Hidden threat: why don't the Armed Forces of Ukraine use FPV drones and counter-battery weapons during the counteroffensive?

Ukrainian UAV company

The Ukrainian counteroffensive has begun. Almost all interested parties are sure of this, despite the fact that the leadership of Ukraine has not yet officially recognized this.

At the time of this writing, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) have not achieved a special “overcome” - despite the constantly repeated attacks of Ukrainian soldiers and equipment, Russian troops hold the blow with little or no retreat from the advanced defensive positions. One gets the impression that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not calculate their forces and their offensive is about to bog down.

For Ukraine, this would be a serious defeat, and first of all not on the battlefield. For the leadership of Ukraine, the ongoing counter-offensive is like a report in the board of shareholders of a large company - in case of an unsuccessful “performance”, you can lose your place. To be more precise, shareholders-investors, that is, Western countries, may lose faith in Ukraine's ability to achieve victory on the battlefield, calculate current and future losses, and, based on the results, move on to another scenario for the development of the conflict - negotiations with Russia.

Indeed, despite the threatening rhetoric, Russia has been and remains among the leading powers of the world - because of its territory, resources, geographical location, access to strategic technologies and the presence of a powerful arsenal of nuclear weapons. weapons. In the coming confrontation between the United States and China, the role of Russia may be decisive, and Ukraine is just a bargaining chip. How to prove it? And remember who recently flew on an American spacecraft to the International Space Station (ISS). Maybe Ukrainian?

That is why the victory for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is so important. That is why they planned the offensive for a very long time and carefully, without starting it in autumn or winter. And that is why it is necessary to carefully analyze all aspects of the Ukrainian counteroffensive in order not to miss critical details.

There are at least two questions that need clarification:

- the first is the extremely limited use of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) by the Ukrainian side, in particular FPV-drones-kamikaze;
- the second is the limited use of counter-battery weapons.

Let's consider these questions in more detail.

FPV Drones

Even before the start of the Ukrainian counter-offensive, Russian military commanders talked a lot about the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were purchasing a significant number of FPV drones. According to some reports, purchases of components for them in China amounted to hundreds of thousands of sets or more.

In general, kamikaze UAVs, including FPV drones, have largely become the discovery of this war. Unlike industrially manufactured military UAVs, FPV drones assembled from civilian components can be purchased by volunteers and commercial organizations, and then, already in the troops, be equipped with any standard army ammunition, such as rounds from hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers (RPGs) or mortar mines. This allows to saturate the UAV-kamikaze troops as quickly as possible, even if the state and the armed forces were not ready for the new reality of warfare.

FPV drones with RPG shot

The low cost of FPV drones allows them to be effectively used against any types of ground vehicles and even against manpower. It is quite difficult to hide or run away from a prepared statement.

The disadvantage of FPV drones is the relatively high complexity of control, which requires trained operators, as well as the vulnerability of their data transmission channels to electronic warfare equipment (EW).

In addition to Russian military correspondents, Ukrainian publics often also demonstrated rows of assembled FPV drones and kits ready for assembly, and the Ukrainian authorities talked about the training of thousands of UAV operators and the creation of specialized army units - UAV-rota, designed specifically for waging war using different UAV types.

And now, the offensive seems to be in full swing, and the enemy uses UAVs, including FPV drones, extremely limitedly, what is the reason?

There are several assumptions.

For example, that the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot use kamikaze UAVs because they were “crushed” by Russian electronic warfare systems. Is it possible? Yes, of course it's possible. As we said above, civilian UAVs are not resistant to electronic warfare.

Or, for example, that large weapons depots, including kamikaze UAVs, were destroyed in the course of Russian strikes, which have recently been carried out very intensively with the use of long-range precision weapons (WTO).

All this is possible, but not required. There may be other reasons why the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not yet actively use UAVs, including FPV kamikaze drones.

Counter-battery fight

This war is mostly artillery - there are not so many long-range precision weapons so far that they can break the enemy or even have a decisive impact on the course of the war, the use of ambush tactics of air defense (air defense) by the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not allow the RF Armed Forces to gain air supremacy and roll Ukraine into the “Stone Age” with massive air strikes, as the United States did in Iraq, a significant amount of anti-tank weapons on both sides does not allow opponents to wage a maneuver warguiding tank wedges deep into the enemy defenses, crushing his rear and forming "cauldrons".

Ukrainian means of counter-battery warfare, supplied by leading Western countries, from the very beginning of the special military operation (SVO) were significantly superior to the Russian ones. Their advantages consisted of several components, including modern counter-battery radar stations (RLS), good communications and artillery/missile systems with conventional and high-precision projectiles exceeding the firing range of similar systems of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (AF RF). All this was supplemented by intelligence information generously provided to the AFU by Western countries.

Used in Ukraine, the American ANTPQ-50 counter-battery radar

The presence of modern means of counter-battery combat allowed the Armed Forces of Ukraine to largely compensate for the Russian numerical superiority in artillery and missile systems. However, during the Ukrainian counter-offensive, apparently, the Armed Forces of Ukraine use the means of counter-battery combat in a rather limited way - Russian artillery inflicts serious damage to the enemy in equipment and manpower.

What is the reason? The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation knocked out all Ukrainian counter-battery radars with Lancets, and the work of the remaining ones is hindered by Russian electronic warfare systems?

As in the case of UAVs, the limited conduct of counter-battery combat by the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the current stage of their counter-offensive may have its own reasons.

Calm before the storm

Of course, it is not entirely correct to call the current situation a “calm”, when our soldiers are fighting and dying on the front line. However, it may happen that in comparison with what will happen in the future, the current situation will seem like a “calm”.

What if the Armed Forces of Ukraine deliberately do not use the available stocks of UAVs and counter-battery weapons?

Why should they do it? For several reasons.

It is far from a fact that the advancing units are the best, prepared to break through the Russian defenses. What if they include many of those conscripts who were considered unmotivated and unsuitable for professional warfare? What if the Armed Forces of Ukraine use repetitive surges of “second-rate” units to solve several tasks at the same time, namely, to exhaust the Russian armed forces, to use up ammunition, primarily high-precision ones, and also to open the positions of Russian troops, primarily artillery?

We are defeating second-rate troops sent "for slaughter", while counter-battery radars and satellites of Ukraine's western masters are calculating the positions of Russian artillery.

On D-Day, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine decide that the Russian troops are sufficiently exhausted and their positions have been exposed, a massive strike will be delivered by missile systems, artillery and UAVs to the entire depth of the defensive positions of the RF Armed Forces. After that, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will indeed be thrown into the gap by those units that were preparing for this. It cannot be ruled out that by this moment Zaluzhny will “resurrect”.

Let's imagine for a second that electronic warfare does not drown out Ukrainian FPV drones, and that tomorrow the Armed Forces of Ukraine will use several thousand, or even several tens of thousands of kamikaze UAVs per day. And that most of the Russian artillery in the breakthrough zone will be destroyed or suppressed. What are the consequences of this?

Conclusions

Of course, all this can only be speculation with no real basis.

It is possible that a significant part of the Ukrainian UAVs were indeed destroyed in the course of long-range HTO strikes, and that Russian EW facilities do not allow the Ukrainian Armed Forces to use the remaining drones. They suffered significant damage and suppressed the means of counter-battery combat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the stocks of Excaliburs and Hymars were significantly thinned during the shelling of peaceful cities and towns. Zaluzhny is still dead or seriously wounded, and the new leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is significantly inferior to him in combat skills.

All this is possible.

However, if there is even the slightest chance that the scenario described above has the right to exist, then I would very much like to hope that those who are supposed to have foreseen it and took the necessary measures.

I would very much like to hope that the Russian Armed Forces have a stock of undiscovered and well-camouflaged firing positions protected from FPV kamikaze drones, that electronic warfare equipment is ready to disrupt massive enemy UAV attacks, and that there is a significant amount of smoke screening equipment. Aviation and the calculations of the Lancets are ready to destroy enemy counter-battery radars and artillery. That there are reserves ready for battle and mobile armored groups capable of closing the gaps that have arisen in the defense. That the “resurrected” Zaluzhny will be promptly sent to where he is supposed to.

If what the Armed Forces of Ukraine are doing now is not an offensive, but only preparation for it, then there is not much time left to wait, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have much time.

Comments

[Roust]

A swing for a ruble, and a blow for a penny. If the Nazis wanted to, and they really want to kill us, they would have done it with all available means. The main thing is that our leaders do not change the original plans of the NWO. I really hope that my grandchildren will know about Ukraine only from history books.

[Borik]

Yes, something volumetric-detonating on this area

[ramzay21]

The events of the last few days are not really expected and even the revival of our leadership shows that things are going much better than even they expected. And the author correctly asks the question: what is this? Mistakes of the command and the little experience of the Ukrainian Armed Forces or a deliberate and thoughtful move, with a solution to two problems.
Firstly, the troops sent for slaughter will cause the consumption of the ammunition that ours have accumulated, and when the shell hunger begins, they will bring in their main forces and strike with all their might.
Secondly, the troops sent for slaughter were recruited from those who did not want to go to war and not much for Ukraine, and this will reduce the potentially pro-Russian population, because both the survivors and the relatives of the dead will definitely hate us like we Germans for many many years.
But why then were such troops armed with modern tanks and infantry fighting vehicles? After all, NATO curators know how to count money and will not allow their expensive equipment to be destroyed, exposing it as targets. Therefore, this is apparently the case when our troops and the commander of this direction turned out to be stronger than the enemy.

[Adrey]

Quote: ramzay21

But why then were such troops armed with modern tanks and infantry fighting vehicles?

Both we and the enemy are fully aware of the "media character" of this war. Successes, failures, lost equipment, what kind of equipment, how it is lost very quickly find themselves in the "network" in the public domain.
It is quite possible that small groups will appear on NATO equipment just to indicate the presence. Or maybe not . "Fog of War" on both sides

[cold wind]

1. Nothing is known about the use of FPV drones and counter-batteries. Both sides are playing dumb.
2. It is not known what kind of battles are going on. This is the main blow, secondary or distracting. The purpose of the operation is not completely clear.
3. The losses published on the video are negligible, the motorized battalion is at a minimum.


I am more inclined to believe that the idea is to tie up our forces in battles, force us to use reserves and then strike elsewhere. For example, through the shallow Dnieper. There, our defenses are as weak as possible, communications are stretched to the maximum and are under constant attack.
In the case of such a scenario, there is a risk of encirclement of our Zaporozhye group. Mentally prepare for "difficult decisions".

[Adrey]

Quote from cold wind

3. The losses published on the video are negligible, the motorized battalion is at a minimum.

Not "insignificant" of course, but certainly not critical. Which does not seem to contradict my assumption:

Quote: Adrey

It is quite possible that small groups will appear on NATO equipment just to indicate the presence.

Quote from cold wind

I am more inclined to believe that the idea is to tie up our forces in battles, force us to use reserves and then strike elsewhere. For example, through the shallow Dnieper.

Very possible. I wrote about it immediately after the explosion of the dam.

Quote from cold wind

There our defense is weakest,

Most likely there is no intelligible fortification and saturation with forces (only at the expense of reserves).
But, the enemy can "cunningly" immediately begin the main attack at the shortest distance, counting on the fact that we will take it for a distraction.
All the same, crossing a significant water barrier and wetlands is still "hemorrhoids".
Our unconditional "-" at the moment is the lack of initiative, which is completely with the enemy. We react, and the enemy does what he intended.
Intelligence to help us and we'll see

[Negro]

Quote from cold wind

Nothing is known about the use of FPV drones and counter-batteries

While the article was being written, the question was removed by itself. Video from the drones of the Nazis in bulk. True, mostly nonsense - either UAZ or loaf.

Quote from cold wind

motorized battalion from strength.

Are you talking about "Bradley Cemetery"? There is a motorized rifle company, reinforced with a tank. Rather, the materiel of the company.

Good materiel, which means clearly not "terodefense". But one company.

Quote from cold wind

For example, through the shallow Dnieper

Difficult idea. But everything is possible.

Quote from cold wind

Mentally prepare for "difficult decisions".

While we see a tactical census. We'll talk about difficult decisions if they come to Melitopol.

[brave]

Quote from cold wind

I'm more inclined...
... In the case of such a scenario, there is a risk of encirclement of our Zaporozhye group. Mentally prepare for "difficult decisions".

Everyone believes in what is closer to his liking. Often skeptics see the bad in the good, from the fact that this good does not suit them. Forcing such a water barrier, and even with heavy equipment, is a very "difficult decision".
But you still mentally prepare that everything will go wrong for you;)

[alexoff]

Well, now the Dnieper has become shallow, the airmen have crossed, in a couple of hours three calibers arrive at the target of the Dnieper and that’s it, the landing operation is over, the evacuation of the surviving attackers begins

[Negro]

Quote: ramzay21

even the revival of our leadership suggests that things are going much better than even they expected

)))
Yeah. So Staver in the next section writes that the deed is done, the Nazi finished the war.

Again.

[Repellent]

Quote: Negro

Quote: ramzay21

even the revival of our leadership suggests that things are going much better than even they expected

)))
Yeah. So Staver in the next section writes that the deed is done, the Nazi finished the war.

Again.

IMHO you rejoice early. Although, I understand - for lack of a better one - such a reason will do.

Ukrainian African American.

[Negro]

Quote: Repellent

IMHO you rejoice early

I'm not happy yet.

[Repellent]

Quote: Negro

I'm not happy yet

Yes, well.

Quote: Negro

)))
Yeah. So Staver in the next section writes that the deed is done, the Nazi finished the war.

Again

Eat a lemon.

You so diligently draw parallels with the previous "difficult decisions" that I don't even know who you have to be in order not to notice this.

[Negro]

Quote: Repellent

You so diligently draw parallels with the previous "difficult decisions"

Well, you know. Everyone has had difficult decisions. Last February, the Nazis, dropping feces, fled from Novorossiya without a fight. In a week, they ran as far as Nikolaev, Zaporozhye (almost) and Kyiv. For a year and a half, no one has answered for this - that is, apparently, for today's Nazis this is the order of the day. Not Nazis, but some kind of sodomites.

Eat lemon early. Let it stay for now.

[Repellent]

Quote: Negro

Not Nazis, but some kind of sodomites

The ability to mimicry is standard for chameleons and net trolls. That is, they weren't surprised.

Quote: Negro

So it's early to eat lemon

That is, the presence happy muzzle you don't deny. And that's bread.

[Dilettante grandfather]

That the “resurrected” Zaluzhny will be promptly sent to where he is supposed to.

I hope that he, along with Budanov, is already where all Nazis are supposed to be. A couple of meters underground.

[Eduard petrov]

If what the Armed Forces of Ukraine are doing now is not an offensive, but only preparation for it, then there is not much time left to wait, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have much time.

They have a wagon with a trolley until the autumn thaw (they will also bring planes there). The article is very correct - it's better to overdo it ten times than ... another regrouping and gestures.

[TIR]

When artillery positions are discovered, they do not wait for X hour. They destroy them immediately, since artillery constantly changes positions. And they don’t throw second-rate parts on brand new Leopards 2A6. Most likely, they are simply trying to find weak areas in our defenses with cape assaults and exhaust us. The main forces have not yet joined the battle and are waiting for a breakthrough of our defense. In the event of a breakthrough, the bulk will pour into the gap formed and begin to wedge deeper into our defenses.

[Dart2027]

Quote: TIR

When artillery positions are found, they do not wait for X hour. They destroy them immediately, since artillery constantly changes positions. And they don’t throw second-rate parts on brand new Leopards 2A6.

When I read the article, I also thought about it.

[paul3390]

they're trying to find weak spots in our defenses

There are nuances here. Such tactics lead to the fact that you attack not where you intended, but where there was a weak spot. Accordingly - and not where it was intended .. This plays when the opponent has no mobile reserves and after a breakthrough - the front automatically collapses. An example is the actions of the Germans in 39-42 .. Or the autumn offensive of the ukrovermacht, when, after breaking through our thin front line, it became possible to develop success with impunity in any direction. For there was nothing behind him.

But if the enemy has something to parry and prevent him from freely frolicking in his rear, this usually ends in disaster for the attacker. For a successful offensive not in the direction of the main attack determined by the strategy does not lead to strategic results either. As a result, it is successfully countered by reserves. Examples are the Ludendorff offensive in 1918, when the Allied front was broken through and success was developed, but - completely in the wrong direction. After that, it was stopped without any decisive result, but with the loss of all its most combat-ready troops .. Or the infamous offensive of the 2 shock army near Myasny Bor, when it went along the line of least resistance almost in the opposite direction from Leningrad, with all sad consequences.

In the current situation, with a significant degree of probability, our command still has mobile reserves, plus not frail aviation. And for such tactics - it can be very painful to punish. Which I strongly hope will happen.

[alexoff]

In general, I would suggest that ours take and skip such attackers in some place, so that more of them get out on the attack, and then suddenly change their minds and drive them into the boiler. And while they are sitting in the bushes 20-30 km from the front line, it is difficult to get them

[Dimcor]

It seems like He’s hour has already come. Well, is there a mass pouring in? And where? To the cemeteries of Kyiv?

[rotmistr60]

What if the Armed Forces of Ukraine deliberately do not use the available stocks of UAVs and counter-battery weapons?

For some reason, I immediately remember a very thrifty foreman of the company, who regrets giving out a new set of something and keeps it until the rats gnaw it. So here too. You can save and wait until the moment that there will either be nothing to use (no one has canceled strikes on the rear and warehouses), or there will be no one to use (losses of l / s).

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Ukraine's human reserves are large, but not unlimited, and ruining its infantry and expensive equipment is not the best idea. Therefore, the thoughts of the respected author that the real offensive is still coming and FPV drones are not used because it has not yet begun, and when it begins there will be a real storm of FPV drones, in my opinion, are not true.

[Vladimir80]

The real losses in manpower khokh.lov are not as great as they like to report to us about them. And this is the main reason that the war will continue for a long time. And they can supply equipment to them indefinitely ...

[paul3390]

Ukraine's human reserves are large

There is still a huge difference between human reserves and trained human reserves .. The times of tea are not Buonapartia, when you could simply give a peasant a fusee and, after a week of training, unquestioningly obey the commands of a sergeant - calmly put him in line .. Nonecha - if you want to get the same fighter , and not just banal meat, whatever you say - but at least half a year old, you need to learn it ..

So far - for some reason our command gave this time to the ukrovermacht .. Why - I don’t know. But it is by no means certain that this will continue to be the case.

[Negro]

Quote: paul3390

at least half a year old, but you need to learn it ..

Few. The Americans, even in WWII, officially needed 8 months. In practice, when.

[Ross xnumx]

However, if there is even the slightest chance that the scenario described above has the right to exist, I would very much like to hope that those who are supposed to foresee it and take the necessary measures.

Those who are supposed to foresee everything could have listened to military experts and analysts and not played a game called SVO, waiting for the tank columns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to enter the border regions. The goals set by the great strategist: denazification and demilitarization - are as far away as the moon on their haunches. I would like to assume that all these entertainment events held in the country in parallel with the conduct of SVO, requiring material and human costs, will not have a negative impact on the fate of the country and its citizens.
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To be honest, faith in the omnipotent Armed Forces of Ukraine is small ... Beliefs that over the past year of hostilities, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, the General Staff and the Kremlin have ideas (strategy) that can completely exclude events like the destruction of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station have no evidence.
It is the suddenness and the use by Zelensky of something “fuck it for yourself” that is possible. And in the Russian leadership, everyone continues to fight with fictitious militias from the Wild Field. Entering the taste and sensing weakness, those 52 countries will continue sponsoring Nazism until Russia is completely brought to the state of the 90s.
Instead of mobilizing human resources, industry and using all the power of the RF Armed Forces, the Kremlin continues to invent a theory that time is playing on us and our motto: “You drive slower, you will continue!” the most correct, which "has no analogues in the world."

[paul3390]

Instead of mobilizing human resources, industry and using the full power of the RF Armed Forces

Alternatively, perhaps they are afraid of scaring the West too much and provoking it to similar actions. For the transfer of Western industry to a military footing at the moment is not needed in FIG either by us or by China.

For it is one thing - the RF Armed Forces have been marking time for more than a year, albeit inflicting terrible losses on the ukrovermacht, and quite another - our tank divisions, which rapidly reached the Polish border in a month. Here - the feeling of liquid diarrhea in trousers can really make the West go to great lengths .. In the meantime - why should he be afraid of us? Obviously, we definitely won’t have enough strength to go to Europe .. Which means that there is still a chance after the war to make peace and again indulge in the blissful transfer of raw materials to the blessed West ..

This is an option, because - well, there must be at least some logical explanation for what is happening ???

[Alexander Emrys]

the logical explanation for what is happening is very simple - our authorities believed that they would play the role of the Afghan Taliban, the Ukrainian regime would play the role of the Afghan government, and the United States was fleeing Ukraine as from Afghanistan.

the Kremlin did not plan a full-fledged war from the word at all.

and now he does not want her, but he is forced to fight, because otherwise he will completely lose face and may get a riot at home. hence all these strange half-measures and mysterious dances

[former soldier]

Do they hold kamikaze drones and means of counter / bat fight or not?
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1. And why should the Armed Forces of Ukraine use kamikaze drones at this stage, if our defense lines are drawn by NATO to the points and there are enough artillery and MLRS to work on them.
2. They are now using KBB funds and apparently to the extent that they can do it.
3. If the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which had been talking about a "counter-offensive" for so long, did not have kamikaze drones and KBB means at the beginning of June, then military operations (for any purpose) would not even be worth starting.
4. The assumption that kamikaze drones were destroyed in the rear in warehouses is unfounded because drones are not armored vehicles and it is much easier to hide them, but armored vehicles, as we see, are present.
Conclusion. No euphoria and hatred. And on our TV shows too.

[alexoff]

Cheap kamikaze drones have a range of only a couple of kilometers, and if the LBS is five kilometers entirely of minefields, then it is quite easy for the operators of such drones to get a mine by the scruff of the neck, because his body movements and running around with drones will quickly be noticed

[Tagan]

Quote: Vladimir80

The real losses in manpower khokh.lov are not as great as they like to report to us about them. And this is the main reason that the war will continue for a long time. And they can supply equipment to them indefinitely ...

If you believe the reports of the ukroreich, then of course they are scanty. This is from the same series that all our missiles and drones are intercepted.
The losses of the non-brothers are enormous, especially since the population in Ukraine has decreased by almost half. In this light, the ratio of losses at the front (and not only) plays with new colors.

[IgorZ]

And who to believe, Konashenkov's reports? You feel warm from these reports, but I don’t, it’s stupid to believe in wonderfully wonderful when the front line speaks of something else.

[Ruslan_3]

Quote from Igor

And who to believe, Konashenkov's reports? You feel warm from these reports, but I don’t, it’s stupid to believe in wonderfully wonderful when the front line speaks of something else.

So the military correspondents also say that the losses of the saucepans are large.

[Tagan]

What if the Armed Forces of Ukraine deliberately do not use the available stocks of UAVs and counter-battery weapons?

Sacrifice a bunch of weapons that were scraping in all corners, just for the sake of misleading the enemy and lulling his vigilance? Not to mention living power.
Doubtful version. In addition, fairy tales about indestructible ukrocyborgs have long been dispelled. It is very interesting who exactly prepared the super-professional warriors, who will have no equal on the battlefield and about whom no one knows anything until now? Aliens, right? After all, in order to teach someone something, you must have relevant practical experience. So which of the "partners" has it? This, to put it mildly, is somewhat different than chasing "barefoot boys" through the desert. Here it is rather desirable to know how to take the legs off in time. The author fell victim to the information war.

[Negro]

Quote: Tagan

It is very interesting who exactly prepared super-professional warriors who will not be equal on the battlefield

Weird question. Everything is clear here.

Another thing is that there was no time for this yet. A full-fledged training of a soldier should take two years (and I'm not talking about sweeping the parade ground), not to mention an officer.

Quote: Tagan

So which of the "partners" has it?

They, relatives, have.

Quote: Tagan

This, to put it mildly, is somewhat different than chasing "barefoot boys" through the desert.

With "barefoot boys" just have their own difficulties. The low intensity stage brings much more losses than the intensive stage.

[BAI]

meanwhile, the counter-battery radars and satellites of the Western masters of Ukraine are calculating the positions of Russian artillery.

What will they open? Artillery is constantly changing positions, after 10 minutes the information is not relevant

[stankow]

The intelligent firing position of artillery is being equipped for three nights. And no one will leave her, especially in 10 minutes. And where will he go, in an open field? Or among cottages?

[Glagol1]

If the author's version is correct, they can really strike with a second pace. And here only aviation will save. Moreover, we will have to apply it tightly, knowing in advance that we will lose 30-60 boards. But this is better than allowing 404s to the Sea of ​​Azov.

[Adrey]

Mitrofanov and "Mitrofanovshchina" can already be recognized after the first two paragraphs .
But in this case, it is a sin to accuse him of excessive fantasizing. It is quite normal to have a "joker in the sleeve" and a "straw that can break a camel's back" in the gas holder. Let's see

[certero]

Drones are not used because they have insufficient range to reach the artillery. And the enemy’s counter-battery fight is ongoing, it’s just that ours also learned to fight better.

[Negro]

Quote: certero

Drones are not used because they have insufficient range to reach artillery

Just now the lancet flew to Iris.

[certero]

Quote: BAI

Artillery is constantly changing positions, after 10 minutes the information is not relevant

It's not like that at all. A huge amount of artillery towed, she will not have time to do anything in 10 minutes

[Adrey]

Quote: certero

It's not like that at all. A huge amount of artillery towed, she will not have time to do anything in 10 minutes

And I would like to add that the number of prepared and targeted positions is far from infinite

[MBRSS]

I agree with the author! Moreover, Zelensky himself somehow blabbed that the counteroffensive would begin with an attack by an "army of drones."

[Bushkape]

They do not use fpv because there are no tasks for them.
There, the range is only 2-4 km.

[Rumit]

This theory certainly has a place to be, but I doubt it very much, and for many reasons
Firstly, why arm the meat with the best tanks of the latest modification (that is, the crews are at least somehow trained to lose), so are Bradley and French wheeled tanks, and that picture with the cemeteries of NATO equipment is quite a strong blow to the reputation of NATO and their military-industrial complex , plus, as the fighters report, the enemy began to spend highmars shells, not even ordinary dugouts, it’s kind of strange isn’t it, if they want to deplete us, then why would they deplete themselves
Secondly, why strike at the morale of your own troops (even trained and motivated, seeing such a picture will obviously not be delighted) and raise our morale, burning leopards are very encouraging, and all this time the tsipsos have tried to show how bad everything is with you don’t even hold Belgorod, but here it’s on you, so I really doubt that this is such a cool and insidious plan

[runway-1]

What if the Armed Forces of Ukraine deliberately do not use the available stocks of UAVs and counter-battery weapons?
... On D-Day, hour H, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine decide that the Russian troops are exhausted enough and their positions have been opened, a massive strike will be delivered by missile systems, artillery and UAVs to the entire depth of the defensive positions of the RF Armed Forces. After that, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will indeed be thrown into the gap by those units that were preparing for this.
...Let's imagine for a second that electronic warfare does not drown out Ukrainian FPV drones, and that tomorrow the Armed Forces of Ukraine will use several thousand, or even several tens of thousands, kamikaze UAVs in a day. And that most of the Russian artillery in the breakthrough zone will be destroyed or suppressed. What are the consequences of this?

It is a likely scenario.

[Mikhail Maslov]

Do you naively think that there is no second, third line of defense? There are no mobile reserves. And the Air Force? this is the meaning of our defense

[acetophenone]

Of course, all this can only be speculation with no real basis.

Neither add nor decrease ...
When in doubt, one should kill. © Ernesto Che Guevara

[Duncan Idaho]

Quote: Andrey Mitrofanov

why the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not use FPV drones during the counteroffensive

the maximum potential of drones in range
is exposed in the so-called FCC mode, especially in the 5.8GHz band (not available for private use / severely limited in the Russian Federation) and is noticeably limited in CE mode (available for private use in the Russian Federation; Available band: 2.4GHz).
To ensure legal compliance with their products, the developers used software to teach the drone system to automatically switch between ranges / power based on the received GPS positioning coordinates, and thereby
comply with the applicable radio approval standards of a particular country: FCC (USA) / CE (Europe) / SRRC (China) / MIC (Japan).
FPV flight range (FCC mode): 4 km (built-in antennas) / 11 km (when retrofitting control equipment with 2 × external antennas)
2-4 km is the limit in the LBS area.
It is very difficult, when attacking (and this is +/- 5/10 km/h), to ensure the “strike” capabilities of FPV drones.
And it is very easy for the operator to get under the distribution if he follows the advancing troops.

/ the operator is not behind the armor, he cannot move, he is half in another reality, he is not able to monitor the situation /
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are now experiencing for themselves what they used to terrorize the advancing units of the RF Armed Forces in the spring/summer of 2022.

Quote: Andrey Mitrofanov

and means of counter-battery combat

AN / TPQ-36
- In total, 130 systems were built for the US Army and Marine Corps, and the Ukraine-Russia front is not small at all, in terms of length

Radar detection range
- maximum 24 km
- effective mortar detection range 18 km
- effective artillery detection range 14,5 km
- effective missile detection range 24 km

- The deployment time of the station in a combat position does not exceed 5-7 minutes (but this is in theory), > 10 minutes in practice, coagulation +.- the same. Taking into account the "range" it is very difficult to follow the advancing troops.
- Russian troops are jamming data transmissions for VHF radio stations of the SINGARS AN/VRC-90, 92F and EPLRS AN/VSQ-2(V) series.
- mean time between failures (AN/TPQ-36 work for a very long time, and have already exhausted their resource in a year. Repair in a garage is impossible)

[Krasavchag2]

It is unlikely that now is "the height of the offensive," as the author writes. We have been preparing since autumn, the offensive on the ground - less than a week. Obviously, all summer they will try in different places in different versions. And, apparently, there are all sorts of "homemade preparations" that will be used in case of operational success. Drones in mass quantities can be such a blank.

[alexoff]

So the offensive immediately choked, and it was stopped, maybe the Azovites were not enough to drive the attackers out of the landings. And the blanks flew towards Moscow and airfields, through refineries and oil depots, maybe they have already used up some of the drones? Well, we don’t know how many of them actually got through the forest-fields. And that they managed to lose a significant part of the demining machines in a day suggests that they wanted to fight there.

[Demon]

All that was, it was distracting and deceptive maneuvers. If the Kakhovskaya HPP was part of the plan, then the main blow would be towards Melitopol or Mariupol through the shallow Dnieper with the maximum possible overlap of the Dnieper HPP. It would seem that the shallowed Dnieper should become a good barrier in the form of marshy swampy banks, but the video from those places shows a slightly different picture, there are a lot of places with dense sand and rocky ridges. That's where the Dnieper can be crossed with the least difficulty.
Now with regards to the UAV. If a lot of drones were shown, then there is a very high probability that they will fly. But for the training of operators, combat coordination and development of tactics of use, time is needed. We all saw the test flights very well. First, single UAVs flew to the border areas, then to the capital region, then group attacks began and even arrived in the very center. There is a probing of the defense and the adjustment of the entire new structure. Will there be something to answer to prevent losses from a massive attack, the big question!
As for the loss of new equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, this is a completely predictable phenomenon, the first pancake often becomes lumpy. Here is a relatively unfamiliar heterogeneous technique, a short training period, a lack of experience in its use, and surprises from the RF Armed Forces, in general, there are many negative factors against a slight superiority in technical characteristics (and it’s not a fact that there are superiorities) If you watch the program "Military Acceptance", we have the best technology.

[Mikhail Maslov]

The author, please, read the news from the front. They only write about art duels. We have an advantage in the number of art and strong air support. the most combat-ready, both in terms of armament and state. Moreover, our intelligence confirms this. There is also no secret about drones, some were destroyed by long-range strikes (watch the video on the Cart. The death of Ostap.) Some extinguish electronic warfare. And not yet it is not important to launch mass drones, this requires at least training and coordination, as well as significant goals. It just makes no sense to launch drones along the front line, the swarm will quickly be detected, which means there will be no effect.

[Griffith]

If we think logically, and not get carried away by the emotions that the author wants to sow, then firstly: if the troops equipped with new Leopards and Bradleys are second-rate, then the first-rate are already NATO troops. Does the author have inside information that NATO is already the second echelon? Secondly: FPV drones have a short range. From 2 to a maximum of 5 km. The gray zone in front of the first line has a distance of one to twenty kilometers. When forcing the Dnieper above the Kakhovka dam, it is even greater. You have to be an idiot to massively use such drones in such conditions. Does the author not know about this? And if he knows and writes, then questions arise for the author. Really massive use of FPV drones only if the Ukrainian Armed Forces quickly broke through the first line of defense and preferably the second, and then mass use is justified to sow panic on the 3rd line and in the rear of the Russian army. Thirdly. The author writes to us that they are now calculating the positions of artillery batteries of headquarters and warehouses. It's really sad who he thinks we are. Or does he not know that headquarters and batteries have the ability to change position? That the main warehouses are deep behind the line of combat? And that the information received today for NATO may no longer be relevant tomorrow. So that's it. Either the author needs to write something for the sake of it or... Well, something else or it raises a number of interesting questions for the author.

[barbos]

if troops equipped with new leopards and Bradley are the second grade, then the first is already NATO troops

To avert eyes, you can kill a dozen for the sake of a good feint.

FPV drones have a short range. From 2 to a maximum of 5 km.

Our AGS does not shoot at such a distance, and neither do snipers. And what shoots suffers in accuracy and requires adjustment.

headquarters and batteries tend to change position

How fast can they do it? And how is this taken into account given the total superiority of satellite and aerial reconnaissance?

[alexoff]

Quote from barbos

And what shoots suffers in accuracy and requires adjustment.

and it’s not so easy to hit with a drone for sure, they show us successful shots, but in fact there 90% will plop a meter and a half from the trench and maybe scare someone, and this is at best, the rest will get stuck in the bushes or I’ll stupidly arrive at the position and they won’t find anyone

Quote from barbos

And how is this taken into account given the total superiority of satellite and aerial reconnaissance?

you think too much about satellite reconnaissance, one satellite flies over a point once a day at great speed and then sends many gigabytes of photographic materials from a separate square via a megabit channel. During this time, the howitzer will shoot all the ammunition and leave for the bushes, where no neural network from the satellite will see it. And this is not taking into account the possibilities of collecting thousands of such snags from tin and water pipes.

[barbos]

you think too much about satellite reconnaissance, one satellite flies over a point once a day at great speed and then sends many gigabytes of photographic materials from a separate square via a megabit channel.

There are no gigabyte photographic materials there (this is about our satellites). Some (ours) still give analog image and telemetry even without encryption. There is a forum of amateurs who exchange data via satellites and receive signals from them.
And the fact that our satellites exist in a single copy and can appear only sporadically once a day does not mean that satellite intelligence has little potential.

[barbos]

Waiting for the right moment. Why immediately go with the trump cards, if they can be reserved for that very opportune moment?
Now there is a slow reconnaissance in force. Far from the fact that this is not a distraction. It is possible that there will be other surprises besides drones, counter-battery systems, air defense and electronic warfare.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Roust

I really hope that my grandchildren will know about Ukraine only from history books.

It is right.
Still, we need to learn from the experience of the Israelis.
The Germans still repent of the Holocaust.
So in Russia there should be textbooks, where it is not hidden, then about what they were silent in the USSR.
And in Western Ukraine, the descendants of those who burned Belarusian villages with people in them must publicly condemn these executioners.

[ecolog]

Bradley with Leopards 2A6 is apparently given out to "second-class" troops for "wearing down" and "probing". All this partly worked until partial mobilization, and the course for the growth of the contract Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, when really piece personnel could be knocked out with zerg rushes, and then the "Venk army" would come, which there would be no one to stop. Such a topic will not grow together.

[Igor1915]

Apparently, the Russian Federation cannot attack immediately for many factors. Then there is only one calculation - to exhaust the enemy. It is difficult to attack the Armed Forces of Ukraine for 2 reasons (with motivation, as I see it, all the rules) - minefields and poor aviation. They will work on this, the West is unlikely to cut off funding, for me their strategy is more understandable than the strategy of the Russian Federation, which I don’t understand at all.

[89824024836]

A full scale drone war is coming soon. Will there be a place for crewed aircraft and tanks in this war? It’s time to organize drone troops of different specializations by analogy with troops with living personnel. Aircraft drones are more effective than ground drones, the same tanks with artificial intelligence. The time has come to form armies of combat robots and drones. All living things that inappropriately take part in the battle must be removed to the control rooms and underground battle control points. Crew combat vehicles, T-90, T-72, T-80, as well as Su-34, Su-25, Tu-22, Tu 160 will soon fall into oblivion. It's time to change the vector of our military industry towards combat vehicles without crew equipment. Whoever switches the industry to unmanned combat vehicles first is the future. There is one interesting point in this revolutionary replacement of means of warfare - these are weapons with electromagnetic pulse (EMP) generators, including atomic, neutron and EMP pulses. It will instantly turn all efforts to create armies of robots into a pile of unnecessary hardware. If L.S. can be protected from both neutron and EMP pulses, then the digital controller boards of modern combat control equipment are unlikely.