America's next stealth fighter will rule the skies

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America's next stealth fighter will rule the skies

Truly, there is something so calming and life-affirming at the same time, how to look at flowing water, a burning fire, and how the US is working on another superplane. And here, indeed, the Americans can be envied in terms of purposefulness and self-confidence. The next plane will rule the sky! And who he will follow is not so important, what matters here is that the goals and objectives of the path are observed.

We agree that the American designers have come a long way. Lockheed F-117 "Nighthawk", Northrop B-2 "Spirit", F-22 "Raptor" - all of this flew to one degree or another and even fought with a certain degree of success.



But six years ago, in 2017, the thirty-year monopoly on stealth aircraft ended. The Chinese adopted the Chengdu J-20 "Mighty Dragon" and the US advantage began to melt away.


"Mighty Dragon" is similar to the F-22 "Raptor", there is such a similarity. Americans still (not very reasonably) consider the F-22 the best fighter in the world, but this is a matter of personal taste, which simply makes no sense to dispute. More importantly, the production of the F-22 was stopped in 2011 after only 186 aircraft were produced. Today, less than 120 units are combat-ready. And with each passing day, the US F-22 fleet is approaching retirement, while China's J-20 fleet continues to grow.

Naturally, in order to keep up, work began on the next generation of aircraft in the United States.

Here, of course, it is worth asking the question, but due to what the new American fighter will “tear everyone”, as it is customary to say in our country. There did not seem to be any breakthroughs in armaments, the engines are also at about the same level.

American experts believe that the success of future developments in new aerodynamic models, the widespread use of artificial intelligence in both aircraft control and flight weapons, high-speed data processing for all surveillance systems and unmanned support vehicles that can operate in conjunction with the aircraft - this is the key to the future success of the American aviation.

In general, everything looks harmonious and logical.

Back in 2013, information was leaked that the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency began to work out some kind of "air dominance initiative."

Little more is known about the program today. Analysts believe the new aircraft, known as the Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) program, will have powerful new engines, fly with drones, and have advanced sensors and radars that use machine learning and artificial intelligence to target enemy aircraft.

It's hard to tell how stealthy the new NGAD aircraft will be. The F-22 is already quite good with stealth, although we still honestly admit that it is still very far from the declared “almost not detected on enemy radars in most conditions”. But aircraft manufacturers continue to work in the field of stealth with several technologies. Here are surfaces with reflection and subsequent superposition of radar waves, and materials that can absorb up to 80 percent of radar waves. Stealth aircraft engines are designed to make less noise and give off a smaller heat signature, and their airborne radar and communications equipment emit electromagnetic frequencies that are harder to detect.

Stealth fighters can attack ground troops, perform reconnaissance missions, carry out covert reconnaissance operations, and even jam enemy radars. Their ability to perform these functions in enemy airspace with relative impunity makes them vital to any modern air force.

And here it is not at all surprising that the whole world is not going to stand still and wait. Work is underway not only in the United States and China, but also in Russia, Japan, and South Korea. Today, nine programs have been opened in the world to create a new generation of fighters, including NGAD. And at least some of these developments are developing capabilities that allow them to be characterized as a completely new generation - the sixth generation of fighters. When the time comes to crown a new dogfighting champion in the 21st century, the honor will almost certainly fall on one of the following programs.

Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. USA.


It is clear that the Raptor is on the list as the most (according to the Americans) stealth aircraft in the world today. But this is really the beginning of the journey, and by the time it comes time to seriously evaluate everything that will be invented in the world, the Raptor will safely take its place in stories world aviation.

The F-22 has one of the smallest RCS of any fighter aircraft, reportedly 0,0001 square meters. This, of course, is a myth, which, by the way, we will analyze, among others, in one of the next articles. In general, this figure for the Raptor is somewhere around 0,3-0,4, maybe less, but it will depend on several parameters.

In general, so much has been circled around the Raptor that the mind goes beyond reason, but everything is logical here: the plane turned out to be by no means the best in the world, and the fact that it is gradually being decommissioned speaks for itself best. That is why our Su-30 is not removed, despite the appearance of the Su-35? And the Raptor retired. The casket just opens with pliers.

Introduced in 2005 as the world's first fifth-generation fighter, the F-22 "Raptor" is slated to retire sometime in the 2030s. As the oldest aircraft on this list, it lacks the modern systems that its competitors have. But the $10,9 billion upgrade program will add stealthy external fuel tanks to increase its range, give it the ability to communicate with AI-enabled drones, and add infrared search and track (IRST) capabilities that allow it to target enemy fighters by their thermal signatures. This, the Air Force hopes, will keep the F-22's status as the world's most powerful fighter until it takes off into the sunset sometime in the next decade.

In general, everyone has long understood why the Raptor is such a cool plane: there simply can’t be a bad car into which so much money has been poured! Irony, of course.

Lockheed Martin F-35 "Lightning II". USA.


A distinctive feature is the most powerful computer system in the aircraft.

The F-35 is one of the most technologically advanced fighters ever to take to the skies. Its data processing capabilities, derived from numerous sensors on the aircraft, provide remarkable situational awareness. This system, according to the guys from Lockheed Martin, reduces the workload on pilots and allows pilots to have a tactical advantage in combat with any aircraft.

The powerful AN/APG-81 radar with F-35 AFAR can jam enemy radars while simultaneously identifying and targeting opponents (actually, it's more complicated). However, the AN/AAQ-37 Distributed Aperture Electro-Optical System (EODAS), which relies on omnidirectional infrared sensors located around the aircraft and which connects to the fighter's targeting system, allowing F-35 pilots to engage enemy fighters flying behind them, is a really good implementation. .

Electronically, the F-35 is really good, but it definitely lacks the sheer power of some of the other planes on this list. Of course, the Americans are hoping for a series of $15 billion upgrades that will ensure it remains one of the most powerful fighters in the skies for decades to come.

Familiar. To build just a wonderful plane, the best in the world, and then kill a few more billions to make it really the best.

Sukhoi Su-57. Russia


Distinguishing feature: unsurpassed maneuverability

The Americans believe that the Su-57 is first and foremost a very powerful aerobatic aircraft that poses a significant threat to any fourth-generation fighter it encounters, or any fifth-generation fighter it manages to get close to.

This is a fighter with an EPR larger than some stealth aircraft, from 0,1 to 1 sq.m. Despite this, the Su-57 is a difficult aircraft to attack with its 70 pounds of thrust and electronically scanned active radar. The Fighter also has an IRST capability that allows it to identify and target invisible enemies that don't show up on radar.

It is the only fifth generation fighter with 3D thrust vector control. Unlike the F-22 and some J-20s, which orient the thrust up and down, the Su-57 can orient the thrust in any direction. Therefore, the Su-57 can perform air maneuvers that other aircraft have not dreamed of.

The only thing that spoils the overall picture of this outstanding aerial hunter is the extremely slow release rate.

Chengdu J-20 "Mighty Dragon". China


Distinctive Feature: Hundreds in production

The unique silhouette of the "Mighty Dragon" cannot be confused with any aircraft in the world. And this despite the fact that there were fierce accusations from the United States that Chinese intelligence had stolen both the design plans for the F-22, and the technical documentation for the MiG 1.44, and in general, they stole everything.

Given the pace at which the first 150 aircraft were produced, indeed, the production of modern fighters at such a pace would scare anyone.

The plane is interesting, first of all, for its misunderstandings with engines. The first copies were Russian AL-31FN. Articles were published in the media, according to which more advanced AL-20F-M31 engines were mounted on the J-2, but the information was not clearly confirmed.

Production aircraft are still equipped with the WS-10C engine, but a completely new engine with thrust vector control and a sawtooth nozzle to reduce visibility, the WS-15, is on the way.

But even without the WS-15 power plant, the Dragon poses a serious threat to most aircraft thanks to its 1475 type AFAR radar with 1856 transceiver modules. Plus, this aircraft has two side surveillance radars with AFAR. The most dangerous weapons are PL-15 air-to-air missiles with radar guidance. The missiles have their own airborne radar with AFAR for guidance after launch. In general, an ideal hunter, leaving no chance for such opponents as the F / A-18 "Super Hornet" and F-16 "Fighting Falcon".

Next generation air superiority fighter NGAD. USA.


Distinctive feature: flies with wingmen drones

The Next Generation Air Dominance fighter is a development work aimed at replacing the best in the world, but already completely outdated F-22 "Raptor". An NGAD may not necessarily resemble a traditional fighter. According to a 2022 report from the Congressional Research Service, the goal of the program is not just to create another fighter, but to develop a weapon capable of dominating the airspace. After the ROC is completed, the aircraft may look more like a B-21 stealth bomber than an F-22.

Based on renders released by Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin, which are competing to develop the new aircraft, it looks like the aircraft could offer a significant increase in stealth over fifth-generation fighters, thanks to a combination of improved design and new composite materials that should provide greater electromagnetic absorption. The Congressional Research Service report also indicates that the NGAD fighter will have longer sensor ranges and longer range weapons.

In addition, unmanned systems will fly alongside each new NGAD fighter. These AI-enabled drones, known as Joint Combat Aircraft or CCAs, will be used to attack enemy targets. One way to use CCAs is as carriers of remotely controlled containers with guidance systems, electronic warfare modules or weapons.

Boeing F/A-XX... USA


Distinctive feature: naval aircraft with a combat radius of more than 700 miles

The F/A-XX is a development aircraft designed to be launched from aircraft carriers. (The crosses indicate that the aircraft has yet to receive an official designation) The stealth fighter will share modular internal systems with the Air Force NGAD fighter and, like this aircraft, will fly together with drones, which can extend the range of the radar and carry additional ammunition. These fighters are planned to replace the existing F/A-18 Super Hornet fleet in the 2030s.

Details on this sixth-generation fighter are scarce, but the Navy is pushing for a significant increase in speed and range over today's Super Hornet and F-35C, both of which have a combat radius of less than 700 miles. The Navy also wants the new fighter to carry larger and longer-range weapons. This would allow American aircraft carriers to attack enemy coastline defenses while staying out of range of modern hypersonic anti-ship missiles, which have a range of over 1000 miles.

Shenyang FC-31 "Gyrfalcon". China


Distinctive feature: China's first carrier-based stealth fighter

China's Shenyang Aircraft Corporation unveiled the FC-31 prototype in 2014, and the aircraft bore a striking resemblance to the American F-35. As with the J-20, the US accused China of stealing intellectual property to build the FC-31. But unlike the F-35, which has only one engine, the FC-31 will carry two afterburner turbofan engines.

China is reportedly developing the FC-31 to serve as part of its aircraft carrier wings. China has released few details about the FC-31, but Chinese military aviation analyst Fu Qianshao said in an interview that its technical level is comparable to the US F-35C in terms of payload, combat radius, advanced avionics and excellent situational awareness capabilities. Fu also said that while the FC-31 is still a test aircraft, it will be tested aboard aircraft carriers later this year.

Wait a while.

BAE "Tempest". Great Britain


Distinctive feature: the most powerful radar ever placed in a fighter jet

Like the US NGAD and F/A-XX, the Tempes is a sixth-generation fighter that will replace the existing Eurofighter Typhoon by 2035. If it replaces.

In April, the UK Department of Defense gave BAE Systems $822 million to continue developing the Tempest, and the UK hopes to have a prototype up and running by 2027. The UK will work with Italy, Japan and Sweden to develop a new fighter.

According to BAE Systems, it will also fly alongside AI-enabled drones. Italian aerospace defense company Leonardo, which is developing a new radar for Tempest, claims the electronics can process as much data as the internet traffic of an entire average-sized city every second. The fighter will use a new generation electro-optical infrared system to aim weapons at the most secretive opponents.

Tempest designers strive to introduce many new technologies. One of the most intriguing is the virtual cockpit, which will project a digital display inside the pilot's helmet visor, helping him sort through the vast amounts of data coming from allied drones and fighter jets.
Here is a vision there, across the ocean.

What I would like to focus on is a very peculiar approach to assessments. The F-22 is the most-very-most, nothing can be better than it, only a new American aircraft. But the Raptor is already, in a sense, deeply retired due to the high cost of its existence and complete obsolescence.

In general, it is surprising how the Americans generally turn their tongues to call an obsolete and decommissioned aircraft the best in the world. There is absolutely no logic.

As for the successors, everything is more difficult with them, although the deadlines are more or less clearly marked. From seven years is not so much, but if you remember how much the same Raptor was brought to mind ...

And here I immediately really want to notice that Chinese planes are flying. And the "Criminal" Su-57, too, albeit in scanty quantities, is present in the sky.

Of course, when there are billions, there is always something to spend them on. The only question is how effective and meaningful.

Of course, sooner or later the American "wonder-litaks" will fly. There is no doubt about this, their entire industry is based on this. The only question is what will be in the skies of other countries at that time, and is it so easy for new American aircraft to become masters of the skies.

After all, it may well turn out, as with the Raptor. That is, in words and figures, the best in the world, but in reality ... But in reality, everything may turn out to be completely different from what was planned. And you know, this, perhaps, will even be fair, in my opinion.
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  1. +9
    12 August 2023 04: 10
    America's next stealth fighter will rule the skies

    Something tells me that drones will rule the sky in a few years...
    1. -2
      12 August 2023 09: 47
      -The next American stealth fighter will rule the skies.
      If it will be.
      1. -1
        14 August 2023 13: 40
        rather, if it survives after being hit by 40N6 missiles from S-400 or S-500 at a distance of 400 km
    2. +2
      12 August 2023 15: 04
      It seems that everything in Skomorokhov's articles is not bad, he writes competently and accessible. He wouldn’t have had a price (against the background of the others who publish here), if it weren’t for his disdainful, capricious presentation of the material.
      Because of this style, even the most reliable information begins to look like propaganda, and as a result, it loses the trust of any adequate reader.
      The novel regularly forgets that its main readers are adults with independent thinking, and not suggestible schoolchildren. And what works for schoolchildren (or not very smart people) causes rejection in a mature person.
      I would like to see more objectivity, prudence and impartiality in his publications.
      1. -3
        12 August 2023 17: 40
        I would like to see more objectivity, prudence and impartiality in his publications.
        That's right!
        1. 0
          30 August 2023 18: 29
          Correct words. The material must be presented in a professional manner.
      2. +1
        17 August 2023 20: 11
        It seems that everything in Skomorokhov's articles is not bad, he writes competently and accessible.

        This article clearly shows where the author himself sets out his own, and where is the translation of bourgeois self-promotion.
      3. 0
        20 August 2023 20: 14
        So offer an option for an “adequate”, correct presentation of the material ...
        Like, the Raptor is really the coolest, only eggs are cooler,
        Tempest will fly tomorrow, and the F-35 is an icon, not a chic business project, you need to pray for it! How he can fight is not the main thing. And can (sorry, I follow Skomorokhov, but it washes away laughing )
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  2. +7
    12 August 2023 04: 56
    There is such an engine - AI-222-25, it seems that Salyut makes it. Two of these are put on the Yak-130. But from one you can make a drone weighing up to 5-6 tons, which will only need a more or less decent radar and a good communication system. It is quite enough to carry away a pair of R-37M + a pair of R-73 (but of course it will be hard for him), or 2-4 R-77 + a pair of R-73. Such an aircraft will cost an order of magnitude more than a fighter, and if they are riveted in sufficient quantities, then no stealth for half a billion (it seems like this will cost so much) will not sneak, it will simply be crushed in mass at the airfield. This is not Kizilema, this is what I came up with myself!
  3. 0
    12 August 2023 04: 56
    After all, it may well turn out, as with the Raptor. That is, in words and figures the best in the world, but in reality ... But in reality, things may not turn out as planned.

    Exactly!!!
    In pursuit of a small RCS, some have forgotten about the most important thing - the armament of the aircraft. If the enemy aircraft has a good enough detection system and protection against missiles, then it will be difficult to take it.
    The development of the Su-57 is inspiring.
    Quote: Luminman
    Something tells me that drones will rule the sky in a few years...

    Something tells me that electronic warfare equipment will be improved and achieve the effect of EMP ... The very one that burns all electronics during the production of explosive nuclear weapons. By the way, no one denies that with the massive use of various drones, it will not be difficult to produce low-power explosives to neutralize them ... Although with some negative consequences ...
    * * *
    As for the "Lord of the Sky" - we are well acquainted with the "Lords of Star Wars", "Conquerors of the Moon" and ... "Lords of the Rings". Including the Olympic, where the IOC rules.
    1. -17
      12 August 2023 05: 25
      The development of the Su-57 is inspiring.

      And I thought everyone had already forgotten about him (by the way, without bringing him to the series, some dignitaries announced his modernization, a couple of years ago there was news - look for it!)
      P.s. conditional "Zhiguli" cannot (or do not want to), but they puff out their cheeks (I'm talking about our dignitaries)
      1. IVZ
        -1
        12 August 2023 05: 47
        And I thought everyone forgot about him
        The Su-57 currently has a lot of temporary, knee-mounted solutions due to the failure of import substitution. first of all, well, in general, it is almost a rule for our industry when the development of components lags behind the development of the project as a whole, or even fails at all. Therefore, the 57th, at this point in time, is a semi-finished product with a very high potential for development and improvement, while it already has very impressive characteristics.
        1. -10
          12 August 2023 05: 49
          already has some pretty impressive features.

          even with the old engine?
          1. +5
            12 August 2023 19: 47
            Quote: Vladimir80
            even with the old engine?

            Even with AL-41F-1S engines, whose traction characteristics are quite sufficient for very high performance characteristics. And the lack of a "second stage engine" is the least of the evils. I'm more interested in the refinement and serialization of its avionics. First of all, RLC "Belka", SLA, OLS, communications, encryption and electronic warfare. And if all this is already there and corresponds to the terms of reference, then on the existing engines it can quite fly and perform tasks.
            And the Lyulkovites seem to have swung too high, undertaking to create an engine in the weight and overall parameters of the AL-31F, but with an afterburner thrust of up to 19 kg.s. And even lowering the declared bar to 500 kg.s. did not help the matter. It has already been stated several times that the engine is "almost ready" and "just about" ... and then from the design bureau itself someone let it slip (in public) that they are close to reaching the resource parameter (drum roll) of 18 flight hours.
            For comparison, the resource of AL-41F-1S is 4 hours.
            it seems that with the "Product-30" the Lyulkovites swung at the impossible, resting on the laws of physics. Further increase the temperature on the turbine blades request it is forbidden .
            But recently I looked into the characteristics of the AI-20 from the old man An-12. So there, at a temperature on the blades (maximum) of 720 degrees, the resource is ... 40 flight hours !! At the same time, the engine was easily boosted (forced modification) up to 000 l / s (An-5, An-180, Be-8).
            So if the ultimate thrust is limited to 16 - 000 kg.s. , "Product-17" can and will show some acceptable resource. And you know, even 000 kg.s. this engine is enough for the Su-30 to sparkle with completely new colors. This will be enough.
            And I'm most worried about the avionics.
        2. 0
          12 August 2023 06: 13
          Nkt of the aircraft project and separately its components.
          This is the plane.
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        4. 0
          30 August 2023 18: 35
          Quote: IVZ
          Therefore, the 57th, at this point in time, is a semi-finished product with a very high potential for development and improvement, while it already has very impressive characteristics.

          I would like to hear what impressed you so much?!)
    2. +3
      12 August 2023 07: 13
      Quote: ROSS 42
      As for "Lord of the Sky"...

      The main problem is that against the background of the global degradation of the military-industrial complex (as well as the devastation of old arsenals), American aerospace corporations will receive more and more profit and influence. It is already clear that only two countries are capable of producing a 5th generation fighter: the USA and the Russian Federation (with regard to the PRC, everything is still very doubtful), and European cartoons about the 6th look like unscientific fiction. What does it mean? And this means that for the next decades only two aircraft will rule in the sky. But given the American economic influence in the world, export sales of its product will be many times greater than ours. A simple recent example: the Indonesian-French contract for Rafali. Rafal is lighter than our 35th, has no serious advantages and is at least three times more expensive, but very poor Indonesians chose not our plane ... Politics. Therefore, in conditions of low competition (or lack of it), sales are guaranteed for American aircraft, which means profit. The F35 has been scolded so much, but it is confidently spreading around the world. And there are two reasons: economic and political pressure and lack of competition.
      1. -8
        12 August 2023 07: 59
        The reason for the Rafal is simple - it is the next generation aircraft, in relation to the Su-27 family.
        And naturally superior to it, at the moment, it is a competitor to the F-22, F-35, the small Su-57, and not the Su-35 at all.
        1. +4
          12 August 2023 11: 16
          Do not write ridiculous nonsense, Rafael is a 4th generation aircraft, albeit with pretty good performance characteristics, he is up to the 5th generation, like walking to the moon.
          1. -3
            12 August 2023 18: 52
            Quote: sgrabik
            Rafaэeh

            What kind of animal is this?

            Quote: sgrabik
            Do not write ridiculous nonsense, Rafael is a 4th generation aircraft, albeit with pretty good performance characteristics, he is up to the 5th generation, like walking to the moon.

            4th and 5th generation are journalistic jargon.
            And the fact that he has all the features of a modern aircraft is undeniable.
            But amateurs with VO are unaware).
            1. -1
              13 August 2023 15: 56
              Firstly, Rafael is, of course, a typo, any adequate person would immediately understand this and would not pay attention to it.
              And secondly - I see you directly "special." in military aviation, push this nonsense to amateurs, but it is extremely absurd to think that everyone around is dumber than you.
              1. +1
                14 August 2023 03: 19
                Do you have something to say in fact?
                Or will there be excuses? Yes
      2. -1
        12 August 2023 13: 08
        "The United States and the Russian Federation (regarding the PRC - everything is still very doubtful)"
        You have a mistake, the Russian Federation and the PRC are confused.
        1. +1
          12 August 2023 15: 18
          "Raptors" are very few - only 120 pieces. F 35 several hundred J 20
          many dozens of pieces, and SU 57 are not serial at all, but only the USA, the Russian Federation have 5th generation aircraft? and the PRC. What an interesting way of thinking the Author has, isn't it?
        2. +1
          12 August 2023 17: 14
          Quote from AdAstra
          "The United States and the Russian Federation (regarding the PRC - everything is still very doubtful)"
          You have a mistake, the Russian Federation and the PRC are confused.

          No mistake.
          Here's what the Chinese themselves said about their brainchild a couple of years ago
          material:

          This factor is the lack of engines at the moment that can give the J-20 fighter super-maneuverability. Fighter jets are operated with Russian engines, there are few variants of the latest engines created in China for the new batch of J-20. But while these engines with a controlled thrust vector are being tested and until they go into series, the J-20 fighter cannot be fully attributed to the 5th generation.
      3. 0
        16 August 2023 22: 23
        F-35s are received only by NATO allies and satellites, and they also participate in production, there is no political pressure outside of NATO at all, they only put pressure on their allies to crush internal competition. The price tag and technology limit mass sales to everyone. Without all his advanced technologies, he would not give up to anyone even if he were available to everyone and became cheaper.
    3. KCA
      +2
      12 August 2023 07: 15
      There are also explosive EMP generators, without any nuclear explosion
    4. 0
      12 August 2023 07: 42
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Something tells me that electronic warfare equipment will be improved and achieve the effect of EMP ... The very one that burns all electronics during the production of explosive nuclear weapons. By the way, no one denies that with the massive use of various drones, it will not be difficult to produce low-power explosives to neutralize them ... Although with some negative consequences ...

      In manned aircraft, there is also quite enough electronics, and if it is burned, then the pilot will not be able to do anything.
    5. +5
      12 August 2023 09: 05
      In pursuit of a small RCS

      IMHO - the concept itself is strange here. For any type of invisibility is somehow little combined with the radar on board. For when it is turned on, the plane will immediately begin to glow like a Christmas tree. Recall that the ancestor of all such F-117 pepelats did not have a radar on board at all, precisely for these reasons.

      And to sacrifice the main characteristics of the aircraft, such as maneuverability and armament, to this new fashion. like on the F-35 penguin - this is generally tin. Especially when you consider that the type of stealth is a very, very conditional thing at the moment. Playing, and even then only in a narrow range, exclusively from a nasal angle. And for the sake of this - let's say an under-fighter, or an under-bomber? A highly controversial decision.
      1. -1
        12 August 2023 12: 06
        Well, if you are not going to conduct air battles in the style of whatnots of the First World War now, then the current "maneuverability" is an absolutely stupid thing. And the focus on stealth is much more useful here. It’s better that the radars / missiles don’t see you at all than you try to get away from them by performing fantastic pirouettes, while your chances of getting away will all be close to zero early on. The current use of aviation is the launch (dump) of the charge, with the maximum possible imperceptible approach to the object and immediately retreat. And in such a situation, stealth is much more useful than maneuverability. If you notice, now "clumsy" strategists bring the enemy much more problems than the super maneuverable 35th or 37th, which even the under-air defense of Ukraine simply pressed against the airfields.
        By the way - the radar can be turned off, and turn it on when necessary.
        1. 0
          12 August 2023 12: 32
          the current "maneuverability" is an absolutely stupid thing.

          I wouldn’t say .. A sharp maneuver may well disrupt the capture of the rocket’s head, thereby saving your life ..

          And clumsy strategists are playing exactly because no one is fighting with them, because the opposite side has no means of struggle ... Estimate for a second what it is for us to lose the Tu-160 or for the B-2 mattress covers ...
          1. -2
            12 August 2023 13: 02
            "it may well thwart the capture" - or maybe not. But if they don’t see you, then everything is much easier. Agree that it is better that this capture does not exist at all. And then you do not need to show the miracles of tightrope walking.
            "because the opposing side lacks means of struggle." - exactly. He simply does not see them, and when he sees he cannot get them. And it's much better than agility, and that's exactly what works. And all the "maneuverable" aviation, the enemy is at gunpoint and there is not much sense from it at all. Helicopters are being taken out, which just use not maneuverability, but invisibility - low altitude, terrain folds, etc.
        2. 0
          20 August 2023 20: 31
          The current use of aviation is the launch (dump) of the charge, with the maximum possible imperceptible approach to the object and immediately retreat. And in such a situation, stealth is much more useful than maneuverability.

          Isn't it better, in this case, to make a fighter based on the S-5 or An-124?
          Already a dozen radars of different ranges, with a huge radiation power, hundreds of different-caliber missiles and tons of fuel can be shove. Also a couple of crews for daily patrols ...
          And if you also hang drones ...
      2. +1
        12 August 2023 15: 44
        Paul3390:
        any type of invisibility somehow has little to do with the radar on board

        It goes without saying: one drone from the escort provides REP and RTR, another one provides REP and illumination along the front, and the manned strike machine works without turning on the radiation.
      3. +1
        15 August 2023 10: 46
        For any type of invisibility is somehow little combined with the radar on board. For when it is turned on, the plane will immediately begin to glow like a Christmas tree.

        Why did it happen? Radar, by definition, emits a fairly narrowly directed main beam. Yes, weaker sidelobes can be detected, but it is precisely for AFAR that their level is very low.
    6. +2
      12 August 2023 13: 06
      "The development of the Su-57 is inspiring."
      The development of the Su-67 should inspire,
      and the SU-57 should already inspire with a massive entry into the troops.
    7. +1
      12 August 2023 14: 08
      Explain to me, as a non-specialist: how is "invisibility" achieved when the AFAR is running, especially if they are trying to jam another radar? And it turns out that if the "invisible" sees far (with the radar turned on), then it can be seen far away. Here they will meet "in an open field" (hypothetically, there is no one else) F-35 and Su-57, both with non-radiating radars, how will they look for each other? OLS?
      And about the EPR of 5th generation aircraft: are they known reliably? They are trying to judge by the forms, but the coating also gives a significant share in the reduction in EPR, so what are they comparing with?
      And besides, it seems to me that the Su-57 with the remote control of the 1st stage (the "old" engine) will be more efficient than the F-35.
  4. +2
    12 August 2023 04: 57
    Here, of course, it is worth asking the question, but due to what the new American fighter will “tear everyone”, as it is customary to say in our country.


    I will answer for what.
    Pin_dos provide about 40% of their expenses due to the sale of their drawn dollars !!!

    Collapse bucks and pin_dosy in Jo ... e !!!! -
    1. +6
      12 August 2023 07: 20
      Quote: Alex20042004
      collapse the bucks

      And how to do it? Even the largest Chinese economy in the world is not very eager to abandon the US dollar... And for some reason, the guys from the Fed look indifferently at the BRICS. Why would? After all, the goals and objectives are voiced there hoo - the creation of a new world currency. It would seem that a mortal threat hung over the dollar... And soon there will be quite a lot of BRICS members, but the Democrats don't care... request
      1. -2
        12 August 2023 07: 43
        Quote: Doccor18
        the Chinese economy is not very eager to abandon the US dollar

        why refuse? they have a fairly sovereign economy, a fixed exchange rate ... the dollar is just one of many (!) Ways of reserving and doing business for them!
      2. +1
        12 August 2023 07: 46
        And for some reason, the guys from the Fed look indifferently at BRICS ...


        Because all the guys from the BRICS have personal capital not in national currencies, but in ... (I dare to guess, you can guess in which ones)
        1. 0
          12 August 2023 08: 11
          Quote: AA17
          Because all the guys are from BRICS

          So we return to the first question: "How to do this?", if no one actually needs it ...
      3. 0
        12 August 2023 12: 21
        In the modern economic paradigm, there is no way, since everything is measured in dollars, and the Americans have a lot of them, and whoever sold them the most nishtyakov is a fine fellow.
  5. -2
    12 August 2023 05: 05
    In general, it is surprising how the Americans generally turn their tongues to call an obsolete and decommissioned aircraft the best in the world. There is absolutely no logic.

    And I'm surprised you're surprised. What exactly are they wrong about? It is so outdated that in many performance characteristics no one has yet caught up with it)))
    From seven years is not so much, but if you remember how much the same Raptor was brought to mind ...

    And how much do the Su-57s bring? And remind me what terms promised?
    Of course, when there are billions, there is always something to spend them on. The only question is how effective and meaningful.

    SSJ-100 - 200+ yards green to make a plane 90%+ from imports?
    IL-112B - into the pipe and the plane and money
    Of course, sooner or later the American "wonder-litaks" will fly. There is no doubt about this, their entire industry is based on this. The only question is what will be in the skies of other countries at that time, and is it so easy for new American aircraft to become masters of the skies.

    The answer is obvious. They have 6 and 5 generations versus 5 for some and 4 ++++++ for everyone else. And who will rule the sky?
    After all, it may well turn out, as with the Raptor. That is, in words and figures, the best in the world, but in reality ... But in reality, everything may turn out to be completely different from what was planned. And you know, this, perhaps, will even be fair, in my opinion.

    But in fact, Roma, can you tell who was the BEST in a period of a long decade and a half +, BEFORE the Su-57? and Chinese conditional 5x?)))
    1. +2
      12 August 2023 08: 18
      Quote: JD1979
      SSJ-100 - 200+ yards green to make a plane 90%+ from imports?

      Proof?
      You lie, but don't lie.
      The cost of the development program is ≈ 44 billion rubles, according to some estimates - about 100 billion rubles
      1. +1
        12 August 2023 15: 31
        Weaving Superjet, this is a 99,9% stupidly bought Dornier 728. Their original development cost them 1.7 billion dollars, and ours allegedly spent 3.3 billion dollars on the "development" of just a ready-made purchased aircraft. This is how it should be developed.
        1. 0
          16 August 2023 22: 54
          fairy tales only tell about 99 percent is not necessary. He was counted on a new one and then tested for a new one. If we bought it ready for 99%, then only the interior would be set up and flew.
          Yes, we used ready-made components and products to the maximum, as everyone does to speed up the commissioning process. Well, they made a mistake on this, they thought we were integrating into the world economy ...
  6. +4
    12 August 2023 05: 06
    But in fact, our American partners are constantly training in the sky on their opponents. The Chinese comrades are great in terms of production volumes, but the lack of combat experience is a significant minus.
  7. +8
    12 August 2023 05: 17
    The Next American Stealth Fighter will rule the sky
    belay How many of them were applicants. Not tired? fool Shit is full... control! Air defense + space forces = resetting the overlords. Even the gods were toppled from their pedestals. request
  8. 0
    12 August 2023 05: 20
    Aha! And its cost in gold bars will weigh more than the weight of a fighter! Wow!
  9. +5
    12 August 2023 05: 38
    The author was too lazy to convert pounds of thrust into kilograms))))
    1. +3
      12 August 2023 08: 20
      Quote: Clever man
      The author was too lazy to convert pounds of thrust into kilograms))))

      He can't.
      But not only in combat aviation, he is an expert in everything.
  10. +1
    12 August 2023 05: 39
    its cost in gold bars will weigh more than the weight of a fighter

    the result is important, counting pennies is a task for the colonies and Papuans ...
    the F35 is a very expensive aircraft, but the United States ensured its purchase in all satellite countries! (and even Poland will have F35)
    1. 0
      15 August 2023 10: 52
      here is the F35 is a very expensive plane

      no more expensive than other modern aircraft.
  11. +1
    12 August 2023 06: 05
    Quote: Alex20042004
    because of the sale of their painted dollars !!!
    collapse the bucks

    Well, here is a simple mechanism - when the ruble flies to the bottom, everyone really wants to save their money. And for some reason, a painted and unsecured dollar with its public debt is several times more stable than the ruble. So it turns out that nobody needs to force the dollar into anyone.
    But now it’s convenient to calculate the course - just multiply by a hundred
    1. -2
      12 August 2023 07: 38
      But now it’s convenient to calculate the course - just multiply by a hundred

      nothing, ale will try, so everyone needs to improve their arithmetic, they will have to multiply by 120 and 150 ... in the end, Biden ordered last year - to give 200 rubles per dollar, and our KVN-schiks laughed, joked ...
  12. -2
    12 August 2023 06: 07
    Especially for the fans of 10 Av 100000 vee each and a super invisible tourist on a 3-wheeled bike with 20 drones and 20 lemons will give the result. An entire air base or the command of my state.
    This is not a buffoon, but the FSB {defense} and the group {attack}.
  13. +2
    12 August 2023 07: 23
    According to the subject, they have already painted quite enough, but personally I was cut in the material by speech errors. Editing is lame and spoils the whole impression of a serious, in general, topic.
  14. +1
    12 August 2023 07: 45
    I don’t know how it is in reality, but American advertising works well.
  15. +1
    12 August 2023 08: 02
    BAE "Tempest". Great Britain
    / Well, where is the European FCAS?
  16. -4
    12 August 2023 08: 09
    Fighter of a new generation of air superiority NGAD. USA.
    Distinctive feature: flies together with slave drones

    It doesn’t fly, but it will only fly if it does, but the SU 57 is already flying
    along with slave drones
  17. BAI
    +1
    12 August 2023 08: 28
    thrust in 70 000 pounds

    Article on foreign sources
  18. -3
    12 August 2023 08: 30
    I give first place to the Su57 concept good stealth and reb will quite possibly make the over-the-horizon battle impossible (the plane is not visible anyway, and even interference interferes) and you will have to shoot down in a dog dump and here the Su57 will be the coolest of all! angry
    UAVs are unlikely to be capable of air combat in the foreseeable future, their niche is strike missions and the key point is to reduce the cost of the strike platform! bully
    1. +1
      12 August 2023 11: 40
      Quote: Eroma
      stealth and reb quite possibly make over-the-horizon combat impossible (the plane is not visible anyway, and even interference interferes)


      Aircraft are now becoming a complex type of technology - one manned military aircraft, a helicopter, to a greater extent or an airplane - accompanies and "assists" it, a set of robots.
      And it is very easy to teach such robots to automatically launch anti-radar projectiles, missiles and bombs. Another useful application for them can be the function of a tanker and the function of a powerful flying radar and jammer.
      Even in non-military applications, they can be very useful. For example, numerous cases of civil aviation colliding with a mountain are known, but such cases can be prevented if civil aviation aircraft are equipped with a leader drone, followed by a passenger aircraft along a proven and safe route. And such a leader drone or a set of them can perform the function of a weather reconnaissance, transport luggage (freeing up the volume of the main aircraft), a flying radar and a remote autopilot, etc. the cargo will be delivered by a robot, it will not be worse.
      1. 0
        20 August 2023 22: 04
        You give all the combat aircraft at the Ruslan base!
        Well, what? A radar dish, a lot of fuel, a large payload (missiles can be stuffed up to ... well, in short, it will be waist-deep)
        If you shove unbearable energy into the radar, and with such dimensions it’s time to spit - there will be a chic “fighter”, no stealth will be able to fly up to it closer than half a thousand miles. And ammunition, for all the regional air forces of the adversary ...
  19. 0
    12 August 2023 09: 01
    This whole game of "generations" of the fifth-sixth-seventh is nothing more than an advertising hype, such as stickers on old Chinese "500w" tape recorders.
    And the bet on the "invisibility" of the aircraft is vicious from the very beginning, and when everything is subordinated to it, then such a litak will be flawed in all other parameters, and "invisibility" - like virginity, will quickly pass.
  20. 0
    12 August 2023 09: 15
    If someone rules the house, he is called the house manager.
    But the manager...?
    Well, they can rule the sky. And what about planes of other countries, rockets, random reflections of sunlight from concave mirror structures?
  21. -1
    12 August 2023 09: 50
    America's next stealth fighter will rule the skies

    This is from the series "how to own the world without attracting the attention of orderlies"?
    In Hollywood, they still won’t film it. fellow Yes laughing
  22. +4
    12 August 2023 10: 57
    It is strange why the author stuck the label of "hopelessly outdated" F-22. Yes, he has been in the sky for a long time, but everything about the 5th generation is there: low visibility, cruising supersonic, AFAR radar, network-centricity, and so on. The secrecy of the technology of this aircraft is such that the striped ones do not let it fight where there is a risk of capture. For even the wreckage can tell a lot. As for the 6th generation, it is clear that the striped and the PRC will cross swords, but Russia will arrive at the event with some delay, by 5 years. All the rest will puzzle over how to make the 10th generation in the next 15-5 years. And not everyone will reach the final station. Because it's not just money...
  23. +1
    12 August 2023 11: 35
    Excellent review article. Roman, thanks. good
    A small note. Powerful onboard electronics are, on the one hand, zer gut! and on the other hand, the Achilles heel of LA. Because the electromagnetic pulse does not care what to burn: lamp garbage or super-duper fancy avionics on thin graphene tapes with 2nm microchips ... They are even more vulnerable. than chips of the 130 nm process technology, which still fly into space ...
    AHA.
    1. 0
      26 September 2023 11: 05
      They say 60nm and above feel normal in space
  24. +2
    12 August 2023 11: 58
    Quote: ROSS 42
    The development of the Su-57 is inspiring.

    As far as I know, this "topic" has been being developed for MORE THAN 20 years (project since 2001). They are produced with a 4-generation engine (tactfully called the engine of the first stage), and a teaspoon.
    China has a similar problem - they either have our engines or clones. I don’t know about aviation alloys in engines. There will be problems with the resource.
    I’m not Vanga, but it seems that the staffers will roll out the new aircraft while we bring the Su-57 to mind. So it still needs to be produced in commercial quantities. hi
  25. 0
    12 August 2023 12: 14
    Of course it will fly: but in due time ...
  26. +2
    12 August 2023 12: 47
    And where is the Su-75? Presented with such pomp. Ah, well, yes.
    1. +1
      12 August 2023 13: 32
      Su75 was presented primarily as an export vehicle hi moreover, a foreign investor participates in the financing of the encirclement. Like an international project. The fact that they decided to create it for Russia, as I understand it, is a necessary measure, so as not to let the investor down. Su75, apart from a more interesting price, has no other advantages over Su57
      1. 0
        20 August 2023 22: 10
        And the price, sorry??!
        You look and a worthy descendant of the MiG-21 will draw
  27. +1
    12 August 2023 13: 15
    Quote from Huggie
    And where is the Su-75? Presented with such pomp. Ah, well, yes.

    The violinist is not needed. laughing hi
  28. 0
    12 August 2023 13: 16
    Quote from alexoff
    Such an aircraft will cost an order of magnitude more than a fighter ...

    Did you mean "less"?
  29. 0
    12 August 2023 13: 43
    Water, water, water...
    if only the Author would simply compare the data of aircraft and models and outline the logic - why so, and not otherwise, it would be better ...

    But in real life - Raptor, yes, good. But its supersonic stealth coating is too expensive to operate.
    F35 is a small fighter-bomber. The size is much smaller than our SU34, and it takes almost the same amount of cargo. Stealth coatings have similar problems, but less so.
    Supermaneuverability of the SU57 - how useful is it at high speeds? And the stealth effect is classified, but the Indians abandoned Su and because of him (and then they "forgot" to equip the cabin). According to reservations on Zvezda, no emphasis was placed on stealth at all ...

    Su 75 .... we will not overpower.
    The Chinese... are just evolving.

    And the 6th generation .... let's see. Amers are already rolling out the layout, unlike the Su 75.

    Checkmate?
  30. +1
    12 August 2023 17: 38
    Strange article; despite the successes, the Chinese are still in the role of catching up. We don't see any breakthroughs so far...
  31. -1
    12 August 2023 19: 14
    The fool is getting richer with a thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  32. +2
    12 August 2023 20: 11
    But they didn’t write about the “Japanese”, and about the “Korean” too :-)
    The Americans have always had a strong design side based on modern high-quality materials and electronics, on the reliability of electronic systems (this does not apply to software, I will specifically emphasize this) - they will probably retain this strength in the future.
    Since the time of the "Manhattan Project" they have had a fixed idea, to gain a qualitatively different level of advantage over their opponents, to go into a technological gap, so to speak. And since that time they are ready to pump billions into this, the only trouble is that since then the opponents have begun to think a little more about the same paradigm of thinking. So, it is quite possible that the American "know-how innovative approach" can cut down someone else's innovative approach to detecting or combating aerodynamic targets.
  33. -1
    12 August 2023 21: 12
    The idea of ​​​​a flying complex captivates according to the system Aircraft-drones-earth-space. Drones, like servants of the aircraft, guard, notify and destroy the enemies of the owner, the aircraft with AI.
  34. -1
    12 August 2023 23: 53
    After such a headline, reading an article is not to respect yourself.
  35. 0
    13 August 2023 04: 13
    Quote from alexoff
    Such an aircraft will cost an order of magnitude more than a fighter, and if they are riveted in sufficient quantities, then no stealth for half a billion (it seems like this will cost so much) will not sneak, it will simply be crushed in mass at the airfield.


    Will it cost more or less?
  36. 0
    13 August 2023 06: 44
    There is a feeling of some, if not a dead end, then a search for new forms of existence of fighters as a class. The number is less, there is more real or imaginary protection, but in general it comes out more expensive with a decrease in the overall striking force. The bombers were given long arms and calmed down, but here, with the advent of hypersonic missiles, one can rely on awareness only in terms of inevitability. Kings, as a potentially endangered class, are not very impressive, although they show off the perfection of forms.
  37. +1
    13 August 2023 14: 20
    The main difference between the 5th generation fighter and the 4th is not at all in the performance characteristics, which, in principle, have not changed since the 70s of the last century, but in the ability to interact with each other and even with other branches of the military in a single information space. That is, an aircraft in hostile airspace can receive target designations from another fighter, AWACS aircraft, UAV or ground spotter. Then, in a matter of minutes, enter the received data into the onboard weapon system and work out both for air targets and for ground or surface targets.
  38. -1
    13 August 2023 17: 17
    Dear Roman Skomorokhov! And don't you know that, already, one aircraft, "stars and stripes", "rules the sky", however, within the borders of the United States ... I'm talking about the F-35 .... About "other" skies "- there, everything is much more modest and prosaic .... I will allow myself to note that the repetition of the fate of the F-22 and F-35 is already "laid" into the very concept of the future American "aviation warfare" ... It's not a sin "cutting", in haste, such a grandiose budget, is supposed to develop such a "wunder - waffen".
  39. +1
    17 August 2023 16: 08
    to this article, more statistics - how much do they spend on research? - so that we have an understanding of how much we are lagging behind (it's no secret to anyone that everything that flies now has roots in the USSR!)?
  40. 0
    20 August 2023 22: 22
    America's next stealth fighter will rule the skies

    This is a hint that the current one dominates and oppresses the hangars.
  41. 0
    21 August 2023 10: 30
    Stop writing and rewriting all sorts of nonsense, any super modern aircraft will have an engine that will emit a lot of heat and IR radiation, so photon radars and missiles will appear and they will also be shot down, the crown of development is the Su-35, even the Su-57 is superfluous, well perhaps the Su-75 will go into production, everything else is superfluous, since the massive use of drones with electric motors will create such problems that no stealth will solve them.
    So I would develop Geranium1 on electric traction, even with a range of 100-150 km it will be a wooderwafer, which will be beyond the teeth even of our air defense, it would still be possible to make the upper part with solar panels for daytime combat.
  42. 0
    15 September 2023 14: 38
    The next generation of locators, costing 100-1000 times cheaper, will solve all the problems with the “invisible man” (maybe someone remembers - the “invisible man” was simply hounded by dogs....)
  43. 0
    29 September 2023 00: 05
    Ambitions of the Naglo-Saxons and the last fart of the decrepit hegemon


    It was torn one-on-one from the Comedy Club. Where are the editors looking?
  44. fiv
    0
    30 September 2023 18: 34
    Although everyone here is fairly proficient in arithmetic (except me, probably))), I would like to see the thrust in kgf, kN or tf, and the range in km. Pounds and miles are for those who have lived with them since childhood. And, by the way, tens of thousands of kW of heat from the engine cannot be escaped; the invisible thing will glow like a Christmas tree. Invisible people, when there are a lot of them, will be caught using a completely different technique
  45. 0
    4 October 2023 00: 57
    I have already read that the F-35 will rule the skies.......
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