Upgraded helicopter Ka-52M in the troops and in the Special Operations

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Upgraded helicopter Ka-52M in the troops and in the Special Operations
Russian helicopter pilots and their Ka-52M. Photo Telegram / Fighterbomber


The Ka-52 attack helicopters and their crews play an important role in the current Special Operation for the Defense of Donbass. They are almost constantly in the air, searching for and hitting enemy vehicles and other objects, demonstrating high efficiency. Earlier it was reported about the appearance of modernized Ka-52M helicopters at the front, and now this information is being confirmed. Mass deployment and use of new machines with the letter "M" will have a positive impact on the overall results.



From project to front


According to known data, the Ka-52M attack helicopter modernization project was created in the second half of the 2020s. In 21-2022 the industry built and brought to the test two experimental machines of the new model. The test program continued until XNUMX, and the helicopters confirmed the calculated performance. This made it possible to launch mass production for the supply of equipment to the troops.

In early January 2023, they announced the transfer of the first batch of serial Ka-52Ms to the troops. This batch included up to a dozen new helicopters. At the same time, mass production continued, and deliveries of the following batches are expected in the foreseeable future.

Shortly thereafter, the first reports began to come in about the dispatch of new Ka-52M helicopters to the Special Operation zone for testing in real conditions. Until recently, such news were not confirmed and remained at the level of rumors. However, indirect confirmation has now appeared - the Ka-52M is being mastered by the troops and, probably, even participate in the operation.


Pilots master the technique and probably use it in combat. Photo Telegram / Fighterbomber

On July 14, the well-known Fighterbomber blog published interesting photos. They depicted our helicopter pilots, who received new equipment, as well as their combat vehicle. According to a number of characteristic features of the helicopter's exterior, it could be determined that it did not belong to the basic modification, but was built according to the modernized Ka-52M project.

The first photos of the modernized helicopter in the combat unit naturally attracted attention. For example, the American edition of The Drive under the heading The Warzone published a large review in which it clearly proved that the helicopter in the photo is the new Ka-52M. Such conclusions were made based on the results of studying the equipment that fell into the frame. In addition, it is assumed that the shown helicopter and its crew are taking part in the Special Operation.

Combat work


Recent photographs have attracted the attention of foreign experts and the media. Now they are trying to assess the potential and effectiveness of the upgraded Ka-52M. Various versions are expressed, incl. negative nature. Obviously, the well-known foreign stereotypes about the chronic backwardness of Russian science and technology interfere with an objective assessment of the helicopter, as well as other samples.

Reliable and confirmed information about the combat use of the Ka-52M is not yet available. Ka-52s as a whole are constantly engaged in combat work, finding and hitting various targets. Then the Ministry of Defense or unofficial resources publish the results of such work in one form or another. At the same time, the published materials do not allow us to unambiguously determine in which cases the tasks were performed by the updated Ka-52M.


View of the starboard side. You can consider a new BKO direction finder. Photo Telegram / Fighterbomber

However, even without such materials, it is clear that the modernized helicopters, if they were really sent to the zone of the Special Operation, make combat sorties and solve the assigned tasks. At the same time, their crews gain experience with new systems and use their advantages. As deliveries of serial Ka-52Ms continue, their share in the current aviation grouping will gradually grow - as will the contribution to the general processes of forced demilitarization of the enemy.

Ways of modernization


As reported, the Ka-52M project was developed taking into account the experience of production, operation and combat use of attack helicopters of the basic modification. It provided for the refinement of the airframe, the carrier system and a number of mechanisms. So, the airframe was changed in accordance with the updated instrumentation. The rotors received an improved anti-icing system. Used reinforced chassis design.

The on-board electronic equipment complex has undergone a major upgrade, due to which they received an increase in combat characteristics and improved protection. In addition, the cabin equipment has been improved, both taking into account the use of new devices, and to improve ergonomics.

The original Ka-52 is equipped with the Arbalet radar system with the antenna placed under the radio-transparent nose fairing. The M project uses a different station, but its exact type has not yet been officially disclosed. According to some reports, this is the B006 "Rezets" radar with active phased array. According to The Drive, this version is supported by the presence of air intakes for the cooling system from below on the nose cone.


Comparison of optoelectronic stations GOES-451 (left) and GOES-451M. Photo by Thedrive.com / P. Butowski

With the help of the "Cutter" product, the helicopter can detect ground and air objects. Detection of ground targets, such as groups of armored vehicles, is possible from 40 km, air targets - from 50 km. Support is provided for several targets with shelling of the selected ones.

Ka-52 are equipped with GOES-451 optoelectronic station; upgraded Ka-52M are equipped with a more advanced GOES-451M. The latter retains the daytime, thermal imaging and laser ranging channels, but has improved range and resolution characteristics.

Serial Ka-52s carry the L380 Vitebsk airborne defense system. Experienced Ka-52M received the same BKO. In the series, the modernized helicopter received a new means of protection in the form of the L418 Monoblock complex. In fact, this is a further development of Vitebsk with the same architecture and improved performance. A set of four ultraviolet direction finders along the fuselage perimeter is still used. The infrared countermeasure systems under the fuselage are also preserved, but their shape and design have changed.

In terms of weapons, the Ka-52 and Ka-52M are similar, but there are important differences. So, both helicopters are equipped with a 30-mm 2A42 cannon, but the upgraded one received improved controls that improved accuracy. The range of missile and bomb armament for the two helicopters is still the same. Both are capable of using Vikhr and LMUR guided missiles, unguided projectiles of a number of types, etc. At the same time, the Ka-52M has the advantages associated with modern detection tools.


Ka-52 with LMUR missile under the wing. Photo "Russian Helicopters"

In the future, the expansion of ammunition is expected. First of all, the Ka-52M will receive a new extended-range guided missile Hermes-A. In the future, other models of weapons with improved characteristics and performance may appear.

Useful novelty


Thus, the development of an upgraded version of the Ka-52 attack helicopter has been successfully completed. The industry has begun mass production of such equipment, and at least one batch of it has already entered the troops. Moreover, new helicopters could already get into the zone of the Special Operation and begin to carry out combat missions.

The Ka-52M has a number of differences from the Ka-52, due to which it receives important advantages. Thus, the modernized sighting and navigation system allows more efficient use of existing weapons and creates a reserve for the introduction of new models. The new BKO improves protection against current threats and accordingly increases the likelihood of successful completion of the task. With all this, the helicopter version "M" retains a high degree of unification with the base sample.

The appearance of modernized helicopters in the troops is an unambiguously positive event - both in terms of the general processes of the development of the Aerospace Forces, and in the context of the current Special Operation. At the same time, it should be taken into account that so far we are talking only about the first batch of combat vehicles, and it will take several more years to form a sufficient fleet. Until that time, the existing Ka-52 helicopters will retain their niche and effectively solve the assigned tasks.
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  1. 0
    25 July 2023 06: 21
    Since there is a unification for 52 and 52 m, then it is necessary to upgrade the old version, it will be faster and cheaper than building from scratch, because they make T-72 from T-90.
    1. +7
      25 July 2023 06: 33
      Quote: ydjin
      Since there is a unification for 52 and 52 m, then it is necessary to upgrade the old version, it will be faster and cheaper than building from scratch, because they make T-72 from T-90.

      Unlike these "combat pebbles", we have T-72 and T-90 at the armored personnel carrier storage bases and they can be taken from there without weakening the battle line.
      So, new helicopters are needed, if only to make up for losses and quickly replace the already "very tired" Mi-24s. Yes, and I think that work on the modernization of the Ka-50 is carried out when damaged and "tired" "Alligators" arrive at the repair and restoration bases and factories
      1. 0
        23 September 2023 16: 08
        Quote: svp67
        Unlike these "combat pebbles", we have T-72 and T-90 at the armored personnel carrier storage bases and they can be taken from there without weakening the battle line.
        So, new helicopters are needed, if only to make up for losses and quickly replace the already "very tired" Mi-24s. Yes, and I think that work on the modernization of the Ka-50 is carried out when damaged and "tired" "Alligators" arrive at the repair and restoration bases and factories

        The old Mi-24 also needs to be modernized; there is a ready-made version of the Mi-35P "Phoenix"!
  2. +2
    25 July 2023 06: 53
    Something Mi35 completely disappeared from the reports. Yes, and the Mi28 somehow rarely flashes on the video.
    1. +1
      25 July 2023 17: 59
      Well, given the fact that, thanks to the classical scheme and the absence of a catapult, the survival rate of the Mi-35 and the pilots of these machines is many times less, this is not surprising
    2. +3
      25 July 2023 18: 41
      Quote from: lukash66
      Something Mi35 completely disappeared from the reports. Yes, and the Mi28 somehow rarely flashes on the video.

      They don't have Vitebsk. MO saved...
      1. -7
        25 July 2023 20: 12
        But there is a full-fledged armored cabin. And the Ka-52 has no armor at all.
        1. +1
          26 July 2023 12: 16
          The fact that the "urapatriots" offended by criticism do not negate the fact that the Ka-52 cockpit is NOT ARMORED. It is a fact.
    3. -2
      26 July 2023 02: 52
      Quote from: lukash66
      Something Mi35 completely disappeared from the reports. Yes, and the Mi28 somehow rarely flashes on the video.

      All the forces of the PR departments of the RF Ministry of Defense are thrown into the glorification of the Ka-52. There are no resources or time left to cover the real situation. It was the same with PMC Wagner. All tryndeli about her alone and did not pay any attention to other military units.
      Mi-35 is working and Mi-28N is working. The Mi-35, unfortunately, does not have the ability to use guided weapons, however, the Ka-52, although it has such an opportunity, also does not really use it, apparently it is so good that it can handle the NURS :)
      1. -1
        26 July 2023 21: 47
        The Mi-28 has a huge problem with the main gearbox. Many incidents and disasters associated with its destruction. It overheats a few minutes after takeoff. This is his main problem. A few years ago, a showdown on the topic of a very bad NVG pilot got out into the public field. It was very bad for the eyes. Further, as far as I know, the weapons operator sitting in front does not have duplication of control devices. If, God forbid, something happens to the pilot, the operator will sit stupidly and watch them fall. These are the significant shortcomings. And the Ka-52 also has enough of its shortcomings, but according to general estimates, this helicopter is more suitable for operation.
    4. 0
      26 July 2023 13: 28
      Quote from: lukash66
      Something Mi35 completely disappeared from the reports. Yes, and the Mi28 somehow rarely flashes on the video.

      They flicker, and are used quite actively. But it was the Ka-52 that showed itself best of all (which is not surprising and was quite predictable), which is why it is being promoted.
    5. 0
      26 July 2023 23: 08
      As Helicopterpilot wrote, until recently they did not have the ability to launch Whirlwinds, which are now mainly used.
  3. Owl
    -1
    25 July 2023 06: 58
    Modernization is great, but there still remains the problem of enemy air defense systems in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe line of contact, because of which enemy shelling is very often carried out from a nose-up, almost aimlessly, when repelling enemy attacks on armored vehicles, Whirlwind missiles were used to hit almost any tanks. Now the offensive is being carried out in small groups, artillery is working on the enemy and engineering ammunition (mining) is being used, helicopters are not used against military rear facilities because of the danger of using MANPADS and short-range air defense systems. It turns out that it is necessary with the help of UAVs to conduct reconnaissance and destruction (loitering ammunition, kamikaze drones, guided missiles) of air defense objects, and with volleys of "Grads" to plow the flight path of helicopters across the enemy's defense line.
  4. 0
    25 July 2023 06: 59
    The Ka-52M will receive a new extended-range guided missile Hermes-A. In the future, other models of weapons with improved characteristics and performance may appear.

    Perhaps ... Does the new missile also have laser beam guidance? Those. increased range, but is it necessary? The whirlwind has a range of 10 km, and this is already the limit of visibility.
    1. +3
      25 July 2023 12: 09
      Hermes with homing or external target designation, and flies either 20 km or up to 100 km, depending on the type of missile
    2. 0
      25 July 2023 18: 46
      Soon the Hermes complex will be sent to the NVO zone

      “Testing of the Hermes multifunctional missile system continues, it is being modernized “taking into account changes in the situation and tasks in the NVO zone,” sources in the Tula KBP said.

      "The decision on the supply will be made based on the test results," the source added.

      The Hermes long-range anti-tank system is a promising complex of a new generation of high-precision weapons - a multi-purpose reconnaissance and fire anti-tank system that combines the properties of artillery and anti-tank systems.

      The Hermes rocket with a detachable starting engine has a universal high-explosive fragmentation warhead.

      Controls - aerodynamic rudders. Start type - from TPK with expelling charge. For long firing ranges (up to 100 km), the rocket is equipped with an increased caliber launch stage.

      The control system is combined: at the initial stage of the flight, the rocket is controlled by an inertial system (for versions with a flight range of 15-18 km) or a radio command system (for versions with a flight range of 40 and 100 km), in the final section, semi-active homing of the missile is carried out at the target by laser radiation reflected from it or other types of homing.

      Hermes is prepared in several modifications.
      Aviation, land and ship.
      If everything goes according to plan, the ground one will compete with the Hymers.
    3. 0
      25 July 2023 22: 37
      On the Ka-52 there is an ECO, it should clearly see beyond 10 km. In general, it is necessary not to enter the air defense coverage area, and even better with homing.
    4. 0
      26 July 2023 02: 56
      Quote: Konnick
      Perhaps ... Does the new missile also have laser beam guidance? Those. increased range, but is it necessary? The whirlwind has a range of 10 km, and this is already the limit of visibility.


      She doesn't have anything yet. This rocket has been at the stage of "promising development" for more than 20 years. And so far I have not left this stage. And do not believe all these false ranges about 40 or even more so 100 kilometers. Just think how at such a distance to govern rocket? And the Whirlwind does not fly for 10 km. Or rather, he flies, then he flies, but like NURS. Management is possible for 5-7 km.
      1. +1
        26 July 2023 03: 58
        Quote: abc_alex
        And the Whirlwind does not fly for 10 km. Or rather, he flies, then he flies, but like NURS. Management is possible for 5-7 km.

        So what? In 1987, I put Sturm in a tower with 6.5 km. With a declared range of up to 6 km!
      2. 0
        28 September 2023 19: 30
        [quoteAnd the Whirlwind does not fly at 10 km. Or rather, it flies or flies, but like a NURS. Control is possible at 5-7 km][/quote]
        5-7 km of control is true for an ATGM attack, but for a whirlwind 10 km is the norm.
  5. +3
    25 July 2023 07: 07
    In the spring there was an article about the fact that helicopters are an "obsolete" and "inefficient" type of weapon. And then a couple of articles about how the tanks have become obsolete.
    But it turns out that they are very effective if used correctly.
    1. -5
      25 July 2023 14: 58
      In the spring there was an article about the fact that helicopters are an "obsolete" and "inefficient" type of weapon. And then a couple of articles about how the tanks have become obsolete.
      But it turns out that they are very effective if used correctly.

      Especially if you figure out what "competently" means.
      As can be seen from the reports of military correspondents and interviews with pilots, the times of urya-urya and raids on enemy territory are over.
      Now the trend is to launch missiles from a distance of 8 km from the LBS. Oh well, there will be goals.
      The only question is why the Kak-52 is needed, here the Mi-8 will probably fit. wink
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  8. +7
    25 July 2023 08: 18
    "Training a highly professional military pilot in Russia costs between $3,4 million and more than $7,8 million, Colonel-General Alexander Zelin, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force (Air Force), told reporters on Wednesday." ......... soldier The cost of a KA-52 helicopter (without a missile weapon system) is 1,075 billion rubles ($15 million), + 2 pilots, + rather expensive supersonic missiles. + technicians and airfield attendants, a fat target for "Himers" in the form of an airfield. And now you can minus me, but as a member of the SVO, I think that it is much more efficient to spend these huge sums on reconnaissance UAVs, attack drones - kamikaze, which, according to experts, according to the criterion (cost / efficiency when hitting 1 armored target) are two orders of magnitude (about 10 times) superior to a helicopter on the battlefield. ...
    1. +2
      25 July 2023 08: 54
      We are seeing an increase in the number of UAVs and we are seeing a very effective work of AT Helicopters in defense and hard work in offensive operations against prepared 404 defenses. And, just like that, we are observing the number of attack helicopters in the West and development trends.
      1. -3
        25 July 2023 09: 03
        With all due respect, harvester shooting is an efficient job? Effective only for the new Ka-52M and, possibly, upgraded from the new GOES. Well, the presence of a complex like "Vitebsk" has no alternative.
        1. 0
          26 July 2023 02: 57
          Quote: d4rkmesa
          Effective only for the new Ka-52M


          Seriously? Interesting, and where did you see that effective work of the Ka-52M? If there are no reliable bottom data at all that they were used at least somewhere? :)
          1. -1
            26 July 2023 21: 52
            And you will not be given reliable information. You are nobody and there is no way to call you.
        2. +1
          26 July 2023 18: 02
          Oh yes, they destroyed the combine once and now remember this incident all the time, and the fact that when Leo and Bradley went into battle shots immediately began to appear with their destruction by the Ka-52, in short, idiots like you remember one stupid incident all their lives
        3. 0
          26 July 2023 21: 51
          Just one video where they shoot at the harvester. However, the context is unknown. Maybe the pilots trained? Or maybe in the heat of battle they didn’t accurately identify the equipment? The context is not clear. Video with combine one. Just one. Only representatives of the Salonedoreich can draw far-reaching conclusions on this basis.
    2. +6
      25 July 2023 09: 38
      And now you can minus me, but as a member of the SVO, I think that it is much more efficient to spend these huge sums on reconnaissance UAVs, attack drones - kamikaze, which, according to experts, according to the criterion (cost / efficiency when hitting 1 armored target) are two orders of magnitude (about 10 times) superior to a helicopter on the battlefield. ...


      In Afghanistan, too, all the participants were, only those who flew them can talk about the work of helicopters.
      In essence, one example, a set of 6 bayraktars with a control station at a price of more than 4 Yak-130s when sold for export (for the Russian army, the price is two times lower). At the same time, 6 bayraktars, this is 600 kg of combat load, and they cannot lift anything larger than 100 kg. 4 Yak-130, raise 12 tons, that is, 20 times more. And this is only in terms of load, I'm not talking about speed, maneuverability.
      1. -1
        25 July 2023 11: 15
        Max. takeoff weight - 10300. Combat load - 3000-3500
        1. +4
          25 July 2023 16: 39
          Max. takeoff weight - 10300. Combat load - 3000-3500


          It was about the total combat load. In this case, 4 planes.
      2. 0
        25 July 2023 12: 11
        Take the Yak-130, unscrew two engines from it and build two light unmanned strike aircraft ...
        1. 0
          25 July 2023 16: 40
          Take the Yak-130, unscrew two engines from it and build two light unmanned strike aircraft ...


          The combat effectiveness of which will tend to zero.
      3. 0
        26 July 2023 07: 11
        IL-18 cargo 15 tons, IL-114 5 tons.

        At the same time, they can hang for a long time.
        And the resource is higher than that of the Yak-130.
        1. +1
          26 July 2023 13: 41
          Quote: Maxim G
          At the same time, they can hang for a long time.

          They can hang, but who will give them? bully
          1. 0
            26 July 2023 15: 28
            Quote: bayard
            They can hang, but who will give them?

            Outside the zone of destruction of the air defense system.
      4. 0
        28 September 2023 19: 44
        But for some reason, the Yak-130s with their 3-ton bomb load do not fly into the LBS zone and behind enemy lines, and bayraktars with 100 kilograms are quite frequent guests. If this UAV is not a pity, but losing a plane with its crew is painful.
  9. +1
    25 July 2023 08: 22
    First of all, the Ka-52M will receive a new extended-range guided missile Hermes-A.

    This two-stage missile has an inertial guidance system, the ground version has a range of up to 100 km, the aviation version up to 15 km. Those. only for stationary targets ... why does a helicopter need this weapon? Although it was previously installed on the Mi-24, so as a novelty it is relative. And as for equipment controlled with illumination by a laser beam, such a range is not needed, but such guidance will make the helicopter hang in the zone of application of MANPADS. Drones are needed for tracking and targeting with a laser beam, like on Apaches.
    1. 0
      25 July 2023 09: 44
      And as for equipment controlled with illumination by a laser beam, such a range is not needed, but such guidance will make the helicopter hang in the zone of application of MANPADS. Drones are needed for tracking and targeting with a laser beam, like on Apaches.


      Don't talk about what you don't know. All domestic ATGMs do not require a mandatory hover mode. They are perfectly launched and guided at speed, moreover, maneuvering is allowed during the guidance process. Only crews with low training can launch ATGMs from hovering.
      1. -2
        25 July 2023 11: 16
        All domestic ATGMs do not require a mandatory hover mode.

        Well, in flight it will be in the affected area.
        1. 0
          25 July 2023 11: 51
          Well, in flight it will be in the affected area.


          Have you launched at least one ATGM?
          1. -3
            25 July 2023 13: 46
            Have you launched at least one ATGM?

            What a stupid question? Every day I let laughing
            1. 0
              25 July 2023 16: 36
              What a stupid question? Every day I start laughing


              Well, except for the nose. lol
              But seriously, hitting a helicopter in WWI is possible only under ideal conditions and at a short distance. And that's mostly by accident.
      2. +1
        26 July 2023 03: 12
        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
        Don't talk about what you don't know. All domestic ATGMs do not require a mandatory hover mode. They are perfectly launched and guided at speed, moreover, maneuvering is allowed during the guidance process. Only crews with low training can launch ATGMs from hovering.


        It goes without saying. But you can imagine how the spot of the beam will "dance" when projected at 100 km. You just can't keep the rocket at that distance. No matter how you hang out the emitter and no matter how you set up the target-holding machine. Deviating the beam by 0,1 degrees will take the spot at the other end by more than 170 meters.
        1. +1
          26 July 2023 09: 33
          It goes without saying. But you can imagine how the spot of the beam will "dance" when projected at 100 km. You just can't keep the rocket at that distance. No matter how you hang out the emitter and no matter how you set up the target-holding machine. Deviating the beam by 0,1 degrees will take the spot at the other end by more than 170 meters.


          And why the hell does a helicopter work for 100 km? His WWI zone and the removal of 3-6 km from the front edge of the enemy. The survival rate of a maneuvering helicopter in this zone is quite high, while at the same time, optics provide effective search and guidance.
    2. +2
      26 July 2023 13: 59
      Quote: Konnick
      This two-stage missile has an inertial guidance system, the land version has a range of up to 100 km

      Quote: Konnick
      only for fixed targets.

      As a tool for counter-battery combat against the same "Haymars", "Panzer-2000" and other "Caesars" - that's it. Target designation from reconnaissance UAVs, which are now two orders of magnitude larger in the troops. Guidance system - inertial + satellite navigation. It is enough for the UAV to detect the target and throw off the coordinates, you don’t even need to highlight it.
      Quote: Konnick
      .why does a helicopter need this weapon?

      Maybe it’s necessary, maybe it’s not necessary, but as a mobile aviation launch platform, it’s quite a solution. Start on command in the right direction. The advantage of the helicopter platform is a quick exit to the waiting area for the launch command.
      Value - precisely as a tool for counter-battery combat, as well as for the operational destruction of high-priority targets. We now do not have long-range artillery and high-precision projectiles for it to fire at maximum range. Wait for the "Coalition-SV" for a long time and the self-propelled guns are not as mobile as a combat helicopter.
      Quote: Konnick
      Drones are needed for tracking and targeting with a laser beam, like on Apaches.

      What is the problem with organizing such detection, tracking, transfer of coordinates and control of hitting a target? If we now have 95 times more Orlans alone than before the start of the NWO? But now there are many other reconnaissance (and strike) UAVs capable of taking on such tasks. It is on the basis of such UAVs, ground (and sea ... perhaps on RTOs or patrolmen) launch and attack helicopters with Hermes on board, that it is possible to form RUK - reconnaissance and strike complexes ... The same RUK, the need for which the Bolsheviks and American imperialists spoke for so long, at the turn of the 80s and 90s. Yes
      bully
  10. +3
    25 July 2023 08: 50
    It is interesting about the use of radar in the conflict. The enemy massively uses BT, in theory, the radar should be used for its intended purpose.
  11. 0
    25 July 2023 09: 38
    War is an excellent engine of progress! It would be strange if cars with the letter "M" did not appear. I think after the war, not a weak update of all our equipment awaits us!
  12. +6
    25 July 2023 10: 43
    And photos of the flyers Ryabov attached those that show that they received volunteer help, for fees from ordinary citizens (first aid kits, r / st), when they were first published, they wrote on specialized resources, and not from the ministry
  13. +1
    25 July 2023 10: 44
    It was also necessary to add the ability to attack two different targets at the same time with guided missiles.
    1. 0
      26 July 2023 03: 14
      Quote: SkyMaXX
      It was also necessary to add the ability to attack two different targets at the same time with guided missiles.

      Well, until there are two-headed weapons operators in the crews, it will be impossible to do this. As an option - the third member of the crew. But, I remember that the Kamovites beat themselves with their heels in the chest and clapped their ears on their cheeks, that the second member of the crew was superfluous to them!
  14. +3
    25 July 2023 13: 15
    . well-known foreign stereotypes about the chronic backwardness of Russian science and technology.

    Interesting stereotypes. Well, it's better to be underestimated than vice versa.
  15. +1
    25 July 2023 14: 32
    Quote: quaric
    "Training a highly professional military pilot in Russia costs between $3,4 million and more than $7,8 million, Colonel-General Alexander Zelin, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force (Air Force), told reporters on Wednesday." ......... soldier The cost of a KA-52 helicopter (without a missile weapon system) is 1,075 billion rubles ($15 million), + 2 pilots, + rather expensive supersonic missiles. + technicians and airfield attendants, a fat target for "Himers" in the form of an airfield. And now you can minus me, but as a member of the SVO, I think that it is much more efficient to spend these huge sums on reconnaissance UAVs, attack drones - kamikaze, which, according to experts, according to the criterion (cost / efficiency when hitting 1 armored target) are two orders of magnitude (about 10 times) superior to a helicopter on the battlefield. ...

    Everything that you wrote here can be attributed to a greater extent to the troops conducting defensive operations. And in the offensive, in your opinion, who will provide air support to the troops - Lancets, Orlans, and other UAVs? And if it is necessary to promptly support troops in one or another defensive sector where the enemy is breaking through, or in the direction of attack, where suddenly ours will not have either kamikaze drones or other smart UAVs for various reasons, then what to do in this case? sad
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    2. 0
      25 July 2023 15: 39
      Yes, be the same already realists ... A helicopter thrown into the offensive, if the enemy has the latest versions of "stingers" (Block II), is just a big and easy target with two super-expensive pilots in terms of training. The helicopters showed real efficiency when working from long distances, being two to three kilometers from the line of contact. Support on the march, again, is much more effective with the help of drones that work directly from the commander of the leader of the march - offensive. Because 10 drones with 10 operators is better than one noisy helicopter, which, by the way, does not fly in bad weather, and which requires a fuel truck, equipment, and an airfield ...
      1. +3
        25 July 2023 17: 10
        And you do not get sick and be a realist. Most of the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, at least in the first weeks of the enemy’s counterattack on Zaporozhye, was knocked out by aviation, mainly by helicopter pilots.
      2. +1
        26 July 2023 03: 22
        Quote: quaric
        Yes, be the same already realists ... A helicopter thrown into the offensive, if the enemy has the latest versions of "stingers" (Block II), is just a big and easy target with two super-expensive pilots in terms of training. Helicopters showed real efficiency when working from long distances, being two to three kilometers from the line of contact.


        So this is his BASIC mode of operation, if you did not know. For this, a healthy sighting system is mounted for him, so that the operator sees what is happening kilometers away from him, as if in front of his nose. It was also contraindicated to hang helicopters over the battlefield BEFORE the appearance of the "latest versions of stingers". Even a domestic arrow born in 1968 provided a statistical 75% victory in a helicopter battle.
        The Mi-28N, of course, is expensive on its own and requires a well-trained crew, but with skillful and correct use, it is able to control a fair section of the front, since it itself is a very advanced reconnaissance system, it does not need third-party target designation. Unlike UAV operators. In addition, with the adoption of the "Product 305", the helicopter itself actually became the carrier of the UAV "flying camera".
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        26 July 2023 21: 55
        If a helicopter flies at low altitude, then it is very difficult even to accompany it with your eyes, not to mention the capture by MANPADS devices.
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          30 October 2023 01: 30
          Helicopters, in order to avoid detection by AWACS aircraft, flew at low altitudes around the terrain, using natural shelters such as gorges. The Mi-8/17, piloted by experienced pilots, often flew over highways. In this case, AWACS identified the helicopter as a truck. Often, before carrying out combat missions, all markings were washed off from helicopters so that interested parties could not determine the nationality of the aircraft.
  16. +2
    25 July 2023 19: 31
    I didn’t see something in the new Ka-52M as a solution to the vibration problem .. otherwise, in some modes, the pylons with suspensions are shaking .. i.e. THIS problem is not considered a priority ... to make a 30mm side cannon more precisely is paramount (well, yes, up to ..hr..Ka-52 works as a cannon on the ground), but the fact that the turntable shakes like an epileptic is a trifle ..
    1. +2
      25 July 2023 19: 39
      Read a detailed article by Peter Butowski about the Ka-52M. There is probably something on this topic.
      https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/enhanced-version-of-russias-ka-52-attack-helicopter-appears
      Or here are some more links to articles about the Ka-52M in Russian.
      https://dzen.ru/a/ZL4_lzSLlDxG7UTA
      https://dzen.ru/a/ZL6zdfJ4xQnk0coe

    2. +2
      26 July 2023 01: 08
      And in which helicopter did you see a solution to the problem with vibration, did you fly on many where this problem is absent?
  17. +1
    26 July 2023 18: 23
    View of the starboard side. You can consider a new BKO direction finder. Photo Telegram / Fighterbomber
    It is curious where the employees of military counterintelligence are looking. To make the enemy do without fans a photo for memory from the places of the NWO ... am
  18. 0
    29 July 2023 15: 48
    Quote: quaric
    Yes, be the same already realists ... A helicopter thrown into the offensive, if the enemy has the latest versions of "stingers" (Block II), is just a big and easy target with two super-expensive pilots in terms of training. The helicopters showed real efficiency when working from long distances, being two to three kilometers from the line of contact. Support on the march, again, is much more effective with the help of drones that work directly from the commander of the leader of the march - offensive. Because 10 drones with 10 operators is better than one noisy helicopter, which, by the way, does not fly in bad weather, and which requires a fuel truck, equipment, and an airfield ...

    If our hero pilots during the Great Patriotic War thought, as you did, that the enemy had anti-aircraft guns, Oerlikons, Messerschmitts, it would be better if the country "stamped" more artillery pieces .... How would it all end, and where would the country end up? sad
  19. 0
    29 July 2023 15: 53
    Quote: oppozite28
    View of the starboard side. You can consider a new BKO direction finder. Photo Telegram / Fighterbomber
    It is curious where the employees of military counterintelligence are looking. To make the enemy do without fans a photo for memory from the places of the NWO ... am

    It reveals "sedition" among the commanders of units, formations, and associations. The protection of state secrets, as well as the theft of property and budget funds in the Moscow Region, judging by the results, they are probably less concerned about .... sad
  20. 0
    29 July 2023 16: 31
    "probably, probably, the data is missing ... etc., etc." not an article, but fortune-telling on coffee grounds. I didn’t even read it to the end.
  21. 0
    31 August 2023 19: 27
    I was lucky enough to fly the Ka-26, Ka-27 and Mi-8, so flying a coaxial configuration is twice as easy, almost like an airplane, but my opinion is that the Mi-28 and Mi-35 should also be upgraded to the level of the Ka-52M , although our country will not be able to carry all three helicopters, the armor on the Mi-28 is better, and even better, the Ka-50M would be launched into production, and the Ka-52M would distribute target designation in the flight, significant savings on pilots. Like this! We at SVVAUL had a constant debate over the Mi-28 and Ka-50, time has shown that the coaxial design is better. soldier
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