Rumors and Denials: Chinese RTR Center in Cuba

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Rumors and Denials: Chinese RTR Center in Cuba
Objects of the Soviet / Russian Radioelectronic Center in Lourdes. Photo Popular Mechanics


American media reports that China is going to build a radio intelligence center in Cuba to track the United States. According to other publications, such a facility exists and has been operating for several years. Meanwhile, officials from Beijing, Havana and Washington deny the existence of such a center or plans to build one, and exchange various accusations. How it actually works is the big question.



According to the press


The topic of China's military-political interests in Latin America and the Caribbean has been discussed in the American press for a long time. Just the other day, a new reason for such discussions appeared. On June 7, The Wall Street Journal wrote about a new stage of cooperation between China and Cuba. Information about him is said to have come from sources in the US intelligence community.

According to sources, Beijing and Havana have entered into a secret agreement to deploy a Chinese radio intelligence center (RTR) on Cuban territory. Under the terms of the document, the Cuban side will provide space for the placement of the necessary funds, for which it will receive several billion dollars. The exact terms of construction and commissioning, as well as the cost of rent, are not named.

WSJ sources say that the RTR base will appear in the northern part of Cuba, about 100 miles from pc. Florida. The reconnaissance means placed on it will allow intercepting various signals and transmissions - they will be able to monitor electronic correspondence, telephone calls, etc. U.S. military installations in the southeast of the country, as well as naval ships at bases and at sea, will be under close scrutiny of Chinese intelligence.

WSJ writes that the information about the Chinese RTR Center has worried the administration of President George. Biden. At the same time, it is not known whether the United States can influence the plans of Cuba and China and cancel construction.


American satellite filming center in Lourdes during the Cold War. Photo by Globalsecurity.org

Just a few days later, new information about Chinese intelligence in Cuba appeared in several American publications at once. Citing an anonymous source in the White House, it is alleged that the intelligence center has been operating since 2019 and is collecting information about US activities in the region.

official reaction


The official reaction of countries allegedly caught taking unfriendly steps against the United States was predictable and logical. Thus, Cuban Deputy Foreign Minister Carlos Fernandez de Cossio called all publications in the American media a lie. In addition, he indicated the reason for their appearance: it is precisely such press reports that create the background for maintaining sanctions against Freedom Island.

The American media did not immediately get a comment from the Chinese Foreign Ministry, but the topic was raised during the next press conference. Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin denied the accusations, and also recalled that the United States is the "world champion" in spying on third countries.

The reaction of official Washington is very interesting. Almost a few hours after the first publications, the representative of the National Security Council, John Kirby, commented on the information. He did not disclose the information available to him, but indicated that the WSJ reports were inaccurate. In addition, J. Kirby recalled that the United States is following China's activity in the region and is trying to fight it. He also assured journalists that American services are capable of ensuring security in the country and in the region.

It is curious that "news” about the Chinese intelligence center appeared a few days before the official visit of US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken to China. Whether reports and discussions in the media will affect the plans of the two countries is unclear. Relations between Beijing and Washington cannot be called simple now, and any little thing can spoil them further.


Ground radio facilities of the PLA. Photo by Globalsecurity.org

Historical experience


The American media report on the Sino-Cuban agreement on the deployment of the RTR center with reference to the US intelligence services. For obvious reasons, the latter are in no hurry to confirm or deny such information and disclose the details of their actions. As a result, the press has to substantiate its "news" in other ways.

As indirect evidence of the fundamental possibility of the appearance of a foreign military facility on the territory of Cuba, the WSJ and other publications recall the events of the last century. Some of these episodes are directly related to intelligence issues.

After the overthrow of the former regime, Freedom Island began active cooperation with the USSR, incl. in the military field. In 1962, in response to US and NATO actions, Soviet medium-range missile systems and long-range bombers with special ammunition were present on Cuban territory for several months.

In the same year, construction began on the Radio Electronic Center in Lourdes, near Havana. The object took up duty in 1967 and worked until 2002. According to known data, Soviet intelligence officers used radio systems to intercept communication signals from various US services and structures. The Center was one of the most valuable sources of information during the Cold War.

It is the Radio Electronic Center in Lourdes that the foreign press recalls as indirect evidence of current events. It is assumed that Cuba, having allowed a friendly state to host such a facility in the past, can do the same now. Moreover, Chinese specialists can be offered facilities and infrastructure left over from Soviet and Russian colleagues. Such assumptions and versions are not at all like direct evidence that no one can provide.

Advantageous position


It should be noted that Cuba, due to its geographic location, is indeed of military and political interest to states that are potential adversaries of the United States. In the past, the USSR took advantage of these opportunities, and now the American press and politicians suspect China of similar intentions.


Reconnaissance ship of the project "815" of the PLA Navy. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of Japan

The minimum distance from the coast of Cuba to American Florida does not exceed 150-170 km. At the same time, a lot of important military and dual-use facilities are located in the nearest areas of the United States. On the shores of the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean there are several major ports and bases of the US Navy. Air Force airfields and ground forces bases are located in the nearest states. Also of note is the space infrastructure on the Florida peninsula.

The RTR facilities deployed in Cuba are quite capable of tracking radio links between US installations. Accordingly, their operator receives special opportunities in terms of intelligence, which should be used to their advantage. However, it will not be easy to realize such opportunities - the US military and law enforcement agencies are aware of such risks, try to minimize them and take appropriate measures.

However, a permanent land facility in Cuba is not a mandatory and necessary condition for conducting electronic intelligence. Similar tasks can be solved by special vessels with appropriate equipment. Such pennants are in the composition of all developed fleets, including the Russian Navy and the PLA Navy. According to known data, Chinese reconnaissance ships regularly appear near North America and at US overseas bases - the goals of such campaigns are obvious.

How exactly China is keeping track of a potential adversary in the face of the United States is unknown. Moreover, they hide even the exact list of available tools and technologies. It is likely that all available objects and systems are used for this purpose, incl. intended for deployment abroad or in neutral waters.

Intelligence and politics


Thus, the foreign media once again "expose" China and publicize its "insidious plans" against the United States. This time, the WSJ and other publications learned about the alleged construction of an electronic intelligence center in the immediate vicinity of American lines. However, according to other sources, such a facility has long been built and is operating, which aggravates the situation.

The Cuban and Chinese leadership denies such accusations, and the US leadership is in no hurry to confirm the information of the press. All this may indicate that in the current situation, the leading role is played not by the military plans of third countries, but by political processes within the United States. There are forces in Washington that benefit from the "exposing" of Havana and Beijing, and right now, and with the help of such "news" they expect to solve their political problems.
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  1. +2
    15 June 2023 05: 09
    The first photo in the article is curious. What year and century is it from?
    And trucks in the spirit of the 1950s, and bicycles leaning against them ...
    Who is on bicycles on duty in the control room rides?
    1. -7
      15 June 2023 07: 33
      The Communists of the People's Republic of China are once again raising the flag of struggle against the world bourgeoisie. So, all countries need to prepare for the transition to a socialist economic model with Chinese characteristics. And not in a revolutionary way. Especially completely dependent fragments of one dead superpower.
    2. +2
      15 June 2023 14: 28
      Quote: Private SA
      The first photo in the article is curious. What year and century is it from?

      the antenna is old, from the 2000s, the buildings are freshly painted, somewhere in 2017-2018, where they now have a university or a Cuban Skolkovo.
      antenna is dead. No one in their right mind would put her among campus houses.
      Torrens, 2000 (already abandoned)


      photos of old trucks and bicycles have nothing to do with Lourdos. This is an ancient Chinese (Automated Air Defense Command and Control System [IBACS] of the second artillery corps), in my opinion C4I



  2. +3
    15 June 2023 05: 45
    China is confidently following the path of building a superpower and taking the place of the USSR, one can only envy that they got good leaders.
    And it is very symbolic that it was Putin who closed our bases in Cuba at the request of the United States, it was a very far-sighted decision.
    1. +4
      15 June 2023 06: 09
      He also closed Cam Ranh, also probably at the request of the United States or Chubais. You know, we have a trouble-free guarantor. They deceive, however, often, but we can say that this is HPP. And everything returns to normal, according to plan.
      1. +1
        15 June 2023 06: 16
        imposed sanctions against North Korea and maintains
        1. -1
          15 June 2023 20: 17
          Quote: Anatoly Popov
          imposed sanctions against North Korea and maintains

          This is the biggest unforgivable stupidity of V.V. Putin. With his own hands, he closed Russia's access to metal-cutting machines, greenhouse technologies, ammunition, instrumentation, artillery and tank weapons. The military-industrial complex of the DPRK can give for oil a real price and volume of 30% of the military-industrial complex of Russia.
          1. -1
            15 June 2023 23: 12
            This is the biggest unforgivable stupidity of V.V. Putin.

            Closing of bases in Cuba and Vietnam, finishing off the remnants of Soviet industry, turning an industrialized country into a raw materials appendage, tacit consent to NATO membership of the Baltic states, humiliating apologies to the Poles for the crimes committed by the Germans, approval of the attack on Libya, complete failure in Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia and in Kazakhstan, the admission of migrants hostile to us into the country, the maintenance of Armenia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and others at the expense of the Russian people without any benefit for our people, constant concessions to everyone and everything at the expense of our people, drawing the country into conflicts we don’t need, reducing the number of schools and hospitals by half, reducing the number of airports, protecting oligarchs and their interests, facilitating the withdrawal of capital from Russia, assistance and patronage to bandits such as Usmanov, Deripaska, Timchenko, Rotenberg, Kovalchuk, Chemezov, Miller, Sechin and others in plundering the country.
            Of these crimes or stupidities, it is difficult to choose the biggest, they are all fatal for our country and our people.
    2. 0
      15 June 2023 06: 57
      It is high time for him to retire. Say what you like, but his age no longer allows him to fulfill his duties to the proper extent.
  3. +3
    15 June 2023 06: 46
    On Sunday, Putin will meet with Bush, after which both leaders will make joint statements. As Izvestiya was told, the sources preparing the meeting said "serious breakthroughs are possible." Putin's statement on Wednesday is already a breakthrough. Two things are noteworthy: that it was made on the eve of the Shanghai meetings. And the fact that not a single Russian military has linked Russia's withdrawal from distant outposts to the issue of missile defense, which, as we know, will be discussed by the two leaders. Russia is not losing ground. Russia is transforming from a "baring" empirewho sees all enemies, in one of the states of civilizationwho needs to become equal among equals. And the departure from the station in Lourdes, which for decades the Americans considered the "thorn" in their eyes of America, can be interpreted as the beginning of a completely new relationship with the United States.
    (https://iz.ru/news/253528,17, October 2001, XNUMX)

    It's funny in 2023 to read about the fact that in 2001 "Russia .. is turning into one of the states of civilization ..."
    ps
    Holy place is never empty
    (this is about the fact that instead of the Russian Lourdes there will be a Chinese base)
    1. -2
      15 June 2023 15: 09
      Vladimir Putin met with Cuban Prime Minister Manuel Marrero Cruz in the Kremlin. Today Vladimir Putin received in the Kremlin the Prime Minister of Cuba, a country with which cooperation has stood the test of time and continues to develop successfully despite pressure from the West. Putin emphasized the special nature of relations between our states. In turn, Manuel Marrero Cruz conveyed a message to the Russian leader from his president. The conversation in the Kremlin is about how to confront external challenges together. Take it how you want. I understand that relations between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Cuba are being restored. And what and where .. in what areas? This is obviously a state secret. bully
      1. -1
        15 June 2023 23: 23
        The conversation in the Kremlin is about how to confront external challenges together. Take it how you want. I understand that relations between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Cuba are being restored. And what and where .. in what areas? This is obviously a state secret.

        Stop wishful thinking. He has already betrayed the Cubans once, having withdrawn bases to please the Americans, and those who respect themselves do not forget this. Moreover, he had already tried to talk with the Cubans about the restoration of the bases and was refused.
        Now, looking at the results of a year and a half of the SVO, the Cubans, too, see our weakness, and no one wants to get involved with the weak and cowardly, but the Chinese are another matter. Cubans will only let Chinese into their country, whether you like it or not. Let's say a big thank you to our "strong leader" for this as well.
    2. 0
      15 June 2023 20: 20
      Quote: Amateur
      It's funny in 2023 to read about the fact that in 2001 "Russia .. is turning into one of the states of civilization ..."

      But in February 2022, Russia became an equal power with Germany, France and the United States, and in 2001 it proved by action that it was a submissive vassal.
  4. 0
    15 June 2023 09: 23
    If this is so, then it is very smart and sensible, because not from scratch, as I understand it, something from the infrastructure of the USSR must have remained there. Well done, what else can I say.
  5. -1
    15 June 2023 12: 05
    God Himself ordered Cuba to provide territory for intelligence centers against America, especially since it is an enemy for Cuba. Following the example of Poland, the Baltic States, Romania. There are not only intelligence centers but also troops, especially since they pay good money for it.
    A couple of Iskander divisions and a Chinese fighter regiment for starters. feel soldier
    1. 0
      15 June 2023 20: 25
      Quote: V.
      A couple of Iskander divisions and a Chinese fighter regiment for starters.

      Then Russia had the opportunity to strike with impunity at the United States in West Berlin. In anticipation of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Ukraine, the United States prudently withdrew troops from Afghanistan. China, in response to US actions against the construction of its bases in Cuba, may force the return of rebellious Taiwan to the bosom of a centralized state. Putin is even afraid to buy ammunition and long-range MLRS in the DPRK and sell oil there above the minimum set by the US State Department ..
  6. +1
    15 June 2023 20: 04
    and long-range bombers with special ammunition.
    Since when did the Il-28 front-line bomber become long-range? TNW, he was really armed, I think, RDS-6 ("Tatiana").
  7. 0
    22 July 2023 05: 33
    作为一个中国人,我不认为我们有这样做的决心。
    As a Chinese, I don't think we have the determination to do so.