Boats that were needed yesterday

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Boats that were needed yesterday

After all, we are born with our own pride. And what was once formulated by the people in the form of proverbs and sayings really exists. “Until the thunder breaks out, the peasant will not cross himself” - our everything. The proverb is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. What can you do, that's how we are - "long-harnessing".

Sorry for such a somewhat abstract beginning of the material. To be honest, I want to laugh out of anger at myself. From our slowness and our maybe. I want to speak on the issue, which I mentioned back when we left Kherson and began to build defenses on the left bank. About the same boats and boats that almost everyone writes about today.



Even then, our units were faced with the fact that in the Dnieper-Bug Estuary we practically lost the opportunity to actively work on the islands and were forced to conduct mostly defensive operations. Our subdivisions trained Ukrainians, who landed on our shore on a permanent basis, according to the DRG.

The superiority of the Ukrainian Navy was overwhelming even then. And no matter how proud we are of the professionalism of our gunners and the heroism of our fighters who destroy the landing groups, it is quite difficult to eliminate high-speed American boats and high-speed boats, even those in direct line of sight. The enemy felt like a king in such a situation.

In the end, on several islands even permanent bases of Ukrainian intelligence appeared, the supply of which was organized quite well. Imagine the possibilities of such an NP, which is actually on the line of our defense. We see everything, we know everything. Of course, they were destroyed, but with what tension. The terrain allows you to hide the OP in such a way that it is difficult to notice it even for a copter.

And for our reconnaissance, sorties to a foreign coast were a real feat. Crossing in conditions when your watercraft is inferior to enemy boats in all respects is a real feat. Chances are minimal. But we went for it simply because without knowing what the enemy is planning to fight, it is almost futile.

The groups constantly came under fire from the right bank. Worked against them Drones. The boats would be of great help to our reconnaissance. But ... thunder did not strike! So the commander of a unit or subunit, which was defending some section of the Dnieper bank, was sitting and solving a very serious, one might say, strategic task. Where to get boats or boats - at least for reconnaissance!

They took from the local population everything that would not sink, at least during the crossing. Old "Kazankas" with broken-down Soviet "Whirlwinds" a hundred times repaired, rowing boats and other things that have been preserved in poor villages. Alas, the locals did not have sea yachts and modern boats. And the enemy did not yawn during the retreat, he collected everything that was of at least some value.

But be that as it may, the fighters have worked and are working with what is available. Fortunately, the reservoir still made it possible to notice and stop the sorties of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in time. Even the fastest boat could not get to our shore unnoticed.

Everything changed after the dam was blown up and water was released from the reservoir. Unfortunately, things have not changed in our favor.

Now the landing of sufficiently serious enemy units has become possible. And taking into account the peculiarities of the terrain, it became possible to form even small bridgeheads on our coast. An example of a bridgehead at the Antonovsky Bridge proved this. We knock out the enemy's manpower, and the enemy brings reinforcements at night, and in the morning all this burden is repeated again.

The topic is archival, but it seems that it is still misunderstood by many


For several days now, military correspondents have been trying to raise the topic of boats for our army on the Internet. But, judging by the response, so far to no avail. “The issue is being considered by the governor...”, “everyone understands the importance”... And? But there are boats! You don't even need to buy or build them. And there are many! And I'm sure they know about it at the top!

I will quote the representative of the Popular Front Sergei Koshkarev. In these words, perhaps, is the main thing that needs to be done right now:

“There is a great need for boats, for motors, these can be large boats for transporting personnel, and boats with a metal bottom and rubber sides to evacuate personnel. In addition, jet skis showed themselves very well in these conditions, the guys can create maneuverable groups, go on reconnaissance and work out certain tasks.”

Yes, these are dreams. Jet skis, landing boats, rescue boats...

Obviously it costs a lot of money. It is only later, when, for example, the president speaks out on this issue, it suddenly turns out that the required amount is not at all a burden for the state. In the meantime - approvals, justifications, production, and so on. But boats are needed yesterday ...

We need any boats! Not even armored, but fast. And definitely roomy. Ideally with the option of installing at least one machine gun. We need large, with the possibility of crossing the entire RDG at once or a squad of fighters, high-speed rigid-hull boats. We need small, 2-4-seater…

I understand that someone will now say about the need for normal river armored boats. Of course, such boats are needed. But how long will it take to produce them? Yes, and specific local conditions must be taken into account.

After the descent of the reservoir, the Dnieper turned into a fairly shallow river, where it would be quite difficult for heavy armored boats to operate. Artillerymen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine also know how to shoot accurately. And the enemy side also has enough anti-tank weapons. So, in such conditions, heavy, low-maneuverable boats, compared to light, unarmored or lightly armored boats, are much less effective.

The excitement after the first publications has already passed. And I'm afraid that over time, and during the war, time flies much faster than in civilian life, this problem will be overwritten by others, no less important. Exactly what happened a year ago will happen. “Well, they manage somehow, which means that the problem is not so important if the unit commander can solve it.”

In addition, as I have repeatedly written, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is the Kherson direction that becomes the most important. At the same time, one should not forget about the Zaporozhye NPP, about which there are so many rumors now in social networks. And all this is in danger today.

Hence the “accident” of solving the problem of boats.

There are boats, but other departments


It is somehow unclear why, but today the topic of poaching boats and boats, which are seized by fish protection in some regions, is being promoted. As if this is the source from which you can supply the river flotilla Russian fleet on the Dnieper. I have no doubt that among the confiscated items there are worthy specimens that must be transferred to the RF Ministry of Defense. But this is still not the main source of possible income.

Even in the Defense Ministry itself, more precisely, in the Russian Navy, there are quite a few boats that, in conditions of shortage, can be transferred to the needs of the Northern Military District. Including those that are laid up due to the development of a motor resource. After all, these are quite serviceable, working boats. I am sure that if you search well in all fleets, there will be enough such boats.

And how many boats decommissioned for the same reason does the Coast Guard of the FSB of Russia have? I think that only from these decommissioned, but working, in good condition, boats can the Dnieper flotilla be formed. These boats are almost ideal for the current situation, but ... They belong to another department, and problems may arise with their transfer without the intervention of the Commander-in-Chief.

But the same, no longer needed by the owners themselves, but other departments have working boats. At the same Rosgvardia and the Ministry of Emergency Situations. You just need to “scrub” inside these departments and find something that is suitable for further use. And these departments themselves should look for it. Under the personal responsibility of the leaders!

Well, why is this happening? Many people know about what I wrote above, yes, probably everyone. Everyone except those to whom we turn. Red tape today is worth many lives. The lives of our soldiers and officers. Or let them be laid up, "to be"?

I have already written above that people can help in some way. Moreover, I already know some bloggers who have announced a collection for boats and boats. And for some reason, I am sure that boats from the civilian market, retrofitted by skilled volunteers, will arrive in units faster than those that I have already described above. I'll be really happy if I'm wrong...

Enough already "to harness for a long time." It's time to go fast. Well, it's not such a difficult problem. During the time of the SVO, the leadership of the Moscow Region solved problems even more difficult. You just need to gather ministers from departments that have the necessary boats, and let them agree “in a friendly way”. And the Commander-in-Chief will control.

Very briefly about the conclusions


It makes no sense to write about some global conclusions. There is a problem, there are options for solving it, and there are those who can, and if simply humanly, are obliged, to solve it! It is clear that later, or maybe even now, there will be detailed clashes with those who have committed negligence in the performance of their duties. But punishing the guilty will not restore the lives of the fallen soldiers.

The past months of the war have taught us simple and long-known truths. You can't lie to yourself. You can not talk the problem on the principle of "it will resolve itself." The rear must work in the same way as the front works. Fast, efficient and consistent. Slackness and embellishment of the situation leads to a deterioration of the situation.

We need boats. And they will be needed during the liberation of other regions. And if so, then there should be boats! As many as commanders ask. The kind that commanders ask for. Only in this case, both there, on the LBS, and here, in the rear, it will be possible to talk about a duty fulfilled ...

We must “harness quickly” here, so that the fighters there, on the front line, “drive quickly” ...
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  1. +11
    6 July 2023 04: 21
    "6 manufacturing enterprises are ready to supply such boats in tens and hundreds .. At a discount, or completely free. There would be a request" ... Message from Strelkov
    1. -5
      6 July 2023 05: 43
      Recently, an fpv drone flew by a boat of khinzirs on the wings of jihad near the Antonovsky bridge. With the permission of Allah, the drone flew into the boat and sent the Khinzirs to Jahannam.
      1. +3
        6 July 2023 11: 54
        what kind of vile language do you have, you can’t write normally in Russian ????
        1. 0
          6 July 2023 21: 32
          There is no need to generalize and speak for our people, all these problems have a name and surname, most of them are widely known, one flashes on TV for 30 years.
          These boats were needed last year and not separate boats, but the Dnieper flotilla, they should have created it and saturated it with the necessary boats at the planning stage of the NWO, but the untrained, as always, did nothing and did not bear any responsibility, and since there is no punishment, there will be no actions.
          This problem is organizational and quickly solved, it is enough to order all departments to transfer the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of boats in the required quantity from the Coast Guard, the Navy, the Russian Guard, as well as the purchase of five hundred outboard motors in the UAE and boats in the same place and in China, cases for a couple of months maximum .
          As for armored boats, a powerful engine with a water jet and a competent hull design will make the armored boat fast enough and able to move through shallow water. Such armored boats, armed with 30 mm automatic guns, can change everything in the war on the Dnieper very quickly.
          1. -2
            11 July 2023 22: 44
            What armored boats? Have you forgotten how, at the initial stage of the NMD near Zmeinoye, the Ukrainians smashed our armored group on high-speed armored boats from elementary ATGMs? It was after this that everyone unanimously declared that the age of river fleets had passed. Moreover, I can imagine what a howl will rise here if we change places with the Ukrainians and they will already start drowning our reconnaissance groups on boats in batches. I understand that the habit of looking for the guilty is our everything, but we must have edges. All dots above and are already separated.
            1. 0
              11 July 2023 23: 20
              I believe that armored boats on the Dnieper are really a target. But aluminum boats with a lot of watertight compartments and a good motor - this is really an extremely necessary thing. But, with our system of state defense orders, with extremely low interaction between the rear and the front, this is very difficult.
    2. -5
      6 July 2023 15: 43
      you need to take into account the realities of SVO,
      now helicopters do an excellent job of controlling the Dnieper
    3. +2
      6 July 2023 20: 38
      This is some kind of nonsense!
      How can an enterprise manufacture a product and transfer it free of charge in commercial quantities?!..
      To do this, EVERYONE must provide absolutely EVERYTHING for free.
      Its employees must work for free.
      And for some reason no one will pay for utilities and groceries in the store for free.
      Miracles however hi
  2. +9
    6 July 2023 04: 28
    It makes no sense to write about some global conclusions. There is a problem, there are options for solving it, and there are those who can, and if simply humanly, are obliged, to solve it!


    These conclusions are obvious and they are very sad. Since 2014, it has been clear where things are heading. But the rich have a fleet of yachts the size of a battleship.
    The role of boats on the Volga in that war is described in a book based on memoirs.
    Pershanin Vladimir "Armored boats of Stalingrad. Volga on fire".

    The found boat was restored.
    https://www.1tv.ru/news/2020-06-20/388064-v_volgograde_v_tochnosti_vosstanovlen_bronekater_zatonuvshiy_v_gody_velikoy_otechestvennoy_voyny

    Such boats would be completely out of place now.
  3. -5
    6 July 2023 05: 24
    I don't understand why everyone is so excited about the lack of boats? What actions can be taken with many boats? Organize patrols, but then everything that can fly will fly into the boats from the right bank. The landing of the DRG-in the presence of thermal imagers in the enemy is a difficult task. In the conditions of the shallowed Dnieper, water jet engines on boats or hovercraft are needed, ordinary boats will be constrained in maneuvering. The destruction of artillery, armored vehicles, electronic warfare and RTR on the right bank of the Dnieper is the main task. Without means of support, all landings of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the left bank are doomed.
    1. +8
      6 July 2023 06: 18
      Why is the author "excited?" Obviously, he was “excited” when he saw a video circulating on the Internet (Strelkov explains it on his channel), on which very, very unpleasant events happen to our fighters when they unsuccessfully try to start a motor that has failed at the most inopportune time, " left boat... sad
      1. +2
        6 July 2023 11: 04
        Why didn't the author wonder what task the military personnel needed a boat with an old whirlwind for? What were they going to do? It is obvious that in the presence of UAVs, as well as means of observation and destruction, the enemy has the ability to hit any watercraft.
      2. +1
        6 July 2023 11: 28
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Obviously, he was "excited" when he saw a video walking on an Internet

        Конечно.
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        some kind of "left" boat ....

        Not some kind, but an old, good "winged cauldron" which is probably 30-40 years old.
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        when they unsuccessfully try to start, the engine failed at the most inopportune time

        The legendary "bucket of bolts" "Whirlwind-30". In the north, with a partner in the spring, they prepared 3 pieces for water. As a result, one worker was collected from three for the season.
      3. -2
        11 July 2023 22: 51
        So if there are boats, then there will be dozens of such videos. The author rushes about like a weather vane, fueling the hype. Already last year, armored boats, and boats, and forcing rivers with floating equipment, and airborne landings took place. The conclusions are drawn and they are unambiguous. We want to scold the government, then as much as you like. Otherwise, we must admit that the conclusions are erroneous and we just need to learn to fight with the inevitable losses. Like in WWII.
    2. 0
      7 July 2023 00: 37
      You wrote some nonsense. See how normal boats are used by both ours and Ukrainians. Such high-speed means of delivery and evacuation are simply vital.
      1. -2
        11 July 2023 22: 54
        Why are they needed? Many Ukrainians fought with them? What did they use them for and how did the application end? The next execution of the next landing? We will also apply? Drop a couple hundred Marines one way?
  4. KCA
    -11
    6 July 2023 05: 26
    What kind of rut is the new one blowing up? No boats? Is it difficult to accept the idea that they were not needed at all, or was it ordered from the other side? If tomorrow the Papuans start storming the Crimea from air mattresses, you will also begin to yell, how is it that there are no air mattresses in the RF Armed Forces, only volunteers are saving Rossiyushka? What boats? To transport an 82mm mortar with ammunition from coast to coast and calculation, is this just a mortal threat to our troops? Let us land troops on the right bank, but why? Put a tick, like we're advancing? Okhly step on a rake, get hit in the forehead, move away and attack again, well, it’s their business, they have the 100500th wave of graves, and we stand quietly, cracking nuts. If you really need it, millions of boats and boats from the White Sea, the Baltic, the Volga, the Don, the Caspian will quickly appear in the NWO zone, but is it necessary, or should you just throw gnome on the ventilator?
    1. AAK
      +9
      6 July 2023 06: 01
      Another article from the series "a little carnation in the ass of stupid command and irresponsible leadership" .... oh, where ours did not disappear! Ours, however, disappeared everywhere ... and it’s not just the boats, they are needed, but the number and type are determined by the situation in different parts of the NWO, well, I completely agree with the author, trash from the “departments” will come to the NWO much, much later how the volunteers will buy the necessary things for our money ... now the tops prefer to place an order in search of evidence of a "partner's hand" in the Prigozhin case ....
    2. KCA
      -7
      6 July 2023 08: 53
      To his comment about the boats, the father once in a conversation told the huntsman that the boat was leaking and the transom was hanging out, you had to put screws instead of rivets, two weeks later he had four cauldrons, not new ones, of course, but just like that, out of friendship, let alone there will be boats for the troops, the main thing is not to announce a public fundraiser, they will simply plunder
  5. +16
    6 July 2023 05: 46
    As usual, anyone is to blame in Putin's Russia: Lenins, Pechenegs, Polovtsy, now here are the wrong military correspondents ... just not plywood clowns, who, instead of preparing for a real war, which became clear, if not from 2008 (when they tried Russia with the help of an outright freak ), so since 2014, for sure ... but instead of doing as usual in the last 23 years, tales of jerks, breakthroughs, parades, biathlons and from an exhibition with unparalleled ... and ordinary guys have to pay for this ...
    1. 0
      6 July 2023 06: 22
      Quote: Nikolay310
      now here are the wrong military officers ...

      Military officers with advertising are worse than TsIPSo.

      According to Yura Suma, the 5th brigade (Natsik, Aidar) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine went over to our side and was brought in as a reserve. Sladkov from a hangover announced the capture of Kleshcheevka, and Marsupial developed the theme.

      1. +4
        6 July 2023 06: 38
        Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
        Military officers with advertising are worse than TsIPSo.

        Your tsipsoshny rut is fed up. Change your methodology...
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  6. +11
    6 July 2023 05: 54
    The enemy somehow lands his DRGs on the left bank. So, he uses boats (well, they don’t sail on inflatable boats). One could guess that since the mouth of the Dnieper is full of islands, cutters and boats will be needed. It's not Newton's binomial! It was the 17th month of NWO ...
    1. -2
      11 July 2023 22: 59
      Planted, we burn them. Would you like to do the same? And do not feel sorry for the Russian paratroopers, whom you turn into suicide bombers? Enough with your tongues already. In general, VO should start a forum with a flood. That's where the place is.
  7. +3
    6 July 2023 06: 03
    The point in the author's publication - about the presence of a lot of equipment that has exhausted its resource on the balance sheet of organizations - speaks of the author's complete ignorance of the topic. All equipment that has "run out of resources" quickly finds its new owners, first of all, the one that is in working order. In this regard, I have another proposal, to withdraw in favor of the SVO numerous water equipment, which is located in the Ministry of Emergency Situations and various Water Inspections and the GIMS. The same police and the National Guard also have water equipment. All you need is a special order from the Kremlin. The second option is to once again involve volunteer organizations and foundations. They are not used to it.
    1. +4
      6 July 2023 11: 35
      Quote from Dekimen
      All equipment that has "run out of resources" quickly finds its new owners, first of all, the one that is in working condition.

      The author's confidence about "decommissioned equipment warehouses" smiled at the same wassat.
      There, if anything lies, then they won’t even accept it at the scrap collection point laughing. Everything valuable has long been attached to the right people for a "small penny".
    2. +4
      6 July 2023 11: 51
      Quote from Dekimen
      water equipment, which is located in the Ministry of Emergency Situations

      Yeah. And then we'll be catching dozens of corpses in the middle of the bathing season. And in the spring toil about how to save people during floods. And listen to the howl "again there are no boats." There is a fleet - the fleet has boats. And then there are "private offices" (ala "reserve"), which are "buying up" for a pittance - they need to be scoured. There is a confiscation. There are manufacturers. How many of these boats do you need? In reality, IMHO, no more than 50, which means it is possible and necessary to assemble a "flotilla" from confiscated property seized from embezzlers, exhibition single and urgently made boats.
  8. +4
    6 July 2023 06: 41
    Obviously, there must be planning for the conduct of hostilities. Who is doing this? And there should be ensuring the conduct of hostilities .. Who is doing this? Maybe Wagner was not so wrong with his march of justice? "They don't change horses at the crossing" But they whip them mercilessly with a whip .... And they harness new ones ......
    1. +1
      6 July 2023 08: 19
      Changed, how. Apraksin, who is there after him, Barclay .... there are plenty of examples. Apraksin, by the way, ended badly. Frightened grandfather during interrogations. Women know how to get results from men, and what to do when nothing helps anymore :-P
  9. +7
    6 July 2023 07: 14
    I'll tell you a story from my life. We stood for a long time in one very hot country and my friend decided to get a boat with a motor from the property of the landing platoon, which we received in the state in the glorious city of Baltiysk. The late 80s was the time. They got the boat, inflated it, but without a motor it was completely boring. We get glorious motors "Moskva", in conservation. Retro variant, on the nameplates of the date of manufacture: 1952, 1953 and 1954. None of the motors are not working. I managed to assemble one of the three, it even gave out 7,5 km / h on a landing boat. Here is such an option "farewell, Motherland." And right there in the bay there is a rescue tug, it has a roomy inflatable and under the Whirlwind the men from the tug rush on it, as if on a spurred one.
    Why am I climbing with my bikes? Moreover, the problem of small watercraft among the military is very old and unsolvable. Are there boats and motors in the purchase register? Have the requirements been developed and the regulation on small craft in the Armed Forces adopted: who buys, who is responsible, who receives, uses, stores? How will it grow together with use in peacetime, be consistent with the general movement on the GDP (inland waterways). Is there an article in the military budget for these purchases, an order to the rear service, a justification with a calculation of the number of personnel, transport, etc. Because if you think STATELY, then you need to organize a SYSTEM. Yes, by bureaucratic methods, because other methods are impossible in the state system and it does not turn around quickly. And after the adoption of such a package of documents, it will be possible to make life easier for the fighters, and most importantly, to expand the worldview of the chiefs. We are a land power to the core! We don’t even have moorings for boats and boats in the cities. Look at Peter, at Rybinsk, Yaroslavl. There used to be boat stations.
    1. +4
      6 July 2023 08: 22
      It seems that after the rearmament of the entire army on the BTR-60 and BMP-1 (and the clouds of the remaining BTR-50s), the marshals and generals considered the problem of forcing water barriers basically solved. The sappers had some boats of their own.
      1. +8
        6 July 2023 08: 59
        Quote: Dimax-Nemo
        It seems that after the rearmament of the entire army on the BTR-60 and BMP-1 (and the clouds of the remaining BTR-50s), the marshals and generals considered the problem of forcing water barriers basically solved. The sappers had some boats of their own.

        Agree, those generals who went through the great war had their own reasons. And then they fought in regiments and divisions, and not in small drgs, as they do now.
        1. +1
          6 July 2023 15: 38
          Let's just say that the Soviet doctrine of "standing on the Dnieper" definitely did not fit, with the need to act on the river, and not force it. In addition, in their time it was still possible to scrape together armored boats 191, even some 1124 and 1125 of the border guards survived until the 70s. A new "miracle" was also built - project 1204.
          1. -1
            6 July 2023 18: 14
            Well, it’s worth starting with the fact that the Kherson maneuvers somehow do not fit into the Soviet doctrine and maneuvers. How does it turn out that the need for boats, boats and catamarans is a consequence, or there is a consequence of a maneuver. That's who and when the generals thought that boats would be needed from maneuvering like that.
        2. -2
          11 July 2023 23: 09
          Agree that those generals carried out offensive operations with no hesitation, throwing divisions into battle and they were not kicked for losses. Everyone knew that there is no war without losses. And now the question is what is more terrible for the population than the loss of 10000 now during an offensive operation or for a long time, but storming one village. I will answer - the second. We have different priorities with them. They have a victory, and we have the minimization of losses to form a good agenda. Here is just one question. And how are we going to proceed?
      2. -1
        11 July 2023 23: 11
        What is your solution to this problem? Just wondering.
    2. +3
      6 July 2023 08: 29
      Retro variant, manufacturing date on nameplates: 1952, 1953 and 1954.
      As far as I remember, they have 10 hp. Already in the early 60s, in Orenburg in the Urals, they were hopeless junk compared to the 25-strong Whirlwinds.
      1. +5
        6 July 2023 09: 01
        Quote: Aviator_
        Already in the early 60s, in Orenburg in the Urals, they were hopeless junk compared to the 25-strong Whirlwinds

        At the root, as they say, see. No motor for landing. One was a plus then: thanks to that boat and the motor, I saw the cuttlefish alive))
        1. Aag
          +1
          6 July 2023 16: 06
          Quote: Galleon
          Quote: Aviator_
          Already in the early 60s, in Orenburg in the Urals, they were hopeless junk compared to the 25-strong Whirlwinds

          At the root, as they say, see. No motor for landing. One was a plus then: thanks to that boat and the motor, I saw the cuttlefish alive))

          As far as I know, the SA used the Neptunes. Not as fast as the "Whirlwinds", but not as "voiced", and with more traction on the mooring lines (selection of the pitch and diameter of the propeller, of course, matters).
      2. +1
        6 July 2023 11: 44
        Quote: Aviator_
        As far as I remember, they have 10 hp.

        I don’t know what year we had, but the 25th hi
        Quote: Aviator_
        In the Urals, they were hopeless junk compared to the 25-strong Whirlwinds.

        And creepy in every way.hi
      3. Aag
        +1
        6 July 2023 16: 11
        Quote: Aviator_
        Retro variant, manufacturing date on nameplates: 1952, 1953 and 1954.
        As far as I remember, they have 10 hp. Already in the early 60s, in Orenburg in the Urals, they were hopeless junk compared to the 25-strong Whirlwinds.

        "Moscow", "Moscow-M" -10 l. With. With round cap.
        "Moscow-12,5", with an angular...
        There were 25, and 30 strong ...
        1. 0
          6 July 2023 18: 33
          "Moscow", "Moscow-M" -10 l. With. With round cap.
          Yes, with white round. And "Whirlwind" - gray angular.
          1. Aag
            0
            6 July 2023 19: 11
            Quote: Aviator_
            "Moscow", "Moscow-M" -10 l. With. With round cap.
            Yes, with white round. And "Whirlwind" - gray angular.

            There was a "Whirlwind" (20 hp), "Whirlwind-M" (25 hp) - with rounded caps, white and gray. "Whirlwind-30" (respectively -30 hp) had a white (!) "two-tier angular cap.
            I didn't come across any others. hi
    3. mz
      +2
      6 July 2023 10: 58
      Quote: Galleon
      We get glorious motors "Moskva", in conservation. Retro variant, production date on nameplates: 1952, 1953 and 1954

      PLM "Moscow" in various modifications was produced from 1955 to 1972. You are confusing something ...
    4. +1
      6 July 2023 11: 42
      Quote: Galleon
      We get glorious motors "Moskva", in conservation. Retro variant, manufacturing date on nameplates: 1952, 1953 and 1954.

      We had one. They even tried to restore it in 2002. A terrible thing in a disassembled state, one petal carburetor is worth something! When you look, you want to shoot yourself laughing. By weight, like one and a half "Whirlwind", you load it on your shoulder and go nuts). It didn’t work out any shorter for us with the restoration, the smoke was let out, but we didn’t go.
      1. Aag
        0
        6 July 2023 16: 28
        "... It didn't work out any shorter for us with the restoration, the smoke was let out, but we didn't go ...".
        My friend managed to restore two out of three (ten strong ones). Also Olkhon Island on the rowing "Pella" with his family to get around under one of these motors. "Pella" loaded
        to such an extent at the time of the start that we had to lash a tarpaulin "sausage" with 1,5-liter PET bottles to the fender.
        1. 0
          6 July 2023 16: 40
          Quote: AAG
          Also Olkhon Island on the rowing "Pella" with his family to get around under one of these motors. "Pella" loaded
          to such an extent at the time of the start that we had to lash a tarpaulin "sausage" with 1,5-liter PET bottles to the fender.

          Your comrade is risky, but ... not very smart. Can not be so request
          1. Aag
            +2
            6 July 2023 17: 51
            Quote: Adrey
            Quote: AAG
            Also Olkhon Island on the rowing "Pella" with his family to get around under one of these motors. "Pella" loaded
            to such an extent at the time of the start that we had to lash a tarpaulin "sausage" with 1,5-liter PET bottles to the fender.

            Your comrade is risky, but ... not very smart. Can not be so request

            He has such a lifestyle. He was ... Having worked as a driver all his life without accident (from BELAZ to Oka), he died from an oncoming drunk drug addict ...
            ... Baikal was scribbled on various inflatables, crossed both by car and by bicycle ...
            1. 0
              6 July 2023 19: 21
              Quote: AAG
              He has such a lifestyle. Was...

              I had to do everything in the forest and on the river. Life has quickly taught that there, the greatest danger to you and those around you, is precisely YOUR stupidity hi
  10. -5
    6 July 2023 08: 17
    Explain for those who are not in the tank. Traditionally, the Soviet-Russian army has armored vehicles that swim quite well. So good that you can jump into the water from the recreation center and swim to the shore by sea after all. These are BTR-70/80/82, BMP-3. I suspect that BMD swim just as well. Apparently, therefore, in the Soviet Army, if you do not take the engineering units, there was nothing but the NL. Need to land on the other side? So what's the problem if all the "armor" of the infantry floats? Or is only the marines able to "swim" on it?

    Of course, this is not a replacement for boats. But. And what will any unarmored boat, even with a machine gun, do when it encounters such an armored "pontoon"? Just run away if you can. From an automatic gun and even KVPT in the open, you can’t really run. Swimming slowly? As the Americans said about their "chests" - we are not going to run from anyone.

    Sea boats on the shallowed Dnieper will be "not at ease." They have other requirements. On the river, specialized equipment is needed, river equipment.
    1. +8
      6 July 2023 11: 21
      Quote: Dimax-Nemo
      So what's the problem if all the "armor" of the infantry floats? Or is only the marines able to "swim" on it?

      The problem is that this armor does not "float", but has the ability to swim across water obstacles. That is, to be in the water for a short time, moving at a speed comparable to the speed of the current.
      Quote: Dimax-Nemo
      Of course, this is not a replacement for boats. But. And what will any unarmored boat, even with a machine gun, do when it encounters such an armored "pontoon"?

      The question is different - what will at least armored, at least unarmored boats do when they meet an ATGM crew sitting on the shore? Or with a kamikaze UAV?
      And the second question is where to base these boats? And how soon will the same UAV or RS package fly to their base, tied to the river bank and land road?
      1. 0
        6 July 2023 15: 33
        Well, like a score of 3 for the BMP-3. Not a river anymore. Against the fast current - they can’t of course. But you have to swim to the island.

        ATGMs, I suspect, will also pass over boats, small ones, at least, and over floating armor. Base ... heh, an interesting question. They'll cover it right there.
        1. +2
          6 July 2023 16: 54
          Quote: Dimax-Nemo
          Well, like a score of 3 for the BMP-3. Not a river anymore. Against the fast current - they can’t of course. But you have to swim to the island.

          To finish. At a speed of 6-8 km / h.
          Even mortars can hit such a target.
          Quote: Dimax-Nemo
          Base ... heh, an interesting question. They'll cover it right there.

          Well, yes. Boats are rigidly tied to the river, and supplies are tied to the roads. So it is only a matter of time to calculate the place where they will converge.
          1. 0
            7 July 2023 10: 34
            You probably know better, but in the old days, firing mortars, even coastal ones, at moving ships was a rather useless exercise. The 82-mm mortar, however, is quick-firing compared to those mortars. The boat will definitely not shine if there is something with an automatic gun on the shore. Yes, and the KPVT will not be very good.
            1. 0
              7 July 2023 10: 41
              Quote: Dimax-Nemo
              You probably know better, but in the old days, firing mortars, even coastal ones, at moving ships was a rather useless exercise.

              8 kilometers per hour. It's a little over 4 knots. This is not a moving ship, but practically stationary. smile And not very maneuverable.
              Actually, it was precisely for low-speed and constrained in maneuvering targets that mortars remained in coastal defense until the Second World War.
    2. -2
      11 July 2023 23: 24
      Well, in general, the use of floating equipment had other goals and special tactics. All this was done en masse and with massive fire cover. The fact that our commanders do not know how to do this is another question. In general, there were still a lot of self-propelled pantones. Watch films about crossing the Dnieper in the Second World War, everything is shown there. Just don't forget the collateral damage. The abandonment of the DRG as it is now is just another topic.
  11. +3
    6 July 2023 09: 28
    A problem that appeared out of nowhere

    The problem arose because of the generals, whose brains have nowhere to come from ...
  12. +4
    6 July 2023 10: 29
    Quote: Mitrich73
    I don't understand why everyone is so excited about the lack of boats? What actions can be taken with many boats? Organize patrols, but then everything that can fly will fly into the boats from the right bank

    Having a lot of boats, boats, armored boats, landing barges and so on, you can:
    1. They will not leave Kherson to the enemy, but will supply the troops defending Kherson, as they did not leave Stalingrad at one time, but defended and supplied through the Volga.
    2. Destroy enemy watercraft.
    3. They will suppress the firepower of the enemy on his shore and from the air with the fire of boats and their own shore. An armored boat is no worse than a tank that is capable of moving on water.
    4. They land small, medium and large landings on the enemy coast, provide them with fire support and supplies.
    5. Directs crossings and protect them.
    6. Mine and clear the river.
    In place of one large ship that sits in the port is much better than one river flotilla on the Dnieper.
    1. -2
      11 July 2023 23: 28
      You've seen enough of this. To begin with, climb into the net and see why they fought so hard for Stalingrad, what were our losses, and then evaluate what for we should do this with Kherson. Everything else is total nonsense.
  13. +4
    6 July 2023 11: 14
    Even in the Defense Ministry itself, more precisely, in the Russian Navy, there are quite a few boats that, in conditions of shortage, can be transferred to the needs of the Northern Military District. Including those that are laid up due to the development of a motor resource. After all, these are quite serviceable, working boats.

    Serviceable boats with exhausted motor resources? belay
    That is, the author proposes to work in the enemy's fire zone on boats, which at any moment can simply stand up due to engine failure. Or did he forget - from which video they started to promote the topic of boats and what happened to the boat in that video?
  14. -1
    6 July 2023 11: 16
    The topic is important. Known, but not solved. Like so many others. As in the old joke - no matter where you kiss - everywhere opa.
  15. 0
    6 July 2023 11: 22
    “Until the thunder breaks out, the peasant will not cross himself” - our everything. The proverb is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. What can you do, that's how we are - "long-harnessing".

    It's all about irresponsibility and impunity! Until the ranks bear the inevitable responsibility for their work, everything will continue like this!
    Why wasn’t it clear even before the NWO that this would be a war of drones ?!
    How many even here in VO there were articles about kamikaze drones, guided missiles, reconnaissance and strike UAVs, about the fact that our military equipment developed back in the 60s no longer meets the requirements of today! Where is the KAZ for armored vehicles?
    At first, we are standing on the Dnieper, which was not clear that boats were needed along the way? And not just a developed resource, but what was riding at numerous exhibitions (and this applies to all armored vehicles), everything has been developed




    but, everything exists "in metal", but why is all this not in the troops, and it is obvious that certain people could and should answer this question!
    1. +3
      6 July 2023 11: 55
      Welcome to the real world: in fact, these were made for the fleet and were actively used by the fleet. Incl. in the battles for Serpentine. And to use an anti-sabotage boat, designed to protect the bases of the fleet of underwater saboteurs, for transporting military equipment along the Dnieper - this is generally a clinic. For this, they would have been put against the wall during the Second World War.
    2. 0
      6 July 2023 12: 23
      such boats of the not shallow Dnieper, they will be destroyed on the first day
    3. +2
      6 July 2023 12: 54
      The photos of equipment you posted are just not for the conditions that are now prevailing on the Dnieper. These are normal fleet boats designed to perform their tasks in certain water areas.
      The photo on the splash screen more reflects the realities. Is it possible to work with the power of the engines (400 imported horses will either never be used, or they will turn this boat over the stern laughing), placement of fuel and weapons.
      1. 0
        14 July 2023 08: 30
        The second from the top and the second from the bottom - maybe more ....
  16. +3
    6 July 2023 11: 38
    Comrade Staver! But motors, jet skis and navigation equipment are narrow-eyed mattresses ...... that's the trouble .....
  17. -2
    6 July 2023 15: 43
    In our country, it only comes to officials when an army of many thousands advances to their nest on heavy equipment! Then the reaction is quick, clear and everyone hears everything at once, I delve into the problems and try to solve them before the end of the day, preferably faster than the speed of the column. In other cases, the only hope is for Volotrevs and volunteers. Such a country :(
  18. +1
    6 July 2023 22: 23
    I didn't understand anything. What is offered by the author and those who understand him? Supply line infantry with speedboats? All? Or some special units? Forgive me, gentlemen of criticism, but this is complete absurdity. In addition to rivers, there are mountains, deserts, tundra, swamps. Do you think the infantry should be supplied with climbing equipment, snow scooters, and camels? Well, what if?
    The infantry has the means to overcome water barriers. They are enough to conduct combat operations on land. We have all light armored vehicles floating, that BMP, that armored personnel carrier, there is bridge equipment.

    Another thing is that a RIVER Fleet should be created.
    1. -2
      11 July 2023 23: 33
      The author drives hype for those who love flooding and gossiping about "how smart we are and what stupid generals." Everything is simple. There are many of these. I remember how, during the battles for Mariupol, such an author urgently demanded to convert armored vehicles into super-heavy ones with super-caliber superguns.
    2. 0
      14 July 2023 08: 32
      And we simply don’t have “special” infantry for operations in “special” conditions, which are not mountains or the Arctic, but, say, forests, swamps, lakes, rivers. "Just gamekeepers."
  19. 0
    7 July 2023 10: 35
    Quote: abc_alex
    Another thing is that a RIVER Fleet should be created.

    Vii got it right. And the river flotilla should be given priority over all ocean leaders, cruisers and aircraft carriers. I will allow myself to say the unthinkable - I should also have priority over the yachts of the Russian oligarchs.
  20. -1
    7 July 2023 13: 18
    History repeats itself. People collect for cars for our military, and at the same time, Ros Reserve sells UAZs from storage.
    So it is here. We need boats and boats for the NWO, but they belong to the customs, the prosecutor's office and hell knows who
  21. Uno
    -2
    7 July 2023 19: 38
    for some reason, I remembered how everyone here laughed that the Americans were supplying inflatable boats as help. There were ha-ha and hee-hee, here it is the Ukrainian Navy in inflatable boats. But it turns out that the cauldrons of norms and whirlwinds with breezes will also go)
    1. 0
      9 July 2023 16: 40
      I will laugh now.
      A Kazanka with a Whirlwind at least will not go to the bottom along with the entire crew after a couple of hits from a machine gun. If we are talking about the control of the water area, then we do not need rubber boats, but normal river armored boats. And it would be nice to clear the brains of waterfowl with their requests and how, in the years of WW2, to use not intricately crafted "sea" weapon systems, but combat modules of ground armored vehicles. Turrets from the T-1125 and T-28 were placed on the armored boats 34. And these machines are excellent. Bakhcha combat modules can be installed on modern armored boats; it will cover all the needs of a river armored boat with a margin. And motors from the BMP-3M. Everything should be serial, combined arms. No frills.
      And few people will find it - there are towers and engines from the T-72 ... :)
      1. -2
        11 July 2023 23: 37
        The armored boats of the Second World War were not affected by ATGMs, drones, helicopters and similar sweets. One hit by a rocket will disable such an armored boat, and the second will finish it off.
      2. 0
        14 July 2023 08: 22
        Judging by the latest projects of such ships, it's all crawling out already under 60 and even 80 tons with protection hardly better than that of the BMP-3 "in stock", moreover, with one tower (from a light tank or cannon armored car) and "tank" habitability conditions . And if you design it like a normal boat, then there will be such a huge PT-76. By the way, pre-war armored boats were also only nominally armored. They barely held a rifle caliber (except for tank turrets), and even that was not in the extremities, and the size of the citadel did not provide a sufficient reserve of buoyancy when the extremities were flooded.