMPLY TITANIC EFFORTS !!! Where is he then to fly? Over Moscow and Beijing? laughing
  21. -1
    14 August 2023 12: 18
    The best confirmation of the effectiveness of weapons (any) ship, aircraft, tank - participation in military operations. In what real battles did the F-22 take part? In any, everything else is "from the evil one."
  22. -1
    14 August 2023 13: 05
    Quote: Petrov-Alexander_1Sergeevich
    The author wants to demonstrate how he will stop a hail of 20mm bullets with willpower? Or does he really think that 20mm will do less damage to our aircraft than 12.7mm did during Vietnam? Or do we have armored planes?


    It probably means that you won’t shoot at other planes with it. Well, if only for transport or AWACS. The rest will not let you into the effective distance of defeat.
    There are different helicopters and drones ...
    1. +1
      14 August 2023 15: 48
      The plane is not a tank, it cannot hide behind the house and shoot back without letting anyone near it. 30mm is really more powerful than 20mi, but it's not just about power, it's about the ballistic performance characteristics of the gun and the length of the barrel in relation to the caliber. With an equal barrel length, the performance characteristics of 20mm will for the most part be better. Theoretically, the lethal force of 30mm is noticeably better, but it’s easier to hit from 20mm
      1. 0
        14 August 2023 16: 12
        Theoretically, the lethal force of 30mm is noticeably better, but it’s easier to hit from 20mm

        this is why suddenly a 30 mm projectile has theoretical power? Has physics been canceled yet?
        and why is it "easier" to hit with a 20 mm projectile? spread out the comparative ballistics of 30mm and 20mm. you spit this time or am I mistaken?
        1. +1
          14 August 2023 17: 09
          Theoretically, in the sense that if you don’t hit, then it doesn’t matter what power of ammunition you have.

          spread out the comparative ballistics of 30mm and 20mm.

          I think you can not go far and show the difference within the same caliber

          23 mm BZT, USSR vs BPTS (FAPDS-T), Switzerland
          Weight
          cartridge, g 450 vs 430
          Weight
          projectile, g 190 vs 150
          Initial
          speed, m/s 970 vs 1180
          Armor penetration
          mm/deg/m 15/60/700 vs 23/60/1000(14/ 60 /2000)

          As you can clearly see, the lighter the bullet / projectile, the faster it flies and has more penetrating power.
          1. -1
            15 August 2023 13: 15
            As you can clearly see, the lighter the bullet / projectile, the faster it flies and has more penetrating power.

            a novel by skoromokhov, aren't you? wassat
            1. -1
              16 August 2023 02: 27
              Suddenly, this is basic knowledge that does not require any special education or particularly high intelligence.
              1. -3
                16 August 2023 12: 52
                Suddenly, this is basic knowledge that does not require any special education or particularly high intelligence.

                well, that's why there are pearls about the "theoretical superiority of the lethal force of the projectile"
                1. 0
                  17 August 2023 18: 41
                  Do you have any objections to these figures? Or do you just not like my style?
  23. +2
    14 August 2023 13: 14
    In general, such a hefty crap like the Raptor simply cannot physically “glow” like an object the size of a tile in your bathroom.

    Actually Roman.
    Google "general EPR equation".
    Skip any particular solutions like a sphere and a corner reflector.
    And you will see in the formula in the fraction the integral over the surface of the current.
    This means that it is possible to create an ACTIVE coating that does not reflect radio waves of any length.
    Well, of course, there is nothing of the kind in the F-22. But theoretically, such invisible crap can be created - it does not contradict the laws of physics.
    1. +1
      14 August 2023 14: 18
      This means that it is possible to create an ACTIVE coating that does not reflect radio waves of any length.

      absorbing coating in the entire range of radio emission???? Tell me more, please!
      1. +1
        16 August 2023 12: 51
        Tell me more, please!

        Well, look at the formula, everything is clear.
      2. +2
        17 August 2023 11: 36
        Tell me more, please!

        Looked? Got it?
        Prompt.
        Google "why do metals reflect radio waves"
  24. +11
    14 August 2023 13: 30
    I have already once aptly defined the "creativity" of Roman Skomorokhov, for which I received a warning from the moderators. This article is a continuation of the illiterate capping of enemy equipment. The author does not understand either the technical details of the subject of his "expertise", much less the specifics of the tactics of application.
    There have been a lot of questions lately to the editorial board, which skips such "children's analytics"
    In the past, people wrote more interestingly and competently.
    I recommend this article on the subject of F-22
    https://topwar.ru/33122-f-22-otvety-na-voprosy.html
    As the saying goes, feel the difference...
    1. +2
      14 August 2023 14: 20
      I have already once aptly defined the "creativity" of Roman Skomorokhov, for which I received a warning from the moderators.

      "creation"? and how long ago did you decide to call pseudoscientific near-military graphomania "creativity"? laughing
      1. +2
        14 August 2023 14: 26
        "creation"? and how long ago did you decide to call pseudoscientific near-military graphomania "creativity"?

        Therefore, he took the word creativity in quotation marks.
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  25. +2
    14 August 2023 13: 52
    This does not shine for us, especially in hundreds of copies.

    But we have a moment31 he is so alone
  26. +3
    14 August 2023 14: 00
    Any object has drawbacks, not only an airplane, but the fact that some country has achieved such characteristics inspires respect in me. It’s better than sending a T-62 into battle in the 21st century.
    1. -1
      14 August 2023 14: 21
      which is better then? compared the tank and the plane?
  27. 0
    14 August 2023 15: 57
    The radar has three types of operation - passive, where the signal transmitted from the radar is received reflected., SPC mode, i.e. selection of moving targets, where moving targets are visible on the screen, with the suppression of stationary targets and Active mode, where the radar requests an airborne transponder, which issues a signal packet . For ground-based radars, the pass mode is relevant for far-field radars. The sps mode is mainly close-range operation for low-flying targets. Act mode for air traffic control. On the RSP 10, RSP6 there are dual-band radars of the meter and centimeter ranges and other ogs do not interfere.
  28. +1
    14 August 2023 16: 00
    The EPR of the F-22 is 0,0001 sq. m for all distances, angles and wavelengths.
    It will become more clear - 1 square centimeter!
    If we put aside the concept of radar Effective scattering surface and accept public household optics, it turns out that an aircraft with a cross section of at least several square meters from any angle can be turned into a barely distinguishable dot of 1 sq cm, that is, into a medium-sized fly. And given that the attenuation in the atmosphere of electromagnetic waves in the visible range is much stronger than centimeter and decimeter waves of radar, then we should not have seen the F-22 even from 3-5 meters.

    I do not believe!
    1. +2
      14 August 2023 16: 17
      still yes. EPR cannot be equal from all angles, because the cross-sectional area is different at all angles. and if it turns on the onboard radar, then it shines like a Christmas tree on the screens of the air defense system
      1. 0
        15 August 2023 09: 16
        Why did it happen? The radar does not shine in all directions at the same time, and AFAR also has a low level of side lobes.
    2. 0
      15 August 2023 09: 15
      If we put aside the concept of radar Effective scattering surface and accept publicly available household optics

      then camouflage was not just invented, namely for the purpose of stealth.
  29. 0
    14 August 2023 17: 49
    Once, at the dawn of the glory of the F-22 stealth aircraft, I accidentally got on a program where various "ufologists" and other specialists, including a military man (like a colonel), discussed the topic of a UFO seen not far from our borders. During the discussion, the air defense officer is asked the question: could the UFO seen be an American stealth aircraft? To which he, without hesitation, replied that the F-22 on our radars looks completely different ... The first thought was: what a ridiculous career decline for an officer. ))))
  30. -1
    14 August 2023 21: 29
    Just because the F-22A is all, went into circulation, landed completely, retired and so
    ........
    He passes right away
    In the back of an old wagon.
    Where the old days are pre-infarction
    Where places have one price:
    All reserved seats.
    (C)
    :)
  31. 0
    14 August 2023 21: 55
    Awesome research you got there, Roman.
  32. -1
    15 August 2023 05: 56
    The aircraft has been discontinued. For a long time. There is no factory. Spare parts from a warehouse.
  33. 0
    15 August 2023 10: 22
    Whoever has a keyboard and an easy chair in Miami is both a hero and an expert. You can add, strengthen - it's a pity or something, they won't bite
  34. +1
    15 August 2023 13: 53
    Goida turns out. But they have a lot of these planes. F-35s are generally produced more than a hundred a year. Of course, you can carry turbo-patriotic nonsense, that there are problems with ejection seats and some other garbage, but half the world is being rearmed with them. New aircraft with advanced avionics and high-precision weapons. It's not for you to peel with nurses
    1. -1
      16 August 2023 08: 36
      And what about the patriotic nonsense? Is your bullshit better? Well, they riveted several hundred F35s, so what? Now all this needs to be serviced, hidden from the enemy, so that the parameters do not light up, all this is money, and most importantly, the plane is unnecessary. Russia makes its basis on air defense, within which we can prohibit the flight of any aircraft. Didn't war teach you anything?
      Russia may face the F35 in a war in which the aircraft will not solve any problems, only nuclear weapons. Why spend a lot of money on the construction of Su57, if mainly Su35 and 34 are working? A few dozen Su57s, maybe a hundred, are enough to perform special tasks.
      Well, you continue to hysteria, everything is gone, the client leaves, the plaster is removed.
      1. 0
        16 August 2023 13: 55
        Turbo Patriot Number 2. They make over a hundred a year, you know? Not in 20, not in 30 years, but in a year. Any aircraft must be serviced. Nobody hides them. Of course not needed, this is not a charitable Su-35 or Su-34. Airplanes are not only invented for their own needs. They are also being sold for billions of dalars, just imagine. When the super-duper Su-75 is born in our country, it will no longer rest against anyone. We have a non-figuring emphasis on air defense, when an 11-meter missile of the S-200 complex arrives unnoticed. chill out Vasya
  35. 0
    15 August 2023 23: 59
    A few inaccuracies
    .... that the maximum range is usually indicated for relatively slow non-maneuverable targets.

    For non-maneuverable yes, but relatively slow - no. The maximum range is calculated in terms of approaching the maximum speeds of the carrier and target.

    Now to capture the target-
    shooting "point-blank" at aviation measurements (10-20 km), when the missile seeker can capture the target even on the pylon ....
    On a pylon, modern missiles have not captured a target for 50 years, at least with CGS. Only after leaving. To do this, a mathematical model of the target is formed in the rocket computer based on the initial information from the carrier.

    And another wonderful pearl-
    ...
    An active radar seeker is a very good thing, and different from a missile with a passive missile launcher. What really does not require guidance from an aircraft on the final segment of the trajectory, the rocket must cope by itself ....

    The author confused and wrote passive instead of semi-active, it happens.
  36. 0
    16 August 2023 01: 22
    And why, then, is a simple S-200 missile shot down not over the sea, but over the roofs of the city of Tagonrog?
  37. +2
    16 August 2023 02: 10
    Quote: Vasya Vasiliev_3
    And why, then, is a simple S-200 missile shot down not over the sea, but over the roofs of the city of Tagonrog?

    1. Do you know how it was shot down, and was it shot down at all?
    2 Do you know how the Taganrog air defense system works?
    3. How could she be shot down over the sea if she was flying from land?
    4. Who said that the S-200 missile is an easy target?
  38. +1
    16 August 2023 08: 04
    My opinion, an old pilot, is that the Su-35M should appear with the introduction of stealth technology, as the Chinese did from our Su-27, when copying, they upgraded taking into account time and technology and things will go well, but in the USA today only the Fu-15 is real an aircraft that is already 50 years old, and the Fu-22 will be written off in 5 years am
  39. -2
    16 August 2023 08: 21
    Therefore, they are changing it, that they understood that the F22 is an unsuccessful experiment, and terribly expensive. But Hollywood is dragging with it. In reality, no one knows what neither the F22 nor the F35 will show on the battlefield, the war will be fought by the F15 of all modifications, and here they are our headache.
    1. 0
      16 August 2023 13: 27
      F-15C is a thing of the past (only in Kaden, and she began to take it). In reserve - yes, it flies, but it is unlikely that it will fight. The F-15E was never used as a fighter. So yes, the F-22 will deal with everything. 5 combat-ready squadrons are not so small, Tyndall does not think so.
  40. 0
    16 August 2023 12: 21
    And what happened to the Su-35? Late in the series went? But it turned out that in which case, he would fight against the F-22A, and not the Su-57. (we will not mention the Su-75)
  41. +3
    16 August 2023 14: 24
    The article contains a number of errors. Stupid, offensive and easy-to-check mistakes. It seems that they were allowed on purpose, so that later critics would smash the article and, after it, begin to deny the conclusions that spoke about the weaknesses of the F-22.
    Well, now about the errors themselves.

    1. "The Su-35 is generally not easy, the plane was very unlucky and for some reason it was appointed in the world to be the main rival of the F-22A and began to disperse this topic"
    Mistake.
    90% of the relevant videos on YouTube compare the Su-35 and F-35. This is enough to reject the loud and ... bold thesis that de "the whole world has appointed." The author does not demonstrate the ability to separate fact from his fiction.

    2. "The F-22A is all gone, landed completely, retired, and so on. Call it what you want, it's not a fighter, whatever one may say. Yes, about a hundred aircraft will be stored "just in case"" .
    WHERE did the author get such, uh ... outrageous information? According to official data, there is a program for its gradual modernization until at least 2031 (in the English version of the wiki, this is also, unlike the Russian version)

    3. "In general, EPR is a newly invented quantitative measure of stealth."

    - WHAT??? If the Author recently discovered a textbook on radiophysics, this does not mean that radiophysics has just emerged! Or for the Author "newly invented" is everything after typography? In fact, the concept of EPR was invented as soon as it was required. That is, as soon as radars began to be developed, the ability of which to detect targets had to be quantified.

    4. "It is really measured in square meters, the standard is a metal sheet with an area of ​​1 sq.m. Naturally, no one is going to lift it into the air, everything is done by calculation."
    And again - a finger to the sky! RCS is measured experimentally in so-called "anechoic chambers". There you can set the angle and the exposure you need to set the work of the emitter and much more.

    5. "The EPR of the F-22 is 0,0001 sq. m ... as an object the size of a tile."
    The author - a complete impression - does not even know how to count: usually a tile is a square with a side of ~ 15cm. But even if we assume that this is a small tile with a side of 10 cm, its area, respectively, will be 0,01 sq.m. but not 0,0001 sq.m.
    In general, the episode with the analysis of the myth about the EPR of the Raptor is the first moment for which I would like to thank the Author, but if only there were so many mistakes along the way ... It remains only to remind the reader that, other things being equal, the detection range is related to the EPR value as a root fourth degree. That is, in order to reduce the detection range by 2 times, the EPR must be reduced by 2 ^ 4 \u16d XNUMX times.
    And - yes: Pogosyan and comrades really gave their assessment of the RCS of the F-22 as 0,3-0,4 sq.m., but on the one hand they cited the same value for the Su-57 but then claimed that the RCS of our aircraft was about 2 (or 2-3 I don’t remember exactly) times higher, and the lowest estimate of the F-22 RCS given by our specialists was 0,1 sq.m.

    6. Regarding the modularity and versatility of AFAR. Thanks to the Author - I have not seen such nonsense. The division of AFAR into functional groups is currently being carried out as part of the implementation of ONE task. For example - to accompany several targets at once without throwing a scanning beam. What I know about the radar's ability to interfere just says that either the entire radiating surface or most of it is required there. Okay - let's agree that I simply have not been to those information dumps from which the Author dragged another myth he refuted.

    7. The part about exposing the super-maneuverability of the F-22 ... it's easier to read a series of articles by Pavel Bulat "On Comparing Fourth and Fifth Generation Fighters" from which - a complete impression - a number of good sound formulations and conclusions are taken.
    That's all for now.
  42. +1
    16 August 2023 20: 36
    Author. Thanks for the info. But where do you get this "multi-tasking"? In Russian, there are concepts of multi-purpose, multi-functional. No need to litter our concepts with foreign incorrect garbage.
    1. 0
      26 August 2023 00: 32
      Multitasking is more like doing multiple tasks at the same time.
  43. -2
    21 August 2023 21: 17
    The F-22 and F-35 actually turned out to be an American myth and crap that American pilots themselves are afraid of! As the flyers themselves stated, these coffins cannot even compete with the SU-35, but this turned out to be a fact.
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  45. 0
    30 November 2023 08: 07
    The truth always hides behind a pretty picture. Therefore, the picture should always be beautiful. Here are burning leopards - not beautiful. And to avoid such pictures, super planes and tanks should not appear on the battlefield...