A project to reform the US Marine Corps appeared in the American press

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A project to reform the US Marine Corps appeared in the American press

To be honest, today I was amazed, surprised, deprived of confidence in the existence of logic ... the Americans. This was expressed in the fact that in the United States they suddenly remembered that the words "sea" and "marine (infantry)" are not only interconnected, but also come from the same root, are associated with the same element.

Although, to be honest to the end, we also forgot it. No one is surprised that Marines from various fleets of the Navy work in the NWO. No one is surprised that the mountain units are fighting quite normally in the steppes of Ukraine. There is no need to talk about the paratroopers of the Airborne Forces.



In fact, today it is rather difficult to distinguish between air infantry, marines or other specialized units. Differences can only be seen somewhere in the parade. The armament is the same as that of all other units and subunits. Yes, and the field form is appropriate. And the tasks are similar.

I recently came across an interesting article by an American writer and defense journalist, Kyle Mizokami, who spoke about plans to modernize the US Marine Corps in the coming years. Simply put, Mizokami reminded the Americans of what, in fact, the Marine Corps was created for ...

What the American journalist writes is called the plan for the modernization of the US Marine Corps until 2030.

Ukraine teaches not only the Russian army, but also the American one


We often say that the NVO has become a litmus test that has revealed many shortcomings in the preparation of the Armed Forces for a possible global conflict with NATO and the United States. We have tested many existing and future weapon systems in real mode. Including in direct opposition to Western weapons.

But the enemy is watching us closely. The methods of conducting combat operations of the Russian army are being studied. Captured samples of equipment and weapons are being studied. Countermeasures are being developed. Sometimes successful, sometimes failing. For example, the sinking of our cruiser Moskva prompted American analysts to create far-reaching plans to combat fleets the adversary.

First of all, however, the author of the material mentions this in passing, about the basic conclusion on which the plan for the reorganization of the US Marine Corps is built. For many of our readers, this will also be new. It turned out that modern warfare is completely different from the one that military analysts and Hollywood filmmakers have painted for us for many years.

The war will not be like US and NATO military operations in Iraq or Afghanistan, Yugoslavia or Syria. Yes, military technology has changed, but the essence of war has remained exactly the same as it was during World War II. As it was “you took the enemy’s position only when the eggs of your soldier (sorry for the soldier’s directness) hovered over his trench”, it remains so.

It was the postulate about the similarity of the future war and the past war that became the basis on which all further conclusions are built. It was this conclusion that made the American journalist remember why a new military structure, different from the army, was being created in the USA.

There is another factor that the Pentagon has to take into account. Namely, what is real in the event of a war will have to fight with China or Russia. The rest of the armies either simply do not pose any danger or are located where, according to the new concept, the Marines will not operate.

Well, the third factor, which we, for example, do not often take into account. This is money. The cost of maintaining the ILC, armament and other costs, up to the payment of pensions to veterans of the corps and compensation to the wounded and sick. It is these costs that officials primarily pay attention to when forming a new military budget.

What is the essence of the reform of the Marine Corps?


So, by 2030, the Marine Corps should once again be... the Marine Corps. That is, its main task should be to conduct combat operations on the islands, archipelagos and coast of the enemy, as it was during the Second World War. It was then that the legend of the power of the Marine Corps was born. It was there that the Marines were most effective.

So, the main thing. As I wrote above, China is recognized as the main adversary of the United States. Russia is named second in importance. Hence, the ILC must control precisely these countries. Prepare to fight on the islands and coasts of China and Russia. Therefore, it is necessary to divide the Corps into three parts, according to the author of the project, a regiment (brigade), which would be specially prepared for the war with this enemy.

The question arises as to who will conduct combat operations in the depths of enemy territory? The answer is simple. Marines seize a bridgehead, create a landing zone for army units, ensure the operation of air defense and coastal defense with the help of MLRS. After the landing of an army landing and the transition of the United States Army to the offensive, the units of the Marine Corps receive a new task.

Marine units must become more mobile. To do this, it is necessary to re-equip these units. For example, remove Tanks and heavy howitzers. For operations in the coastal zone and on the islands, they are of little use. They do more harm than good. Delivery of heavy weapons is quite problematic. But combat use is always in question.

So, the minimum distance at which the famous M777 can be used is 1,6 miles (about 2,5 km). Agree, for the amphibious assault, this is really critical. And who will suppress the artillery of the defenders at shorter distances? Transfer smaller calibers additionally? Of course, some of these howitzers will need to be preserved, but the rest should be transferred to the army.

Exactly the same situation with the M1A1 Abrams. Yes, these are serious combat vehicles, but how will they operate, for example, on artificial islands in the South China Sea? But there are 450 Abramsovs in the KMP! This means that these machines must be transferred to the army, leaving a small part for themselves. Which will entail a sharp drop in the combat power of the Marine units.

Further, in connection with the elimination of tank units, the need to maintain a large number of engineering vehicles disappears. In particular, bridgelayers. Which again frees up space on the landing craft and speeds up the landing of amphibious assault. That is, the landing force becomes more mobile.

Another important decision is the reduction in the number of helicopters and convertiplanes. Since the fighting will be limited to the islands and the coast, there is no need for the Corps to transfer personnel into the depths of the enemy defenses. Then why does the corps need such a large number of UH-1Y Venom and MV-22B Osprey?

The next problem, which again needs to be addressed, is airplanes! Today, the Corps is armed with 420 F-35B and F-35C. These aircraft operate in squadrons of 16 units each. The Corps does not intend to reduce the air group. But the squadrons are subject to reorganization. Now there will be units of 10 aircraft.

And, finally, about the number of regiments (brigades) and their location. The Marine Corps will consist of three combat regiments. The number of each of the regiments is approximately 1800-2000 marines and sailors. The first regiment will be based somewhere in the Atlantic or in the Baltic Sea. The goal is to counter Russia.

The second regiment will continue to be stationed in Okinawa. The mission of the regiment is to contain China and North Korea. The third regiment will again continue to be stationed in Hawaii. It's no secret that Hawaii is now turned into a fortress by the Marine Corps.

In general, if we consider all the planned activities only from a military point of view, it is a paradox, but they will really strengthen the Marine Corps. Blurring tasks is always more of a hindrance than a help. With such a reform, the tasks are concretized. This makes it possible for better training of personnel and military equipment.

In addition to cuts, quite significant changes are planned, which stem from the experience of the war in Ukraine. First of all, this concerns the HIMARS MLRS systems and high-precision missiles for them. Indeed, these systems have proven to be effective.

However, I have a question about how this high-precision weapon will work in the absence of guidance satellites? I do not think that in the event of a full-scale conflict, space groups will remain untouched. Today, both China and Russia have killer satellites in their space forces.

The “new Corps” will pay great attention to robotic systems. Purchases are planned drones all kinds. From UAVs and ground drones to marine drones. The command of the Corps hopes with the help of drones to compensate for the striking power lost with the withdrawal of tanks from the corps.

There is also a completely new development, which is being tested, but is already planned for the purchase of the ILC. These are the promising NMESIS coastal robotic missile system and the new NSM anti-ship missile. The complex showed pretty good results back in 2021.

A little about the tactics of the "new ILC"


I will deliberately not say much about the tactics that the US Marines are going to use. Simply because this is just a return to the past, to the times of the Second World War. To whom it will be interesting, you can easily find materials even in our publication.

So, a brief summary of the actions of the Marine Corps in the event of a conflict. Using high-speed delivery vehicles, a reinforced infantry battalion of the Marine Corps is landed on an island, archipelago or on the coast. Coastal positions are destroyed, and the battalion begins cleaning up the island. A forward base for marines is being created.

Following the infantry, a group of two battalions landed on the island. Air defense battalion and logistics battalion. Their task is to provide air defense and coastal defense. That is to control the sky and the sea. And here is something new.

After clearing the island with infantry, the battalions do not place their launchers compactly, which would be logical in terms of control, but scattering them all over the island. Yes, management in this case is really complicated, but the principle of “laying eggs into different baskets” is respected.

This position will be maintained until the entire formation completes the task and the enemy retreats. Immediately after the start of the retreat, the infantry of the Corps receives the task of capturing another island. The two remaining battalions operate in exactly the same way as at the beginning of the operation.

For me personally, it’s a little unclear who will remain on the captured island? Theoretically, everything looks quite logical, except for this particular question. Well, if the island is more or less large and it has an airfield. Then it will be possible to transport army units and means to ensure the defense of the island there. What if there is no airport? Will the army infantry work like the infantry of the Corps? Ship delivery?

Conclusion


In principle, I understand why such an idea of ​​reforming the US Marine Corps appeared. Like most developed countries, Americans suffer from the same disease as Europeans, Russians, Japanese and many other nations. The population is aging! Mob. resources are getting smaller. This means that the optimization of the defensive system itself is necessary. It is necessary to increase the efficiency of each soldier...

In addition, the modern army is very expensive for the state. Billion-dollar weapons systems are not uncommon. I won’t even write about tens of millions for a rocket. And all these expensive systems quickly become obsolete and require replacement. Consequently, every year the military is forced to come up with more and more reasons why the army should receive more funds next year.

In addition, weapons and ammunition are consumed even without the conduct of hostilities. Agree, work on a simulator and the actual use of live ammunition, even on a target, are two different things. And soldiers and officers need to be taught and checked their skills constantly. This means that it is necessary to at least maintain the same level, and it is better to develop the defense industry and military science.

But most importantly, this is my personal opinion, a simple truth is beginning to reach the Americans, which has long been known to any European, Asian or Russian. That war, when the enemy of the United States will be armies that are inferior to the American army in all respects, will not happen. The fight will be Russians against the Americans, Chinese against the Americans, Russians and Chinese in alliance against the Americans.

The Pentagon realized that NATO, with its "powerful armed forces", powerful economy and other militant entourage, was just extras for American units in Europe. In the event of any conflict, the main hardships of the war will fall to the Americans.

This applies even to the most warlike British islanders. Britain does not actually have a land army. The United States independently turned the Germans into a completely incompetent army. Even France plays a decorative, exhibition role. All that remains of NATO without these armies is not worth a damn.

Meanwhile, if we take into account all American units in Europe, if they are combined into a single structure, then the United States in Europe has one reinforced combat division (according to the states of the US Army). And most importantly, today it is simply impossible to quickly transfer any serious forces from the territory of the United States. And there are no such forces.

Kyle Mizokami's material in Popular Mechanics deserves careful study in order to understand the direction of the American military in the coming decades. Yes, this is still only a project, but a project that is being studied at the headquarters of the Marine Corps.

So, firstly, the issue of reforming the Corps is on the agenda, and, secondly, something from the author’s proposal will definitely be included in the final version of the decision ...
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  1. -6
    11 July 2023 06: 51
    Thanks for the article, Alexander!
    It is very informative how in a short period of time (70 years after the Korean War) the strongest marines in the world degenerated into a miserable semblance of the Marine Police and Coast Guard.
    That they have a lot of penguins in their headquarters (however, like ours), I suspected this, but that these penguins are imbecile, this is of course complete trash!
    The Marine Corps is the ONLY branch of the US military that was capable of waging a real war, and that actually fought. All US theaters are overseas, so the delivery of large forces and equipment, as well as their supply, is the task of the fleet. And the marines are his, the Fleet, ground forces. So the marines must be equipped with everything: strike aircraft, tanks, engineering troops, transport, etc. That's what they have to fight on land, and be delivered by sea. And the selection must be done very carefully.
    By capturing a foothold, this new seal-guinea pig hybrid is supposed to hand over territory to conventional infantry. And it, equipment and supplies should be transported again by sea. In the event of a war, more than a landwehr for this type of troops cannot be counted on. So, dumping on the captured bridgehead all the gender diversity dressed in camouflage without air supremacy (which is not conceivable in the conditions of the bridgehead, and deck - it is only to support the landing and is suitable, but when the Marines left - you, the infantry, somehow yourself) the Americans they will receive in the standings the corpses of marines who stormed the coast naked, and equipment captured by the enemy. The fate of the infantry, which replaced the marines on the bridgehead - to the taste of the winners, they can be sent to the construction sites of the Motherland, or they can be disposed of these luminaries of democracy.
    Yes, in various units of the Marine Corps, weapons should be different, but the share of this type of troops in the coming war for the United States must inevitably be dominant. At the same time, not all units will be equipped for landing on an unequipped coast, but all must meet the task of warfare on land with support from the sea. Actually, in the Pacific Theater of Operations (namely, it will be the main one!) It cannot be otherwise. So strategic aviation, navy and marines will be the real power of the United States in the upcoming war.
    And now, having seen what a land war is on the example of the capture of Artyomovsk and the meat assaults of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, try to predict what type of infantry should become the main one in the upcoming war for Russia.
    1. +7
      11 July 2023 11: 35
      The US Marine Corps is a separate branch of the military, separate from the Navy and Army.
      Before the reform, the Marines were somewhat similar to our Airborne Forces: a lot of courage, but in fact - an alternative to army units.
      The essence of the IMHO reform is to abandon the tasks that the army men solve, and take a special niche in capturing and controlling bridgeheads on the coast before the landing of the main army units.
      The mobility of the Marines should be provided by high-speed sea transports with an emphasis on medium landing craft.

      With this approach, the value of the Marines, as a separate army controlled by the US president, is greatly leveled. To conduct a major operation, it will be necessary to involve the army, and this is already the prerogative of Congress.
      1. +2
        11 July 2023 15: 23
        The author - in the Marine Corps there are three regiments of 2000 people each ??? Baltics, Korea and Hawaii???

        American doctrine is geared towards a crushing, decisive first strike. If the first blow is not such, the doctrine is laconic about defense. The main thing is the initiative and the first blow. Marines after this reform will become even more flawed in defense.
  2. +7
    11 July 2023 08: 30
    We have an analogue of the Airborne Forces, so much has been said about the reform. Of course, generations have gone through this, traditions and all that, but you need to look realistically at things: the equipment is weak, more serious armor is needed, no one will throw off aircraft. Try to fly up, for example, to the Dnieper with a dozen ILs and land drugs with equipment. Here is to strengthen, rewrite the tasks and there will be gorgeous assault units!
    1. +4
      11 July 2023 11: 45
      The Airborne Forces need to be reformed in the direction of air assault units, which should be landed by any type of transport: vehicles, armored vehicles, helicopters, parachutes, amphibious assault vehicles. Reduce the existing airborne divisions with infantry fighting vehicles to 3 times the transportation capacity of the existing fleet of military-technical vehicles, and increase the number of personnel on the Rakushka armored personnel carrier in companies. Air assault units must be separated from vehicles, which must be included in divisions as separate units.
      1. +2
        11 July 2023 13: 34
        Lots of beeches, little sense. Particularly smiled at the way the landing of the DSHB by road. In general, it is high time to radically reduce the landing force, transferring it to the composition of motorized rifle divisions by company. Just in the form of light infantry in helicopters like amers in Vietnam. Cheap and cheerful. Do the same with OBRSpn.
        1. 0
          11 July 2023 17: 18
          "I especially smiled at the way the DSHB was disembarked by road"
          And there is nothing funny about it. In the NWO they are now being transported by trucks to the LBS
          1. +4
            11 July 2023 21: 52
            Transportation by car to the battlefield does not apply to landing methods. Or do you think our infantry in the Second World War carried out large-scale landing operations by jumping off tanks or arriving at the front line in trucks? So then we are all paratroopers.
        2. +3
          11 July 2023 17: 37
          Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
          Lots of letters, little meaning. Particularly smiled at the way the landing of the DSHB by road.

          On 08.08.08, the 7th Airborne Division landed in Abkhazia in general by rail. smile
          1. +2
            11 July 2023 21: 55
            Well, yes. Now all of us have become paratroopers. I arrived at the front by train - a paratrooper, they were taken by truck - a cargo-mobile operation. I'll even give you a plus. I haven't been so amused in a long time.
            1. +1
              12 July 2023 10: 37
              Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
              Well, yes. Now all of us have become paratroopers. I arrived at the front by train - a paratrooper, they were taken by truck - a cargo-mobile operation.

              The thing is different - the number of airborne forces in our country constantly exceeds the possibilities for their release. Even in Soviet times, the BTA raised a little more than one airborne division. So we get formally airborne, but in fact - automobile and airborne and railway landing troops. smile
      2. +2
        11 July 2023 16: 30
        Quote: Cympak
        The Airborne Forces need to be reformed in the direction of air assault units, which should be landed by any type of transport: vehicles, armored vehicles, helicopters, parachutes, amphibious assault vehicles.

        Then airmobile formations for the rapid strengthening of ground forces in threatened areas.
        Leave a couple of parachute battalions in the division - to capture the same airfields in wars with zusuls low intensity conflicts. And the rest should be reorganized and re-equipped for landing landing - which will make it possible to increase the protection and firepower of the division (because the same BMP-3 cannot be thrown away with a parachute, but it can be transported in a cargo compartment from the airfield to the airfield). Anyway, for more than half a century, the Airborne Forces have been fighting from the ground, in the same ranks with motorized riflemen.
        1. 0
          11 July 2023 21: 59
          I also propose to partially convert the paratroopers to trucks and name the truck-borne units, otherwise here people, listing the methods of landing, mentioned road and rail.
    2. +2
      11 July 2023 13: 41
      Here I agree. The landing, in modern conditions, is irrevocably outdated. Therefore, the only way out is to abolish the Airborne Forces and MPs of the Navy and turn them into army units with heavy equipment (it can be super-heavy for storming fortifications), and turn the ObrSpn into light companies for landing from helicopters. And all this is handed over to the motorized rifle divisions.
      1. 0
        11 July 2023 14: 44
        Because the only way out is to abolish the Airborne Forces

        But what about Uncle Vasya's troops?
        But what about the day of the Airborne Forces?
        leave a little
        let's say a division sad
        1. -1
          11 July 2023 14: 51
          The battalion will come down for the parade. Everything disappears sometime. The time of paratroopers and special forces has passed. In addition, the benefit from the disappearance of the need to maintain a large fleet of VTA and landing ships becomes obvious.
          1. +1
            11 July 2023 19: 06
            The battalion will come down for the parade. Everything disappears sometime. The time of paratroopers and special forces has passed. In addition, the benefit from the disappearance of the need to maintain a large fleet of VTA and landing ships becomes obvious.

            And their time never existed. The most effective deep reconnaissance group (in a modern way) during the Second World War consisted not of supermen with long and expensive training, but of former schoolchildren.

        2. 0
          11 July 2023 23: 30
          Among the Americans, after a period of passion for airborne operations in the first post-war decades, as far as I know, almost all paratroopers continued to be called that only by virtue of tradition, in fact, retraining into "ordinary" units and formations, from armored to light and mountain infantry. Now, perhaps, except that one 75th regiment is still jumping somewhere.
      2. +4
        11 July 2023 17: 29
        There is no need to reduce the Airborne Forces as a branch of the armed forces. These are one of the most combat-ready units in the RF Armed Forces. They need to be reformed, tasks, weapons, tactics should be changed.
        For example, when the tank units of the US Marines were reduced, the crews were offered a choice of:
        - go to the tank units of the army
        - move to other positions in the Marine Corps
        - resign from service.
        result: not a single Marine tanker transferred to army tank units.
        If we disperse the Airborne Forces, I'm afraid we will lose the former combat-ready units, but we will not get new ones.
        We need to create elite units in the army units with their own culture, their own uniform (berets / vests), motivation and heroization: assault units, grenadiers on infantry fighting vehicles, rangers for operations in mountainous, wooded and arctic areas. Like the US Rangers. To serve as a grenadier in an infantry fighting vehicle should be as honorable as being a paratrooper or marine.
        1. -1
          11 July 2023 22: 05
          Then I propose to take the organization of the Wehrmacht as a basis. There were jaeger, grenadier, panzergrenadier divisions. Only when the war began in the east, everything got mixed up and everyone fought in a bunch like INFANTRY. For the past 30 years, the Marines, the Airborne Forces, and the Special Forces have been fighting like this for the last XNUMX years. Like INFANTRY. So why do we need them? Maybe it's easier to create good infantry? Yes, I forgot. She will not be able to parachute from cars and railway trains. Only the elite can do this, and not all of them.
          1. 0
            12 July 2023 10: 45
            Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
            Then I propose to take the organization of the Wehrmacht as a basis.

            Oh yes ... a parachute-tank division is just what the Airborne Forces need. smile
            Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
            Maybe it's easier to create good infantry?

            Fiction - on the third shelf from the left. © smile
            It is easier to reorganize the Airborne Forces according to lightweight infantry states (to maintain air mobility).
  3. +11
    11 July 2023 08: 53
    Hmm ... Such an interesting topic, so vulgar ... The reform of the ILC has been going on for 2-3 years, the tanks have already been written off to storage bases. There is a sharp increase in the role of UAVs and missile weapons. The ILC is preparing for wars in the Asia-Pacific region, where it is impossible to deploy a serious army. There are simply no threats in the European / Continental theater of operations, the Russian Federation destroyed its army, there are no armies even at the level of Saddam's Iraq, so they wrote off all heavy equipment. In general, everything is done logically. Here are the published plans for the number of divisions:
    1. 0
      11 July 2023 10: 39
      Everything is correct. Yes and this
      Another important decision is the reduction in the number of helicopters and convertiplanes.
      With regard to landing operations, you can’t think of any nonsense, but the author came up with ... Then redo the UDC, saving them from all aircraft carriers wink Although later he
      So, a brief summary of the actions of the Marine Corps in the event of a conflict. Using high speed delivery, a reinforced infantry lands on an island, archipelago or on the coast ...
      1. +9
        11 July 2023 11: 03
        The ILC is ordering high-speed expeditionary transport ships to disembark from the horizon and move between the islands. Helicopters/Tiltroplanes are too dependent on the weather and not so easy to use. That's about it.
  4. -1
    11 July 2023 09: 52
    So many letters and so little meaning))) but the meaning is extremely simple. Congress does not like the ILC very much, and therefore the Marines are supplied, always on a residual basis. No one wondered why the Marines are still armed with the M1A1, when the army has long been on the modified M1A2? But because under American law, the president can use the Marines without the approval of Congress. In order not to give the president much power, Congress keeps the Marines "in a black body." This is another attempt.
  5. +4
    11 July 2023 11: 35
    I recently came across an interesting article by an American writer and defense journalist, Kyle Mizokami, who spoke about plans to modernize the US Marine Corps in the coming years.

    Ahem ... in fact, the reform of the USMC in VO has been discussed for several years.
    In fact, the new leadership of the ILC decided to abandon the concept of a "second army" and turn the Corps into a combination of landing forces and coastal missile forces, making the support of the fleet the main task of the new ILC.
    For me personally, it’s a little unclear who will remain on the captured island? Theoretically, everything looks quite logical, except for this particular issue.

    And who remains on the old lines of defense after a successful offensive? wink
    It will be like in WWII - they took the island; created a base cleared the archipelago; relying on the base, they organized DESO to the next archipelago - and moved the base there. Forces on the old frontiers remain only if a complete sweep was deemed inexpedient - and it was decided to block individual islands of the archipelago occupied by the enemy. Or if a permanent base is being equipped on the archipelago.
  6. +1
    11 July 2023 11: 54
    The question arises as to who will conduct combat operations in the depths of enemy territory? The answer is simple. Marines seize a bridgehead, create a landing zone for army units, ensure the operation of air defense and coastal defense with the help of MLRS. After the landing of an army landing and the transition of the United States Army to the offensive, the units of the Marine Corps receive a new task.

    Hehehehe ... the funny thing is that in WWII the Corps planned to act in exactly the same way: the task of the marines was considered to be the capture of a bridgehead with a place for unloading and ensuring the safe unloading of army units, to which the marines were losing ground and leaving to prepare for the next DESO.
    But it turned out to be a complete Guadalcanal: the fleet throws out troops and is washed off, taking with them half of the unloaded supplies, the marines are fighting in one person, the army men arrive only after a couple of months. The condition of the Marines at the time they surrendered their positions to the army is well shown in The Pacific.
    Then it became even more fun: in some DESOs, the Marines worked as one person, and in some, the army men landed together with the Marines or without them at all. At the same time, the formations of the ILC were constantly "heavier", so that by the end of the war, the formation of the marines of the corps level in some countries could pull on the army. smile
    Generally, it was smooth on paper.
    1. +1
      11 July 2023 12: 43
      Yes, on Guadalcanal, Amer's marines "raked out to the fullest", as well as on all the Solomon Islands.
      1. +2
        11 July 2023 16: 15
        Quote: TermNachTER
        Yes, on Guadalcanal, Amer's marines "raked out to the fullest", as well as on all the Solomon Islands.

        Taking into account the fact that this was the first battle of a division that had just completed its formation and had never landed in a combat situation before, Guadalcanal looks quite normal for the ILC. The landing zone was held. The platform has been expanded. The airfield was held. All Japanese counterattacks were repulsed. We waited for the army and handed over the positions to them.
        And this is taking into account the fact that the first couple of weeks the Marines had to live and fight in fact in isolation and on starvation rations - on the stocks that Turner unloaded before run away take away underloaded transports (taking with them not only supplies, but also part of the regular heavy weapons of the marines).
        The marines had provisions for 17 days (including trophies), and ammunition for 4 days of fighting. At the rate of "60 days and 10 days".
        The forces ashore had 17 days 'rations - after counting captured Japanese food - and only four days' supply of ammunition for all weapons.

        © First Offensive: The Marine Campaign for Guadalcanal

        It's funny that if Mikawa, after the defeat of the cruising cover forces of the DESO, attacked the transports, then the Marines would be even better - because some of those who went to the TR base in real life would have thrown themselves ashore in such an alternative, leaving their cargo to the landing party.
        1. -1
          11 July 2023 18: 27
          Still not to be kept))) given that there were three healthy marines for each hungry Japanese. There is no point in talking about the advantage in aviation, artillery and the navy. Written already unmeasured)))
          1. +5
            11 July 2023 20: 40
            Quote: TermNachTER
            given that there were three healthy Marines for every hungry Japanese. There is no point in talking about the advantage in aviation, artillery and the navy

            What do you think normal people should fight?
            1. -1
              11 July 2023 21: 38
              Normal people should fight in the normal way, but then there is no need to compare the incomparable. The Japanese, in the Solomon Islands, as elsewhere, could not even dream of what the Americans had.
              1. 0
                12 July 2023 11: 28
                Quote: TermNachTER
                The Japanese, in the Solomon Islands, as elsewhere, could not even dream of what the Americans had.

                It was in 1943-1945 that the Japanese could not have dreamed. And in 1942, the situation for the Marines was not yet so rosy.
                For example, the location of the pilots and technicians of the "Cactus" was a tent camp on the regularly flooded coconut plantation "Mosquito Grove". smile

                And in general, why climb into the jungle to fight the Yankees if you can’t do it? The Yankees are not to blame for the fact that the IJA and IJN were unable to ensure the normal basing of their forces and logistics? wink
                1. 0
                  12 July 2023 23: 14
                  In the 42nd year, on Guadalcanal, Japanese soldiers received 0,3 daily rations per day, those who fought. Those in the rear ate what they found or caught. As for the tents, it was the first few days, then the pre-fabricated "quonset" hangars appeared. About the shootings. They beat with high-explosive fragmentation in the squares, at night. How many flew in according to GDP, and how many scattered through the surrounding jungle, and now no one knows. So, no need for the unfortunate American Marines. Everything they had was more or less normal, which cannot be said about the Japanese.
                  1. 0
                    13 July 2023 11: 01
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    As for the tents, it was the first few days, then the pre-fabricated "quonset" hangars appeared.


                    KMP camp on Guadalcanal. 1944 Nothing has changed. smile
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    In the 42nd year, on Guadalcanal, Japanese soldiers received 0,3 daily rations per day, those who fought. Those in the rear ate what they found or caught.

                    To the Marines, Turner, out of his generosity, unloaded food for as much as five days - before his ship formation depicted the 101st karate move.
          2. 0
            12 July 2023 11: 21
            Quote: TermNachTER
            Still not to be kept))) given that there were three healthy marines for each hungry Japanese.

            Where can you find a healthy marine on Guadalcanal? wink
            And well-fed - especially considering the fact that his food during the landing was able to unload only 5 days? 17 days of food supplies - this is taking into account the rice seized from the Japanese and other things.

            As for the Japanese, it is necessary to fight normally. And not throw the brigade in two stages on the American defenses. And do not try to do something in the air over Guadalcanal right from Rabaul.
            Quote: TermNachTER
            There is no point in talking about the advantage in aviation, artillery and the navy. Written already unmeasured)))

            The advantage in aviation is the "Cactus", regularly sprinkled with shells from Japanese ships?
            And the advantage in the fleet is the only combat-ready AB for the entire Pacific Ocean from September to December 1942? For "Lady Sarah" and "Big E" went into repair in early September ("Sarah" - until the end of November, Big E - until mid-October), and in mid-September "Wasp" was lost. And only the Hornet remained with the Yankees. In mid-October, "Big E" came out of repair, and 2 AB temporarily appeared on the theater .... but on October 26, during the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands, the "Hornet" was sunk, and "Big E" was once again damaged. And until December 13, the damaged Enterprise in one face portrayed the American carrier power - for the Lady Sarah continued to be repaired even after arriving at the theater.

            The situation with Nimitz's AB was so bad that in December 1942 it was necessary to temporarily take the "Victories" from the limes.
            1. 0
              12 July 2023 23: 15
              And how much at that time did the Japanese have in the ranks of aircraft carriers, with regular air groups?
              1. 0
                13 July 2023 11: 13
                Quote: TermNachTER
                And how much at that time did the Japanese have in the ranks of aircraft carriers, with regular air groups?

                Two heavy "cranes" from the pre-war 5th DAV - they survived right up to the Philippines.
                Plus the pre-war "Ryujo" (the Yankees still drowned it in August 1942) and the "alterations" - "Junyo" and "Zuiho". And that's just the ones that fought.

                And with the air groups, the Japanese after Midway had one problem - they did not have enough decks. For most of the crew members of the 1st and 2nd DAV aircraft were saved.
                As a result, aircraft carriers were forced to fly from coastal airfields.
    2. 0
      11 July 2023 20: 57
      Quote: Alexey RA
      After the landing of the army
      If they are going to take the army to the islands, then it is not clear why the heavy marines are being turned into light ones ...
      Yes, light marines are highly mobile, cheap (from artillery - only mortars, from equipment - amphibians (well-floating armored personnel carriers), the rest - machine guns, machine guns and grenades), they can be landed from UDC without approaching the coast. For heavy marines and self-propelled guns, and tanks, and air defense systems, it is harder to carry, disembark, supply. But their capabilities are incomparable. What is the point of spoiling what is, and then taking the army to the islands is not clear to me. How incomprehensible is how they were going to fight without tanks after a nuclear strike on them (and it will be, of course).
  7. -2
    11 July 2023 13: 24
    Russia, as always, goes its own way, turning the landing and special forces into infantry, refusing to conduct landing operations, bringing the idea "saving the life of a soldier is the main task on the battlefield" to the absolute. Well, everyone decides for himself. For some reason, when I entered a military school, I considered the main task of the Armed Forces to be the defense of the country and victory over the enemy, and a high salary in peacetime is paid to the military for his readiness to die in the war.
  8. -1
    11 July 2023 13: 59
    Some too radical reduction is described here: from one three-regiment and two two-regiment divisions to three lone regiments without adult rattles. And if you consider that all this has to fight with a real army like the Chinese, which will have heavy equipment, aircraft, and artillery of three-digit calibers, then the alignment for the updated ILC looks somehow sad.
    1. -2
      11 July 2023 14: 15
      And our complete rejection of landing operations in principle and the idea of ​​​​turning the landing into infantry on super-heavy armored vehicles does not look so radical to you?
      1. 0
        11 July 2023 15: 05
        In the state of the Soviet MP brigade, there was a tank battalion and an artillery battalion, howitzers + MLRS. Was it bad?
        1. -1
          11 July 2023 22: 19
          And I know because as the first year I studied the tactics of amphibious assaults. Only if we are already yelling from all angles about the impossibility of conducting, in modern conditions, landing operations as doomed to a deliberate failure. On the face of a complete contradiction between the approaches of the states really at war (Russia) and indulging (USA, China). And the further the SVO goes, the more the approach to reforming the MP and the possibility of its application in the conditions of the dominance of means of destruction diverge.
    2. +1
      11 July 2023 16: 22
      Quote from moonlight
      And if you consider that all this has to fight with a real army like the Chinese, which will have heavy equipment, aircraft, and artillery of three-digit calibers, then the alignment for the updated ILC looks somehow sad.

      The fact of the matter is that the new ILC should not fight with a foreign army. The task of the ILC is to isolate China from the sea and help the fleet in its actions off the coast of China. Moreover, the ILC will operate on the islands, where the enemy simply will not be able to deploy large forces.
      And let the Air Force and the US Army deal with the army of the enemy.
      1. +1
        11 July 2023 16: 47
        In this case, I have little idea what the attacking side is counting on, using not specialized formations for landing, but something else. The usual light brigade, I think, will simply die under the caterpillars of tanks, and the mechanized one on the Bradley still needs to somehow manage to unload in an unprepared place for this, and even under enemy counterattacks.
        1. 0
          11 July 2023 17: 53
          And where on a bunch of small islands, for example, the Spartly archipelago, will Chinese tanks come in commercial quantities on each island? They still need to be delivered. This is where the rivalry / race to capture and control the islands begins. A sort of tactical game Risk
          1. +1
            11 July 2023 18: 38
            I doubt that the capture of several islands is the ceiling above which the armed forces of a country like the United States should not try to jump at all. And is it then possible to seriously oppose China without creating a threat, for example, to the island of Hainan, where there is enough space, and which the Chinese hardly have any desire to surrender.
          2. -1
            11 July 2023 22: 26
            Playing the game, but how can the capture of small islands isolate China or slow down its fleet in the event of a full-scale conflict? In the limited, it can still be like a kind of demonstration of intentions. With a high degree of probability, a repetition of the battle for the islands as in World War II will not happen.
  9. +7
    11 July 2023 16: 02
    Here is the speed
    The author of the reform has already served 5 years in office and resigned)))
    The first srach in the Amer Internet on this topic was 5-6 years ago.
    There have already been articles on VO for a long time.
    No, repetition is not a sin, but why do it with the appearance of a discoverer?

    For understanding:
    2020: https://vz.ru/world/2020/4/6/1032722.html
    2020: https://topwar.ru/169972-shag-v-neizvestnost-ili-kakim-budet-buduschee-u-amerikanskih-marines.html
    2021: https://vz.ru/world/2021/4/22/1095899.html

    This is "news" with a long beard.
    1. 0
      12 July 2023 04: 38
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      This is "news" with a long beard.

      What do you want from the "author" who a day before the "goodwill gesture" claimed that Kherson is part of Russia forever?
      1. 0
        12 July 2023 23: 17
        Kherson is separated from Russia by a couple of kilometers and some difficulties at the moment. But, everything can change.
  10. 0
    21 September 2023 05: 42
    The USMC is like a Guinea Pig. Not a pig or a guinea pig. This is a small army, the main advantage of which is that in order to use it (unlike the army and navy), the president does not need to receive approval from the Senate.
    Therefore, the conclusion is: who would refuse such a convenient tool?
  11. 0
    5 October 2023 08: 59
    The KMP has four divisions. About three years ago it was three. What shelves?!