Written off, handed over and lost: the negative consequences of aid to Ukraine for NATO countries

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Written off, handed over and lost: the negative consequences of aid to Ukraine for NATO countries
Ukrainian foreign-made armored vehicles in the sights of a Russian Ka-52 helicopter. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation


NATO countries have been providing the Kyiv regime with active military-technical assistance for a long time and actually support it in this regard. Regularly and in significant quantities, equipment, weapons and ammunition of various classes and types are sent to Ukraine for use against the Russian army. At the same time, the vast majority of such deliveries are carried out by disarming our own units and / or emptying warehouses. Another problem is the extremely low efficiency of foreign weapons in the hands of Ukrainian forces. All this can have serious economic, political and military consequences.



Written off and transferred


Programs of military, technical and economic support for Ukraine are costly for NATO countries, primarily the United States. Just a few months ago, their total spending in this context exceeded $100 billion. Other countries of the Alliance have allocated smaller amounts, but the share of such costs in their budget may be much higher. At the same time, NATO does not plan to stop, and therefore it should be expected that the costs of individual countries and the organization as a whole will continue to grow.

The main direction of support for the Kyiv regime is the supply of military products, primarily from the presence of its own armies. As a result of these processes, the fleets and arsenals of NATO countries have been noticeably reduced, and the continuation of deliveries will lead to the continuation of this trend. At the same time, replenishment of such “losses” takes time and money.

Curious statistics on deliveries and their impact on the state of foreign armies was recently published by the well-known resource LostArmour. Based on open data, its authors calculated what the parks and arsenals of foreign armies were like, how much materiel was transferred to Ukraine, and what share it was. By now, this information is partly outdated, but the main trends remain the same.


Destruction of Soviet-style equipment. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

So, in the recent past, NATO countries had a total of more than 8,8 thousand people. tanks. Ukraine was given approx. 480 cars - about 5% of the total. The fleet of NATO infantry fighting vehicles has been reduced by more than 500 vehicles or approx. 4%. Out of 23,6 thousand armored personnel carriers, 1 thousand were given away - approx. 4%.

Self-propelled artillery in the amount of 3,95 thousand units. reduced by the same 4%. The number of towed systems with a caliber of less than 122 mm and mortars transferred to NATO was reduced by only 300 units, and this amounted to only 2% of the total. For towed guns with a caliber of more than 122 mm, a record share of 8% was achieved (260 units out of 3,25 thousand). The transferred rocket artillery in the form of 84 MLRS is 5%. At the level of 8% of its own fleet, anti-aircraft missile systems were allocated, with the exception of portable ones.

It is noteworthy that the shares of "losses" of different countries differ greatly. Thus, the United States, despite all the promises, has not yet sent its tanks to Ukraine. At the same time, Poland decommissioned and transferred 41% of its MBTs. Individual countries, such as the Czech Republic or Slovenia, have shipped as many tanks as the active fleet. You should also remember Denmark, which gave Kyiv all its self-propelled guns, incl. already ordered but not yet received.

Attention should be paid to how the composition of foreign aid packages has changed. At first, Western European countries and the United States removed from service or storage only infantry weapons. Then the Eastern European states began to send equipment and other Soviet-style equipment to Kyiv. They began to switch to weapons and armored vehicles of NATO standards later.


A moment before the tank was hit by loitering ammunition, filming from an attacking UAV. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

The United States and NATO intend to continue military-technical support for the Kyiv regime. New deliveries of this or that materiel are expected, both already announced and just planned. In addition, they talk about a fundamental expansion of the product range. In particular, the transfer of NATO aircraft is expected. As before, the main part of such deliveries will be carried out at the expense of the disarmament of foreign armies. The share of specially manufactured products will remain small.

Tainted reputation


The Russian army is successfully continuing the forced demilitarization of Ukraine. In the first weeks and months of this process, the overwhelming majority of the materiel that Kyiv inherited during the collapse of the USSR and received in recent years was destroyed. Then the process of destroying Soviet-style equipment and weapons, transferred in the first aid packages, began.

To date, the old materiel, both available and received from abroad, has suffered critical losses. One of the reasons for this was its moral and physical obsolescence. T-72 tanks of old modifications, MiG-29 aircraft of early versions, etc., the use of which was ensured by no less old means, actually had no chance against modern Russian weapons.

Foreign patrons assumed that the newer NATO-style equipment could make a difference, but these hopes did not materialize. So, modern M777 towed guns, with all the advantages, have retained all the inherent disadvantages of non-self-propelled systems. Corrected missiles of foreign MLRS / HIMARS MLRS turned out to be an easy target for Russian air defense.


The defeat of the Finnish armored personnel carrier XA-180. Photo UNM DNR

In recent weeks, the confrontation between Russian and NATO weapons has manifested itself especially clearly. So, with the help of modern strike weapons, modern Patriot, NASAMS or IRIS-T air defense systems were disabled or destroyed, and some of them actually had no chance of salvation. Of particular interest are the recent losses of German Leopard 2 tanks of current modifications and American BMP M2 Bradley. Together with combat vehicles, the enemy lost a significant part of engineering equipment from the fire of the Russian army.

The loss of modern NATO materiel can no longer be explained by obsolescence. Leopard 2s or Patriots are actively marketed as modern and efficient models, and such an explanation will hit their commercial potential. However, from this point of view, destruction on the battlefield is also a blow, which, moreover, becomes an advertisement for Russian systems and complexes.

In the near future, the United States promises to transfer its M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. After the failed debut of the German Leopard 2, such a move looks ambiguous. Several foreign countries are going to supply F-16 fighter jets. There is every reason to believe that such assistance will also turn out to be useless, and these aircraft will add to the already considerable list of losses of the Ukrainian Air Force.

Big politics


For a long time, fears have been expressed about the possible military intervention of NATO in current events. It is assumed that against the backdrop of the collapse of the Kyiv regime, the Alliance may enter into an open conflict with Russia. However, the events and processes observed now show that foreign countries should not do this - such steps can have the most serious consequences.


Broken self-propelled guns AHS Krab. Photo Lostarmour.info

According to open information, to date, NATO countries have given Ukraine no more than 4-5 percent. from the total number of their tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled guns, guns, aviation technology, etc. The vast majority of materiel remains in service or in storage. However, the quantitative indicators of the armies should not be directly translated into qualitative ones and, on their basis, the military potential of the Alliance should be assessed.

During the preparation of assistance packages for the Kyiv regime, it turned out that in a number of countries the state of parks and arsenals leaves much to be desired. A limited number of equipment and weapons were in active operation, and a significant part of them required repair. In addition, not in all cases we are talking about modern samples, regardless of the country of their production.

In recent weeks and months, the Russian army has clearly shown that it can counteract foreign materiel, fight it and successfully destroy it. Even the most perfect and advertised samples were not an exception.

Under such conditions, it will be quite difficult to recruit a full-fledged grouping of troops for an effective confrontation with the Russian army, even with the forces of a large number of countries. In addition, the potential of such a grouping, which, as it turned out, is not equipped with the most effective weapons and equipment, is a big question. It will be extremely difficult for her to resist the Russian army, which has modern materiel and combat experience, incl. experience in dealing with foreign models and tactics.


A well-known episode - an attempt at a "counterattack" ended in a rout. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Successive demilitarization


To date, the Russian armed forces have almost completely destroyed the military potential, parks and arsenals of the Ukrainian formations mod. 2021-22 In addition, great damage was done to the enemy's military infrastructure. Now the Kiev regime is actually on the payroll of foreign partners, and its capabilities are determined mainly by their help and supplies.

NATO countries have by now sent several percent of their equipment and weapons of various classes to Ukraine. A significant part of this aid has already been destroyed, and such processes are successfully continuing. This means that Kyiv needs new aid packages with a variety of materiel, otherwise it will lose all possibility of resistance.

The United States and NATO as a whole are ready to continue supplying Ukrainian formations and even expand the range of supplies. However, now such assistance will lead to a reduction in the Alliance's own potential. Moreover, some of its members are already left without certain types of equipment.

Thus, the demilitarization of Ukraine turned into the disarmament and neutralization of the NATO bloc. Given his plans for Russia and regular aggressive steps, such processes cannot be called negative. According to their results, the Alliance may face a serious failure in combat capability. It is possible that this will force him to moderate his ambitions, at least for a while.
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  1. +1
    19 June 2023 04: 31
    There are many more cons. Firstly, 4-5% is from the entire park, incl. in storage. And they transmit - able to move. I explain: even if the equipment is taken from conservation, in order to bring it into a combat-ready form, the time of repairmen is wasted, that is, their active fleet is reduced, and radically. In the time it takes to bring a car from a cemetery into a divine form, THEN you can make a good ten active OWN desks, that is, the math is generally this: 1 car from a warehouse in Ukraine - minus 10 of your own.
    And the main disadvantage of Europe is not at all in this. A small, relatively small war in Yugoslavia - simply flooded Europe from Italy to Scandinavia, inclusive, with weapons and gangs with these weapons. And now compare the volumes: zero weapons along the Yugoslavia-Europe route and back - and flows to Ukraine and back for repairs for a year. There are no longer machine guns with grenades for a long time, but ATGMs with MANPADS, and this has already been recorded. Selling, for example, Javelins with dill - and to the same Albanians. Where are they now? And they bought them for what - to hang on the wall?
    1. +2
      19 June 2023 07: 21
      Quote from Bingo
      There are many more cons. Firstly, 4-5% is from the entire park, incl. in storage. And they transmit - able to move. I explain: even if the equipment is taken from conservation, in order to bring it into a combat-ready form, the time of repairmen is wasted, that is, their active fleet is reduced, and radically. In the time it takes to bring a car from a cemetery into a divine form, THEN you can make a good ten active OWN desks, that is, the math is generally this: 1 car from a warehouse in Ukraine - minus 10 of your own.
      And the main disadvantage of Europe is not at all in this. A small, relatively small war in Yugoslavia - simply flooded Europe from Italy to Scandinavia, inclusive, with weapons and gangs with these weapons. And now compare the volumes: zero weapons along the Yugoslavia-Europe route and back - and flows to Ukraine and back for repairs for a year. There are no longer machine guns with grenades for a long time, but ATGMs with MANPADS, and this has already been recorded. Selling, for example, Javelins with dill - and to the same Albanians. Where are they now? And they bought them for what - to hang on the wall?

      After all, everything is relative ... instead of the given one, most of the countries ordered completely new and modern machines ... this despite the fact that 95% of the equipment of the NATO countries still remains ... but you should understand that they are in no hurry, even if this equipment is ready in 5 years (those by 2028, when it should be done according to plans), how much will our aircraft restore potential? If you look at the oryx data, our country has lost 2047 tanks to date (1282 burned out completely, 541 captured) and 890 infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers (574 burned out, 266 captured) ... even if only half is true, this is more supplies for the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... in other words, today the RF Armed Forces are a less dangerous adversary in a non-nuclear conflict for NATO countries than on February 23.02.2023, 113 ... I wouldn’t really look at the colossal amounts of assistance either, most of these expenses are the conditional cost of equipment ... take the USA - what the delivered M-2 cost for the US budget (from storage ) and M2aXNUMX (from storage, this is already a backup modification) in real money, and not according to accounting? ....
      1. +3
        19 June 2023 08: 45
        A small correction, on that portal it is written about the losses recorded on the photo / video: 890 armored combat vehicles, 2412 infantry fighting vehicles, 315 armored personnel carriers.

        In general, it is not correct to compare the delivered equipment and our lost one. The stationed one is fighting, ours is not. With the exception of the damaged, but returned to service back.
        1. -3
          19 June 2023 10: 16
          Quote from cold wind
          A small correction, on that portal it is written about the losses recorded on the photo / video: 890 armored combat vehicles, 2412 infantry fighting vehicles, 315 armored personnel carriers.

          In general, it is not correct to compare the delivered equipment and our lost one. The stationed one is fighting, ours is not. With the exception of the damaged, but returned to service back.



          You correctly pointed out that the resource counts only on photo / video evidence of lost equipment ... from the attached screenshots it can be seen that they counted exactly 2047 tanks and 890 armored vehicles ...
          Regarding the fact that it is not correct to compare, why? Our equipment does not participate in the SVO? After all, I am comparing the fleet of equipment of the NATO countries and ours. Even if oryx is lying in 2 out of 3 cases, the process of disarmament of NATO countries is slower than in our country, which is in absolute numbers, which is in% ...
          1. +4
            19 June 2023 10: 31
            Scroll the site below.
            Armored Fighting Vehicles - AFV
            Infantry Fighting Vehicles - BMP
            Armored Personnel Carriers - APCs
      2. 0
        19 June 2023 15: 10
        Apparently they pay you a penny at the TsIPSO, well, as much as you can at V.O. zradu for Russia to unwind. As soon as you start writing something, you are immediately visible, your comments are immediately clear. No need to refer that you have a higher economic education, and then write texts with monstrous spelling errors, your monotonous texts and stereotyped conclusions, solid clichés about Russia, its Army and People. You may not know, but here you can go to the user's profile and read all the comments that you write here, go somewhere else to cry for 100500 thousand destroyed tanks and billions of killed Buryats, I'm already sick of you honestly.
  2. 0
    19 June 2023 06: 05
    The alliance may face a serious failure in combat capability. It is possible that this will force him to moderate his ambitions, at least for a while.
    The question is ... what will be the consequences of this muddiedness ???
    Yes, FIG knows, although to say that it will definitely not be the same as before, yes, there is almost no doubt!
    1. +1
      19 June 2023 06: 33
      Quote: rocket757
      The question is ... what will be the consequences of this muddied?

      In general, none. Theoretically, it is possible to return sanity to the military structures of NATO, but so far there is no reason to talk about this.
      Quote: rocket757
      that it won't be like before

      For whom?
      1. 0
        19 June 2023 09: 26
        Just the option when only at the end of the event it will be possible to understand what and for whom to change.
        Why guess when you can wait and see.
        1. 0
          22 June 2023 19: 51
          Quote: rocket757
          Why guess when you can wait and see.

          Well, I disagree with you here.
          If you wait and see, then you lose the most important thing in life - time. Yes, yes, if you wait, then do nothing at the same time and mark time without any action when it is necessary, for example, to quickly decide something for the future.
          And then they will poke their noses - "And you could have predicted, or taken care of, well, finally decided promptly in those days." And it will be like now about import substitution. That is, the time was lost during which it was necessary to really decide something, react, foresee, and all this is purely on the logic of current actions and predict the future and take it now, and not later when it clicks. Yes, it is not easy to predict and analyze the future, but it is worth it and even a mistake is not always critical, and some moments can be covered up.
          It is necessary to proceed from the fact that it will not be the same as before and the world will change radically, and how it will change already depends on all the participants in this world, and whoever tries more in his direction will win. But I repeat, waiting and going with the flow that someone else creates is a gross mistake for yourself and your descendants.
  3. -3
    19 June 2023 06: 10
    NATO has supplied and will continue to supply its APU pack even with blood from hemorrhoids. Europe about cheap gas and the industry began to demand more costs, Europe about loved its statehood, but it is not possible to recognize this. Therefore, only help to those deprived of tyam in their struggle for freedom to love Bandera, bend under the United States and fight for useful values.
    1. +4
      19 June 2023 06: 35
      Quote: saigon
      Europe about poop cheap gas

      What is the price of gas now and in winter BEFORE the start of the NWO?
      Quote: saigon
      Europe loved its statehood

      The statehood of Europe blossoms and smells, perhaps even too much.
  4. -2
    19 June 2023 06: 31
    Programs of military, technical and economic support for Ukraine are costly for NATO countries, primarily the United States. ...

    Obviously, Ukraine will not be able to pay for this support from the West, which incurs colossal costs. NATO countries assume that they are making profitable investments in order to receive high profits in the future.
    All this means: if Russia loses in this NWO, then all the expenses of the West (plus interest) will be returned by Russian citizens.
    We must win, otherwise our civilization will disappear.
    1. +3
      19 June 2023 08: 27
      Quote: AA17
      which incurs enormous costs.

      These expenses are less than 1% of GDP. The United States spent more on Afghanistan. They can bear such expenses forever.
      Quote: AA17
      We must win, otherwise our civilization will disappear.

      With what fright will it disappear? laughing Another war for the wild field, there were dozens of them. For Russia, this war means nothing. Here its continuation is extremely dangerous.
      1. +8
        19 June 2023 08: 38
        Quote from cold wind
        These expenses are less than 1% of GDP. The United States spent more on Afghanistan. They can bear such expenses forever.

        What is there 1% of GDP, okstites. 1% of US GDP is $20 billion a month. Spent a year and a half a couple of tenths of a percent.

        And most of this money remains in the United States: in Ukraine, we see mostly junk, which goes to the landfill anyway. Of the new there, except that the means of destruction, there are few of them.
        1. +3
          19 June 2023 12: 19
          hi
          Some unenthusiastic No. way of thinking.

          So close to denying the facts request freezing of Europe, the collapse of the dollar, the death of a French general with Zaluzhny and Budanov in an embrace, the decline of Europe and the collapse of the United States.

          And you can also begin to deny that even the Yellowstone volcano and the San Andreas Fault are for us fellow .
  5. +2
    19 June 2023 06: 34
    To date, NATO countries have given Ukraine no more than 4-5 percent. from the total number of their tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled guns, guns, aircraft, etc.
    Another 95% is available, which means there is something to strive for when providing assistance to Ukraine and, as it was stated in time, "as much as necessary."
    The Alliance may face a serious failure in combat capability
    But not as fast as we would like. But NATO will not moderate its ambitions, and judging by individual statements, these ambitions are only growing.
    1. +7
      19 June 2023 06: 49
      Quote: rotmistr60
      To date, NATO countries have given Ukraine no more than 4-5 percent. from the total number of their tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled guns, guns, aircraft, etc.

      They have a wave of orders for modern equipment. Poland takes Abrams 2 SEP3 and K-2 instead of tees. Germans, Czechs, Slovaks and Norwegians ordered Leo-2A8. There are orders for artillery, air defense and aviation.
      The Alliance may face a serious failure in combat capability

      They just aren't in a hurry. According to their most conservative estimates, the b / d will last at least another 2 years. Moreover, they do not see today the military potential of the RA to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And the loss of the Ukrainian 20-25% of the pre-war territory does not really bother them.
      1. +2
        19 June 2023 09: 38
        They have a wave of orders for modern equipment. Poland takes Abrams 2 SEP3 and K-2 instead of tees. Germans, Czechs, Slovaks and Norwegians ordered Leo-2A8. There are orders for artillery, air defense and aviation.

        The question is different - at whose expense is this banquet? After all, the order - it seems like it implies payment? And all these charms - oh, how not cheap .. The same Poles - obviously bite off a piece not according to their financial capabilities. And this will inevitably come around in the very near future ..
        1. 0
          19 June 2023 10: 23
          Quote: paul3390
          They have a wave of orders for modern equipment. Poland takes Abrams 2 SEP3 and K-2 instead of tees. Germans, Czechs, Slovaks and Norwegians ordered Leo-2A8. There are orders for artillery, air defense and aviation.

          The question is different - at whose expense is this banquet? After all, the order - it seems like it implies payment? And all these charms - oh, how not cheap .. The same Poles - obviously bite off a piece not according to their financial capabilities. And this will inevitably come around in the very near future ..

          For the sake of interest, type in any search engine “Poland purchased tanks 2021” and you will find out that the contracts are planned ... those issues were calculated and resolved even before the SVO, and the transfer of equipment theoretically only reduces the costs of this business (transferred T72 and PT-91 need not be maintained before receipt new technology) ... in other words, it’s like a mantra, about “industry will die and Europe will freeze without our gas” (look at gas prices now and in 2021, now it has fallen to spring-summer 2021 prices ...)
          1. 0
            22 June 2023 20: 19
            Quote: parma
            look at gas prices now and in 2021, now it has fallen to spring-summer 2021 prices

            Well, yes, why did they fall.
            Yes, everything is simple:
            - The economy is falling because the volatile industry is falling, which, by magic, moves the US to the US.
            - The population was forced to save gas, that is, with the world on a string and less costs, and this worsens the social sphere of people and increases gas prices for them.
            - Other energy resources such as coal are introduced, and even firewood (Gretta Tumberg is not on them), which also reduces gas consumption and green energy helps a little.
            - They save gas for the winter and don’t buy much, because the gas storages are not badly filled, although not enough. Warm winter also adjusted purchases.

            But this does not mean that gas will remain the same in price for a long time. It all depends on the wave of a magic wand (someone), the blocking of the Ukrainian pipe, the increase in prices for other energy sources, and much more.
  6. +2
    19 June 2023 08: 40
    So, in the recent past, the NATO countries had a total of more than 8,8 thousand tanks. Ukraine was given approx. 480 cars - about 5% of the total. The fleet of NATO infantry fighting vehicles has been reduced by more than 500 vehicles or approx. 4%. Out of 23,6 thousand armored personnel carriers, 1 thousand were given away - approx. 4%.


    paper data. What is the percentage of the available armored vehicles in combat readiness? Most of them are in storage, torn apart or with unsuitable on-board equipment. And they transmit - quite serviceable, albeit not the newest. So the losses for the NATO countries are more significant than it seems at first glance. And with compensation due to the production of new cars - not everything is smooth either. Firms need long-term and large-scale contracts to expand the production of BT, and there is not much extra money in European budgets. If it were otherwise, they would not cut the social program, carry out pension reforms, etc. Again, the "green agenda" and the war of sanctions do not increase revenues.

    Well, okay. We wish them many more problems. A big ship - a bigger torpedo. laughing
    1. -2
      19 June 2023 16: 16
      The cost of this equipment is only the very tip of that iceberg of cash injections into Ukraine, but did anyone count how much NATO countries spend on maintaining Koklam pants? $ 198 billion of Ukraine's GDP in 2021 Salaries, pensions, social. payments, allowances, scholarships, everything fell on their shoulders, now there are also monetary allowances for military personnel. There is verified information that Western countries pay about $ 150 per day to Ukrainian. military personnel who participate in the battles, most of this money is stolen, there were serious conflicts with military personnel from 51 and 101 brigades due to zar. boards. Money is eaten even by refugees who left for Europe, because they also need to rent housing, pay benefits, look for work, arrange children for schools and children. gardens. Real spending on Ukraine in 2022 amounted to about $ 250 billion, and from such an amount they are not at all funny! I repeat the cost of these tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers is just a drop in the ocean of costs for Ukraine, look at the situation as a whole.
  7. 0
    19 June 2023 15: 32
    Just a few months ago, their total spending in this context exceeded $100 billion.

    And exactly 100 billion dollars is worth the most expensive man-made object on the planet, created by our civilization. Yes, yes, you have to raise your eyes to the sky, this is the ISS.
    If such investments were poured into space at such a pace, we would already have near-Earth factories and Mars would begin to colonize. I don’t understand the logic of moneybags, well, there will be twice as much money, but what’s the point? Do not spend everything and do not take it to the next world request
    But no, they puff! Puffing and straining, they don’t shove what they’ve grabbed into their pockets wassat
  8. +1
    19 June 2023 21: 00
    According to open information, by now NATO countries have given Ukraine no more than 4-5 percent. from the total number of their tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled guns, guns, aircraft, etc.
    Eee, voila:
    Thus, the demilitarization of Ukraine turned into the disarmament and neutralization of the NATO bloc. Given his plans for Russia and regular aggressive steps, such processes cannot be called negative. According to their results, the Alliance may face a serious failure in combat capability.
    If we take into account the Western military-industrial complex that is gaining momentum, then the author's "analysis" looks as usual ... winked
  9. 0
    20 October 2023 09: 45
    Why didn’t NATO transfer all of its tanks, or at least half, to the Ukrainians? Probably because all 8 thousand tanks would have been destroyed. During the last war the number was in the tens of thousands. But I don’t agree about the insignificant influence of chimeras and other high-precision systems. Chimeras, drones coupled with satellites, guided bombs and shells, electronic battle automation systems are formidable weapons that have brought us a lot of evil.