EW, which is against us. "Offal" F-22 and F-35

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EW, which is against us. "Offal" F-22 and F-35

Speaking of what could work against us in the very near future, of course, first of all, it is worth mentioning the American aviation, for it is the cornerstone of both attack and defense. And there's nothing to be done, as they have been doing since the forties of the last century, when American generals and admirals caught the zen of a floating airfield advanced towards the enemy.

And the most interesting US Air Force aircraft are definitely the Raptor and Lightning. Mainly because of the relative novelty, because we will also deal with the filling of the same B-1, B-2 and B-52, but in turn. And the specialized EW and RER aircraft of the US Air Force and Navy is generally a separate story, and there is even more interesting there. So let's go in order.



So, F-22 and F-35. The new and latest US Air Force fighter-bombers, which, according to all the canons, simply had to be equipped with the latest technology.

I represent: INEWS system, which is designed to provide personal protection for the F-22 Raptor aircraft.


INEWS must protect the aircraft from anti-aircraft missile and air defense missile and artillery systems, guided air-to-air missiles by setting active and passive jamming of enemy radar and optoelectronic means. Before that, of course, by discovering and recognizing these means.

The INEWS system includes the following components:

− signal processing and analysis equipment;
− control processor;
− receiver in the frequency range 2-40 GHz;
− Doppler radar for detection and warning of the launch of guided missiles;
− missile launch warning receivers with multispectral sensitive elements in the range of 2–5 µm and 6–20 µm;
− interference transmitters in the ranges of 2-18 GHz and 20-40 GHz;
− anti-radar reflector ejection devices;
− IR traps and POIs.

In addition, it is also possible to include a UV receiver in the INEWS.

INEWS is integrated into a single complex of onboard electronic equipment, therefore, through the multiplex bus, it is controlled by the aircraft's expert analytical system, respectively, INEWS can operate in a fully automatic mode without distracting the pilot.

A feature of INEWS is that it was created for an aircraft using stealth technology (stealth) and having reduced signatures in the radio frequency and infrared wavelength ranges. In the design of the aircraft, wide-range phased antenna arrays were used, which made it possible to significantly reduce the effective scattering surface (ESR). Combined arrays have been applied to both Doppler detection radar and IR sensors.

All transceiver modules on board the aircraft are made using the MIS microwave technology (microwave integrated circuits designed to operate at ultra-high frequencies from 300 MHz to 300 GHz)), which made it possible to create small-sized combined phased arrays that intercept enemy RES signals in a wide frequency range, with simultaneous reduced visibility in the radio range.

Microwave monolithic integrated circuit (MIS) is an integrated circuit manufactured using solid state technology and designed to operate at microwave frequencies (300 MHz - 300 GHz). MIS microwaves, due to their small size, are successfully used from cell phones to radars based on AFAR.

We will not talk about the element base, as long as there is Silicon Valley, the USA will have order with microcircuits.

INEWS uses a DRFM radio frequency storage device that can process received signals both at carrier and at intermediate frequencies, analyze their spectral characteristics and generate interference with high accuracy and apply it to the detected radar facility. All this is controlled by a very high-performance processor, processing the information received by it and issuing ready-made solutions to the system.

DRFM is primarily useful when using expendable countermeasures such as chaff and IR traps. Every time the system's sensors talk about the exposure of an aircraft to a certain type of radar, it is the aircraft's expert-analytical system, together with missile launch warning devices (including passive ones), that calculates and determines the degree of danger and makes a decision on the use of countermeasures.

As an example, the following moment can be cited: OED (optoelectronic receivers) detect the launch of an air-to-air missile by the thermal radiation of a rocket engine in the infrared range, the system determines the missile’s motion vector, tracks the flight and automatically fires IR traps at the right time.


In general, the role of OED in modern aircraft safety systems is very large, so they still have a rather long way of development, as evidenced by numerous multispectral (so-called "mosaic") IR and UV direction finders, which are valuable primarily for their very low false alarm probability, high resolution and wide viewing angles.

A few words about the processor that controls everything. This is a development of a very well-known Hughes company based on standard SEM-E modules. If you do not go into complex concepts such as "parallel distributed architecture", then, in fact, this is a subsystem that combines the functions of processing and analyzing signals from all subsystems of the aircraft with the further issuance of an optimal scenario for countering threats.

INEWS tests were completed in 2000 and the system was put into production. Until 2014, it was planned to equip all F-22 aircraft, both already produced and those that were at the assembly stage, with it. Since about 1 billion US dollars was spent on the creation of INEWS, and the cost of the serial kit was about 6 million dollars, it is natural that only a large series of production could “recapture” R&D.

However, the cost of the F-22 as a whole exceeded all reasonable limits, which, in the conditions of the financial crisis, led to a significant reduction in the entire Raptor production program. As a result, the F-22 electronic warfare kit looked like this:
− AN/ALR-94 radiation warning station, which automatically detected, identified and determined the coordinates of the radar operating on the aircraft;
− AN/AAR-56 missile attack warning system, which allows detecting missile launches on the aircraft. 6 sensors spaced along the sides of the aircraft with a viewing angle of 60 degrees, give a sector of 360 degrees, providing a complete vision of the zone of possible missile launches;
− AN/ALE-52 expendable countermeasures ejection machines. Automatic devices, which, having received a signal from the control processor of the INEWS system, work out the release of traps or chaff without involving the pilot.

In general, the results of tests, exercises and regarding combat use in Syria and Afghanistan (where the enemy simply did not have more or less decent air defense) showed that INEWS can guarantee a certain safety to the aircraft and has the potential for further development.

Since the F-22 production program was eventually curtailed, it was assumed that INEWS itself and R&D developments would be used in the future to create new aircraft protection systems.

Complex AN / ASQ-239 "Barracuda" for the aircraft F-35 "Lightning II"


Yes, this is the next and very interesting step in stories American electronic warfare equipment. This is really a further development and modernization of the INEWS system, which was on the F-22A.

"Barracuda" from the progenitor differed in a higher degree of integration with the aircraft's avionics and its computer system, firstly, and the cost is already four times lower than INEWS, secondly.

In fact, the detailing and filtering of the data that the on-board system gives to the pilot has significantly increased, as well as more efficiently interfering in frequency and in angular coordinates.

The radiation warning station for the F-35 aircraft almost completely copies the similar AN / ALR-94 complex from the F-22A. If you look impartially, then indeed, there is no point in changing something that works more than confidently. However, for the F-35 complex, the BAE Systems developer added the AN / AAQ-37 system, which, using six IR sensors distributed over the fuselage, will provide information about missile launches towards the aircraft.

Next we have radar. It sounds strange, because where is the means of electronic suppression (REP) and where is the radar? It seems to be on opposite sides of the barricade, but ... BAE Systems announces that it is quite possible for the radar of the F-35 AN / APG-81 aircraft to work as an electronic warfare station.

In fairness, we note that such use of an airborne radar is also possible for the AN / APG-79 radar installed on F / A-18E / F Block 2 and EA-18G aircraft and for the AN / APG-77 (V) radar of the F-22A fighter. I mean, it's not really that new.

Such jamming through radar antennas is limited to the X-band, but the US military took this step quite consciously, because it is cheaper.

How it works on the example of the F / A-18E / F equipped with the ALQ-214 electronic warfare system from the same BAE Systems.


The system works in such a way that the generated jamming signal is fed to the AFAR radar of the aircraft and thus it turns out to provide a very high supply of suppression energy to the source target.

Yes, the interference sector is limited by the AFAR operating angles, but nevertheless, the F / A-18E / F Block 2 became the first aircraft that was able to use its AFAR radar to jam the enemy.

Further, Northrop Grumman, which also manufactures various radars for aircraft, joined the business. In its releases, the firm states that its APG-77(V)1 and APG-81 AFAR radars, which are used respectively in the F-22 and F-35 aircraft, will also have a similar capability. The only thing that prevents this from being done today is the lack of adequate funding today.

We conclude: the EW complex of the F-35 fighter is capable of jamming in the X-band (8-12 GHz) in the nose sector of the aircraft radar, because it is the radar that acts as the main on-board jamming tool on this fighter.

The main one, but not the only one. The AN / ASQ-239 Barracuda complex has two more radiating antennas. A number of experts believe that these are S-band antennas, 2-4 GHz, located in the nose of the wing, are also designed to jam, but not in the nose sector, but on the sides, complementing the operation of the ECM system with AFAR.

The remaining eight antennas of the AN / ASQ-239 complex work exclusively for reception.


In general, "it seems, but not quite." Moreover, the AN / ASQ-94 Barracuda complex, developed on the basis of AN / ALR-239, was in turn used to refine the AN / ALR-94 in modifications.

The only thing failed upgrade, working with AN / ASQ-239 - this is the cost of AN / ALR-94. But perhaps even this is justified, because the AN / ALR-94 is still a very advanced system, although, according to some Western experts, it is not fully installed, with somewhat truncated capabilities. But the Barracuda was even more “degreased”, which raises questions and certain doubts for many, especially if the aircraft has to work against a country that has decent anti-aircraft weapons.

But in order to evaluate all this, you just need to lay out on the table the very principle of operation of both AN / ALR-94 and AN / ASQ-239, and, for now, let's leave alone the possibility of setting active jamming using the APG-77 antenna array.

If so, the AN / ALR-94 is a completely passive system, but very complex and effective. It works through a large (more than three dozen) small antennas scattered throughout the body and allows for 360-degree coverage.

The system is capable of detecting, tracking and identifying a target long before it is detected by the radar, at a distance of more than 400 km. It is difficult to say how true this is at all, but it is precisely such data (and even more) that equipment manufacturers declare.

Antennas receive all signals coming towards the aircraft from any sources, the onboard complex analyzes the signals, recognizes, prioritizes and assigns importance to targets. The radar at the same time provides data on the speed and distance to the target. If the target begins to actively “probe” the aircraft with its radar, then AN / ALR-94 provides the issuance of coordinates and other flight parameters for launching the AIM-120 missile and its guidance until it hits the target.

The long distances at which the sensors of the detection system work effectively can allow the pilots of American fighters to see the target before the radar of an enemy aircraft captures the American aircraft. This is an important point as it gives the AN/ALR-94 time gain in which to calculate the direction, type of threat and distance to it. Plus there is a very important point in determining the distance at which the enemy will see the F-22A. That is, distance/time of invisibility.

The F-22A pilot will have more time to calculate maneuvers both to avoid a possible enemy attack and to carry out his attacking actions.


AN / ALR-94 through the displays in the cockpit gives the pilot all the information about existing threats, shows the SAM radar and early warning radar, moreover, by drawing circles that show their estimated effective firing range.

The lack of an electron-optical system for target identification should be considered a huge minus of the F-22A equipment, since it is believed that the pilot has enough means to recognize any target, even beyond the line of sight. This is justified from the point of view of finances, but it is completely unjustified from the point of view of increasing the load on the pilot in a combat situation.

Now with regard to the setting of active jamming using the APG-77. Technically, everything is very simple. AN / ALR-94 (naturally, AN / ASQ-239 can do this) from a decent distance (180 km) detects a radiation source, processes signal parameters, generates interference, and using part of the AFAR cells, forms a very narrow beam (up to 2 degrees) , which pointwise interferes with the radiation source. The radar at this point continues to track the target.

Who is better, F-22 or F-35?


In fact, in the rank of output. It should also be noted that the AN / ALR-94 antenna system is much more complicated than the AN / ASQ-239 antenna system - more than thirty antennas (including VHF, UHF and L-bands), and not ten antennas.

The F-35 can interfere with the enemy using the onboard defense system and the capabilities of the APG-77 antenna device, but this can only be done in the forward sector of the radar and in the X-band frequencies.

Many foreign experts believe that in this regard, the F-35 is inferior even to the F / A-18E / F IDECM Block 3, the onboard defense system of which provides all-round protection using the AN / ALQ-214 (V) 3 jamming station and towed with AN/ALE-55 decoy fiber optic cable.

However, the next modification of the F-35 will make this aircraft more secure. Northrop Grumman is hard at work on a security system known as Threat Nullification Defensive Resource (ThNDR).


This is SOEP, an optical-electronic interference station that uses infrared lasers to jam missiles of various classes in the optical and infrared ranges.

In addition, today active work is underway to integrate the AN / ALE-35 FTOD towed decoy into the F-70 air defense system, which will provide the fighter with interference from the rear hemisphere. This is planned to be completed as part of the Block 3 fighter modernization program.

Next we have promising program for the development of the NGJ electronic countermeasure system for the F-35B.


NGJ (Next Generation Jammer), the next generation system, originally intended to replace the AN / ALQ-99 ICAP III ECM system on EA-18G aircraft.


That is, this system is being developed on the instructions of the US Navy for its deck-based aircraft, however, if successful, it can be adopted by the ground forces, no one will forbid them.

The NGJ system represents the latest developments in countering threats in the radio range.

The most important and promising for electronic warfare is the 2–18 GHz band, R&D for which is carried out as part of the first stage of the program. Most of the known detection, guidance, target designation and control radars operate in this range. weapons air defense systems of various countries of the world. Including ours, of course.

The second phase of development is dedicated to the lower frequency range, 0,2-2 GHz. Some detection radars and communication systems also work here.

The third and last stage is work in the 18-40 GHz range, this range is considered very promising today and it is on it that the developers of the latest air defense systems are looking. In addition, it is in this range that radar seekers and remote radio fuses of missiles operate.

High hopes are pinned on the NGJ system, because in case of successful work on its creation, a real new generation system will be obtained, capable of much:

1. High energy potential, approximately 10 times higher than that of the AN / ALQ-99 system.
2. The ability to work simultaneously on several radio-electronic means located at a distance from each other.
3. The possibility of adaptive electronic suppression.
4. Open system architecture and modularity.

It is clear that the simultaneous suppression of several RES at different positions is provided by broadband antennas with phased arrays. It is with their help that it will be possible to form several beams of the radiation pattern of signals different in frequency, structure and polarization. The number of simultaneously jammed RES will depend on the types of electronic means, operating modes, positions relative to the aircraft with electronic jamming. But technically nothing is impossible, the main thing here is the creation of such an AFAR that will best meet the specified conditions.

Here, however, lies another nuance, which is still silent in American sources. This is the hardware base.

In general, the NGJ system is planned to be made with such a high power output due to solid state amplifiers based on gallium nitride GaN as part of monolithic integrated circuits. Currently, APAA uses signal amplifiers based on gallium arsenide GaAs, which are significantly inferior in terms of power to amplifiers based on gallium nitride.

However, here lies the devil: gallium nitride amplifiers require more powerful power sources. The 27 kW generated by the F-35 turbines is clearly not enough to provide the proper amount of energy required for the normal functioning of the NGJ EW system. Even today's standard AN/ALQ-99 system, in its truncated form, operates at the limit of the aircraft's power system.

Yes, Northrop-Grumman is running a new generation of free-flow turbines called HIRAT (High-power Ram Air Turbine) that will be able to provide the missing kilowatts of power, but this is also a new development with all the ensuing consequences.

But nevertheless, over time, all problems can be solved. And then the appearance of the NGJ system for the beginning on aircraft will allow the United States to make a significant technological breakthrough in the field of creating electronic warfare systems. And, of course, if successful, the NGJ system can become the basic basis for the development of other electronic warfare equipment for various purposes and basing.

Speaking of the F-35 as the base aircraft of the US Air Force (and the Navy too), it can be predicted that the solution to the problem of energy supply and the appearance of the NGJ system in service will make the F-35 a very breakthrough aircraft with a great future prospect, not least from -for an electronic warfare complex capable of solving many problems.

And here, the emergence of a replacement for the Growler is quite normal: an electronic warfare aircraft based on the F-35В with the NGJ system and the ability to place system components that are currently under development on a suspension in separate modular containers.

That is, an electronic warfare aircraft based on the F-35B will be able to carry containers with equipment for low (0,2-2 GHz), medium (2-18 GHz) and high (18-40 GHz) transmitters/jammers.

In general, there are certain doubts that even the latest generation of HIRAT turbines will be able to provide energy for the normal operation of the on-board electronic warfare system and three containers on a sling, but even 1-2 containers, or 4 containers on a pair of aircraft integrated into a modern layered combat system, will make it possible to solve many tasks to ensure successful support for the actions of both aviation and ground units.

Naturally, it means in terms of electronic warfare.


In this regard, the F-35 aircraft (no matter what letter) is a rather interesting platform both for combat use and for further development in terms of modernization.

At the present time, with a truncated electronic warfare complex, the Lightning can hardly be considered as promising a fighter as one might imagine. However, when all work on the modernization and modification of the aircraft is carried out precisely in terms of electronic equipment, it will be a very dangerous and promising machine. Even without the stealth effect.

Sources:
R.L. Mikhailov "Electronic Warfare in the US Armed Forces"
A. I. Kupriyanov, L. N. Shustov “Electronic warfare. Fundamentals of the theory.
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  1. -18
    28 June 2023 04: 04
    How many goodies. Golden Sivka-Burka. No one will use IT on the front line. Too expensive and dangerous. A couple of test runs - bravura reports - and cut the loot.
    1. +18
      28 June 2023 06: 28
      Very informative thanks. At VO, such articles are now rare.
    2. -5
      28 June 2023 07: 56
      The bullshit is that the F-35 can only carry these sweets on an external sling. At the same time, stealth merges into the sewer, and without stealth, it’s not a very good flying (aerodynamics are sacrificed for that very stealth) light bomber, capable, if it’s completely suppressed, somehow try to pretend to be a fighter. In my non-professional opinion, it would be more correct to attach such containers to the F-16 or F-18, and save the F-35 for those operations where stealth will be the main trump card.
      1. +2
        28 June 2023 15: 42
        Quote: Nagan
        The bullshit is that the F-35 can only carry these sweets on an external sling. At the same time, stealth merges into the sewer

        What kind of stealth can we generally talk about with a working electronic warfare station? This is not even a ninja crouching in the night, highlighting himself with a flashlight - this is a ninja who launches fireworks. laughing
        Quote: Nagan
        and without stealth, it’s not a very good flying (aerodynamics are sacrificed for that very stealth) light bomber, capable, if it really stops, somehow try to pretend to be a fighter.

        "Close air combat is dead, everything will be decided by missiles at medium and long distances".
        Old Phantom pilot: "Shaw, again !?" laughing
        1. 0
          28 June 2023 19: 29
          I was always touched by this childish naivety - "invisible aircraft" - this is hoo - ho - ho))) and when you start to explain to people that these miracle - airplanes (because the cost is monstrous) have reduced radar - visibility, only in frontal projection, and in all others it is perfectly visible. And who said that the enemy has only one radar? Children are offended - you don’t understand anything, you are lying)))
          1. +1
            28 June 2023 20: 50
            Quote: TermNachTER
            And who said that the enemy has only one radar?

            And who screwed up this one radar station?
            1. +4
              28 June 2023 22: 35
              F-35 and F-22 aircraft are very advanced and dangerous for us, especially in the current state of our VVS-VKS. To deny these obvious things is stupidity bordering on betrayal.
              There will be a maximum of 57 of our Su-10s in the Air Force in the next few years, and against the background of eight hundred F-35s and two hundred F-22s, this is nothing, especially since the Su-57 is much more unfinished than the F-35
        2. +2
          28 June 2023 20: 49
          Quote: Alexey RA
          "Close air combat is dead, everything will be decided by missiles at medium and long distances."
          Old Phantom Pilot: "Sho, again!?"

          Don't worry. Now people are just working to clarify the issue of air combat in modern conditions. The penguins are not yet visible, but to start a conversation, the falcons will do.
  2. +7
    28 June 2023 04: 08
    Didn't understand a good half wassat but very interesting
    Article - good
    1. +7
      28 June 2023 04: 29
      Quote: tTshka
      I didn’t understand a good half of wassat, but it’s very interesting)))

      It is a pity that there are no articles by Damantsev. There, half of the incomprehensible would turn into two-thirds, and "very interesting" would also become "very disturbing!")))
      P.S. His articles were of interest to me.
      1. +5
        28 June 2023 04: 46
        Look for Damantsev on the website https://eadaily.com/ru/, where he has an author's column.
      2. +4
        28 June 2023 08: 48
        It is a pity that there are no articles by Damantsev. There, half of the incomprehensible would turn into two-thirds, and "very interesting" would also become "very disturbing!")))
        Obviously, Damantsev was tired of constant criticism in his address, especially for the oversaturation of the text with foreign abbreviations, he was offended and left. Let's hope that "he flew away, but promised to return."
  3. +3
    28 June 2023 04: 54
    You can write three volumes of all sorts of explanations with and without using different scientific terms and check it all in the first battle - the confrontation of the same F-22 and F-35 with the same S-400 ...
    And we will immediately see who is the pianist here, and who went out to blow into the saxophone ...
    1. +2
      28 June 2023 07: 27
      Impact equipment is becoming smarter, more dangerous and very expensive.
      Accordingly, the technique that opposes it develops at the same pace, faster / slower, it doesn’t matter ... purely technical lag / dominance does not last long, and then everything depends on various objective factors ...
      In short, often, it was not about the woman, but about .... in general, it's understandable.
    2. +3
      28 June 2023 11: 29
      and check it all in the first battle - the confrontation of the same F-22 and F-35 with the same S-400

      Hmm, what are they doing in Syria? We have already checked, the result is one F16, however, it is highly modernized.
      It would seem that already in Syria in the 80s of the 20th century they checked so that they should no longer want to, and Assad's dad did not do well, but ..
      1. +4
        28 June 2023 20: 44
        Quote: Wildcat
        Checked already, the result is one F16,

        There was an S-200.
        Quote: Wildcat
        albeit heavily modernized.

        There is a question for the pilot. The Israeli Air Force also has gouges, unfortunately.
      2. 0
        29 June 2023 23: 40
        Quote: Wildcat
        and check it all in the first battle - the confrontation of the same F-22 and F-35 with the same S-400

        ...
        It would seem that already in Syria in the 80s of the 20th century they checked so that they should no longer want to ...

        In the 80s of the 20th century, nothing was "checked" in Syria, nothing was checked.
  4. -8
    28 June 2023 05: 41
    This is of course an interesting topic, but all this is ballty ballty ..
    In the current economic situation, the United States would not fall apart until 2040, and remain at least a country of the 2nd world .. And this will be a success.
    And not the latest radars and electronic warfare systems.
    All this is extremely expensive, and for a war with an enemy of a comparable level, there are exactly 2 RF and China on the planet. Not with the Russian Federation, not with China, the states will not fight. This means that they do not need such weapons, especially in large numbers. So that's how it's marked.
    1. +7
      28 June 2023 06: 54
      All this is extremely expensive, and for a war with an enemy of a comparable level, there are exactly 2 RF and China on the planet. Not with the Russian Federation, not with China, the states will not fight. This means that they do not need such weapons, especially in large numbers. So that's how it's marked.

      In general, I agree, but there is a BUT ...
      For the development of technology - something must be done. Jumping doesn't work. A serious research and technological base is being developed. And technology tends to get cheaper...
      The fact that earlier a cell phone was the size of a brick, costing the weight of gold, and without the capabilities of a smartphone - only says that in order for affordable smartphones to appear, it was necessary to practice on bricks ...
    2. +4
      28 June 2023 11: 30
      Quote: EXPrompt
      In the current economic situation, the United States would not fall apart

      Military-industrial complex companies in the United States are private, and are quite capable of financing development themselves if there is a potential buyer.
      1. +1
        28 June 2023 19: 32
        Just don’t need to replicate the old mattress fairy tale about effective private owners))) they also sit on the State Order, like everywhere else, only their appetites are “wider”, because the budget is huge.
        1. -2
          28 June 2023 22: 30
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Just don’t replicate the old mattress fairy tale about effective private owners)))

          Do you have examples of more efficient public offices than private ones? Officials have never dealt with finances more effectively than a private one, which does not count state money, but counts its own money. And the fact that the military-industrial complex concerns hang on state orders is, as it were, logical, since the army is state-owned and it needs weapons.
          1. 0
            29 June 2023 23: 55
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Quote: TermNachTER
            Just don’t replicate the old mattress fairy tale about effective private owners)))

            Do you have examples of more efficient public offices than private ones?

            "Come here, sign!"

            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Officials have never dealt with finances more effectively than a private one, which does not count state money, but counts its own money.

            The entire system of financial indicators is directed in favor of the private trader. If a certain private firm receives subsidies (in whatever form) from the government, then that firm will be an efficient private firm. Subsidies for a private office - income. And if a similar state office receives subsidies from the state, then this office will be an inefficient state office. State subsidies are an expense.
          2. 0
            2 December 2023 17: 12
            Everyone steals, private owners no less than state firms, it all depends on the regulatory authorities. The only advantage of the public sector is that they cannot go bankrupt - in theory
        2. 0
          1 July 2023 11: 21
          Because there salaries are not 40 thousand rubles
      2. 0
        29 June 2023 15: 50
        yes, of course, and then the rulers of the sshni increase the public debt of the sshni
  5. -4
    28 June 2023 07: 01
    the author, in his own spirit, advertised the American Pepelats (probably translated their brochures). And he promised "then to deal with the B-52." And what, haven’t they figured it out in Vietnam yet?
  6. +3
    28 June 2023 07: 37
    Yes, well done, in fact, they develop and work out communication technologies and AI, then all this will go to different projects and bring huge profits. They work everything out for the military, they have both a base and funding, and then apply it everywhere. We need to strive for this, that is, brains.
  7. +1
    28 June 2023 08: 57
    Quote: EXPrompt
    In the current economic situation, the United States would not fall apart until 2040, and remain at least a country of the 2nd world .. And this will be a success.

    Sorry for offtopic, but...
    In the thread about the F-16, some ventriloquize about the timing of the end in Ukraine, in this thread you babble about the timing of collapses in the states.
    But the armed rebellion in their own country, leading the hardest struggle for its future (the definition of the Commander-in-Chief) suddenly turned out to be a complete surprise.
    Output.
    We understand little about our own country, then what is all this bleating about others worth?
    It's nothing.
    With all due respect, comrade, but patriotism is love for the Motherland, but in no way is a license for stupidity.
    And without you there is someone to produce it.
  8. +2
    28 June 2023 09: 22
    In the design of the aircraft, wide-range phased antenna arrays were used, which made it possible to significantly reduce the effective scattering surface (ESR).

    What had to be paid for by the very low efficiency of AFAR and PFAR, which led to a lack of even 27 kW of onboard generation. Yes, and the decrease in EPR is far-fetched here - who will check? But the application for the ability to passively detect targets at ranges up to 400 km is serious. This ability can neutralize the advantage of having an OLS on the Su-57.
    Thanks to the author, I look forward to continuing.
    1. +1
      28 June 2023 12: 05
      But the application for the ability to passively detect targets at ranges up to 400 km is serious.
      It only remains to understand, but by what "factor" ??? The radiation of communication systems is one thing, the radiation of a radar is another ... A "multi-megawatt" simple ground-based radar pulse or a complex low-power broadband signal ... and without this, such numbers are nothing!
  9. +5
    28 June 2023 09: 34
    A little more than 10 years have passed since the beginning of the operation of the penguin, as the public began to slip the idea that this was not a degraded F-16, but an armed growler.

    We continue to observe.
    1. +3
      28 June 2023 15: 47
      Quote: Negro
      A little more than 10 years have passed since the beginning of the operation of the penguin, as the public began to slip the idea that this was not a degraded F-16, but an armed growler.

      Not just an armed growler, but subtle armed growler.
      About like inconspicuous beacon. wink
      1. +1
        28 June 2023 19: 31
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Kind of like an inconspicuous beacon.

        good
        By the way, they always forget to say that this "neo-growler" is hardly noticeable only from the nose, but on the side it is not only noticeable - it is also blind - OUR latest fighters have side-scan radars. And mattresses are both noticeable and blind on the side and from the tail
      2. 0
        28 June 2023 20: 41
        Quote: Alexey RA
        stealthy armed growler.

        Yes, the transfer of a target from an air defense system or a fighter to a missile seeker is hindered by both. The weaker the main signal, the more reliably it is blocked by interference.

        But the analogy with the lighthouse, of course, is false. Starting with the fact that the lighthouse is usually one, but there are many planes.
  10. 0
    28 June 2023 09: 58
    It seems that in the modification of the F-35 block 4 there will be a modified electronic warfare station.
  11. -1
    28 June 2023 11: 46
    I wonder if our specialists are far behind in this area? And in general, to look at how American systems work in real battles with an equal opponent
  12. -7
    28 June 2023 12: 02
    let the mattress first teach this stuffed animal to fly, otherwise there - electronic warfare!
    and then some saliva splash with delight from this poker
  13. -1
    28 June 2023 12: 21
    I strongly doubt that the system corresponds to the advertising characteristics, in real life as usual - a huge number of nuances + software developers do not understand the physical principles of what they write code for and as a result, the 1001st firmware is released, which fixes the jambs of the 1000th version and so on ad infinitum, up to the full inoperability.
    I recall a reliably described case when the pilots of the American B-1B bomber, examining our Tu-160 and specifically the electronic warfare system, asked - does it really work for you ?? At the same time, it turned out that on their bombers this system is almost always faulty and in general causes a lot of complaints in repairs.
    I have no doubt about the ability of the Americans to create excellent technology, but reasonable skepticism must be shown. We also don’t slurp cabbage soup, but we graduated from universities with a spoon
  14. -2
    28 June 2023 13: 34
    Quote: futurohunter
    the author, in his own spirit, advertised the American Pepelats (probably translated their brochures). And he promised "then to deal with the B-52." And what, haven’t they figured it out in Vietnam yet?

    Our C75s had already dealt with them, when, after shooting down the Americans with our missiles, the Vietnamese suggested simply arranging 6 barrels of gunpowder in a circle in a cleared clearing in the jungle so that they would not waste missiles on amers, which forced the B-52 pilots to accept this when they saw the explosion of the barrels for rocket launch and ejection
  15. +5
    28 June 2023 14: 32
    And it was clear before, and this article only once again explains why we have been procrastinating our SU-20 fighter for more than 57 years and still have not brought it to mind. This is the absence of its own electronic base and modern technologies for its creation. Americans are easier. They have it all. And it is easier for their engineers and designers, programmers to work and create the ultra stuffing of their aircraft, UAVs, missiles and other high-precision weapons. They have something to do with it all. Our specialists have a very limited choice. Therefore, the United States and AFAR radar, electronic warfare, RER on aircraft and UAVs are more advanced than ours. Their aircraft are better protected and therefore more efficient. To change the situation, we need to raise and develop our electronic industry, materials science, and science. This should be a priority and top priority for our government and country. Without this, we will not be able to do or create anything worthwhile. We will always vegetate and be a third-rate country until we are devoured by our partners and so-called friends.
  16. -3
    28 June 2023 14: 57
    The long distances at which the sensors of the detection system work effectively can allow the pilots of American fighters to see the target before the radar of an enemy aircraft captures the American aircraft.

    What nonsense ... The system is passive, it turns on "after launching towards the aircraft" (c) - the author repeated several times above! - that is, already captured and escorted.
    Well, just a paragraph!
  17. +3
    28 June 2023 15: 09
    Hmm, a sad picture is emerging ... Their goal is to protect each side with their KBO, which, as a result, hello to a powerful group defense system, when the most dangerous targets can be automatically crushed by several stations, or targets will be distributed. And that's not counting specialized aircraft. In Russia, for the most part, aircraft do not have any protection, not to mention the use of onboard electronic warfare as a passive means of detection and target designation. And besides the Su-35 and Su-30, everything else is flying.
  18. 0
    28 June 2023 19: 10
    It would be nice if one of those specialists who design (develop) our aircraft commented on this article. Therefore, I appeal to the editors of Voyennoye Obozreniye with a request to send this article to the Sukhoi Design Bureau with a request to comment on it for relevance in relation to our aircraft and means of combating them. Tell them finally that the readers of your publication want to understand not only what the enemy is doing, but also to see that our engineers also adequately respond to emerging dangers.
    1. -2
      28 June 2023 22: 36
      Quote from usm5
      with a request to send this article to the Sukhoi Design Bureau with a request to comment on it for relevance in relation to our aircraft and means of combating them

      So your wish will be fulfilled, on Zvizda TV, but I'm afraid this is unlikely to give you anything to understand the situation.
      1. 0
        29 June 2023 08: 35
        It is unlikely that this will give you anything to understand the situation.
        You might think that this article gives something! smile For some reason, all the beautiful words about the electronic warfare system through the radar antenna with all its capabilities can be found on Wikipedia in the Sorption section, and this is the first half of the 80s of the last century:
        The station is designed to create active interference in the front and rear hemispheres of the aircraft in terms of range, speed and guidance of enemy radars. The station scans the frequency range, identifies signal sources, their directionality and determines the most dangerous from all sources. It emits the following types of interference: targeted by scanning frequency, high-frequency noise, rebroadcast signal with the addition of Doppler noise, decoys by side lobes. The station works against 2 pulse or quasi-continuous RES, and 10 continuous RES.
        The station operates in the wavelength range of 3 cm. In this range (8-12 GHz), many airborne radars for tracking and target illumination, as well as some ground-based REMs of a similar purpose, operate. The energy potential of the station is 1 kW. Antennas radiate to the front and rear hemispheres of the aircraft.
        The station on the Su-27 is located in two removable hanging containers at the wingtips, on launchers No. 7 and No. 8. The weight of the container is 200 kg, length 4.2 m, diameter 0.3 m. Power consumption 4.2 kW.
        1. -2
          29 June 2023 21: 26
          Quote: Hexenmeister
          This is the first half of the 80s of the last century:

          Is it the F-22, and even more so the F-35, the first half of the 80s of the last century? Then what can you say about the Su-35, which is in service? An article about the combat capabilities of the F-35 and its AFAR, no more, no less. In my opinion, it is precisely such articles that have a place on this site, and not all sorts of nonsense from amateurs who love to scribble articles about "problems and cuts" of the US Navy and Air Force
          1. 0
            30 June 2023 09: 16
            Is it the F-22, and even more so the F-35, the first half of the 80s of the last century?
            Read carefully, in the early 80s there was already a system in the hardware, the main features of which, the Americans repeated on their F-xx !!!
            Then what can you say about the Su-35, which is in service?
            I can only give data from open sources wink
            An article about the combat capabilities of the F-35 and its AFAR, no more, no less.
            And my opinion is that this article is a repetition of advertising slogans, although something useful can be "pulled" out of them, but only once and not for everyone.
  19. -2
    28 June 2023 19: 52
    frequency band receiver 2-40 GHz;
    interference transmitters in the 2-18 GHz and 20-40 GHz bands;
    What is happening with the pilot's brains while the entire electronic warfare system as a whole is operating at the same time can only be guessed at. Oncology is just one of the consequences, not to mention the psyche of a living beingwassat
  20. +1
    28 June 2023 20: 20
    Well, specific energy intensity would be a revolution in itself for many devices, for the same unmanned air and sea systems, not only for aircraft.
    But not yet, but ... They work, they are looking for.
    And gallium nitride on amplifiers is also an advanced thing - the 21st century is the same.
    But investing everything in these qualities for the main combat aircraft: invisibility, early detection and suppression is reckless, as a rule, these "trump cards" are beaten after a while, but the glider g ... and upgrading it, starting with something else, it will make little sense .
  21. -1
    29 June 2023 12: 46
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Very informative thanks. At VO, such articles are now rare.

    Support.
    Good article, with interesting technical details.
  22. +2
    29 June 2023 23: 33
    INEWS uses a DRFM radio frequency storage device that can process received signals both at carrier and at intermediate frequencies, analyze their spectral characteristics and generate interference with high accuracy.

    DRFM only stores signals, it cannot process and analyze their spectral characteristics and generate DRFM interference.

    DRFM is primarily useful when using expendable countermeasures such as chaff and IR traps.

    DRFM is not needed when using expendable countermeasures.

    Since about 1 billion US dollars was spent on the creation of INEWS, and the cost of the serial kit was about 6 million dollars, it is natural that only a large series of production could “recapture” R&D.

    However, the cost of the F-22 as a whole exceeded all reasonable limits, which, in the conditions of the financial crisis, led to a significant reduction in the entire Raptor production program.

    No. When the F-22 was created, electronic warfare for such an aircraft did not exist at all, and electronic warfare was not provided for on the F-22. INEWS (Russian analogue - "Himalayas") requires the use of the concept of "smart skin" in the airframe, which requires a significant alteration of the F-22 airframe. No one has dared to remake the glider.

    The system works in such a way that the generated jamming signal is fed to the AFAR radar of the aircraft and thus it turns out to provide a very high supply of suppression energy to the source target.

    You just have to choose - either work as a radar station, or work as an electronic warfare.

    Now, as for the setting of active jamming with the help of APG-77 ... Technically, everything is very simple. AN / ALR-94 (of course, and AN / ASQ-239 can do it) ..., generates interference, and using part of the AFAR cells, forms a very narrow beam (up to 2 degrees),

    No, that won't work. A very narrow beam of 2 degrees can only be obtained by using all PPM HEADLIGHTS with a uniform amplitude-phase distribution. Any difference from this will increase the angle.

    The most important and promising for electronic warfare is the 2–18 GHz range, R&D for which is carried out as part of the first stage of the program. Most of the well-known radars for detection, guidance, target designation and weapon control of air defense systems of various countries of the world operate in this range. Including ours, of course.

    The second phase of development is dedicated to the lower frequency range, 0,2-2 GHz. Some detection radars and communication systems also work here.

    The third and last stage is work in the 18-40 GHz range, this range is considered very promising today.

    Separation by element base. For 2-18 GHz, everything is simple - GaAs or GaN, for 0,2-2 GHz these are no longer the best options, and for 18-40 GHz it is not at all easy. EMNIP, 2-18 GHz was blocked by two antenna arrays.

    27 kW generated by F-35 turbines uniquely

    The F-35 does not have turbines to generate electricity.

    Even today's standard AN/ALQ-99 system, in its truncated form, operates at the limit of the aircraft's power system.

    AN / ALQ-99 and NGJ have their own, independent of aircraft power supply systems.

    The AN / ASQ-239 Barracuda complex has two more radiating antennas. A number of experts believe that these are S-band antennas, 2-4 GHz, located in the toe of the wing, also designed to jam,

    There are no "two more radiating antennas" in the toe of the wing. A number of experts have interpreted the "Emitter Locathingas "Emitter Locat"ion"
  23. 0
    1 July 2023 11: 31
    This is one aircraft, and if you take the system, then this is drones for cover and reconnaissance such as Kratos, avax, satellites, etc. then this is a serious force and underestimate and throw hats on this betrayal!
  24. -1
    3 August 2023 21: 24
    Only combat is a criterion for the truth of what is written in the article ... And everything else is "from the evil one" or from the advertiser ... Regarding airborne electronic warfare equipment (holy-holy) of any aircraft combat vehicles: a lot of smoke - fog to mislead the enemy. .. Remember all the "printed "horrors" about Reigon's means of a space war with Russia? So, 98% of these" horrors "were banal" fakes ", to disorient the military-industrial complex of the USSR, nothing more than to draw it (USSR) into another arms race ... There is hope that the SVR and the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces have already dotted the "i" in this matter in closed reports .....
  25. 0
    1 September 2023 16: 37
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Very informative thank you. Such articles are now rare in VO

    Support!
    Interesting article, a lot of useful information, good presentation.
    It’s a pity that such texts are almost never published on other resources.