A desperate attempt to cross a hedgehog and snake for the APU

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A desperate attempt to cross a hedgehog and snake for the APU

Probably, many have already asked themselves a question like what is happening with the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Well, somehow all the advantage that was mentioned (not without reason) earlier disappeared somewhere.

What we saw in the operation near Orekhovo is surprising. Where is the Hymars processing of key points, preliminary strikes of assault groups on light armor, tank wedges driven in where thin ...



We saw trampling and frontal impacts, which are somehow not even inherent in the APU of recent times.


Our considerations are such that, first of all, they are connected with the temporary (or not temporary) removal from work of General Vladimir Zaluzhny.

Zaluzny was removed from operational control of the troops, although he is still in command and even reports on the situation in Zelensky's office. Apparently, after all, the wound and especially the shell shock did their job. In the videos that the Ukrainian side posted as confirmation that Zaluzhny was alive, the general was somewhat ... slowed down. Which confirms the version of a severe concussion.

Instead of Zaluzhny, the Ukrainian troops are commanded by a trio of generals: Oleksandr Komarenko, head of the operational department of the headquarters of the Ground Forces Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Oleksandr Tarnavsky, commander of the Tavria operational-strategic grouping of troops, and Oleksandr Syrsky, commander of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and who has long dreamed of taking Zaluzhny’s place.


There is an opinion that Syrsky is in charge of this operation, it is in his style - not to count the losses, as was already the case during the defense of Artemovsk.

But disassembly among the generals is only part of the overall scenario. Indeed, much depends on the commanders, and this has been known since time immemorial. Marengo, Cannes, Eisencourt... Yes, and near Kiev in 1941 there were 2,5 times more of ours than Germans. The question of how to manage the available forces as successfully as possible is probably the most important of the questions.

When it turns out, as with Rymnik and Ishmael, then everything is fine. But we need Suvorov. When there is no Suvorov or Rokossovsky, but there is Oktyabrsky and Kozlov, then we get the loss of Sevastopol and Crimea.

The second part, on which we would like to dwell in more detail, is the same soldiers who are led by generals. A mediocre general commanding well-trained and literate soldiers can get something meaningful, but if a brilliant general under the command of a stupid and untrained armed herd, then everything will be very sad.

We have been following for a long time how and what Western instructors teach Ukrainian soldiers. There is no doubt that such training is necessary. At least in terms of the use of Western weapons. Today, the Armed Forces of Ukraine in terms of weapons are such a mixture that an unprepared fighter simply will not be able to use much of what is supplied.


You don't have to look far for examples: Belgian rifles, German machine guns, Polish, Slovak and German howitzers, Turkish and French armored cars, and so on.


But besides this, the instructors are trying to teach the Ukrainians the NATO tactics of warfare. This is what makes us much more interested. The fact is that in some aspects, the Soviet, and the Ukrainian, and even the Russian armies today use Soviet developments in many respects, tactics and strategy are very different from the American, dominant in the West.

Probably, many people remember the critical articles about this system during the reform of our army. When preparation for a big war was considered a waste of time, when a future war was no longer presented as a confrontation between systems. War as a means of suppressing attempts to gain independence from the global world by individual underdeveloped countries and nothing more.

The war in the understanding of that time is just a local conflict that will be resolved by fairly small, but well-trained and well-armed armies of professionals. So then our pro-Western military theorists said. The world has grown wiser and will no longer allow a world war. How much the world has wised up, we see.

Ukraine today is not only a battlefield, but also a testing ground for numerous experiments. Let's try to figure out whether communication with the West benefits the Ukrainian military. Simply because today it is probably the most important problem for us. And the most important danger that needs to be eliminated.

The army should be divided into "hands" and "heads"



The main problem that Western advisers in the Armed Forces of Ukraine face is ... the very structure of the army. The American army is characterized by a clear division of tasks facing soldiers and sergeants and officers. The hands are soldiers and sergeants, the head is officers. A separate caste with the right to make decisions.

Many readers have long known this feature of the American army. US military officers do not train soldiers. This is the prerogative of the sergeants. That is why in the American army you can see a sergeant whose salary is equal to or even more than that of a senior officer from some headquarters. And the SSO lieutenant receives more than the same staff colonel.

To consolidate this division, there is even a special term - mission command. For us, it's exotic. In Russian military science, such or a similar term simply does not exist. Most often, this term is translated as task management. It is the ability to manage tasks that distinguishes an officer from a sergeant.

Remember Hollywood heroes saving the world? They just act like well-trained sergeants. They destroy fortresses, blow up military facilities, shoot enemy battalions, regiments and brigades from everything that comes to hand.

But at some point they turn into helpless kittens. And then evacuation is necessary. Send a helicopter, plane or ship. And the officer solves this problem somewhere in the headquarters. The hand is always the hand, and the head is the head.

The logic of Western instructors is understandable. There is a task to be completed. And this task is not connected in any way, or is not critical, in case of failure. For the general task of joining or joining. The usual logic of the MTR. If you do it - a hero, if you don't - the kingdom of heaven is yours. Others will do.

The Soviet control system is built exactly according to the scheme of the times of the global war, according to the scheme of central planning. The senior boss receives a general task for the campaign. And then, as the operation develops, the task is divided into smaller parts. Up to the level of a platoon-company. And every such small task is part of a big one. And failure to comply with it leads to the disruption of the big operation.

It is difficult for a Western officer to understand this. After all, it was at the grassroots level that the same Americans more than once met with manifestations of precisely the initiative actions of the Russians. Let me remind you of the Balkan example, which shocked the Western world, but did not arouse much interest in us.

An example with a machine gunner who single-handedly stopped an American convoy. Acted proactively? Yes, but within the framework of the task set by the commander. Don't miss. Completed and ensured the completion of the task of his unit.

The Armed Forces operate in the same way. But when retraining them at NATO bases, instructors try to drive their own system into the heads of commanders. And this is understandable and logical, because they do not know any other system. What causes real misunderstanding of Ukrainians. How can I change my own task and substitute my company, battalion, brigade? It's a tribunal! And thus, all this NATO training goes down the drain.

"Main hand" is a non-commissioned officer



Above, we have already mentioned the fact that the officer corps does not bother to train personnel. Why, if there is a well-trained sergeant? The same sergeant who will lead his squad or even a platoon to attack? In battle, "hands" will actively work, prepared and understanding all the movements of the main "hand". The officer, however, will remain to be the “head”, which needs to be assigned the task of this particular “main hand”.

And here the Americans are faced with another problem, which it is not possible for them to solve. Excellent squad and platoon commanders who have proven themselves in battle do not know how to train personnel.

At best, they can train a soldier in their specialty, but not all the soldiers of the unit at once. Yes, and they do not have such a task. The commander of this unit personally trains the personnel of a platoon-company. He is in charge of combat.

In the US Army, it is the non-commissioned officer who is responsible for the training of personnel. And such a commander receives his rank not after short-term training in courses, but after ten or more years of service. And senior non-commissioned officers often serve for two decades. Hence the constant complaints from Western instructors about the quality of the NCOs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In this regard, the findings of the instructors are interesting. Which, by the way, shows the level of knowledge of these people. Sergeants, in the Western sense, are some unfinished non-commissioned officers. In battle, they are good, but in between fights, a complete zero. And the mentality is to blame for this! People "of the wrong design."

Is the Soviet education system completely outdated?



This opinion is repeatedly heard among Western specialists. The way the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trained simply confuses Western instructors. For Western armies, training of personnel in various specialties is carried out in unified training centers. That is, a sniper or machine gunner will study in such a center and only after graduation will he be assigned to some kind of military branch or type. The basics of the military profession are the same for everyone.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine, on the other hand, initially train specialists for exactly the type of troops in which the soldier will serve in the future. The training system for army specialists differs from the training system for, say, National Guardsmen. Hence the existence of training centers for specific departments. It is clear to us that the work of a National Guard sniper and the work of an army sniper are different. For Americans, this is not clear.


The main thing that distinguishes the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and again this is clear to us, but not clear to them, is the different level of competence of specialists. If there is no one standard of training, then there is no single criterion for evaluating the training of a specialist. Hence, in the opinion of Western experts, again, the frequent "misunderstanding of the commanding staff" of the actions of neighbors from other departments in the performance of joint tasks.

The actions of volunteer organizations are not clear to Western instructors either. For modern Ukraine, this is a fairly typical movement. Here and there, there are some amateur centers for training civilians in the basics of combat operations, in which classes are conducted by former military personnel or employees of law enforcement agencies.

Many Western instructors speak directly about the uselessness of such centers. If these centers can be useful for teaching the skills of owning any type of weapon or military equipment, then this is harmful for training an infantryman or attack aircraft. A person has a false sense of confidence in his preparation, which leads to losses during the battle.

I would especially like to note the existing system for conducting live-fire exercises. Here again there is a stupor among the Americans. Such exercises are carefully prepared by superior commanders simply because live fire can lead to casualties. Therefore, unit commanders most often play the role of observers and coordinate the actions of their subordinate commanders.

The Americans have no understanding that the combat coordination of the unit is achieved in this way. For them, such exercises are a test of the actions of a unit in a certain situation, and not a test of joint actions.

A little about logistics



The army, which has a global superiority over the enemy, has, among other things, a well-established logistics system. This is an axiom of American military doctrine. The soldier must be provided with everything necessary for combat. Everything seems to be correct. If you do not take into account the realities of war. Delivery of this essential is associated with enormous difficulties. Quite often, such delivery is simply not possible.

Instructors complain that Western equipment is simply destroyed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine due to problems with logistics and maintenance. Barrel artillery is used at maximum ranges. Tanks are used from closed positions as self-propelled guns. And this leads to increased wear of the trunks and, accordingly, the failure of the system.

This implies the fact that the training of officers involved in logistics and maintenance is simply not effective in the West. What they are taught simply does not apply in the realities of the NWO. Delivery of reinforcements, ammunition and other necessary items is often chaotic. Without any plan.

Technical cannibalism is widespread among the troops. Spare parts are removed from faulty machines and installed on others, which leads to a complete decommissioning of equipment even with minor breakdowns. The same thing happens with the components of small arms. Spare barrels for machine guns, sniper rifle scopes and other necessary equipment disappear.

One of the instructors wrote with horror about the practice of exchanging equipment between units. Unthinkable from the point of view of the West. Unthinkable, but quite existing today in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Did the crossing of the snake and the hedgehog turn out in an American way



We specifically spoke not about the Russian army, but about the Armed Forces of Ukraine, already because it is the Armed Forces of Ukraine that are actively cooperating with Western, mostly American and British, armies today. It is in the Armed Forces of Ukraine that methods of integrating Soviet-style armies are being worked out today, and it is precisely such armies that today have most of the former Soviet republics with NATO.

As you can see, today the problems of adaptation have not been resolved. So far, only the training of Ukrainian soldiers and officers to use Western weapons and equipment is going quite satisfactorily. But the practice of the war shows that the fighters from the Russian side are successfully mastering the same equipment and weapons directly on the LBS. The network is full of videos of the use of weapons and equipment by Russians for their own needs.

The crossed animal, the same “spiky snake”, turned out to be little adapted to life. A predator that can only live when hand-fed. What is happening with the Armed Forces of Ukraine today.

We think that in order to adapt the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Western standards, it is necessary to destroy the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Disperse the officer corps, spend billions to create a new army and get the desired result. But the main thing, in this case, is not even the amount of costs. The main thing is time. And the Ukrainians just don't have time.

So, the United States did not so much assist Ukraine in creating a new army, but helped bring discord into the heads of Ukrainian officers and soldiers. The service really turned out to be bearish.

And here is the result. Despite the efforts of instructors from all over Europe and, in addition, American specialists, whose competence we have no doubt, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not demonstrate the expected level of training. Of course, this is a pleasant surprise, but the devil is in the details. And almost everything said in this article can be roughly attributed to the problems of training the personnel of the Russian army.

But this is a completely different topic.
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  1. +26
    10 June 2023 04: 29
    Someone on the forum was strenuously soaring our brains that supposedly nothing would change with the elimination of key figures in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian government.
    As we see in reality, how it will change ... the actions of the enemy immediately become chaotic and uncontrollable ... the enemy simply becomes inadequate to the current situation.
    1. -1
      10 June 2023 05: 58
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Someone on the forum was strenuously soaring our brains that supposedly nothing would change with the elimination of key figures in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian government.

      And from the stands of the UN, some see it right in the situation created to say:
      “Look what those Nazis are doing, whom more than fifty countries are helping with weapons, finances and personnel, although we are fighting them according to the tolerant rules prescribed "hell knows who" stop sorry, you... But we really need the world to condemn Ukronazism... Without this, we are nowhere we can neither leave, nor do business, nor check our deposits and possessions, nor attach children and relatives»
      1. -1
        10 June 2023 07: 13
        An interesting feature of the 9th day of June 2023 was the increasingly loud requests of the newly-minted citizens of Russia to the citizens of Russia not to be very happy about the burning German tanks. That is, the burning German tanks and their smoky contents suddenly evoke a special feeling of annoyance in the souls of the former Maidan activists.

        But by the way, given what Marsupial wrote earlier on the Military Review, nothing surprising.
      2. +2
        10 June 2023 07: 23
        Main hand, this is a non-commissioned officer.
        In battle, "hands" will actively work, prepared and understanding all the movements of the main "hand". The officer, on the other hand, will remain to be the “head”, which needs to be assigned the task of this particular “main hand”.

        Yeah winked it’s hard not to find the difference in the motivation to complete a combat mission, and which army they belong to:
        - "I'm dying, but I don't give up! Farewell, Motherland!" (Inscription made in the Brest Fortress) and,
        - "Save your asses!" ...
        1. -13
          10 June 2023 08: 07
          Do not forget that dead heroes are of no use.
          1. +22
            10 June 2023 08: 19
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Do not forget that dead heroes are of no use.

            Bolt cutter, as always, a deliberate skew and ... by.
            This is not about the dead, but about the fallen Heroes, thanks to which Russia is still alive, and on their motivation and examples, practically alone opposes all Nazism in the world. And there is no such family in Russia that would not be proud of their fallen Heroes.
        2. 0
          11 June 2023 11: 58
          Of course, I would gladly be imbued with great imperial chauvinism and contemptuously spat in the direction of the amers, like "they don't fight without cola and ice cream." But let me clarify, where does this "save your asses" come from?
          1. +2
            11 June 2023 15: 50
            Quote: Letterhead
            But let me clarify, where does this "save your asses" come from?

            Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country
    2. +17
      10 June 2023 07: 09
      Russian and then Soviet military science proved its worth more than once. Western, by and large - drive the Papuans and Arabs. I read somewhere that only two nations can truly fight - Russians and Germans. The rest are partisans, saboteurs, etc. or to drive papups, again.
      1. +7
        10 June 2023 07: 18
        Quote: Hagakure
        Russian and then Soviet military science proved its worth more than once.

        Now the Khinzirs are trying to fill up our positions with "live meat" and Lend-Lease equipment.

      2. +3
        10 June 2023 07: 59
        This is in the past.
        Previously able to:
        the Swedes, under Charles XII;
        the French, under Napoleon Bonaparte;
        Germans - always, until May 1945
        Japanese - always, until September 1945
        Russian (Soviet) always, but often could not be realized due to political strife.
        Now everything is from scratch, but history should be remembered.
      3. +1
        10 June 2023 09: 01
        Quote: Hagakure
        Western, by and large - drive the Papuans and Arabs.

        Germans and Japanese are by no means Papuans.
      4. +2
        10 June 2023 09: 33
        The Germans are no more. 404s, if that happened, they'd get their ass kicked. I think North Korea and China - these definitely can and do. Exactly Israel. Russia, Belarus.
        Finns.
      5. -16
        10 June 2023 11: 10
        Quote: Hagakure
        Russian, and then Soviet military science proved its worth and not once

        I don't remember. Do you mean Russian-Turkish wars?
        1. +12
          10 June 2023 11: 24
          Have you read (heard) about Rumyantsev, Suvorov, Kutuzov, or just blurt out like that?
          1. +3
            10 June 2023 11: 30
            Quote: Hagakure
            Have you read (heard) about Rumyantsev, Suvorov, Kutuzov, or just blurt out like that?

            The point, of course, is yours, but arguing with the Sumerian is IMHO a so-so idea ...
          2. -4
            10 June 2023 14: 45
            Quote: Hagakure
            Rumyantsev, Suvorov

            Clearly, Russian-Turkish. Only in them it was possible to achieve losses of 1:1 or better. Although I would not attribute these achievements to some "science" - rather, the Turkish crisis.
            Quote: Hagakure
            Kutuzova

            And why was this remembered?

            By the way, what was meant by Soviet science? Czechoslovakia 68?
            1. +4
              10 June 2023 17: 25
              Victim of the Unified State Exam or is it like this in life? ............
              1. -7
                10 June 2023 20: 29
                Quote: Hagakure
                Victim of the Unified State Exam or is it like this in life?

                You began to give examples of campaigns that were successful from a narrow military point of view - in relation to which one can judge the viability of military science. Don't be shy, please.
            2. +2
              10 June 2023 19: 41
              Quote: Negro
              Although I would not attribute these achievements to some kind of "science" - rather, the Turkish crisis.

              Attribute the ratio of losses to the crisis? And explain! Was there something wrong with the motivation of the soldiers or with weapons, with supplies? They put food on the snake here.
              By the way, what was meant by Soviet science? Czechoslovakia 68?
              By Soviet military science is meant a certain military science, which even Churchill spoke about during the war years. You can not understand. And Czechoslovakia 68 is a Maidan arranged by the secret services of the West - this is the topic of an entire article and this has absolutely nothing to do with Soviet military science. Do you have something smarter spelled out in the TsIPSO manuals on this topic? Carry that do not understand what.
              1. -1
                10 June 2023 20: 25
                Quote: V. Salama
                Attribute the ratio of losses to the crisis? And explain!

                Petrine reforms (by the way, pre-Petrine reforms) were aimed at creating an army of a modern (that is, European) model. While Porta became more and more archaic. Therefore, in the clash between the armies of Russia and the Porte (as well as the Central Asian khanates and China in the 19th century), it is appropriate to talk about the superiority of the Russian side in most aspects. Including, to some extent, superiority in military thought - as far as it is applicable to the wars of those years.
                Quote: V. Salama
                By Soviet military science is meant a certain military science, which even Churchill spoke about during the war years.

                What a drinking person will not tell, especially under a glass.
                Quote: V. Salama
                And Czechoslovakia 68 ... this has absolutely nothing to do with Soviet military science

                It's a pity. The only successful Soviet military campaign I could remember. A little blood, a mighty blow, that's all.
                1. +1
                  11 June 2023 15: 44
                  Quote: Negro
                  ... it is appropriate to talk about the superiority of the Russian side in most aspects.
                  Anyone who understands the logic of war should know that in order to win, it is necessary to create superiority in something, this is the key position of Soviet military science. And not necessarily in the forces and means. So you either contradict yourself or there are ulterior motives involved.
                  What a drinking person will not tell, especially under a glass.
                  The policy of England, based on the ideas of Mackinder in particular, is distinguished by hostility and duplicity of position towards Russia. Duplicity is the essence of hypocrisy, this is when malice is hidden behind benevolence. Winston Churchill is a typical representative of English politics of the twentieth century - an enemy of Russia and, of course, a hypocrite, which he does not hide in his memoirs. However, the position obliges the hypocrite to tell the truth, and no one pulled him by the tongue when he spoke about the "superiority of Soviet military science" in particular. This is forced to be done by the people who form the policy, which means they are responsible for its results, at least to their own people. Another thing is the hypocrites who act in line with the policy of their master in full accordance with the statement of V. Lenin: "An illiterate person is always outside politics, as a subject, and always in politics, as a means." Here it is necessary to make a clarification: - in the modern Russian language (more precisely, in the conceptual apparatus of modern pedagogy), the concepts of literacy and education differ. So Lenin spoke, of course, about education. And, from ignorance, all this - "that's it, that's all." Let's lie to ourselves and believe in all this ourselves; thanks to the one who will lie for us; we are always ready to "freeze your mother's ears to spite our mother" and let our future generations pay for it. Of course, the role of education (in the form of hostile propaganda) and its result, a specific mentality, has not been canceled.
                  ... The only successful Soviet military campaign I could remember. A little blood, a mighty blow, that's all.
                  You are bursting open to throw on the fan what you rubbed into your ears. So start with the trump cards, that the Great Patriotic War will overwhelm you there ... or, in your opinion, the Second World War or something ...?
                  1. +1
                    11 June 2023 16: 07
                    Quote: V. Salama
                    superiority in anything, this is the key position of Soviet military science.

                    So what superiority are you talking about?
                    Quote: V. Salama
                    However, the position obliges the hypocrite to tell the truth

                    A very controversial thesis. Of particular interest is your idea that during WWII, Churchill found time to study Soviet military science in order to draw his conclusions on this matter.
                    This is if you do not understand where you pulled Churchill from. And is there any article by Nina Andreeva that is the primary source of your retellings of Churchill?
                    Quote: V. Salama
                    So start with the trump cards, that the Great Patriotic War is going to overwhelm you there ...

                    We've arrived. If you have the Second World War, this is an example of Soviet military science, then such science will suit everyone. Actually, the Nazis are looking for another, Nazi military science.
                    1. +1
                      11 June 2023 21: 37
                      Quote: Negro
                      So what superiority are you talking about?

                      Strange question, however. Don't you understand the meaning of this term? Even according to the logic of war, heroism and fortitude, perseverance and perseverance of soldiers and commanders can be superior. Speaking abstractly, one can recognize that meanness, deceit and betrayal can also be considered as superiority. I spoke about the superiority of Soviet military science, in the first place. This is also superiority, if guided by its provisions.
                      A very controversial thesis.
                      Here I spoke about responsibility to my people, if you remember. The people decided (or the elites, who will understand this Western democracy) not to elect Comrade Churchill anymore and the "Unthinkable" Plan has sunk into oblivion, well, let's say, for a while.
                      Of particular interest is your idea that during WWII, Churchill found time to study Soviet military science in order to draw his conclusions on this matter.
                      I also don’t remember that he studied at our academies, so of course I didn’t study, but there was something to compare with and, as a consumer of any service, he had the right to express his opinion on this matter. In addition, he was not a stupid person, we must pay tribute to this.
                      And is there any article by Nina Andreeva that is the primary source of your retellings of Churchill?
                      I suggest that you type in any search engine "Churchill on the superiority of Soviet military science" and it will come up repeatedly where, when and under what circumstances he said this. There you will read a lot of things, I have already digressed slightly to the hostile policy and hypocrisy of the West in the face of this politician. Here it is more interesting how he was forced from an enemy of the USSR to temporarily become his ally, but this piece of information will probably upset you.
                      We've arrived. If you have the Second World War, this is an example of Soviet military science, then such science will suit everyone. Actually, the Nazis are looking for another, Nazi military science.

                      You've outdone yourself here. WWII is war, and science is science. And what does it mean that "such a science will suit everyone ... that's why the Nazis are looking for another, Nazi military science." Be direct about what you want to discuss. The Americans at one time bought materials from us on the largest battles of the Second World War (they simply stole a lot) and lead the Nazis, and I don’t know what the Nazis themselves are looking for there. At one time, they went into the occult (Ananerbe), now, as far as Ukraine is concerned, this is also enough, but they are looking for anything there, but only so that it is not Soviet or Russian, which is propagated in words, but in deeds - you need to ask the Americans.
                      1. +1
                        12 June 2023 11: 08
                        Quote: V. Salama
                        Don't you understand the meaning of this term?

                        Well, you, for example, cannot explain the meaning of this term. You jump either on the lyrics, or on the usual superiority in resources.
                        Quote: V. Salama
                        Even according to the logic of war, heroism and fortitude can be superior

                        As a rule, this is the path of the losers.
                        Quote: V. Salama
                        Here I spoke about responsibility to my people, if you remember

                        If a politician is used to lying, then he usually does not make exceptions. It seems you have never seen politicians.
                        Quote: V. Salama
                        The people decided (or the elites, who will disassemble this Western democracy) not to elect Comrade Churchill anymore

                        Still would. "I promise you only blood, sweat and tears" - so-so slogan. However, Attlee was even worse.
                        Quote: V. Salama
                        The "Unthinkable" plan has sunk into oblivion, well, let's say, for a while.

                        Plan Unthinkable was just bad. Again, don't trust the drinker too much.

                        What is important - because of Churchill's stupid throwing in the spring of 45, a real opportunity was missed to leave millions of people without the most delicious ice cream. But even in 44 it seemed that at least Churchill understood everything about Soviet friends correctly.
                        Quote: V. Salama
                        but there was something to compare

                        With what? With Montgomery?
                        Britain lost 380 men in WWII. No one will ever know the loss of the USSR. Your love for the fat troll does you no credit.
                        Quote: V. Salama
                        "Churchill on the superiority of Soviet military science"

                        One link on Google. Just to this page.
                        Quote: V. Salama
                        Here it is more interesting how he was forced from an enemy of the USSR to temporarily become his ally

                        "If Hitler invades Hell, will I lend a hand to Satan?" Yes, that's what happens when writers do politics. In Russia, Prokhanov alone can do this.
                        Quote: V. Salama
                        Be direct about what you want to discuss.

                        I? I am trying to find examples where the military success of Russia / the USSR can be attributed to military science - that is, in my understanding, the quality of staff work and the training of senior command personnel. And you, a lover of military science, it seems you cannot help me - everything is about Churchill and about Churchill.
                      2. 0
                        12 June 2023 21: 55
                        Quote: Negro
                        Well, you, for example, cannot explain the meaning of this term.

                        Explained with examples, the most understandable explanation. I can give a definition of the concept, but what will it give? I am not obliged to give here the full set of what, in principle, can be represented as "superiority".
                        Quote: Negro
                        You jump either on the lyrics, or on the usual superiority in resources.

                        Here you have a saying according to Freud, it characterizes you. Yes, I noticed that superiority can be not only in strength and means, but where do you “jump off” and what kind of “lyrics” are we talking about? By the way, when it comes to simply superiority in manpower and means (quantitative), then we are talking about the resource aspect of efficiency, and when it comes to military-technical superiority (qualitative), then this is already a technological aspect of efficiency - another indicator in the formula for determining the total combat effectiveness. And yet, when we talk about a tool as a resource, and not as a tool, then what is a tool is still the same question, almost like with “superiority” there can be a lot. Perhaps you remember the statement: "The idea, having mastered the masses, becomes an independent productive force." And every force is a resource, draw conclusions, as they say.
                        Quote: Negro
                        As a rule, this is the path of the losers.

                        Have you tried a systematic approach? Remember, “the properties of a system are somewhat more than the sum of the properties of its elements…” These are the so-called “emergent” properties that military systems should be endowed with. In short, any positive quality is welcome here, and any quality will be enhanced by the system. Recall the formula from the theory of probability about the combined effect of a combination of factors? However, for this it is necessary to give, for example, to the unit the properties of the system and, if you are counting on the required quality of the soldier and the unit as a whole, then you must inevitably expend certain efforts on this - a resource that has at least two properties, the property of necessity and sufficiency.
                        Quote: Negro
                        It seems you have never seen politicians.

                        And what, such people who have not seen them exist? It is there that you do not have politicians in Ukraine responsible to the people (from a legal point of view, responsibility is a form of coercion).
                        Quote: Negro
                        But even in 44 it seemed that at least Churchill understood everything about Soviet friends correctly.

                        You are some kind of unteachable, I have already given you the opportunity to understand that Churchill has always been an enemy of Russia, regardless of whether it is Soviet or not, and always fought against it, even when it was its ally.
                        Quote: Negro
                        Your love for the fat troll does you no credit.

                        It does not do you any honor to attribute any nonsense to me. He is an enemy of Russia and just like you - Heuchler (German), and according to the logic of war - the enemy should be hated and merciless to him. But belittling the quality of the enemy is dangerous.
                        Quote: Negro
                        I am trying to find examples where the military success of Russia / the USSR can be attributed to military science - that is, in my understanding, the quality of staff work and the training of senior command personnel.

                        Here the key words will be - "in my understanding." Many in their lives are guided by false ideas about reality and nothing, they live for themselves. And there are a lot of such examples of military successes in all historical periods of Russia, only the term "military science" did not always exist, but such a concept existed even in ancient times, which developed in accordance with the development of the forms and methods of war, which, in turn, was determined by NT progress. The quality of staff work is, of course, good and the training of senior command personnel is expected, but these concepts should not be confused with military science, which presupposes both of these previous concepts, but they do not replace it. And trying to find the dependence of the number of victories on the battlefield on the quality of staff work in the sense that it was thought, for example, in the Wehrmacht during the conquest of Europe in WWII, is the same as determining the dependence of the growth of sheep eggs on the number of lunar eclipses.
            3. +1
              11 June 2023 17: 33
              Warsaw Pact troops participated in Czechoslovakia 68, you can show them to the Poles, Hungarians, etc. Before disgracing yourself here, I would take books and read ...
      6. +3
        10 June 2023 13: 24
        Quote: Hagakure
        I read somewhere that only two nations can truly fight - Russians and Germans.

        -300 Spartans?
        - A. Macedonian?
        -Persians of the Achaemenid empire Cyrus II (1 to 3 hordes of the richest man of that world Croesus, 14 days the fall of the Tiber?
        - Marathon battle?
        - Rome with its empire? The Cimbri War (250 participants), in which the Roman commander Gaius Marius manages to stop the German conquerors, Cimbri and Teutons
        -VIKING SIEGE OF PARIS - Do Parisians tremble before the Vikings?
        -Tamerlane, Genghis Khan and other hordes? CAPTURE OF BEIJING GENGHIS KHAN?
        -Napoleon and his empire?
        -Britain against Germany (and all of Europe) in 1939-1941
        1. +5
          10 June 2023 22: 53
          Quote from Duncan Idaho
          Quote: Hagakure
          I read somewhere that only two nations can truly fight - Russians and Germans.

          -300 Spartans?
          Herodotus claims that in Battle of Thermopylae 480 BC participated from the side of Hellas ...
          Spartans 300 copies
          perieki 1000 (possibly with the Spartans)
          Mantineans 500
          Tegeans 500
          Arcadian Orkhomenians 120
          other Arcadians 1000
          Corinthians 400
          Fliunts 200
          Mycenaeans 80
          Thespians 700
          Malia 1000
          Thebans 400
          Phokians 1000
          Opontic Locrians 1000
          Total at least 5200 copies (according to other Greek sources Diodorus - 7400-7700 copies)
          No need to learn history from Hollywood movies...
          300 Spartans - volunteers gathered by King Leonid - the rest of the Spartan army could be sent to war only with the approval Council of Eldersthat was waiting for the end holiday of Karnei, coinciding with the 75th Olympic Games.
          The battle of Thermopylae continued 3 day - the first two days the Hellenes successfully held the defense, on the third day the Persians went around, at the general council, King Leonid ordered all the Hellenes, except for the Spartans, Thespians and Thebans leave and take up defense in their cities.
          In the last battle, only the Spartans took part and Thespians, Herodotus claims that Thebans surrendered (The next year the Thebans were already fighting on the side of the Persians).
          According to the plan of Leonid, the Spartans, Thespians and Thebans were supposed to cover the withdrawal of the rest of the army - the task of Leonid's detachment was to gaining time for the retreating Hellenic militias.
          hi
          1. -3
            11 June 2023 13: 16
            Quote: cat Rusich
            Herodotus claims,

            - why only about 300s such an analysis? Let's say the following that Herodotus "asserts" (about Napoleon, let's say
            Quote: cat Rusich
            At least 5200 copies in total (according to other Greek sources Diodorus - 7400-7700 copies)

            under the army of Xerxes, either 250 people / copies, or 000 people / copies (and some reach 800 million) It doesn’t matter how many copies of Diodorus, even 000.
            Xerxes had more war elephants than copies of this entire Leonid group.

            Quote: cat Rusich
            No need to learn history from Hollywood movies...

            - I studied history at the school of the USSR, when they only heard about Hollywood, but did not see it.
            - the film (where everyone is yellow and swollen), Hollywood, could not see further than some lepers on the mountain.
            So that "bang-bang and past."
            I will advise you (since you decided to advise me), do not quote the wiki as an argument. I can read too
        2. -1
          10 June 2023 23: 46
          Smiled about Britain against all of Europe.
          1. -2
            11 June 2023 14: 25
            Quote: T.A.V.
            Smiled about Britain against all of Europe.

            recourse
            does not "smile" when, since 1941, the USSR fought AGAINST all of Europe (with the exception of Britain)? No?

            In the same way, Britain in 1940-1941 fought alone against the whole of Europe (with the exception of the USSR).
            What's wrong? knowledge gap?
            1. -3
              11 June 2023 16: 10
              Quote from Duncan Idaho
              (with the exception of the USSR).

              Excluding Sweden, Switzerland, Finland, Spain and Portugal. At the expense of the USSR, a long conversation.
              1. -1
                12 June 2023 11: 59
                Quote: Negro
                Excluding Sweden, Switzerland, Finland, Spain and Portugal. At the expense of the USSR, a long conversation.

                recourse
                2022-2022 Russia is at war with all NATO countries (well, they say so)
                Sweden: 80% of the iron ore in the German balance and still transported by rail
                Switzerland: From 1939 to 1944, 45% of all exported goods went to Italy and Germany. The bulk of the deliveries were strategic raw materials, tools and implements of production, technical equipment and products of the chemical industry, in a word, all those products that could be partially used for military purposes.
                + a very interesting financial center (golden crowns of prisoners of the camps is a trifle). The Germans had to pay for strategic raw materials and equipment, and the sellers of it received gold for it (money
                On June 11 and 12, 1940, the "lost" British bombers bombed the railway station near Lausanne, and also dropped several bombs on Geneva (Geneva). Until now, there is no consensus among historians on the fact of the bombing of Basel, Schaffhausen and Zurich

                Spain - oh, these strange stories about fuel, molybdenum, etc. going to Germany through the Canary Islands
                Portugal .... yes. BUT the role of this country in Europe is so-so. Azores are important, P-no
                Finland, but did not supply industrial products and weapons to Germany (they did not have enough), but Kriegsorganization Finnland has been working since 1939.
                Yes, if you can be trifles, and put all sorts of Monaco and Liechtensteins together in defiance.
                1. +1
                  12 June 2023 14: 18
                  My remark was not about the relations of the Reich with European neutrals.
                  1. -1
                    12 June 2023 21: 40
                    Quote: Negro
                    My remark was not about the relations of the Reich with European neutrals.

                    belay
                    I'm stupid (in life), maybe I did not understand.
            2. -1
              14 June 2023 20: 54
              Those who know, when the USSR fought, they fought, and our tanks were in Berlin. And the British waged a "strange" war. But you don’t understand this, the Englishwoman almost tore Hitler to pieces. But she couldn't.
              And the war in the desert should not be passed off as a massacre with all of Europe, the world, etc.
              Or is it still the impression of the movie "Dunkirk"?
      7. +9
        10 June 2023 13: 50
        Quote: Hagakure
        Russian and then Soviet military science proved its worth more than once. Western, by and large - drive the Papuans and Arabs.


        That is why the Israeli army took the path of synergy, even at the dawn of its formation, having studied Western and Soviet doctrines, isolated the useful from them, fused them into a single concept, and merged tinsel and anachronisms into the toilet.
        That is why it had an advantage in wars, both over the Syrians and Egyptians, fighting according to a purely Soviet doctrine, and over the Jordanians, fighting according to the Western (British) doctrine.
        But most importantly, the AOI doctrine is not bronzed, there is a whole division of analysts in the General Staff, whose task is to monitor the wars on the planet and amend the doctrine in accordance with the trends of the times.
        That is why even the modern "chasing the Arabs" does not turn into a kind of "Chechen wars."

        Quote: Hagakure
        I read somewhere that only two nations can truly fight - Russians and Germans.

        At some kind of national-patriotic forum. Chauvinism is the "cheapest" and fastest way of manipulation to instill patriotism. But in the long run, it's a shot in the foot. There comes a moment when the manipulators themselves begin to believe in what they are broadcasting and there is a separation from reality, which naturally ends in a painful collapse of illusions and the subsequent one.
        The fate of Nazi Germany is a clear example of this, their inflated conceit destroyed them.
        Yes, and the collapse of the USSR, too, the decline in morality and morals in the 90s, a direct consequence of the collapse of the ideology that Soviet people are better than others.
        Anthropology is the real source of knowledge of people, and not all sorts of "isms".

        Quote: Hagakure
        The rest are partisans, saboteurs, etc. or to drive papups, again.

        Underestimating the enemy is the first step to defeat. But even worse is when soldiers are brainwashed with it. This leads to frustration and a break in the pattern when confronted with reality.
        That is why the Arab military, pumped up with the belief that they were going to "sweep the weak and cowardly Israelis into the sea," often panicked at fire contact and fled, throwing their weapons, while their media broadcast fairy tales to the population that "the enemy is cowardly running."
        When we went out on combat operations, the commander did not get tired of reminding us: "do not dare to think dismissively about the enemy, expect the worst from him, your life depends on it." And in the exercises, we always worked against each other, without discounts and giveaways, "to rupture the aorta." And that is what allowed everyone to return home safe and sound.
        1. +3
          10 June 2023 14: 23
          Great you put it all together! Everything is just like that. But I would like to add one detail!
          Often, in parallel with such self-deception, “only we and the Germans are fighting,” in parallel, for “objectivity”, they say and explain everything with the famous saying - there are no invincible armies!
          Only in the vast majority of cases, those who say this attribute it exclusively to rivals, but not to themselves. And do not think that the rule "there are no invincible armies" applies to their own armies, which can also be defeated
          1. +6
            10 June 2023 16: 25
            Quote: Mustachioed Kok
            Only in the vast majority of cases, those who say this attribute it exclusively to rivals, but not to themselves.

            Exactly! And only a daily reminder to yourself that you are not immortal, that a potential adversary learns and improves with 100% effort, and that therefore he himself must make 105% effort for his own development is the only way to push back the confirmation of this pattern in his own skin. good
            1. +3
              10 June 2023 19: 53
              @ And us army: somehow an American dentist (for some reason everyone is interested in the war, here I am too) told me that some Israeli defense minister somehow dropped that an army of 3 university students would always defeat an army of 3 peasants. I don’t know if he said it, but they will probably win. It's about 105%
        2. -3
          10 June 2023 19: 23
          And Us Rat (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
          good
    3. -1
      10 June 2023 07: 45
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      As we see in reality, how it will change

      What changed? Artemovsk was under what commander in chief? Zaluzhny. Syrsky obeyed ZALUZHNY, but there was a massacre, and there would have been a counter-nag under any Zaluzhny, and since. otherwise, it is impossible in principle to counterattack - both under Zaluzhny and under any Geletey-Ilovaisky - it would be the same thing.
      Here are the possible options. Critical condition - counter-nag is required.
    4. +17
      10 June 2023 08: 05
      And what about Zaluzhny and tactics? ....
      Who removed him? Concussion, right, removed him.
      Again, an article where "the shoemaker bakes pies."
      "Attacks on light armored vehicles" are possible not at the request of Zaluzhny or anyone else, in places where there is no powerful defense. "Tank wedges" are clogged when artillery and infantry with close support tanks have already broken through the defense. In the breakthrough area, dill cannot turn around due to minefields. And they cannot clear mines because the fields are covered and there are a lot of them.
      That is, there is no need to be clever, it is necessary to have trained troops in sufficient numbers and organize defense, as it is written in the Combat Regulations and a number of other "smart books". This war is not the first and, if not all, then a lot "have already been stolen before us."
      Similarly, there is the question of restoring order at the front and in the rear in wartime.
      The selection and placement of personnel, of course, is the most important thing, but you don’t need to create idols for yourself and think that you can find the most reasonable generals in this way, so that they come up with such a thing, how to defeat Banderlogs supported by the USA and their vassals without mobilization and serious straining of all the forces of the military-industrial complex.
      Read the orders from the times of the Second World War, now they are available. It looks like the date needs to be corrected...
  2. +27
    10 June 2023 04: 30
    The whole complex of problems. Half (according to optimistic estimates, and I counted 2/3) of the equipment in the foreground is simply abandoned. In addition, we have reports from intelligence about the refusal of several units to join the battle. You are talking about the "high" morale and quality of training of the elite (as it was believed) NATO brigades. The actual level of training does not meet the stated requirements. Further. Underestimation of the enemy. Us. I remember how, a week before the attack, they boasted that they were jamming our communications, both domestic and Chinese, with ultra-modern American electronic warfare. They counted on loss of control and disorganization. How so? An experienced Soviet general, whom I consider Zaluzhny to be, should have understood that we would certainly drop the wires. Which is what was done. But where does such arrogance come from? Further. Practicing tactics before the offensive. In fact, they did not offer anything new. Such remote mining of near rear areas, in order to disrupt logistics. Well, we've been waiting for this. They caught up with sappers and demining systems in the rear. They didn't offer anything new. Further. Understanding the site of the main offensive, of course, we pulled all the best that we had there. Starting from fpv-drones on the flanks (the front jams the electronic warfare, only the drones work somehow on the flanks), ending with long-range artillery (including the cannon, the long-awaited supexclusive coalition works there). Well, in addition. The political leadership, frightened by the "successes" of last year's campaign, ordered everything to be mined, dug up and strengthened with some kind of simply maniacal persistence. In fact, 5 lines of defense, minefields of some simply incredible areas and density. The world probably has not seen engineering work of this magnitude since World War II.
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    2. +12
      10 June 2023 06: 37
      All right, but just one question. Why Zaluzhny Soviet General? He entered the school after the collapse of the USSR, but Syrsky was just finishing the "forge of Soviet generals" of the MVOKU.
      1. +4
        10 June 2023 10: 34
        Zaluzhny, Valery Fedorovich graduated from: in 1993, a mechanical engineering college; in 1997, the Odessa Command School, after which he rose to the position of battalion commander. In 2007 he graduated from the Academy. Then he served as chief of staff of the 24th mechanized brigade, commander of the 51st brigade. In 2014 he graduated from the National Defense University of Ukraine and from July 2014 he participated in the war in Donbass, as a deputy commander of Sector C. In 2017, he became a major general and received the position of chief of staff - deputy commander of the troops of the West operational command. From 2018 to 2019, he was the head of the joint operational headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and since 2019, he has been the commander of the troops of the Sever operational command. On July 27, 2021, he was appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        Its goal is to reform the Armed Forces of Ukraine in accordance with NATO standards.
    3. KCA
      -8
      10 June 2023 06: 56
      It is a pity that anti-personnel mines are prohibited, and mining installations such as "Agriculture" sow fields with mines with self-destruction, in my opinion 24-48 hours, you cannot mine in advance only when the enemy attack has already begun
      1. +13
        10 June 2023 08: 01
        Quote: KCA
        It's a pity that anti-personnel mines are prohibited

        I don’t know where they are banned, but in the NWO everyone actively uses them ..
        1. 0
          11 June 2023 10: 41
          Not all, not all varieties and not everywhere.
  3. +35
    10 June 2023 04: 33
    Extremely controversial article and controversial theses of the author.

    "the training of officers involved specifically in logistics and maintenance is simply not effective in the West"

    Is it? In 2003, for the war in Iraq, the Americans transported 300 thousand fighters with all weapons and military equipment to the other end of the globe, provided everything necessary and smashed Iraq in a month. And we will call these guys incompetent in logistics?)

    Another thing is that deliveries to our own troops and the troops of "partners" are different things in terms of volume. The Armed Forces of Ukraine objectively receive only what is required "to support the pants," if we compare this supply with the supply of a similar Western group.

    Well, and a very bold statement "“ needle-skinned, ”turned out to be little adapted to life." Is it? Well, this is how to look. The "Blitzkrieg" has been thwarted, the conflict has been turned from a "small victorious" into a protracted and costly one, the "second army of the world" has been "performing the tasks of the NWO" for the second year against the twenty-second army, which, according to the assurances of our propagandists ... ummm ... propagandists, was supposed to scatter as soon as our army appeared on the battlefield. If this is "not well adapted to life," then I don't even know what a perfectly adapted organism should have been.

    Besides, let's not jump to conclusions. So far, our "Ukrainian business partners" have committed only about a third of their reserves to combat. We believe in the best that our guys will hold out, but let's not rush to conclusions and let's not underestimate our "partners".
    1. +2
      10 June 2023 05: 15
      I agree with Comrade Temnukhin. It was necessary not to show a circus performance at tank biathlons and naval parades, but to engage in real combat training, the manufacture of modern military equipment in the required quantities and build up personnel to the required three to five million soldiers. These are tanks and border troops and fifth-generation aircraft and a modern fleet.
      If necessary, you need to increase the service life. We served for two or three years and nothing happened to us, we returned home as real men, full-fledged reserve or reserve soldiers in case of war. This experience will help you survive in a real war. soldier
      1. +23
        10 June 2023 05: 56
        Quote: V.
        build up personnel to the required three to five million soldiers.

        And the navel will not be untied to provide 5 million soldiers? There were so many in the USSR army. But there the population was twice as large against today's Russia.
        1. -2
          10 June 2023 07: 54
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And the navel will not be untied to provide 5 million soldiers?

          And this is the old world of TsIPSOta. The goal of the West is not to win in Ukraine, they clearly outlined the ECONOMIC destruction of Russia. That is, the transition to a military footing, which is so persistently thrown in, allegedly because of the failures in Ukraine.
          In the meantime, as a result, the effect is an economic collapse precisely in the West (there is nothing to argue about - even the EU officially recognized the recession) and the ineffectiveness of sanctions (again officially recognized). It remains only to shake it from the inside, that Russia itself must destroy the economy, and the whole country should stand up to the ax.
        2. +3
          10 June 2023 09: 12
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And the navel will not be untied to provide 5 million soldiers? There were so many in the USSR army. But there the population was twice as large against today's Russia.

          % million is optional. But tell me, why keep 600-700 thousand, who cannot fight? And isn't it better for everyone to shrink a little, but not have the current situation? True, it might not exist if those who have something would shrink. But this is not for them: how can they live without yachts and real estate abroad?
        3. +11
          10 June 2023 14: 19
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And the navel will not be untied to provide 5 million soldiers?

          No one demands to maintain a regular army of 5 million.
          For example: strategic warehouses and regular recruitment of reservists allow small Israel with 9 million people to mobilize in the event of a big war almost a million strong army with combat coordination, and the number of people capable of taking up arms in the event of the arrival of a polar fox with adequate military training is approaching to 3 million. It works for Switzerland too.
          And the budget costs are not so big, to come to the training ground for 2-3 weeks a year, to brush up on shooting and tactical training, to be instructed on updates, it's not difficult.
          Especially if you do not nightmare the reservists with the "barracks spirit" and tiredness, but focus on the effectiveness of training and professionalism, providing the reservists with an adequate level of comfort and attitude from the staff.
          He arrived, ran around the range, shot and left, without stepping, painting lawns, outfits and other extra dregs.
          With a population of 140 million, such a system would give the Russian Federation a mobile reserve of 10-15 million, ready to perform combat missions without long periods of preparation and coordination. (The main thing is not to shuffle reservists from well-coordinated groups). It would be the desire and will of the leadership.
          1. +1
            11 June 2023 10: 48
            You read more carefully. Soldiers In just offers to increase the service life to create a regular army of 5 million, he is your very "no one offers."
            He was also reasonably noticed that the forces for such immense desires may not be enough.
            And the training of reservists is the next question.
        4. +1
          10 June 2023 19: 28
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: V.
          build up personnel to the required three to five million soldiers.

          And the navel will not be untied to provide 5 million soldiers? There were so many in the USSR army. But there the population was twice as large against today's Russia.
          Quite right! For economic and demographic reasons, this is now impossible (even in Soviet times, aircraft were a very costly pleasure). An increase in the size of the army is possible only through the competent organization of the reserve for "mobilization" situations ...
      2. +12
        10 June 2023 06: 00
        you write nonsense and destroy the economy, the social sphere of the country and the savings of citizens with their militarization, if he wanted 3-5 million soldiers, it’s easier and cheaper then to apply
        1. 0
          10 June 2023 06: 35
          Do you know exactly how many million jobs with a salary of 100,000-120,000 grouse are not enough in our country?
      3. +11
        10 June 2023 06: 45
        three to five million soldiers.

        Even before WWI, an empirical formula was derived - a peacetime army cannot exceed one and a half percent of the population. Otherwise, the army begins to devour the economy. Naturally - the peacetime economy.

        We are 143 million according to the most optimistic estimates. We take 1.5% from here. This is our maximum. Unless, of course, you go completely on a military footing. In general, it is necessary to fight not by numbers, but by skill. Moreover, it is by no means the last country in military-technical terms ..
        1. +1
          10 June 2023 07: 07
          Quote: paul3390
          the peacetime army cannot exceed one and a half percent of the population.

          Interestingly, with the size of the army just over 5 million people in 1989, which is almost 2%, our veterans of the Second World War, home front workers, honorary donors, and I don’t know who else, received a one-time humanitarian aid from the Bundeswehr in the form of a four-day dry ration.
          1. +5
            10 June 2023 14: 24
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Interestingly, with the size of the army just over 5 million people in 1989, which is almost 2%

            And the result for the economy of the USSR - only confirmed the above regularity.
            1. 0
              11 June 2023 10: 57
              If only patterns could be traced so easily! The economic crisis in Russia in 1992 and beyond was caused by the decision of the Gaidar government to raise prices 3-5 times in the winter from 91 to 1992. For example, in agriculture, accumulations from harvesting were reset to zero, and first agriculture with related industry fell down, and then everything else. Like the disappearances of cigarettes and canned food in 1990, they were manageable.
              So, you have to be careful with rules. And it is logical to engage in the capture and punishment of the creators of those "patterns".
            2. 0
              14 June 2023 18: 39
              No, it's not about a million-strong army, but about an arms race.
        2. +3
          10 June 2023 11: 06
          Quote: paul3390
          Even before WWI, an empirical formula was derived - a peacetime army cannot exceed one and a half percent of the population

          Before WWI there was a different structure of the population. More young people, less old people.
      4. KCA
        +4
        10 June 2023 07: 07
        I won’t say that in 2 years I became a real warrior, yes, I studied my KShM better than my own sexual organ, but I shot from a machine gun only three times, once at a shooting range and twice, let’s say, illegally, though I served 91 -93, although the forced march from Maikop to the border of Chechnya and Ingushetia during the Ossetian-Ingush conflict was, in general, normal, so a couple of times I had to sleep in a ditch and eat some crackers, then in the winter I slept in the BTR-80, on mattress and under the mattress, armored personnel carriers brought new ones from the factory, the authorities were afraid that they would plunder, but then everything got better, they left the forest plantations and organized a normal camp with large warm tents, with diesel generators and light bulbs in all tents and on the street powered by them
      5. +1
        10 June 2023 08: 54
        Quote: V.
        It was not necessary to show a circus performance at tank biathlons

        Tank biathlon, in fact, is a form of education and training of tank crews, simply organized with elements of a show and popularization of service in tank troops. Mechdrivers hone their driving skills, gunners learn how to shoot a cannon, shoot a machine gun, load ammunition, all for a while.
        1. +5
          10 June 2023 11: 24
          Quote: South Ukrainian
          Quote: V.
          It was not necessary to show a circus performance at tank biathlons

          Tank biathlon, in fact, is a form of education and training of tank crews, simply organized with elements of a show and popularization of service in tank troops. Mechdrivers hone their driving skills, gunners learn how to shoot a cannon, shoot a machine gun, load ammunition, all for a while.

          Tank biathlon at best requires some individual qualities from the crew. The use of tanks in real combat requires the coherence of all crews in the battalion. What's the point that there is, for example, one crew that perfectly performs all combat missions, but in general, tank crews are much lower than the average. Such things can only be checked on maneuvers. Therefore, tank biathlon is no more than a circus.
          1. -1
            11 June 2023 09: 24
            Quote: vova1910
            Therefore, tank biathlon is no more than a circus.

            I don’t even want to answer, but I am writing so that you can see that I have read your objection.
            1. -2
              11 June 2023 17: 51
              Quote: South Ukrainian
              Therefore, tank biathlon is no more than a circus.

              I don’t even want to answer, but I am writing so that you can see that I have read your objection.

              I will tell you this, if your country has an Olympian, this does not mean that the country as a whole has become much more athletic - do you understand the analogy?
          2. -1
            11 June 2023 11: 08
            Do not confuse, coordination and individual skills are just different stages of learning. What coordination can there be if you don’t know how to drive, charge, hit and keep in touch?
            And what can be coordination in public? The polygon is not a football field, and tanks are not football players.
        2. +3
          10 June 2023 14: 32
          Quote: South Ukrainian
          Tank biathlon, in fact, is a form of education and training for tank crews.

          A few units of crews, and given the static nature of the training ground, this rather leads to memorizing one algorithm of actions for speed, which is not quite ice for real situations.
          An athlete shooter and a special forces shooter, for example, are far from the same thing.

          Quote: South Ukrainian
          popularization of service in tank troops

          This is useful, but military-patriotic cinema (with good direction, well-thought-out music and sound special effects) fulfills this role just as well, at comparable costs.

          Quote: South Ukrainian
          Mechdrivers hone their driving skills, gunners learn how to shoot a cannon, shoot a machine gun, load ammunition, all for a while.

          Again - units out of tens of thousands.
          1. KCA
            +2
            10 June 2023 15: 52
            But the shooter-hunter and the special forces sniper are almost the same, my brother goes to the White Sea 2-3 times a year, in winter for fishing, and in spring and autumn for a goose, so sometimes he creeps up to the geese for 3 hours 4, although it is a fashionable carbine with good optics, the geese sit on the field, and if one notices something, the whole flock takes off in a second, and if, taking into account the weapons and optics, there is a chance to get in, but such a mess begins to single out one goal is impossible
            1. +9
              10 June 2023 16: 35
              Quote: KCA
              But the shooter-hunter and the special forces sniper are almost the same

              Maybe it was so 70 years ago, but today it is far from the same thing, a special forces fighter is not a cinematic Rambo. The shooter is a hunter and will not complete 10% of the tasks that are assigned to a special forces soldier in modern warfare. I can guarantee you this from personal experience.
              A flock of geese do not have thermal imagers, anti-personnel radars and drones, they do not build fences, they do not lay minefields, they do not have radio communications, they do not gather dozens of flocks for interaction, they do not shoot or throw grenades, they do not organize ambushes and chases, and they do not torture the hunter in case of capture.

              Quote: KCA
              geese sit on the field, and if one notices something, the whole flock takes off in a second

              Let him try to quietly climb behind the back of an armed observer, in such a tower, in unloading and with a machine gun.
              By the way, I did this during the exercises, moreover, to the one warned in advance and watching the stairs. wink


              1. KCA
                +2
                10 June 2023 17: 10
                So snipers have not gone on missions for a long time, but in suits made of nets blocking IR radiation, snipers are rarely shown, but Iskanders in such nets often block IR radiation and reflection of radars, the sniper is also not alone, at least with a gunner, which PK or Kord, Lobaev rifles land from 1200m with a deviation from the target in millimeters, there are few of them, but snipers of this level are piece
      6. -4
        10 June 2023 15: 15
        Quote: V.
        If necessary, you need to increase the service life. We served for two or three years and nothing happened to us, we returned home as real men, full-fledged reserve or reserve soldiers in case of war. This experience will help you survive in a real war.

        But this is the simplest and most affordable solution to plan (!) increase the number of the Armed Forces, not go bankrupt, and not toil with a call for a contract. A service life of 3 years will provide the aircraft with high-quality and literally PROFESSIONAL personnel, of which at least 2/3 will be top-notch specialists who have served for more than a year. And contractors will be needed only for service on the most complex equipment that requires lengthy training. And not half-educated people will go into the reserve, but experienced military specialists - reserve soldiers who have mastered more than one VUS and consolidated their knowledge with skills, and skills with practical service.
        The strength of the RF Armed Forces in peacetime should be about 2 million people. 1,5 million with our geography, the development of strategic nuclear forces, the Navy under construction and the need (again!) to separate air defense into a separate branch of the armed forces, is simply not enough to have sufficient numbers and combat readiness of the RF Armed Forces.
        Quote: V.
        build up personnel to the required three to five million soldiers.

        The USSR had so much, but it was a completely different country. With a different population , demography , geography , industry opportunities and a system for educating the younger generation .
        The number of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in peacetime should be about 2 million people. To resolve the issue of completing the NWO in an acceptable time frame, the grouping must be increased to a minimum of 1 million bayonets, and an optimum - 1,5 million bayonets. With proper technical equipment, of course.
    2. +9
      10 June 2023 06: 54
      hi
      Extremely controversial article and controversial theses of the author.

      The fact that the article is "controversial" is due to the fact that some of the thoughts (about Syrsky-Zalugny, Agincourt, Rokossovsky, Crimea, Oktyabrsky, etc.) are unknown from where, probably from the "Analytics" section of the Military Review. And some of the thoughts (about the "mission of teams", logistics, mentality, training, etc.) are a creative retelling / presentation of the translation of the BMPD article: "The problems of the armed forces of Ukraine - the American view.
      The American network resource “War on the Rocks” published an interesting article “What the Ukrainian Armed Forces Need to Do to Win” (“What needs to be done to win the armed forces of Ukraine?”) Authored by Erik Kramer (Erik Kramer) and Paul Schneider (Paul Schneider) - two former US Special Operations Forces officers working in Ukraine as private military advisers and instructors.
      ....lack of a solid understanding of how to conduct uniform, consistent training
      ....we observed a number of general trends: the absence of a mission command [it is significant that both the term itself and its stable Russian translation are absent in domestic military terminology, most often translated as "task management". - bmpd], lack of effective training and joint combined arms actions; impromptu logistics and maintenance; and misuse of special operations forces.
      ... in many units and headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, personal initiative, mutual trust or mission command are not encouraged. As Michael Kofman and Rob Lee recently spoke on the Russia Contingency podcast, much of Ukraine's armed forces have an old Soviet mentality that requires most decisions to be made at higher levels."
      https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4709052.html
      And so on, the text is recognizable.
      1. -2
        10 June 2023 09: 52
        The article was written by TWO authors, and very diverse ones, hence the controversy.
      2. -4
        10 June 2023 10: 40
        Quote: Wildcat
        text is recognizable

        They wrote about this (all sorts of Murziks there) even before the NWO. In Ukraine, a relatively modern army has been growing through Soviet concrete for 8 years. At the platoon-company level, this is already a modern army (not always, but not rarely). At the brigade level, it was worse (except maybe Azov). As we will see now.
        1. +5
          10 June 2023 11: 32
          In Ukraine
          Negro, whose Crimea? Just curious Yes .
          1. +3
            10 June 2023 11: 34
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Negro, whose Crimea? Just curious

            +1. Very interesting to see how it turns out. Yes
          2. -2
            10 June 2023 15: 00
            )))
            Now we are figuring out in which direction the Zaporozhye region of the Russian Federation is being liberated from the Nazis: positive or negative. There will be a conversation about the Crimea - we will discuss the Crimea. Or maybe we will discuss some other regions of the Russian Federation, NVO is a living thing.

            Military control of the territory is a quite tangible thing.
            Quote: Repellent
            how will it turn out

            As you can see, if you keep in touch with reality - nothing complicated.
            1. 0
              10 June 2023 18: 02
              Quote: Negro
              Quote: Repellent
              how will it turn out

              As you can see, if you keep in touch with reality - nothing complicated

              Well, you are still very far from reality. Nevertheless - my applause to the team of authors, talented ... will do, that is, with mustard. Yes

              In general, you should be in the book. Red. You are an endangered species, there are practically no thin trolls left ... and soon there will be no left at all. request crying laughing
        2. +1
          10 June 2023 14: 54
          hi
          Hmm, a very difficult question "what is the Armed Forces of Ukraine."

          The problem is that, as Peskov's friend says, the owner of 136 kg. five thousandth bills from the budget nicknamed "Boniface" - "nothing is photography, everything is cinema."

          The modern army in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in the sense of not even US Marine Corps, but at least ordinary Army (especially the "7th Corps of the times of the 1st Gulf War"), there is not even at the level of "platoons-companies" either in terms of supply or in terms of doctrine , not in terms of tactics. Here one should trust the opinion of A. Svyatov, a serviceman of the US Army and the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

          If you look in terms of technology and logistics, then this is a strange, "not rich" conglomerate from the legacy of the USSR / Department of Internal Affairs, scattered supplies of volunteers (including the former President of Ukraine) and supplies of "Western partners" (from the heavy legacy of World War 3 in the form of M113 to Archers and Patriots).

          If you look at the part of the doctrine, then in two years it smoothly turned from "enough panic, get ready for May barbecues", then "columns of refugees will block the roads", then "let's distribute AK and RPG to everyone, it should help; Molotov Cocktail recipe on the walls "; now it has reached what is now called "Ukraine plays Light Brigade with the help of British tips by David P. Goldman" https://asiatimes.com/2023/06/ukraine-plays-light-brigade-with-british- advice/
          Here the joke about "the world is surprised" will be appropriate feel (hello Nimitz for Halsey), but joking, IMHO it would be even more appropriate "according to the results" by the beginning of the thaw in Ukraine in 2023. The light brigade in the 19th century, as a result, also rode around the Crimea for a reason.

          What happens from all this - we'll see if we live.
          1. +7
            10 June 2023 15: 39
            In fact, it is very funny to look at some conclusions after covering a mechanized company reinforced by a tank. Of course, this is a success, but this is just a company of at least 13-15 brigades, whatever.
            In general, these losses are entirely on the conscience of the commander who sent this company to slaughter. The "Soviet school" has not yet been eliminated from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which gives us at least some chances.
            1. 0
              10 June 2023 15: 58
              Quote from cold wind
              In fact, it’s very funny to look at some conclusions after covering a mechanized company reinforced by a tank

              The valiant military correspondents have been reporting the failure of the grunt for only the second week. In the case of Kherson, about a month passed from the failure of the scoff to a difficult decision.

              Wait.
              Quote from cold wind
              gives us some chance

              Chances for what, sorry?
          2. -1
            10 June 2023 16: 07
            Quote: Wildcat
            The modern army in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in the sense of not even US Marine Corps, but at least regular army

            At least.

            Somehow they found out that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are inferior to the army of Morocco in everything. Therefore, the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot be attributed to the armies of the countries of the second world - the army of the country of the second world will roll out the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

            My requirements for a modern army are much lower. The best examples of the Makhnovshchina in the former LDNR more or less fall under the definition of "a modern army at the level of platoons-companies." As well as the young years of the hero of Russia, Colonel-General Academician R.A. Kadyrov and his then brothers in arms.

            Now there are hints of offensives in the style of "go, there's no one there." Recognizable style, frankly. If this is so, then all the efforts of the last year to improve the quality of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not yielded results. How true this impression is - we'll see by the fall.
            1. +3
              10 June 2023 18: 02
              Well, indeed, as the last two years have shown, it is true for almost everyone that "your expectations are your problems." And an interesting fact: it is impossible, once waking up in the morning, to forget the powerful spell "go, there is no one there."

              But what is much more important is not the events themselves, such as "counterattack, he's a bastard" but their consequences.
              The consequences include the laughter of the respected ColdWind: "it's funny to look at some conclusions after covering a mechanized company reinforced by a tank. Of course, this is a success, but this is just a company of at least 13-15 brigades, whatever."
              The indignation of the Republican (the hope has not yet cooled down that “here Trump the Republican will come and everything will be as before”) M. Pence can also be attributed to the consequences. Said Pence begins to resent the too moderate support of the Democrats of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. According to the office of Simonyan (RT), Pens-Republican said: "The unprecedented military assistance that the US government and its NATO allies sent to Ukraine to fight Russia was not well-advised, according to former Vice President Mike Pence, who is seeking the Republican nomination for president in 2024.
              «President Joe Biden hesitated to provide military resources to Ukraine," the politician said during an appearance on CNN on Wednesday. "We are [still] waiting for F-16s to be deployed from somewhere.».
              The American-made fighter jets are one of the few weapon systems requested by Kiev that the incumbent Democratic administration has not agreed to provide. The Pentagon cited logistical problems and the lengthy time it takes to train Ukrainian pilots.
              “I believe the United States of America needs to continue to provide the brave soldiers in Ukraine with the resources they need to repel … the Russian invasion and restore their territorial integrity,” Pence said during his official campaign announcement.
              "https://www.rt.com/news/577702-pence-ukraine-aid-slow/
              Also, the consequences should include a fresh 2 yards on weapons from old Biden and 0,4 yards on weapons from his neighbor, young Trudeau.
              At this pace, for the "election company 2024" you look and they will assemble the "7th building of the 1991 model at minimum wages" with HOKs, Abrams, M113 / Bradley and F16, rummaging through the BHVT and other garbage dumps.

              PS. By the way, judging by the photos and videos, the Armed Forces of Ukraine somehow manage to take a lesson on their own on Bradley and Leo2 on the topic "what happens if a car with a mine trawl blows up, and some subjects still have a desire to travel around or drive closer." Although the Armed Forces of Ukraine recently filmed a video themselves, why is it impossible to do this.
              A couple of groups of damaged machines don't look like SPAMS.
              1. 0
                10 June 2023 20: 39
                Quote: Wildcat
                A couple of groups of damaged machines don't look like SPAM

                Yes, new data has arrived - including video from the Russian side (close, from the ground) of the infantry next to this equipment.

                Well, the optimism of the Nazi sodomites in this case was not justified, they found the first Ukrainian Muradov. We look further, it is unlikely that he is the only one. It would have been an undeserved fortune for the former brothers.
                Quote: Wildcat
                At this pace, you look for the "election company 2024" and they will assemble the "7th building of the 1991 model at the minimum"

                Of course, the sodomite Nazis have many problems, but they know exactly the goals of the SVO, the direction of the development of the army, and the sources of resources for such development. The goals are clear, the tasks are defined. Whether this advantage will be realized, we will see if we live.
                1. +2
                  11 June 2023 14: 48
                  I agree, if we live, then in the fall, closer to the thaw, it will be clear who has what result of the "summer 2023 campaign" and what budgets the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have for the "election year 2024".
    3. +5
      10 June 2023 13: 11
      To be honest, I did not understand anything from the article. The impression that the author slightly does not understand what he writes. The only sound judgment is a statement of the fact that sergeants are primarily involved in the training of personnel. And even then, up to a certain level. The rest of the text is the same hedgehog. Chaos of stupid thoughts.
      1. -1
        10 June 2023 17: 28
        The impression that the author slightly does not understand what he writes.

        It's just that there are two authors, and they are very different.
      2. +1
        11 June 2023 11: 32
        The only thing is that in the USSR, sergeants were also involved in training. But these were, in contrast to the United States, conscript sergeants with a very peculiar set of personal qualities. Here is a question for Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev, who eliminated over-enlisted sergeants in the USSR.
        For a conscript sergeant, the main issue was maintaining his own status and personal authority. The training itself was somewhere far away, the main thing in training against the background of cadets is to look beautiful.
        Hence, the real skills and knowledge came mainly from the officer corps. And then, in ascending order, knowledge from the officers of the Combat Training Directorate. And a curious pattern was visible, the more stars on shoulder straps, the greater the consumption of ammunition was recommended, which, in general, is correct.
  4. +3
    10 June 2023 04: 50
    As in a joke about gasters at a construction site: yes, he also counts them there .......
  5. +12
    10 June 2023 04: 57
    Quote: Arzoo
    The whole complex of problems. Half (according to optimistic estimates, and I counted 2/3) of the equipment in the foreground is simply abandoned. In addition, we have reports from intelligence about the refusal of several units to join the battle. You are talking about the "high" morale and quality of training of the elite (as it was believed) NATO brigades. The actual level of training does not meet the stated requirements. Further. Underestimation of the enemy. Us. I remember how, a week before the attack, they boasted that they were jamming our communications, both domestic and Chinese, with ultra-modern American electronic warfare. They counted on loss of control and disorganization. How so? An experienced Soviet general, whom I consider Zaluzhny to be, should have understood that we would certainly drop the wires. Which is what was done. But where does such arrogance come from? Further. Practicing tactics before the offensive. In fact, they did not offer anything new. Such remote mining of near rear areas, in order to disrupt logistics. Well, we've been waiting for this. They caught up with sappers and demining systems in the rear. They didn't offer anything new. Further. Understanding the site of the main offensive, of course, we pulled all the best that we had there. Starting from fpv-drones on the flanks (the front jams the electronic warfare, only the drones work somehow on the flanks), ending with long-range artillery (including the cannon, the long-awaited supexclusive coalition works there). Well, in addition. The political leadership, frightened by the "successes" of last year's campaign, ordered everything to be mined, dug up and strengthened with some kind of simply maniacal persistence. In fact, 5 lines of defense, minefields of some simply incredible areas and density. The world probably has not seen engineering work of this magnitude since World War II.

    Zaluzhny is not a Soviet general, he is 49 years old, he completely built his career in the already independent Ukraine. Otherwise, I agree. Not so much the Ukrainians "screwed up" as we pulled ourselves up. Although it is still too early to draw conclusions.
    1. +5
      10 June 2023 10: 33
      Quote from: sepal81
      Not so much the Ukrainians "screwed up" as we pulled ourselves up.


      And turn the chessboard and think about how "good" it is to storm the prepared defense lines with the following inputs: the time factor, you were trained by NATO instructors, but you are not fully in the NATO structure, the units are entrusted (who are being disposed of now on the first line) - a mixed hodgepodge of inclusions mercenaries and
      six months ago they weren’t military; they weren’t driven there voluntarily.
      You have no choice of another theater of operations - only this, because. the Kherson direction was temporarily out of the game.
      1. +3
        10 June 2023 13: 16
        On the Kherson direction it would be even worse. There, before the offensive, it would be necessary to create a bridgehead on the left bank under blows. And only then to storm the defense lines. Therefore, they most likely blew up the dam in order to leave this area for an indefinite future.
        1. 0
          11 June 2023 11: 38
          The problem is that the time is quite certain for itself, before the water leaves and the area dries out. The conditions for forcing the Dnieper for the Armed Forces of Ukraine will improve after some time. But the price for this is too high for Ukraine as a whole.
  6. -2
    10 June 2023 04: 59
    Probably, many have already asked themselves a question like what is happening with the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Well, somehow all the advantage that was mentioned (not without reason) earlier disappeared somewhere.

    The advantage has not gone anywhere, the initiative belongs to the Ukrainians. And the fact that they do not climb like fools, everything that is on well (as it turned out) prepared defense lines, speaks of the presence of brains and learning abilities.
  7. +6
    10 June 2023 05: 33
    The Wehrmacht, who died in the Bose, can serve as a model for the organization of the army. It was here that the personnel training system was built, a strong non-commissioned officer for direct control of the soldiers on the battlefield, a layer of junior officers who were removed from the direct control of the soldiers, but still knew them by sight and directly controlled the conduct of the battle. And the highest level - senior officers and generals. For them, in fact, there are no soldiers and officers, but there are units and formations.
    The strongest side of the Wehrmacht was the excellent training of the personnel, the encouragement of reasonable initiative, and, of course, "auftragstaktik" - clarity in setting tasks in accordance with the level of operation and complete confidence in the lower command in the ways to complete the task.
    Unfortunately, much of this practice, which G.K. Zhukov planned to introduce after the war, was rejected after his disgrace. And the dominance of the party-political leadership in the troops led to a clear disproportion in combat training in favor of ostentatious events.
    Already wrote about emergency service.
    I believe that the entire male population fit for health reasons, upon receiving a secondary education, is obliged to undergo military service in the Airborne Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. All other military specialties must be staffed by contract servicemen who have completed a secondary military school (technical school level). Stupid people and slobs who failed to graduate from a secondary military school in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have nothing to do.
    The call should be made once a year, the service should consist of three semi-annual training periods:
    1st - an educational unit, training in a military specialty and possession of related professions;
    2nd - summer period of training, maneuvers for practicing combat operations as part of subunits;
    3rd - the winter period of training, practicing combat operations in difficult climatic conditions, the skills of individual actions, and self-organization of spontaneously prefabricated units.
    After completing military service, a soldier is offered a choice:
    - continuation of military service under a contract in the chosen military specialty with enrollment in a secondary military school to master the profession, persons who have not completed military service are not subject to contract service;
    - admission to a military institute (officer school) on a competitive basis, persons who have not completed military service are not allowed to enter a military institute;
    - non-competitive admission to one of the universities (except for those requiring an increased level of special knowledge).
    - employment at a state enterprise with specialty training.
    All men who have not completed military service undergo further training only on a paid basis and are subject to special checks when they are admitted to secret work.
    Thus, it will be possible to make service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation a truly honorable duty, which, moreover, is a good springboard for life (a social elevator, as it is now called). And in Russia a powerful layer of real men will appear, on whom the state will be able to rely in solving any problems.
    1. -7
      10 June 2023 05: 35
      In addition, because to enter the service in the Airborne Forces, a certain level of physical fitness is required, this will force teenagers to lead a healthy lifestyle and play sports. And a one and a half year term of service when called up once a year will, in principle, make it possible to get rid of hazing.
      1. +6
        10 June 2023 06: 30
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        it will force teenagers to live a healthy lifestyle and play sports.

        How to say! There are those who, on the contrary, will do everything not to get into the Airborne Forces
        1. -11
          10 June 2023 06: 47
          You don't fully understand men, dear Egoza!
          Those who do the opposite will commit a coming out. That is, they themselves will refuse the status of "alpha". This means that early natural selection will occur, you will either have to study for money and build a career without a springboard, be excluded from the most promising developments, or go into small business, where you will have to seriously compete with migrants and crime.
          So if there is a goal (and any boy should have one), then you should try.
          Rarely (mostly in our team are military pensioners) they ask me, but what if God did not give health, but the child is gifted?
          I will answer that we have a system for selecting gifted children through Olympiads, studying in special schools with a subsequent orientation towards entering a university with increased requirements for basic knowledge. So for the WINNERS of the competition among such young men, a scholarship system can be provided, but each course must be completed perfectly. By the way, those who served military service could enter such a university only on a competitive basis, but with some basic advantage.
          1. +8
            10 June 2023 07: 13
            there is no need to make a barracks out of the country, the people will start to scatter then, at the beginning of mobilization, 300.000-400.000 of the population fled (I don’t justify them), many have already returned, but the fact is the fact, people want to live like a human, and not in the barracks
            1. 0
              10 June 2023 07: 31
              Where is our barracks?
              People run for fear of being killed in war, it's natural. And they are afraid, because they themselves have no idea about real military service and do not trust our command.
              But against this there is only a mobilization system and legislation.
              Conscription service for all those fit for service in the Airborne Forces will take 40-60% of potential recruits, which will amount to about 500 thousand military personnel. Somewhere else, a million and a tail of contract soldiers and officers - that's the whole "militarization". Approximate current population.
          2. +6
            10 June 2023 12: 27
            Quote: Victor Leningradets
            Those who do the opposite will commit a coming out. That is, they themselves will refuse the status of "alpha".
            Awesome naivety.
        2. +7
          10 June 2023 10: 46
          There are those who, on the contrary, will do everything not to get into the Airborne Forces

          And this greatly depends on the perception of society .. If, as before the Second World War - when not a single girl will go dancing with you without a minimum badge of the Voroshilovsky shooter, and they looked at those who fell away from the army as frankly flawed - one thing. And it’s completely different - when, on the contrary, they look at those who served as idiots who spent a year of their youth on obvious nonsense. Or as on the beggars, who simply did not find the money to buy the left certificate.
      2. +7
        10 June 2023 07: 56
        in your proposals absolutely! there is no link to the real economy of the country and human nature .. how I read science fiction .. Sparta think it will work? So she ended up with a bad end.
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        it will force teenagers to live a healthy lifestyle and play sports.

        and this is generally ridiculous .. that one needs to study well in order to be cooler in life - do many teenagers in a row inspire them to exploits in their studies?
      3. +5
        10 June 2023 12: 24
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        In addition, because to enter the service in the Airborne Forces, a certain level of physical fitness is required, this will force teenagers to lead a healthy lifestyle and play sports
        Seriously? Why all of a sudden? You do not confuse them with cadets of officer schools?
    2. +1
      10 June 2023 06: 53
      Pf, well, I’ll see how in the Airborne Forces, after your proposal, conscripts begin to die, who don’t take out such physical loads. It’s not just that we have a division into types of troops and specialties - so that everyone could be attached to a thread. And you think like a typical couch soldier
      1. -6
        10 June 2023 07: 07
        And why is it FITNESS IN HEALTH for service in the Airborne Forces
        conscripts who do not take out such physical loads will begin to die
        ?
        It’s not just that we have a division into types of troops and specialties - so that everyone could attach a thread somewhere
        - The armed forces are not an almshouse, no one needs to be attached here.
        Sofa - if you please. Regardless of my age, I work without discounts. At work - without a phone, on business trips - without communication.
        Additionally, when I write about the Airborne Forces, this is precisely the Airborne Forces. Special Forces and Special Operations Forces are contract soldiers.
        1. +3
          10 June 2023 07: 44
          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          Regardless of my age, I work without discounts. At work - without a phone,

          I also worked at the last job without discounts and worked on the phone, despite my age. I threw a hundred or more bags of cement for a thousand a day. And in the rain and in the snow, he loaded bags of sand and gravel. Earned DOA of the shoulder joint. Do you know what it is? When you can't sleep, you arch out in pain. For three months he gave himself injections in the opus. Thanks to the optimization of medicine. In that office, some 20-year-olds couldn’t even last a month, and at 49 I plowed for almost a year. I can throw off the address, only one hundred percent sure that you will not go there.
          1. -4
            10 June 2023 08: 11
            The young ones carried two 60-kg bags of lime.
            Now - I will not, but I swim 6 km. Yes, and not in order to study to move bags, but if necessary, he was not a ballast in the adjustment team. However, there is nothing to brag about, others next to me are no worse. It is important that we leave to our grandchildren who tomorrow will enter an independent life.
            1. +2
              10 June 2023 08: 33
              Quote: Victor Leningradets
              Yes, and not in order to learn to roll bags,

              And I studied as a master in the USSR in order to roll bags? And in his team at the plant, he did the most non-standard work. And in his youth, calmly alone, he installed drums with hubs on the machine, where the men put them together. 4 enterprises were destroyed where I worked. So sit back and be glad you haven't been optimized like millions of others.
              1. -1
                10 June 2023 08: 46
                Don't poke!
                I did not humiliate you or if you please from the dialogue.
                In the USSR, I had enough achievements, but again - this is not relevant. And, as you put it, a couple of enterprises were also killed under me in the 90s. And I had to go look for a use. Not immediately, but I found it, and for a long time before the current pension, everything was not bad. And as the Moscow owners drove away due to age, I returned to one of the teams with which I collaborated, there are a lot of people like me. But qualifications and mobility are required.
                Health to you, and most importantly - good luck! And then on the Titanic and health and money, but good luck ...
                1. +1
                  10 June 2023 09: 02
                  Quote: Victor Leningradets
                  Don't poke!

                  And who are you that I would treat you like you?
                  Quote: Victor Leningradets
                  And, as you put it, a couple of enterprises were also killed under me in the 90s.

                  And three were destroyed, where I worked, under Putin.
                  Quote: Victor Leningradets
                  Health to you

                  Everything, it ended, health. And I won’t see my pension, like my ears, I’ll die sooner. Thanks to the current bourgeoisie.
                  1. +1
                    10 June 2023 11: 43
                    That health is over - it ends for everyone, but your interlocutor is right - to poke a stranger is to show your level of education. Learn to argue normally and not see the enemy in your interlocutor
                    1. +5
                      10 June 2023 16: 52
                      Quote: D-east
                      Learn to argue normally and not see the enemy in your interlocutor

                      I absolutely do not want to be on you with a person carrying outright nonsense.
                      Quote: D-east
                      That health is over - it ends for everyone

                      Is it normal when it ends before 50 precisely because of work, and the whole future prospect of receiving a disability pension of 5 thousand rubles? I have an example, my neighbor. I also picked up osteochondrosis at construction sites in Moscow. They gave the third group, despite the fact that he barely hobbled with a stick. And once he was a gold medalist and designer of cartridge lines, studying under the guidance of the Hero of Socialist Labor Koshkin and then working in the design bureau. He died useless 5 years ago, living like the last bum, barely reaching 55. So this delusional Leningrader would be better to keep quiet, talking about who studied for what.
            2. +1
              11 June 2023 11: 45
              And I could carry three bags of 60 kg at once wassat . But I couldn’t check it in practice, since the bags were packed in paper bags of 50 kg each and were torn, I grabbed them so hard! wassat fool Otherwise, the bags slipped out and it was impossible to hold them. fellow
    3. +3
      10 June 2023 07: 13
      Sample - the Soviet army arr. 1945
      1. +3
        10 June 2023 07: 43
        As a fighting force, yes. As an organization, no.
        And without a war (when everything is for the front, everything is for victory), it is difficult to take out such a colossus. Which is exactly what subsequent events showed. In addition, the sergeants "selected" in the war and the sergeants molded in the training of the 70s are two big differences, as they say in today's occupied Odessa.
        The Wehrmacht is a criminal organization from our point of view, but a more advanced military machine. Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov understood this. But the internal rejection of the enemy organization system was too great for the Soviet people, especially for the soldiers and officers of the Red (Soviet) Army, at the cost of incredible sacrifices that defeated the enemy.
    4. 0
      10 June 2023 08: 00
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      The Wehrmacht, who died in the Bose, can serve as a model for the organization of the army.

      ... where there were officers with combat experience in sergeant positions, and even privates, at least a sergeant, and often an officer, due to the reduction of the army under the terms of surrender. Well, you still bring Alpha as an ideal unit, there are also no privates there and the training is awesome. Only in a real army, and not artificially squeezed - in principle, it is not feasible.
      And specifically about the Wehrmacht - tell us about its ideality in the 44-45th years in terms of structure and training, when the old cadres had already evaporated and it was not the staff expansion system that worked, but the system of training l / s at all levels? Gomno, not the army!
      1. +3
        10 June 2023 08: 24
        You do not confuse the Reichswehr with the Wehrmacht!
        And the Wehrmacht arr. 1944 - far from arr. 1941 Worn about the impossible task of defeating the USSR. And the Red Army wore it down, due to monstrous losses, great courage and impeccable work of the rear.
        But, even bleeding in 1945, the Wehrmacht fought stubbornly and even tried to go on the counteroffensive. And when we shed touching tears for the 600 who died for the liberation of Poland, we are lying to ourselves. They fell mainly in the former territories of Germany, which Stalin, under the pressure of the "allies", was forced to cede to this hyena of Europe. And the fact that modern commissars are not in the guts of the thoughts of our great commander - one of the creators of the Great Victory - does not matter, it was the same 75 years ago. And it turned out just as he predicted, the commissars decomposed the army with their window dressing, and even the corrupt officials added. And now - there is a slow process of recovery, God forbid, we will recover.
        1. 0
          10 June 2023 08: 37
          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          You do not confuse the Reichswehr with the Wehrmacht!

          Don’t confuse this, the Reichswehr ended with the First World War, and before the attack, even on the Union, the Wehrmacht was staffed with overly trained troops created on the basis of the Reisver reduced to the Wehrmacht. And it was at the beginning of the war that every private was already fit for sergeants right away, and a sergeant for officers.
          Now further: "worn out"? So you were talking about the TRAINING system? Was she tired too? What then did the Germans themselves write in their memoirs - in the 41st we had poor equipment, but excellent soldiers, in the 43rd excellent equipment and disgusting soldiers? I do not remember exactly which of their surviving commanders.
          Just on the 41st and did not have to learn. but the Germans did not have a current training system at all, they could only teach according to excessive peacetime standards, that is, in no way, even the basics that were still in the Red Army, they were simply absent in the Wehrmacht - they tried to teach according to the old standards, but there was no time , as a result, even KMB accelerated - was absent
          But at the beginning of the war, for example, according to Rudel, all Yu-87 pilots had fighter training - that is, excessive training
          1. +1
            10 June 2023 09: 08
            It's funny, the Wehrmacht existed from 1935 to 1945. And the Reichswehr, it turns out, ended in 1939! Jointly. That means they lived for 4 years.
            The lyrics of all this, the miserable 300 thousand who passed through the Reichswehr would not have been enough for even a third of the German army arr. 1939
            Yes, you read "The Adventures of Werner Holt" by D. Noll. There, the German training, by no means sympathetically described, was studied in this system by an PRIVATE gunner-radio operator of the 11th tank division. The course - what kind of science is not taught. And all with practice, and this is in the winter of 1944/1945, when everything around is collapsing. And look at Burkhard - the sergeant-major of the peasants! He is a company of "panthers" - like a real hauptmann manages.
            I don’t argue, there were Faustnik boys, and Khivs and all sorts of other things, but the training of personnel was kept to the end. Yes, and we began to win when the fired battalion commanders were given free rein, and the generals were forced to act with German pedantry.
            So there is nothing to call the spirit of Mehlis as witnesses. Although I respect Lev Zakharovich for his personal courage and uncompromisingness in my own way!
      2. +5
        10 June 2023 11: 46
        As for the gomne of the Wehrmacht in 44-45, I think who butted with the Germans near Balaton and in the Ardennes, they probably had a different opinion
        1. -1
          10 June 2023 21: 34
          I agree, I overdid it.
          Quote: D-east
          About the Wehrmacht gomne in 44-45
    5. +8
      10 June 2023 08: 38
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      I believe that the entire male population fit for health reasons, upon receiving a secondary education, is obliged to undergo military service in the Airborne Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

      Does this mean that the Aerospace Forces, the Navy, the Strategic Missile Forces and other types and types of troops can be canceled? Well, or to complete them with people with disabilities and people who have not received a secondary education?
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      All other military specialties must be staffed by contract servicemen who have completed a secondary military school (technical school level). Stupid people and slobs who failed to graduate from a secondary military school in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have nothing to do.

      Those. served in the Airborne Forces for a year and a half, now you can go to the Aerospace Forces. Or submariners. Nuacho
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      - non-competitive admission to one of the universities (except for those requiring an increased level of special knowledge).

      Those. Are all "slobs and stupids" who have received a secondary education, served in the Airborne Forces, but not enrolled in a "secondary military school" automatically enrolled in universities?
      Strong move, Victor
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      All men who have not completed military service undergo further training only on a paid basis and are subject to special checks when they are admitted to secret work.

      So their bastards. Beer for union members only
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      Thus, it will be possible to make service in the RF Armed Forces a truly honorable duty, which, moreover, is a good springboard for life (a social elevator, as it is now called).

      Amazing recipes. Destroy the army, education, destroy the state, but elevators and trampolines
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      And in Russia a powerful layer of real men will appear, on whom the state will be able to rely in solving any problems.

      A layer may appear, there will be no state
      1. -2
        10 June 2023 10: 15
        Judging by the index, you are Alexander - the same age as my son-in-law, so we will make allowances for age.
        Does this mean that the Aerospace Forces, the Navy, the Strategic Missile Forces and other types and types of troops can be canceled

        The types of troops you have listed are already professional today. It is important that professionals receive training in their specialty at a specialized secondary military school.
        Those. Are all "slobs and stupids" who have received a secondary education, served in the Airborne Forces, but not enrolled in a "secondary military school" automatically enrolled in universities?

        Slobs and stupids have nothing to do in the Armed Forces and in the university. In six months or a year, the dumbass will fly out of the university - and then on a common basis. And the slobs will either be re-educated or thrown out with a loss of rights in six months of training for the Airborne Forces.
        So their bastards. Beer for union members only

        And you wanted to be at home and married, it won’t work! Others serve for you, so you - in the second place.
        Amazing recipes. Destroy the army, education, destroy the state

        Your dreams should not be attributed to others. Permissiveness and corruption ruined the USSR and brought Russia to a dangerous point.
        1. +2
          10 June 2023 13: 00
          That is, you propose to replace all ground forces with one airborne force. You can't defeat a strong enemy with light infantry!
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    7. +4
      10 June 2023 08: 55
      The nonsense of another theorist, very far from understanding the topic he touched on. Particularly touching is "the entire male population ... is obliged to do military service in the Airborne Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation." Comrade, there won’t be enough parachutes for everyone)))... and the bicycle was invented a long time ago and now these lisapeds are for every taste, from children’s tricycles to supersports. By the way, purely for you, the theorist, it would be necessary to think. how is a combined arms commander different. for example, from the commander of the Airborne Forces? You can find the answer, with a thoughtful reading, in the memoirs of Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Shtemenko. Seek and find))
      1. -2
        10 June 2023 10: 18
        The commanders have nothing to do with it. The commander is a product of the officer school. But at the school, please, after serving in the Airborne Forces.
        And there will be enough parachutes if you count the number of airborne troops from the times of the USSR!
        Thanks for the theory, it still needs to grow.
    8. +5
      10 June 2023 12: 23
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      Thus, it will be possible to make service in the RF Armed Forces a truly honorable duty.
      What exactly of what you wrote should attract the army? Getting into a crappy college with no exams? Or employment at a state-owned enterprise (where to get as many vacancies without qualifications as how many people leave the army every year) with his low salary?
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      All men who have not completed military service undergo further training only on a paid basis and are subject to special checks when they are admitted to secret work.
      That is, what we have now: there is a miserable amount of budget places (enough only for beneficiaries), the check lasts a month (by the way, what does the employee care about the duration of the check, this is the problem of the enterprise, that a person receives a salary, and is engaged in "give it, bring it").
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      And in Russia a powerful layer of real men will appear, on whom the state will be able to rely in solving any problems.
      Why did you suddenly decide that they will let you rely on yourself? Because they were driven into the army?
    9. -3
      10 June 2023 13: 21
      Great post! I do not completely agree with everything, but the plan is promising, at least for the country that they want to destroy.
    10. +2
      11 June 2023 01: 16
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      Thus, it will be possible to make service in the RF Armed Forces a truly honorable duty, which, moreover, is a good springboard for life.

      I have a friend who served in the National Guard and left the service due to disability. She sent her sons along paths where it is difficult to come into contact with the army. A senior physician, and during his studies, his mother sent him to work in South Korea, Morocco in order to learn to live in a foreign culture and country. The younger one was sent to study in one of the countries of Central Asia, though in a Russian Orthodox school. But this school actually plays the role of a recruiter of talented Russian-speaking youth to study in developed European and Asian countries. Many developed countries have programs for foreign talented youth to get an education in these countries with the prospect of working there. All that is required of a person is knowledge of the language and the ability to do well in exams and tests. That is, soon from Russia there will be a wild suction of more or less talented and capable of learning brains, and not only to Germany, Austria and South Korea, but also to China. In addition, it was not by chance that in the USSR university students were given the opportunity not to serve in the army. A mathematician gives birth to new ideas up to about 27 years old, the rest of his life he only implements these ideas. In technology, the birth of new ideas in the human brain matures up to about 30-35 years old, then comes the time for implementation. At the age of 40, the fading of working capacity and mental activity begins, at the age of 55, the degradation of the mental abilities of a scientist or designer begins. He can effectively transfer his knowledge and teach young people what he knows after 55 years, but he will master completely new things and solve complex mathematical problems at best 3 times than a 30-year-old. That is, sending a future mathematician or physicist to serve the country weakens its scientific potential in these areas by about 20%. What this leads to can be seen in the example of the DPRK. The country in 1960 indisputably surpassed South Korea in the economy and industry, by 1975 it was hopelessly behind. Reason for long service life. The recent successes of the DPRK are due to the fact that talented young people there are sent to study at the so-called schools No. 1 and then they are trained precisely as scientists and engineers. In all the pictures of Kim with participants in the testing of new technology, he is surrounded by relatively young guys who are quite cheerful and outwardly satisfied with life. Of my generation, who graduated from the same group of the institute with me, rarely had 2 children in the family, more often 1, and many never had children. So in Russia there is a degeneration of people capable of science into middle peasants who have abandoned the goals of gaining knowledge and devoted themselves to the earthly pleasures of youth, earning money and caring for the family. In about 5 years, this will result in a lack of succession of generations, not only in science but also in complex industries, such as aircraft factories. The first bell rang in Roskosmos. It turned out that the launch vehicle "Glushko-Korolev-Marx and others" of the 1960 model is better than the 2010 Angara.
  8. +7
    10 June 2023 05: 41
    And here is the result. Despite the efforts of instructors from all over Europe and, in addition, American specialists, whose competence we do not doubt, The Armed Forces of Ukraine do not demonstrate the expected level of training. Of course, this is a pleasant surprise, but the devil is in the details. And almost everything said in this article can be roughly attributed to the problems of training the personnel of the Russian army.

    I humbly apologize to the authors for inappropriate rudeness ...
    Why was it necessary to fence this whole garden about the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the nuances of the SVO in such an eminent symbiosis?
    The current SVO does not fit into any textbooks of military strategy just because this strange military operation is carried out not by soldiers, but by politicians.
    To call the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who shoot civilians in impotent rage, mock Russian prisoners of war and leave their colleagues to their fate, soldiers - the tongue does not turn ... Marauders, sadists, cowardly jackals, nurturing a single dream: see paris force Europe to recognize the MOV and dress up in the clothes of homosexuals and lesbians...
    * * *
    In this whole situation, the movements of the Russian “chief commanders and chiefs”, who have reserves of personnel, equipment and weapons in different districts, who allowed the openness of Russia’s borders, the death of thousands of Russian military personnel in opposition to superior enemy forces, become incomprehensible ... Or the experience of the Second World War, when to protect Moscow, the (practically inactive) Siberian and Far Eastern divisions were removed ...
    It doesn’t fit in my head at all that someone (not a military man and not related to service in the USSR Armed Forces or anywhere else) sees just such a conduct of the NWO ... Yes, this destruction of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station should have been foreseen ...
    * * *
    How much has been said about the destruction of the infrastructure that allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine to conduct an armed confrontation?! How many times will it be necessary to destroy the Crimean bridge or shell the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant in order to realize that it is impossible to live like this: fight fires in one half of the house, and walk in the other, like for the last time ...
    * * *
    Actually, it's not long...
    1. +3
      10 June 2023 12: 01
      Wait a minute ... About the inactive Far Eastern divisions, you, so to speak, said very rashly. The Japanese comrades had good intelligence and they knew very well how many troops opposed them in the Far East. Largely because of this, the army lost the argument to the fleet, where to strike - in the South, or in the North! Who knows how the Second World War would have turned out if we also had to butt heads in the Far East. These divisions doubled their work, first at home, holding back the samurai, and then near Moscow.
  9. +9
    10 June 2023 05: 43
    The APU has not become worse over the year.
    It’s just that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have become better or more adequate ... it has begun to “stretch legs according to clothes” ...
    1. +1
      10 June 2023 09: 40
      The APU has not become worse over the year.
      It’s just that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have become better or more adequate ... it has begun to “stretch legs according to clothes” ...

      While fans of parades, drill parades and others, God forgive me, biathlons, dressed in military uniforms with wide stripes, are "ruling" the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the increase in the adequacy of our army is very relative.
      1. 0
        10 June 2023 12: 03
        And when was the last time you saw shows and biathlons? I have a TV at home, but the last time I watched tank biathlon was at 21.
        1. +1
          10 June 2023 14: 03
          So it has already become a household name, a symbol of the modern Russian army, the quintessence of window dressing and eyewash. And if without symbolism, after all, no one thought to cancel the parades, and still the cadets of military universities for two months are practically only preparing for the parade. And acquaintances who still continue to serve say that the number of checks in units and military universities has increased significantly, but they check everything the same - filling out numerous magazines, appearance at combat reviews. All. But almost weekly.
        2. 0
          19 June 2023 13: 29
          Last week, one of our generalisimos decided to arrange a drill review near Kremennaya. While at the parade they waited for the arrival of the lamp-maker for 8 hours, they covered them with chimeras. I hope the lamp-maker and those involved are waiting for a tribunal through execution
    2. -1
      10 June 2023 10: 14
      Quote: Danila Rastorguev
      The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has become better or more adequate

      I didn’t understand what “better” means, but more adequately - perhaps. The activities of the RF Armed Forces last February were amazing from every point of view. However, the people who didn't miss the FPV/HFV and 080808 (and were interested in "these 8 years") were not too surprised.
  10. +14
    10 June 2023 06: 01
    It's just that the Western doctrine is by no means imprisoned for a global confrontation with an equal enemy. If you have a critical superiority over your opponent in terms of logistics, intelligence, communications and control - yes, this works great. Small units, highly trained, immediately receiving all the necessary support and controlled in real time - are deadly without a doubt.

    Well - and if the enemy does not allow you to do all this? Will it be able to strike supply chains, jam communications, intercept control, smash your heavy support assets, use powerful air defenses that make air support impossible?

    This is what the Soviet school was designed for, implying the presence of powerful self-sufficient formations, in the form of divisions and corps. Which most of the tasks could be solved independently ..

    Problems of the ukrovermacht - they are trying to use the American system against not the weakest - but a superior enemy .. At least - in technical terms.

    Problems of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - as a result of the criminal type of reforms, for some reason called Serdyukov's, we tried to adopt the Western scheme, completely destroying the Soviet one. At the same time - naturally doing this is extremely inept and mediocre. Apparently - sincerely believing that there can be no conflict with the West in principle, which means that the army is needed exclusively anti-Papuan, in the manner of the American one.

    In general, everything that happens in the Russian Federation, including in the field of military construction, in Stalin's time was aptly called cringing before the West.

    Of course - in a collision with adherents of the Western doctrine, we began to suffer defeats. After all, they are taught and supplied by its original authors, who for decades have polished and debugged all the roughness and nuances. And we - in this sense, act as just not skillful imitators.

    But judging by what is happening - we are going, if not swift, then at least a tangible return to the Soviet legacy. And if this is so - I think that it is precisely this that will allow us to finally win. God bless..
    1. -3
      10 June 2023 10: 11
      Quote: paul3390
      Problems of the ukrovermacht - they are trying to use the American system against not the weakest - but a superior enemy .. At least - in technical terms.

      Just the American system, which was worked out by the Americans from Afghanistan 79, showed itself perfectly. And last spring, and autumn in the Kharkiv and Kherson regions. Light infantry with ATGMs and MANPADS against heavy (but low-quality) forces.

      Now there are actions of full-fledged regular armies of third world countries. Approximately the Yemeni scenario. Here, the Americans do not have a proven tactic, they have to improvise a lot. Sometimes successful, sometimes not.
      1. -2
        10 June 2023 10: 49
        turned out great

        So this is what I'm talking about? Of course, it’s great - against either the weakest or the enemy practicing similar tactics, only in a weaker performance.
        1. -1
          10 June 2023 11: 03
          Quote: paul3390
          Of course, it’s great - against either the weakest or the enemy practicing similar tactics, only in a weaker performance.

          She proved to be excellent against the RF Armed Forces in the offensive, as they call it (march of tank columns on the cities) and in defense, as they call it (checkpoints near settlements, Kherson / Balakleya).
          Now we see a different format of battles, more ambitious and difficult for the attackers. Previously, the Nazis did not seem to conduct such large-scale actions.
  11. +2
    10 June 2023 06: 45
    So far, the following can be observed from the course of the counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: 1) The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and its political leadership have drawn certain conclusions from the failures of the past year; 2) The Armed Forces of Ukraine and Bankova showed arrogance and, I would say, with their statements and actions, they transferred the conflict to the phase when a political settlement became unlikely; 3) The worst thing for them now is that people, the personnel of the RF Armed Forces have realized: they are fighting for the future of their children, for their lives, for the lives of their women; 4) Regarding logistics: the comparison with the company in Iraq, which sounded here (in one of the comments) is incorrect, no one interfered with them there, but here there is a hodgepodge of everything that was at hand in the warehouses, and this does not facilitate the execution of combat the tasks facing the Armed Forces of Ukraine + to this it is partially destroyed; 5) Regarding training: the times that NATO countries provide them at their training grounds are not enough; 6) The political desires of the leadership of Ukraine and NATO are at odds with the real military capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine; 7) Superiority in the air, superiority in electronic warfare on the side of the RF Armed Forces; 8) So far, personally, all this reminds me of "Nievel Slaughterhouse"; 9) We will see the development of the situation within a month.
    1. +3
      10 June 2023 08: 15
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      the political leadership has drawn some lessons from the failures of the past year

      1) Do you mean just built a normal defense? well then yes..
      2) they did not change direction, they went to that initially
      3) "red word"
      4) why do you apply the example of actions in Iraq specifically to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and not the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? so we are stronger from the beginning ..
      5) agree
      6) I agree, this is almost always the case for everyone ..
      7) what's the point in the end? Artillery turned out to be the main one, almost like in WWI ..
      8) lyrics
      9) totally agree..
  12. +1
    10 June 2023 06: 51
    Probably, many have already asked themselves a question like what is happening with the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Well, somehow all the advantage that was mentioned (not without reason) earlier disappeared somewhere.
    What we saw in the operation near Orekhovo is surprising. Where is the Hymars processing of key points, preliminary strikes by assault groups on light armor, tank wedges driven in where it is thin ...
    All their advantage consisted in flooding the enemy with corpses in poorly equipped positions with a tenfold superiority in numbers. Well, I remind the witnesses of the "Saint Hymars" sect that, at the very least, he hit while he was something new, and now he is successfully shot down by the Shells (in the ratio of missiles 1 to 1) and the guidance systems are jammed by electronic warfare.
  13. +2
    10 June 2023 06: 52
    The article is certainly interesting and worthy of attention. But there are no questions.

    . what's going on with the APU? Well, somehow all the advantage has gone somewhere

    They will fix it. Senior NATO "comrades" will correct. Banderlog is not yet lost. And they haven't burned their reserves yet. It's too early to write off. And you can't relax.

    . The main thing is time. And the Ukrainians just don't have time.

    But Bandera has this resource in bulk! They have no time limit, due to the fact that the opposing side behaves exclusively passively, fettering their actions with a deaf defense.

    The Bandera people were preparing for the current offensive as much as they saw fit. We could even come in the fall! And no one would stop them from doing so. And if this offensive fails in a year, fresh units will be trained and a new one will be prepared. Unless, of course, a counteroffensive starts from our side, which many logically expect. Although our leaders, as practice has shown more than once, have their own logic. Half a step forward, two steps back. And again, some peace agreements to which "there is no alternative."
    1. -1
      10 June 2023 07: 19
      If the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine follows (and we expect it), it does not mean at all that our counteroffensive will follow. It seems that in the current state, a simple way out of the positional impasse is not expected.
      A radical decision for NATO is the opening of a theater of operations in the Belarusian direction with the involvement of NATO troops and, above all, Poland and the Baltic states. On our part, a strategic strike on infrastructure and communications, with immobilization and cutting off from the supply of the left-bank enemy group, and an offensive by large forces from Belarus on the right bank with the suppression of unorganized resistance, the capture of key centers and access to the western border of the USSR. The subsequent elimination of the actually surrounded left-bank enemy grouping is the task of the second stage.
      1. +3
        10 June 2023 07: 37
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        If the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine follows (and we expect it), it does not mean at all that our counteroffensive will follow.

        I agree with you. But many are already waiting for it.
      2. 0
        10 June 2023 08: 21
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        A radical decision for NATO is the opening of a theater of operations in the Belarusian direction

        for me, it’s much more realistic to send troops to Ukraine, but not as NATO, but as a “peacekeeping” contingent from Poland and Tribaltia .. I don’t see any benefit and sense for NATO to touch Belarus now ..
      3. +1
        10 June 2023 09: 12
        does not mean at all that our counteroffensive will follow

        Actually - is there something to attack? The concept of brigades and BTG is dead, because it is obvious that it does not play against a more or less serious enemy. For obvious reasons - they simply do not have the necessary strike power, and there are no developed means of supply over long distances. And the construction of normal full-blooded divisions anew is only at the initial stage .. It could be broken in a year, but to return it back - it takes a lot of time .. While you form, supply, train, you will find commanders capable of commanding large formations ..
        1. -3
          10 June 2023 09: 51
          Quote: paul3390
          It could be broken in a year

          What year is it. It's been rotten for 70 years. Yes, and 70 years ago there were problems.
      4. -3
        10 June 2023 09: 54
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        A radical decision for NATO is the opening of a theater of operations in the Belarusian direction with the involvement of NATO troops and, above all, Poland and the Baltic states. On our part, a strategic strike on infrastructure and communications, with immobilization and cutting off from the supply of the left-bank enemy group, and an offensive by large forces from Belarus on the right bank with the suppression of unorganized resistance, the capture of key centers and access to the western border of the USSR. The subsequent elimination of the actually surrounded left-bank enemy grouping is the task of the second stage.

        )))
        For better or for worse, the appearance of Tikhanovskaya's tank divisions in Belarus is theoretically possible, although unlikely. But about the left bank - empty chatter. Last March it was already empty chatter, what can we say about now.
        1. -2
          10 June 2023 10: 31
          Last March was already empty chatter

          Read indiscriminately: "after a strategic strike." And knowing the balance of forces in March last year, it was necessary to start with this.
          1. +3
            10 June 2023 15: 21
            Quote: Victor Leningradets
            after a strategic strike

            What's the blow? Another non-peaceful atom enthusiast?
      5. 0
        10 June 2023 12: 11
        It seems to me that you are already taking it coolly about the clash with NATO. I don't think our Western partners are ready to raise the stakes so high. To drink our blood, yes, using Ukraine.
    2. 0
      10 June 2023 09: 57
      Quote: Stas157
      Well, somehow all the advantage has gone somewhere

      And did it go somewhere? Isn't it too early, for a week of revival on LBS?
  14. -6
    10 June 2023 07: 13
    Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours!

    Quote: R. Skomorokhov, A. Staver
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine do not demonstrate the expected level of training. Certainly, it's a pleasant surprise

    So this is how it is? It is not our valiant army that smashes the united forces of the West, represented by 50 countries, whose goal is the physical destruction of all of us: democrats and non-democrats, all who are for Putin and who are against Putin, but it's just a nice surprise, not deservedly rendered to us by our enemies ... Why would it?

    The war is going on not only in the trenches, on the battlefield, but also in the headquarters of all levels. Our science of winning, as always, is on top and there is no need to belittle it.
  15. +5
    10 June 2023 07: 22
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine do not demonstrate the expected level of training.

    I respect Roman, but after reading this article, I got the feeling that the author is summing up the NWO. I think it's too early. The pros and cons of training soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by Western instructors can only be assessed after the end of the SVO. The article will be relevant when Russian troops advance to the western borders of Ukraine. Until then....
    Let's see what the Russian response to the "Ukrainian counteroffensive" will be.
    PS
    But in general, victory in the war with NATO countries can only be achieved by the superiority of the Russian economy over the Western one.
    1. -4
      10 June 2023 07: 43
      Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours!

      Quote: AA17
      The pros and cons of training soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by Western instructors can only be assessed after the end of the SVO.

      Do you doubt our victory? Do you hope that the West will destroy Russia and all its citizens?

      Quote: AA17
      Victory in the war with NATO countries can only be achieved by the superiority of the Russian economy over the Western one.

      Without defeating NATO, we will not have any economy in principle - they will not allow this. This is what NATO is doing in Ukraine, waging war with us.

      Their goals have not changed:
      Margaret Thatcher: It is enough for Russia to have 15 million citizens.
      Tony Blair: It is enough for Russia to have 25 million citizens.

      We disagree with the West only on the land issue - who will bury whom first.
      That is why they kill civilians and demolish villages, towns and cities to the ground.
      1. +5
        10 June 2023 08: 24
        Quote: Boris55
        Margaret Thatcher: It is enough for Russia to have 15 million citizens.
        Tony Blair: It is enough for Russia to have 25 million citizens.

        Margaret Blair: it is enough for Russia to have 35 million citizens .. but in reality, none of them - they said so - do not produce fakes .. hi
        1. +2
          10 June 2023 09: 43
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          reality, none of them - did not say so - do not produce fakes ..

          In reality, this was said by Russian propagandists.

          And they are right: in order to live like sheikhs, having the level of production of Saudi Arabia, it is better to reduce the population.
      2. +3
        10 June 2023 08: 27
        Do you doubt our victory? Do you hope that the West will destroy Russia and all its citizens?

        Respected.
        Don't talk nonsense. Don't project your fantasies onto others. Where do you see doubts?

        Without defeating NATO, we will not have any economy in principle - they will not allow this.

        How do you want to defeat NATO? In your opinion, it turns out: First, we will defeat NATO with sapper shovels, and then we will create a developed industry that produces modern military equipment in sufficient quantities? (Nonsense.)

        The superiority of industry determines the Victory in the war.
        ... If we compare the pre-war economic potentials of Germany and the USSR, then we must take into account that the industry of many conquered European countries worked for Germany and together they produced coal, metal, electricity, machine tools 1.5-3 times more than the USSR [2]. This also determined the superiority of Germany in armament (in terms of the number of tanks, aircraft, guns, approximately 2 times) compared to the USSR, which provided her with an advantage from the very beginning of the war. ...
        The advantage of the Soviet economic system was manifested in the fact that, with a smaller economic potential, the USSR was able to produce more and better weapons and increase growth rates every year. If in 1942 the USSR in the production of basic types of weapons caught up with Germany, then already in 1943 it surpassed Germany 2 times, and by the end of the war 3-4 times... http://www.m-economy. ru/art.php?nArtId=636

        "... The material basis for victory in the Great Patriotic War was the state economy, created in the prewar years in the course of building state socialism in the country...
        During the war years, Soviet industry produced twice as much weapons and military equipment and of better quality than fascist Germany. It was released (from June 2, 1 to September 1941, 1) 1945 thousand aircraft, 134,1 thousand tanks and self-propelled guns, 102,8 thousand guns and mortars. It should be noted that in a short time an industrial base was created in the eastern regions of the country ... https://mil.ru/winner_may/lessons/win_fash.htm
        1. +4
          10 June 2023 09: 39
          Quote: AA17
          How do you want to defeat NATO?

          What are the people's plans?
        2. -2
          10 June 2023 11: 28
          All power to the Soviets!

          Quote: AA17
          How do you want to defeat NATO?

          Are we not now defeating NATO? laughing

          For those in the tank. NATO unleashed a war against us just so that we would not have any economy - only a raw material appendage of the West (gas station). Without defeating NATO, the weapons we have, incl. and modern, against which the West has no protection and is not expected in the near future, it is not even worth mentioning any of our economy.
      3. +1
        10 June 2023 09: 46
        Quote: Boris55
        Do you doubt our victory?

        Victory?
        Quote: Boris55
        Do you hope that the West will destroy Russia and all its citizens?

        You overestimate the West. After the 40s, such unlazy people came across only in the East, and then rarely.
    2. +3
      10 June 2023 09: 49
      Quote: AA17
      only the superiority of the Russian economy over the Western.

      Some strange fantasies.
  16. +1
    10 June 2023 07: 34
    Hmm ... Well, everything here is new for me, I just didn’t come across it.
    But no offense to the author, the principle is clumsily stated. What was meant
    And this task is not connected in any way, or is not critical, in case of failure.

    And if it is critical, then such a task is not set? And what, the unit commander really has the right to change the purpose of the mission? Well, here I remember how the Germans in WWII covered targets with fighters, they repeatedly noticed that, for example, fighters covering the crossing, when a large enemy group approached, they simply flew away, well, then they could return and pinch those already bombed, scattered and shot ammunition. Well, Galland personally offered this to Hitler personally when covering the bombing of England, and that they say the fighters lose their only trump card when escorted - speed, maneuver and initiative, therefore they must hang out at their speeds and altitudes somewhere nearby, the bombers will shoot down more, but the fighters will impose fight by your own rules and more will be brought down. Hitler forbade Galland personally.
    We are talking about such an episode, they say, the commander of the fighter cover, they say, performs the task as he sees fit? So even in WWII it was clear that it was better when our fighters were hard covering, and not shooting down, they would fire in the direction of the enemy attacking - and back to their own, and not drive until they were shot down. Because otherwise the personal task will be beautifully completed - shot down, but the tactical one - failed, but ours did not take into account how many were shot down, 1 covered was lost - the combat mission was NOT completed
  17. +1
    10 June 2023 07: 42
    Well, with a single preparation, I generally fucked up. HOW can you teach in one heap, for example, GOR and PDSS ?! The specialization is the same, sabotage / anti-sabotage measures, but it’s like a tractor driver and a Formula 1 racer, even on wheels, but the areas do not intersect at all, there is nothing in common. Moreover, he specially brought highly specialized, with one specialization ...
    But they weren’t surprised about logistics, they were told for a long time, Russians in a white way, that there will always be 100% supply in war conditions, this is an axiom. At the same time, they have a logic, how long they laughed, they asked one of the green berets, they say. what will you do if you have to land on enemy territory without this reconnaissance drone? - How without? This cannot be. And that's all, the whole combat mission - because there was no nail in the forge
  18. +1
    10 June 2023 07: 53
    Lots of controversial stuff. But personally, I think that at the end of the war, Comrade Zaluzhny should give lectures for some time, how he commanded the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine against us, show our mistakes and pluses. Pre-knock out the nationalist Bandera nonsense, if he is ill with it. The leadership must do what the Bolsheviks did by appointing the White General Slashchov as a teacher at the officer courses of the Red Army.
    1. 0
      10 June 2023 08: 28
      Super offer!
      Only, I'm afraid the Anglo-Saxons will accept it.
    2. +5
      10 June 2023 08: 48
      He will not agree to this, for ideological reasons, one must understand that in the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are not only Bandera, but many ordinary soldiers who perceive everything as a defense of their country.
      1. +3
        10 June 2023 12: 19
        This is true, for 30 years many residents, especially young people, especially after a well-staged propaganda against our country, perceive themselves only as defenders of the country.
        1. +4
          10 June 2023 14: 12
          What the majority believes is the truth. At least - in this period of time. And when Ukrainians see footage of the liberated Mariupol and Bakhmut, dill propagandists don’t have to try very hard to convince the people of the need to defend their country so that their hometowns are not liberated.
          1. -1
            10 June 2023 15: 20
            Quote: UAZ 452
            when Ukrainians see footage of the liberated Mariupol, Bakhmut

            There and in the free Donetsk and Lugansk there was a lot of fun "these 8 years." Who wouldn't want Borodai as the president of the country.
        2. 0
          10 June 2023 14: 33
          Until 2005, I didn’t see any special “anti-Russia” propaganda, then the West began to invest in it, unfortunately the Russian Federation was engaged in the internal agenda and this direction overslept (to put it mildly). we were counting on a common memory, neighborhood - the green dollar turned out to be more attractive.
    3. 0
      10 June 2023 09: 31
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      But personally, I think that at the end of the war, Comrade Zaluzhny should give lectures for some time, as he commanded the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine against us

      In terms of? Naturally will read. However, those who are interested and look for themselves.
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      The leadership must do what the Bolsheviks did,

      Whose leadership?
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      putting the white general Slashchov as a teacher

      Do you mean Halder's invitation to the USA in the 50s?
      1. -1
        10 June 2023 12: 24
        Why is Halder here? It is a historical fact that General Slashchev (a fair enemy of the Bolsheviks) returned to Soviet Russia and, in fact, taught, in my opinion, at the Frunze Academy, moreover, fairly criticizing the students (they had just fought with him) for their mistakes. I read that he was killed by one of the listeners, whose brother was executed on his orders.
        1. 0
          10 June 2023 15: 17
          Quote: D-east
          I read that he was killed by one of the listeners,

          The Jews tortured the Russian knight.
          Quote: D-east
          It is a historical fact that General Slashchev (a fair enemy of the Bolsheviks) returned to Soviet Russia

          I know. Many were noted there, first of all, of course, Brusilov.
          But, you see, gardening in Constantinople is unlikely to threaten Zaluzhny.
  19. +3
    10 June 2023 08: 16
    Based on what can be seen, now the ukry are using the tactics of breaking through the defense of a weak enemy.
    If the enemy has a shortage of supplies, control problems, and has suffered heavy losses from overwhelming "fire from heaven", such tactics are justified.
    The columns run to full height, consolidate, and develop a breakthrough, asking for reserves.

    But now they are moving in such columns of "half-reconnaissance, half-assault" to strong positions without proper artillery preparation.

    The conditions for preliminary strikes by means of long-range destruction have not been met.
    This is partly due to the work of our long-range strike forces.
    In part, we see that the concept of replacing artillery and missiles with converted civilian drones did not work.

    Based on the available data, the Ukrainians have normal communications, good reconnaissance equipment, night optics, and high motivation of the personnel.

    Ukrs lack air defense forces, long-range strike means (deployed warehouses?) and lacks air support.

    Such use of infantry within the framework of the concept of overwhelming advantage in aviation, missiles and artillery (as in the Yugoslav war) is justified.

    In a situation where there is no advantage in long-range strike means, a fundamentally different tactic is needed.
  20. +1
    10 June 2023 08: 28
    About the US convoy, is it about Tasbolat Ibrashev? - they were Georgians. The offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is stalling for one reason - the Russian Federation took into account the mistakes of the fall of the 22nd and was more well prepared - honor and praise!
  21. +3
    10 June 2023 08: 39
    If the mattress army is so good, then why did they run away from Vietnam, Afghanistan and further down the list?))) Not to mention the fact that all these Syrsky, Zaluzhny, etc. are just talking heads voicing the text. Planning and command are handled by completely different people.
    1. +3
      10 June 2023 12: 27
      Maybe they wouldn’t have run away, but the politicians gave a jump, and then under the visor ...
  22. -1
    10 June 2023 08: 40
    Quote: Anton Temnukhin
    Is it? In 2003, for the war in Iraq, the Americans transported 300 thousand fighters with all weapons and military equipment to the other end of the globe, provided everything necessary and smashed Iraq in a month. And we will call these guys incompetent in logistics?)


    Iraq then could not be smashed, only to expel approximately 200 thousand Iraqi troops from Kuwait. Not without the help of allies. And most of the Iraqi army then - the same "Papuans", only the Republican Guard was really combat-ready.

    Quote: Anton Temnukhin
    Well, this is how to look. The "Blitzkrieg" has been thwarted, the conflict has been turned from a "small victorious" into a protracted and costly one, the "second army of the world" has been "performing the tasks of the NWO" for the second year against the twenty-second army, which, according to the assurances of our propagandists ... ummm ... propagandists, was supposed to scatter as soon as our army appeared on the battlefield. If this is "not well adapted to life," then I don't even know what a perfectly adapted organism should have been.


    Nobody talked about "blitzkrieg", no need to invent.
    And what, the "second army" is entirely in the NVO zone? Or did we, following the example of Ukraine, announce general mobilization? And nothing that we had to simultaneously strengthen our groups in other regions, and even cover the Belarusians?

    A perfectly adapted organism must be able to take care of itself, to ensure its own safety. What will happen to Ukraine if the West decides not to provide more military-technical assistance?
    This little animal has already lost its fangs, the only hope for imported prostheses...
    1. 0
      10 June 2023 12: 30
      No, Kuwait, this is not 2003, in my opinion, 1991. And as for the Potentials of Russia and the square, everything is right - only the tap will be turned off .....
  23. -1
    10 June 2023 08: 46
    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    for me, it is much more realistic to send troops to Ukraine, but not as NATO, but as a "peacekeeping" contingent from Poland and Tribaltia ..


    Excluded. The Poles have already promoted such an idea, in the hope of NATO support. But the Poles were made clear that there would be no such support and the notorious Article 5 would not be used. On their own, the Poles will not go on such an adventure, the gut is thin. The Baltic States ... well, well, "indestructible snail" (M. Zadornov).
  24. 0
    10 June 2023 08: 48
    Quote from Bingo
    And if it is critical, then such a task is not set? And what, the unit commander really has the right to change the purpose of the mission?


    According to the American PU, the unit commander has the right to interrupt the execution of an offensive combat mission and move on to defensive actions if the loss of his l / s exceeded 20%.
  25. -2
    10 June 2023 08: 57
    Quote: Stas157
    But Bandera has this resource in bulk! They have no time limit, due to the fact that the opposing side behaves exclusively passively, fettering their actions with a deaf defense.

    The Bandera people were preparing for the current offensive as much as they saw fit. We could even come in the fall! And no one would stop them from doing so. And if this offensive fails in a year, fresh units will be trained and a new one will be prepared.


    No. The APU has little time resource. How much is decided not by the leadership of Ukraine, but by Western curators. Who still need to report on the effectiveness of investments in the Ukrainian army. Elections are not far off, first of all - in the USA.

    If this offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fails, if the Ukrainians lose their best and most combat-ready units armed with Western BT, the initiative will pass to the Russian side. The new "Kursk Bulge" ... the Armed Forces of Ukraine will no longer have a year, and it will be difficult to make up for losses with high-quality replenishment.
  26. +6
    10 June 2023 09: 17
    The authorship of Skomorokhov and Staver under one article is just an example of an attempt to cross a grass snake with a hedgehog. As a result, the material leaves a generally contradictory impression, although one cannot but agree with many specific theses.
  27. +3
    10 June 2023 10: 25
    Staver, with his analytical skills, managed to rise to the rank of colonel? Wow! Now it’s clear who reported to the commander-in-chief that our tanks would be greeted with flowers
    1. -3
      10 June 2023 12: 33
      Let's make you a general! And then you have one gap and a lone star in the pursuit of current
  28. +3
    10 June 2023 10: 29
    Our considerations are such that, first of all, they are connected with the temporary (or not temporary) removal from work of General Vladimir Zaluzhny.

    VALERY Zaluzhny. Didn't read further.
    Centerum censo Washingtonium delendam esse
  29. +4
    10 June 2023 10: 35
    Quote: Boris55
    our valiant army smashes the united forces of the West, represented by 50 countries, whose goal is the physical destruction of all of us

    Wow! Here is an instance. Bark and wood of the brain.
  30. +6
    10 June 2023 10: 40
    Quote: ROSS 42
    I humbly apologize to the authors for inappropriate rudeness ...
    Why was it necessary to fence this whole garden about the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the nuances of the SVO in such an eminent symbiosis?
    The current SVO does not fit into any textbooks of military strategy just because this strange military operation is carried out not by soldiers, but by politicians.
    To call the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who shoot the civilian population in impotent rage, mock Russian prisoners of war and leave their colleagues to their fate, soldiers - the language does not turn ... Marauders, sadists, cowardly jackals, nurturing the only dream: to see Paris, force Europe to recognize the language and dress up in the clothes of homosexuals and lesbians ...

    Why don't they protect their country?
    If we discard all the slogans and politics, and just look at the facts?
    1. +3
      10 June 2023 12: 37
      It's right. I have already mentioned here that people were brought up by the citizens of this country (unfortunately, to me, having been torn away from their own). And now, of course, many consider it their duty to protect it.
  31. -3
    10 June 2023 13: 09
    Quote: Vladimir-TTT
    Why don't they protect their country?


    No. They are defending the regime that has turned the country into an obedient tool of the West, they are defending an elite that has long had villas in the West and accounts in Western banks... an elite that makes money on drugged cannon fodder, from which it profits even when Ukrainian soldiers really become just meat. Ukraine has become a paradise for black transplantation. Well, the Ukrainians wanted to integrate with Europe, some are integrating in this way, piecemeal...
    1. +4
      10 June 2023 14: 24
      Replace "Ukraine" with "Russia" in your comment, and otherwise, practically nothing needs to be changed. Only now the factor "June 22, 1941" works for them, and against us. And the current lend-lease is also coming to them.
      In all periods of its history, Russia has rarely successfully waged wars that were started by its own choice, and not from an enemy attack on its territory. And, by the way, those wars in which we are rightfully proud of the victories, we won in alliance with the Anglo-Saxons.
      So it is very difficult to come up with a more unfavorable configuration of factors for the Russian Federation - military, external and internal political, ideological - than those that have developed around the NWO today. You even begin to doubt that they just formed, and not someone decided to play on the field of geostrategy and multi-way combinations for the other side. The insider phenomenon seems to be not so rare in politics.
      1. -5
        10 June 2023 15: 47
        Quote: UAZ 452
        Replace "Ukraine" with "Russia" in your comment, and otherwise, practically nothing needs to be changed.

        So the West is trying to destroy Russia because it is his "obedient weapon"?
        Quote: UAZ 452
        And, by the way, those wars in which we are rightfully proud of the victories, we won in alliance with the Anglo-Saxons.
        Yeah, that's when they set their opponents on us and then arrived when it was all over.
        1. +5
          10 June 2023 16: 22
          Quote: Dart2027
          Is the West trying to destroy Russia because it is its "obedient weapon"?

          The British have a stable expression, "a loose cannon." This refers to a gun that has fallen from its mounts in a storm and flies along the deck. It must either be fixed or thrown overboard.
          Until 2022, everything suited everyone.
          Quote: Dart2027
          Uh huh, that's when they set their opponents on us

          Are you talking about WWII, when someone there defended the brothers of the Serbs, or about WWII, which the USSR entered against its will almost two years after it began? Or maybe the British dragged Suvorov to the Alps, to fight with Napoleon?
          Quote: Dart2027
          The author of the article and his associates

          All Novorossiysk patriots got tired of writing about it. Where were you 8 years old?
          1. -1
            10 June 2023 17: 18
            Quote: Negro
            Until 2022, everything suited everyone.

            We traditionally forget about the numerous attempts to arrange a coup in our country by the forces of various NGOs.
            Quote: Negro
            Are you talking about PMV when
            Russia was lured into the Entente alliance
            Quote: Negro
            or about WWII
            which was started by Hitler brought to power by them
            Quote: Negro
            Or maybe Suvorov in the Alps
            this is when Russia was dragged into a war with France, with which it had absolutely no reason to fight.
            Quote: Negro
            All Novorossiysk patriots got tired of writing about it.

            But none of them could answer a simple question about why then in Ukraine people are literally grabbed on the streets.
            1. +5
              10 June 2023 20: 56
              Quote: Dart2027
              About numerous attempts to arrange a coup in our country by various NGOs

              A memorial or something, or Hare Krishnas? How many armored divisions do the Hare Krishnas have?
              Quote: Dart2027
              Russia was lured into the Entente alliance

              )))
              Lured into the union, fine. Would you like the little brothers to climb to protect without an alliance with France and England?
              Quote: Dart2027
              which was started by Hitler brought to power by them

              What entertainers. Such maneuvers instead of simply recognizing the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk.
              Quote: Dart2027
              this is when Russia was dragged into a war with France, with which it had absolutely no reason to fight.

              So how did Suvorov end up there? Did the British hit?
              Quote: Dart2027
              But none of them could answer a simple question about why then in Ukraine people are literally grabbed on the streets.

              Fraternal people, cops and military commissars are the same.

              What's the problem? Are you against mobilization, perhaps?
              1. 0
                10 June 2023 21: 49
                Quote: Negro
                A memorial or something, or Hare Krishnas?

                Memorial and various NGOs, sanctions, communists, etc. But nothing happened to your hosts.
                Quote: Negro
                Would you like the little brothers to climb to protect
                If they climbed at all.
                Quote: Negro
                What entertainers. Such maneuvers instead
                That is, there is nothing to argue.
                Quote: Negro
                So how did Suvorov end up there? Did the British hit?

                Quote: Dart2027
                this is when Russia was dragged into a war with France, with which it had absolutely no reason to fight.

                Quote: Negro
                What's the problem?

                Quote: Dart2027
                But none of them could answer a simple question about why then in Ukraine people are literally grabbed on the streets.
                1. +2
                  10 June 2023 22: 10
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  NGOs, sanctions, communists, etc.

                  The memorial and Zyuganov are a terrible force.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  If they climbed at all

                  And what, it was possible not to climb? Wow.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  this is when Russia was dragged into a war with France, with which it had absolutely no reason to fight.

                  So what happened there?
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  a simple question about why then in Ukraine people are literally grabbed on the streets.

                  They answered you - people are being grabbed on the streets, because the Ukrainian cops and military commissars cannot, do not want, will never work like a human being.

                  By the way. How are the new Russians from Donetsk and Lugansk doing in terms of mobilization?
                  1. -1
                    11 June 2023 06: 49
                    Quote: Negro
                    The memorial and Zyuganov are a terrible force.
                    CC on the alert. However, on the fact of attempts to argue there is nothing.
                    Quote: Negro
                    And what, it was possible not to climb?
                    Not the fact that she would have been at all. Without a second front, the French did not fight very well.
                    Quote: Negro
                    So what happened there?
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    this is when Russia was dragged into a war with France, with which it had absolutely no reason to fight.

                    Quote: Negro
                    They answered you - people are grabbed on the streets, because
                    And photographing the cemetery with the utilized Banderites was also banned because
                    Quote: Negro
                    cops and military commissars are the same.

                    And, by the way, who do we grab on the streets?
                    1. +2
                      11 June 2023 16: 18
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      However, on the fact of attempts to argue there is nothing.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Such maneuvers instead
                      That is, there is nothing to argue.

                      Yeah. And according to Zyuganov, who planned a coup d'etat, and according to MacDonald and Hoover, who taught Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as chancellor, I have nothing to object to. There's just no strength.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Not the fact that she would have been at all.

                      So why climbed something? Or was it itching for the French in the Balkans? What are the French brothers there?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      photographing the cemetery with the recycled Banderites was also banned because

                      Yes, a lot of stupid things have been done.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      By the way, who do we grab on the streets?

                      Did you live in Russia last September? Do you also love your distant homeland from Berlin?
                      1. -2
                        12 June 2023 08: 26
                        Quote: Negro
                        Yeah. And according to Zyuganov, who planned a coup d'etat, and according to MacDonald and Hoover, who taught Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as chancellor, I have nothing to object to.

                        Of course, there is no escape from the truth.
                        Quote: Negro
                        So why climbed something?

                        We remember the Entente.
                        Quote: Negro
                        Yes, a lot of stupid things have been done.

                        So again there is nothing to say.
                        Quote: Negro
                        Did you live in Russia last September?

                        Well, so who we grabbed on the streets - specific examples and statistics.
          2. +2
            11 June 2023 13: 34
            Or maybe the British dragged Suvorov to the Alps, to fight with Napoleon?
            Is it really a secret that the British helped the Russian Empire with finances in the wars with Napoleon? Based on this fact, it may well be that Suvorov's foreign campaigns were also, to one degree or another, financed by the British.
            1. 0
              11 June 2023 15: 56
              Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
              that Suvorov's foreign campaigns were also, to one degree or another, financed by the British.

              Uh-uh, it's like today's Ukraine, or what? And what is the dispute then?
              1. -1
                11 June 2023 16: 37
                And here is not true. The Russian Empire acted in its own interests, with foreign financial participation. And the current Ukraine acts in the interests of the United States and Great Britain, ignoring its own.
      2. 0
        10 June 2023 20: 18
        UAZ 452 (UAZ 452)!
        So it is very difficult to come up with a more unfavorable configuration of factors for the Russian Federation - military, external and internal political, ideological - than those that have developed around the NWO today. You even begin to doubt that they just formed, and not someone decided to play on the field of geostrategy and multi-way combinations for the other side.
        Therefore, some people have subtle hints of thick circumstances (like deputy K. Zatulin), from which one step to thoughts of a military-political adventure ...
  32. -1
    10 June 2023 13: 12
    Well, somehow all the advantage that was mentioned (not without reason) disappeared somewhere ...

    Yes? And what is the advantage?
  33. -1
    10 June 2023 13: 30
    Quote: Author
    And here is the result. Despite the efforts of instructors from all over Europe and, in addition, American specialists, whose competence we have no doubt, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not demonstrate the expected level of training. Of course, this is a pleasant surprise, but the devil is in the details.

    read by Dmitriev
    There is an opinion that the Ukrainian
    the offensive was planned by General of the Army, Hero of the Russian Federation
    Valery Vasilievich Gerasimov.
  34. +2
    10 June 2023 14: 03
    Quote: D-east
    on the pursuit of current one gap and a lone star

    I never understood this love of the military for stripes, stars, aiguillettes, stripes, etc. Square cushions, piping, pull toe. It seems that someone failed the entrance to the ballet school and is now sublimating.
  35. -1
    10 June 2023 14: 27
    1. "And here is the result. Despite the efforts of instructors from all over Europe and, in addition, American specialists, whose competence we have no doubt, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not demonstrate the expected level of training."
    Why don't you doubt? Is there at least one example when the Americans prepared a combat-ready army? The Afghan army, trained according to Soviet standards, fought for several years without any replenishment from outside, the Afghan army, trained according to "NATO" standards, fell apart in a few hours.
    2.Probably, many have already asked themselves a question like what is happening with the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Well, somehow all the advantage that was mentioned (not without reason) earlier disappeared somewhere.
    And who, besides CIPSO, spoke about the advantages of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? The only advantage that the Armed Forces had was in manpower, which they once took advantage of. After partial mobilization, this advantage disappeared for us.
    3. What we saw in the operation near Orekhovo is surprising. Where is the Hymars processing of key points, preliminary strikes by assault groups on light armor, tank wedges driven in where it is thin...
    Those. you wonder why it doesn’t act like the Wehrmacht during the blitzkrieg (replace the Haimars with the Yu87, and the groups on light armor with motorcyclists and get 100% coincidence of the latest achievements of military thought with the tactics of 80 years ago), but tries to break through in the forehead like on the Kursk Bulge ? The answer lies on the surface - it is impossible to famously attack an army buried in the ground.
    4. [/i]We saw trampling and frontal impacts, which are somehow not even inherent in the Armed Forces of recent times.[/i]
    And what has the Armed Forces of Ukraine demonstrated so creative lately, say, over the past 4 months???? Stupid bodalovo in Soledar and Bakhmut?
    1. -5
      10 June 2023 15: 49
      Quote: Alexander Kochurkov
      And who, besides CIPSO, spoke about the advantages of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

      The author of the article and his associates.
  36. +3
    10 June 2023 16: 32
    That is, according to Skomorokhov and Staver, it turns out that the unsuccessful actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are due only to the supposed removal of Zaluzhny (there is no 100% confirmation of this) and the crossing of two military schools, and our defense has nothing to do with it ... Well, well ...
  37. +1
    10 June 2023 16: 33
    In the USSR, training regiments were created for specific theaters of military operations and they trained specialists for six to eight months from conscripts, training regiments for Soviet troops in the GDR, Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia and marine corps units, their training system differed from the training system training regiments for the Far East, the training system for Afghanistan also had its own specifics, training regiments for the Caucasus, then they placed a strong emphasis on mountain training. In Turkvo, the emphasis was on actions in the mountainous desert area. In the American army, the same training centers have been created for various theaters of operations, and training centers for American troops in Europe have their own specific training. By the way, about the American sergeants, in the USSR in the training regiments, platoon commanders did not take a lieutenant from a military school, and senior lieutenant-captains with forty service more than 5-10 years were in the position of platoon commander
    1. +1
      11 June 2023 13: 44
      You are wrong about young lieutenants in training. Our training platoons were completely commanded after school right away. And according to the state, the rank corresponding to the position in the training regiments was really a step higher.
  38. -3
    10 June 2023 16: 58
    Why don't they protect their country?
    If we discard all the slogans and politics, and just look at the facts?

    They want the "quilted jackets" to show their toughness ... it doesn't work out very well ...
    therefore, out of malice from failures, they mock the prisoners.
    Their motivation may be high, but! - cheap content.
  39. -2
    10 June 2023 17: 08
    I have lived in Virginia for a long time. And even for a year he taught history and social sciences at school.
    Everyone here is very proud of their army. However, I have always had difficulty understanding the central question: what wars did the US Army win? From my history course, I only know about the war against Mexico in 1846. Yes, the US Army participated in World Wars 1 and 2. But she won them as part of coalitions.
    That is, help me understand what grounds exist for assuming that the strategy, tactics, technologies of conducting military operations by the US Army are of value in this conflict?
    1. +3
      10 June 2023 20: 47
      Quote: pylon101
      And even for a year he taught history and social sciences at school.

      Well, I keep hearing about the lousy level of teaching in American schools. Here comes the example.
      Quote: pylon101
      What wars did the US Army win?

      Find a list of wars involving the US and select those where there was no coalition or the US was by far the main participant in this coalition. It's not that difficult.
      Quote: pylon101
      Are the strategies, tactics, technologies of conducting military operations by the US Army valuable in this conflict?

      The strategy, tactics and technology of military operations are valuable in any conflict. And the Americans have the richest, most diverse, and unbroken experience of military operations.
    2. 0
      10 June 2023 21: 57
      But she won them as part of coalitions.

      To create a strong coalition before the start of hostilities, or soon after they start, is a sign of sound thinking, strong diplomacy. And to get involved in a war in which you will be alone against a strong coalition is an indicator of the absence of these factors, first of all, the mind. However, when the chief diplomat is best known for what he "diplomatically" called deb. lamy of their non-partner partners, then why be surprised? Machismo is expensive, and the machismo of the elite is expensive for the people.
      1. -1
        11 June 2023 16: 05
        Quote: UAZ 452
        However, when the chief diplomat is best known for what he "diplomatically" called deb. lamy of their non-partner partners

        What was wrong with him?
        1. 0
          14 June 2023 20: 11
          Diplomats are paid big salaries not for (at least - not only for) that they cut the truth in the eye. I also know how, but my salary, I think, is significantly lower than that of Lavrov.
    3. +1
      11 June 2023 01: 31
      Quote: pylon101
      From my history course, I only know about the war against Mexico in 1846.

      There was also the Spanish-American War, the Anglo-American War, the US Army invasion of Canada. Vietnam and China were able to defeat the US army in 1973 and 1953, but at the cost of heavy losses, these Chinese and Vietnamese victories were pyrrhic.
      1. +1
        11 June 2023 04: 37
        Quote: gsev
        There was also the Spanish-American War, the Anglo-American War, the US Army invasion of Canada

        For 240 years? Wow, what Americans are pacifists. Didn't expect them.
        Quote: gsev
        Vietnam and China were able to defeat the US army in 1973 and 1953

        I don't remember. What exactly do you call victory?
        1. 0
          14 June 2023 20: 10
          Quote: gsev
          Vietnam and China were able to defeat the US army in 1973 and 1953

          I don't remember. What exactly do you call victory?

          So whose is Saigon? Oh, sorry - Ho Chi Minh City.
    4. ada
      0
      11 June 2023 05: 37
      Quote: pylon101
      ... That is, help me
      understand what are the grounds for
      assumptions that strategy, tactics,
      Do US military operations technologies have value in this conflict?

      ABOUT! What an interestingly structured question (didn’t AI help?), but unfortunately, its logic will not lead you to an answer that has any useful value, for one simple reason - in this conflict, the opposing side does not have and cannot have any other strategy, tactics and "technologies for conducting military operations" (I don't know what it is, I suppose the complexity of the terminology), except for those developed by the United States, that is, the essence of the issue in "value" is negligible - there is no alternative. Everything that you observe is a type - the Ukrainian war of the United States against the Russian Federation, and by and large - another attempt to establish a "new world order" by its new installer on a new theater through another gasket until the latter is abraded.
  40. +2
    10 June 2023 17: 28
    Quote from Duncan Idaho
    Quote: Hagakure
    I read somewhere that only two nations can truly fight - Russians and Germans.

    -300 Spartans?
    - A. Macedonian?
    -Persians of the Achaemenid empire Cyrus II (1 to 3 hordes of the richest man of that world Croesus, 14 days the fall of the Tiber?
    - Marathon battle?
    - Rome with its empire? The Cimbri War (250 participants), in which the Roman commander Gaius Marius manages to stop the German conquerors, Cimbri and Teutons
    -VIKING SIEGE OF PARIS - Do Parisians tremble before the Vikings?
    -Tamerlane, Genghis Khan and other hordes? CAPTURE OF BEIJING GENGHIS KHAN?
    -Napoleon and his empire?
    -Britain against Germany (and all of Europe) in 1939-1941

    Genghis Khan did not take Beijing. He founded it. Genghis Khan conquered the territory up to the Long River, there was not the Chinese Jin Empire, also former nomads. The Chinese were in the south, they were conquered by Khubilai.
    1. -2
      11 June 2023 01: 55
      Quote from Kuziming
      Genghis Khan did not take Beijing. He founded it.

      In 1227, during the life of Genghis Khan, the large city of Zhongdu in the state of the Jurchens was captured and destroyed. Already 40 years after the death of Genghis Khan, the city was built a little to the side in 1267. Both the old and the new Zhongdu seemed to be located on the territory of modern Beijing.
      there was a non-Chinese Jin empire, also former nomads. The Chinese were in the south

      By the way, in modern China, even the state of Koguryo is considered an ancient Chinese state. Apparently, the assertion that the Jurchens are not Chinese in the PRC is now a state crime. Recently, I talked with 2 Chinese women about a new trend in Turkey: a ban on issuing residence permits to Tatars and Russians from Russia and issuing residence permits to persons claiming that among their prodkov were Uighurs. The Russian-speaking Chinese woman tensed up from such a statement and immediately said that the Uyghurs were just Chinese living in the North-West of the PRC.
  41. +2
    10 June 2023 17: 47
    Quote: KCA
    So snipers have not gone on missions for a long time, but in suits made of nets blocking IR radiation, snipers are rarely shown, but Iskanders in such nets often block IR radiation and reflection of radars, the sniper is also not alone, at least with a gunner, which PK or Kord, Lobaev rifles land from 1200m with a deviation from the target in millimeters, there are few of them, but snipers of this level are piece

    Tell me the name of the film, I want to see about "they land from 1200m with a deviation from the target in millimeters" and suits made of nets with IR radiation blocking ...
    1. -1
      10 June 2023 21: 01
      Quote: Konnick
      1200m with a deviation from the target in millimeters "

      Technically, an accuracy of 0,2 arcminutes (in fact, the maximum achievable) gives a group of about 1200 cm at 7 meters. But these figures have little to do with combat work.
  42. +3
    10 June 2023 18: 09
    In the part where the author claims that a mediocre commander with a well-trained army will achieve greater results than a brilliant commander commanding a stupid armed herd, Napoleon Bonaparte categorically disagrees with him. He claimed the exact opposite. To doubt his mind in the military is unlikely to come to anyone's mind. I prefer his position. As he said, the ram that commands the lions will not defeat the lion that commands the rams.
  43. Uno
    +4
    10 June 2023 18: 48
    Well, I wouldn't draw any conclusions yet, it's too early, not even a week has passed yet, and everyone is already talking about the failure of the offensive. For some reason, everyone decided that in 4 days the Armed Forces of Ukraine should already be near Mariupol
  44. +1
    10 June 2023 19: 18
    So, the United States did not so much assist Ukraine in creating a new army, but helped bring discord into the heads of Ukrainian officers and soldiers. The service really turned out to be bearish.
    So far, events have shown otherwise.
    And here is the result. Despite the efforts of instructors from all over Europe and, in addition, American specialists, whose competence we have no doubt, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not demonstrate the expected level of training.
    This conclusion seems clearly premature...
  45. +1
    10 June 2023 20: 01
    Quote: Side view
    @ And us army: somehow an American dentist (for some reason everyone is interested in the war, here I am too) told me that some Israeli defense minister somehow dropped that an army of 3 university students would always defeat an army of 3 peasants. I don’t know if he said it, but they will probably win. It's about 105%

    I didn’t hear about the dentist, but Napoleon said

    Two Mamelukes are stronger than three Frenchmen, but 100 Frenchmen won't run.
    in front of a hundred Mamelukes, 300 Frenchmen will outnumber 300 Mamelukes, and 1000 Frenchmen will surely beat 1500 Mamelukes."

    A lot depends on coordination and command.
  46. +1
    10 June 2023 20: 03
    Quote: 2 level advisor
    Quote: Boris55
    Margaret Thatcher: It is enough for Russia to have 15 million citizens.
    Tony Blair: It is enough for Russia to have 25 million citizens.

    Margaret Blair: it is enough for Russia to have 35 million citizens .. but in reality, none of them - they said so - do not produce fakes .. hi

    Quite right. Here Yu. Nersesov writes about some of the spiritually strong false quotes:
    Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger:
    “The collapse of the USSR is the most important event of our time, and the Bush administration has shown amazing skill in this problem. I will prefer chaos and civil war in Russia, rather than the tendency to reunite into a single strong centralized state.
    Former British Prime Minister John Major:
    “The task of Russia after losing the Cold War is to provide resources to prosperous countries. But for this they need only 50-60 million people.”
    His predecessors Margaret Thatcher:
    "On the territory of Russia, it is economically justified to live 15 million people who serve wells and mines."
    U.S. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski:
    “The smaller the population in this territory, the more successful its development by the West will be. Slavs, namely Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians are the most recalcitrant peoples in the world. They can be destroyed, but not conquered. That is why this seed must be destroyed. Hitler was a stupid boy, he acted openly. We won't have any traces."
    Financier George Soros:
    “We need Ukraine as a torpedo in the war with Russia. The fate of the citizens of this country does not concern us at all.”
    All this is also hastily dug up on the Internet fakes.
    1. +3
      10 June 2023 22: 02
      People trust nothing more unconditionally than quotes from the Internet.
      VI Lenin
  47. +4
    10 June 2023 20: 59
    I think it's too early to rejoice. It feels as if not the main forces are being used to probe for weaknesses and deplete our ammunition. As soon as there is a weakening somewhere, the main forces will be sent there.
    1. 0
      11 June 2023 10: 28
      Quote: Tu-16
      As soon as there is a weakening somewhere, the main forces will be sent there.

      Well, yes. The art of war is so military. I think that now our generals are carefully and covertly creating such a "weak spot". It is necessary, in the end, to catch the main enemy forces ...
    2. 0
      14 June 2023 20: 15
      By the way, Prigozhin worked very effectively to deplete ammunition - he disposed of them in echelons, for the sake of turning a small town into rubble, the meaning of taking (oh, sorry - liberation of course) which no one understands.
  48. BAI
    +2
    11 June 2023 09: 15
    The main thing is time. And the Ukrainians just don't have time.

    Oh, how many times the authors wrote about the lack of time for Ukraine - no for training tankers, no for training pilots. And here's the miracle - there was always time. Available now if needed
  49. -1
    11 June 2023 10: 25
    The work of the Western armies solves only one problem - robbery. Kill as many opponents as possible, and loot. If you manage to kill all the men of military age, then it will take a long time to rob. If not, then rob as much as possible, then run. Be sure to run, everything else is wound up on this key action.
    How long have the Americans been in Afghanistan? During this time it was possible to build another country. But they stuck around at their bases, getting out of there only to transport the products of primary poppy processing to their bases, for further processing and subsequent shipment of the finished product to Europe.
    All their armies work this way. Short operations of "projection of force" so that the locals do not interfere while the valiant marines load the loot. And run away. The training of American "soldiers" is the training of bandits, "torpedoes" of the mafia. Create fire suppression to quickly kill other bandits. Why train soldiers properly? Their soldier is still the same poor man, caught in the slums, and quickly trained to pull the trigger, pointing the barrel towards the enemy. The only difference is that they learn to pull the hook longer, and they also give physical training.
    Yes, they can do a lot of harm. But that's not how wars are won! However, since for Western man war is robbery and merry killing, preferably with torment, they are not even able to understand the problem. Let them "learn". The bigger, the better...
  50. 0
    11 June 2023 20: 17
    Not all the thesis of the author is understandable. For example, how does firing a tank from cover at maximum range accelerate the wear of its gun? And for 1 km instead of 3 - does not speed up? :)
    As for the so-called. American instructors of drugs, then there are 100-200 people sitting there, scattered in different regions
    1. -1
      12 June 2023 10: 42
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      Not all the thesis of the author is understandable. For example, how does firing a tank from cover at maximum range accelerate the wear of its gun?

      The use of a tank gun for firing with a square-nest method with a PDO naturally wastes its resource.
  51. +1
    12 June 2023 14: 10
    Quote: UAZ 452
    Replace "Ukraine" with "Russia" in your comment, and otherwise, practically nothing needs to be changed.


    I don't see any need to replace it.
    And we maintain a database on our territory.
    And we conduct SVO relying on our own resources. Tanks, guns, planes - as if they were our own.

    Quote: UAZ 452
    And, by the way, those wars in which we are rightfully proud of the victories, we won in alliance with the Anglo-Saxons.


    Or vice versa. The Anglo-Saxons won with the support of Russia. It will be more accurate that way.
    By the way, how did the British help us in the Patriotic War of 1812? How many English regiments fought on the Borodino field?
  52. 0
    14 June 2023 09: 00
    An incompetent general commanding well-trained and competent soldiers may achieve something meaningful, but if a brilliant general commands a stupid and untrained armed herd, then everything will be very sad.
    I still trust the proverb more:
    An army of rams controlled by a lion - lions.
    An army of lions ruled by a ram - rams.
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  55. 0
    26 November 2023 12: 12
    Is it possible for the editors to buy some other photographs of broken Ukrainian tanks? I’m already tired of the same photo for ALL articles on VO. Or is this photo the only one that can be snatched from the Internet for free? The professionalism of the illustrators is off the charts...