Non-Auxiliary Fleet: Results of the Unsystematic Development of the Russian Auxiliary Fleet

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Non-Auxiliary Fleet: Results of the Unsystematic Development of the Russian Auxiliary Fleet
A typical situation for the US Navy is the transfer of fuel on the move and at the same time carrying cargo by helicopters. For the Russian Navy, this is an unattainable level of capability. Photo: US Navy


Since ancient times, warships have needed the support of auxiliary vessels. Even the English sailing ships of the Napoleonic Wars, which are considered to be quite autonomous ships by modern standards, when serving in the Mediterranean and Baltic Seas, needed transports for the delivery of food. When ships were equipped with steam engines, their dependence on auxiliary ships only grew. Let us recall, for example, the armada of coal miners who accompanied the Second Pacific Squadron during the transition to the Far East.



What exactly are auxiliary vessels needed for? Imagine a ship returning to base after completing a training task at sea. For mooring, he needs a tug. As a rule, tugboats from a commercial port are not available in the bases, so the Navy must have its own. You can, of course, show sea dashing and moor without tugs, but from a certain displacement this trick no longer works. Moreover, it will not work in strong winds. Ships, in order not to pollute the water area of ​​the bases beyond measure, must hand over bilge (oil-containing) water - for this, bilge water collector vessels are used. And again, such a vessel, owned by a commercial firm, may be far from the base fleet, so the fleet in a particular base needs its own bilge water collector.

In the event of a threat of a nuclear strike, the fleet command may decide to disperse the basing of ships. Ships will anchor in wild bays where there may be no infrastructure. First of all, they will have to be provided with fuel, water and food. Ammunition, sources of electricity so that the ship does not waste the resource of its generators, and a workshop for the maintenance of the ship will also not be superfluous.

To create such an impromptu base, tankers, weapons transports, and mother ships will be needed. In this case, you will not replace support vessels with any motor transport, and even the USSR did not have enough resources to create coastal infrastructure for ships in every wild bay. Moreover, in the event of a real outbreak of a nuclear war, only the stocks stored on board support vessels will be available to the command, since the bases and arsenals of the fleet can be destroyed.

If you do not believe in the possibility of a nuclear strike, then imagine that all the bases of the fleet in the theater fall within the range of enemy ground-based cruise missiles or sea and air UAVs. Of course, there are air defense bases, but there is always a chance that it will not cope. In addition, such a number of enemy agents live in these bases that they can collect rallies if they wish, and not only track the movements of our ships. In this case, the dispersal of ships in civilian ports and just suitable bays will be a way to make it difficult for the enemy to target them with missiles.

Or let's imagine that Russia has received the go-ahead to establish a forward naval base (or at least a logistics center) in an African country. It is possible, of course, to deploy the construction of coastal infrastructure on the spot, but, as storypower in African countries can change rapidly and unpredictably. And after the change of power, the base will have to be evacuated, leaving all the buildings behind. It is much easier to set up a floating pier in the designated bay and moor a floating workshop to it, which will act as a mother ship, a tanker, a storage ship and, if necessary, a floating barracks. Deployment and evacuation (if necessary) of the base in this case will occur much faster.

When carrying out operations and when carrying out combat service by ships far from their bases, the need for support vessels is obvious. For reference: as part of the squadron of Vice Admiral Nagumo, who attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, there were 6 tankers for 14 aircraft carriers and 7 other surface ships. Without refueling at sea, the Japanese fleet could not have carried out this operation.

Since the beginning of the 2000s, the auxiliary fleet of the Navy began to be gradually updated. I would like to consider and analyze the projects of new ships entering the fleet. First of all, ships designed to serve surface ships. Hydrographic and rescue vessels, as well as vessels for servicing nuclear submarines, will not be considered in the article, since one must have specific experience of work / service on these vessels in order to give a competent assessment of their projects.

Project 23120


Multifunctional logistic support vessel (MSTO) of project 23120. The project was developed by St. Petersburg CJSC Spetssudoproekt. 2 ships were built: "Vsevolod Bobrov" (serves at the KChF) and "Elbrus" (serves at the KSF).


The Vsevolod Bobrov (serial number 881) project 23120 logistic support vessel built at Severnaya Verf Shipbuilding Plant PJSC during the flag-raising ceremony and commissioning into the Russian Navy. Kronstadt, 21.08.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX. Photo: Curious / forums.airbase.ru

Register class: KM Arc4 [1] AUT 1 DYNPOS-2 EPP BWM (ES) Supply vessel.

Register class decoding:

Arc4 - during the summer-autumn period of navigation in the Arctic, the ship can sail in thin first-year ice up to 0,9 m thick. During the winter-spring navigation period in the Arctic, navigation in thin first-year ice up to 0,7 m thick. Year-round navigation in freezing non-Arctic seas in light ice conditions;

[1] - the ship meets the requirements of single-compartment floodability, i.e., it retains buoyancy and stability when one compartment is flooded;

AUT 1 - the volume of ship automation allows it to be operated without the constant presence of a watch in the engine room;

DYNPOS-2 - the vessel is equipped with a dynamic positioning system with a double degree of redundancy;

EPP - the vessel is equipped with a main propulsion electrical installation;

BWM (ES) - the ship manages ballast water through its exchange at sea. This characteristic describes the ship's compliance with international environmental requirements and is irrelevant for describing its functionality;

Supply vessel - supply vessel. In fact, the vessels of project 23120 are analogues of supply vessels that operate to provide drilling rigs on the shelf and underwater operations.

Major TTX

Purpose of the vessel:

• loading, storage, transportation and transfer of dry cargo and fresh water to the shore and ships;
• towing support, assistance to the crews of ships and ships in distress.

Displacement (maximum):

• about 9 tons.

Deadweight:

• about 4 tons.

Full speed:
• 18 knots.

Navigation range:

• 5 miles.

Autonomy by provisions:

• 60 days.

Crew:

• 27 people;
• the ship can accommodate up to 46 people.

Additional devices:

• platform for receiving/transferring cargo from a helicopter in the stern;
▪ hydroacoustic complex based on a multibeam echo sounder;
• pressure chamber (stationary).

Diesel-electric power plant, consisting of:

• four main diesel generators with electric power of 4 kW each;
• two RTOs with coaxial fixed-pitch propellers with a power of 6 kW each;
• parking diesel generator with electric power of 1 kW;
• emergency DG with electric power of 238 kW;
• 2 bow thrusters (NPU).

Dynamic Positioning System:

• keeps the vessel above the positioning point within a circle with a radius of 3 m at current speed up to 1,5 knots, wind speed up to 15 m/s and wave height up to 4 m.

Cargo and towing devices:

• two electro-hydraulic jib offshore cranes with a lifting capacity of 9 meters 50 tons each with a maximum reach of 25 meters (3 tons);
• electro-hydraulic cargo crane with a folding telescopic boom with a lifting capacity of 6 tons with a maximum outreach of 16 m;
• cargo deck with an area of ​​700 m2, designed for a load of 5 t/m2 and equipped to transport 20- and 40-foot containers;
• max, total weight of deck cargo – 2 tons;
• 2 towing winches with a pulling force of 120 and 25 tons.

The above performance characteristics indicate the approximate displacement (which is not critical) and the approximate deadweight (and this is already important). Unfortunately, different sources give different figures.

The main article in the supply of ships at sea is fuel. The weight of the fuel supplied to the ship when supplying it in combat service is incomparably higher than the weight of technical equipment and provisions. The second article in the supply, comparable (but not equal in volume) is fresh water. But the fact of the matter is that the Project 23120 vessel is not intended for bunkering (refueling) ships at sea and in the base.

Theoretically, closing your eyes to safety precautions, you can pour diesel fuel into a part tanksdesigned for fresh water, and give out fuel for ships from them. But this is a frank palliative from the category bad maritime practice. It is very strange that the "designers" did not provide for the constructive possibility of refueling ships in the project. Many civilian supply vessels (in fact, pr. 23120 is such) are able to take fuel into cargo tanks and transfer it to oil rigs and other vessels at sea.

It turns out that a multifunctional logistics support vessel is not able to satisfy the ships in their main needs. Sending him to combat service just for the sake of transporting dry cargo is somehow illogical. Anyway, the tankers that go with the ships to the BS have dry cargo holds for provisions and other property.

Using project 23120 to supply military garrisons in the Arctic, the Far East, or military bases abroad is also unreasonable. Because this is a relatively large ship with a powerful power plant (main power plant), which consumes a lot of fuel, while the ship has a small carrying capacity. For such purposes, a simpler and smaller vessel is suitable. Structurally, it can be a simple dry cargo ship with an ice class, which, due to a higher displacement utilization factor, will have a lower displacement and lower fuel consumption with the same carrying capacity.

It turns out that the main purpose of pr. 23120 is rescue and underwater work. He can do them perfectly. In addition to towing, the ship is capable of diving. On the extensive cargo deck, autonomous underwater vehicles can be placed, which can be lowered using 50-ton cranes. And the dynamic positioning system allows you to do this even in fresh weather. By installing additional containers, the vessel can even be converted into a cable layer. This conversion takes a couple of days.

Thus, in fact, the fleet received another sea rescue tug with the option of "dry cargo ship plus tanker-aquarius".

Another drawback is the lack of a helipad on the ship, but on a ship with a displacement of 9 tons it could well have been placed somewhere.

Project 20360


Maritime weapons transport. The project was developed by AO KB Vympel. In 2010, one vessel "VTR-79" (serves at the CFL) was put into operation.

Register class: KM * LUZ [1] II SP A2.

LUZ - regular navigation in the small broken ice of the Nearctic seas up to 0,7 m thick;

[1] - the ship meets the requirements of single-compartment floodability, i.e., it retains buoyancy and stability when one compartment is flooded;

II SP - a ship of mixed (river-sea) navigation on waves with a wave height of 3% probability of 6,0 m, with a distance from the place of refuge: in the open seas no more than 50 miles and with an allowable distance between places of refuge no more than 100 miles; in closed seas not more than 100 miles and with an allowable distance between places of refuge not more than 200 miles;

A2 - the scope of automation allows the operation of the mechanical installation of the ship by one operator from the central control room without the constant presence of maintenance personnel in the engine rooms.

Major TTX

Purpose of the vessel:

• acceptance from berths and transfer to ships of special cargoes at base points, in open roads and at sea with waves up to 3 points.

Displacement (maximum):

• 1 tons.

Deadweight:

• 445 tons.

Full speed:

• 10,5 knots.

Navigation range:

• 3 miles.

Autonomy by provisions:

• 10 days.

Crew:

• 23 people.

Single-shaft diesel power plant, consists of:

• 2 Deutz F8M1015MC electric motors with a capacity of 600 hp each. with., working on 2 VFSh;
• 3 diesel generators with a capacity of 318 kW each;
• bow thruster (NPU) with a capacity of 125 kW.

Cargo devices:

• crane with a lifting capacity of 20 tons.

According to pr. 20360, only one vessel was built. The project was considered unsuccessful, the second in the series was completed as an experimental vessel. "VTR-79" is a mixed navigation vessel (river-sea), therefore it can maneuver between fleets along inland waterways.

Maritime transport of weapons "VTR-79" project 20360. Photo: Wikipedia

20360M project


Maritime weapons transport. The project was developed by AO KB Vympel. At the moment, 2 vessels of this project are being built: "Vladimir Pyalov" (it is assumed that it will serve at the DKBF) and "Gennady Dmitriev" (it is assumed that it will serve at the KChF).

Maritime transport of weapons of the project 20360M. Figure: website of the Vympel ship design bureau.

Major TTX

Purpose of the vessel:

• acceptance from berths and transfer to ships of special cargoes at base points, in open roads and at sea with waves up to 3 points.

Displacement (maximum):

• 3 tons.

Deadweight:

• about 800 tons.

Capacity:

• 400 tons.

Full speed:

• 14 knots.

Navigation range:

• 3 miles.

Autonomy by provisions:

• 30 days.

Crew:

• 25 people;
• the ship can accommodate up to 45 people.

Additional devices:

• Helicopter runway (without basing and refueling).

Single-shaft diesel power plant, consists of:

• 2 azimuth SRCs with a capacity of 2 kW each;
• 3 main diesel generators with a capacity of 1 kW each;
• bow thruster (NPU) with a capacity of 300 kW.

Cargo devices:

• crane with a lifting capacity of 20 tons.

Unfortunately, we could not find a maritime register class for this vessel. But, judging by the photographs, it should have unlimited seaworthiness, unlike Project 20360.

In 2018, the Caspian Flotilla successfully completed exercises on loading Caliber on the high seas onto the Uglich small missile ship from the VTR-79. Therefore, we can say that loading a b / c at sea in good weather (with waves up to 3 points) from the side of pr. 20360 or pr. 20360M is quite a feasible task. Although whether it is necessary to load ammunition on the high seas at all is a moot point, but more on that below. The ship is needed primarily for loading special cargo onto ships in bases.

Etc. 20360 and 20360M can be considered not only as a transport of weapons, but as a military transport for general tasks. For example, at the Kavkaz-2020 exercises, 79 BTR-10A were placed on the deck of the VTR-82, which he floated with his crane during the landing ("This is impossible in a real battle": in Poland, they appreciated the landing of armored personnel carriers from sea transport).

This method of disembarkation cannot be called new or advanced. Back in 1936, in the Pacific Fleet, it was already being practiced for unloading amphibious tanks into the water during landing. Etc. 20360 or 20360M with its 20-ton crane would have looked better in March 2022 in Berdyansk than BDK pr. 1171, which, due to the insufficient carrying capacity of ship cranes, could not unload armored vehicles onto the pier without the help of a floating crane.

Project 03180


Project 03180 multifunctional integrated port service vessel. 4 vessels were built.


Drawing of the vessel project 03180

Register class: KM Ice3 R2 Aut1 Oil Tanker (>60° C) ESP.

Ice3 - regular swimming in small broken ice of the Nearctic seas up to 0,7 m thick.

R2 - navigation in sea areas in waves with a wave height of 3% probability of 7,0 m, with a distance from the place of refuge not more than 100 miles and with an allowable distance between places of refuge not more than 200 miles.

AUT 1 - the volume of ship automation allows it to be operated without the constant presence of a watch in the engine room;

Oil Tanker (>60 °C) is a sea vessel designed for bulk transportation of oil products with a flash point of more than 60 °C. It means that aviation The ship cannot carry kerosene or gasoline.

Major TTX

Purpose of the vessel:

• acceptance, storage, transportation and transfer of liquid cargoes;
• supplying ships/ships with cargo in barrels, boxes, pallets, etc.;
• collection of bilge, sewage and fecal water, dry garbage and food waste.

Displacement (maximum):

• 2 tons.

Capacity:

• 1 tons.

Full speed:

• 9 knots.

Navigation range:

• 1 miles.

Autonomy by provisions:

• 10 days.

Crew:

• 14 people.

Single-shaft diesel power plant, consists of:

• 2 steerable propellers US 155 from Rolls-Royce, VFSh without nozzle;
• 2 Caterpillar C32 diesel engines with a power of 970 kW each, are used to drive the VRK;
• 3 diesel generators with a capacity of 150 kW each;
• 1 diesel generator with a capacity of 75 kW;
• bow thruster (NPU) with a capacity of 75 kW.

Cargo devices:

• deck crane PK 50002M, Palfinger, with a lifting capacity of 2,5 tons at an outreach of 13,8 meters.

Etc. 03180 is a regular raid/base tanker designed to service ships in bases.

Project 03182


Small sea tanker of project 03182. The project was developed by JSC Zelenodolsk Design Bureau. 1 ship "Vice-Admiral Paromov" was built (serves at the KChF). 3 more ships are being completed.


The lead small sea tanker Vice-Admiral Paromov (serial number 850) of project 03182 built by Volga Shipbuilding Plant JSC (Nizhny Novgorod) built in Sevastopol on November 26.11.2020, XNUMX. Photo: A. Brichevsky

Register class: KM ® Arc4 [1] Aut1 Oil tanker.

Arc4 - during the summer-autumn period of navigation in the Arctic, the ship can sail in thin first-year ice up to 0,9 m thick. During the winter-spring navigation period in the Arctic, navigation in thin first-year ice up to 0,7 m thick. Year-round navigation in freezing non-Arctic seas in light ice conditions;

[1] - the ship meets the requirements of single-compartment floodability, i.e., it retains buoyancy and stability when one compartment is flooded;

AUT 1 - the volume of ship automation allows it to be operated without the constant presence of a watch in the engine room;

Oil tanker - oil tanker. Since the cargo flash point limit is not specified in the register class, it can be assumed that the ship can also carry flammable fuels, such as aviation kerosene.

Major TTX

Purpose of the vessel:

• acceptance, storage, transportation and transfer of liquid cargoes;
• supply of vessels/ships with cargoes in barrels, boxes, pallets, containers, etc.;
• collection of bilge, sewage and fecal water, dry garbage and food waste.

Displacement (maximum):

• 3 tons.

Deadweight and carrying capacity:

• deadweight 1 tons (according to other sources, about 560 tons).

The vessel can take up to 200 tons of fuel oil, 400 tons of diesel fuel, 500 tons of fresh water, 100 tons of oily water, 100 tons of sewage and fecal water, 150 tons of other cargo and 235 tons of its own reserves.

Such a load cannot be considered a constant. For example, diesel fuel can be freely taken into tanks intended for fuel oil (before that, the tanks must be thoroughly washed) and, most likely, kerosene can be taken into all ship tanks. In order to understand the exact capabilities of a vessel for the transportation of liquid cargo, one must have access to the technical documentation for project 03182. The author of the article does not have one.

Full speed:

• 14,4 knots.

Navigation range:

• 1 miles.

Autonomy by provisions:

• 30 days.

Crew:

• 24 people;
• the ship can accommodate up to 44 people.

Additional devices:

• Helicopter runway.

Single-shaft diesel power plant, consists of:

• 2 propulsion motors with a capacity of 1 kW each;
• 2 rudder propellers with coaxial fixed pitch propellers;
• 3 diesel generators with a capacity of 1 kW each;
• 2 diesel generators with a capacity of 400 kW each;
• bow thruster (NPU).

Cargo devices:

• cargo crane with a telescopic boom.

Due to the developed forecastle, pr. 03182 is truly a seaworthy vessel. The small cruising range is doubtful, but this can be corrected by using part of the cargo tanks as fuel tanks, to the end user, however, less cargo will reach.

It is possible to refuel ships at sea from the tanker pr. 03182, either by mooring side to side in the sea while drifting, or moving at low speed, or in the wake way. For refueling in the wake way, it is desirable to have a hose winch, but you can do without it.

Unfortunately, nothing is known about the possibilities of basing a helicopter on a ship. But it can be assumed that the necessary equipment and spare parts can be stored in cargo containers located on the deck. Helicopter fuel can be taken into one of the cargo tanks, or in extreme cases, if a cargo tank cannot be used, kerosene can be taken into a tank installed on deck instead of one of the containers. In the presence of hoses and adapters, a competent turner-welder will make a helicopter refueling system from a cargo tank in one day.

There are questions about the carrying capacity of the vessel. If project 03182 is considered as a base/road tanker (or an integrated port service vessel), then the vessel is too complex and expensive. Compare it with pr. 03180. With approximately the same load capacity, pr. 03180 is smaller and cheaper. If we consider pr. 03182 as a sea tanker, then its carrying capacity is insufficient.

General remark on projects 20360, 20360M and 03182 - diesel-electric main power plant (MPP). Why is she on these courts? Basically, they are transport ships. Due to the VRK, NPU and small size, they have fairly good maneuverability. They do not need any unique maneuverability to work. These are not icebreakers and not tugboats. Diesel-electric power plants are more expensive to manufacture and maintain than diesel ones; requires more staff to operate. As a result, it only increases the cost of ships without any visible benefit.

Project 23130


Medium sea tanker (SMT) of project 23130. The project was developed by ZAO Spetssudoproekt JSC. 1 vessel "Akademik Pashin" was built (serves at KSF). Another 3 vessels of this project were laid down in 2021–2023.


SMT "Akademik Pashin". Photo: Alexander Ivanov

Register class: KM Arc4 AUT1 VCS IGS-NG CCO Oil tanker (ESP).

Register class decoding:

Arc4 - during the summer-autumn period of navigation in the Arctic, the ship can sail in thin first-year ice up to 0,9 m thick. During the winter-spring navigation period in the Arctic, navigation in thin first-year ice up to 0,7 m thick. Year-round navigation in freezing non-Arctic seas in light ice conditions;

AUT 1 - the volume of ship automation allows it to be operated without the constant presence of a watch in the engine room;

VCS - the ship is equipped with a system for issuing cargo vapors. Such systems are installed on some oil and chemical tankers. They are used during loading so that the cargo vapors displaced by the cargo do not go directly to the deck of the tanker through the breather valves, but go ashore for disposal;

IGS-NG - the ship is equipped with an inert gas source in the form of a nitrogen generator. Such a generator produces a gas mixture consisting of 95% nitrogen and 5% oxygen. This mixture is needed to fill the free space above the cargo in the cargo tank. This is necessary to improve the safety of transporting flammable goods, such as aviation kerosene;

CCO - the vessel is equipped with a cargo operations control post;

Oil tanker - oil tanker;

(ESP) - means the need for an extended survey of a ship in accordance with the International Code for an extended program of inspections during surveys of oil tankers. This characteristic is only relevant for civil ships and does not describe the functionality of the ship.

Major TTX

Purpose of the vessel:

• acceptance, storage, transportation and transfer at sea and in the base of liquid cargoes: diesel fuel, marine fuel oil, aviation kerosene, engine oil, water; dry cargo: food, skipper and technical equipment.

Displacement (maximum):

• 14 tons.

Deadweight and carrying capacity:

• deadweight – 9 tons;
• carrying capacity - 7 tons.

In one trip, an average marine tanker can take up to 3 tons of fuel oil, 000 tons of diesel fuel, 2 tons of aviation kerosene, 500 tons of lubricating oil, up to 500 tons of fresh water, as well as 150 tons of food and various equipment and spare parts. As with project 1, the specific loading of the vessel may vary.

Full speed:

• 16 knots.

Navigation range:

• 8 miles.

Autonomy by provisions:

• 60 days.

Crew:

• 24 people;
• the ship can accommodate up to 36 people.

Single-shaft diesel power plant, consists of:

• 2 main medium-speed, four-stroke, non-reversible Wärtsilä diesel engines with a capacity of 4 kW each;
• controllable pitch propeller (VRSh);
• 2 Wärtsilä diesel generators with a capacity of 750 kW each;
• bow thruster (NPU).

Cargo devices:

• device for transfer of liquid cargoes by traverse method has the ability to transfer fuel oil, diesel fuel, aviation fuel, oil, fresh water. The throughput of the device is about 400–600 tons/h. The possibility of simultaneous transfer of goods from two sides is provided;
• a device for the transfer of dry cargo and people in a traverse way, with a carrying capacity of up to 2 tons;
• a device for the transfer of liquid cargo in the wake way. The throughput of the device is about 150 tons / h;
• a cargo platform is provided in the bow for transferring dry cargoes by helicopter without landing on the deck;
• a cargo crane with a telescopic boom with a lifting capacity of 2,7 tons with a maximum outreach of up to 20 m.

"Akademik Pashin" is a tanker of classical architecture without any frills in design. However, there are comments on the design of the vessel.

Firstly, the vessel does not have a helipad and a helicopter basing system. Which looks a little weird. On ships of smaller displacement, designed to service ships in the near sea zone or in the base (project 03182 and project 20360M), there is a helipad, but there is no helipad on the ship of the far sea zone, project 23130.

By the way, most similar foreign ships have helipads and sometimes hangars for helicopters.

Secondly, only 2 diesel generators provide the ship with electricity. For normal redundancy, 2 generators are not enough. Traditionally, 3 diesel generators are installed on civilian ships.

The author of the article twice worked on ships that had two auxiliary diesel generators plus a shaft generator. Both had a situation where there was only one serviceable generator left, while the ships were carrying out cargo operations and a second generator would be very useful. A similar situation on a support vessel can lead to a failure of the task. Three 3 diesel generators would have looked better on project 23130.

Thirdly, no source indicates that project 23130 can supply ships with ammunition. For their transportation, a specially equipped hold is needed, but there is no such hold on the ship. Although making it is not a super task for shipbuilders. Perhaps, due to the small size of the vessel, it would not be able to transport the entire range of ammunition, but such as artillery or aviation ammunition, the vessel of project 23130 could transport and even reload onto ships at sea.

Of course, it is possible to load ammunition into a conventional hold, but according to the experience of 2022, it is known that they tend to sometimes explode on board, with dramatic consequences for ships. So it's better not to do that.

The question of whether it is worth replenishing the ammunition of ships at sea is open - there is no definite answer. But aircraft carriers are an exception. They can work on coastal targets for several days, then load up on fuel and ammunition at sea and continue combat work. But loading something onto an aircraft carrier (or TAKR) is not so easy, because of the collapse of the sides, it is impossible to simply approach and moor to it.

For mooring, it is necessary to install a pontoon between the supply vessel and the ship. It is impossible to carry such a pontoon with you to military service. Therefore, a ship is needed that is capable of transferring ammunition in a traverse way, and the Akademik Pashin, which must transfer cargo in this way, cannot, strictly speaking, transport ammunition.


Transfer of a torpedo to a warship from the Berezina integrated supply ship. Photo: Balancer Forum (Airbase forum).

You can transfer b / c from the board of Elbrus. Due to the dynamic positioning system, it can go in a parallel course and strictly maintain the distance and speed relative to the TAKR.

At the same time, he will reload ammunition and supplies using a hydraulic crane to the aircraft lift platform, at the level of the hangar deck. Not sure if this is a working method, but it is a way you can try. Preferably at the beginning on empty boxes. But then again, Elbrus is not designed to transport ammunition. Although they can be loaded into containers and transported on deck.


Barge spaced for Kuznetsov. Photo: Murmansk region / Vk.com.

It is possible to reload b / c from the side of the 20360M weapons transport, but this vessel does not have a dynamic positioning system (and if it does, then this is not mentioned in open sources). And he will not be able to go in fresh weather on a parallel course 15–20 meters from the TAKR.

So it turns out that the only ship that is now adapted for loading ammunition on the TAKR is not adapted for their transportation. You can, of course, as in the famous combat service of the TAKR "Kuznetsov" in the Mediterranean Sea in 2017, load ammunition on board a ship on the high seas using a floating crane, but this is possible only in ideal weather near the base, since a crane cannot operate in the same order as ships.


Kuznetsov and a floating crane when loading ammunition. Photo: Balancer Forum (Airbase forum).

A positive feature of the project is that it meets modern environmental requirements. This can greatly facilitate the entry of a vessel into foreign ports for loading fuel, water and provisions. In extreme cases, you can change the flag of the auxiliary ship to the flag of a regular merchant ship on the ship. The register class allows you to do this, and this was sometimes done in Soviet times. Not all countries, of course, will now let a Russian merchant ship into the port, but there are also “hesitant” ones.

And now consider the main characteristics - the carrying capacity and speed of the vessel. 7 tons and 250 knots - is it a lot or a little? Here is what is written in the book “The Navy of the USSR 16–1945” (V. P. Kuzin, V. I. Nikolsky) about the experience of operating the KKS pr. 1991 Berezina:

“So, already during the operation of this KKS, it turned out that it was poorly adapted for joint operations with aircraft carriers. The full speed was also insufficient, because the General Staff of the Navy, relying on erroneous scientific justifications, set a speed in the TTZ that did not correspond to the experience of the combat use of aircraft carriers ...
Foreign counterparts had a travel speed of 25-26 knots, which allowed them to operate as part of aircraft carrier formations, without constraining them with their presence, because when working with aviation, the average connection speed was 23-24 knots.

The main performance characteristics of refueling tankers and KKS of Great Britain, the USA, China and the USSR.


The table does not include small sea tankers, water tankers, offshore and special tankers.

As you can see, project 23130 can replace the SMT built in the 60s and 70s, but it will not replace the Large Sea Tanker (BMT). Of course, one can say that Russia's interests lie in the near sea zone (BMZ), and we don't need big tankers. But then why are ships of a very respectable age still kept in service - BMT pr. 1559V?

The idea that pr. 23130 is too small seems to have occurred to someone in the RF Ministry of Defense, and on December 26, 2014, two tankers of project 23131 with a deadweight of 12 tons were laid down at the Zaliv plant in Crimea. By 000, these ships have not been built, and there is no longer any hope that they will ever be. In 2023–2021, 2023 more tankers, pr. 3, were laid down. Apparently, later it was considered that a deadweight of 23130 tons (9 tons) was enough.

There is a saying: "We are not rich enough to buy cheap things." Perhaps it characterizes pr. 23130 well.

The Russian Federation has few modern support vessels for DMZ. They are being built for a long time (5 years have passed from the laying of the "Academician Pashin" to the end of the tests). Therefore, from each of them I would like to get the maximum. In a good way, in place of the vessel pr. 23130 there should be a tanker of a larger displacement, with a wide range of capabilities and a higher speed.

It is worth paying attention to how many names of foreign components are in the description of the ships. At least 3 out of 6 projects have foreign diesel engines or electric motors as part of the power plant. How will these ships be serviced and how will the already laid down ships be completed under sanctions?

When describing each type of vessel, the presence or absence of a helipad and conditions for its basing were mentioned. Ship helicopters the fleet needs it, and the more there are, the better, but there are not enough carriers of these helicopters.

The use of support vessels as helicopter carriers is, of course, a palliative. But when you read how the Deputy Fleet Commander for MTO, Major General, having taken command of the floating crane, led him with a load of equipment to about. Zmeiny, under the cover of "anti-aircraft missile systems deployed on support vessels" (c), you understand that the time when one could be ashamed of palliatives has passed.

Now we need to use all possible methods. The British, when they sent a formation of ships to the South Atlantic in 1982 to recapture the Falkland Islands, placed helicopters on all ships, auxiliary and mobilized civilian vessels on which they could be placed.

As you can see from the ships described in the article, all except the Akademik Pashin tanker are more suitable for supporting and servicing ships in bases. And just in the bases, you can use ships mobilized / chartered / bought from the civilian fleet. Even rescue tugs, if necessary, the Navy can mobilize from the Marine Rescue Service.

But there are no high-speed tankers with the possibility of traverse refueling at sea in the civil fleet. The next vessels, project 23130, will appear only in 2026–2027. If they show up at all. In the meantime, the fleet will use tankers built in the 60s and 70s in the DMZ. How much longer will they last?

Above are the performance characteristics of the latest support vessels. They can be discussed, they can be argued about, but when we talk about MSTO pr. 23120, the question arises: what is the functionality of this vessel? Offhand, for the price of two vessels of project 23120, you can build at least one tanker, project 23130, which, although not the pinnacle of ship architecture, is at least clear in its purpose. The construction of the MSTO "Vsevolod Bobrov" and "Elbrus" is a sign of the absence systems in the order and construction of auxiliary vessels. It seems that the Defense Ministry does not clearly understand how the fleet will be used in a future war, and, accordingly, cannot understand what ships are needed to support it.

In the USSR, auxiliary vessels were needed primarily to service ships in bases, to ensure dispersed basing and to provide ships in combat service in Peaceful time. With the outbreak of war, operational squadrons attacked American ships deployed in theaters of operations. After that, these squadrons would most likely be destroyed. For such a task, the USSR built many fairly simple support vessels (primarily tankers). The only built KKS "Berezina" was found to be too expensive. And for the doctrine of the Soviet Union it was logical. For the price of one KKS, it was possible to build a couple of simpler tankers, which were preferable.

The US Navy has a different doctrine. American ships / support ships are designed to support the actions of ships at sea for a long time, they must go in the same order as warships and, accordingly, have a high speed. The United States has fast combat support ships. For auxiliary ships, they are relatively expensive, but they have a place in the American fleet doctrine. Therefore, their construction is logical.

And what is the doctrine of the use of auxiliary vessels in the modern Russian fleet?

Do we have a system with precisely set priorities in the development of technical specifications for supply ships, or does the industry simply build what it wants and what it can do in order to master the state money?

Apparently, the second answer is the correct one.
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  1. +1
    25 July 2023 05: 16
    Again, twenty-five and five bases across the seas, ships in shoals like herring, there is only one question - where to get the money for these delights.
    Of course, the ships are correct, but what about the ships they decided which and how many? Oh, sailors, that's just daydreaming and rushing. Has the doctrine of the use of the fleet already been approved? In a word, projects and daydreaming. And to ask a question why ports take out to zero? Yes, it’s just that the fleet will not be able to organize and hold a blockade, just carry combustibles in a sweat.
    1. +8
      25 July 2023 06: 34
      Quote: saigon
      . And to ask a question why ports take out to zero? Yes, it’s just that the fleet will not be able to organize and hold a blockade

      Why can't he? Maybe because before you implement a blockade, you need to gain dominance at sea, and for this you need to build combat / auxiliary ships for a long time and monotonously and conduct numerous exercises? The British at one time could do a lot: block ports, win general battles, exert political influence with their squadrons, but at the same time they spent fabulous money on building a fleet (not just spent, but built the best ships of that time and had the best trained teams), and also had more sailing ships of the line than the two subsequent powers ...
      1. 0
        25 July 2023 08: 17
        Why can't he? Maybe because before you implement a blockade, you need to gain dominance at sea, and for this you need to build combat / auxiliary ships for a long time and monotonously and conduct numerous exercises? The British at one time could do a lot: block ports, win general battles, exert political influence with their squadrons, but at the same time they spent fabulous money on building a fleet (not just spent, but built the best ships of that time and had the best trained teams), and also had more sailing ships of the line than the two subsequent powers ...

        The British, yes, they could. But for them it made economic sense, and in fact the fleet ensured the survival of the state.

        Ask yourself 2 questions.

        1. Why is the Russian fleet needed in the 19th century.
        2. Why is the British fleet needed in the 19th century.

        And not in the 19th century either.
        1. +6
          25 July 2023 09: 36
          Quote: Arzt
          The British, yes, they could. But it made economic sense to them.

          But doesn't it for us?
          Always had, has and always will have. Only in our country they remember the Fleet only when "a rooster pecks at one point" ... But miracles do not happen. The one who is better prepared for war wins.


          Quote: Arzt
          1. Why is the Russian fleet needed in the 19th century.
          2. Why is the British fleet needed in the 19th century.

          Both countries need it, then and now. Another thing is that the goals for the fleet are different. So I never said that Russia needs a global fleet, the economy will not pull it anyway. But Russia needs the Fleet, it needs a strong Fleet that is capable of ensuring complete dominance in the Black and Caspian Seas, a serious presence in the Baltic, Mediterranean, Japanese and North Seas - and this is already a lot, it requires a serious approach to design, construction and financing for decades to come.
          1. +1
            26 July 2023 08: 04
            Britain did not pay for the fleet from the budget, the navy was free for her. The navy is maintained from the profits of the merchant fleet, so they could scale the fleet to enormous size without straining the budget.
            The Russian Federation is facing a dead end in the strategy of the comprador oligarchy to sell raw materials and not develop either its sovereign industry or trade, and therefore there is not enough money for ships.
            1. 0
              26 July 2023 10: 17
              Quote: nickname7
              Britain did not pay for the fleet from the budget, the navy was free for her. The navy is maintained from the profits of the merchant fleet, so they could scale the fleet to huge sizes

              Exactly on the same principle, the USSR Navy was built and financed according to the Gorshkov doctrine - first they built civilian ships that would earn money for the construction of a warship, and only then the ship itself was laid down. To lay one submarine, 10 ships of different classes and purposes were first laid.
              Quote: nickname7
              The Russian Federation is facing a dead end in the strategy of the comprador oligarchy to sell raw materials and not develop either its sovereign industry or trade, and therefore there is not enough money for ships.

              The Russian Federation has now begun the construction of a huge Merchant Fleet, because the freight of foreign carriers is now a risky undertaking. In addition, over 500 ocean-class ships (the so-called Shadow Fleet) were purchased on the secondary market ... and all this wealth must be protected and ensured freedom of navigation. That is, the oligarchs and compradors needed the Navy.
              - Will the experience of England from the time of Nelson and the USSR from the time of Gorshkov on financing the construction of the Navy by the Merchant Fleet be used?
              - How to know? request So far, it can be firmly said that in the current SVO, large exporting companies still pay a certain tax on SVO. And in the Navy of the Russian Federation they are now vitally interested - the Anglo-Saxons can engage in piracy, and start issuing patents of marque again ... The Merchant Fleet needs a reliable Naval Roof. Therefore, the Fleet will be built. And incl. at the expense of profits from the Merchant Fleet.
    2. 0
      27 July 2023 18: 51
      - Has the doctrine of the use of the fleet already been approved?

      And why approve it, when it is already being implemented in real-time day after day? Or does anyone think that warships in the base hide warships from attacks on the fleet, and suddenly go out to sea against NATO?)))
  2. +15
    25 July 2023 05: 36
    The author for the work done "respect and respect"!
    For distant people, the view is gorgeous, at least it gives a general idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe modern auxiliary fleet of Russia and its capabilities.
    Wishes to Pavel (Author) do not stop - write more.
    Good morning comrades!
    1. +2
      25 July 2023 20: 09
      It is simply clear that a professional wrote, a person who directly knows what he is writing about. Now this is a rarity. Now the shoemaker makes the cakes, and the pieman makes the boots, in many cases. From this all the troubles and problems.
      1. 0
        27 July 2023 18: 54
        But a professional does not want to write, what is the combat stability of all this against an enemy of the caliber of at least Poland, not to mention Japan?
        1. 0
          28 July 2023 00: 20
          No I do not want to. Let military sailors or naval experts (or those who consider themselves as such) write about combat stability. In a philistine way, I expressed my private opinion on a question that, by virtue of life experience, I understand a little better than a layman on the land.
          1. 0
            31 July 2023 11: 42
            Let's formulate it differently: what's the point of building "what is needed to support the fleet, and not what is convenient for industry", if the fleet in the event of war will obviously dig in bases, and in order to perform combat missions INSTEAD of warships, it will still take quite not the ships that are needed to provide warships. Relatively speaking, not a tugboat for mooring a corvette, which will be guarded by the large landing ship carrying the Shells to Zmeiny, but a high-speed pontoon that will carry them there while the corvettes and large landing ships are in Sevastopol. Or, according to the experience of the Caribbean crisis, not a high-speed squadron tanker for a squadron of cruisers and destroyers going to Cuba, covering the transportation of troops by civilian ships, but a high-speed transport like Project 1609 with self-defense equipment installed and the same lighter carrier for missile boats - because the squadron is where they can still won't start shooting...
  3. +4
    25 July 2023 06: 15
    Nice, informative article. Detailed coverage of the situation in the auxiliary fleet.
  4. +4
    25 July 2023 06: 31
    Plus. A few years ago, the topic of the auxiliary fleet was already raised in the VO. Alas and ah, but we continue to trail somewhere behind. As in the days of the USSR, combat riveted to the detriment of support vessels, and now.
    Although, against the background of the reduction of the Fleet from ocean to coastal, this is no longer particularly noticeable. All the same, they walk along their shores, and if they send someone to a long distance to demonstrate the flag, then a couple of supply tankers remaining from the Union are enough ....
    Sadness ... request
    1. 0
      26 July 2023 08: 48
      I recall the situation with the so-called. tanks in the USSR in 1941.
      One hundred thousand pelvises that are difficult to call tanks and the provision of repair equipment and tankers by 10%.
      1. 0
        31 July 2023 11: 50
        Having built XNUMX pelvises, industry learned to build many tanks; having lost these XNUMX pelvises, the army gained time for industry and learned to use tanks, the result is known.
        And the example does not fit the subject absolutely, tk. army men in a nightmare do not see hiding tanks from the enemy in the rear PPD.
      2. 0
        29 August 2023 16: 20
        Can you name the non-lohankas that were in service with other countries in the corresponding period?
        1. 0
          31 August 2023 21: 18
          But I agree with you, and not with the opinion of the Botadmin for shortness.
  5. +2
    25 July 2023 07: 44
    Single-shaft diesel power plant, consists of:
    • 2 Deutz F8M1015MC electric motors with a capacity of 600 hp each. with., working on 2 VFSh;

    It seems to me that there is a mistake here.
    1. +2
      26 July 2023 00: 36
      Yes you are right. Here I made an unfortunate typo.
  6. +3
    25 July 2023 08: 17
    It's all the groom's fault.
    And our geniuses rake up those mistakes.
    And there will be 30 more years.
    How did you go to Havana and Algiers with Luanda?
    1. +15
      25 July 2023 09: 43
      Walked normally. There were no problems with tankers, they received fuel, fresh water, food. Fresh vegetables and fruits, pasteurized milk in liter bags - everything came from tankers. For 9 months, BS served more than one tanker, they changed often. We were refueled by tankers - "Dniester", "Lena", "Sheksna", Yelgava, those that I remember. In the photo: our destroyer is refueling in a traverse way. We go from Conakry to Luanda. 78-79
      1. +1
        25 July 2023 20: 55
        Exactly! Cargo transfer systems were made by the Proletarian Plant in St. Petersburg.
  7. +14
    25 July 2023 08: 51
    It is a pleasure to read a professionally written article. Thank you!
    1. +4
      25 July 2023 17: 53
      Dear Andrey, when I saw this article, honestly, I flipped through to the author, expecting from the volume to see one of the authors long known here. But when I saw Rurikovich's comment, whose opinion I respect, and then yours, I returned to the top to
      careful reading. Thank you for not missing this material in the park.
  8. +3
    25 July 2023 09: 28
    The view of a specialist from the auxiliary fleet is interesting. But, it is necessary to take into account the economic possibilities of the state. But, the bottom line is that the auxiliary fleet exists to support the battle fleet, and not vice versa. We already have a lot of problems with the construction of warships, but we are also building an auxiliary fleet. We build in proportion to the combat and according to certain needs. Fleet building programs exist and are being adopted. There are doctrines and there are new methods and ways of using ships. The author mentions the construction of new ships of the auxiliary fleet. These ships are not built according to the principle of whoever comes up with the decision, but in accordance with the construction program.
    The method of reloading cruise missiles at sea is mentioned in passing, but these are experiments. All over the world, ships to reload ammunition go to bases. And the main supply at sea is fuel and water. Ammunition, food, spare parts are secondary.
    When detachments of ships are on long voyages, they are accompanied by a tanker and a rescue tug.
    We cling to Our many shores, rarely go on ocean trips. What is the combat composition of the fleet, such is the composition of the auxiliary fleet. There will be other times, there will be a different structure of the auxiliary fleet.
    1. +1
      26 July 2023 00: 47
      I am not an auxiliary fleet specialist, but a simple captain of a commercial tanker. I understand that the navy has become much smaller since the times of the USSR, and the auxiliary fleet has shrunk accordingly. My questions are not about the size of the fleet, but about its imbalance and the irrationality of the construction programs.
      1. 0
        19 September 2023 23: 37
        Quote: Pavel_Mushnyaga
        My questions are not about the size of the fleet, but about its imbalance and irrationality of construction programs

        You're right. The answer is both simple and complex. The projects were not ordered and approved and paid for by the Navy operators.... But the Department of Resource Support is mo.... The name Bulgakov does not mean anything....?
    2. 0
      31 July 2023 11: 59
      - the auxiliary fleet exists to support the combat fleet, and not vice versa

      Only now, "for some reason" it was not BDKs under the cover of warships that went to the Serpentine, but ships, it's good when with Thor on deck, and when not ... You just have to admit that "auxiliary" and just civilian ships will still fight , and the military - to stand in the bases, and draw up shipbuilding programs with this in mind.
  9. +2
    25 July 2023 09: 31
    The author misunderstood the idea a bit. All that he listed are vessels for supporting the activities of the fleet. The real auxiliary was KKS "Berezina". He could accompany and supply ships at sea.
    1. +1
      25 July 2023 11: 11
      Quote: TermNachTER
      By this auxiliary - was KKS "Berezina".

      Thank you "Captain Magpie"!
    2. 0
      26 July 2023 00: 56
      Perhaps, from the point of view of strict terminology, I was wrong somewhere, but does this change the essence of the problem?
  10. -2
    25 July 2023 09: 38
    The fleet is an expensive toy, it requires not only money, but also qualified personnel. We can no longer pull out a large fleet.
  11. +8
    25 July 2023 10: 25
    In addition, such a number of enemy agents live in these bases that they can collect rallies if they wish, and not only track the movements of our ships.

    Judging by 08.08.08, no agents are needed - local residents on the forum themselves will post the exit time, arrival time, approximate load and destination. Then the movements of the ships of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in the base and next to it could be tracked almost in real time. sad
  12. +3
    25 July 2023 10: 28
    the article is large and apparently competent, I'm not a naval
    but the author highlighted the most important thing in it at the end:
    And for the doctrine of the Soviet Union, it was logical ...

    And what is the doctrine of the use of auxiliary vessels in the modern Russian fleet?
    We have a system with precisely set priorities in the development of technical specifications for supply vessels or the industry simply builds what it wants and what it can do in order to master the state money?

    Unfortunately, "financial flows" determine our existence...
  13. 0
    25 July 2023 10: 52
    In the late USSR, with an auxiliary fleet, it was not very
    We recall "Captain Nikolai Chiker", a tug / rescuer of the KSF, I read an article about him in the year 1992 approximately. First, the ship was equipped with a unique towing device capable of towing ships with a displacement of up to 500 tons. The displacement of the largest ship of the KSF "Nikolai Kuznetsov" is 10 times less. The only time I had to use it to its fullest was when we were towing a supertanker near Cuba. It's okay, but here's the story with the parking diesel generator. When they calculated everything, in terms of power and volume / place, they found that our diesel generator "does not fit", according to the project, they must be installed, imported. But someone's smart head decided to save some currency and stake ours. How they got there, I don't know.
  14. exo
    +3
    25 July 2023 11: 04
    Great article on a little covered topic. I think the construction of aircraft carriers in the USSR would have led to the continuation of the construction of the KKS. Maybe not the 1833 project, but its development.
    Under the current conditions, there are no prospects for the restoration of the ocean fleet. Yes, and aircraft carriers with the departure of Kuznetsov are hardly planned for the coming decades. Therefore, it is not necessary to wait for the development of supply ships with the transfer of goods on the move. Like squadron tankers.
    In general, with the war that we are waging, it is useless to talk about the fleet. Development has been paused. In addition to its part, which is part of the strategic nuclear forces.
    1. +1
      25 July 2023 11: 44
      Quote: exo
      in the war that we are waging, it is useless to talk about the fleet. Development has been paused.

      This is everything of our fleet - we either "rush to build", then we "pause". But this does not work with the fleet, because it is too complicated and expensive thing, you can only play with it for a long time, there is no other way.
    2. +5
      25 July 2023 12: 56
      it is useless to talk about the fleet. Development has been paused. In addition to its part, which is part of the strategic nuclear forces.

      Just in the part of the naval strategic nuclear forces, ships are needed that can ensure the deployment of SSBNs, from minesweepers to ASW ships.
      And aviation would not interfere, which would "remove" enemy PLO aircraft and helicopters, as well as "interfere" with its PLO and submarine ships.
      Yes, and their submarines are needed to protect SSBNs.

      Without such support, the naval component of the strategic nuclear forces is like storing wads of money on the windowsill of an open window on the first floor (sorry for the analogy) - someone will somehow be sure to c3,14 ("will steal"), and very quickly. Somehow "SSBN at the pier" looks like this to me. I don't want to write about "what kind of KON we have" and so on.
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk wrote a lot about all this.
      1. +6
        25 July 2023 14: 49
        Quote: Wildcat
        Just in the part of the naval strategic nuclear forces, ships are needed that can ensure the deployment of SSBNs, from minesweepers to ASW ships.
        And aviation would not interfere, which would "remove" enemy PLO aircraft and helicopters, as well as "interfere" with its PLO and submarine ships.

        Plus, it would cover our PLO ships at the lines in front of the positional areas.
        And as soon as we remember aviation and its reaction time, a ship immediately appears - "one whose class cannot be named". smile
        Quote: Wildcat
        Yes, and their submarines are needed to protect SSBNs.

        Oh yes ... welcome to the Pacific Fleet - three brand new SSBNs and three SSGNs are covered by two live ICAPLs. sad
    3. 0
      25 July 2023 12: 57
      The topic has long been known and widely discussed, but in narrow naval circles. The author did not say anything new, and he confuses concepts, since the person is far from the fleet.
      1. +1
        26 July 2023 01: 29
        That's right, the topic is not new. I just tried to bring it out for discussion from narrow circles to wide ones, so that people would look at the problem without naval snobbery. And yes, you are almost right, I am far from the NAVY.
  15. +3
    25 July 2023 12: 09
    hi
    Very interesting article!

    I'll add a little "freshness" about supply ships, which for those who are "not too rich to buy cheap things": "BRF are large vessels with a gross displacement of 31 thousand tons, a length of 194 m and a beam of 27,4 m, with a double hull. Diesel-electric two-shaft main power plant with a total capacity of 25 MW includes four MAN diesel generators and two electric motors and provides full speed 20 knots. Endurance 60 days, cruising range of 8000 miles. Crew 140 people with the possibility of accepting another 60. The armament consists of two new 40-mm Nexter Thales Rapidfire artillery mounts with a 40-mm 40CTAS cannon and two Simbad-RC twin-shot turret launchers of MBDA Mistrale 3 anti-aircraft missiles. permanent basing of one NH90 helicopter in the hangar.
    The BRF ship is capable of receiving 13 thousand cubic meters of fuel and liquid cargo and 1500 tons of dry cargo, including cargo in containers. Four stations for transferring goods on the move have been installed. The ship is also equipped with repair shops and waste treatment facilities.
    ".https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4727322.html

    https://youtu.be/_K4rNKNfZD0

    https://youtu.be/fDjuI5Wf1VM

    By the way, an interesting trend, IMHO, from supply ships (an Alaska-class tanker) with helicopters, this has "grown":

    https://youtu.be/J157Au2ypLU

    https://youtu.be/yuAQqUcEPfU
    Lewis B. Puller, 4-6 CH53 type helicopters (and hangar), Osprey, Apaches, ammunition hold, mine action equipment and 300 "passengers" including SWAT and SWAT equipment. Not fast -15 knots, but, IMHO, he doesn’t really need it.

    If you look at what happens if you continue to "cross the hedgehog and the snake" feel , that is, a supply ship and a warship, you can see Absalon ("how to push tanks into a frigate belay without attracting the attention of nurses" wassat ).
    But that's a completely different story... wassat

    https://youtu.be/LcQxOhgABdE

    PS. "... as in the famous combat service of the Kuznetsov aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean in 2017, loading ammunition on board a ship on the high seas using a floating crane." Is there any hope that the TAKR will come out of repair at the BS? ... IMHO, the supply of such a ship is no longer relevant for us ...
    1. +4
      25 July 2023 14: 57
      Quote: Wildcat
      By the way, an interesting trend, IMHO, from supply ships (an Alaska-class tanker) with helicopters, this has "grown":

      EMNIP, at first two expeditionary transshipment docks grew out of the tanker - the carrier of cargo SVPs, the task of which was to receive cargo from ordinary "civilian" transports (Navy and ILC) and unload the goods received onto an unequipped shore with their SVPs. A sort of reincarnation of a floating pier, only with active means of delivering goods to land.
      And only the third corps became an expeditionary mobile base.
      Quote: Wildcat
      Lewis B. Puller, 4-6 CH53 type helicopters (and hangar), Osprey, Apaches, ammunition hold, mine action equipment and 300 "passengers" including SWAT and SWAT equipment. Not fast -15 knots, but, IMHO, he doesn’t really need it.

      The ideal anti-piracy ship "at maximum speed." smile
      1. +3
        25 July 2023 15: 05
        IMHO, Montford Point is generally a very strange "expeditionary transshipment dock".
        On the other hand
        the third building became an expeditionary mobile base .... the reincarnation of a floating pier, only with active means of delivering goods to land.
        "understandable" and "accessible" ship, also with a good function of "barracks", "warehouse" and "airfield for helicopters". good
      2. +1
        25 July 2023 23: 34
        The ideal anti-piracy ship "at maximum speed."


        Already eight ships are wanted in the series:

        https://youtu.be/_rh2tYoQCTo?t=604
        "This is a big ship... a joint base for navy, army, marine corps, etc.... you can attach a lot of things to it... in new versions we will introduce unmanned helicopter-type aircraft/boats/submarines... cranes for heavier boats... dock for submarines... optional possibility to again transport fuel like two naval tankers... check out my hairstyle, gray-haired journalist with a tail like a grandmother's, I smeared mine with gel .... a separate take-off deck for UAVs ... special forces love these ships".
  16. 0
    25 July 2023 13: 14
    Regarding 23130. A shaft generator is mounted on the 2ADG ship, and not the main machine.
    The helipad in the area of ​​tanks with aviation gasoline (on the tank) is the pinnacle of carelessness, so it is not there. For the same reason, an oil tanker is not designed to carry ammunition.
    This is a tanker, albeit with a slightly expanded functionality, and not an integrated supply vessel.
    1. 0
      26 July 2023 01: 14
      1. Helipad can be placed in the stern.
      2. Or maybe it was worth building an integrated supply ship instead of SMT?
      1. 0
        27 July 2023 14: 55
        1. Before giving advice, carefully study the architecture of the project 23130 vessel. Is there a place for a helipad in the stern?
        2. The Navy ordered the SMTN, not the supply vessel. Probably comrade k.1 r Dandamaev is better versed in this matter.
        1. +1
          27 July 2023 18: 11
          1. And if you change the architecture? Extend body? Move the superstructure closer to the bow?
          2. The fact of the matter is that a modern “squadron” tanker must perform the functions of a supply vessel. The concept of “just tankers” is outdated. Look at the table in the article, where the performance characteristics of tankers of the USA, Great Britain, and China are indicated.
          3. I would be incredibly glad to see a refutation article from Captain 1st Rank Dandamaev. My opinion is not the ultimate truth, but simply the opinion of a private individual. I think if high-ranking officers of the Navy begin to publicly discuss this topic, it will only benefit the cause.
          1. 0
            28 July 2023 20: 21
            Then it will be a completely different project, for completely different money and in the not entirely foreseeable future.
            By the way, according to the results of the operation of the lead ship 23130, the project is already being finalized in the hull part, not globally, but in terms of eliminating comments.
            Dandamaev, being the head of the auxiliary fleet of the Navy, is unlikely to write any articles.
            1. 0
              29 July 2023 07: 18
              So I have questions initially to the project. If it had been originally made different, then the tanker would have been in service, and not in the "not quite foreseeable future." And about money. Maybe it cost one MSTO pr. 23120 less to build? Then there would be enough money for a bigger tanker and at a higher speed.
              Agree. The head of the auxiliary fleet of the Navy will not and should not write too much, because he is under uniform. An officer cannot talk too much about his job, but there are teaching officers, there are officers engaged in scientific work. Their opinion would be interesting.
              In addition, this is not the level of Dandamaev - to develop TTZ for ships. He is responsible for the operation, not for the formation of concepts.
              1. 0
                31 July 2023 21: 18
                Ships 23120 are generally ridiculous and indistinct in their purpose.
                And UCOR decides everything. You can ask him rhetorical questions.
                The result is a little predictable. :)
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  18. +2
    25 July 2023 18: 31
    Sergey39 (Sergey), dear, we are building an auxiliary fleet so that the ZHORs-DORs and LORs of the USC (as well as the new nuclear-powered ships that the "Baltic Plant" missed in terms of time) could go to Finland from St. Petersburg on Thursday evening on a business trip, on Friday to talk about work for a couple of hours with Finnish counterparties, go shopping on Saturday and Sunday and return to the city of Petra on Sunday evening ... But not quite successful projects of ships of the auxiliary fleet (or for completely unsuccessful combat ships, like patrolmen of pr. 221600) should be in demand from those who ordered these ... misunderstandings ... Who and how "must take into account the economic capabilities of the state."? To those who repaired the Bratsk nuclear submarine from 2003 to 2014 in the Far East, and then from the Samara nuclear submarine to Severodvinsk on the Transshelf they took a ride along the Northern Sea Route and rot on the water at the Zvezdochka pier, that they decided to decommission the boat in 2022? It is necessary to break the record for the time of upgrading the K-2 in the BS-64 "Podmoskovye", then yes, time is a wagon ... Alexey RA (Alexey) is 64% right: "Oh yes ... welcome to the Pacific Fleet - three brand new SSBNs and three SSGNs are covered by two live ICAPLs."
    1. 0
      28 July 2023 20: 23
      Project 885M SSGNs do not need to cover the ICAPL, they are superior to them in a number of parameters.
  19. +1
    25 July 2023 20: 43
    They completely forgot about the 20180 project. And there after all there is a sea transport of weapons
  20. 0
    25 July 2023 23: 10
    FoxNova, a little history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW2JqFoRUJk
    Another director of Zvezdoka N.Ya. Kalistratov, the chief builder of ships Leonid Vadimovich Berezovsky, son of Rear Admiral Vadim Leonidovich Berezovsky, Hero of the Soviet Union (the first commander of the K-137 nuclear submarine of the lead boat pr.667A). About the service of "Academician Kovalev", perhaps, the Pacific will tell.
  21. 0
    26 July 2023 22: 36
    I read up to the point where the sea captain suggests pouring diesel fuel into tanks for chemically pure water ....
    And then we wonder why Peter the Great, after only five long trips, is ready to be written off.
    The main problem of our fleet is people. Imagine if a diver is appointed chief engineer of a nuclear power plant? Wildness? And in our fleet this is a normal practice.
    We must start with people, not ships.
    1. 0
      27 July 2023 17: 47
      Dear Ilya, ship tanks are sometimes used differently than it is written in the technical documentation for the ship. In one of the books, marine painter Viktor Konetsky (who worked as a navigator in the navy and was more of a writer of everyday life than a science fiction writer) describes how a tank designed for fecal water was used for fresh water on a new ship. It's just that the tank was never used for its intended purpose, so after a slight modification it was filled with fresh water. On the ship where I worked, one of their slop tanks was used for diesel fuel during a long voyage. Is it possible to accurately use fresh water tanks at MSTO pr. 23120 for diesel fuel, you need to look at the technical documentation. I considered it as an option, but I can't give an exact answer without documentation. And I called such use of tanks a BAD naval practice, which can only be applied if the ships have to go on a combat mission “yesterday”, and the tanker that will provide it will be out of repair in a year (“glory” to USC!). Which is better: to disrupt a combat mission or to violate technological standards within the limits of what is permitted? If a tank designed for fresh water is filled with diesel fuel (DF), then it will turn into a tank for diesel fuel. The next time it will be possible to pour water into it only after a hard wash of the tank, but rather it will be necessary to renew its coating. But in the main you are right - you need to start with people.
  22. -1
    30 July 2023 23: 35
    Quote from Beaver.
    The fleet is an expensive toy, it requires not only money, but also qualified personnel. We can no longer pull out a large fleet.

    The fleet demands will. Moreover - "long will" ©. Look around! She is not. And in the waves in the distance does not flicker.
    What is written here is "a voice crying in the wilderness" ©