Self-propelled mortars 2S41 "Drok" enter the troops

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Self-propelled mortars 2S41 "Drok" enter the troops


The Russian army received the first batch of advanced 2S41 Drok self-propelled mortars. These machines will help to gain experience in operating such equipment, which will then be used in its mass introduction. In the future, with the help of Drok products, it is planned to increase the mobility of mortar units and, accordingly, improve their overall combat effectiveness.



First batch


On July 2, the press service of the Rostec state corporation announced the receipt of 41S18 mortars by the armed forces. According to the official press release, enterprises from the corporation handed over the first experimental batch of Droks to the Ministry of Defense. Technique goes to the troops.

Delivery details are not reported. The total number of equipment, the availability of auxiliary equipment, the recipient unit, etc. were not named. Apparently, we are talking about a batch of several vehicles, sufficient to re-equip one or more mortar units. The recipient may be the airborne troops, in the past mentioned as the future main operator of 2S41 products.

They also recalled the main features and advantages of the new self-propelled mortar. The management of Rostec drew attention to the used chassis, which gives the Drok complex high mobility and protects the crew. At the same time, the artillery unit provides the ability to solve various problems, and the digital fire control system increases its efficiency.


In terms of the combination of characteristics, the 2S41 Drok self-propelled mortar is not inferior to foreign models of its class, and in some parameters surpasses them.

Perspective development


The promising self-propelled mortar "Drok" was developed at the Central Research Institute "Petrel" (Nizhny Novgorod) from the "Rostec" with the participation of a number of other enterprises. The aim of the project was to create a mobile artillery system with an 82-mm mortar based on existing and newly developed components, combining increased mobility and improved combat qualities.

The development of "Droka" began in the mid-tenths. A few years later, finished equipment of this type began to be shown at exhibitions and other open events. In parallel, prototypes were tested at the test sites. It was reported that development work would be completed in the near future, and approximately at the beginning of the twenties, the 2S41 mortar would enter service.

According to the latest news, by now the project has reached the stage of assembling an experimental batch and transferring it to the troops. Probably, this technique is intended for trial operation before the launch of a full-fledged series and adoption into service. This means that the mass development of 2S41 products in the army is becoming a matter of the foreseeable future.


Mortar on wheels


From a technical point of view, the 2S41 Drok mortar complex is a wheeled armored vehicle equipped with an original combat module for an 82-mm mortar and new control systems. Due to this architecture, high mobility and increased firing characteristics are achieved.

"Drok" is being built on the basis of the wheeled chassis K-4386 "Typhoon-VDV". This is a two-axle machine with a gross weight of approx. 14,5 t, capable of moving at high speed on the highway or off-road. The body of the armored car provides all-round protection from bullets and shrapnel; the crew and internal units are also protected from undermining mines under the wheel and bottom.

An original combat module with a mortar and related systems is mounted on the roof of the armored car. In front of him is a module with a machine gun for self-defense. Inside the hull are places for a crew of four, as well as fire controls and racks for ammunition. Under the fighting compartment, in fact, the entire middle and aft part of the hull is given.

The main armament of the 2S41 complex is an 82-mm breech-loading mortar in the combat module. Module mechanisms provide horizontal pickup within 35° to the right and left of the axis and vertical pickup from 45° to 85°. The maximum firing range reaches 6 km. Rate of fire - up to 10 rds / min. Ammunition - up to 64 shots.


The crew has a modern fire control system. It includes satellite navigation devices, a ballistic computer and a control panel for guidance mechanisms. The SLA allows the 2S41 complex to work independently or receive data for firing from command posts.

A set of additional weapons is provided. For self-defense on the march or at a firing position, the crew must use a combat module with a PKT machine gun and 500 rounds of ammunition. 12 smoke grenade launchers are placed on the sides of the main module. In addition, a portable 82-mm mortar 2B24 is transported by vehicle. If necessary, mortarmen can dismount and use it.

Clear benefits


The promising self-propelled mortar 2S41 "Drok" was developed primarily for mortars of the Airborne Forces. Based on the results of this project, they should have received a modern airborne vehicle with good mobility and the required level of firepower. In the future, combat vehicles of this kind could crowd out or even completely replace the portable / wearable mortars in the Airborne Forces. In addition, this technique is of interest to the ground forces or marines.

The 2S41 complex has a number of important features and advantages. So, the use of a serial wheeled chassis is of great importance. "Typhoon-VDV" provides the transfer over long distances and allows you to quickly enter the firing position and leave it. At the same time, at all stages of combat work, the crew remains under the protection of armor, which reduces the threat from enemy return fire.


The 82-mm mortar "Droka" is based on the existing design, but has improved characteristics. By improving the design, it was possible to increase the maximum range of fire. Digital FCS and remote control simplify aiming and increase accuracy, both when working independently and when used as part of a unit.

With all this, the gun on the tower is complemented by a portable mortar of the same caliber. The mortar in the module remains the main one, but an additional 82-mm system in certain situations will help maintain combat effectiveness.

Desired result


In general, the 2S41 Drok project embodies the well-known concept of a wandering mortar - a combat unit capable of quickly changing positions and reopening fire. At the same time, all measures have been taken to improve the main characteristics, fulfill the specific requirements of the customer and reduce the expected risks. The combat vehicle created using this approach has already passed all the necessary tests and confirmed the design characteristics.

Thus, the development of a promising self-propelled mortar 2S41 has been successfully completed, and now Rostec enterprises are mastering the production of this equipment. The finished products of the experimental batch were recently handed over to the armed forces. Obviously, this party will be followed by new ones in the future, and a full-fledged rearmament will begin.
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  1. -4
    20 July 2023 04: 47
    I am confused by the dimensions of the platform. Height over 3 meters. Too visible target on the battlefield. On a tracked chassis, the car turned out to be much more compact. Yes, and a 120mm mortar is much more effective than its brother 82mm.
    Somewhere like that, good morning everyone!
    1. +3
      20 July 2023 06: 39
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Yes, and a 120mm mortar is much more effective than its brother 82mm.

      I immediately thought of that too. A typhoon could well take away a 120 caliber.

      . The development of "Droka" began in the mid-tenths. A few years later, finished equipment of this type began show at exhibitions and other open events.

      Exhibitions are sacred! And only after a year and a half of the NWO, the first batch finally appeared in the troops.
      1. +7
        20 July 2023 07: 07
        Based on the results of this project, they should have received a modern airborne vehicle with good mobility and the required level of firepower.

        Again with their "landing" they are worn. Finish with this topic. As soon as the resource of the bulk of the Soviet-built Il-76 runs out, this epic will end with "light, airborne infantry in the rear." There is the rear, there is the enemy, but what's the point.
        1. +4
          21 July 2023 14: 47
          Who even came up with the idea that they should definitely land someone in the rear? Given the size of our country, 99% of landings will be on their own territory.
      2. -3
        22 July 2023 15: 00
        Take away, yes, you can. How to shoot? The bottom will take out with what shot?
      3. +1
        26 July 2023 22: 27
        Well, 120 mm is Phlox. Or Lotus.
    2. +6
      20 July 2023 18: 55
      And it doesn’t bother you that the caterpillar has less resource. In addition, the wheel is quieter and more maneuverable
    3. +7
      20 July 2023 22: 34
      The 120 has more recoil and the base needs to be stronger or lift to the ground. Therefore, 120mm is named Phlox and is made on the appropriate basis. And everyone has a wishlist, and MO too, but there is physics, it is not friends with MO
    4. 0
      27 July 2023 12: 02
      On a tracked chassis, the car turned out to be much more compact. Yes, and a 120mm mortar is much more effective than its brother 82mm.

      120mm mortars, or rather tracked mortars, have long been not only built, but also widely represented in the troops - this is NONA-S. You can also mention the installations "Vienna" and "Hosta", and for the same landing "Lotos" on the chassis of the BMD-4. Why else fence a garden, it’s just worth setting up mass production and supply to the troops.
      1. +1
        19 October 2023 07: 33
        I completely agree. Why new instead of old, proven, working.
  2. +4
    20 July 2023 05: 30
    An article about this "Gorse" without a signature and approximately the same content was on VO on July 18.
    Deja vu or Groundhog Day?
  3. 0
    20 July 2023 05: 52
    Author! You were not the first to write about this "Drok", which is nothing new ...
    * * *
    The existence of AS-12 was lost in time and space (according to some sources, AS-31).
    But on the eve of Navy Day, the fate of the “secret submarine” saved by the lives of fourteen sailors will be more interesting ... And in terms of its purpose and characteristics, it is more suitable for “mirror answers” ​​to a specific disgusting state.
    hi
  4. +8
    20 July 2023 05: 54
    I saw this "gorse" at an exhibition about 5 years ago, but only now they have begun to move. There were several more interesting samples of art equipment on wheels, and finally they began to put everything on wheels, I'm behind the wheels. There was a "tiger" with a mortar at the stern, and a Ural with a howitzer. But why do we always take so long? I'm sure if it didn't bite now and move on. Straight trouble.
  5. +7
    20 July 2023 06: 56
    Well, about the 120-mm, apparently its time has not come, but the 82-mm will be good too: how much blood the nomadic NATO mortars of 60-mm caliber drank to us ...
    1. -2
      20 July 2023 11: 49
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      Well, about the 120-mm, apparently its time has not come, but the 82-mm will be good too: how much blood the nomadic NATO mortars of 60-mm caliber drank to us ...

      The value of 82mm mortars is in their weight with sufficient ammunition power.
      For a 120mm mortar, the range is a third higher than 82mm, for a 60mm mortar it is twice as high.
      Automatic cornflower (82mm) is easily mounted on any frame pickup truck. Nona-SVK carries 120mm gun-mortar combination. Here they offer 82mm in almost those dimensions. The question is why?
      Our infantry needs something small and low, and not this “coffin” that anyone will copy when approaching the front line at 5 km.
      1. +3
        21 July 2023 11: 53
        Is a good MCI a coffin? no one bothers you personally to ride a UAZ and go to the forefathers on the first TM or from the FPV firecracker
      2. +2
        22 July 2023 19: 32
        Well, how can you tell me what will not be a COFFIN? UAZ? Or maybe the Urals? Or a healthy infantry fighting vehicle / armored personnel carrier chassis whose protection is clearly not much better, I’m just wondering that for sofa experts who are always dissatisfied with everything, you need to at least offer ideas
      3. +1
        26 July 2023 22: 43
        Modern means of detection will copy at least a small one, at least a large one. Counter-battery combat stations too.
        On the other hand, everything is fine with a large car with a place for calculation and ammo for a mortar, and conditionally, if a mortar is fastened to a buggy, then there will be 10 ammo for the buggy and that’s it, conditionally of course. For sabotage actions, this is the norm, to have a nightmare for a civilian, but of course, it’s not enough to suppress the enemy ... There are no problems with the BC.
    2. +2
      20 July 2023 22: 40
      Another would be an air blast of 82mm mines, in general there would be beauty.
  6. -7
    20 July 2023 07: 37
    given the saturation of the current modern armies with manual anti-tank weapons, reconnaissance drones and kamikaze drones, this unit is an empty transfer of money into high-tech scrap metal. An 82mm mortar can also be placed on a quadric, the main thing is mobility and stealth.
    1. +6
      20 July 2023 09: 15
      To comment on this is only to spoil :)))) Protection against fragments, bullets, land mines - nope, we will stupidly support attacking formations on quadrics !!!!

      And if no jokes - minus Gorse is an 82 mm mortar. But maybe 120 mm will be born on the Spartak chassis. Although rather Phlox will drive up.
      1. -8
        20 July 2023 09: 31
        attention to the question - how many minutes will this armored mortar live openly supporting the attacking formations?
        1. +6
          20 July 2023 17: 30
          Quote: faiver
          attention to the question - how many minutes will this armored mortar live openly supporting the attacking formations?

          Do you even know how mortars work? :)

          Answering your question: significantly longer than the calculation moving on several ATVs across the field and with 4-6 shots to the mortar. And the benefits of a self-propelled mortar will be ten times greater.

          Once again: a bunch of mortar + ATV is good in the forest, where the use of conventional armor is difficult. And then, with reservations. But not in open spaces and not in the city.
          1. -1
            21 July 2023 10: 34
            Do you even know how mortars work? :)
            - let's start small that ordinary mortars in the troops will not receive this miracle of technology from words at all and never
            why would mortarmen climb into open areas? they will be covered there even on quadrics, even on this armored shell.
            1. +2
              21 July 2023 17: 10
              Quote: faiver
              - let's start small that ordinary mortars in the troops will not receive this miracle of technology from words at all and never

              Machine for the Airborne Forces, IMHO. For the SV, if they give birth, they will take the chassis from Spartak.

              The need to transfer mortars from the "elephant" chassis to the wheeled chassis was overdue for another 40 years so-called. And Russia received the first experience of using an armored chassis for a self-propelled mortar back in the Soviet period during the Second World War. There was a small series from the factories of Leningrad and the GABTU buried everything.

              Quote: faiver
              they will be covered there even on quadrics, even on this armored shell.

              They can be covered everywhere. Including just when changing positions, and during a normal march - a matter of survival.
              In a field battle of the type that is now taking place in Zaporozhye, quadrics are much more vulnerable. In a battle in a forest area, as on the Kupyansk front, a little less.
              In addition, a wheeled armored chassis allows you to carry a MUCH larger ammunition load than a quadra: you need at least 3 quadras to transport a mortar, calculation and a sane b / c.

              I agree on one thing - Drok itself raises many questions in terms of weapons and an unmastered (unlike a tiger or Spartak) chassis, but the concept is more than correct.
              1. -1
                21 July 2023 23: 46
                Quote: Blackgrifon
                GABTU

                Amendment - not the GABTU, but the then GRAU.
      2. +1
        22 July 2023 19: 35
        Yes, these "experts" (or effective managers)) are ready to transfer the ENTIRE army to miserable cars without armor and quadrics, BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER than normal mraps and other armored vehicles, they are not at risk of shrapnel and bullets
      3. 0
        27 July 2023 12: 13
        And if no jokes - minus Gorse is an 82 mm mortar. But maybe 120 mm will be born on the Spartak chassis. Although rather Phlox will drive up.

        Rather, "Lotus" for the Airborne Forces.
    2. +2
      20 July 2023 09: 45
      I will explain: for the actions of small detachments of light infantry in the forest - quadrics of norms. For the delivery of a b / c in positioning conditions - ok, but in an offensive, battles in open areas or in serious battles with a lot of artillery - the quadric is unsuitable: there is no protection against fragments, a small ammunition load.

      Tiger, Typhoon-VDV or Spartak - in these conditions it is much better. Despite the fact that the chassis based on the first and last is well mastered by the promkoy.
    3. 0
      21 July 2023 14: 48
      You can put it, but you can still carry the BC by truck.
  7. -5
    20 July 2023 07: 37
    given the saturation of the current modern armies with manual anti-tank weapons, reconnaissance drones and kamikaze drones, this unit is an empty transfer of money into high-tech scrap metal. An 82mm mortar can also be placed on a quadric, the main thing is mobility and stealth.
    1. +2
      21 July 2023 08: 13
      He will not be able to shoot only from the "quadric". From this point of view, 2S12 is also on the "quadric". According to the standard, the transfer time to the combat position is 3 minutes. I imagine the mental obscenity of mortarmen when the authorities remind them of this standard.
  8. -5
    20 July 2023 09: 48
    Too clever with this Drok.
    10 per minute for 82 mm????
    Very low rate of fire.
    Its only plus is a smart sight. The rest is expensive cheap show-offs. Starting from the platform, which is expensive and of dubious cross-country ability.
    1. +3
      21 July 2023 08: 11
      And because this is not an automatic machine, at the same time loading from the treasury, and the shutter must provide obturation without a sleeve. In the conditions of limited space of an armored car, the mentioned 10 rds / min will be. But after all, Cornflower fu-fu-fu, this is not in world trends. And do not care that the Chinese already have a self-propelled Cornflower. There they sit worse than in Europe and NATs.
      1. -2
        21 July 2023 17: 01
        However, couch strategists gave me minuses.
        In Drok, the coolest and really necessary thing is the LMS. Attach this FCS to any "tray" in the back of the Urals or in MTLB with a cut off roof. And throw "gifts" into the barrel in four hands. And it will be what you need.
  9. 0
    21 July 2023 08: 08
    How do we not like Vasilek. And no one noticed that Drok's rate of fire is 10 rds / min? Less than a "regular" mortar. All the advantages of a smaller caliber are lost. Because they made, roughly speaking, an 82-mm "semi-automatic device" that fires mortar shells. It was easier to make a new artillery system than to take what is already working. Amazing.
    This is a pre-war development. When we wanted to be "like everyone else". "Like everyone else" all these MCIs are floundering in our mud, everyone has already seen. In storage, the BMP-1 is also like dirt. Is it really cheaper to make a new Typhoon than to upgrade the BMP-1 or BTR-70?
    1. +2
      22 July 2023 19: 42
      Indeed, if I search for 20 photos, I can find where, after the mine from the "behi" and the armored personnel carrier 80-82, the rear part remains and everything else is distorted metal, and I can find even more photos where, after the explosion of the mrap on the TANK mine, everyone in the armored capsule remained ALIVE, well, such "experts" as you, of course, can drive on cardboard called the BMP1 / 2 and armored personnel carrier 70/80
    2. 0
      25 July 2023 15: 16
      Recently there was a video where it was the "Cornflower" that was used, with an unusual appearance, either modernization or the old air-cooled version. It was also possible to observe the plot under the Antonovsky bridge, when just four ammunition flew into the enemy infantry group, which is typical for 2B9.
      And also for the wider use of "Cornflower", but I would put it on a more massive chassis of the "Ural", like the SAO "Floks", with supports on the ground. Then it will be possible to store the prepared ammunition in containers, and in large quantities, in almost any weather conditions, without fear of minor precipitation.
  10. -2
    21 July 2023 11: 30
    They delayed the development of such equipment - especially since the Americans, the Chinese and even the Swedes have had self-propelled mortars for a long time. The choice of "Typhoon" is not entirely clear: for the armament of mechanized units, the level of security does not look sufficient - it would be possible to build the same mortar, but on the basis of the existing infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, and if it is intended for light infantry, then the question immediately follows whether this is not the smallest vehicle in any kind of "special conditions" like mountains, forests and city blockages.
    1. +1
      21 July 2023 14: 50
      This will go to units with light equipment, to the Airborne Forces and the National Guard. First of all.
  11. 0
    22 July 2023 11: 22
    The angles of horizontal and vertical guidance of the combat module disappointed. It turns out that direct fire is impossible. And the fire on the flanks at 35 degrees to the right and left is not impressive.
    I expected more from the car.
  12. +3
    22 July 2023 19: 10
    Quote: Blackgrifon
    untapped

    And how to master it, if not master it?
  13. 0
    30 September 2023 12: 27
    The 2S41 complex has a number of important features and advantages. Thus, the use of a serial wheeled chassis is of great importance. "Typhoon-VDV" provides transportation over long distances and allows you to quickly enter and leave a firing position.


    I'm afraid the author is wishful thinking. Since when did "Typhoon-VDV", aka "Typhoon" - a by-product of the Typhoon-K project, become serial chassis? Let me remind you that the developers at Kamaz, for a reason best known to them, assembled this vehicle using key units not just imported from abroad, but imported from NATO countries. EMNIP this car's engine, gearbox, transmission elements and even tires are made in NATO countries. That is why this vehicle has no place in the troops. Airborne Forces with their small production numbers, perhaps. And that's unlikely. A couple of years ago, KAMAZ promised to localize production, but judging by this phrase:

    Delivery details are not reported. The total number of equipment, the availability of auxiliary equipment, the recipient unit, etc. are not specified. Apparently, we are talking about a batch of several cars, sufficient to re-equip one or more mortar units.

    They can’t do anything with localization and, apparently, they made it from what they imported according to gray schemes. In any case, at exhibitions this car will be on Michelin XZL tires.

    From the point of view of the Russian Ministry of Defense, this platform is stillborn, interest in it is minimal. The Ministry of Defense has its own project for a universal wheeled platform - the Volk military-industrial complex and a mortar based on it. By the way, 120 mm and with a base plate on the ground. But Kamaz workers have a serious lobby in the government and they have the opportunity to promote their projects.

    With the beginning of the SVO, it became obvious that our military-industrial complex in recent years has turned into a tangle of lobbying schemes and corruption, where manufacturers pursue their narrowly selfish corporate interests, thinking about the interests of the army in the last place, and the generals and the admiralty are either due to their feeble minds or desire to live widely and richly, participates in this whole mess.
  14. -1
    2 December 2023 03: 23
    A mobile mortar platoon of fire support is the main strike weapon for a company commander.
    9 Drokov per battalion would be very good.