Ukraine received the promised SAMP / T air defense system

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Ukraine received the promised SAMP / T air defense system


Last year, France and Italy promised the Kyiv regime to supply SAMP / T anti-aircraft missile systems. It was assumed that such a medium / long range system would strengthen the air defense of key installations and protect them from Russian strike weapons. However, the promised equipment had to wait a long time, and it is only now taking up duty. In addition, the amount of assistance turned out to be insufficient even to partially cover the needs of the Ukrainian air defense.



Long wait


In October 2022, the Kiev region turned to foreign countries with a request for the supply of modern air defense systems. The reason for this was Russian massive strikes on military infrastructure using cruise missiles and strike UAVs. Soon foreign partners began to report their readiness to help.

So, at the end of the month, it became known that France and Italy would jointly assemble and transfer to Ukraine a long-range air defense system SAMP/T (Sol-Air Moyenne-Portée/Terrestre). As it became known later, each of the countries had to allocate certain components of the complex, from which they then planned to assemble a battery to be sent to the Kyiv regime. In addition, an order was being prepared for 700 anti-aircraft missiles, presumably to replenish their own arsenals and send them to Ukraine.

The transfer of the air defense system was planned over the next few months. At the same time, the exact date was not specified at first, and then the estimated dates were shifted. So, in March, foreign media reported that SAMP / T will go to the recipient in the coming weeks. However, it soon became known that the preparation of the complex was being delayed, and it could not be shipped before June. The reason for this shift was called some technical problems.


At the end of May, the Italian press reported that the Ministry of Defense was preparing another, already seventh, package of assistance to Ukraine. According to her, it was this package that should have included funds from the SAMP / T air defense system. However, the timing of the approval of such a package, as well as the subsequent delivery of equipment, was not specified then. All these activities could take up to several weeks.

This time the forecasts and expectations came true. On June 20, French President Emmanuel Macron announced the completion of all necessary preparations and the transfer of the promised air defense system. According to him, at the time of these statements, the SAMP / T product had already reached Ukraine, was deployed and took up combat duty. Where exactly the complex works and how its duty is organized, for obvious reasons, was not reported.

Technical potential


France and Italy have reportedly provided the Kyiv regime with just one SAMP/T SAM battery pack. At the same time, they provided an unfinished complex, removed from duty or storage. The two countries allocated separate components from their parts, which were then assembled into a complete set. So, the French army shared launchers and ammunition, and the Italian gave its radar station and some other means.

A typical SAMP / T SAM battery includes a command post, an Arabel radar for detection and fire control, as well as from 4 to 6 launchers. Each launcher holds eight missiles of the Aster 30 type - the total ammunition load of the battery, ready for launch, includes from 32 to 48 missiles. All fixed assets of the air defense system are made on wheeled chassis, which increases their mobility. In this case, combat work is carried out only after deployment to the position.


The tasks of tracking airspace, searching and tracking targets are assigned to the multifunctional radar "Arabel". This product is equipped with phased array and includes digital data processing. The detection range of an air target, depending on its type, exceeds 150-200 km, i.e. significantly higher than the launch range of any regular missiles.

Processing of data on the air situation, determination of the degree of danger of targets and preparation for launches is carried out by an automated command post. In addition, the command post of the SAMP / T complex has communication and data transmission facilities for working in a layered multi-component air defense of NATO standards.

The SAMP / T complex is actually built around the previously developed Aster 30 anti-aircraft guided missile. This is a product of a two-stage bicaliber scheme with a solid propellant propulsion system. The length of the rocket is 4,9 m with a mass of 450 kg. The second stage is equipped with an inertial navigation system and an active radar seeker, providing access to the target area with its subsequent search and defeat. The product is equipped with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 15 kg.

In the basic modification of the Aster 30 SAM, it developed a speed of 1400 m / s and had a firing range of 120 km. Subsequently, they carried out modernization, due to which the range was brought up to 150 km. This, in a known way, improved the general characteristics and combat capabilities of the air defense system, and also made it possible to formally transfer it into the category of long-range systems.


The Aster 30 missile is designed to intercept various targets over the entire range. Declared the ability to deal with aircraft of different classes, helicopters and UAVs. In addition, the SAMP / T air defense system can work on ballistic targets - missile warheads with a firing range of up to 600 km.

Practical benefits


In general, the SAMP / T product is a completely modern foreign air defense system with fairly high performance characteristics. In its appearance and capabilities, this complex is similar to other foreign air defense systems of current models. At the same time, in terms of the totality of capabilities and parameters, it surpasses some systems and is inferior to others.

Obviously, SAMP/T is able to fully realize its technical potential only as part of a developed air defense system with a sufficient number and quality of components. In the case of Ukraine, the possibility of its effective application is in question, and for a number of reasons. In addition, difficulties and problems along the line of operation are to be expected.

The SAMP / T complex is really capable of covering a significant area from various threats. However, the Kyiv regime was given only one battery with a certain supply of missiles. Accordingly, with the help of the received equipment, it will not be able to fundamentally increase the affected area of ​​​​Ukrainian air defense.


The French-Italian air defense system is made according to NATO standards, thanks to which it can be used with other foreign air defense systems - locators, command posts, communication systems, etc. Whether such opportunities will be used, and how successful such a defense organization will be, is a big question.

However, practice shows that Ukrainian air defense is vulnerable to Russian strikes. Any of its components, including SAMP / T, can be identified and become a target for Russian weapons. Our army has already destroyed or disabled a number of advertised foreign designs, and SAMP / T will not be an exception.

It should be noted that the destruction of the "new" foreign air defense system is not a fundamentally mandatory action. As the events of recent months have shown, our missiles and UAVs are able to operate freely in the areas of responsibility of the Ukrainian air defense and solve assigned tasks. However, it will be necessary to destroy the enemy air defense systems, incl. and for humanitarian reasons. Like other complexes, SAMP / T will become a new threat to local urban development, infrastructure and residents.

Common problems


Thus, France and Italy nevertheless assembled and handed over to Ukraine the promised SAMP / T anti-aircraft missile system - but it took more than six months. Now the only battery of such an air defense system is on alert and it is assumed that it will be able to strengthen the air defense of one of the important areas. However, the experience of recent months shows that this should not be counted on.

All this story again shows the characteristics and problems of foreign armies. For a long time, the countries of NATO and Europe have relied on collective security and defense, which is why they skimped on their own armed forces. The number of tools and complexes in service was reduced to a minimum. And now they simply do not have a sufficient supply of modern products to help friendly Ukraine. However, given the political environment, such a scenario should be considered positive.
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  1. +3
    27 June 2023 04: 07
    Ukraine received the promised SAMP / T air defense system

    Fathers! Another fight between a whale and an elephant...
    Russia has the best X-31PD anti-radar missile to date. Its competitors from the NATO countries clearly do not live up to its characteristics. Thanks to the competent decisions of military engineers, it is possible to launch a rocket from a distance that is safe for its carrier, which automatically makes the vaunted air defense systems completely useless.

    I would like the RF Armed Forces not to know the lack of such missiles ... Yes
    1. +2
      27 June 2023 14: 29
      Do you really think that on the other side the "fools" are fighting and will "shine" the radar for a long time? Moreover, it is based on a mobile platform ... They turned on the radar, found a target, launched a rocket and "faded" ... While ours will rise from base airfields ... And then in the event that we detect the enemy’s radar. The A-50 we have counted once or twice ... There is no way to hang around the clock ...
      1. +2
        27 June 2023 21: 10
        Quote: know-two
        Do you really think that on the other side the "fools" are fighting and will "shine" the radar for a long time?

        No, they are not fools at all, but quite professionals. But they will shine with their radars while repelling the attack of our KR, UAVs and OTR.
        Quote: know-two
        ..They turned on the radar, found the target, launched the rocket and "faded".

        But to fade away is just not always possible. If during the raid our fighter with PRLR will be on duty in the air and wait for the enemy radars to turn on. The Kh-31 missile is very fast, it is tricky to run away from it.
        And if the radar periodically turns on near the LBS in the reach zone for the same "Lancet", then the reconnaissance UAV will fly out, detect it (radar) and point the "Lancet", which will work "on the bull's-eye" in the final section. This is exactly how our means work on enemy radars. And pretty efficient.
        But this air defense system will cover important objects in the rear, and it is possible that more long-range weapons will be required to eliminate it. Such as "Iskander-M" or "Dagger". For the sake of such a serious complex and "Dagger" it will not be a pity.
        This air defense system is equivalent and even somewhat similar to our S-350. The system is serious, interesting, as a desired goal.
        1. +1
          28 June 2023 03: 08
          Weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - from the world on a thread - a naked shirt ... This is how many types of foreign weapons in each form, and in how many languages ​​!!!

          6 types of tanks and self-propelled guns, 7 - armored vehicles and transporters, 6 - air defense systems, 5 - missile systems ... and small arms!!! 4 - artillery ..

          English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Swedish, Norwegian…

          Imagine a renovation! Logistics on the verge of chaos!! Without advisers on the ground - that is. in Galicia - incredible.
          1. 0
            29 June 2023 04: 52
            Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
            Imagine a renovation! Logistics on the verge of chaos!! Without advisers on the ground - that is. in Galicia - incredible.

            Everything NATO and Co. is trying on them now, incl. and repair teams, volunteers, mercenaries, simply seconded specialists from combat units.
            In addition, they have been fighting for a year and a half, and have been mastering NATO technology for at least a year. In war, in general, they learn quickly. And Shoyg and Gerasimov were given a lot of time to study. Too much .
        2. 0
          8 July 2023 15: 09
          Rakksazhite this theory to the pilots of 2 aircraft and several aircraft that were shot down by someone over the territory of the Russian Federation. In Belgorod like?
  2. -4
    27 June 2023 04: 29
    Optimism was in the air at headquarters... And among bloggers.
    There is no certainty in war.
    How else to explain such marking time.
    One step forward, 2 steps back.
    Not Shoigu, but the main business.
    According to the transportation of raw materials and finished products, they are divided, they judge about the loss. And our army is being pulled like that.
  3. 0
    27 June 2023 06: 02
    In addition, Germany announced its readiness to transfer 30 Gepard ZSU, it seems that they solved the problem with shells ...
    1. -3
      27 June 2023 09: 58
      They decided with the shells, but it’s not at all a fact that this piece of iron will be effective against modern small shock drones .. At least you don’t hear anything from the front about the actions of our counterparts - Shilka and Tunguska. And we obviously should have quite a few of them ..
  4. +3
    27 June 2023 06: 03
    The main thing here is that they promised and delivered. And, we couldn’t interfere with deliveries, deployment, training and putting on duty.
  5. 0
    27 June 2023 06: 19
    All new and new weapons cross the border, how come?
  6. +3
    27 June 2023 07: 02
    The pumping of weapons continues, both qualitative and quantitative. With this approach, we are getting further and further from complete demilitarization
  7. +6
    27 June 2023 08: 15
    Well, now, thanks to the Russian Federation, the EU has realized the weakness of its military industry. I think in 5 years they will strengthen it at a Stakhanovite pace. Due to the presence of advanced machine tools, instrumentation, microelectronics, this will not be difficult for them.
  8. -2
    27 June 2023 08: 49
    SAMP / T
    In fairness, Macron and the Italian prime minister must be put on the rockets of this complex with the fifth point and press the "Start" button (this is figuratively). It always becomes a shame from the fact that modern and not very Western technology without too much difficulty reaches the bloody hands of the Kyiv regime. All the same, it is necessary to solve something with this and take measures to disrupt Western logistics, which has already been mentioned more than one hundred times.
    1. 0
      28 June 2023 09: 00
      Talking and taking real concrete action are different actions.
  9. +5
    27 June 2023 09: 54
    The Sumerians urgently need not so much object as military air defense .. In order to somehow cover up the groups trying to attack. And here it is - the West can do little to help, they themselves have almost no such class of weapons. And what is - desperately needed by ourselves. Well, they did not count on the last 30 years - to fight against an army of equal capabilities !!

    As for the object air defense, the deliveries won’t save a damn either, because there are A LOT of objects that need to be covered .. And so many sets - they won’t be given iron. And it turns out Trishkin's caftan .. God forbid, at least Kuev is at least a little protected, having achieved, say, halving the hits .. And then - this will obviously be achieved at a clearly very expensive price ..
    1. 0
      27 June 2023 19: 37
      Quote: paul3390
      deliveries won’t save a damn thing either, because there are a LOT of objects that need to be covered ..

      Seems like it's been enough for now.
      Quote: paul3390
      Kuev at least a little to protect, having achieved, say, halving the hits ..

      There are almost no arrivals in Kyiv since winter.
      Quote: paul3390
      will obviously be achieved at a clearly very expensive price ..

      Yes, SVO is not cheap.
      Quote: paul3390
      And it turns out trishkin caftan

      It turns out the usual nodal air defense, as in most countries, including the Russian Federation.
      Quote: paul3390
      Well, they did not count on the last 30 years - to fight against an army of equal capabilities !!

      A slightly incomprehensible thesis. Now we see two armies of third world countries. Who didn't expect anything?
      Quote: paul3390
      To somehow cover up the groups trying to attack

      More precisely, you need the following:
      1. Aviation, preferably under AWACS, in order to clear the near zone, at least from helicopters.
      2. Massive means of light anti-drone air defense, in fact, at the level of each mechanized company.
      3. Striking means for the destruction of large enemy air defense systems.
      4. Lots of artillery and engineering equipment.

      The West, of course, has all this, but it is not supplied to Ukraine.
      1. +1
        30 June 2023 15: 08
        There are almost no arrivals in Kyiv since winter.

        Che?
        And why did the patriot shoot the entire BC?
        Did the power steering light up on its own?
        1. +1
          1 July 2023 12: 24
          Quote: bk316
          And the patriot...
          A power steering

          Here are just a few hits and see.
          1. 0
            2 July 2023 18: 45
            Quote: Negro
            Quote: bk316
            And the patriot...
            A power steering

            Here are just a few hits and see.

            The consequence of the ban (with criminal liability for violation) on the publication of any information about hits and the work of air defense.
        2. 0
          1 July 2023 14: 32
          And why did the patriot shoot the entire BC?
          IMHO, the legendary video from Kyiv, where flashes are visible on air defense positions, so no one really made out.

          IMHO, there were more than 4 launches on the video from one point, respectively, these were not Patriots, but NASAMS or, rather, 8 IrisT rocket launchers.

          Again, the question is about the trajectories of missiles - IMHO, the "tilt after launch" was visible, and not "start and turn", respectively, this is NASAMS.

          Unfortunately, even on Losstarmore, the video was commented on for hits, but they did not make out which air defense system hit.
          1. 0
            2 July 2023 06: 49
            Quote: Wildcat
            IMHO, there were more than 4 starts on the video from one point, respectively, these were not Patriots

            It could be PAK-3.
            Quote: Wildcat
            on which air defense system hit.

            By no means. On the video, the maximum close arrival at the launcher. Which is a one-time containers installed on a more or less ordinary dump truck.
            1. 0
              2 July 2023 14: 18
              It could be PAK-3.
              By the way, yes - CRI in Kyiv was even on the roads.

              By no means. On the video, the maximum close arrival at the launcher. Which is a one-time containers installed on a more or less ordinary dump truck.
              By the way, no, not an ordinary dump truck lol , but it was probably the "missile platform" / launcher on the video - "As Russia claims that US-made Patriot system has been destroyed in Ukraine, US sources say the missile platform is likely only damaged."
            2. 0
              2 July 2023 19: 00
              Quote: Negro
              By no means. On the video, the maximum close arrival at the launcher. Which is a one-time containers installed on a more or less ordinary dump truck.

              All is well, beautiful marquise,
              Things are going and life is easy
              Not a single sad surprise
              With the exception of a trifle:
              So, bullshit, an empty thing,
              ...
              1. 0
                3 July 2023 07: 57
                Quote: Comet
                All is well, beautiful marquise.

                No, there are many problems. The main one is that the SVO has not yet led to the improvement of the Ukrainian political system. Even worse, over the past year and a half, Ukraine has become much closer to Russian-Belarusian practices. In this regard, the idea of ​​the great geopolitician to close the Anti-Russia project is much closer to success than the supporters of Ukraine's "European choice" would like.

                At the same time, there are serious problems with the "European choice" itself, which are becoming increasingly difficult to ignore. In 2014, no one had in mind that a new GDR would be offered.
          2. 0
            2 July 2023 18: 59
            Quote: Wildcat
            And why did the patriot shoot the entire BC?
            IMHO, the legendary video from Kyiv, where flashes are visible on air defense positions, so no one really made out.

            IMHO, there were more than 4 launches on the video from one point, respectively, these were not Patriots, but NASAMS or, rather, 8 IrisT rocket launchers.

            Again, the question is about the trajectories of missiles - IMHO, the "tilt after launch" was visible, and not "start and turn", respectively, this is NASAMS.

            Unfortunately, even on Losstarmore, the video was commented on for hits, but they did not make out which air defense system hit.

            Didn't the self-destructed missiles notice? OK. In the darkness of the night, human vision is not able to determine the distance to the object, and it is impossible to restore a three-dimensional image from one two-dimensional image. Therefore, analyzing the video on the subject of "what, where and where" is meaningless.
  10. 0
    27 June 2023 17: 20
    The author does not change and, as usual, takes not quality, but quantity (unfortunately) ...
  11. -2
    27 June 2023 17: 32
    And what can one, semi-stationary air defense system, with a radius of 120 km.?
    1. 0
      27 June 2023 19: 23
      Quote: TermNachTER
      what can one, semi-stationary air defense system, with a radius of 120 km.?

      Create another, like a third, full-fledged air defense / missile defense unit the size of an area. Of course, subject to integration with lower systems.
      1. 0
        30 June 2023 15: 09
        Create another, like a third, full-fledged air defense / missile defense unit the size of an area.

        With one launcher?
        Do not make me laugh.
        1. +3
          1 July 2023 12: 23
          Quote: bk316
          With one launcher?

          With one battery. And this is the upper floor of the bush, protection from Iskanders / Daggers.
          1. 0
            2 July 2023 19: 02
            Quote: Negro
            Quote: bk316
            With one launcher?

            With one battery. And this is the upper floor of the bush, protection from Iskanders / Daggers.

            A lost cause, just like with the Patriot.
      2. 0
        2 December 2023 17: 25
        120 km. - this is Kuev with its suburbs, there is no talk about the region. One air defense system. even very good. Doesn't do the weather, only the system.
  12. -3
    27 June 2023 18: 34
    Allow me a question off topic and specialty? We will continue to state the facts of the receipt by the Armed Forces of Ukraine of new models of weapons and equipment and their entry into the theater.? And until when? Or a decision was made to "run in" the entire arsenal of NATO weapons on l.\s. RF Armed Forces? Don’t you admit that at one fine moment NATO will bring tactical nuclear weapons or components to create a “dirty” bomb to the territory of Ukraine???? Then it will be difficult to express another "concern", we will not even have time to draw a "red line" ....
  13. +3
    28 June 2023 00: 19
    SAMP/T is bad for the following reasons.
    This is a long range system and they make it in Europe.
    Basically, it "registered" on ships, land-based versions are not particularly sold (more precisely, they are not sold at all (Singapore does not count), only the producing countries themselves have done "to be"). That is, the production line, unlike the Patriots, is not overloaded with orders, to put it mildly. Accordingly, even missiles (version 15, I wonder if it will be? 30 will definitely be given) can be produced both from the arsenals of the fleet and from the production line - "how much money is enough."

    IMHO, at medium range, we should expect AIM7 in the "FrankenSAM" ("SAM-Frankensteins") variant based on BUK and KUB (and there are Asps somewhere else, but for some reason they are not fixed), plus HOKs and the remains of C125.

    Well, it’s strange that MIKAvl hasn’t arrived yet, along with KAMM.
    1. 0
      30 June 2023 19: 56
      Quote: Wildcat
      SAMP/T is bad for the following reasons.
      This is a long range system and they make it in Europe.
      Basically, she "registered" on the ships,

      There is no SAMP/T on ships, it's a ground based system.

      Quote: Wildcat
      ground-based versions are not particularly sold (more precisely, they are not sold at all (Singapore does not count), only the producing countries themselves have done "to be").

      There is nothing American about SAMP/T, so it doesn't sell much.
  14. 0
    3 July 2023 11: 59
    We need geraniums 1, it is smaller than 2nd, with a head on the radar and it is desirable to paint them with stealth paint, a range of 500 km is more than enough and let it go along the route and forgot where it will find something: soldier
  15. 0
    27 July 2023 20: 59
    Well received, we are waiting for fireworks! ! ! I hope it will burn beautifully with special effects)
  16. 0
    11 September 2023 14: 20
    Quote: bayard
    And Shoiga and Gerasimov gave them a lot of time to study. Too much .

    Since 2015, Bandera’s students have been studying.

    The beginning of this “Kherson shame” was laid by the Surkovites, who refused to the residents of Novorossiya, back in 2015, to hold a referendum on joining Mother Russia.

    In general, Surkov (nee Aslanbek Dudayev, Jewish mother) spoiled Russia and the Russians over the most fierce enemies of our Motherland.

    It was at his suggestion that Putin believed in the unconditional Minsk negotiations.
    He later spoke about this deception.
  17. -2
    19 November 2023 09: 11
    Another gayrop junk.
    This nonsense from our missiles will not help!
    Our president said, “we have already won,” which means that soon our tanks will be in Lviv!