A riddle that fell like a stake into the ground

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A riddle that fell like a stake into the ground

Both here and in the West, many today are asking the question “What was that all about?” Looking at the video from the Bryansk region. The most efficient bloggers have already managed to raise a cry that it was the “Shadow of the Storm” that smashed the sawmill, but those smarter and calmer began to wait and figure it out.

Rocket from S-200


And indeed, the surveillance camera that filmed the moment the rocket arrived from the sawmill, although it gave an image so-so, but even from it it was clear that this was not Storm Shadow. This is something else, with a sharper nose and large wings-rudders in the tail section. That is, definitely not a British rocket.




The real experts, with some confusion, said that "this is very similar ... to a missile from the S-200." And, probably, the first ones who said themselves were afraid of what they voiced.


To begin with, let's just look at the S-200 complex and its missiles, and then we will try to draw some conclusions based not on emotions.


Let's start with the fact that structurally the S-200 air defense system was not able to work on ground targets. That is, theoretically, of course, it was possible to send a missile at a ground target, but for this it had to fall into the field of view of the ROC, the target illumination radar.


The 5V21 missile in any modification had a semi-active homing head, which worked to receive the reflected signals of the ROC from the target. Next, the control machine developed commands for the autopilot to aim the missile at the target. I emphasize that the target should have been in the beam of the Russian Orthodox Church until the warhead of the missile was blown up. This is important, since it is not so easy to provide such conditions for a ground target.

Early warning radars from the S-200 complex of the P-14, P-35 types had an excellent detection range, from 400 to 600 km (S-200 was a long-range complex), early warning radars 5N87 / 5N87M and P-15M worked to detect low-flying targets at a distance of up to 120 km, but it is worth remembering that negative viewing angles are not for radars from the 50s and 60s of the last century.


Even the modernized S-200M Vega-M complex did not take targets that flew at an altitude of less than 300 meters.

That is, it was practically impossible to hit a ground target, and even in relief, with the help of all the equipment of the S-200 complex. With the exception of one point: if the complex is installed at a dominant height so that the ROC sees the target, then yes, it is possible.

How in this case would look at the height of the antenna of the same radar "Lena", a width of more than 30 meters and a height of more than 10 - the question. I only know that I would not like to be in the control room of this radar station in the combat zone.

Moving on.

Warhead


It is in the 5V21 rocket (there are practically no others left in the world) high-explosive fragmentation with spherical submunitions. To put it simply - 21 pieces of steel balls with a diameter of 000 mm and 9,5 balls with a diameter of 16 mm. That is, a total of 000 striking elements.

The mass of explosives that scatter these thousands of balls in space is 90 kg of a simply excellent mixture of TG-20/80, 20% TNT and 80% RDX. At the time of its creation (the end of the 60s of the last century), it was the best that could be invented at all. This cocktail, during the explosion, accelerated the balls to 1 m / s, which would be enough for any aircraft for a fatal landing.

And all this splendor scattered in the air in two cones with static angles of 120 degrees. And accordingly, it practically did not play a role at what angle the target and the rocket met. For the second half of the XNUMXth century, a very serious weapon. And if you remember that there were also missiles for using a special warhead, that is, warheads with a nuclear charge ...

In the 5V21 rocket, a 5B14Sh high-explosive fragmentation warhead is installed, the affected area of ​​which is a sphere with two conical cutouts in the front and rear hemispheres.

The angles at the tops of the expansion cones of fragments are 60°. The static angle of expansion of spherical striking elements (PE) in the lateral plane is 120°. Such a warhead, in contrast to the warheads of the first generation missiles, which have a narrowly directed PE expansion field, provides target coverage under all possible conditions for the missile to meet the target.

The striking elements of the warhead are spherical steel elements with an initial expansion velocity in statics of 1 m/s.

Well, do not forget about the special warhead SBCh TA-18, that is, a nuclear warhead to destroy mass targets, missiles 5V28N. This, thank the circumstances, is not in Ukraine, and will not be.

In the end, what do we see?

Air defense systems with a missile that have long crossed a half-century milestone. Considering how development is going aviationthat the means of counteraction, the complex is hopelessly outdated. Plus, given the initial impossibility of action against ground targets, we can safely say that an attempt to strike targets on the ground will be constructively doomed to failure.


And let's think about this question: we have a rocket that can't fly down, a radar that can't look down from the horizon, a warhead that hits everything with balls. What is the value of such a missile when used, shall we say, against real targets?

Under the real goal we have by no means a sawmill. Tanks and armored vehicles - no. Artillery and self-propelled guns - no. Fortifications - no. The only thing that is available is manpower and unarmored vehicles such as trucks. Well, the maximum - some kind of armored car, but even then - the meaning of a hole in the roof?

Meanwhile, in the Bryansk region, it got very bad. Clearly beyond 90 kg. The sawmill was demolished very efficiently. What could happen if the rocket hit something more important and meaningful is the question.

Yes, Russia uses S-300 air defense systems, which have not the best, but surface-to-ground capabilities, to strike large static ground targets in Ukraine. The temptation to use the old S-200s is understandable, which, on the one hand, are there, and on the other hand, they are of little use.

In general, up to this point there was no mention of the use of the S-200 by both sides. The missiles quietly gathered dust in warehouses in anticipation of processing and disposal. And then this ... release the "Kraken" ...

It is appropriate to recall the complete archaism of the 5V21 propulsion system. The launch is carried out with the help of four solid-propellant boosters on the rocket body, and then a main engine running on liquid two-component fuel goes into action. The oxidizer is a mixture of AK-27 based on nitric acid, and the fuel is TG-02 "Product Samin", a descendant of the famous German rocket fuel "Tonka-250". Everything is utterly poisonous and with problems in storage and transportation.

And to this we add three radars in the kit. And all this needs to be delivered somewhere, placed, equipped and ... In general, there are more questions than answers.

However, surveillance cameras in the village of Bytosh, where the TA missile landed, clearly gave information, thanks to which we can say the following: the arrived missile verysimilar in appearance to 5V28. But still, this is an anti-aircraft missile, which was supposed to work on aircraft at long distances. And - importantly - at high altitudes.

Plus, there was an incident in the Morozov region of the Rostov region and something incomprehensible was shot down north of the Taman Peninsula.

What does it all say?


The fact that the use was almost at the same time in the territories of the Bryansk, Rostov regions and the Krasnodar Territory, and testifies to several things at once, the main of which is that the S-2013 systems, decommissioned back in 200, returned to service. Another question is in what capacity.


We have already come to the conclusion that 5V21 is, to put it mildly, not suitable for attacking ground targets. So - it just needs to be improved! By adding an elementary navigation unit capable of guiding a rocket either by satellite signals (this is easier) or by inertial reference. Aliexpress will easily supply both. From drones.

And the rest is already there. A very good body, almost eternal solid fuel boosters, rudders, autopilot, control system, a place for warheads. And yes, rocket engines and the simplest propellant that can be pictured in almost any chemistry lab.

And then we already have something somewhat different than the 5V21 anti-aircraft missile, although outwardly it is very similar to it. But it can fly differently than an anti-aircraft one and, judging by the explosion, there is also complete order with the warhead, that is, the internal volume of the warhead can be used to the fullest and fill 200-250 kilograms of some kind of explosive with an elementary contact-type fuse.

Agree, we observed something like this at a sawmill in the Bryansk region. It bangs, well, very impressive.

And this is not a single invention of handicraftsmen in the garage. This is quite normal work in some factory. According to the simplest calculations, about seven such missiles have already been intercepted, so somewhere people are tirelessly working on transforming 5V21 into something so different and destructive.

In general, everything is simple here: the complexes use stationary launchers and therefore are not very mobile, but are only suitable for protecting static targets from high-flying threats. The issue of reconnaissance and elimination is not as complicated as it seems. The S-200 is not a Hymars, such a launcher, even without three radars, is much easier to find. The main thing is to look carefully.


As of 2010, Ukraine was reported to still have four active S-200 batteries providing air defense for most of the country, and 12 more inactive sites. Further reports say the S-200 was withdrawn from service in 2013, but it is likely that Ukraine has a large stockpile of these missiles, as well as potentially several locations from which they could be launched.

It is also possible that Ukraine has developed some kind of mobile or more rapidly deployable launcher that would allow these missiles to be launched from different locations.

It is also possible that Ukraine could even get missiles for the S-200 from other sources. Although no such transfer has been announced, potential donors exist in Europe, with Bulgaria and Poland being the current operators. Poland, in particular, has previously supplied Soviet-era air defense missiles to Kyiv.

How serious is it?



On paper, in theory - yes, 5V21 could fly up to 300 km. What accuracy the new equipment can provide is a question. I wouldn’t count on the old, there are enough stories about S-200 missiles leaving the trajectories, in general, working at long distances based on the reflected signals of one’s ROC was good 50 years ago, today it’s a so-so principle. Very so-so.

In addition, a rocket, even if it has a good speed (up to 3 km / h), is an excellent target: both in the radio range and in the thermal range. 600 years ago, no one even thought about thermal protection and minimizing the thermal footprint, and one can only guess how gorgeous a rocket 50 meters long looks in the radio range. Looks good. That is why seven out of seven missiles were seen and neutralized.

However, they also waste the resource of attention, and interceptor missiles are also valuable. However, alterations such as those we saw in the case can serve as a kind of decoy, diverting attention. Well, if such a target suddenly breaks through air defense, it can also cause some damage.

However, our opinion is that the accuracy of these missiles will be very much below average if satellite guidance is used, perhaps better than nothing. The rocket is very capricious and unstable to external influences. Nevertheless, it is capable of carrying out a certain combat effect both due to its warhead and due to extremely active fuel, which can also be considered as an additional charge.

But half a century old inertial guidance systems (and who would mess around pairing an ancient autopilot with the latest system?) and a semi-active radar homing head are not the best set. Still, it is extremely unlikely that in most cases it will be possible to illuminate a ground or surface target for a missile. Yes, the combination of inertial and radio command guidance can theoretically provide sufficient accuracy to hit larger and, most importantly, static targets like the Crimean Bridge, but...

But this is no longer for artisanal processing.

It is clear that today the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in desperate need of tactical and cruise missiles, but they have nowhere to get them from. "Haymars" are delivered by the piece, it will not be any better with the French SCALP, of which as many as 50 pieces will be given, it will not be better with the Norwegian missiles. They will, but not enough. And the “Points” have already come to an end, and those that remain are a great danger to their own.

Something must be done, and enterprising Ukrainians, who have absolutely nowhere to go, will perform miracles of technical fanaticism, adapting everything that is possible to fit their needs. Including 5V21.

But we know that historically ersatz has always been worse than what it tried to replace. This also applies to MT-LB with attached towers, and drone with an RPG-7 warhead taped with tape. This will also be effective for an anti-aircraft missile from the S-200, from which they tried to make either a tactical or a ballistic missile of an incomprehensible range.

I think the result here will be the same: we saw it. A stake in the ground and then a big and loud “Everything!”. And this will be a natural result. Although it is impossible not to pay tribute to the obstinacy of Ukrainian engineers.

But the fact that the launch positions of the RF Armed Forces will be taken for tracking and further defeat - it seems that such an order has already been given. Let's look at the performance.
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  1. +48
    13 July 2023 04: 01
    The active enemy is constantly inventing something and everything is in order with intelligence, judging by the recent hit at the headquarters.
    Therefore, one should not underestimate the danger of reworking such missiles.
    1. Eug
      +15
      13 July 2023 05: 15
      Moreover, they can give advice. And with the technological capabilities of sponsors and inspirers, relying on the quality of albeit outdated, but Soviet weapons, it can be very unpleasant. Such a bunch of PE when acting on a cluster of drugs is, you know ... yes, and giving a different direction to the PE (like a cone with its base forward, like shrapnel from a height of, say, 50-70 meters) is not so difficult ...
    2. +9
      13 July 2023 08: 07
      The use of S-200 missiles against ground targets is standard. The designers foresaw this possibility from the very beginning. In Syria, they often attacked ground targets.
      1. +6
        13 July 2023 08: 50
        We don't stand still either. Yesterday they again showed on TV a story with a home-made installation for firing single charges from the Grad. I have already suggested giving popular names to such weapons, by analogy with partisan ones, during the war with Napoleon: Osharashnik, Pyryalo, Chekhvost ... The name Pyryalo is very suitable for such a thing, it cannot have any accuracy, but it is capable of dumbfounding. The scheme of the new Pyryal was handed over to a private workshop for production. I'm only afraid that our officials will require licensing of the installation with the entire range of tests at the range and in N-twenty years they will consider it unsafe for the shooter. request
        1. +14
          13 July 2023 10: 38
          . Scheme of the new Pyryal


          Interestingly, factory "piryals" were supplied to Vietnam in the last century. Everything has been thought of and done. And tested. It is necessary to go through the warehouses. There are probably a few thousand. Or ask Vietnamese friends. They recently took away the composition of the T-34. And they definitely kept the "studded" one.
          Necessary items (voice of Barash) laughing
          1. +5
            13 July 2023 10: 56
            Quote: Podvodnik
            Interestingly, factory "piryals" were supplied to Vietnam in the last century. Everything has been thought of and done. And tested. It is necessary to go through the warehouses. There are probably a few thousand.

            This device was never in service with the USSR Armed Forces (a purely export version), so it cannot be in warehouses.
            Quote: Podvodnik
            Or ask Vietnamese friends. They recently took away the composition of the T-34. And they definitely kept the "studded" one.

            But this may well be. Only now Vietnam is entering the US orbit of influence and even small cartridges will not provide us with any money request
          2. +9
            13 July 2023 11: 06
            This product 9P132 is called Grad-P. And it has long been used in the DNR-LNR.
          3. +8
            13 July 2023 11: 22
            Quote: Podvodnik
            Interestingly, factory "piryals" were supplied to Vietnam in the last century.

            This "piper" actually has its own name since the Vietnam War - "Partizan". And in the Donbass it has long been used, long before the NWO.
          4. +6
            13 July 2023 16: 06
            Quote: Podvodnik
            Everything has been thought of and done. And tested. It is necessary to go through the warehouses. There are probably a few thousand.

            Maybe or maybe not. If you recall the story of 1,5 million uniforms missing from warehouses.
            Quote: Podvodnik
            Or ask Vietnamese friends. They recently took away the composition of the T-34.

            In my opinion, it was Laos who returned the T-34 in exchange for newer tanks. hi
        2. 0
          13 July 2023 22: 36
          Installations for firing single charges from the "Grad" were not handicraft made even for the Vietnamese ....
      2. +5
        13 July 2023 15: 45
        Quote from cold wind
        The use of S-200 missiles against ground targets is standard. The designers foresaw this possibility from the very beginning.

        For the S-200, the possibility of working on radar visible ground targets. But the refinement of the complexes with the introduction of the mode of firing at ground targets was not carried out.
        In order to expand the combat capabilities of the system's firepower at the Sary-Shagan range in 1982, several firing at ground targets was carried out on an experimental basis. The missiles in the hardware (target acquisition system) underwent minor revision, the rest of the system equipment was not finalized. In the course of experimental firing, a radar-visible target was destroyed by a rocket - a machine with a special container mounted on it from the MP-8ITs target. When installing a container with radar reflectors on the ground, the radio contrast of the target dropped sharply and the shooting became ineffective. Based on the test results, conclusions were drawn about the possibility of hitting powerful ground-based sources of interference by missiles of the S-200V (S-200M) type system. A high efficiency of firing at surface targets within the radio horizon was expected. But carrying out improvements on the complexes in the troops to introduce a mode of firing at a ground or surface target was considered inappropriate.
        © Said Aminov
      3. +2
        13 July 2023 16: 50
        Quote from cold wind
        The use of S-200 missiles against ground targets is standard. The designers foresaw this possibility from the very beginning.

        You are wrong. No.
      4. 0
        13 July 2023 20: 06
        Quote from cold wind
        The use of S-200 missiles against ground targets is standard. The designers foresaw this possibility from the very beginning. In Syria, they often attacked ground targets.

        Yes A ballista can fly 600 km ... And if the Russian Orthodox Church is sent to the infantry, then in a day it will begin to crumble ...
  2. +10
    13 July 2023 05: 17
    The danger is that the Ukronazis may at some point combine launches of the S-200, with the KR and Hymars (make a simultaneous launch on a priority target), creating a glut effect.
    1. +17
      13 July 2023 06: 15
      "The danger is that the Ukronazis may at some point combine launches of the S-200, with the KR and Hymars"
      the danger is that these missiles, with or without alteration, can be used without any highmars on a large fixed target such as a city, and hit, without any guidance heads, like from a mortar
    2. +1
      13 July 2023 19: 02
      It was under such a scenario of a mass launch of missiles that the effectiveness of the Iron Dome in Israel fell as much as 67% a few years ago. They simply did not have time to reload it, and the blanks flew in dozens ...
  3. -4
    13 July 2023 05: 48
    More strange. Skakuasy have already got everyone with requests to give them air defense, and here there is an air defense system with a range of 240 (and if in the Dubna version, then 300) km. And instead of using these missiles for their intended purpose, they use the collective farm method to convert them into ground-to-ground missiles with very dubious effectiveness. This is a diagnosis: "Ukrainian brain", negatively affects mental abilities.
    1. +12
      13 July 2023 06: 25
      Quote: Nagan
      And instead of using these missiles for their intended purpose, they convert them using the collective farm method into ground-to-ground missiles

      Maybe because the rockets are a little old, and PHYSICALLY? Anti-aircraft guns 57-85-100 mm are also air defense, however, on both sides they are not trying to shoot down planes, but they are hitting completely ground targets ...
    2. +5
      13 July 2023 06: 42
      Maybe the stock of missiles remained, and the radar - that ... winked
    3. +10
      13 July 2023 06: 43
      Tu-154 in 2001 at the joint exercises of the Russian Federation and Ukraine was shot down by such a missile. The distance is about 150 km, if memory serves
    4. +3
      13 July 2023 18: 48
      The comrades are fixated only on missiles. Without a radar (ROC) - a piece of iron-fool. But the electronics on it are also an ax head. The ROC is semi-stationary, and in order to turn around and tune in to a new position, even according to the standards of the USSR, it took about 24 hours. So there are doubts about the use of these missiles. And remember, in Syria, the Jews framed our board during the raid on Damascus Airport. The S-200 air defense system worked there in the standard set and there was a recapture of the missile defense system in flight from an Israeli fighter to our special aircraft. It's one thing that the Syrian calculation worked, and another thing is that the Jews knew this lack of two hundred and used it. I believe that they could help refine the UkroZUR.
    5. +1
      13 July 2023 20: 10
      Quote: Nagan
      More strange. Skakuasy have already got everyone with requests to give them air defense, and here there is an air defense system with a range of 240 (and if in the Dubna version, then 300) km. And instead of using these missiles for their intended purpose, they use the collective farm method to convert them into ground-to-ground missiles with very dubious effectiveness. This is a diagnosis: "Ukrainian brain", negatively affects mental abilities.

      After highlighting the target, the complex is the target. The curtailment standard is up to eight hours and, as they already wrote here, 11 meters with a fiery plume - that’s another mark on the radar.
  4. +5
    13 July 2023 06: 14
    Quote: Nagan
    More strange. Skakuasy have already got everyone with requests to give them air defense, and here there is an air defense system with a range of 240 (and if in the Dubna version, then 300) km. And instead of using these missiles for their intended purpose, they use the collective farm method to convert them into ground-to-ground missiles with very dubious effectiveness. This is a diagnosis: "Ukrainian brain", negatively affects mental abilities.

    They got everyone with cassette players, then it turned out ... that while in the west they were "making" a decision ... they were already in place
    So ... what the fans of the 404th are asking for, it’s not a fact that it’s already on the way ... this is military action, here we need secrecy in supplies and their time
    1. +4
      13 July 2023 06: 36
      Quote from Sith
      They got everyone with cassette players

      So Ukraine and Russia did not sign an agreement to ban cassette players on both sides of a mountain of such weapons, and no one is embarrassed to use
  5. +21
    13 July 2023 06: 20
    Not everything is so rosy for us with the "piece" deliveries of Hymars and Stormshadow for Ukroreich.
    Deliveries are going on, no one is going to interrupt them.
    On the way and planes, with almost trained crews.
    Turkish 155mm howitzers, more than 100 pieces (hello from a friend of Erdogan), etc.
    And how well everything began for us ....
    Returned Crimea.
    And they began to talk about the integrity of the borders of the remaining Ukraine.
    The West has a break in the template - what kind of half measure is this?
    Cheerfully began NWO, embassies are fleeing from Kyiv.
    Then, before the end of the Istanbul shame, the Turks announced that they were returning the embassy to Kyiv.
    I emphasize, before the signing of the agreement.
    The West is talking about humanitarian supplies.
    Then our strange regroupings with the belt.
    The West is talking about detailed weapons for Ukraine.
    And so on, in ascending order.

    And all this Kherson shame, like the recent statement by the French about the supply of missiles with a radius of 250 km, is commented on by Peskov with sexual pity.

    Indecision there, in the West, is interpreted as weakness.
    Oil and gas supplies as our willingness to bargain.
  6. +2
    13 July 2023 06: 28
    Yes, Russia uses S-300 air defense systems, which have not the best, but surface-to-ground capabilities, to strike large static ground targets in Ukraine.

    Give the author a sedative! It has long been figured out that Russia does NOT use S-300 missiles against ground targets in dill, this is how self-shelling with dill is explained. fool
    I didn’t even read these fantasies of Skomorokhov further.
    1. +1
      13 July 2023 08: 33
      I didn’t even read these fantasies of Skomorokhov further.
      Likewise! (m / f "Koloboks are investigating")
    2. 0
      13 July 2023 10: 50
      What if the author knows something that we do not know, I would have been more interested in his description of the C300 ground-to-ground system than about today's S200.
      I hope to tell you soon.
      1. 0
        13 July 2023 18: 53
        Command telecontrol system - and the whole fairy tale. I set the necessary coordinates and the missile defense system will do everything itself (it will cover the aiming area with a swarm of GGE and the remains of the destroyed hull.
  7. +4
    13 July 2023 07: 00
    All this says one thing: they have a war with us. The entire Bandera state is imprisoned for this war. The ENTIRE West is working and will work for this war. Exactly until the moment when we start a war with them. But, we have SVO.
  8. +2
    13 July 2023 07: 57
    Our designers must be given the task to also remake the missiles of the decommissioned complexes that are in storage. China to help us, and weak air defense is independent. With the same performance characteristics, the result can be much better than that of the APU.
    1. 0
      13 July 2023 15: 11
      Our designers are not given assignments, our designers run around the military with their models of new weapons and try to explain to them why the army needs it. The military kicks back, then asks if your missile can fly through half the planet through the missile defense system and hit the bunker under the Himalayas. And then they will test it for 10 years, they will put it into service and will buy 5 pieces a year
      1. -3
        13 July 2023 18: 54
        In what kind of shitty country do you have to suffer.
    2. +3
      13 July 2023 16: 18
      Quote from Dekimen
      Our designers must be given the task to also remake the missiles of the decommissioned complexes that are in storage.

      In fact, our designers do not need to redo anything. Where are the many decommissioned Tochka-U complexes ??? Why are they not used, this is a rather formidable weapon.
      1. -1
        13 July 2023 23: 56
        But if you look unfriendly us Wikipedia, then there in the article about "Tochka-U" it is written, oddly enough, rather friendly (in the sense that the Russian leadership is friends with the brain) and logical information about the resumption of production and use of Tochka-U missiles in the Russian Federation:

        it was reported that in Russia, at the end of 2019, the re-equipment from the Tochka-U complexes to the Iskander-M missile systems took place[28][29][30]. At the beginning of 2022, according to The Military Balance, Tochka-U was not in service with Russian troops[31]. The Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights notes that despite the statements of the Russian authorities about the removal of Tochka-U from service, after the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, there is reliable information about the use of them by the Russian army in at least 10 cases[14]. According to the Royal Joint Institute for Defense Studies, despite the almost complete abandonment of Tochka-U in 2019, Russian industry has opened a new production line to restore and return old stocks of Tochka-U to replenish dwindling stocks of Iskander missiles, such Thus, the complex was returned to combat use after the start of the invasion of Ukraine[15][32].

        According to the Institute for the Study of War, as of April 8, 2022, the 8th Guards Combined Arms Army of the Russian Armed Forces operating in the Donbass has Tochka-U systems in service[16]. At the beginning of 2023, according to The Military Balance, 50 Tochka-U units are in service in the Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces[13].


        Although it may well be that all this is just propaganda for the sake of the case when the Ukrainian "Tochka-U" hit the Kramatorsk railway station.
  9. +8
    13 July 2023 08: 59
    Again, do not underestimate the enemy. On the other side there are not some barmaley, although even barmaley can surprise. On the other side is a quite developed state with an active educated people who recently had a serious industry.
    A simple example today I read the news that for the first time Russian troops used a carnet with a remote control. And the enemy has had such pturs for a long time. And not delivered from the West, but their own developments.
    1. 0
      14 July 2023 23: 08
      And then it also turns out that this is not a cornet, but a stugna with new nameplates. There are no censored words.
  10. 0
    13 July 2023 09: 15
    Most likely, Western specialists are helping here, the filling would be pieced together, I'm sure foreign.
  11. +5
    13 July 2023 10: 31
    Belgorod is a major city within reach.
    Recently, in the Belgorod region, they beat them with everything they could.
    Regular warhead with balls and at an altitude of 50 - 70 meters above the city. It will be horror.
    It is clear that those who are in positions understand this. But it is necessary to control the readiness by a directive from above.
    A high flight speed can bring a surprise, and even if a warhead is intercepted, it can fly somewhere by inertia.
  12. +2
    13 July 2023 10: 41
    The scope of work is finite. Install a GPS unit, the simplest inertial system with a unit for issuing commands to the autopilot, and a system for issuing a flight task. Theoretically, instead of CGS, add explosives. It turns out a ballistic missile with perfect accuracy when shooting at sawmills and not only.

    It must be remembered that the Israelis shot down an S-200 that flew in from Syria.
  13. -3
    13 July 2023 10: 49
    . .. Yes, Russia uses S-300 air defense systems, which have not the best, but the capabilities of the ground-to-ground class, to strike large static ground targets in Ukraine

    author, from this place in more detail, please, when and where was the use of the S-300?
  14. 0
    13 July 2023 11: 07
    What if they shot at the sawmill, and after all they smashed it to smithereens am
    1. 0
      13 July 2023 20: 15
      Quote: blackcat
      What if they shot at the sawmill, and after all they smashed it to smithereens am

      Competing organization ordered?
  15. -4
    13 July 2023 11: 44
    Good afternoon, Roman!
    Thanks for the interesting article.
    In your opinion, is it possible to use the S-200 from an air carrier and how much will the range increase in this case?
    1. +9
      13 July 2023 16: 54
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      In your opinion, is it possible to use the S-200 from an air carrier and how much will the range increase in this case?

      For a number of reasons, I did not comment on the absurdities contained in this publication. But your question blocked even the article itself. wassat
    2. +1
      13 July 2023 18: 56
      Were you fond of fireworks as a child?
    3. +2
      13 July 2023 20: 17
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      In your opinion, is it possible to use the S-200 from an air carrier and how much will the range increase in this case?

      belay Rocket 11 meters... wassat If only on "Mriya" ... requestWell, or from the "Swans", how to throw buldygans ...
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    13 July 2023 15: 02
    Sorry sawmill. People worked there.
  17. +3
    13 July 2023 18: 41
    Quote: Bongo
    Quote: Victor Leningradets
    In your opinion, is it possible to use the S-200 from an air carrier and how much will the range increase in this case?

    For a number of reasons, I did not comment on the absurdities contained in this publication. But your question blocked even the article itself. wassat

    Tu-22M3bis with cabling)
  18. +1
    13 July 2023 18: 47
    Early detection radars from the S-200 complex of the P-14, P-35 types had an excellent range from 400 to 600.
    .......
    Reduce sturgeon ....
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      13 July 2023 18: 51
      Yes, you can still remember p18, which is generally meteorological, but how beautiful it was
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        13 July 2023 23: 19
        Something I'm really bad at, I mixed up p 18 with p 32. I'm sorry.
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      23 July 2023 07: 11
      Quote: Grim Reaper
      Reduce sturgeon ....

      On our reviewer in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, they were following the South Korean Boeing and walking parallel to it RC-135 along the air border.
  19. +2
    13 July 2023 21: 10
    in the first world for mobility, heavy artillery systems were installed on railway transporters. The S-200 is a heavy stationary complex, is it also possible to modify it in order to launch it from a railway conveyor? Disguise as some kind of ordinary wagon ...
  20. +1
    13 July 2023 23: 10
    Quote: Third District
    Quote: Podvodnik
    Everything has been thought of and done. And tested. It is necessary to go through the warehouses. There are probably a few thousand.

    Maybe or maybe not. If you recall the story of 1,5 million uniforms missing from warehouses.
    Quote: Podvodnik
    Or ask Vietnamese friends. They recently took away the composition of the T-34.

    In my opinion, it was Laos who returned the T-34 in exchange for newer tanks. hi

    There are no facts about 1.5 million sets of uniforms, except for the words of Gupulev. And after the "case" with Popov, it's better not to remember Gurulev in vain.
  21. -3
    13 July 2023 23: 43
    The article is to the point and makes you think. The fact is that the missiles in question have a real danger, it is enough to recall the flight from Israel shot down by the Ukrainians. And the guidance units and the target designation system will be given to them by Western partners. Considering that the Ukrainian shoots not at military targets, but according to the principle of where he hit, the border regions of Russia will again begin to collect such strikes. And God forbid such ammunition will fly into one of the border cities, 18 iron balls will cover a crowd of civilians ...
  22. +2
    14 July 2023 00: 12
    Maybe I don’t understand something, but you can analyze the wreckage of this rocket (and others like it) and determine the presence in the rocket tanks of a mixture of AK-27 based on nitric acid and TG-02 of the “Samin product”. And it will become clear whether this missile was S-200 or not.

    Maybe such an analysis has already been carried out, but they are silent about it?
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