Instead of mobilization: new rules for military service

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Instead of mobilization: new rules for military service


Special Operation Lessons


A year and a half of a special military operation actually put an end to the concept of a lightning strike and the rapid conquest of a strategic initiative. More precisely, now it is practically impossible in the fight against an opponent who is supported by a powerful coalition and means of technical intelligence. Even against semi-partisan formations and a deliberately weak enemy, a swift operation can take place with great conventions. This, by the way, is realized not only in the Russian military-political leadership, but also in other countries.



The contract army also fails, which, as it turned out, was not fully prepared for the challenges of the special operation, which resulted in “goodwill gestures”. Since the beginning of spring, and then autumn of last year. First of all, there was an acute shortage of personnel. Partial mobilization, which took place with great bang, made it possible to do the main thing - to stabilize the front line and go on the defensive.

As this summer has shown, the Russian defense is quite efficient. No matter how hard the spiteful critics and provocateurs inside the country try. But a defensive game is just a defensive game. At best, it will allow you to save the liberated territories and partially exhaust the enemy.

We repeat, only partially exhaust - at the moment there is no evidence that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are breaking into Russian redoubts, headlong and regardless of losses. Of course, there are losses, but they are still insensitive for the Kyiv regime. Nobody wants to take risks. And this is quite fair - in the West, no one will forgive the new territories given to Russia.

The special operation from the defense, which we have been observing for almost a year, suggests that the Russian command is also not ready to take risks. No one will forgive the loss of new regions of Russia within the country. And for a full-scale offensive, there are not enough personnel.

Several mobilization waves in Ukraine have done their job - the enemy has a numerical superiority, which in many respects neutralizes the technical superiority of the Russian army. For the successful completion of the special operation in Ukraine, the only thing left to do is to build up the Russian army, which, coupled with the best weapons, will allow us to take control of new territories and force the Zelensky regime to make unpopular decisions for it.

Whatever one may say, but the Russian leadership will have to take a gradual path of escalating the conflict. Zelensky and his henchmen were too hard-headed to understand the inevitability of the outcome. Therefore, only causing critical damage to the Kyiv regime can make the Ukrainian leadership think about its own "denazification and demilitarization." We are seeing signs of escalation right now as enemy ports are being systematically put out of action.

The second wave of mobilization in Russia is now meaningless.

Firstly, the material base, uniforms and weapon in sufficient quantity.

Secondly, for a considerable part of society, this will create serious tension, which the country's leadership is trying to avoid. The sensitivity to human losses in Russia is now much higher than in Ukraine, and this must be taken into account.

Therefore, until the situation on the fronts turns into a catastrophe, like a retreat from near Kharkov, a decision on mobilization will not be made.

Israeli script


Russia is now conducting the largest and longest military operations with a fairly highly developed enemy. This has not happened since 1945.

Until February last year, the most belligerent power could be called Israel. With some reservations, of course. Tel Aviv's adversaries have not recently been distinguished by a high technological culture. In the worst case, they can fire a rocket or burn a tank from an ATGM.

At the same time, Israel and Russia have a lot in common in foreign policy. Countries are making every effort to prevent military conflict on their own territory. That is why preemptive strikes have become a trademark of the Israeli IDF. As well as for Russia.

Only now the combat readiness of the population of Israel is much higher. They serve in Russia for one year, the Israelis in military service for 30 months, and women for two years, albeit not in combat units. All those who have served are annually called up for reservist duties. And no evaders or those fleeing abroad - serving in the IDF is considered an honorable duty.


Unfortunately, in Russia, events of this kind are rejected by a part of society. Try now to raise the issue of increasing the service life from 12 months to at least two years. Kartapolov from the State Duma says:

“Today we have a modern young man who is able to master all military specialties in a maximum of six months.”

The question is why a modern young Russian masters a military registration specialty in a year (or maybe even in 6 months), while the average Israeli needs two and a half years? What is more here - the talent of Russians and the unique simplicity of Russian technology?

Decades of false liberalization and denial of involvement in the Motherland have led to the fact that now the country is tight with volunteers. With the country's population, things look like a disaster - we have not got out of the demographic hole. The birth rate has been falling recently and will continue until 2030.

Since the beginning of the year, the army has recruited 156 contract servicemen. Is it a lot or a little? On the one hand, this is immediately half of the number of mobilized last year. On the other hand, almost 700 contract servicemen are needed to "guaranteed the solution of the tasks of ensuring military security."

As Colonel General Yevgeny Burdinsky, head of the Main Military Mobilization Directorate of the General Staff, explained, by the end of the year two new military districts, two armies, five divisions and more than two dozen brigades will be formed. This adds clarity to the total number of contractors involved.

For mathematicians, an army can include from 200 to one million servicemen, up to 22 in a division, and up to 4-5 in a brigade. A freshly recruited army, of course, will not immediately go into battle - at least a year and a half is needed for full-fledged training.

At the beginning of the summer, according to Shoigu, more than 120 servicemen were trained. How many of them signed a contract, and how many mobilized - is unknown.


So the time has come for unpopular but necessary decisions.

First of all, this is a one-time increase in the draft age from 18 to 30 years from January 1. This, by the way, is only three years more than it was before. We will not repeat the words of the leaders of the State Duma that the conscripts themselves asked for an increase in the conscription age. We only note that for a country that has been conducting large-scale military operations for the second year using the entire conventional arsenal, this decision looks even belated. The enemy did not stand on ceremony at all and declared martial law in the first hours of the Russian special operation.

In fact, the new norm will begin to operate from April 1 next year with the start of the spring conscription campaign. That is, even if among those called up there are those who immediately sign a contract, they will not get to the special operation until the end of the summer of 2024.

A very conditional and optimistic extrapolation allows us to talk about an increase in the number of conscripts by about 30 percent. In the spring draft of 2022, almost 150 thousand recruits were recruited, that is, we can expect 180-200 thousand from next year. But again, this is an optimistic view. Most likely, the increase in the age of conscription to 30 only compensates for the shortage of young men in the recruiting centers. The demographic hole has not gone anywhere.

History With the expansion of the draft age, as well as with the increase in the age limit for military service by five years, is directly related not only to the special operation in Ukraine. In the end, we will see the effect of military reforms in a year and a half, not earlier. On the battlefield, a lot more can happen.

The main goal of what happened is an adequate response to the changed Russian environment. The country for several years, if not decades, was surrounded by enemies and ill-wishers. More precisely, it happened a long time ago, but awareness came only last year. As well as understanding that the main allies of Russia have always been and remain: the army and navy.
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  1. +35
    27 July 2023 04: 49
    I have already written several times and I will repeat again.
    Conscripts, whom it was decided not to send to the battlefields (which is basically true) after a year of service, do not go home, but are detained in the service for another 6-7 months.
    They are sent to the "internal" rear districts and serve, continuing to engage in combat training. On the terms of the contract, or "semi-contract".
    The released contract soldiers from these districts are sent to the NVO zone for rotation and replenishment of combat units.
    This option of replenishing the active army will suit everyone to a large extent, including conscripts and their families.
    The idea, perhaps (I quite admit it), is not the most brilliant, but still quite feasible and quite effective.
    100-120 thousand contract soldiers fall into the combat assets of the Red Army.
    1. +25
      27 July 2023 05: 47
      For the successful completion of the special operation in Ukraine, the only thing left to do is to build up the Russian army

      It is certainly possible to build up and train the Army. However, the question of questions is who is the commander, self-confident, with experience of victories, working, regardless of duties, on an offensive plan and a strategic turning point ... Naturally, the development of such a plan will be the work of many, but the idea, grain, confidence in victory - always from the author !!

      And without confidence in victory, without risk - commanders, masters of martial art and practitioners of military science - there is no ... who is he in the Russian Army !!!
    2. +18
      27 July 2023 07: 27
      Quote: U-58

      Conscripts, whom it was decided not to send to the battlefields (which is basically true) after a year of service, do not go home, but are detained in the service for another 6-7 months.

      And why can't conscripts who have served a year, received a military specialty and "detained for another 6-7 months" be used as assistance to border guards in protecting the Kursk, Bryansk and Belgorod regions? Or are they poorly trained? (Then questions arise for the commanders of companies, battalions, regiments, brigades, divisions, and further in ascending order. What did they do for a year?) There, on the border, they will “smell gunpowder” and will not take part in intense hostilities. And the contractors involved in this (protection of the regions) should be sent to the NVO as a reserve or for rotation.
      1. -5
        27 July 2023 08: 53
        The mobilization was announced last year. Not the fact that according to the law it is necessary to announce some other mobilization. The recruitment age has been raised. The age of being in the mobilization reserve was raised. The release of weapons for the year increased repeatedly. Open sources are full of stuffing about the second wave of mobilization. The mobilized have been cut off from peaceful life, families, wives, children, relatives, work, sex, alcohol for almost a year. Someone was killed. Someone is wounded, shell-shocked. People need rest. Need a replacement.
        Will there be a second wave of mobilization? Who knows then. Is that only the Supreme and the General Staff. Perhaps it will be broken into waves or into ripples on the water. But it is obvious that you cannot denazify and demilitarize the whole of Ukraine with available forces. An offensive requires a numerical superiority. Troops and personnel are needed to occupy and control territories with a Naziified armed population.
        My opinion: everything is ready for the continuation of mobilization: laws, military registration and enlistment offices, weapons, uniforms. The rest is up to the personnel.
        Mobilization to be!!!
        In January, I was supposed to be removed from the reserve due to age. And now I'm a young reservist again. Truth of the third category. good
      2. +8
        27 July 2023 09: 29
        So the conscripts are sitting there, at least the familiar guys from Dagestan
        1. +2
          27 July 2023 19: 45
          This is true. I am from Belgorod. When the DRG entered the Shebekinsky district, the conscripts participated in the reflection.
      3. +4
        27 July 2023 11: 21
        You weren't at the border. Especially on that one.
        Example: the brother of an urgent wife was like in Kushka. In the infantry.
        I did not fight "across the river", I did not approach the border closer than 300 meters at all. For 2 years in his company losses - 4 people. From stray bullets of spirits.
      4. +2
        27 July 2023 12: 20
        they are already involved in these areas
      5. +3
        27 July 2023 20: 59
        At the border, conscripts are just used. A friend's son recently returned from there.
    3. +13
      27 July 2023 12: 38
      "...Conscripts whom it was decided not to send to the battlefield (which is basically true)..." What nonsense. Why? What is the army for then? Sweep the parade ground and march in parades? Conscripts go to serve. If war, then fight. Or is it a year-long camp for boys? And the better a mobilized 30-40-year-old man (having acquired a family, children, adjusted his life with loans, perhaps making some kind of career or having already become some kind of specialist in the profession, the lack of which is now screaming both in the thought and on TV) who served that the same urgent, but 10-20 years ago and all forgotten, heavy, with a set of age-related health problems? What the hell....
      1. -16
        27 July 2023 12: 59
        What are you so excited about? Are you afraid that instead of yesterday's schoolboy will be sent to fight? Do you have your own children? Childfree for life?
        1. +28
          27 July 2023 14: 01
          Quote: JD1979
          Are you afraid that instead of yesterday's schoolboy will be sent to fight?

          And how old are you? Will you run ten kilometers for a while, pull yourself up twenty-five times, do push-ups for the steward in a minute, like me at eighteen? I can't do shit already in my fifty dollars. I'll die.
          1. +3
            27 July 2023 21: 09
            [b crying ] Mordvin 3 (Vladimir). Today, 14:01. NEW. [/b]
            Quote: JD1979
            Are you afraid that instead of yesterday's schoolboy will be sent to fight?

            And how old are you? Will you run ten kilometers for a while, pull yourself up twenty-five times, do push-ups for the steward in a minute, like me at eighteen? I can't do shit already in my fifty dollars. I'll die.

            You. the colleague is right - Mordvin 3 (Vladimir). . If earlier before the service 3 km to warm up. And when passing a part of the OFP as a "hare" for "seed" (to increase the result in HP). Next on your list .. Then with the "new" innovative "installed .... for those in the reserve Now the age limit for being in the reserve depends on the category (there are three of them, depending on the accounting specialty) ... already completely different, not only age opportunities, but also massively crawling out of service + "dear" citizen - sores and certainly an AWESOME level of training ... request
            But the question is AGAIN not in this ... hi
            A competent commander will be able to redistribute l / s, taking into account knowledge. skills and health (OFP), soldier
            QUESTION!? Where do we have the work that was talked about back in the 90s. 2000s, etc. About work with conscripts and with the mobre reserve. fool At least until the age of 40. Something flashed somewhere at Shoigu and .. crying ..And when mobilizing without preparation, at least 3 months, and yes after an urgent one ... even depending on which one ... you can’t go to the database. These are "logs" ... (no offense - including about yourself). fool A smart owner prepares ahead of time. That there were no "bells" - bully Chechen wars. Southern Ossetia. ... That there were no EXPLICIT questions that did not have to be solved yesterday. hi From the preparation of the reserve. connections. protection. uniforms, etc. - not brigades. and divisions!? Yes, and the issue of organizing and conducting SVO in was worked out and there were reports and proposals on MTR for a long time soldier
            Robbery again.. crying But. that unless NOW work with a reserve and with conscripts has begun!? NOT!!! belay
            Why not use the TERRITORIAL DEFENSE theme - soldier "to carry out "the maximum from possible mobile reserves to those who will remain on the protection and defense of local facilities (which few "aliens" from the GUR and "dushmans" have already been identified with THEIR prospect of UNITED!? am And it's not just government agencies and military registration and enlistment offices. hospitals and life support organs and factories. hospitals - which, if necessary, can SUDDENLY become hospitals. In CHOPOVETS sit alone (who and what!?). in others already, including in the Moscow region, "guest" guards in shales on their bare feet and rattling on their own. Interesting. will the DRG be required for a terrorist attack or will the guests manage on their own !? am
            A couple is not to engage in "Trishkin's jacket". Yes, probably raising the ages is NECESSARY. But it’s also time to WORK on VOCATIONAL TRAINING of the mob reserve and recruits - Do not change the name of the subject. THERE IS A REASON!
            There are still PEOPLE with experience and knowledge and military education on the topic.
            See at least the work of "Old Man" - Lukoshenko. China and our past.
            You need RESPONSIBILITY. and not even aggressive trends in locations with activities.
            soldier hi
          2. -6
            28 July 2023 06: 28
            You don't need to push up in combat. You can also refrain from cross-country and pull-ups. And sitting in a trench and clutching a bottle of combustible mixture (COP will do), expect a NATO tank
            1. 0
              29 July 2023 04: 51
              Quote: Mamin-Sibiryak
              And sitting in a trench and clutching a bottle of combustible mixture (COP will do), expect a NATO tank

              Well, yes, all that remains is to sit in the trench, wait for the tank to roll. And you don’t need to run, crawl, climb into the window somewhere, or jump over the fence.
            2. +2
              29 July 2023 16: 19
              Quote: Mamin-Sibiryak
              You don't need to push up in combat. You can also refrain from cross-country and pull-ups. And sitting in a trench and clutching a bottle of combustible mixture (COP will do), expect a NATO tank

              And if the NATO tank does not crawl, use it inside.
              Sun-vyn. The art of martial mixtures.
              (C)
              ,:)
          3. -9
            28 July 2023 09: 35
            And what did he throw away? I would keep myself in shape, run, pull up, etc. What snot then dissolved ..
            1. +4
              29 July 2023 04: 47
              And wave a shift at work with a sledgehammer or wait with a grinder, I’ll see how you will do physical education for a couple more hours.
              1. +1
                29 July 2023 15: 52
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                And wave a shift at work with a sledgehammer or wait with a grinder, I’ll see how you will do physical education for a couple more hours.

                It is useless to talk about physical training and its importance with those who are in their early 20s. They immediately change the subject to: "why are you still here?"
                I will answer. Because I'll just die, without any database. When you rise to the 4th floor with two respites. It was necessary to play sports, they say. Necessary. I was engaged in sports From the 86th, and further to the 04th. And now it's like that, an old ruin. I'm going to KB. I go in for sports.
          4. -3
            28 July 2023 10: 21
            I can't do shit already in my fifty dollars. I'll die.

            It was necessary to comply with the norms of the TRP.
            1. +1
              29 July 2023 21: 02
              Quote: nickname7
              I can't do shit already in my fifty dollars. I'll die.

              It was necessary to comply with the norms of the TRP.

              And you, dear, as I understand it: "a healthy mind in a healthy body"
          5. 0
            2 August 2023 23: 22
            Judging by the many videos from the front, they don’t run much there. They walk and crawl very carefully. More often they just lie in the trenches under shelling. Here, in general, you can not look at health, pull-ups and running. It's scary to run at all - there are too many mines. Where are our robots? Now Fedor would be useful to at least collect mines on himself, but to distract the enemy with his silhouette, snipers and artillerymen.
        2. 0
          31 July 2023 07: 18
          "yesterday's schoolchildren" stopped tanks near Moscow.
      2. +2
        27 July 2023 19: 54
        "...Conscripts whom it was decided not to send to the battlefield (which is basically true)..." What nonsense. Why?

        Here yes and no. However! We are not at war, but a special operation. I do not know the text of the current oath. However, I suspect that it swears to protect Russia from enemy attacks. This is one moment. 2nd moment: the killed boys will no longer give birth to their sons (which is very important), but at the same time their still relatively young mothers will curse the supreme power, which will seriously affect the situation in society.
        1. +3
          28 July 2023 21: 13
          Here is the first, the towers do not care at all. This is precisely the goal - fewer Russians. Secondly, it will shake the galley and may well knock out the oars. These boys are formatted for the system, such material of huckster power is of course a pity. Yes, and grown-up egoists and their mothers can buzz quite. On conscripts, on LBS, the taboo will be invariably.
      3. 0
        30 July 2023 04: 45
        Wars are not. There is SVO. The Supreme Commander clearly said that conscripts would not be sent there. What don't you understand yet?
    4. +23
      27 July 2023 12: 40
      if you haven’t noticed, then the Red and Soviet armies, that is, the “people’s”, have long been gone, there is the army of the Russian Federation, which has nothing to do with the Soviet army.
    5. +11
      27 July 2023 12: 44
      And you also need to remove all the tank units from the Far East.
      + everyone who signed a contract with PMCs returned to civilian life to mobilize, as they have combat experience. And everyone who has ever been on a contract in the army should also be mobilized.
      That will be the strength. And taking peaceful, unmotivated people without military experience from factories and farms is a stupid waste of human production resources.
      Or declare war and put everyone under arms. And the son-in-law of Shoigu and the son-in-law of the supreme commander in chief!
      1. +5
        27 July 2023 17: 17
        Quote: Sergey_Bely
        And you also need to remove all the tank units from the Far East.
        + everyone who signed a contract with PMCs returned to civilian life to mobilize, as they have combat experience. And everyone who has ever been on a contract in the army should also be mobilized.
        That will be the strength. And taking peaceful, unmotivated people without military experience from factories and farms is a stupid waste of human production resources.
        Or declare war and put everyone under arms. And the son-in-law of Shoigu and the son-in-law of the supreme commander in chief!

        Nothing, shchazz Shoigu from Sev. Korea will bring a hundred thousand volunteers.
        In general, the author painted a sad picture. And unfortunately true.
        In my opinion, the second wave of mobilization cannot be avoided.
        Even though the president denies it's necessary.
        But at first he denied the necessity of the first.
        But it depends on the goals that someone in the Kremlin has in mind.
        If they think to come to an agreement and stop on this line, then of course the second wave is not needed.
        But what about Kherson and other territories that are Russian according to the Constitution?
        Well, they will explain somehow to the electorate. For the first time or something.
        1. +8
          27 July 2023 17: 22
          That's just it, that in one day everything can be changed at the legislative level in our country.
          And we can say to the people that we have achieved all the goals in the NWO. And whoever says something against it can be closed for defamation of something and anyone.
        2. +5
          27 July 2023 17: 45
          Well, they will explain somehow to the electorate. For the first time or something.


          Well, what will you explain to the electorate today? The country now is not the USSR, where they lived and fought for the idea. Today, after the explanations, the people will immediately have so many questions for the speaker, but it is not difficult to predict. The first and main question will be that no one will volunteer to fight for the oligarchs and for the family (which, oddly enough, our president has a relationship with). It's about the question of volunteers. Secondly, when combat generals are removed from their posts and as a result, many will fall under investigation, but they leave those who write excellent reports, but who do not know how to fight in modern conditions, then do not expect victory in the near future.
          There will be operations such as attacks on the Antonovsky bridge or near Orekhov, and besides the numerical increase in troops, there are a lot of problems that are not even discussed.
          1. -9
            27 July 2023 18: 43
            Quote: user
            Well, they will explain somehow to the electorate. For the first time or something.


            Well, what will you explain to the electorate today? The country now is not the USSR, where they lived and fought for the idea. Today, after the explanations, the people will immediately have so many questions for the speaker, but it is not difficult to predict. The first and main question will be that no one will volunteer to fight for the oligarchs and for the family (which, oddly enough, our president has a relationship with). It's about the question of volunteers. Secondly, when combat generals are removed from their posts and as a result, many will fall under investigation, but they leave those who write excellent reports, but who do not know how to fight in modern conditions, then do not expect victory in the near future.
            There will be operations such as attacks on the Antonovsky bridge or near Orekhov, and besides the numerical increase in troops, there are a lot of problems that are not even discussed.

            And what? Yes, questions will arise, they are still arising.
            That there were no questions on pension reform? And how did it end?
            Yes, nothing. And why are there no volunteers? There are a lot.
            You do not live in Russia?
            Only they are fighting not for the oligarchs, but for Russia.
            If for you Russia is only officials and oligarchs, then I feel sorry for you.
            And for me, Russia is what is sung about in the song "Where the Motherland Begins".
            1. +2
              28 July 2023 21: 22
              There, in the song, there is a list of what it begins with. So this is all now anti-state propaganda. Well, with the exception of the "singing of the master", and even then how to turn it. That Motherland was different, there was a bourgeois enemy in it. Remember what is written on the banners of the Red Army-SA? For Our Soviet Motherland! And yet everyone who fights, fights for the interests of the oligarchs. Whether they want it or not. There was also such a song - "according to new intelligence data, we fought with ourselves"
      2. 0
        30 July 2023 04: 47
        Dreams, dreams :) the addition is too short
    6. +5
      27 July 2023 12: 50
      Conscripts, whom it was decided not to send to the battlefields (which is basically true) after a year of service, do not go home, but are detained in the service for another 6-7 months.
      They are sent to the "internal" rear districts and serve, continuing to engage in combat training. On the terms of the contract, or "semi-contract".

      In principle, I have almost the same thoughts. Here's what I propose.

      1. Increase the service life up to one and a half years.
      2. After a year of service, allow to conclude a contract with all the consequences for at least six months
      or
      semi-contract (in your terminology) for at least a year.

      Thus, you will have to serve either 2 years as a conscript
      either a year as a conscript a year as a semi-contractor
      either a year as a conscript and at least six months as a contractor

      As a result we
      1. We will retain the mobilization capabilities that a country with a purely contract army does not have.
      2. Let's saturate the rear parts with semi-contrakinics.
      3. We will give an opportunity to everyone who wants not to hang out in anticipation of demobilization, but to become a real military man.

      And of course, to revive the system of training junior officers. As experience shows, a lieutenant who has grown from a sergeant in the trenches is incomparably better than a lieutenant from a school.
      1. -1
        27 July 2023 22: 36
        I believe that one should not rush between "conscription" and "contract" (in the form in which they are now usually understood), sacrificing either numbers, motivation, or discipline, but look for fundamentally different ways of manning the armed forces.
        The mass army of the last century and a half, based on short-term conscription for training in peacetime and able to increase in numbers through mobilization in wartime, does not look like a relevant option for our days, when even ordinary infantry now goes into battle not only with small arms, but is equipped complex equipment, and the nature of the war requires initiative from ordinary fighters, backed up by skills and knowledge. If it is impossible to fully prepare a warrior in a short time, and in subsequent years his skills are forgotten or lose their relevance, then the meaning of such a system is lost in principle: the peacetime army will be too weak in terms of quality, and mobilization will give it people who differ little from green youths .
        A contract army of the current type is also a dubious option. A hired soldier can be an excellent fighter, breaking stones on his head and tearing Leopards with his bare hands, he can even be a staunch patriot for whom money is only one of the sides of motivation, but that is where the strengths of such an army end. In wartime, you will have to look for more and more personnel somewhere and somehow in the absence of a noticeable number of trained citizens in the country. We should not forget about the danger that such an army can be overrun by rogues looking for a quick income, and then in the event of a difficult war it will simply fall apart.
        I see the notorious "25 years" as a way out: a long service life for professionals who form the basis of the regular part of the armed forces, and multi-stage, extended military training for all citizens who, upon mastering a certain minimum, would be sent to serve in the "real" for some time. units, and after that they would continue to be listed in semi-regular formations like the landmilitia, which in peacetime would train personnel and maintain their skills, perform some of the functions of the current Russian Guard, and in wartime ensure rapid mobilization, and not leading to a catastrophic drop in the level of training and discipline in the army, and also carried out the protection of border settlements from enemy raids.
    7. +8
      27 July 2023 16: 13
      100-120 thousand contract soldiers fall into the combat assets of the Red Army.

      Maybe you still remember the Soviet regime? And try on Shoigu with his deputy Timur Ivanov-by-passport?
    8. +23
      27 July 2023 16: 14
      Most contract soldiers are not eager to die in the fields of the NVO, like the majority of the population of the Russian Federation as a whole. For the goals and objectives, and most importantly, the beneficiaries of this undertaking, are not entirely clear. After all, for example, our oil companies sell the same diesel in the West, which then goes into Ukrainian tanks. We will not be able to recruit, equip and motivate the army, mobilize the government and society in the current ideological (liberal-bourgeois), economic, political, military and other conditions. The Nazi ideology of Ukraine is much more effective than our liberal-bourgeois one, this is a fact. Lubok primordially-grassroots visits to patriotic themes no longer even cause laughter, but disgust. The consumer society is not up to the fight. We need an imperial ideology, tough and understandable to everyone. People go to contract service not to die, but to earn money. Dying for an idea.
      1. 0
        27 July 2023 20: 00
        Agree. With this non-bourgeois stratum of taxi drivers, karatekas and ananists, it is difficult to count on making serious decisions at the top.
        They don't want to stain their underpants by swimming in the river. This is their concept ... Alas ..
      2. -5
        27 July 2023 20: 02
        Well, I want to talk about diesel for Ukrainian tanks. Well, firstly, we do not sell oil and diesel to Ukraine. Ukraine buys diesel from Romania and Hungary. And what do you think, if we stop supplying oil to Hungary, their refineries will stop? Of course not! They will process Arabic, African and any kind of oil, still supplying diesel to Ukraine.
        1. +1
          1 August 2023 19: 29
          With this logic, it is possible to supply weapons to Romania and the Czech Republic. With an excuse that if not the Ural plant, then Rheinmetall will supply ...
      3. +1
        28 July 2023 10: 43
        contractors do not die, but earn money. Dying for an idea.

        Because we have a capitalism that does not earn enough money to maintain a large professional army, therefore, a dilemma arises, the people's army is impossible because it is capitalism, and the professional army also cannot be short of money.
        Secondly, the contract itself is somehow wrong, in the states, a contract soldier can leave the army at any time ...
      4. 0
        28 July 2023 16: 23
        The Nazi ideology of Ukraine is much more effective than our liberal-bourgeois one, this is a fact.


        So nationalists in Ukraine are not very popular.
        There are quite a few who want to build their own national state there, they will gladly part with their national sovereignty and leave for third or fifth roles in the EU (if they are taken there). They are so angry at us because they believe that because of us they cannot get into the notorious "European paradise".

        We need an imperial ideology, tough and understandable to everyone.


        It seems to me that you are a little mistaken in the question of the popularity of the "imperial ideology".
        Especially among the younger generation.
        They don't really want to build an empire, and they are certainly not ready to sacrifice their lives for the sake of building an empire.
      5. 0
        28 July 2023 21: 34
        Bravo dear. THEY have a disgusting, BUT well-developed and polished ideology, with a set of tools that turn thinking people into biorobots with a set of instincts. People with colossal motivation in the form of a struggle for a GREAT IDEA fought against the same people BEFORE. And now, if we recall the pearls of the "responsible persons" who sometimes blurt out ...
    9. +2
      27 July 2023 17: 53
      In general, in Russia they did not do that. It was necessary to deal with who had hit the road from Russia taking away the stolen goods. When the thieves are returned with the stolen goods, then it will be possible to deal with those who helped them steal. Then, those who created a country that could be stolen by their own for their own. And at the very end, take care of those who ran, who skated, who jumped in length, height and width. Not imaginary, they jumped, but with their talent, who tore the body and broke bones. Everything they did was considered to be the president, ministers and, of course, generals jumping. And those who degenerate them, nurtured and endowed them, are even now considered side by side, which have nothing to do with the champions. In general, in Russia they did not do that. It was necessary to deal with who had hit the road from Russia taking away the stolen goods. When the thieves are returned with the stolen goods, then it will be possible to deal with those who helped them steal. Then, those who created a country that could be stolen by their own for their own. And at the very end, take care of those who ran, who skated, who jumped in length, height and width. Not imaginary, they jumped, but with their talent, who tore the body and broke bones. Everything they did was considered to be the president, ministers and, of course, generals jumping. And those who degenerate them, nurtured and endowed them, are even now considered side by side, which have nothing to do with the champions. "On Saturday, almost crying, the whole Kanatchikov's dacha was torn to the TV. He spoke, wringing his hands, rhetoric and troublemaker, (Almost as now, more precisely as now), about the impotence of science in front of the secrets of Bermuda. He broke all the brains into pieces, all the convolutions braided and Kanatchikov's dachas ", they pour another injection on the sick. They frighten them with saucers, they say vile ones fly, then their dogs bark, then the ruins say. Sick medicines are piled in the toilet, who is not a blockhead. And suddenly Bermuda, well, you can't do it right away." Vladimir Vysotsky wrote correctly, he knew that everything was going towards what was going on in Kanatchikov’s dacha, and yet it came and began to expand throughout the country, it blossomed in a riotous color.
    10. 0
      27 July 2023 18: 30
      Kamrad U-58, "In the Red Army, there was no and could not beat the concept: "contract soldiers"
    11. +2
      27 July 2023 19: 57
      I will answer briefly. Legally, this is not feasible. To persuade people to contract is also a failed tactic. The army must be professional. The war showed that our army is not the one we were told about ... Alas ...
    12. 0
      28 July 2023 07: 05
      Of these 100-120 thousand, more than half will immediately quit, do not go to a fortune teller.
    13. +1
      30 July 2023 09: 08
      We don't have a red army. And there is no longer a socialist state.
  2. -10
    27 July 2023 05: 24
    The message seems to be correct, we need a victory, but a solution.
    1. We howl not only against the Nazis of Ukraine, but also against the Nazis of Europe. In Europe, they do not like Hitler, not because he is a Nazi, but because he lost.
    2. We are economically fighting against the Western model of the world.
    Conclusions.
    1. We will not destroy all the Nazis anyway. It's like crime, you have to fight it, but you can't destroy it. Therefore, as in the film "28 Panfilov's" we simply burn (burn as it is not in Russian) tanks.
    2. It is necessary to fight as it is now and not to transfer, except for specialized enterprises, the economy to a military footing. Since we will be able to destroy the Western economic model. And Asia and Africa and Latin America and Brazil are our helpers and allies here. And this is an achievable goal.

    PS. Again, what does the promised country have to do with it as an example. Israel exists on US military aid. A small country that behaves like an elephant in the china shop of the Arab states and Iran. If the US collapses, and this is a quite possible scenario after the breakdown of the Western model, the only chance to remain is Russia, and then only because there are many of our former and current citizens.
    1. +21
      27 July 2023 07: 31
      Quote: bya965
      We are economically fighting against the Western model of the world.

      Well, how to say, parallel import / export has not gone anywhere, trade continues ...
      Quote: bya965
      Since we will be able to destroy the Western economic model.

      And what is the "Western economic model"? And how does our economic "model" differ from the Western one? Just don't talk about LGBT people and dads number two, in the economic sense. Or has socialism flourished here imperceptibly for everyone?

      Quote: bya965
      It is necessary to fight as it is now and not to transfer, except for specialized enterprises, the economy to a military footing.

      Here, first of all, you need to understand why the fighting is going on. If for the fact that they were just going, then yes, there is no need to translate the economy. If for a complete victory with flags over Kiev, then there is no getting away from this.

      Quote: bya965
      And Asia and Africa and Latin America and Brazil are our helpers and allies here. And this is an achievable goal.

      Asia and Africa are there and as long as it is profitable for them, but with Latin America, in general, everything is difficult. The peoples would be happy to go for rapprochement with our country, but the local elites have been staring American capitalists in the mouth for a century and a half, so I would not be in a hurry to write them down as allies ...

      As for mobilizations, conscripts and contract soldiers: as I have written more than once before, it is impossible to do without an increase in the term of military service, up to two years. The first year is training and intensive training in the military specialty, the second is service / defense of the Motherland. Of course, I sometimes see 40-50 year old men in proper physical shape, but these are rather exceptions to the rule. I can’t believe that a person at the age of 20 and 50 will be able to carry a wounded man from the battlefield at the same speed, dig a trench, run ten kilometers with full combat gear, and then also quickly recover by the next day. Again, there are exceptions, but these are just exceptions. Therefore, I personally consider partial mobilization only a very temporary and not very effective means. Or we need a final victory, which means martial law, general mobilization and the transfer of the economy to war footing. Or we will do with half measures, then this should be done by professionals who are well trained and equipped, know what and how to do it with high quality ...
      1. man
        +17
        27 July 2023 07: 49
        Or has socialism flourished here imperceptibly for everyone?
        Even communism ... for those especially noted ...
      2. old
        +13
        27 July 2023 10: 34
        Or we need a final victory, which means martial law, general mobilization and the transfer of the economy to war footing. Or we will do with half measures, then this should be done by professionals who are well trained and equipped, know what and how to do it with high quality ...

        The transfer of the economy to a military footing has not yet happened, with professionals it was not very good before, and people buy equipment on their own. So both are either past. Apparently there is some third one that can only be seen from above. From the very top..
        1. +1
          30 July 2023 09: 32
          Everyone on the gun wants to lose theirs even faster. The state will not survive economically and then militarily. On Ukain, they will carry out as many graves as necessary to continue the war, and if not enough, other countries will fit in. They do not just finance Ukraine. So far, all that the authors have achieved is sacrifice and a deterioration in the standard of living. So many people were laid down that it makes no sense to talk about saving someone. One gets the impression that the leaders have goals that are different from those declared. It is enough to look at their way of life, how isolated they are from the people.
      3. +1
        27 July 2023 18: 37
        Doccor, regarding the increase in service life. Also, thank you for introducing 12 months. With EBN, in all seriousness, they offered: 5-7 months
      4. +5
        27 July 2023 20: 07
        I have several times described problems and scenarios on the resource that can solve the current impasse. The problem is that those at the top are well aware of the essence of the problem, but are not ready to solve it. The mobilization of everyone in a row is a repetition of the Khokhlyat attempts, which are now ending in the fields of Zaporozhye. If we continue to go the same way, then we will simply begin to lose people, who are already counted two times. The current government does not worry about the future of the nation, it gets out of the current alignments, which it itself created.
        Such as Kartapolov, what exactly did they give the country? And he offers to throw everyone into battle ...
    2. +20
      27 July 2023 07: 40
      Quote: bya965
      Israel exists on US military aid.

      A mossy cliche, easily refuted by numbers. The country's GDP is half a trillion, aid (4 billion) is less than 1% of this amount.

      Quote: bya965
      an elephant in a china shop in Arab states and Iran.

      Most of the Arab countries from this "shop" can be safely deleted, or rather, they deleted themselves from it by concluding a peace treaty with Israel.

      Quote: bya965
      If the US collapses, and this is a very possible scenario after the breakdown of the Western model, the only chance to stay is Russia

      Bredyatin. Second on the list is China, the second largest investor in the Israeli economy. They have long been probing the ground on the topic of withdrawing Israel into their orbit in the event of a weakening of the United States. But Israel doesn’t care what to fly on, on the F-35 or on the J-20, the filling and weapons still have their own.
      India and Brazil are in line behind China. Israel may well rivet military equipment for itself at their production facilities. Which he often does. For example, a fair part of the engines for Israeli air defense missiles is produced in India, at joint ventures.
      1. +8
        27 July 2023 08: 11
        A mossy cliche, easily refuted by numbers. The country's GDP is half a trillion, aid (4 billion) is less than 1% of this amount.

        It is necessary not only to look at the numbers, but also in fact what is hidden behind them. A banal example: there is a Merkava tank, like any tank, its heart is the engine. And the engine of the Merkava-4 is General Dynamics GD883 made in the USA. Israel has few types of weapons with a full production cycle. If the Americans close the aid, then it will not be possible to build any Merkavs in the near future, and aviation too. Do you know by the numbers the average salary in our country is 50+ thousand rubles, everything seems to be in openwork, but in fact many people receive such a salary?
        1. +8
          27 July 2023 09: 14
          Quote: T-100
          A banal example: there is a Merkava tank, like any tank, its heart is the engine. And the engine of the Merkava-4 is General Dynamics GD883 made in the USA. Israel has few types of weapons with a full production cycle.

          It's just a matter of economic feasibility.
          Technically, this is not a problem. Back in the 70s, Israel had a complete fighter assembly cycle, including licensed engines. Moreover, these factories have not gone away, they work, just in a different format.
          The key industries - machine tool building, the chemical industry and the production of microelectronics - will make it possible to create a full cycle in a couple of years, if necessary.
          Yes, it's expensive, but quite tolerable. Israel's defense budget today is 4.5% of GDP, and in the 60-70s it was 10-12%, reaching a peak of up to 30%, this did not bring down the economy.

          Quote: T-100
          If the Americans close the aid, then it will not be possible to build any Merkavs in the near future, and aviation too.

          You are confusing the lack of assistance and the embargo. $4 billion is 2% of the country's annual budget. Well, you have to buy all the same things, only with your hard-earned money, and so what? A nuisance, but far from a disaster.
          And the embargo is also not the end of the world, Israel has repeatedly been under an arms embargo, twice under a complete one.
          The Americans will not sell - the Chinese will sell.
          And to wait a year and a half before the mass production of localized copies at existing factories is not such a big problem with the available stock of equipment. A piece assembly exists today.

          The dependence of any country on the United States is directly related to the level of its subordination to this very United States. And the fact that the Americans don’t even blather particularly on the subject of Israel’s non-alignment with the anti-Russian movement, and silently wipe themselves off when Israel frankly sends them to the forest on certain issues, quite transparently hints at the real state of things, to anyone with brains.

          Quote: T-100
          Do you know by the numbers the average salary in our country is 50+ thousand rubles, everything seems to be in openwork, but in fact many people receive such a salary?

          Incorrect comparison, I'm talking about the final figures, the final amount, and you're talking about the average statistical indicator.
          Israel's annual GDP is half a trillion dollars, no matter how you twist it, it will not decrease.
        2. -14
          27 July 2023 12: 53
          Do you know by the numbers the average salary in our country is 50+ thousand rubles, everything seems to be in openwork, but in fact many people receive such a salary?

          In fact, I do not know of any such person in Moscow. Everyone gets more.
          1. -12
            27 July 2023 13: 32
            Do you know by the numbers the average salary in our country is 50+ thousand rubles, everything seems to be in openwork, but in fact many people receive such a salary?

            In fact, I do not know of any such person in Moscow. Everyone gets more.



            Here I was not too lazy to look.
            We have a handyman (go move the flower pot or the closer has fallen off and screw it on) the salary is 60K.
            The courier has 35 , but he's part-time.
            Below, no one has Uzbeks who do not work for us.
            I have everything in the department for 100K
            1. +13
              27 July 2023 13: 54
              Quote: bk316
              in Moscow

              Quote: bk316
              We have a handyman (go move the flower pot or the closer has fallen off and screw it on) the salary is 60K.

              And here, two hundred kilometers from Moscow, a handyman, loading ten tons a day, gets a thousand per shift. Those. a little over twenty a month.
              1. -4
                27 July 2023 16: 08

                And here, two hundred kilometers from Moscow, a handyman, loading ten tons a day, gets a thousand per shift. Those. a little over twenty a month.

                So I'm not arguing about you. I explain how the national average wage works. If the average for Moscow is 100K, the workers are 15 lyams, the average for the country WITHOUT MOSCOW 30 is 100 lyams, then the average for the country is more than 50K.
                Therefore, referring to the average salary is meaningless. You need at least the median salary.
                But there is still a difference between wages and income, and there is still a difference between the income of workers and the income of citizens (I'm talking about children in the family).

                Therefore, no matter how much you minus, the truth is that VTsIOM is not lying to you, you simply do not understand the meaning of its statements.
                1. +7
                  27 July 2023 16: 33
                  the truth is that VTsIOM is not lying to you, you simply do not understand the meaning of its statements.

                  the ability to make a lie as close to the truth as possible is what we have become adept at learning from respected partners. And you're right, it's kind of not a lie if you look at letters under a microscope in court, who meant what and what each comma means if you look into the directory. Similar to small print on ads. It seems that they told the truth, but so everyone made only incorrect conclusions.
            2. +5
              27 July 2023 20: 19
              The well-fed does not understand the hungry. 50 thousand (not like a hundred!) a month is a dream in the Donbass and Crimea for the average commoner! Unrealizable, until the said salary is brought to the minimum subsistence level by galloping inflation (which, quite possibly, is not far off).
            3. +1
              27 July 2023 22: 13
              Quote: bk316

              Here I was not too lazy to look.
              We have a handyman (go move the flower pot or the closer has fallen off and screw it on) the salary is 60K.
              The courier has 35 , but he's part-time.
              Below, no one has Uzbeks who do not work for us.
              I have everything in the department for 100K
              Rђ RІRѕS, salary 105 rubles per hour ... with education and experience (not Uzbek...)
              There are allowances - but today there are, and tomorrow ...? - clean on hands rolls over 20K, but up to 30K far ...
              Russia is a big country...
              sad
          2. +11
            27 July 2023 13: 44
            My wife gets far less than 50k, as do many of her acquaintances. In any case, clean, but taking into account premiums. Although most of my friends receive from 50 to 100 thousand. Of course, there are more, but less often. There are people in Moscow who have many hundreds of thousands a month, or even millions. Just not among my friends. The stratification in terms of salaries and other incomes in Moscow is very large.
            1. -7
              27 July 2023 16: 12
              My wife gets much less than 50k.

              And my wife generally gets 0, because she does not work. laughing

              But you must admit that anyone who wants to find a job in Moscow from 50K and above will find 100% and for this you do not need to be a programmer or a dentist.

              Just not among my friends

              Meet me, I get hundreds of thousands, not 2 and not 3. belay My deputies are similar.
              1. +1
                28 July 2023 09: 54
                Are you talking about a salary of ten thousand a day and ten years after a couple of months of work?
              2. +2
                28 July 2023 09: 55
                Meet me, I get hundreds of thousands, not 2 and not 3. belay My deputies are the same.

                Name and place of work in the studio
        3. +1
          27 July 2023 23: 09
          50 thousand are considered “openwork” in 23. Perhaps you should refresh the needs of today's youth.
      2. 0
        27 July 2023 18: 53
        You think wrong. Half a trillion for everything. Health care, education, construction, roads, etc.
        And four lard is only for armament.
        Therefore, it is more accurate to compare how much of half a trillion Israel spends on weapons and then compare with four lard.
      3. 0
        27 July 2023 21: 27
        Quote: And Us Rat
        A mossy cliche, easily refuted by numbers. The country's GDP is half a trillion, aid (4 billion) is less than 1% of this amount.

        But the number is still significant. If you look at Israel's defense spending.
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Most of the Arab countries from this "shop" can be safely deleted, or rather, they deleted themselves from it by concluding a peace treaty with Israel.

        I think you yourself understand what these contracts are worth.
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Bredyatin. Second on the list is China, the second largest investor in the Israeli economy.

        And Israel can wait until there is a balance between the US and China and organize its non-aligned movement. laughing
    3. +16
      27 July 2023 09: 35
      Lord. Again, if only if only. The United States will collapse, the Western economy will burst, Africa will help us. And think with your head, don’t? The strength of Their economies (in the West) is much stronger both technologically, financially, and simply in terms of volume). They need a year or two and they will surpass our military-industrial complex in volume. bowing at the feet of the West from marked to GDP (the latter may have realized, but only the train left)
      1. +14
        27 July 2023 10: 18
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Lord. Again, if only if only. The United States will collapse, the Western economy will burst, Africa will help us.

        Let people dream. laughing

        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Think with your head, don't you?

        It has never been a popular occupation for the vast majority of mankind. Delegating the thought process into the hands of "shepherds" is much easier.

        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        You can not drag out the war for this time.

        Namely, this is what the West is trying to impose. It's like 1+1.
        But what are the options for today? Well, except for nuclear armageddon. request

        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        "Hi" to all the leaders of the country who bowed at the feet of the West

        And how will it help now? Guilty to look for is not a tricky idea. To do what?
        1. +3
          27 July 2023 12: 57
          Destroy transport logistics and 750kV transformers. Destroy the military-political leadership of Ukraine. And then new leadership. And if there are such suicide bombers, then those who will replace the latter.
          + Carpet bombing of cities like Artemovsk!
        2. 0
          27 July 2023 21: 32
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Namely, this is what the West is trying to impose. It's like 1+1.

          It's a difficult question. We are not really the main target. The main target is China.
          Quote: And Us Rat
          But what are the options for today? Well, except for nuclear armageddon.

          Under capitalism, there are no options.
          Quote: And Us Rat
          To do what?

          To go with the flow. Armageddon is inevitable. By the way, for you too.
          1. +1
            29 July 2023 04: 10
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            It's a difficult question. We are not really the main target. The main target is China.

            I applaud standing! At least someone understands this.

            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Under capitalism, there are no options.

            In its current form - definitely not, but this cannot be changed by force, a global change in the cultural paradigm is needed.

            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            By the way, for you too.

            Not really. Even if you and the Yankees burn each other, the northern hemisphere dies out to Turkey, our radiation situation will be bad, but not catastrophic. The neighbors will be worse, they are not ready for this, unlike us. But in the long run, the country will survive. Moreover, the absence of "big brothers" and Western liberalism will free up more radical methods of dealing with external threats. Israel in such a world would be the undisputed technological leader and the most powerful nuclear power on the planet. In this situation, even the most stubborn enemies will come to bow.
            1. 0
              30 July 2023 16: 35
              Quote: And Us Rat
              Not really.

              In fact, neither you nor anyone else will be able to become neutral Switzerland. So the only thing I see for you and for us is to dig deeper into the bunkers. It is a pity that everything is going to this, but humanity has not been able to communism, so it was predictable.
        3. -1
          27 July 2023 23: 15
          There is another option - to steal Zelensky.
          Missing from information the noise of their president will noticeably undermine the coherence of their population.

          It's not easier, but it's clearly safer than nuclear war.
        4. 0
          4 August 2023 04: 13
          With our “we don’t leave our own” it’s a very tricky undertaking .. And without searching, and most importantly, punishing the guilty, mistakes and crimes will only be repeated endlessly, although we don’t have time to lie forever.
    4. +9
      27 July 2023 12: 49
      The country needs to be developed.
      Since the beginning of the NMD, defense enterprises have been bankrupted and destroyed. Instead of building our own UAV production facilities, we buy from China.
      We do not produce more or less modern processors for industry and the military.
      The troops do not have modern communications, and the one that is bought by volunteers.
      So how are we going to live? Technology resources in industry for 3-4 years. And then it will sprinkle. What are we going to change.
      Where are our machines, controllers, cnc, etc., etc.
      1. +11
        27 July 2023 13: 21
        Quote: Sergey_Bely
        So how are we going to live?
        Maybe that's how it was originally intended? We had all the cards in our hands, and if we could take the whole of Ukraine, we would have had enough forces and means by the time Yanukovych asked for help in 2014. Next, I will repeat what has already been said.
        We had the legitimate president of Ukraine and his prime minister, there was an official appeal for help from Yanukovych (registered with the UN). At a minimum, Russia could demand an all-Ukrainian referendum, and could immediately recognize the referendums in the Donbass, and not just in Crimea, as legal. Next, referendums would begin in the entire south-east of Ukraine, if our government had supported the "Russian Spring". Finally, quite legally, according to all the norms of international law, Russia could start the NWO immediately, when Yanukovych asked for help. Alas, our government has done everything to ensure that Crimea becomes an annexation for the world community, and NVO in 2022 an aggression.
        They chewed snot for a long 8 years, while Russians were killed in the Donbass, and Nazism was strengthened.
        Like children, our authorities, loyal to their "partners", were deceived first under the Minsk agreements, then under the Istanbul agreements, then under the grain deal ... Now one of the conditions for us to return to the grain deal is to resume pumping ammonia again. Selfish interests of our oligarchs are in the first place. The eccentric who allegedly sent money to Ukraine to help the Armed Forces of Ukraine is facing 20 years in prison, he must understand that the fact that our government paid the Nazis for the transit of gas and ammonia was spent on buying flowers, not weapons. There is no end in sight to the war, so indeed, let's wait for Ukraine to join NATO. By the way, you can not recognize Finland and NATO in NATO, for example, as well as Sweden in the future, you can declare endless "red lines" ...
        Probably, the truth is that before the Maidan in Kiev, the sample of 2014, there was a "Maidan" in Moscow, in 1991, when the same unconstitutional coup took place, when three drunks from Belovezhskaya Pushcha independently sentenced a great country to collapse, and renegade shifters, as if by notes, fulfilled all the tasks of the CIA and the US State Department. Here we have what we have.
        1. +6
          27 July 2023 14: 58
          And perhaps it was not conceived, but those responsible were engaged in other issues. Like Colonel Zakharchenko and the head of the rear of the army, who did not have 1,5 million sets of uniforms.
          Officials in high positions are often engaged in obtaining third-party financial profits instead of direct duties. But society cannot ask.
          You saw the last 2 direct lines with the president. Have you heard the level of adequacy of the questions?
          And if any generals try to express their opinion about the problems of the army, they will leave for Syria one day.
          1. +7
            27 July 2023 17: 19
            Quote: Sergey_Bely
            Officials in high positions are often engaged in obtaining third-party financial profits instead of direct duties.

            Sergey, this is how our Russia became a cash cow for the oligarchs and officials, this is the main thing for them. After Yeltsin, under which everything frankly fell apart, we now have an emphasis on holidays and fireworks, like powder, on the dull achievements of capitalism. Plus, speculation on the victory in the Second World War, to which our bourgeois have nothing to do. Against the background of their ingenious "blitzkrieg" on Kiev, the Finnish war of the USSR looks like a triumph, and it ended faster, and, we got Karelia, we pushed the border away from Leningrad.
            The President and the media... I will repeat what has already been said.
            There is no end in sight to the war in Ukraine, with an artificially created positional dead end and behind-the-scenes agreements. The president is asked by journalists about the SVO, future plans, and he only agrees to answer "not on camera" ... Peskov's press secretary, instead of constantly working with the press, answering questions and clarifying positions, appears on TV channels in the form of a splash screen of his photo and monologue phone records. It is just right for such a "press secretary" to find a secretary and send him to work instead of himself.
            This absurdity in politics and military operations, as a continuation of politics, litmus of co-operation, lost time and missed opportunities.

            We "haven't even started yet", but it's high time to start. Stocks from the Soviet arsenals will run out, what will we do with the optimized military-industrial complex and destroyed production facilities?
            The West is shaking, but the power of the economy of Europe and the United States is incomparable with the power that we have left in comparison with the industry of the Soviet Union.
            You say that - “Maybe it wasn’t conceived, but the responsible ones were engaged in other issues.”... Not for that, the masters of world capitalism of the USSR destroyed and bought their henpecked people in Russia for bourgeois "jam jar" and "pack of cookies".
            It is high time to understand that what Yeltsin did was a coup d'etat, after which Russia was flooded with agents of the West. What happened in Ukraine in 2014 is the same color revolution. Only one significant nuance distinguishes everything - Russia is the only country in the world that is guaranteed to destroy the United States. This is the number one problem for the West, and this is a problem for their servants in Russia, because of which it is impossible to openly surrender the country without causing a riot, both among the people and in the army.
            Maybe this belated SVO (it should have started in 2014) was launched in order to bleed Russia in frontal attacks, to use up all the reserves, and then to make the final gesture of "good will" on the conditions of the West.
            The Anglo-Saxon "reptilians" must be given their due, the Soviet Union fell, and now, in fact, the Russians are killing Russians to the delight of this satanic evil spirits.
      2. 0
        27 July 2023 23: 17
        Since the beginning of SVO? Maybe from the beginning of the Russian Federation? Otherwise, we would not have bought underpants for the guys from the front.
  3. -13
    27 July 2023 05: 37
    Is mobilization necessary? This is a question. Because there weren’t enough people from the beginning of this operation, for example, the surrender of the Kharkov region, when the ranks of our army were fairly ordered after six months of fighting.
    Prepared reserves should always be available.
    Now there is time to really select Personnel who sit at home do not work.
    1. +9
      27 July 2023 12: 35
      Need is unnecessary .... they arranged a chamomile, the grandmaster voiced it himself, he doesn’t know what we are doing ... where is our Reichstag? what are our goals? .... and from here we already set tasks ... and somehow we all through ...
    2. +5
      27 July 2023 14: 32
      In our country, there are 5-6 million security guards of the Central Bank, warehouses and other junk, + 2,5 million of the National Guard, which is busy with incomprehensible things. If the National Guard was pulled up a little at the level of 10%, then this is strange, because. in every major city there is a regiment of teaching staff, with a minimum of 1,5-4 thousand people, or even two. It was possible in 2 weeks to issue an order to second 250 thousand for garrison service. If you dig, you don’t need to call on anyone, you need to scold those who are already serving and receive sickly benefits for this.
      1. +13
        27 July 2023 14: 53
        Well, judging by the numbers inside, there is a worse enemy than the outside. Moreover, the National Guard receives heavy equipment, which means the enemy is serious.
        1. +3
          27 July 2023 20: 39
          Yes, much more seriously. There are more and more people dissatisfied with the authorities (despite the grandiose patriotic campaign in the media) among the common people, with whom, in which case, batons and gas grenades are unlikely to help.
        2. +3
          28 July 2023 09: 57
          Well, judging by the numbers inside, there is a worse enemy than the outside. Moreover, the National Guard receives heavy equipment, which means the enemy is serious.

          Insidious and dangerous!
      2. +2
        27 July 2023 16: 21
        In general, in the realities of our God-protected country, the Russian Guard has other functions. Protect the authorities from supporters of the American agent Navalny. Well, or at worst, just to suppress any internal protest.
  4. +8
    27 July 2023 05: 43
    Israel has a conscription army. This country would not have pulled a contract army. Everything can be done if it becomes clear to the people. The threat of a "big war" is never voiced. Either we will have to defend our country, or go to other people's Palestinians. And there is a significant difference here. The patriotic spirit is higher there, where someone else's boot stepped on the country. And it doesn’t matter what country it is. There is a very big difference between contractors and professionals. A professional always skillfully does his job. its pagons will remain intact.
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    2. +13
      27 July 2023 06: 37
      The concept of a contract army of super counters, rembo and other super specialists, sorry, is not just dead, it already stinks. Not only that, at the beginning of the database, part of the counters fled in different directions (like five hundredths), but the number is small and normal density of troops cannot be created.
      Well, how did the database drag on so the fighters who previously served urgently were needed, and if there weren’t these fighters, then what? Hire mercenaries in foreign countries? So we need a general conscription service. Yes, and for what reason conscripts are not attracted, for example, in the rear areas to the same commandant's service, it is not clear. Conscripts may well perform the tasks of the Russian Guard in the rear.
      1. +6
        27 July 2023 06: 48
        I note that the mercenaries did appear. And we have heard a lot about them.
        1. -1
          27 July 2023 14: 26
          Every soldier going to the service, first of all, takes upon himself the duty to die for the Motherland, and not to kill for money. This is the difference between a defender and a mercenary.
          1. +3
            27 July 2023 23: 28
            Very funny. As mentioned above, it's enough to put the topic of patriotism at the forefront. People take out a mortgage in order to receive a payment at death and pay for it for the family. Patriotism :)

            If mobilization is announced, this is the end for the country. Everything, we are already at the bottom, we will fall down in general already from the point of view of the population.

            The first wave and so lived barely. Many were sitting on their suitcases, trying to leave. At the second - leave.

            After that, there will be no less hatred for their country than Ukrainians have for us. The electorate will be flushed down the toilet. Only "patriots" will remain, who are gradually dying out, because more active young people who read not only our media, and so look at the whole current situation, gritting their teeth.
          2. +1
            29 July 2023 04: 15
            Quote: kreck
            Every soldier going to the service, first of all, takes upon himself the duty to die for the Motherland, and not to kill for money. This is the difference between a defender and a mercenary.

            It doesn't take much to die for one's country. A soldier goes to defend his homeland, and whether he dies or not, is a secondary question. This is the task of the military system, to create conditions for the soldier to have the maximum chance of returning alive, having completed the task.
            The task of a soldier is not to die for his homeland, but to make the enemy die for his own.
      2. +8
        27 July 2023 13: 01
        And why wasn’t the National Guard sent instead of the mobilized welders from the factory? And in place of the National Guard, you can attract voluntary squads of factory workers.
        The security forces themselves chose the path of wars, so good luck to them on the battlefield.
        1. +3
          27 July 2023 20: 53
          Voluntary squads will have to be armed, and where is the guarantee that the squads will strike at the instigation of the authorities to disperse their own brethren - the workers who will come out to some kind of protest (if they are brought to this), and not join them? All the same, the security forces are also sent to the front line, but this undertaking is most likely of a symbolic nature: someone must protect the authorities! And to guard competently.
    3. +10
      27 July 2023 07: 58
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Israel has a conscription army. This country would not have pulled a contract army.

      I would pull money. Conscripts receive cash allowances and substantial severance pay, and reservists receive reimbursement for missed pay.
      The question here is the amount of available mobilization resources. Although in the last 10 years more and more conscripts are sent home due to lack of demand.
      Well, the tradition itself. The army (in Israel) is a serious stage in the formation of a person, a forge of personnel, one might say. The naked eye can see the changes in young people during the service, youngsters are called up with the wind in their heads, and serious, responsible and enterprising young people are returning.
    4. +5
      27 July 2023 09: 12
      Have you heard that literally thousands of Israeli reservists, despite all their patriotism, refuse to go to work in connection with the attack of the Right government on their democratic rights and freedoms?
      1. +6
        27 July 2023 10: 43
        Quote from Escariot
        thousands of Israeli reservists, despite all their patriotism, refuse to go to work in connection with the attack of the Right government on their democratic rights and freedoms?

        Service is a flexible concept. They refuse to go to training camps, in case of war they will come, do not even hesitate.
        1. +3
          27 July 2023 14: 32
          Service is a flexible concept.

          There are several ways to train and educate combat units.
          Ordinary meat, which the state calls with a proud word - a soldier, is first qualitatively intimidated. Threatened with long terms of prison and disbat, after which, briefly, and this is if you are lucky to be in an intelligent combat unit with intelligent officers, they teach primitive combat techniques. Depending on the specifics, the type of troops and the place in the strategic and tactical position.
          The principle “there are more of us, then we will win” works here. Losses? Spit! Women are fools, they will cry and still give birth. Those who sit in comfortable and expensive chairs, in fact, do not care about cannon fodder. They are not even people for them - just numbers. One hundred thousand died, but won a piece of land? Fine. We won. Distribute the land to the elect, who undoubtedly deserve it, commanding from their chairs. And all those who died - pathetically and with sadness on a high brow to award tin "gold" stars. Posthumously.
          There is also another school. This is special forces or highly specialized officers. It doesn't matter what they specialize in. Artillery, aviation, tactics of conducting tank battles or sabotage in the deep rear. These guys are awesome and appreciated. They intimidate, like meat, driving them into the framework of subordination, but they also beckon with a gingerbread. Career growth, early and significant pensions, rise above ordinary people, more opportunities than the latter to achieve their goals. All this is richly seasoned with patriotism, money and promises.
          The third school is mercenaries and fanatics. The first have even forgotten what the Motherland means and the value of human life. All life for them is war and the subsequent feast on blood. Adrenaline addicts and, often, regular addicts. But they only live when they kill. At this time, they feel like the masters of other people's destinies. However, this does not negate the fact that they are also mortal, and they can only mock and dominate over poorly trained and young cannon fodder.
          Meeting with specialists for them usually ends in failure, because the motivation is different. After the battle, the mercenary tends to go to a brothel, continue drinking and having sex with a dozen corrupt whores, and the specialist wants to return home. To the family. Therefore, instead of drinking, he goes to the training ground and hones his skills. So that the wife waits, and the mother does not cry at the grave. Yes, it's good for your career.
          However, the bullet does not care about the whole inner world of the soul and essence of man. It tears the inner world of the organism and sends it to the forefathers. In the worst case, it leaves a stump of human destiny from a powerful combat unit. Up to the ears filled with alcohol.
          Fanatics are a separate issue. Being brainwashed makes them fearless. In the name of Allah, Cthulhu, Yahweh or another idol, they are ready to do anything. True, usually their skills do not reach either specialists or mercenaries. Zombie a strong and strong-willed personality is almost impossible. And others can not achieve significant heights. All they have is frostbite, lack of self-preservation instincts and absolute self-righteousness.
          Each school or method has its own advantages and disadvantages. Specialists and mercenaries still want to live and they have something to strive for in peacetime. Therefore, they prefer to shoot from cover, without rushing into crazy attacks.
          Fanatics feel immortal, but their task is not to hone their skills, but simply to die at the behest of the prophet. And preferably not alone, but taking more innocents to intimidate the infidels. True, no one says that usually such stocks are calculated to drop other stocks. On the exchange. All honest Prophets in this business are very flogged and have offshore accounts from sums with a long string of ones and zeros. And they also willingly accept orders from other prophets who sit in offices at the top of life.
    5. +8
      27 July 2023 14: 35
      In Israel, a civilian career is impossible without military service. That says it all. And in our country, a career is more likely to be difficult if you served as a conscript, and even crazy feminists from the FIU cut off the term of conscription from retirement service.
  5. +23
    27 July 2023 06: 03
    Well?
    Was the author afraid to say "B"?
    To say that without ideology we die?

    Moreover, ideology should permeate society and the state through and through.
    All our "partners" have an ideology.

    Many clearly traitors continue to occupy high positions, privatizers and bandits from the 90s continue to change the people's property for candy wrappers.
    Stupid appointees continue to steal instead of developing production. Visitors also spit on local customs, traditions and laws. A significant part of the state and society lives as if there is no battle with the West.

    Why the authorities do almost nothing in this direction is a separate question. Can not? Hardly. Rather, he does not want sudden movements, as long as there is hope to do without repression. It's very hard to brake the flywheel.
    But something needs to be done. Today now.
    1. +10
      27 July 2023 06: 44
      Why does the country live as if nothing had happened?
      There is an answer, but it is "uninteresting", in the sense, disappointing.
      The government wants stability. First of all, for yourself, for your position.
      The introduction of a "special period" regime, martial law, general mobilization, food rationing cards, etc., will shake, irritate, and embitter society. The vertical of power will sway, while the Great Mighty Cliff, the Sparkling Fight with One Foot in the Sky, Living Until the Machines Disappear, will experience the greatest amplitude.
      Therefore, the mobilization of society (in the broadest sense) does not occur.
      1. +8
        27 July 2023 07: 00
        I'm afraid that the reason is much worse (no independence, goals opposite to those declared)
      2. +5
        27 July 2023 07: 41
        Then why did they start the NWO if they need stability? I think they are opposite concepts.
        1. Eug
          +13
          27 July 2023 11: 25
          It was believed that an easy victory would strengthen THEIR stability. But - the realities turned out to be the opposite of Wishlist. And now there is only one way out for THEM - victory (or its fairly reliable imitation), otherwise "stability" will disappear ...
      3. +5
        27 July 2023 07: 44
        Quote: U-58
        The vertical of power will sway, while the Great Mighty Cliff, the Sparkling Fight with One Foot in the Sky, Living Until the Machines Disappear, will experience the greatest amplitude.

        I really liked it even though I didn't understand anything. wassat explain to me, stupid, plz
      4. +3
        27 July 2023 11: 21
        Quote: U-58
        Why does the country live as if nothing had happened?
        There is an answer, but it is "uninteresting", in the sense, disappointing.
        The government wants stability. First of all, for yourself, for your position.
        The introduction of a "special period" regime, martial law, general mobilization, food rationing cards, etc., will shake, irritate, and embitter society. The vertical of power will sway, while the Great Mighty Cliff, the Sparkling Fight with One Foot in the Sky, Living Until the Machines Disappear, will experience the greatest amplitude.
        Therefore, the mobilization of society (in the broadest sense) does not occur.

        Because for those fucking trillions, no "own" would be required.
        And what does the people have to do with these assholes?
    2. +4
      27 July 2023 07: 14
      Moreover, ideology should permeate society and the state through and through.
      All our "partners" have an ideology.

      I wonder what kind of ideologies do our "partners" have that are different from the Russian one?
      In all these countries there is a capitalist system. Therefore, they all have the same ideology.
      ...Capitalism is a political, social and economic philosophy and ideology based on private property, legal equality and freedom of enterprise. The main criterion for making economic decisions is the desire to increase capital, to make a profit ...
      1. +2
        27 July 2023 07: 52
        Quote: AA17
        I wonder what kind of ideologies do our "partners" have that are different from the Russian one?

        capitalist states are always at war with each other, what does ideology have to do with it?..... Today's war is a biological process - where biological life fights non-biological (transnational corporations). Corporations are winning.
        Another thing is that the herd (herd) survival instinct, the terminal stage of which was socialism, has almost disappeared among people in Russia. This is a problem
        1. +1
          27 July 2023 12: 27
          capitalist states always fight among themselves, what does ideology have to do with it?.....

          Dear, war is
          one of the components of the ideology of the capitalist state. War is the continuation of the economic policy of the state in a violent way. The destruction of competing states in order to become the dominant player in a particular market.
          States fight among themselves to achieve better conditions for profit.
          The main criterion for making economic decisions is the desire to increase capital, to make a profit ...
          1. +1
            27 July 2023 19: 57
            Quote: AA17
            Dear, war is
            one of the components of the ideology of the capitalist state. War is a continuation of the economic policy of the state
            I also read Lenin, "Imperialism as the last hundred ...." a well-known book. My post was about something else. Ideology. There is an individualistic ideology and there is a social ideology. This is when the leader of the pack takes on the main enemy, when the father protects the family, when the warriors protect the camp, when the social unit has to sacrifice itself for the sake of the whole society. In our society, the ideology of consumption of goods is imposed. This is precisely the ideology! its mouthpiece is advertising, which, like religion, puts a person in the position of insignificance, the sacred idol of which is Luxury. And we have not developed an alternative to this Western misfortune. There is no such state structure that would develop a correct, socially oriented ideology, where the criterion of effectiveness would not be individual luxury, but, for example, a contribution to the conquest of space, because the history of Mankind is finite.
    3. +4
      27 July 2023 08: 27
      Quote: VicktorVR
      Moreover, ideology should permeate society and the state through and through.

      Easier said than done. It is easy to come up with an ideology, but it is difficult to carry it to the masses, especially if the masses themselves do not want any ideology. The people in the Russian Federation have simply lost the habit of ideology, because freedom from ideology, whatever one may say, is also a kind of freedom, and they are extremely reluctant to part with freedoms. Propaganda of any ideology will initially be met with cynicism and sarcasm from an entire generation born and raised free of ideology. After all, the absence of ideology sharpens critical thinking.
      This generation will perceive it as an attempt to zombify. Especially the intellectual and educated part of this generation, purely out of the habit of thinking independently. And they are the main locomotive of a high-tech civilization, you won’t get far on locksmiths and loaders alone.
      So the problem is far from trivial. And not the fact that it is generally achievable. Even at the beginning of the 20th century, with the almost universal denseness of the population, it took 15 years and one civil war for the people to believe in socialism.
      In the age of the Internet, such a thing is not even worth dreaming of. How to inspire modern schoolchildren with ideological postulates, if they immediately climb to check their consistency in independent sources?
      Here, at least, it will be necessary to rethink the whole concept of ideological propaganda in the direction of rationalism, which in turn will give rise to its own limitations, you can no longer sell a pig in a poke to the people.
      Here you need to think hard.
      1. +1
        27 July 2023 10: 42
        Quote: And Us Rat
        The people in the Russian Federation have simply lost the habit of ideology, because freedom from ideology, whatever one may say, is also a kind of freedom, and they are extremely reluctant to part with freedoms.

        Quote: And Us Rat
        Here you need to think hard.

        Great post! It's a pity, I can only put one "plus" hi
      2. +4
        27 July 2023 12: 35
        The people in the Russian Federation are corny weaned from ideology, ...

        Respected.
        We have an ideology and it is fully consistent with a state with a capitalist system - this is the desire to increase capital, to make a profit in any way.
        1. 0
          27 July 2023 23: 48
          This is a great working ideology. Only it clearly does not coincide with the ideas of the rulers, otherwise there would be no own.
      3. +4
        27 July 2023 12: 57
        strong thinking will be greatly helped by a life in which parasites have devoured and rotted everything that is possible. And when the consequences touch everyone's skin, it will greatly contribute to a simple epiphany that in order to survive, parasites must be ruthlessly cleaned out. And there will be those who will clothe the simple principles of the survival of society in an ideology understandable to everyone who has come into contact directly or indirectly with the consequences of this parasitism. In order to delay these insights, the reality of pink ponies is formed with all its might, where everything is more stable than ever. But this is only a short delay, judging by the development of the situation.
      4. 0
        27 July 2023 20: 06
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Propaganda of any ideology will initially be met with cynicism and sarcasm from an entire generation born and raised free of ideology.

        when it becomes obvious that the survival of man as a species is at stake, there will be no special sarcasm. Because if you look a couple of generations ahead, it becomes obvious raw material hunger and banal wars for resources.
    4. -1
      27 July 2023 09: 24
      And who said that there is no ideology now? Ideology is a kind of formalized worldview. Now everyone in our country is in favor of the "Russian World", they talk about our invincible army, about the fact that we are in the ring of enemies, about the fact that the people and the army are united, heaps of military museums glorifying past victories, even the temple of the armed forces was rebuilt, etc. .
      Or do you need these trends to be legislated in the constitution?
      Well, the fact that the work to bring this ideology to the people is now being carried out by not quite qualified specialists in the form of bandits of the 90s and stupid appointees has nothing to do with ideology itself as a system of worldview ideas.
      1. +19
        27 July 2023 09: 54
        The ideology of the Russian world (without quotes) is included in propaganda when it is necessary to crow something patriotic and is completely absent for the authorities where it comes to the wallet of its representatives. If the Russian world is the extinction of a million a year, the dominance of banks and oligarchs and the impoverishment of the rest, the "optimization" of medicine, education, industry, the army and the collection of money in "welfare funds" where money is frozen to prevent them from developing the country and then also withdrawn by "respected Western partners". Are these all cases confirming the Russian world from propaganda? We carry it as a light to other fraternal and potentially sympathetic peoples? So they already have a similar (by results) own Ukrainian/Moldovan and other world. Where local bankers and oligarchs, tied to the control centers of the metropolis, do the same. Do not deceive yourself by calling on the poster the Russian world a content completely alien to this world, as they called a 100% Chinese car Moskvich. But at our top people love to "deceive" so much. It is not clear how such "naive" people got there.
        1. -1
          27 July 2023 10: 13
          Well, here is such an ideology. Moreover, those who go against her are waiting for either the status of an foreign agent or an article for discrediting. Igor Vsevolodovich will not let you lie.
          Or by the word Ideology do you mean exclusively some particular ideology, and do you not consider the rest of the "Ideology" to be ideology?
          1. +7
            27 July 2023 10: 20
            This ideology already has the name Parasitism. There is no need to call it the Russian world. The Russian world is about something else.
            1. -2
              27 July 2023 10: 26
              Well, that's your opinion. Other people, incl. exposed by the authorities may have a different opinion on this issue. Or did you naively think that the state was OBLIGED to adopt exactly your correct "Russian world", and not "the Russian world is parasitism"? welcome to reality
              1. +2
                27 July 2023 10: 35
                welcome to reality

                Whoa! Teacher Neo detected.
            2. +3
              27 July 2023 15: 51
              The Russian world is about something else.

              please enlighten.
              otherwise, it’s just that some cities are already noticeably distinguished by poorly speaking Russian migrants with fresh passports, and teachers in schools at two rates do not have time to sell their time at a low price.
              1. +5
                27 July 2023 16: 24
                Yes, all here is the talk on the site and about this too. The Russian world is about justice. Oh, live yourself and let others live for those who have something with an overabundance. About the fact that the land on which you were born and raised and for which your ancestors generously paid with their blood is the motherland (or the Motherland to whomever is closer) that must be protected. And this includes both respect for the warrior standing in its defense and respect for the nature of this land and the need to protect it from being sold or destroyed for the sake of dough by constantly born rats in human form. This is the education in people of both respect for people and the ability to protect their world both physically and informationally. These are, among other things, the very "clamps" about which both all sorts of non-brother mankurts and our propagandists have already wiped their feet more than once ... with their indefatigable cover-up of parasitic reality by them. And the bonds are simple - love for your children, for your people, respect for your parents, love for your homeland. The desire to make her better and not dump her because somewhere her ass is warmer. And a lot more that every Russian person can add by looking into his soul and to which every anti-Russian person will have a gag reflex.
          2. +3
            27 July 2023 17: 25
            As I hear ideology or propaganda from every iron, this is the fight against fascism celebrating May 9 all year ... and parent one parent two is not our bond ... any impoverishment, degradation and isolation can be attributed to this patriotism
      2. +8
        27 July 2023 11: 34
        This is not an ideology; not a "formed worldview", but simply a propaganda cover for use among the masses - a "picture" on a poster, and not a "picture of the world." For some reason, I don’t see the orderly ranks of “United Russia” marching with a marching step, with a rifle on their shoulder, to defend this ideology with weapons in their hands and carry it around the planet. If this is an ideology, then it has nothing to do with them.
        1. -3
          27 July 2023 15: 41
          Well, here is such a bad and worthless Ideology. And where did you get the idea that there should be just a good efficient Ideology, which you will like?
      3. +1
        27 July 2023 15: 28
        Have you noticed what is shown on TV?
        I included the first time in half a year: 70% bandits and corrupt policemen, still stupid policemen and a few heroic policemen, 15% of the program about how our ancestors heroically won the Second World War, 5% - programs "below the belt", the rest advertising.
        Please explain to me why all sorts of patriotic directors like Mikhalkov do not make uplifting films about welders, mechanics, engineers, production managers.
        And then these patriotic directors shoot programs where they tell me that we have a blackie on TV. And with their personal wealth and connections, they are not ready to shoot and promote the filming of films about the work of a simple person who keeps the country!
        1. +2
          29 July 2023 04: 41
          Quote: Sergey_Bely
          Please explain to me why all sorts of patriotic directors like Mikhalkov do not make uplifting films about welders, mechanics, engineers, production managers.
          And then these patriotic directors shoot programs where they tell me that we have a blackie on TV. And with their personal wealth and connections, they are not ready to shoot and promote the filming of films about the work of a simple person who keeps the country!

          Because in modern realities, it will look like a particularly cynical mockery.
          Whatever teenagers want to become these locksmiths, welders and engineers, they should not see that those working in these professions barely make ends meet and live from hand to mouth.
          For the sake of analogy:
          You can make a thousand films about the benefits, such as manure. But it is worth smelling it once and 99% will draw conclusions on this, and not on advertising films.
          Simply put, in order for simple work to be prestigious, it must provide a decent life.
      4. +3
        27 July 2023 20: 08
        Quote from Escariot
        Ideology is a kind of formalized worldview.

        According to Marx, ideology is what reconciles palaces with squares.
    5. +2
      27 July 2023 11: 43
      To say that without ideology we die?
      - the country has an ideology. The truth is, you don't like it. A holy place is never empty, the vacuum is filled. There is an ideology, and this is the very ideology that is not voiced. But it shines through in all the politics of power.
    6. +7
      27 July 2023 14: 44
      To say that without ideology we die?

      We have built far from the best society. I would even say disgusting. Our girls dream of becoming keepers, and the boys for happiness believe to get a job as a manager in a large company, which is essentially the same thing. The measure of success was not what a person did, but how much he earned. For forty years we have become consumers. Why drag humanity to happiness against its will? Everyone has a personal stall and a trough with grub, and the most successful stall is covered with gold and a bunch of prize heifers. In this situation, there will be orphanages that do not have normal food, and nursing homes that will be burned along with the inhabitants only to save money. In addition, this is a dead end path of development. Another ten, maximum twenty years will pass, and we will simply be erased, as if nothing had happened. And those who erase us will not spare either our old people or our children and women. They just come and take everything they need, and the rest they pile up and set on fire. In our place, perhaps, new young shoots will sprout. Those who are ready to fight and die in the name of so-called ideals, and not for money. And perhaps not.
    7. 0
      27 July 2023 21: 51
      Why is there no ideology in Russia? There is, of course there is! Even in the era of "developed socialism", the declared communist ideology was replaced by a terry philistine, the basis of which at all times, as in all countries and villages, was the iron principle "every man for himself, one god for all." And he has become so ingrained in the psychology of the Russian people that he is now unlikely to accept anything else.
  6. +1
    27 July 2023 06: 05
    If we assume that the country will have to conduct hostilities for a long time, years, then a rotation of military personnel is necessary, for example, if you served at the front for a year, return to the national economy for several years. At the same time, it makes sense to exclude the upper age limit of those drafted, to evaluate according to physical health, but at the same time, it is especially important, sorry, a varied diet: vegetables, fruits, salads, sleep and rest.
    1. +10
      27 July 2023 07: 02
      the country will have to fight for a long time

      I.e. Did they make Syria, Libya or Yemen out of Russia?
    2. +5
      27 July 2023 07: 43
      Are you thinking of going to the front, is it like for bread? And after the hostilities, a person will be able to calmly maneuver between the army and the civilian?
      1. +3
        27 July 2023 08: 33
        No one knows how long the fighting will continue, you will have to adapt. The conditions of stay in the army should be given paramount attention, including stimulation with carrots.
    3. +1
      27 July 2023 11: 25
      Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com
      If we assume that the country will have to conduct hostilities for a long time, years, then a rotation of military personnel is necessary, for example, if you served at the front for a year, return to the national economy for several years. At the same time, it makes sense to exclude the upper age limit of those drafted, to evaluate according to physical health, but at the same time, it is especially important, sorry, a varied diet: vegetables, fruits, salads, sleep and rest.

      It's all wild. There won't be any years.
      Demolish the Kremlin
      1. +1
        27 July 2023 12: 28
        Well, they will demolish it and the war will stop?
        1. 0
          27 July 2023 13: 44
          Most likely yes.
          The people will be, stupidly, not up to ...
          If in a couple of years everything has already flown by half. Not to mention "wishing" actually soon a piece of green instead of three yesterday.
          Everyone remembers what ended there after the 98th
      2. 0
        27 July 2023 14: 54
        It's all wild. There won't be any years.
        Demolish the Kremlin

        And for how many years the "Chechen wars" went on, and no one was dared. Many do not even perceive that somewhere the country is fighting.
    4. +1
      27 July 2023 13: 25
      You really want to send people with shell shock to the industry.
      Have you spoken to such people? Most become disabled. They will be of no use either as engineers or designers. Also tell the production operators to deliver them! And all those who will receive injuries due to the fault of these sick people will personally tell you - thank you.
      Imagine that you have a headache, periodically you see hallucinations, and even in spring and autumn it all gets worse, and you also need to think about technological operations. And what will be your efficiency?
  7. +5
    27 July 2023 06: 11
    And the mobilized already, excuse me, will they be used until they are fully triggered? The second wave is needed at least in order to replace the first in parts.
    1. +14
      27 July 2023 06: 36
      A neighbor came on vacation, said that he would hardly survive another winter without serious health problems.
    2. +1
      27 July 2023 13: 29
      Yes. So it will be.
      The state does not need an extra burden.
      As our officials said: "We did not ask your parents to give birth to you"

      People with severed limbs and shell-shocked, and whatever you like, only their parents need. For society, they are a burden, and for officials, unnecessary difficulties and problems are on their heads. Build ramps, take care of the treatment, look for money for prostheses, for their children, flesh benefits, etc.
      1. -1
        27 July 2023 20: 14
        Listen, he's already retired with a severed leg. And he has already received his 3 million and a pension. This has no bearing on the question.
  8. +4
    27 July 2023 06: 12
    It just needs to be reformed.
    I don’t know to whom and what the SVO showed, but in recent years the Russian authorities have paid more attention to creating structures for their own security, because neither the police nor the Russian Guard, by and large, can ensure complete security for the Russian people.
    Parade events and demonstrations have an impact on young children, while adults require slightly different results.
    It's time to restore the honorable duty in full with all the preferences for those who honorably fulfilled their duty, and with restrictions for those who ignored the service in the Armed Forces for various incomprehensible reasons.
    Particular attention should be paid to the state of health of young people called up to serve in combat units ... Although, they need to be given the main attention, and not guards of honor and other show-offs in beautiful uniforms ... Enough of our window dressing, amusing fleet and Kremlin dragoons ...
    It is the real defense of the Fatherland that should be the main task of the Armed Forces ...
    And all these "swifts", "siskins", "falcons" and "golden eagles" look good in the sky over Ukraine or Syria, for example. I am more impressed by the pilot about whom they wrote:
    The American unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) MQ-9 "Reaper" was again subjected to pressure in the sky over Syria. Combat aircraft dropped heat traps near it and approached the drone at close range.

    Read more at: https://avia.pro/news/istrebitel-su-35-vnov-otstrelyalsya-teplovymi-lovushkami-vblizi-amerikanskogo-udarnogo-drona-mq
    1. +5
      27 July 2023 07: 31
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I am more impressed by the pilot about whom they wrote:
      The American unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) MQ-9 "Reaper" was again subjected to pressure in the sky over Syria. Combat aircraft dropped heat traps near it and approached the drone at close range.

      Read more at: https://avia.pro/news/istrebitel-su-35-vnov-otstrelyalsya-teplovymi-lovushkami-vblizi-amerikanskogo-udarnogo-drona-mq

      And here, on the radio, they reported that the drone was following some kind of Allah Baba, a medium-sized bump from ISIS, and seized the moment so that he was not in the thick of the peaceful people, meaning to send him to the virgins. Alas, the operation was cancelled.
      1. +6
        27 July 2023 08: 31
        Is it from the authors of "Our missiles are deployed along the borders of Russia to protect it from Somali pirates"?
    2. 0
      27 July 2023 11: 29
      Quote: ROSS 42

      It's time to restore the honorable duty in full with all the preferences for those who honorably fulfilled their duty, and with restrictions for those who ignored the service in the Armed Forces for various incomprehensible reasons.

      It's not gonna go.
      All those veterans will be their own bosses with empty bowlers.
      And the rest live and work in their condominiums according to their own laws without all those alien bosses.
      It was already. Hello to useless Afghans with Chechen, guards in fives
    3. +1
      27 July 2023 21: 32
      What impresses him? If he had trotted out in front of an American fighter like that, I would have admired his courage.
  9. +6
    27 July 2023 06: 13
    The staff won't help. Right now, the tarasiks are mass graves, crowding on our fortifications. If we advance, we will have the same problems. How will an increase in numbers help if it is very difficult to break through the modern line of defense?
    1. +2
      27 July 2023 08: 31
      Maybe not break the line of defense, but just get around?
      1. 0
        27 July 2023 11: 35
        This whole circus ended back in Vietnam.
        In addition to continuous napalming, everything else is bullshit
      2. 0
        28 July 2023 11: 47
        Maybe not break the line of defense, but just get around?

        Go around the corridor strewn with flowers without mines?
        Show on the map where you can bypass the line of defense.
    2. +3
      27 July 2023 08: 50
      Forgive the modern defense if you look closely at focal separate fortifications (as they are now called) and sometimes there is no fire connection with a friend. Defense - platoon defensive areas for the most part. The problem is not to break through the defense (which is essentially focal), the problem is that the BTG does not have firepower to suppress even such a defense. The problem is that the offensive area is not isolated from the word no matter how.
    3. +3
      27 July 2023 11: 47
      If we advance, we will have the same problems.
      - and if we do not, then there will be no problems?
    4. 0
      27 July 2023 20: 16
      Cities are taken not by someone, cities are taken by infantry. When there are 80 active bayonets in the battalion, the slightest mistake of the commander or the luck of the enemy resets him. Unnecessary zerg rushes, but the lack of fighters will not lead to good.
      And most importantly, people are needed for rotation. Sitting in a trench for a year, 99% of people do not have enough strength.
  10. +7
    27 July 2023 06: 19
    [quote=VicktorVR]

    Why the authorities do almost nothing in this direction is a separate question. Can not?
    .[/quot Because the bandits from the 90s are in power.
  11. +16
    27 July 2023 06: 26
    Enemy nonsense - all these new mobilizations, and slogans about the border with Poland. In this format, the war only reduces the Russian-speaking population of our country and does not solve strategic goals!
    1. -1
      27 July 2023 12: 32
      What now? drop everything and retreat?
      1. -2
        27 July 2023 13: 38
        Build fortifications, pour concrete and sit on the defensive. And the industry to develop the country in 3 shifts. In 10 years, no one will dare to poke their noses!
    2. +4
      27 July 2023 15: 08
      reduces the Russian-speaking population of our country

      Recently I heard a conversation on the phone of one migrant, literally: "while they are engaged in denocification somewhere, we here are engaged in Tajikization through their women."
  12. 0
    27 July 2023 06: 31
    In principle, we can win with the forces that we have now. This is to untie the hands of the army, and not to look back at the peace party and the oligarchs, not to fulfill their requests and desires.
    Set the army the task of achieving victory by any means from available weapons. To do this in the form of an order, for the failure of which the tribunal.
    Ukraine is not such a large country in terms of territory, if necessary, you can plow up all paved roads and all railway junctions, and destroy railway bridges, there are only 30 of them. Ukraine is about 1000 km long and 500 km wide.
    Any negotiations with the Ukrainian regime should be punishable by criminal prosecution, except for the exchange of prisoners.
    Particular attention should be paid to units with mercenaries, to destroy them in the first place.
    I don’t know if it exists now, it is to strengthen propaganda among the population of Ukraine, from the television signal, television programs, radio to the entire territory of Ukraine around the clock, so that at night they listen to the truthful report from the fronts.
    Part of the State Duma deputies should be sent as political commissars as members of the military councils of the armies and fronts to raise the spirit of soldiers and commanders.
    Victory will be ours, the Nazis will be defeated! soldier
    1. +2
      27 July 2023 21: 38
      And what will you propagate to them through the TV signal? Because what I see now - "surrender, you have no chance, you are dying for the interests of the Jews in power and the Anglo-Americans, they are well fed in captivity" - is very similar to one old propaganda that did not work.
  13. +5
    27 July 2023 06: 37
    Who did everything for the collapse of the draft and the creation of a contract army, knowing full well what this would lead to? We open "Military Review" for 2017:

    "Once again, now from the president's lips, we learned about the upcoming abolition of conscription into the army. Not tomorrow, not even the day after tomorrow, but the conscription will be canceled. Russia will completely switch to a contract army. Vladimir Putin spoke about this unambiguously on October 24. Is it right Will the abolition of conscription be able to preserve the country's defense capability and reduce the burden on the financial system, or was the statement made to please some part of the "electorate" in the upcoming presidential elections in Russia?

    ...Beautiful words about civil society and democracy have become the stumbling block against which logic breaks.

    Today, at the highest level, they say that the best personnel should be protected for the development of the economy. There is nothing to do graduates in the army. For this there is a "people". Let's increase the allowance for contractors, and the "people" from the local hopelessness will go to serve. Any Vasya Pupkin from a Siberian or Far Eastern village, where to earn 20 thousand heroism a month, with a salary in 30-40 thousand, will gallop into a part at a gallop. Also, he will be entreated to be taken. Kneeling to stand.

    It is clear that Muscovites or St. Petersburg "can't be bought" for that kind of money. But there is also the "level of education"! It is there that the most necessary personnel for the development of the economy and something else are concentrated. Let them develop!

    "The case of the contract army" began Yeltsin. With whom filing, I will not wang. I think most readers have their own opinions on this issue. What for? Official: to transform the Armed Forces into modern, well-trained military units. In reality: to destroy the mobilization resource preparation system developed in the USSR.

    Even the first president called the term for the destruction of our army. By 2000 year. Thank you, ugh, of course, to the default of 1998 of the year. There was not enough money for this murder. But thoughts remained ... And plans remained ... And nobody canceled the first actions. Remember 1993? When was the service life reduced by the new law for the first time? Up to 18 months in the Army and 24 months in the Navy.

    So what is next? 2008 year! The dream of a soldier. A year of service, and you are superman. And those who want to get out of provincial poverty - on the contract. With all the ministers. And at Ivanov, and at Serdyukov, and at Shoigu. Today, army professionals are about 30%. About 300-350 thousand people. And in the future, the Ministry of Defense plans to bring this figure to 50%. And the rest?

    President Putin is well aware that the existing system of training the army reserve does not work. What is a year of service for a modern soldier? This, sorry for the harshness, is an excursion to the army for a junior schoolchild ... "
    1. +1
      27 July 2023 21: 49
      Excuse the harshness, but whoever does not train a modern soldier in a year will not train him in ten years. How long does it take to peel potatoes to learn how to read a map?
    2. +1
      4 August 2023 06: 18
      We know how in the USSR they trained "professionals" on the line in 2 years. As for 10-20 rounds for the entire service, they fired, but mostly they plowed on the parade ground, in the fields and at the construction sites of communism. Excellent "super-soldiers" were obtained. The first Chechen showed the level of these super-soldiers. When high readiness units were disbanded or remained in the former Soviet republics due to the collapse of the USSR. They began to recruit conscripts for the war, who, in fact, did not shoot from a machine gun and did not know how to drive or use devices on an infantry fighting vehicle / armored personnel carrier. But on the other hand, 2 years in the army! Wow, there was power! And after the war, my grandfather served in the infantry for 4 years urgently. He also didn’t become a super special forces. So maybe it’s not about the number of years, but about the quality of training?
  14. +6
    27 July 2023 06: 47
    First and foremost, there is no ideology in the country. And that means there is no specific, tangible goal. Everything that official and semi-official faces are now carrying is an empty, annoying sound that will only inspire complete ... idealists. There is no bullshit. Everything else is an add-on.
    1. 0
      27 July 2023 07: 50
      Quote: Volunteer Marek
      First and foremost, there is no ideology in the country. And that means there is no specific, tangible goal

      Was in the USSR and everything that was carried
      Quote: Volunteer Marek
      official and semi-official faces - an empty, annoying sound that will inspire only complete idealists.
      ...
      And the proof of this is that the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB turned to the dying USSR as a fifth point. Changed the oath...
      Ideology and "Come on the bay .... how spaceships surf the oceans ... (c)
      And this is not happening in the 1990s-1980s, not even the 1970s - the film was shot in 1965.
      And there were a lot of people like Smirnov's hero - the formula was well known among the population ...
    2. +6
      27 July 2023 10: 19
      First and foremost, there is no ideology in the country.
      Yes, there is an ideology! "Production of dough by any means." All for the sake of the dough! True, for some reason real patriots are not brought up with such an ideology. But this is the cost of capitalism. A trifle, right?!
      1. +1
        27 July 2023 11: 45
        And how many countries do not have such an ideology now? And what, now all these countries do not have patriots?
        Remember the United States during WWII, they already had capitalism in their blood, and at the same time there were quite a lot of patriots who were ready to die at the call of the Motherland.
      2. +6
        27 July 2023 13: 47
        What do you understand by patriotism?
        As a patriot of the family, I must devote most of my time to the interests of the family, as a patriot of the enterprise, I must spend all the time on improving the enterprise + subbotniks for low pay and hide from the state all violations in production. And as a patriot of the country, I must sacrifice my health and life for the interests of officials, spitting on the interests of the family, and hand over all the jambs in production with giblets, substituting the leadership.
        And how do you propose to live in the real world?
    3. -2
      27 July 2023 11: 39
      Quote: Volunteer Marek
      First and foremost, there is no ideology in the country. And that means there is no specific, tangible goal. Everything that official and semi-official faces are now carrying is an empty, annoying sound that will only inspire complete ... idealists. There is no bullshit. Everything else is an add-on.

      This is called "evolution".
      All these nonsense about "homelands", "family and non-family values", "democracies" and other "institutions" are artificial inventions poked out with leather bags that have nothing to do with the laws of physics and nature.
  15. +8
    27 July 2023 07: 03
    I'm left with mixed feelings after reading it. On the one hand, "everything is right" then the question is, where is the victory? We have technical superiority, but the enemy has only junk? But what about our old weapons, or "is this different"? Well, how not to increase the army numerically, with weapons and everything necessary, there will be no sense without an intelligent commander! At best, we will sit on the defensive. And according to recent events with sensible ones, some kind of trouble. If they appear, then for some reason they are quickly removed. Why did it happen? winked laughing (sarcasm if anything)
  16. +2
    27 July 2023 07: 15
    Israelis are in military service for 30 months, and women for two years, albeit not in combat units. All those who have served are annually called up for reservist duties.

    There is such a pattern. Among the Nobel laureates in the scientific disciplines (the awards of "peace" and in the field of literature are quite understandably taken out of consideration) there are a disproportionate number of Jews. But the Israelis are represented there much more modestly, if at all; I personally like this, flying in, and I don’t remember a single one. From what? Yes, because they give the best years, when the formation of a scientist as such, to the service. Otherwise, Jews (at least Ashkenazi Jews) in Israel have all the same genetic predispositions as their compatriots in America and Europe (including the former territory of the USSR).
    Those who studied sopromat in the USSR should remember Castigliano's theorem (well, or at least what it was), this is one of the main ways to reveal static indeterminacy. Its author Carlo Alberto Castigliano bred it as a student at the Polytechnic Institute in Turin. At the end of the institute, he did not come up with anything new. This is about the importance of young years for doing science and developing the ability to advance science, and not just learn and apply what is discovered by others.
    Israel was, and still is, compelled to sacrifice its scientific discoveries of tomorrow for today's defense. But they have nowhere to go - all their close and not very close neighbors in the region, with varying degrees of zeal, want neither Israel nor Jews in the region.
    The question is: should and can Russia sacrifice its scientific discoveries of tomorrow for the sake of today's defense? After all, unlike Israel, Russia claims to be among the world leaders in science. In Soviet times, she was there, but as now, I do not presume to evaluate. But if you take students to military service, and then even persuade them to sign a contract, you can only dream of a place among the leaders.
    1. +3
      27 July 2023 07: 49
      Well, do not focus on Israel as an eternally howling country. Here is an example to follow. For some reason, there are more security officials in the country than the army, so who are we protecting ourselves from? From own citizens or an external enemy? Maybe they'll sort it out here first?
      1. -2
        27 July 2023 08: 06
        Quote: All_Good
        For some reason, there are more security officials in the country than the army, so who are we protecting ourselves from? From own citizens or an external enemy?

        And from whom did the USSR defend itself - having in Moscow, in addition to Tamanskaya and Kantemirovskaya, also OMSDON?
        The number of cops and KGB officers was comparable to the current ones...
        For whom did the Ministry of Internal Affairs adopt rubber batons in 1961, and tear gas in 1964?
  17. +14
    27 July 2023 07: 30
    In short, they got involved in an adventure without funds, reserves, and most importantly people! The ambitions of the empire do not allow you to live in peace, you need to draw into this population, which is not at all eager to die for the palaces and geeks of the rich! The people are trying to survive, and now the number of men began to be reduced. What's next???
  18. +7
    27 July 2023 07: 45
    Whom and where they recruited interestingly, they stuffed sweet words into their ears and yesterday’s conscripts are capable of well if they carry outfits in a company overnight, they become professional contract soldiers and run to buy stores for the 200 k they receive, since the Moscow Region will not be born with equipment in any way, but as soon as a week later they they send tears and calls from parents with curses to the NVO. You can understand for a year now the regiments and brigades have been empty, where one lieutenant of the battalion steers as best he can, and the soldiers hang out by themselves, it’s easy to teach them. This is the situation the leadership of the Ministry of Defense got itself into, and they did not come up with anything smarter than under fear of punishment for a shortage of contract soldiers in relation to platoons and company officers. To whom it seems that I embellished, I ask you to visit the Far East, look with your eyes with your hands, feel
  19. +7
    27 July 2023 07: 46
    It is possible to train a fighter from a conscript in 12 months. But after that, the army of this very trained fighter loses - demobilization. I do not understand the meaning of this: only a person has learned to truly serve, and here he is, a demobilization. I served in the USSR, in the Strategic Missile Forces, 86-88. Half a year of training in Cap Yar, where we were taught to drive a MAZ 543. Then - to the regiment. Over the next half a year, we, in principle, learned to serve in conditions of real combat duty. So, for the second year we have already served, and improved our skills. Now, apparently, it is not required to serve in the army: 6 months of training, 6 months of training for real work in a combat regiment, and ... A trained fighter leaves home. At the peak of your abilities. The question is, why did they teach him then, spent time and money on him?
    Need to return to the two-year service life. Even if after 1 year, the fighters will receive, say, a month's vacation: it is clear that they want to see their relatives, just to be at home. Maybe even get married. But then - serve another 1 year. As an option - under the contract, but without fail. Help train new recruits. Serve the way you were taught. In this case, there will be no personnel shortage in the army. And - yes. For those who serve under the contract for the second year, but - urgent, in the same way, the restriction on getting into the NWO zone should apply. Only if the person wrote the report himself.
    1. -2
      27 July 2023 08: 15
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      I served in the USSR, in the Strategic Missile Forces, 86-88. Half a year of training in Cap Yar, where we were taught to drive a MAZ 543. Then - to the regiment. Over the next half a year, we, in principle, learned to serve in conditions of real combat duty. So, for the second year we have already served, and improved our skills. Now, apparently, it is not required to serve in the army: 6 months of training, 6 months of training for real work in a combat regiment, and ... A trained fighter leaves home. At the peak of your abilities. The question is, why did they teach him then, spent time and money on him?


      but let's specifically look at your case from a different angle ... will there be twice as many regiments of the Strategic Missile Forces, positions and MAZ543 with 2 years of service? no, it won’t .. respectively, with a one-year service, for 2 years - we get 2 pieces. well-trained drivers, instead of you the 1st very well-trained (we take the theory that they are prepared as expected) .. and the appointment of an urgent appointment is still in the 1st turn - the preparation of a mobile reserve .. it turns out with a 2-year one it will be 2 times less .. but as for simply infantry, so it’s possible to train it very well in a year, the Wagners only gave a month or two of training, just high-quality ..
      1. +4
        27 July 2023 08: 40
        In principle, it’s true, but in part, the fighters stand by outfits or shamanize equipment, in order to properly prepare this training ground, you need an instructor and a bk mountain, and in principle we don’t have an instructor in the states, they have to work, but they are either in outfits or according to very important tasks or make photo reports. We need to change a lot in the structure of combat training, everyday life and in providing for the army
        1. 0
          27 July 2023 15: 15
          But you can explain why power engineers, automation engineers, Kipovites were mobilized from factories and sent without training, equipment and normal support to the 3rd line with periodic trips to the 1st. At the same time, there is a shortage of specialists in rembats who are able to understand and restore complex electrical equipment and control circuits.
          On the star they showed a story about how a man from a factory with a multimeter climbs through equipment in the open and looks for worn-out fuses. And this is a specialist from the manufacturer's factory, who has the competence to configure complex logic control circuits. And besides him, there is no one to call ahead.
          But we can easily write off engineers with an experience of 10 years or more.
    2. +2
      27 July 2023 15: 08
      When you served, there were no drones or hypersonic missiles, but most likely there were colonels Lokotkovs.
      And the painting of the borders in white, it definitely was (the consumption of whitewash is 3 tons over the summer).
      And even at that time, Satan's engines were drawn on paper, and now CAD.
      And Ukraine was part of a huge great country. And now we are conducting a military defense and Russian men are dying from both sides.
      So your experience is irrelevant. Even Satan's rockets, along with rocket trains, have already been cut down.
  20. +1
    27 July 2023 07: 53
    As well as understanding that the main allies of Russia have always been and remain: the army and navy

    VKS! Don't forget VKS!
  21. +5
    27 July 2023 07: 55
    contract army, which, as it turned out, was not fully prepared for the challenges of the special operation,
    The Soviet Army consisted mainly of - only from conscripts , therefore, there were successes in any operations, be it Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 68, Afghanistan in 1979-89. Yes, and Chechnya was mostly pulled out by conscripts. They coped with the assigned tasks. WWII recruits, too, after training, joined the active units. There is nothing wrong with that.
    Partial mobilization, held with great bang
    What is mobilization? None of the leadership of the Moscow Region, did not reasonably explain why mobilized are better than conscripts?
    The question is why a modern young Russian masters a military registration specialty in a year (or maybe even in 6 months)
    Young man! Year in the army means a lot, you live a full-fledged army life, with its orders. Youth is youth, that says it all. Well, who will explain to me why torn off from peaceful, in many respects from family life, mobilized is better? For many, by 30, a bunch of diseases. About some kind of sports uniform, nothing to say, 25-year-olds have beer bellies. All skills, knowledge, once military service is forgotten, and time does not stand still, everything changes. Many do not know about new technology, at all. Well, what's the use of the mobilized? And the families of the mobilized? Who will take care of them? A family man will always worry about the abandoned family. How will it be with the family, God forbid, in case of death, injury? All these questions will become acute during mobilization. And if the goals of the NWO are not clear, then that's it, pipe. The same Kyiv did not refuse conscripts. They are equipped with the most combat-ready units. Well, with "mobilized meat", they plug all possible holes. So they don't care about the people. What about us? They will knock out Russian peasants, how will we live? Will we settle Asians and Caucasians? Well, as the labeled "process is already underway" used to say, in full growth. What will happen next?
    1. 0
      27 July 2023 09: 14
      Do conscripts have no nationality? Clone army?
      1. +2
        27 July 2023 18: 23
        where did they write about nationality?
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  23. _6
    +3
    27 July 2023 08: 22
    Before offering solutions, you need to decide on the goal. And here is the fog. Perhaps this is the re-education of non-brothers and the destruction of the stoned. Then a quick capture of the whole of Ukraine will subsequently be worse for us. Perhaps the goal is the demolition of the unipolar system of the world. Then the fate of Ukraine and the timing of the NWO is the tenth thing. We decide the main thing, we will take care of the rest. Or maybe this war has exacerbated the social diseases of our society and now there is an awareness of ourselves, our position, our country for each of us. Plus, similar processes are going on in the Kremlin, called clan squabbles. In my opinion, the recovery of society is more important than anything else. And Ukraine will be ours anyway, the main thing is to save ourselves.
    1. +1
      27 July 2023 08: 30
      I do not share a benevolent mood, fairy tales about the squabble of towers hint at the absence of a king, or confirm his purely nominal presence
      1. -2
        27 July 2023 11: 55
        Was there an intra-party struggle in the CPSU (b) until 1939? It was already with two waves of "great terror". There was no "leader", or did this confirm "his purely nominal presence"?
    2. +1
      27 July 2023 11: 52
      Quote: _6
      Before offering solutions, you need to decide on the goal. And here is the fog. Perhaps this is the re-education of non-brothers and the destruction of the stoned. Then a quick capture of the whole of Ukraine will subsequently be worse for us. Perhaps the goal is the demolition of the unipolar system of the world. Then the fate of Ukraine and the timing of the NWO is the tenth thing. We decide the main thing, we will take care of the rest. Or maybe this war has exacerbated the social diseases of our society and now there is an awareness of ourselves, our position, our country for each of us. Plus, similar processes are going on in the Kremlin, called clan squabbles. In my opinion, the recovery of society is more important than anything else. And Ukraine will be ours anyway, the main thing is to save ourselves.

      According to such criteria, 90% of the planet must be reset to zero.
      Starting with today's circus in the same niggas
    3. +1
      27 July 2023 17: 33
      You listen to the radio like Vesti FM.
      So on it they openly say that Russia's task is to draw US forces and attention away from China.
      And this means that our guys are dying, losing their health in the interests of a state that is alien to us, which, by the way, suffers from drought and suffers from a lack of drinking water, as well as a limited territory.
      And next to the Russian Federation with the uninhabited Far East. Where do you think the Chinese will live in 50 years from now?
      It seems to me that the Chinese will first lease the Far East for 50 years, and then decide that there is no need to give it away.
      By that time, there will be less than 120 million Russians. And there will be about 120 million guest workers with passports among these 35 million.
      In the perspective of 50 years, the Russians from the titular nation will turn into guests in their country.
  24. +2
    27 July 2023 08: 22
    The country for several years, if not decades, was surrounded by enemies and ill-wishers. More precisely, it happened a long time ago, but awareness came only last year. As well as understanding that the main allies of Russia have always been and remain: the army and navy.

    Gold words.
    1. 0
      27 July 2023 22: 39
      It seems that the comprehension of this has long come to many Russian citizens, but not to those who should have understood this more than nine years ago, being in high Kremlin offices. However, it seems that the latter have not fully comprehended this yet.
  25. +16
    27 July 2023 08: 27
    Mr. author, did not mention that the Kharkov disaster was created by Shoigu and the same Gerasimov, with their own decisions. Then they also trumpeted about the counteroffensive from all the irons, and it was in the Kharkov region. But 40 in the Far East were doing some type of joint exercise. As a result, rare checkpoints were covered and the final retreat was more like an escape leaving warehouses in Balakleya, a large amount of equipment. So, the Kharkov "embarrassment" is the merit of Shoigu and Gerasimov with the right team.
    And now, a week ago, three military generals were kicked out, if it continues like this, it becomes scary for the Army. And Putin is not going to change anything - mediocrity, but his own.
    1. -5
      27 July 2023 09: 57
      You write about 40000 during exercises in the Far East, but do you remember that during the Second World War, when the enemy was on the outskirts of the capital in the Far East, there were several hundred thousand soldiers - I think the analogy is understandable?
      1. +2
        27 July 2023 14: 41
        Quote from Escariot
        during the Second World War, when the enemy was on the outskirts of the capital in the Far East, there were several hundred thousand soldiers - I think the analogy is clear?

        Incomprehensible. Who threatens us now in the Far East?
        1. -1
          27 July 2023 16: 07
          US Pacific Fleet, Japan, China in the end
    2. 0
      27 July 2023 11: 57
      Quote: Khibiny Plastun
      Mr. author, did not mention that the Kharkov disaster was created by Shoigu and the same Gerasimov, with their own decisions. Then they also trumpeted about the counteroffensive from all the irons, and it was in the Kharkov region. But 40 in the Far East were doing some type of joint exercise. As a result, rare checkpoints were covered and the final retreat was more like an escape leaving warehouses in Balakleya, a large amount of equipment. So, the Kharkov "embarrassment" is the merit of Shoigu and Gerasimov with the right team.
      And now, a week ago, three military generals were kicked out, if it continues like this, it becomes scary for the Army. And Putin is not going to change anything - mediocrity, but his own.

      Because it finally dawned on someone that there are no "brothers" there in terms of reason and, in general, there is nothing to catch.
      And even more so to spend money on all this for freeloaders, who sat up to the last on the priest exactly, instead of taking care of their well-being themselves.
      https://www.yugopolis.ru/articles/chuzhie-sredi-svoih-vyplaty-po-hersonskim-sertifikatam-zaderzhivayutsya-na-mesyacy-162535
    3. 0
      27 July 2023 17: 47
      Why are tank armies in the Far East at the moment? ..
      If China needs something, it will get it without an army. Japan will definitely not carry tanks. So what are they guarding there?
      Tanks, and most importantly, tankers are needed behind the ribbon.
      From my area, the tankers ended in the first months, when they walked in columns and waited for the keys to the city to be taken out and met with bread and salt.
      And another question: what about Odessa. I understand that it had no strategic importance and does not. For there were no plans to capture. Well, of course, we don’t have landing ships (irony), but the landing force was led into a trap at the Gostomel airfield. I understand that this unparalleled operation was leaked by moles into mos, which were not cleaned out in advance. Well, all the same, the commanders of Ukraine and the Russian Federation studied in the same institutions.
  26. -11
    27 July 2023 08: 31
    All power to the Soviets!

    Expeditionary corps, both from our side and from the West, in Ukraine have shown their failure. In addition to what has already been done, it is necessary to return 2 years of service in the army and 3 years in the Navy.

    Conscripts, after a year of service, are required to take part in the defense of the country.
    The Army (Navy) is not a pioneer camp with pioneer counselors and three meals a day.

    The army is designed to protect the country from external threats. It is the duty of every man to protect his family and friends. The most effective way to do this is to work together.

    The one who thinks about the Motherland has many degrees of protection.
    The one who thinks only of himself - he has only one, he himself.
    Guess who is stronger?
    1. +8
      27 July 2023 10: 14
      Not even funny. Already tired of the difference between real life and the picture from the TV. People do not live on TV and the calls of high authorities to unite lead to only one thing - the impoverishment of the population without the slightest return. Someone noticed that after calls for unity, prices for everything immediately follow.
      1. -10
        27 July 2023 10: 41
        Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory is ours!

        Quote: AKuzenka
        calls from high authorities to unite lead only to one thing - the impoverishment of the population


        Quote: AKuzenka
        Someone noticed that after calls for unity, prices for everything immediately follow.

        And here is the argument in support of Katz on his proposal to surrender ...
        You might think that prices have not been raised before. laughing

        Inflation is an integral part of capitalism (in all countries where it exists), so that the slaves would work from dawn to dusk and from evening to morning, without days off and holidays for "carrots", the meaning of which is to work better, work longer, you will be rich and not what not to do. Inflation will not allow this - the squirrel must spin the wheel without stopping.

        By the way. Nabiulina, with the beginning of the SVO, cut the key rate at 20% ...
    2. 0
      27 July 2023 11: 53
      You have to be smarter, not stronger. And do not climb into an unbearable fornication.
    3. 0
      27 July 2023 12: 30
      - Exactly! What kind of three meals a day is there, when is it here ?! What they take from the battle - they will eat it! And three days to plunder! wassat
    4. +2
      27 July 2023 15: 14
      The one who thinks about the Motherland has many degrees of protection.

      The family is a cell of society, very convenient for the state. She is more inert and bound by obligations. Such people are easier to manipulate and, as a rule, they are less prone to criminal inclinations or various ideological currents, often acting in opposition to the current government.
      And the "singles" live for themselves, are not burdened with responsibility and boredom can become a problem for government agencies. And all this against the backdrop of horrific divorce statistics.
    5. +1
      27 July 2023 17: 56
      Russia - "The authorities did not ask you to give birth"
      Region - "We need to cut money on landscaping, sit without hot water"
      District - "Well, we don't have the means to fight locusts. Throw in your own money and buy it. You farmers need it"
      City - "We do not have the means to subdue the children's playground, we were not allocated. Do not let children play on the playground, otherwise they will be crippled"
      Comrades - the meeting of graduates is cancelled. Everyone left. Trying to find a job and feed the children.
      Friends - here someone is as lucky.
      Relatives - there are even more lucky ones.
      And you can only count on your family, of course, if you cared for and respected the interests of family members!

      And the state may not find funds for prostheses for our wars. Especially if the required type is not made in Russia, but made in Japan or Germany.
  27. +2
    27 July 2023 08: 33
    Quote: V.
    Part of the State Duma deputies should be sent as political commissars as members of the military councils of the armies and fronts to raise the spirit of soldiers and commanders.

    The deputies will not be able to become political officers))))) They themselves believe only in money and abroad.
    1. 0
      27 July 2023 18: 14
      Part of the State Duma deputies should be sent as political commissars as members of the military councils of the armies and fronts to raise the spirit of soldiers and commanders.

      The task of the army political officer, or his analogue, whatever his name is, is to explain to the soldier why he needs to kill this particular person. A good political officer will explain everything correctly, and if he does not explain, problems may arise. A soldier's hand will tremble at the right moment.
    2. 0
      5 August 2023 14: 23
      So our whole ideology is about money. Let them conduct political education on the topic of increasing earnings :)
  28. +6
    27 July 2023 08: 37
    We have a rather strange lawmaking going on. I think the baby was thrown out with the water this time too. Why was it necessary to amend the law on military duty? Because the draft army could not be attracted to the NWO. Why not? Because it is a pity for young, 18-year-old boys. OK then. We put forward an initiative to shift the age of conscription into the army by 3 years, i.e. call not from 18 to 27 years old, but from 21 to 30 years old. There is a reasonable purpose here. But in the end, they simply expanded the age range, making it from 18 to 30 years old. Well, what's the point of that? The draft army, as they were not involved in hostilities, will not be involved further. After all, it again has the same 18-year-old boys. And why then do we need this draft army, on which terrible money is spent? Hundreds of billions of rubles? Are exercises being conducted with it, "sudden checks" with transfers across the country? The senselessness of what is happening is obvious. There will be an increase in the number of draft army, which will not be involved in hostilities. So what? People between the ages of 27 and 30 will be out of work for a year. During this year will lose qualifications. What benefit will this bring? And the main contingent, as it was in the army of 18-year-olds, remained so. Russia cannot be understood with the mind.
    1. +3
      27 July 2023 09: 39
      Well, you yourself understand that there is a certain "plan" for conscription and it must be carried out. Now we just expanded the base for the call a little, which means it can be completed more successfully.
      Well, the fact that there are no draftees at the front does not mean that they are not used in the NWO. In the end, in the rear, someone must ensure the functioning of the army: carry cargo, guard warehouses, etc. In addition to all this, conscripts are a valuable source of contract soldiers, because, EMNIP, after half a year of conscription service, you can sign a contract. If it's wrong, then correct it.
    2. +1
      27 July 2023 10: 11
      And why then do we need this draft army, on which terrible money is spent? Hundreds of billions of rubles? Are exercises being conducted with it, "sudden checks" with transfers across the country?
      Oh wow! What is incomprehensible here. A large army - big expenses, big expenses, more will stick to the right hands, etc. Already now with the SVO "everything is fine", but it will become "even better". The children of the authorities are growing, and with them the expenses.
    3. +2
      27 July 2023 11: 03
      Quote: Traveler_2
      But in the end, they simply expanded the age range, making it from 18 to 30 years old. Well, what's the point of that? The draft army, as they were not involved in hostilities, will not be involved further. And why, then, is this draft army needed at all, for which terrible money is being spent?

      Quite rightly noted. At first and second glance it makes no sense.
      But maybe there's something we don't know? And we are waiting for new "difficult decisions"?
      1. -2
        27 July 2023 12: 38
        conscripts also participate a lot in the NWO, albeit not in the trenches, but in the rear there is a lot of work
    4. +8
      27 July 2023 13: 17
      They just do it gradually so as not to "rock the boat" as with the same change in draft age. They said that we would shift from 18 to 21 years old, waited until the people got used to it, the wave did not go, then they simply made the extension of the draft age without any shift. And they will continue to do so. The skill of simmering a frog over low heat is well developed. The main thing is not to rush, otherwise the frog will jump right at the cook, and for some reason he prefers to avoid meeting with live frogs, especially scalded ones.
    5. -2
      27 July 2023 18: 57
      Putnik_2 (Putnik Putnik)

      The draft army, as they were not involved in hostilities, will not be involved further. After all, it again has the same 18-year-old boys. And why then do we need this draft army?,
      so that in the case of the mobilization of thirty men aged from 30 to 55, who ended up in the forest alone, in winter, and without protection, with a bunch of some pieces of iron on their hands, they would not ask each other "what is it" and "I can't do it" and could perform the simplest everyday tasks and understood some things, such as: that this is a shovel, this is a commander, this is a charter, you need to wash your feet and brush your teeth, a bullet flies out from here, do not sleep on duty, mutual assistance.
      people are different, so this is true.
      1. +1
        27 July 2023 22: 41
        If you served at the age of 20, and at 50 you ended up in the forest with the same thing you served 30 years ago, then you will remain in this forest forever, regardless of how you learned the charter and how you clean your false teeth. For against you with a shovel, Berdan and a bunch of sores, there will be completely different technologies that you won’t even be aware of. So the benefit from you will be exactly - no.
        1. 0
          28 July 2023 01: 53
          Ivan F (Ivan F), I quite clearly, without scoffing, answered Putnik's question, and you write about some disadvantage of the draft army and the jaw.
          Taking today's situation - the sick are not called.
          Taking the situation of full mobilization - the same. There is a list of diseases - an order growing in a whole book of two hundred pages.

          yes, now a lot of new equipment has been added - this is satellite reconnaissance in conjunction with high-precision long-range operational-tactical weapons on the ground, these are tactical reconnaissance drones, tactical strike drones fpv, the number of thermal imaging equipment, anti-tank weapons has sharply increased, mass communication of a tactical level with repeaters.
          .
          what is there to invent for a company company and platoon tank or any infantry units in the conditions of a compressed time for additional training, for at least life in the PVD: communication - buy, high-precision weapons + satellites - let's stretch our legs along the clothes - follow the rules - do not gather more than two,
          observe thermal masking, SHOVEL - read engineering training of the 60s - i.e. to counteract thermal imagers - SCREENS from masksets are added, false positions. miracle capes will not help - F-physics.
          .
          I repeat - what I have listed above (shovel, commander, charter, wash legs and not sleep) - this is the basis that becomes overgrown with meat during the coordination of units and additional training, training in working on new equipment, carried out during mobilization. if this is not the case, then mobilization is impossible.
          .
          In addition to military service, after its completion, annual additional training of persons in the mobile reserve (in reserve) was ALWAYS planned. and the fact that it was carried out (or not carried out) out of hand, so much so that the majority did not even hear about it - this is a question for the Ministry of Defense.
      2. 0
        5 August 2023 14: 26
        Are we now taught to use a shovel and brush our teeth in the army? Powerful entry! As well as the statement that 30-year-old men cannot brush their teeth and dig ..
        1. 0
          10 August 2023 13: 20
          a-ha-ha-ha-ha!
          Yes, if everyone could brush their teeth, then dentists would be out of work! and we have entire dental institutes flourishing.
          now 70 percent of the population lives in cities - such is the picture.
          where are the shovels from?
          you just try everything on yourself, but I’m talking to you for a group of different and uneven-aged people.
          why I wrote about washing feet and teeth - because dirty feet or teeth put a person out of action. and a person with rotting, decaying legs can pull the entire unit to the bottom, stupidly limping and slowing down the entire unit when advancing somewhere, on the defensive - a person with an aching tooth at night will not be busy observing and guarding positions, but will let anyone in position. can you sleep next to each other knowing that? no, you can't. it means that the next day you will be sleepy and you will already be a new weak inattentive link.
          then it will be wound in a ball (fatigue, inattention, irritation and indifference) and the entire unit will be sky-ready.
          such is ce la vie
    6. -2
      30 July 2023 14: 15
      Most likely this is the logic. 27, 28 and 29 year olds began to arrange life, thinking that they were able to resolve the issue with the service (more precisely, not the service). And them under white hands and into the army. And there they will be agitated by hook or by crook that they can go to a contract for a lot of money.
      And as soon as they sign the contract, if there are such, then they will not be able to break it until the end of the NWO.
      Plus, those who did not serve, formally did not fall under the needs of mobilization, but then once they were sent to the army, and now they already served. Plus, they will be written by VUSs, which are in great demand and are always in short supply.
      And whether a person is suitable for this VUS, whether there are skills, knowledge, inclination of character - this does not bother anyone at all.
      Snipers will go with -6 vision, gunners - people with concussions, etc.
      Instead of setting up military production, improving the methodology for selecting and training specialists for military specialties, and making a qualitative breakthrough in increasing combat readiness, we are doing everything the old fashioned way. Let's get more people.
      Instead of modern robotic systems controlled remotely by an operator, we would rather weld a gun turret to a winder. And it doesn't work like that.
  29. +22
    27 July 2023 08: 39
    You just need to mobilize all the militant old men and send them to the trenches.

    The population will chip in for medicines for radiculitis without any problems.

    Otherwise, they want greatness and wars, but when it comes to “why isn’t he at the front?”, then the sick, the weak, and generally let the young die.
    1. +15
      27 July 2023 08: 50
      Gold words! All military pensions, they are the most embittered and aggressive, there they will find a use for themselves!
    2. 0
      27 July 2023 10: 07
      Otherwise, they want greatness and wars, but when it comes to “why isn’t he at the front?”, then the sick, the weak, and generally let the young die.
      It's very dangerous to give "evil old men" weapons. They are open-minded and many have combat experience. "Catching the dough" will nervously "smoke in the corridor" if the "evil old men" decide to change something after the victory. And the most "terrible" in this case, the majority of the population will support them. Do not wake famously while it is quiet. hi
      1. +5
        27 July 2023 13: 51
        Quote: AKuzenka
        Otherwise, they want greatness and wars, but when it comes to “why isn’t he at the front?”, then the sick, the weak, and generally let the young die.
        It's very dangerous to give "evil old men" weapons. They are open-minded and many have combat experience. "Catching the dough" will nervously "smoke in the corridor" if the "evil old men" decide to change something after the victory. And the most "terrible" in this case, the majority of the population will support them. Do not wake famously while it is quiet. hi


        brains are needed for any campaign, and they were beaten off for decades by the teaching "you cannot be smarter than the boss", therefore the "openness" of their consciousness is the clearness of thought. in this situation, without a command from above, they are unsuitable for any coup - the uprising requires brains.

        so, for the country they are much safer than young civilian mobilizers
    3. +7
      27 July 2023 15: 22
      Plus, these old patriots are the first to put them in the trenches, at least I don’t feel sorry for them
    4. 0
      27 July 2023 15: 48
      So old and so in the army, though in senior positions and far from the front. But there are too few people like Suvorov and Kutuzov, Zhukov, Chernyakhovsky. As Stalin said, we have no other generals. soldier
  30. +9
    27 July 2023 08: 50
    But I’ll say otherwise !! Until politics stops working, we’re fighting here, and trading there, no mobilizations, new rules, laws, patriotic propaganda, etc., etc. will not help. As long as traders are in power and not business executives , nothing will change ... Moreover, more and more convictions are growing that this war is an agreement !!
    1. +7
      27 July 2023 10: 44
      This is a strange war. Why is logistics not destroyed? More precisely, it is extremely insufficiently destroyed. Bridges, tunnels, railway hubs, airfields? Are there too many of them, or do we have too few missiles? Unclear. Why is not declared the purpose of the destruction of the Kyiv regime, power? In this situation, in the fields, for villages and cities, we will fight for decades. We need other solutions, non-standard, asymmetric.
      1. +3
        27 July 2023 13: 19
        the decisions made correspond to some unnamed goals. Since there are no people punished for wrong decisions, then the decisions were correct, just the real goals were not named a little.
      2. +1
        27 July 2023 22: 05
        Because on the other hand, the war is also strange. The mere fact of the ban on the use of Western weapons on Russian territory turns the war into a kind of bloody sport. And it's not a fact that raising rates will be more profitable for us than for them.
  31. +3
    27 July 2023 09: 13
    Especially in the article, the phrase gave rise to: -.. "no draft dodgers or those fleeing abroad - service in the IDF is considered an honorable duty." So for information, there are enough evaders from serving in the IDF in Israel. In Israel, evasion is considered a criminal offense and is punishable by up to two years in prison. A conscript is officially declared a deserter if he did not appear at the recruiting station within 21 days from the date of receipt of the summons. Despite this, according to statistics for 2007 among men, the total percentage of those who do not join the army was 27,7%. Of these, 11,2% are ultra-religious Jews, 7,3% released for medical and psychological reasons, 4,7% due to criminal records and 4,2% due to living abroad ... There are various ways that allow conscripts to postpone the call date. For example, students are granted an automatic deferment for graduation from high school. You can also get a deferment, for example, by becoming a volunteer for a year's service in a youth organization.

    There are draft dodgers who prefer to leave Israel before they reach military age and not return to the country. A common method a state uses to combat this trend is to not renew a person's passport once it expires.
    According to the Israeli Defense Service Law, a person selected for military service cannot travel abroad without obtaining permission from the Minister of Defense. The same permission is required for deferred conscripts.
  32. +6
    27 July 2023 09: 17
    The country for several years, if not decades, was surrounded by enemies and ill-wishers. More precisely, it happened a long time ago, but awareness came only last year.

    Those who allowed this, are they fools or traitors?
  33. +11
    27 July 2023 09: 20
    in order to have patriotism like in Israel, it is necessary to raise the level and quality of life in the country .... to defend the Motherland, which only demands and offends, somehow out of hand .. and then they are sincerely surprised ... why did they run? You need to steal less and invest in people, not palaces and yachts ... and more ... the environment became hostile not suddenly and not just like that ... if you don’t know how to conduct competent diplomacy, then we won’t smooth it out with the lives of our children ... it’s easy to write here for those who nothing threatens, but my son is 18, and I’m not happy, to put it mildly, from what is happening, lawlessness is happening ... veiled under patriotism ... I don’t believe them
  34. +3
    27 July 2023 09: 24
    Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
    who is the commander, self-confident

    Yes, unfortunately, the new Rokossovskys, Vasilevskys, Konevs are not even close to be seen sad Yes, what is there, even such as Lebed, Rokhlin, Troshev and those are not. Strange they all left. Rather, they left, I don’t believe in coincidences ...
    https://yandex.ru/video/preview/16520076125736582535?tmpl_version=releases%2Ffrontend%2Fvideo%2Fv1.1145.0%23ccaf42a43f3dc89670d8e2d5c81fdd463ab7a665
  35. +5
    27 July 2023 09: 28
    The article is short, but the author burns, as they say in part

    "A year and a half of a special military operation has actually put an end to the concept of a lightning strike and the rapid conquest of a strategic initiative. More precisely, now it is virtually impossible in the fight against an opponent supported by a powerful coalition and technical intelligence. Even against semi-partisan formations and a deliberately weak enemy, a swift operation can take place with great conventions. This, by the way, is realized not only in the Russian military-political leadership ... "

    Well, of course, we don’t have smart analysts to think about the future, but we always reach everything through “bloody bumps”, and in general, running on a rake is our everything.

    "... the enemy has a numerical superiority, which largely levels out the technical superiority of the Russian army. To successfully complete the special operation in Ukraine, the only thing left to do is build up the Russian army, which, coupled with the best weapons, will make it possible to take control of new territories and force the Zelensky regime to unpopular solutions for him..."

    Is there exactly "technical superiority"? You don’t need to go far even here on VO there are articles that say that the counter-battery fight will still be better for those and the T-62, not to mention the T-54/55, coupled with all sorts of MLTB-based mutants, this is just exactly about " superiority, yes. And let me ask you what "unpopular decisions" we want to force Ze to, will he really carry out denazification and demilitarization, under the talk about what it all started on 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX?
    And maybe for the place of adding 3 years to work more carefully with what is already available and within the available time frame? And then I know a certain number around me who simply sagged in one way or another. And also, how, due to the increase in age, will the increase in recruits somehow affect the course of "own" if they cannot be attracted there?
    1. +3
      27 July 2023 18: 21
      They have better guidance systems. Aerospace intelligence, even in the Soviet Union, was weaker.
      Their communication systems are excellent.
      "Wanderer" is well developed, with the Chinese lagged behind. They are almost equal in quality, but they have experience and a large number of devices
  36. +12
    27 July 2023 09: 29
    Yes, we love to remember about the service in Israel, but not about its conditions. Provide a normal salary (50-100k), service near the house with overnight stays and days off outside the unit, normal training, and not cleaning the parade grounds, and the people will serve normally, but no - you have to shout about the need and not the bondage
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  38. +6
    27 July 2023 09: 38
    I wanted to propose something like this, that those who were not admitted to serve in the army were sent to Moscow to undergo the Final Medical Examination. I know that through the medical board of the military registration and enlistment office for big money they make them unfit for service, attributing to them different diagnoses, analyzes, examinations, putting other people's results, selecting them together for a specific analysis. A few years ago, they released one guy who did not particularly want to join the army and, most importantly, who had the opportunity to pay off, because. had his own auto repair shop, did not need it, according to him, he gave three hundred thousand.
    I suggest that such comrades who do not want to fight should give the ransom money Officially to the Ministry of Defense for the needs of the army, and not into other people's pockets.
    1. +1
      27 July 2023 14: 38
      I know that through the medical board of the military registration and enlistment office for big money they make them unfit for service, attributing to them different diagnoses, analyzes, examinations, putting other people's results, selecting them together for a specific analysis.


      Your data is very out of date. Now VVK cannot attribute or remove diagnoses, it can only send for an additional examination to a civilian specialist who will already confirm or remove the diagnosis. There are cases when the VVK removes an unapproved diagnosis, but after that they are laughed at in court.

      And I know for certain that the cases of "white-ticketers" are checked in the draft commission of the subject. That is, if the district commission wrote off the guy due to illness, and there are no supporting documents in the case, then the VVK of the subject will not write him off.

      Probably you can enclose other people's documents or edited documents. But I haven't heard of this. And why? You can pay the military commissar to make it so that you simply will not receive a summons. Although the category of suitability is A. And subsequently there are no restrictions on work, since the non-conscription category "B" imposes them.
  39. +3
    27 July 2023 09: 50
    The mobilized have been cut off from peaceful life, families, wives, children, relatives, work, sex, alcohol for almost a year.

    Not all and not everywhere. I say this on the basis of information about those mobilized from my district. I think the picture is similar throughout Russia
  40. +4
    27 July 2023 09: 52
    Fortune telling on coffee grounds. No one except the military authorities knows how many people after the first mobilization at the front, and not still in the reserve. .
  41. +8
    27 July 2023 09: 54
    The country for several years, if not decades, was surrounded by enemies and ill-wishers. More precisely, it happened a long time ago, but awareness came only last year. As well as understanding that the main allies of Russia have always been and remain: the army and navy.
    A deep bow to Vladimir Vladimirovich for the competently pursued domestic and foreign policy. Especially internal.
  42. -1
    27 July 2023 10: 14
    Probably, the second wave is already needed. Only it needs to be carried out smoothly, so as not to frighten people and not to overload the military registration and enlistment office with training manuals. The "first wave" needs a rest and a reserve for major offensive operations
    1. +2
      27 July 2023 10: 49
      "Large offensive operations" in a situation where the enemy's supply is not disrupted is a direct path to unreasonable losses among personnel
    2. +4
      27 July 2023 11: 01
      So where is the army? How much is it now, 1 million people, 1,5? Are they all on SVO? Probably not . Change them. 150 thousand volunteers seem to have been recruited. Or are these figures only on paper?
      1. -1
        27 July 2023 12: 41
        for every fighter in the trench there are 5 more people in the rear
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  44. +6
    27 July 2023 11: 09
    For mathematicians - the army can include from 200 thousand to one million military personnel, as part of a division up to 22 thousand

    The author does not understand military affairs at all, but writes articles! Well, even the USSR did not have combined arms armies from 200 thousand to one million people, and even more so, THERE NEVER HAS AND NOW THERE ARE NO divisions of 22 thousand each! An army is 2-4 divisions + a set of army units - all together (if there are 4 motorized rifle divisions in the state) a maximum of 100 thousand will pull.
    1. 0
      27 July 2023 22: 16
      By the way, it is very in vain that they were not. Especially after the actual disappearance of the corps link.
  45. +10
    27 July 2023 11: 32
    The second wave of mobilization in Russia is now meaningless.


    Aha! How.
    Only absolutely round idiots have not yet guessed what will happen in the fall.
  46. +11
    27 July 2023 11: 42
    We will not repeat the words of the leaders of the State Duma that the conscripts themselves asked for an increase in the conscription age.

    Once upon a time, all this already happened, our circus horse always walks in a circle. "At the request of the workers ...".
    The cycle of lies "like for good" in nature, the consequences of which we have also repeatedly observed, but are accustomed to thinking in the paradigm that "no, this is different."

    To be honest, I expected much more from the high-profile title of the article than it turned out to be.

    Regarding the alternatives to mobilization - at the moment we are "de facto" fighting on our own and adjacent territories in a way that we have not fought since 1944. Here I do not see any "instead" - we had to prepare for this from February 2022 to the mat. level, and carry out the second wave in January-February 2023 to the very edge. I consider it barbaric to think about putting in some specific age and gender groups, given that even without this we have a sad demographic and a sad life, for which we are rather making reverse efforts.
    Also, I have always adhered to the position that modern warfare is not a war of scripts shaved like knees in kirzachs - it is a war of high-precision weapons, aviation, intelligence and professional dagger effects. In such a concept, "scripts" are needed for defense reserves, defense of secondary areas, support for the occupation and replacement of part of the personnel officers in the rear. Perhaps for some work in the rear, for which contractors should not be distracted.

    When individual characters appeal to the Israeli army and try to project its experience onto us, it makes me want to laugh like a horse. Guys, can you see Israel on the map without a magnifying glass? You understand what a thing, they need such readiness because any successful breakthrough into their territory is fraught with the occupation of a significant part of it already in the first day. Culturally and aesthetically completely alien neighbors. Hence, of course, it is absolutely necessary that every man and many women there know how to act in case of emergency, there is a minimum of inert mass, they will stupidly not have time to “build up” in any scenario. Israel cannot be compared with our whale carcass, and approaches cannot be compared either. From most of the borders, we are not surrounded by neighbors who are eager to cut us into shreds, in general, a significant part of these borders is not even land. And we won’t impress anyone with training a la Israel in the same Far East - we don’t have such a crowded population there and in general the population is small.
    But, of course, everything will do for a red word - let's drag everything into the house, absolutely without a tower.

    And once again - in modern warfare, "human kalash" is just support for other means of defeating the enemy, at best, a tool to support the occupation or support defense, this is very clearly seen from how the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with all these mobilizations and supplies of equipment, are stuck and can only gnaw but don't break. So the solution must be sought in the technological and industrial plane, and not in the plane of further nightmares of our already gloomy population.
  47. +7
    27 July 2023 11: 52
    Quote: And Us Rat
    This generation will perceive it as an attempt to zombie

    And what is characteristic, will not be mistaken. Because he has the rudiments of the ability to think with his head, and not with a TV.
  48. +3
    27 July 2023 11: 56
    Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com
    varied diet: vegetables, fruits, salads

    Uh-huh, maybe include them in the minimum social food package? )))
  49. +7
    27 July 2023 11: 59
    Quote: Boris55
    it is necessary to return 2 years of service in the army and 3 years in the Navy.

    And why not 25 years, as under Tsar Palkin, eh, dear?
    1. 0
      28 July 2023 11: 46
      And this is because you probably didn’t serve and you can’t imagine how much time it takes to prepare a soldier. The conscripts of the 70-80s were much more literate and intelligent. And then only by the end of the 1st year of service they began to understand something. In a year, at best, a fighter will learn how to make a bed, clean his shoes, and walk in formation. And the technology was better back then. And now the technique is more complicated, the preparation of the conscript is about nothing at all. He just doesn't know anything. Studied at the USE. How to teach him on complex technology in a year? Yes, not a single platoon commander wants to let such an idiot close to the equipment, he will still burn it inadvertently, and the platoon commander will answer. He will work better with contractors. Now it is better not to call at all than for a year. Waste of public funds. The fighter served for a year: he came like a fool, he left like that, if not worse. I saw such demobilizations.
    2. -1
      30 July 2023 13: 15
      Under "Tsar Palkin", as you deigned to put it, the population of Russia grew, and after the revolution and, especially, the current leadership, the demographic boom! So, who ruled better?!!!
  50. +5
    27 July 2023 12: 04
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    To be honest, I expected much more from the high-profile title of the article than it turned out to be.

    Well, what did you expect from the deputy political officer in the style of another "Red Star"?
  51. 0
    27 July 2023 12: 31
    Trump also said that the states have no opponents on this continent and began transferring weapons to Europe. Trains with armored vehicles traveled for several months to the ports and from there to Europe. When all this equipment was transferred, we began a special operation. NATO laboratories in Ukraine stood still for days. Couldn’t they have started this operation earlier? As long as the states adopted a resolution on military assistance and delivered this assistance to the ports, we would already be near Kiev and Ukraine would be without weapons. And now the states have just decided on military assistance and here it is on a silver platter.
  52. +5
    27 July 2023 12: 38
    capital needs more meat! the loot is running out
  53. +7
    27 July 2023 12: 40
    “A year and a half of a special military operation actually put an end to the concept of a lightning strike and the rapid conquest of strategic initiative...”
    .
    What kind of nonsense are you writing? Putin put an end to the blitzkrieg with his peaceful corridors and pauses. Even more important are the false and Manila goals of the special operation. Troops cannot win if they are prohibited from killing their enemies.
    .
    For me, the turning point in the war will begin when the main goal of the special operation becomes the rescue of Russians from Bandera’s supporters, the measure of success is the amount of enemy manpower destroyed, and as a result, the replacement of all positions in the government apparatus, schools, business by Ukrainian Russians...
    This does not require mobilization and the use of nuclear weapons. It is enough to stop all deliveries to the West, invest Nabiulina’s billions in the country’s economy and prohibit any transfers abroad, except in payment for goods already cleared through customs. Grant the right to VTB to finance trade operations before customs clearance.
  54. +1
    27 July 2023 12: 50
    And no draft dodgers or those running abroad - service in the IDF is considered an honorable duty.

    And how will we achieve this?
    There is another way to increase the number of people eligible for military service - to deal with deferments.
  55. +2
    27 July 2023 12: 53
    “First of all, there was an acute shortage of personnel” - what does the principle of contract recruitment have to do with it? It is enough to recruit as many people as required. Subsequent events showed that there were quite enough people willing to serve.
    “But playing defensively is just playing defensively. At best, it will make it possible to preserve the liberated territories and partially exhaust the enemy” - this is not true in the bark. With a population of Russia seven times larger... well, then it’s clear.
    “almost 700 thousand contract soldiers are needed” - where does this thesis come from? Why not 1? Why not 000? Unclear. There is no justification. Secondly, a contract can be concluded for a period of much more than 000 year, which means that the period for recruiting contract workers must be significantly increased.
    “For mathematicians, an army can consist of from 200 thousand to one million military personnel, a division can consist of up to 22 thousand” - for mathematicians it will do, but for a military man it’s simply absurd. An army of up to one million people? Where and when??? In reality, the combined arms army is approximately 100 people, and this is more a minus than a plus. Likewise, a division is not just any 000 in the state, but it’s really good if it’s 15. This is about the author’s qualifications.
    “allows us to talk about an increase in the number of conscripts by approximately 30 percent” - another cunning of the author. There are approximately 140 million people in the country. population. This gives approximately 1 million men born in the same year. Even if half are sick (and in reality much less), then basic arithmetic gives a minimum of 500 people. for each age year. That is approximately 000 million people. And this is not mobilization, but simply a call for service!
    You can analyze the article further, but I’m too lazy, and everything is clear as it is.
    1. -1
      27 July 2023 17: 32
      then basic arithmetic gives a minimum of 500 people. for each age year.


      But in reality now approximately 147 thousand people are called up every six months. That is, less than 300 thousand per year.
  56. 0
    27 July 2023 13: 08
    there is no remedy against scrap...
    not enough troops! - it’s time to change the concept of using nuclear weapons
    destroy enemy rear units and warehouses and equipment with precise strikes
    it's better to start from the western regions
  57. +10
    27 July 2023 14: 38
    For 30 years the cow was only milked but hardly fed, and now they are very surprised why the cow gives so little milk and they want to increase the milk yield in 5 minutes by increasing the daylight hours, hoping that the cow will fatten herself! Enchanting
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    1. +2
      27 July 2023 20: 12
      Quote: tkoh
      I received 40k two years ago in Moscow.

      And this is not his circle of friends.
  59. +5
    27 July 2023 14: 51
    You can play with the size of the army to your heart's content, but the real changes will only affect the cost of its maintenance, if the maintenance of the service itself is not affected. It would be extremely naive to expect that a person will turn into Rambo if he simply spends more time in the army, during which he, as before, will see a weapon several times and, if he is very lucky, shoot an incomplete store somewhere in the direction of the target. Without real work being done, the level of training will not grow in any way.
    The problem of negative selection will not go anywhere as long as the military retains a reputation as a hotbed of crime, getting into which threatens not so much with death in battle as with the prospect of being robbed, maimed, raped or killed in the rear by their own colleagues. A vicious circle - when the armed forces are forced to be recruited mainly by anyone because of the unwillingness of even a relatively pro-military part of the people to join their ranks, caused by the actual moral decay of the army and the inability (or even unwillingness) of the commanders to maintain discipline in their formations - recruitment those who did not manage to escape or pay off will definitely not be torn apart.
    Therefore, I would propose to solve the problem of the number by transferring hundreds of thousands of "siloviki" and honored veterans of countless departments and departments to the active army. They have already been properly trained and trained, they are well motivated, since they decided to devote themselves to the service of the Fatherland, and in some cases they have already been consolidated into battalions, regiments and brigades, which can only be given armored vehicles, artillery and air defense equipment from warehouses.
  60. +3
    27 July 2023 15: 46
    First the army was destroyed, and now we are restoring it.
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    1. +3
      27 July 2023 18: 32
      Yes, you are right, this article is a typical excuse. hi
  62. 0
    27 July 2023 17: 07
    Quote: Bearded
    The mobilization was announced last year. Not the fact that according to the law it is necessary to announce some other mobilization. The recruitment age has been raised. The age of being in the mobilization reserve was raised. The release of weapons for the year increased repeatedly. Open sources are full of stuffing about the second wave of mobilization. The mobilized have been cut off from peaceful life, families, wives, children, relatives, work, sex, alcohol for almost a year. Someone was killed. Someone is wounded, shell-shocked. People need rest. Need a replacement.
    Will there be a second wave of mobilization? Who knows then. Is that only the Supreme and the General Staff. Perhaps it will be broken into waves or into ripples on the water. But it is obvious that you cannot denazify and demilitarize the whole of Ukraine with available forces. An offensive requires a numerical superiority. Troops and personnel are needed to occupy and control territories with a Naziified armed population.
    My opinion: everything is ready for the continuation of mobilization: laws, military registration and enlistment offices, weapons, uniforms. The rest is up to the personnel.
    Mobilization to be!!!
    In January, I was supposed to be removed from the reserve due to age. And now I'm a young reservist again. Truth of the third category. good

    And why are you so cake-loving?
  63. +9
    27 July 2023 17: 13
    The main problems: the fact that it started this way is a personal initiative of the GDP (everyone saw the meeting) for most people in the country this is a complete surprise. Apparently his plan failed, there was no plan B, a lot of things turned out not to be as GDP imagined. After all this, it turns out that the GDP started, it couldn’t stand it, now the whole country has to clean it up.
  64. 0
    27 July 2023 17: 15
    The contours of the “Korean version” are becoming more and more clear. Ukronastup sent to Bandera, according to various sources, more than 30 thousand, 1/4 of all NATO equipment, up to 70 thousand more were wounded, missing, disappeared, captured, etc. The horns were broken off, the hooves flew off, the teeth fell out, and the tail fell off. That's it, finish. But our offensive is not in the cards either, our sensitivity to losses is completely different than in the 404th, and there is no one or nothing to attack with. The LBS will become increasingly stronger on both sides. At the same time, missiles and drones will fly through the LBS in both directions, and I would think about disposing of our old missile and aircraft equipment by shooting along the 404th. In general, it looks like in chess, like a draw with White, but it still needs to be played. I admit that the destruction of critical infrastructure, primarily ports and bridges, may push the sniffers to negotiate. Not the worst option for us, but certainly not the best either. It seems that there is simply no good option, it is not achievable. And Korea has been without war for 70 years...
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    1. +2
      27 July 2023 22: 31
      Another one. Democrats were 20 years ago, furniture makers 10 years ago. For the last 11+ years, we have had biathletes (who were praised on this forum before the war). 10 years was to prepare for war. Few? In 1933 there were 100 men in the Wehrmacht, there were no tanks or planes. In 000 there were 1939 men in the American army, there were almost no tanks and planes. In 140, the Ukrainian army had a negative combat value, running from the yellow Niva. What did Shoigu do in 000 years?
  66. +1
    27 July 2023 18: 09
    In general, if this is already feudalism, then such a service is long, sort of like a mockery of those who must serve for at least 50 years, as ministers and other large shoulder straps serve. From 15 to 50 years old, someone who is smart is up to 60 years old. Create a nursery for giving birth, like cattle, and let soldiers in uniform immediately give birth. And at home, let them give birth right away in the officer's room and begin their service with junior officers, if dad has risen to the rank of colonel. And those who gave birth to generals, during childbirth immediately colonel, as soon as swaddled, immediately major general. When discharged from the hospital, immediately the colonel general and the star of the hero of birth, just gold. At the start of the service, so that there would be no confusion of epaulettes, or what they put on should be showered with diamond rain. For the ability to be born where it should be.
  67. +3
    27 July 2023 18: 11
    "technical superiority" guys, good afternoon.
    Do you want to know the truth? There, now, there is such a leapfrog that the devil will break his leg:
    At the beginning, they had a big advantage with UAVs, we had less, and we also had trained operators.
    Now the ratio for drones is 1,5 to 1 in our favor. In artillery, not my diocese, but I know from my colleagues.
    The number of barrel artillery we have is slightly higher, but their MLRS systems are more advanced, the number of tanks was 2 to 1 in our favor, but: T-90m, not enough, T-72 B3, not much more.
    They have the most vocational training facilities, of all kinds.
    There was a meeting in May: the training of our tankers was rather weak. We know little about the experience of Iraq and Palestine, but they take it into account.
    They say that last year they suffered the biggest losses in tanks. In the tank, what I heard from others, but air defense, surveillance systems, drones are mine
    RCC "Garpoon" and analogues - seriously
    1. 0
      27 July 2023 22: 36
      They have problems with the MLRS (HIMARS - multi-barreled OTRK). There are enough Grads and ammunition for them, but they ran out of missiles for Hurricanes and Tornadoes. It seems like they are scraping somewhere, perhaps even a small production has been established, but still very little. Recently there was a volley of a whole battery of Hurricanes, as they wrote about it in the newspapers.
  68. -5
    27 July 2023 20: 34
    The Ukrainian Armed Forces suffer repeated losses and do not take them into account. That’s why they have an ongoing mass mobilization.
    Although the Russian Armed Forces did not have such serious losses, no one canceled the need for rest. And for rotation, another mobilization is desirable. So that if there are 400 thousand on the LBS, 200 thousand are on vacation at this time.

    And it would be even better if they were on vacation in Belarus, so that the Ukrainian Armed Forces would not understand: they are on vacation, or they could launch an attack from the north at any moment.
    1. +4
      27 July 2023 22: 38
      Desirable - go. Moreover, with such a nickname, God himself ordered. By the way, in French, a nickname or pseudonym will be nom de guerre - "military name", "name for the duration of the war."
  69. +1
    27 July 2023 20: 37
    The main goal of what happened is an adequate response to the changed Russian environment. The country for several years, if not decades, was surrounded by enemies and ill-wishers. More precisely, it happened a long time ago, but awareness came only last year. As well as understanding that the main allies of Russia have always been and remain: the army and navy.
    Some strange adequate response to the belated realization about enemies and ill-wishers.
    ps But in general, it’s clear that the talk about SVO to the bitter end at any cost is mainly said by those who themselves will not participate in it...
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  72. +6
    27 July 2023 22: 54
    The Suvorovs and Kutuzovs, and the Zhukovs and the Rokossovskys, would not have interfered with these new rules of mobilization and the new mass of mobilized people. But they are not noticeable in the Russian military leadership today.
  73. +7
    27 July 2023 23: 02
    Such authors are in the strange belief that you can beat the casino if you quickly sell the apartment and bring in more money. Now we will call on another million hard workers and managers, mobilize officers from insanity for them, raise not only Stalinist, but also Tsarist howitzers from storage (well, the allies will throw guns of the 24th year of the Juche Era) - and take Kiev (optionally Warsaw) .

    Will the Americans let you? They watch closely to make sure neither side wins or loses. And they give Ukraine exactly as many weapons as they need to maintain the balance. Notice how quickly they react. They needed the extra Ukrainian potential to wear off, but they miscalculated a little, and it turned out that the Ukrainians could kill themselves against the wall. Immediately, in a few days, cluster shells were delivered - although in normal times one coordination lasts for months. They made a fundamental decision about the aircraft, but already next year. But ATACMS still do not give even in theory, it's too early. Everything is strictly dosed. And that's just the Americans. The British and the French have their heads on their shoulders - they realized earlier that the offensive with the available forces would not take off and, without asking Washington, they put long-range missiles, which cost us two generals with headquarters.

    So, for any of our gains, the West will simply add supplies little by little - they have something to offer. They pay with money, Ukrainians pay with their lives, and we pay with both. Both of these are not infinite.
  74. PiP
    -1
    27 July 2023 23: 16
    I don’t understand... Why does our country need an army? Is this a boot camp, a place to learn a new specialty, a place to hang out? There are officers (professionals with higher military education), there are “double basses” (those who have not found themselves in civilian life and those who understand that “war” is their calling), and there are also “PMCs” (professionals who have no place in the modern army RF) everything is clear to me with them. The motive behind the article is not clear. If we take the analogues of history, it makes no difference whether he served or served. The homeland will say, everyone will go to war (except for specialists, “water workers” and others “necessary”). The main question is WHY does the REGULAR ARMY, which they are drafted into, not fight, why is it needed? At the age of 18, no one asked me “whether you like it or not.” They called me up, taught me - go, shoot, kill, die. Without contracts and any offers of choice. Explain, maybe I don’t understand something.
  75. 0
    27 July 2023 23: 38
    So I’m a military medic, pot-bellied and bald. Why will they introduce standards for me soon? I do what I know how to do, why should I pass the standards? Everyone should do their job at their own age
    1. 0
      31 July 2023 06: 34
      I'm horrified to imagine an army of pot-bellied and bald people. Physical training is necessary for everyone. It's a pity that the doctor doesn't understand this.
  76. +2
    28 July 2023 00: 29
    First, social justice must be achieved, and not the continuation of the liberal course, they themselves understand this but are afraid to admit it to themselves, and want to buy with money. And social justice is the liquidation of the produced bourgeoisie, who through deception and nepotism received the material and technical base of the country taken from the people, and even sold to foreigners.
  77. 0
    28 July 2023 00: 43
    . The second wave of mobilization in Russia is now meaningless.

    Firstly, the material base, uniforms and weapons in sufficient quantities are clearly unprepared for it.

    Secondly, for a considerable part of society, this will create serious tension, which the country's leadership is trying to avoid. Sensitivity to human losses in Russia is now much higher

    Is the second wave pointless? Sitting on the defensive for years? Even on the defensive, we also die, and moreover, it’s on TV that they talk only about Khokhlyatsky losses, and no one will speak openly on TV about our dozens of artillery or MLRS dying from impact.
    You write not in what to put on?
    And why haven’t we done anything in a year to fix what we plundered in the Moscow Region?
    And if tomorrow there is a war, will we go to war in tights and sneakers?
    You write that the second wave will create tension in society?
    And the fact that 300 tons mobilized for a year outside the family does not bother the family?
    PySy: I heard that they are preparing reservations at the right enterprises, they raised the bar for 5 years, they made a fine and a ban on leaving the country for those who receive a summons and try to dump. All this is clearly for the second wave of mobilization and the young will most likely be less affected, they are from conscripts they pull contracts, but we’ll go for the tape under 50 and above. It’s so strange to me why this hasn’t already been done.
  78. -1
    28 July 2023 04: 30
    Raising the draft age is not related to the military service in Ukraine.
    The plague of few children in the Russian Federation will force the conscription age to be raised with the length of service and beyond.
    The budget cannot afford contract soldiers for a long time.
    1. -1
      28 July 2023 21: 00
      Cut officials by one and a half million, that's the money.
      The USSR spent less than 1,5% of GDP on bureaucrats numbering 1 million, now Russia spends 7% of GDP on officials, and their number has grown to 2,4 million people.
  79. 0
    28 July 2023 05: 23
    I ran in the first Chicha, lay there for a year later, there was trouble. It’s normal now, but it’s already been years. And to hell with the years, you can’t drink away experience. I'll go and the boys will go. Only after their children or with them is it better. Let's show the mother to them. And so. Lies, money, cowardice. I passed.
  80. +1
    28 July 2023 05: 27
    Special Operations Lessons. What kind of teacher sent the boys to slaughter once again? And from both sides. What kind of homework? From whom did he receive it, according to what training manual? Who is on his pedagogical council? Do their children study at this school? Where do they live? What do they buy doshirak for?
  81. +2
    28 July 2023 06: 32
    What is more effective? Return combat general Popov, exiled to Syria, to the front, promote him, expand his powers, fulfill his wishes? Or drive workers and drivers en masse to the front? The defense industry is already suffocating without personnel.
    By the way, Popov did not demand mobilization, he was talking about something else.
  82. 0
    28 July 2023 08: 26
    Smart people always fight with someone else's hands, and do not throw millions of their citizens into a meat grinder.
    According to various estimates, Russia is home to 15-20 million migrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus who have received or are awaiting Russian citizenship since the early 90s.
    This is at least a million and a half additional bayonets, which will give the Russian army an overwhelming numerical advantage and will allow demilitarization and denazification to be carried out in full.
    The second way is a military alliance with Iran and the DPRK and the attraction of “volunteers” from these clearly overpopulated states.

    The third way is the mandatory mobilization of officials, of whom there are more than two million in Russia. The President, by the way, spoke on this topic and stated that the careers of many officials will depend on their personal participation in the Northern Military District and cited the example of a deputy from Nizhny Novgorod..
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  84. 0
    28 July 2023 11: 39
    How the country's population is changing. How different are 18-year-old boys of the 80s from the current generation, which can only point fingers at a computer or smartphone. He seems to be 18 years old, but he doesn’t have a penny of brains. And in appearance he looks like a child. Where should we send something like this to war? So they wanted to raise the conscription age to 21 years. At least he looked like a man somehow. We counted the people, but again there weren’t enough of them. Here we are again back to 18 years of conscription age. There is a serious war going on, and we are afraid to take serious measures to recruit. What if the population doesn’t like it - after all, a consumer society has been created. In Ukraine, such a society has also been created, but there is a fairly strong layer of Nazis who do not care about conventions and the law, so with fists and kicks they drive into the army all consumers who did not have time to hide
  85. 0
    28 July 2023 13: 56
    Well, one can argue about insignificant enemy losses...
  86. 0
    28 July 2023 17: 45
    the enemy has a numerical superiority, which largely levels out the technical superiority of the Russian army

    Or maybe a list of technical superiority in the studio ... :)
    In addition to missiles, although there is more quantity than technical ...
    The same goes for aviation...
  87. 0
    28 July 2023 17: 51
    Kartapolov from the State Duma says: “Today we have a modern young man who is able to master all military specialties in a maximum of six months.”

    Balabol is cheap... :)
    Even in the SA for six months of training, the soldier did not master the specialty, but received primary knowledge and skills ...
    And only in parts, after almost weekly trips to the training ground + a couple of large exercises, did he become a "specialist" - i.e. in reality after 1.5 years of service ...
  88. 0
    28 July 2023 21: 24
    In addition to the army and navy, thanks to its ideology, the Soviet Union had a huge number of allies. In contrast to a country with only two and as a result of whose policies two wars were actually lost. Well, the absence of those willing, despite the increased salaries, but I’m afraid to name the reasons, will be fraught with being sent to l/s places.
  89. +1
    28 July 2023 21: 49
    When concepts collapse wholesale, within a year, the authorities begin to rush between “it’s they who have all piled on us and between it’s our people who are not talented enough.” And power has nothing to do with it. You can go puke.
  90. 0
    28 July 2023 22: 05
    I read to the point: a Russian masters a military specialty in a year (or maybe even in 6 months), while the average Israeli takes two and a half years?”, he didn’t go any further. If the author doesn’t understand that Israel’s mobilization resource is incomparable to Russia’s, then there is no point in reading his nonsense further.
  91. -1
    29 July 2023 12: 48
    This article does not talk about losses on our part, my brother, who went through Chechnya, Georgia, and has been in the Donbass since 2014, now with a wound in the hospital, said that since the beginning of the SVO since February 2022, only he was alive from the entire battalion, the rest have already arrived as replenishment, the basis of losses is art, since the beginning of the grain deal, shells do not save, if their bird has spotted a fighter in a trench, a dozen shells and mines fly at once, there is no counter-battery fight, there is no artillery reconnaissance. It’s just that the Nazis arrange devastation of our positions with artillery, then they bring new ones to the place of the fallen, and nothing is being done to resolve issues with Bandera’s artillery. No one commemorates the fallen soldiers at the hands of the Western Nazi evil spirits, and many know about our losses, so they are fleeing from demobilization wherever they can. Nobody wants to go to the slaughter if there is nothing to defend themselves with, thanks to some for bringing weapons and BC by sea to the ports, they realized a year later, when the ukroreich stocked up in full, how many soldiers died due to trade ...
  92. +1
    29 July 2023 14: 03
    Here I had a chance to talk with one serviceman in the MTO system of the Armed Forces. I'm in shock, it feels like we've been sleeping all the time since the 70s. What has been standard processes in civilian logistics for 20-25 years is just space for the army. Here at least 100 armies can be created, but the level of chaos and loss / theft will increase by a multiple. As for me, one of the civilians should be appointed the head of the logistics in the Moscow Region
  93. 0
    29 July 2023 23: 15
    There is also an option with robots, there was like a robot Fedor and he even seemed to shoot. winked
  94. 0
    30 July 2023 13: 11
    The army is a fragment of society, no matter how trite it may be! If in two decades we have not been able to defeat embezzlers and corrupt officials within the country, it is difficult to expect great successes in the military sphere!!! Although the foundation of defense has been laid well, take hypersonics, for example, the tasks of restructuring public administration must be solved now! In my opinion, this is a Triune task: 1) eliminating discrimination based on opportunities for improving well-being (10% of the population has 90% of the money); 2) transition to an open financial system (without Dark Accounting); 3) education of the younger generation under General Military Duty.
  95. 0
    30 July 2023 19: 37
    Not a word that there are 200 thousand migrants in Russia’s rear. which .. at any moment can begin to act in the interests of the enemy, is this like a well-thought-out plan??
  96. 0
    31 July 2023 01: 21
    They love us on someone else's limb in heaven. I look, and serfdom is getting stronger. Quick ideas. It may even be true at first glance. But this won't work for long. And the situation will become more complicated. If I understand correctly. I mean after Ukraine.
  97. +1
    4 August 2023 05: 21
    We lost eight years incompetently, giving both the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Ukronazism in general an opportunity to strengthen. Everything had to be decided in 2014 with little bloodshed. Now we pay triple, if not an order of magnitude more, the price for essentially the same tasks. Geniuses of geopolitics, damn ...
  98. -1
    4 August 2023 19: 00
    We repeat, only partially exhaust - at the moment there is no evidence that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are breaking into Russian redoubts, headlong and regardless of losses.
    That is, all the konashenkas from the screens of ALL televisions and the pages of ALL newspapers are blatantly lying to us?
    Decades of deceitful liberalization and denial of involvement in the Motherland have led to the fact that there is now a shortage of volunteers in the country.
    Sorry, who did you present this to? Yourself? or again - “bad boyars”?