UMPC - a cunning plan or a successful improvisation?

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UMPC - a cunning plan or a successful improvisation?

"Russian wing kits for 'dumb' bombs are improvised devices with numerous flaws, but they are satellite-guided"
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Petr Butovsky (The Drive)

An interesting outburst, but it really has a certain essence. The fact that the Russian Aerospace Forces began using “Russian JDAMs” at the beginning of this year was generally a surprise both for those who were used and for those who observed.

True, it all turned out somehow strange. Neither you mass presentations at forums and exhibitions, nor analytics in the style of "has no analogues ...", nothing. Just suddenly planning bombs appeared and began to fall on Ukrainian positions.



Somehow, that's not the usual plot, yes.

Naturally, the Americans immediately publicly declared that "all this is garbage, JDAM is better."


But note that it would be very strange if something else flew in from the other side of the ocean. Of course, JDAM is better, because the USA sells it, and they sell it quite successfully! Well, the competitor - he, of course, is worse than a knife.

Now there are more details about UMPC, which stands for "Unified Planning and Correction Module". The module consists of wings, plumage and a control unit that are installed on a conventional aviation bomb.

On January 4, 2023, the first information emerged that Russia was using general purpose bombs with wing kits to strike targets in Ukraine. The first official statement from the Ukrainian side came on April 4, 2023, when Ukrainian Air Force spokesman Yuriy Ignat stated that the Russians were dropping "up to 20 planning bombs a day." Ignat noted that Russian Su-34s and Su-35s operate these bombs without entering the Ukrainian air defense zone. And many times in the Ukrainian media, various representatives of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have complained that these bombs are difficult to detect and shoot down.

In general, it is logical, for this everything was started. The bomb is really inconvenient to detect and intercept weapon. The dimensions, plus the rate of fall, plus the lack of parameters that contribute to detection (radio contrast, lack of radiation of all types) make it so.

The wing kits allow Russian aircraft to carry out indirect strikes against targets without exposing themselves to the risk of being detected and attacked by Ukraine's air defenses. Of course, there are options to more accurately convey destruction to the enemy (cruise and other missiles), but the bomb has another advantage: cheapness. And cheapness - this primarily means mass character.

And the mass character in the war is the key to victory. It is mass and cheap weapons that win, not sky-high technologies. Proven by many conflicts and wars.

But the main question is - such a cheap and fairly effective weapon - is it a successful improvisation or the fruit of many years of development?



In general, the idea of ​​an inexpensive kit that turns an ordinary "stupid" bomb into a guided munition is quite old. In the United States, such work began in the early 1990s and eventually resulted in the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) program.


The program has proved successful and now includes an Extended Range version with additional wings, which was supplied by the United States to Ukraine.

Russia began work in this direction also quite a long time ago, and a Russian-designed JDAM analogue was shown at the Farnborough Air Show in England in 2002.

At that time, the State Research and Production Enterprise "Basalt" offered four types of MPK modules (without the prefix "universal") for the FAB-500M-62 bomb, with gradually increasing capabilities (and price). GNPP "Basalt", being the leading developer of bomb weapons, could easily afford this.

Each option was the next step in the development compared to the previous one.

The simplest version of the MPK was based on a folding wing span of 2 meters. The bomb was aerodynamically stabilized and had no guidance. The goal was to increase the flight range: using the wing, the bomb should have reached a distance of 6-8 km when dropped from a low altitude of 100-300 meters. That is, the plane dropped such a bomb while being UNDER the beams of air defense radars, and the bomb had the ability to fly a decent distance due to the initial impulse of speed.

In the second version, the bomb was to additionally receive a simple inertial navigation system (INS), providing sufficient accuracy for a range of 10-15 km from the target.

In the third version, the INS was to be supplemented by a satellite navigation receiver for further correction, providing a CVO accuracy of 10 meters when dropped from a distance of 45 to 60 km from the target, although the drop had to be made from a great height.

In the last and most complex version, the kit was equipped with a pulse-jet engine, increasing the flight range to 80-100 kilometers.

For several years, Russia has represented the MPC module at international exhibitions. The project was redone several times, and quite significantly, but was never put into production.

In fact, it is not at all known whether the IPC module went beyond the general design stage at that time - all that was shown at the exhibitions were drawings and mock-ups. Which in general did not give the work of "Basalt" the proper degree of confidence. As world practice shows, sometimes there is an abyss of time from a model to a rocket, and the number of unrealized projects in the world is in the thousands.

In addition, our country has long had such a sin: to show a mock-up at an exhibition, to trumpet what a terrible and effective weapon it will be, and ... that's all. Even if we take what was shown at the domestic forums "Army ...", there are already dozens, if not hundreds of models that are not implemented in metal or plastic.


The attitude of the world's arms buyers, respectively. You do it and we'll see. And not always the bride ends with success. So the modules from "Basalt" did not interest anyone. Here lies the answer to the question why the project was not completed. There are perhaps two reasons.

Firstly, it seems that we did not plan to get into a long-term large-scale war in which the army would need weapons in very large quantities and, therefore, at a low cost.

Secondly (the version of the Americans), in Russia they were not interested in making cheap kits, since much more could be earned on new (and expensive) guided bombs like KAB-500S.


This was normal for peacetime; in a military conflict, preferences change.

The proposals of the SCNP "Basalt", thank them, were created according to the principle "if America has something, we must also create it."

And now, after almost a year of SVO, FAB-500 equipped with UMPC modules began to be suspended on VKS aircraft



The UMPC module is very decently different from the same JDAM precisely in terms of design, which indicates that Russian designers have gone their own way without copying American products, but retaining only the principle of the approach: create a kit for turning a conventional bomb into an adjustable one.

Indeed, the principles of mounting modules are different. The point here is that Russian bombs are welded monolithic structures, of course, non-separable.


American bombs are of a different design, so to install the JDAM module, you need to dismantle the tail section and replace it with a guidance unit. And this should be done by specialists in a repair or manufacturing enterprise.

The Russian module is installed on the bomb in the field and does not require special equipment for this. However, life itself hints that the personnel who install the modules were nevertheless trained accordingly. Drops of bombs from aircraft in the sky of the Belgorod region, as it were, are evidence of the obviousness of this moment.

The Americans believe that the design of the Russian module is worse. Here the question is the approach to implementation in general, because complication is not very useful in a combat situation. Here you can simply remember what kind of hemorrhoids American soldiers have in terms of repairing small arms. The analogy is visible, isn't it?

The Russian module is an autonomous flying device with a bomb attached to it. Well, or which is attached to the bomb, it is not so important. The important point is that the bomb can exist separately, and the module can exist separately. transport, storage, etc. And meet only in the airfield workshops, where the technicians simply screw the bomb to the module.

It's hard to understand what's wrong here. But the Americans and I have a completely different approach to understanding such things.

And in order to illustrate this, I will allow myself a few quotes from an American Piotr Butovsky, who is very knowledgeable in aviation topics, who allowed himself several characteristics of the UMPC. True, one can not agree with Mr. Butovsky on everything.

“From the available illustrations, it can be seen that the UMPC is a home-made device, made hastily and quickly thrown into battle, without carrying out the required tests in full. It is not known which company produces the current UMPC modules, but it is unlikely that the GNPP Bazalt company, which designed similar modules 20 years ago, or the GNPP Region company, which produces all Russian aviation guided bombs, is unlikely.

It is, of course, possible to draw such conclusions based on photographs, but this does not indicate a high level of expertise. Of course, a person savvy in terms of deduction will be able to draw a conclusion from a drop of water about the existence of Niagara Falls, Sir Conan Doyle told us about this a hundred years ago, but it’s perhaps imprudent to judge weapons like that.

“Online critical analysis of the UMPC module, conducted anonymously by an employee of a Russian company professionally dealing with such topics, indicates poor performance and a high failure rate.”

Translation: a couch expert, having at his leisure put one mind-containing organ (which in Russia very often knows more than the head) to the nose, came to the conclusion that all this is a so-so decision. And it won't work.

But the enemy, to whom this 500-kg charm flies to visit, has a slightly different opinion. And, it seems to me, the opinion of the Ukrainian military in this case is worth much more than the conclusions of some "employee of a company doing about the same thing."

“The same source indicates that after attaching the UMPC module, the weight of the FAB-500M-62 bomb actually exceeds the carrying capacity of the most common Russian weapon mounts, which is 500 kilograms. This could cause the bomb to come off during maneuvering."

Actually, on this, Butovsky can be congratulated on the fact that he dug up such an “expert” somewhere. If Mr. "expert" was at least a little aware of the capabilities of Russian aircraft, he would be aware that both the Su-34 and Su-35 take on suspension such charms as the KAB-1500 of various modifications. The abbreviation of the bomb says that the mass of the product is 1500 kg. And it “lands” on the same hooks as the X-29 rocket, which weighs more than a ton. That is, the Su-35 takes three of these bombs, the Su-34 two or four.


In general, ignorance of the performance characteristics of enemy aircraft often leads to very unpleasant consequences. This is always worth remembering.

“Another drawback of the UMPC is that the bomb fuse switches to the “ready” state as in a conventional bomb, i.e. at the moment of separation from the aircraft (in other winged bombs, the fuse is turned on later, during the glide). This means that if the wing does not open, the bomb could fall and explode, including in Russian or Russian-controlled territory. This is what the people of Belgorod faced on April 20.”

A little past again. In the Belgorod region, there were descents of ammunition from the suspension of the aircraft, but despite this, NO EXPLOSIONS HAPPENED! There are enough frames on the Web, as one of the bombs was dug out from a depth of twenty meters, no less. What does it say? The fact that in terms of security systems, the bomb + UMPC tandem is doing great.


Yes, the depletion of ammunition is unpleasant and can be a tragedy. But everything worked out in Belgorod, and apart from the damaged car, there were no losses.

In general, there are a lot of “experts” on the Web of various levels of awareness who give out revelations that the UMPC is the subject of a handicraft assembly, are not accurate, unreliable, do not fly to the stated distances, and so on. We have such a time ... everyone who a couple of years ago was an expert in the fight against covid, now en masse turned into military experts.

One such provincial Wasserman issued from aviation that “UMPC is an improvised device that still needs a lot of work. Of course it has flaws because it was made in a hurry."

Made in a hurry. Over twenty years ago. Such an impromptu device that the state defense concern developed in four versions. And which was shown at a foreign exhibition a very long time ago. 21 years old to be exact.

To be honest, it all looks weird. Yes, not everything is smooth and smooth with us, yes, there is something to criticize for, but: does this case fit into the category of “needs criticism”?

It is indisputable that at the time of the beginning of the NWO, no one knew about the UMPC. When JDAM was brought to Ukraine and the bombs showed their effectiveness, what did ours do? Yes, they got into the archives of "Basalt" and got the documentation on the UMPC. Quickly made equipment and launched into production. And the modules went to the troops, and began to be used against the enemy.

What can I say?


Only that well done and true patriots. Indeed, they did without exhibitions, forums, videos of the Ministry of Defense and other husks. But there is a module that can be installed on the most common bomb and turn it into a guided one.


And the fact that the work was carried out not on the knee, as some "experts" assure, but in quite normal conditions. Recently, images of bomb fragments from the UMPC appeared on the Web, among which was the Kometa-M module with an antenna connection of a satellite navigation receiver.


A lot of questions from the agenda immediately left. Kometa is a whole family of satellite navigation equipment developed by VNIIRT Progress in Moscow. The first "Comet" was shown 16 years ago and it was quite a weighty thing. But over time, the size and weight were reduced, and today the Comet allows you to receive GPS / GLONASS signals even in conditions of intense opposition.










The Kometa-M antenna currently installed on the UMPC module was created seven years ago specifically for small drones, including Orlan-10 and Orlan-30, and weighs less than 150 grams. What is generally at the level of standards, the manufacturer claims that the reception quality is at a high level.

That is, UMPC can, of course, be inferior to JDAM in some ways, but, in fact, these are products of the same class that use satellite navigation for flight correction, which means that, at least in theory, they are capable of providing the appropriate level of accuracy.

Like the forerunner, the MPK module, the modern UMPC product was first used only on the FAB-500M-62 bomb (high-explosive aerial bomb, weight 500 kg, model 1962), the most common Russian aerial bomb. However, on May 3, 2023, TASS, citing a “source in the defense industry,” reported that production and use of UMPC kits for smaller 250-kilogram bombs had been launched.

Well, it will be completely unsurprising that information that in the near future such kits will begin to be used for bombs weighing 1 kg.

No wonder. Moreover, it was originally incorporated in the design of the IPC, its versatility, hiding under the letter "U". The calculations were made a long time ago, there was no point in recalculating them at all, the bombs remained absolutely the same as those that were in service with the Soviet army.

And if the question was asked what is UMPC, a cunning plan or a successful improvisation, the answer is hidden somewhere in the middle. There was no cunning plan, there was a development that, by a happy coincidence, got to smart people who quickly set up the production of modules.

It is difficult to call it improvisation, improvisation, according to the definition, is the activity of creating or doing something not planned in advance, using everything that can be found.

Translation - we sculpt from manure and sticks. How terrible home-made products were sculpted in Ukraine of the past.


That was the improvisation. And we had, on MT-LB, ship turrets with automatic guns were molded. A jeep with a block of NARs is also an improvisation.


But the production of previously developed products, and even the installation of more modern control and navigation units on them - sorry, but you can’t call it improvisation. This is a quick response to the current situation. And in this case, you can only be glad that everything turned out that way.

Perhaps UMPC is inferior to JDAM in some way. And perhaps not inferior at all. But the main thing is that he is. And our pilots have the ability to drop bombs with this module without entering the enemy's air defense coverage area. Guided bomb - sorry, this is not shooting NARs from a helicopter cabriolet. She can get where she is sent, and not to the target area.

So if all the improvisations with weapons and equipment would be like this, the layouts could be somewhat different.
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  1. -11
    24 July 2023 04: 49
    It seems to me that our UMPC can be made from plywood at any furniture factory. Or if from cheap metal in any bed workshop.
    He remembered the verses about the merchant Kalashnikov, where he fought with deafening force against a combatant in armor and with a sword and killed him. soldier
    1. +7
      24 July 2023 05: 28
      Quote: V.
      ... where he fought with a shaft against a combatant in armor and with a sword and killed him.

      I don’t remember about the shaft ... They fought on fists ...
      And hit the merchant Kalashnikov for the first time,
      And hit him in the middle of the chest -
      Chest of youth cracked,
      Stepan Paramonovich staggered;
      A copper cross hung on his broad chest.
      With holy relics from Kyiv, -
      And the cross bent and pressed into the chest;
      Like dew, blood dripped from under him;
      And Stepan Paramonovich thought:
      “What is destined to be, will come true;
      I will stand for the truth until the last day!
      He contrived, prepared,
      Gathered with all the power
      And hit your hater
      Right in the left temple from the entire shoulder.

      And the shafts Vasily Buslaev in the film "Alexander Nevsky" waved - he beat foreign knights.
      1. -2
        24 July 2023 14: 49
        I apologize, it was not Kalashnikov who fought with a shaft, but I remember for sure that a Russian warrior fought with a shaft, maybe in the film "Alexander Nevsky". request soldier
    2. -3
      24 July 2023 08: 50
      Quote: V.
      It seems to me that our UMPC can be made from plywood at any furniture factory. Or if from cheap metal in any bed workshop.

      And why for this exact production? The most important is the control unit, i.e. electronics, and all the curvature of welding the block with the wings is compensated during the flight.
      1. +9
        24 July 2023 08: 54
        block welding curvature

        correction = range reduction
        1. 0
          25 July 2023 09: 41
          Quote: maksbazhin
          correction = range reduction

          I agree with this, but not such a crooked welding there. This was written for clarity, that any deviation from the norm can be compensated.
      2. +3
        24 July 2023 15: 27
        Quote: qqqq
        Quote: V.
        It seems to me that our UMPC can be made from plywood at any furniture factory. Or if from cheap metal in any bed workshop.

        And why for this exact production? The most important is the control unit, i.e. electronics, and all the curvature of welding the block with the wings is compensated during the flight.

        Another "sign". Where are you just climbing from?
        1. +1
          25 July 2023 09: 47
          Quote: Sergei N 58912062
          Another "sign". Where are you just climbing from?

          Prove otherwise. If such squalor as the F117 could fly, then why make it complicated and expensive, then what does not need it. I agree that precise production is gut, but the end result, i.e. an increase in range by 2-3 km, in my opinion, is not worth a decrease in the quantity and price of products.
          1. 0
            8 November 2023 01: 17
            Prove the opposite.

            qqqq you prove it. Do It!
      3. +4
        24 July 2023 16: 13
        All the same, technical documentation and technical process must be present. Otherwise, instances can be very different from each other. In pursuit of cheapness, Belgorod scenarios can be obtained. By the way, one bomb still exploded.
    3. +3
      24 July 2023 09: 40
      With Kalashnikov, even the first AK-47, against the sword and armor, and I could fight.
    4. +5
      24 July 2023 15: 24
      Quote: V.
      It seems to me that our UMPC can be made from plywood at any furniture factory. Or if from cheap metal in any bed workshop.

      Soldatov V. Don't talk nonsense!
      1. -2
        24 July 2023 23: 15
        But what about wooden WWII planes? English "Mosquito", our wooden fighters?
        We are talking about the cheapness and mass character of an effective combat weapon. soldier
        In the photo of our UMPC, even the welded seams are not cleaned, the technological operation is excluded, fastening with rivets - all for speed and low cost of manufacture.
        1. 0
          8 November 2023 01: 20
          Soldatov V. don’t talk nonsense! Take it and make it out of plywood. Let's see what you can do.
    5. +2
      25 July 2023 09: 05
      No. Everything is quite difficult there. And I had to deal with it. True, partly from their own greed. There are no "little things" in such machines. It just seems to be simple. Until this thing ends up in the landfill. Probably JDAM is better worked out. But it also costs more, and there was an opportunity to deal with it slowly. Yes, we had "developments", but since for a number of reasons neither the Defense Ministry nor developers were interested in such weapons until a certain point, it was still far from combat-ready "products".
  2. +4
    24 July 2023 05: 17
    What can I say?
    Only that well done and true patriots. Indeed, they did without exhibitions, forums, videos of the Ministry of Defense and other husks.

    Novel! You, as always, are right!
    And you can remember how military secrets were kept in the USSR and it was precisely such “unparalleled in the world” weapons that made it possible to deter overly aggressive transatlantic “partners” ...
    My assumption (judging by the performance characteristics) is this: someone remembered, took out Soviet developments from dusty chests and applied them at their destination.
    Of course, it would be desirable that aviation did not enter the enemy air defense strike zone and special bombs could be developed for special tasks. More power and greater radius of destruction. Naturally, this will increase the price of the product ...
    40 km is a good start. I would suggest that bombers carrying such "dumb bombs" could escort fighters with anti-radar missiles to neutralize (destroy) enemy air defenses ...
    And the decision is purely Russian - cheap and cheerful!
    1. +2
      24 July 2023 11: 31
      prompted the idea
      Tu-22M3 carries up to 24 kg of bomb load,
      as an option, a dozen FAB-1500 with UMPC can be placed on an external sling
      this is more than raises the Su-34
      I think this is the next part of the "Marleson Ballet"
      1. +1
        24 July 2023 12: 18
        Outside, only 500 kg of bombs, no more. And in total there are up to 24 "sharp-nosed" five hundred pieces, which is about 12 tons.
      2. +2
        24 July 2023 14: 36
        UMPC is somehow hardly suitable for internal suspension, it is not very overall
        1. +1
          24 July 2023 17: 44
          it still makes sense to charge the Tu-22M3 under the FAB-500 with UMPC for 42 units, or 8 FAB-1500
          Su-34 will take a maximum of 12 FAB-500 or 5 FAB-1500

      3. 0
        25 July 2023 04: 11
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        prompted the idea
        Tu-22M3 carries up to 24 kg of bomb load,
        as an option, a dozen FAB-1500 with UMPC can be placed on an external sling
        this is more than raises the Su-34
        I think this is the next part of the "Marleson Ballet"

        And you can also place a hundred fab 150.
        :)))
        I rarely run out. But your comment...
  3. +5
    24 July 2023 05: 53
    What's the difference between us and the Americans.
  4. +6
    24 July 2023 06: 07
    It’s clear that if the Russians can make cruise missiles using chips from a washing machine, then for some kind of guided bomb, two sticks and a piece of clay are enough :)
    On the whole, it is clear that the tradition of Russia not being ready to enter the war, and then actively increasing production, has been fulfilled this time as well.
    1. -1
      24 July 2023 06: 43
      Of course, if the Russians can make cruise missiles using chips from a washing machine,

      No need to write nonsense, someone let this nonsense into the network on the square, and for some reason ours picked it up.
      1. +7
        24 July 2023 11: 59
        It seems to me that about the chips from the washers - there was sarcasm.
  5. Eug
    +8
    24 July 2023 06: 10
    To be honest, I don't care who and where it was done - on my knees, in the bushes, in garages or in ultra-modern workshops, whether it's improvisation or a cunning plan - the main thing is that it works effectively.
    1. -1
      24 July 2023 06: 51
      Bombs with wings are a tool of great war. The UMPC kit costs 800 thousand rubles. Along with the Su-34, these bombs have recently been used by the Su-24.
      The fuse does not always work on the bombs, only two out of three bombs exploded in the video.
      1. +1
        24 July 2023 14: 38
        A failed fuse is not exactly a rarity. And here the bomb falls at an acute angle, while it was originally planned to fall down
  6. fiv
    +9
    24 July 2023 06: 11
    Yes, when planning the SVO, those involved had a poor idea of ​​what would actually happen and did not see the obvious. It’s good that our land has not been depleted of talents and heroes who will correct and win. Sometimes contrary.
    The article is excellent.
  7. +8
    24 July 2023 06: 12
    . Perhaps UMPC is inferior to JDAM in some way. And perhaps not inferior at all

    Neither the price of the UMPC nor the range are known. How to compare? But it looks real, like a craft sawn with a rough file in a garage cooperative. I dare to make an assumption that if we make the aerodynamic quality higher for the UMPC, then the guided bomb would fly further. And an increase in range of at least 10-20 km would open up completely different possibilities both in terms of pilot safety and in the choice of targets to be hit. The Jews boast of a guided bomb range of 130 km. We definitely have some way to go.
    1. +7
      24 July 2023 08: 58
      Quote: Stas157
      But it looks real, like a craft

      In principle, I agree with you, but there are nuances. For a more perfect aerodynamic shape, a more perfect and correspondingly expensive production is needed with an unknown end result. It is far from a fact that the form of the UMPC itself greatly affects the range. You look at the very form of our and their BP, here the point, in my opinion, is precisely this. For the 10-20 km declared by you. you need to change the bomb itself, and this is not acceptable. Well, 130 km, this is most likely with an overclocking unit, this is a completely different story. The question is primarily about a cheap device that makes a PSU from the time of the king-peas more or less modern.
      1. +2
        24 July 2023 14: 41
        I think that you can go the American way and attach a more streamlined fairing to the bomb. For example, unscrew the fuse and in its place unscrew the plastic block fairing + fuse
    2. -4
      24 July 2023 15: 36
      But it looks real, like a craft sawn with a rough file in a cooperative garage.

      And this craft works most likely exactly the same as it looks.
  8. -2
    24 July 2023 06: 14
    The author, caliber and mass of an air bomb are different concepts. The weight of a bomb is almost never equal to the caliber. For example, FAB-500 (depending on the option) weighs 350-400 kg (from 250 to 300 kg of explosives, again, depending on the option). The most famous Soviet FAB-3000 has "only" 1500 kg of explosives.
    1. +9
      24 July 2023 09: 50
      Quote from Airman63
      The author, caliber and mass of an air bomb are different concepts. The weight of a bomb is almost never equal to the caliber. For example, FAB-500 (depending on the option) weighs 350-400 kg (from 250 to 300 kg of explosives, again, depending on the option). The most famous Soviet FAB-3000 has "only" 1500 kg of explosives.

      FAB-500 - according to open data, the mass is from 477 kg to 515 kg, depending on the model, FAB-3000 - the mass of the bomb is in the region of 3000 kg, depending on the model. And what does the mass of explosives have to do with it? The number in the name of the bomb model indicates exactly the approximate (for some models, exact) total mass or caliber of the bomb.
    2. 0
      24 July 2023 15: 46
      And how much explosives does the FAB-9000 carry then?)
      1. 0
        24 July 2023 20: 36
        On the Internet, the data is as follows: 4297 kg of TNT. And it turns out to be a very powerful baba)))
    3. 0
      24 July 2023 20: 35
      The characteristics of FAB-500T are as follows:
      total weight - 530 kg
      Explosives in TNT equivalent - 256 kg
      length - 247 cm
      diameter – 40 cm
      maximum damage radius for vulnerable vehicles - 200 m
      maximum damage radius for lightly armored vehicles - 75 m
  9. 0
    24 July 2023 06: 21
    Let's be more objective, it's already sick of showing off, judging by the footage of the use of our bombs from the UMPC in the NWO, they are much inferior in accuracy to their American counterparts.

    I don’t know what the problem is here, in the UMPC or in GLONASS, but judging by the videos in the public domain, American bombs fall exactly on the target in the form of, for example, a car, and ours are sometimes 50 meters from the building in which, according to the idea, they were supposed to hit.
    1. +12
      24 July 2023 06: 59
      According to the videos....
      Well, well .... Who will post videos with different results?
      In general, the problem of the forums is that numerous "experts on commercials" and speculation often comment, and a specialist who knows in "nature" in the afternoon with fire ... Yes, and no one has canceled secrecy. Nevertheless, if we summarize the available data, the universal correction module is an effective and archival thing. Good luck to our military-industrial complex for fear of Banderlogia.
    2. +7
      24 July 2023 08: 57
      right on target
      it's on the landfill
      at 50 meters
      in conditions of interference - the assessment is excellent, if there is an error, then the assessment is good and a reason to refine it.
  10. +1
    24 July 2023 06: 32
    Interestingly, if a simple rocket engine from the same nurse is attached to the planning module, the range should increase by an order of magnitude, and the price should be slightly increased.
    1. +7
      24 July 2023 08: 42
      Well, by an order of magnitude, it's you who got excited, but at times it's for sure.
    2. +2
      24 July 2023 09: 01
      In the last and most complex version, the kit was equipped with a pulse-jet engine, increasing the flight range to 80-100 kilometers.

      They attached it 20 years ago, but so far no one has heard of the application, although 100 km would be super.
      1. 0
        24 July 2023 21: 38
        It is not easy to reach 100 km, but very easy. if anyone needs it, but he does not know how, then find me, I will share.
        .
        And you don't need any engines.
    3. 0
      24 July 2023 15: 48
      Kek, the NAR engine runs for something like a second, maybe even less laughing
  11. +5
    24 July 2023 06: 36
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    Indeed, the principles of mounting modules are different. The point here is that Russian bombs are welded monolithic structures, of course, non-separable.

    Domestic bombs with low aerodynamic drag and detachable tail cones were put into service a long time ago, already in 76, in calibers of 250-1500 kg of the FAB, OFAB, BetAB types.


    But normal ways, apparently, are not for us, in 2023 we are making new M-54 fellow
  12. +3
    24 July 2023 07: 06
    Here, just the case when it is not necessary to listen to "experts", but to do business. The appearance of such ASPs is a great success of our military-industrial complex.
    1. +4
      24 July 2023 08: 11
      Quote: Volunteer Marek
      The appearance of such ASPs is a great success of our military-industrial complex.

      Luck? why luck-won the lottery or what? maybe it's merit..
  13. +3
    24 July 2023 07: 29
    That's right: it works; accuracy at a level that allows you to destroy pointwise ZKP, and listen to the squeals of the TsIPSO, do not respect yourself.
  14. +1
    24 July 2023 09: 11
    Constructive solutions for the "transformation" of free-falling bombs into controlled ones can be different! "Offhand" I can name 3 options! Which option to choose is a matter of "master"! What's the problem with tails? request Can't unscrew? what Well. you drank off the excess with a "grinder", use the right part and ... voila! to the existing "tail"? stop
  15. +1
    24 July 2023 09: 17
    IMHO. Concepts are changing
    20 years ago, according to the text, layouts were exhibited, where theoretically there could be a guidance module.
    "In the second version, the bomb should have been ..." and so on. - etc. according to the text.

    That is, as with the SU75 model at the exhibition. We can do it if you give us money....
    And the money, they write, was given just now. A year ago, naked "cast iron" was praised

    With the development of aviation, IMHO, any fan can quickly calculate and make a wing and control design. Modellers, on rollers in the internet, can make foam and sticks on the knee. Or a small-sized full-fledged copy of the aircraft. Here the weight is more, but the production capacities are not garage ...
  16. -2
    24 July 2023 10: 04
    The article is a set of illiteracy and ignorance in the field of aviation weapons.
    1. Guided bombs have been engaged in the USSR since the early fifties.
    2. Do not confuse correctable (managed) ABs and planning ABs, which are also controlled.
    3. Do not confuse the conversion of free-falling batteries into planning and originally designed as such.
    4. Back in the last millennium, there were developed control units that did not require the battery to unscrew something from the back and change it for something. It was only necessary to screw them into place of the head fuse.
    5. AB are produced in two types, for external and internal suspension.
    6. Aviation did not lose anything in the Belgorod region. To believe in it, you need to absolutely not know how many manipulations you need to do in order to reset the AB. By the way, even if the suspension rings are allowed to break, the AB will not explode, since the explosion command did not pass.
    The fact that there was a specific arrival in the Belgorod region from the Ukrainian side, after which there was a clumsy excuse from the propaganda department of the Ministry of Defense on the topic - like we ourselves dropped - with digging up supposedly a bomb, which was played by an old oxygen cylinder.
    7. To criticize network "experts", you first need to be at least a little real expert yourself.
  17. +1
    24 July 2023 10: 08
    Translation: a couch expert, having at his leisure put one mind-containing organ (which in Russia very often knows more than the head) to the nose, came to the conclusion that all this is a so-so decision. And it won't work.

    But the enemy, to whom this 500-kg charm flies to visit, has a slightly different opinion. And, it seems to me, the opinion of the Ukrainian military in this case is worth much more than the conclusions of some "employee of a company doing about the same thing."


    "Appeal to a person (Latin argumentum ad hominem - "argument to a person") is a logical error in which an argument is refuted by pointing to the character, motive or other attribute of the person giving the argument, or the person associated with the argument, instead of pointing to the failure of the argument itself, objective facts or logical reasoning."

    do not disgrace the author. 2+2=4 no matter who said it or what his ass was resting on.

    A lot of questions from the agenda immediately left. Kometa is a whole family of satellite navigation equipment developed by VNIIRT Progress in Moscow. The first "Comet" was shown 16 years ago and it was quite a weighty thing.


    Perhaps the bolts with which the nodes are attached were created back in tsarist times, but no matter how it refutes that the product has the character of a successful improvisation.
  18. 0
    24 July 2023 10: 52
    Quote from Andy_nsk
    Of course, if the Russians can make cruise missiles using chips from a washing machine,

    No need to write nonsense, someone let this nonsense into the network on the square, and for some reason ours picked it up.

    It's strange that you take this remark seriously ...
    It's just that Western propaganda fighters believed that if they came up with a similar move about washing machines, it would be some kind of humiliation for the Russians. And in Russia, this is perceived just the opposite, they say we are so smart and resourceful that even with the help of washing machines we can make rockets.
  19. +3
    24 July 2023 12: 20
    The author got it right:
    There are perhaps two reasons.

    Firstly, it seems that we did not plan to get into a long-term large-scale war in which the army would need weapons in very large quantities and, therefore, at a low cost.

    Secondly (the version of the Americans), in Russia they were not interested in making cheap kits, since much more could be earned on new (and expensive) guided bombs like KAB-500S.

    I will add that cheap products were not of interest to the military - neither honor nor respect for you.

    But to reduce the cost of operations, you need to take the second step - to use a cheap platform.
  20. -6
    24 July 2023 12: 25
    By the way, about this photo, where they allegedly dig up a bomb.



    But the technology is not new, the Georgians showed something similar, like a Russian rocket. But at least they threw fragments of a rocket into the pit, and not an old oxygen cylinder. lol

    1. Hog
      +3
      24 July 2023 13: 38
      You are apparently an expert and you live right in the courtyard of this house, and you probably dug before your eyes, or not, and you are a balabol who doesn’t even know what he is talking about?
      1. 0
        24 July 2023 14: 24
        You are apparently an expert and you live right in the courtyard of this house, and you probably dug before your eyes, or not, and you are a balabol who doesn’t even know what he is talking about?

        Imagine yes, expert. Since I still understand AB, I have had occasion to use them, though with a caliber of no more than 250 kg, since 500 kg is no longer permissible for my pepelats.
        Nevertheless, I can very well imagine that AB does not fall forward with a stabilizer. lol
        1. 0
          25 July 2023 05: 38
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          Nevertheless, I can very well imagine that AB does not fall forward with a stabilizer.

          Are you talking about the fact that the body of the bomb in the pit from the excavation lies on its side?
          But it is enough to type in Yandex:
          World War II bomb detection and see pictures by search.
          In fact, all the bombs photographed in the excavation pit lie exactly like this. On the side.
          What is the reason?
          Maybe the bomb assumes this position as it goes deeper into the soil.
          Maybe the sappers, when excavating, do it in such a way that the body of the bomb gradually assumes a horizontal position. To be able to get to the fuse.
          Maybe there is another reason. But the fact is that almost all the bombs photographed in the places of their detection lie on their side.
          For over 70 years.
          1. -1
            25 July 2023 12: 40
            Are you talking about the fact that the body of the bomb in the pit from the excavation lies on its side?
            But it is enough to type in Yandex:
            World War II bomb detection and see pictures by search.
            In fact, all the bombs photographed in the excavation pit lie exactly like this. On the side.
            What is the reason?
            Maybe the bomb assumes this position as it goes deeper into the soil.
            Maybe the sappers, when excavating, do it in such a way that the body of the bomb gradually assumes a horizontal position. To be able to get to the fuse.
            Maybe there is another reason. But the fact is that almost all the bombs photographed in the places of their detection lie on their side.
            For over 70 years.


            Young man, you can imagine anything from the sofa, only this photo is staged.
            And the most important sign is that the excavations were carried out with an excavator, which is never done.
            In general, not even a specialist, but just a person with brains will notice that this hole was dug to repair communications and it was used for staging.
            And I don’t know what kind of photo you have there, but in practice the bomb is always buried head first.
            On the eve of Afghanistan, in order to reduce the load on the range, we practiced bombing from the WWI right at the airfield, on a free working field, using practical bombs that had already worked. Then they themselves removed them from the ground and the process was repeated.
            So, none of the bombs was in the ground as a forward stabilizer.
            Yes, over 70 years, due to ground movements, the position of the ammunition in it can change, especially in areas where there were intense hostilities and the ground was plowed many times.
            But not in this case.
            There are many more oddities, I'm just too lazy to list them.
  21. 0
    24 July 2023 13: 57
    OMGF .. Again, our same rake - problems with electronics. Let me remind you that in Syria, the Hermes complex proved to be excellent - a set of equipment installed on an aircraft, which made it possible to significantly increase the accuracy of bombing conventional bombs WITHOUT their refinement. But again, in Syria, the barmaley did not have air defense as such, and it was possible to throw bombs directly on their heads.
    Here is a different picture - all the same, Ukraine still has air defense, and they are afraid of it, and in order to use free-falling bombs, even with Hermes, you need to "hang over your head" targets. The UMPC kit allows you to drop bombs from a certain distance, depending on the flight altitude, speed and course, and a copy of their JDAM. Unfortunately, the electronics here flies "one way".
    1. 0
      10 October 2023 15: 42
      Probably not "Hermes" but "Hephaestus". And so and yes you have to have fun, which is not yet possible in Ukraine.
  22. 0
    24 July 2023 14: 01
    UMPC for existing Soviet-made bombs. The shape of the bombs does not contribute to either gliding range or stealth. Are the new bombs being made now the same shape or have they started doing something capable of long-range gliding while remaining undetected by radar?
    1. 0
      25 July 2023 09: 08
      From this point of view, the finished bomb should not be taken at all. In any case, an ordinary free-falling bomb is made and calculated "not for this." Here, quite deliberately, the characteristics are partly sacrificed for the sake of mass character and economy. GPS modules do not make Excaliburs from ordinary shells either, but this is enough to solve many combat missions.
    2. 0
      26 September 2023 14: 15
      Quote from Alexandre
      The shape of the bombs does not contribute to either gliding range or stealth

      Quite helpful. The Soviet AB was supposed to minimize air braking and penetrate deeper into the ground or into an obstacle. So the shape is quite consistent with the gliding range.
  23. +3
    24 July 2023 14: 46
    Roma, are you still not tired of being a buffoon? That's all that you wrote about sofa experts - did you look in the mirror?)) Well, how can it be without dull stupid lies? But no way Roma)) Otherwise, you won’t write another bravura text)) Rum, do you really think that everyone around is stupid, they don’t remember what and how happened during the NWO? So maybe it's not us stupid, neighing from your writings? Can you work on yourself?
    And such a small question))) Are you really trying to sell us that on that gloomy work of a garage welder that in the first photo, the design bureau has been constantly improving for 20 years?))))
  24. 0
    28 July 2023 19: 25
    The article pleased, competent, as far as I can tell.
  25. 0
    26 September 2023 14: 10
    Quote: maksbazhin
    block welding curvature

    correction = range reduction

    By a couple of percent.
  26. 0
    April 5 2024 20: 04
    What kind of satellite are they going to point it at if Russia doesn’t have one like it? Only if there are AWACS planes. And if they don’t exist (for example, they are knocked down or killed at airfields), then they will throw them without precise adjustments, and this is no less than a 100 m deviation! For some fortified areas with rich rear infrastructure it is still possible, but for targeted targets
    (bridges, dams, railway tracks, etc.) you can’t get in. Yes, of course, this is much better than just a “fall” - you can enter the air defense zone at a shorter distance - but this is not JDAM.