F-16 is enough for one battle

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F-16 is enough for one battle


“Wait until the enemy gets the planes. Then draw a red line."
Sun Tzu "The Art of War"

Kyiv has shown interest in many types of combat aircraft. Among which are the following.



Dinosaur of the cold war - anti-tank attack aircraft A-10 "Thunderbolt".

French Mirage 2000. Despite its age, capable of using many types of modern high-precision weapons.

The same age as the Mirage is the Tornado fighter-bomber with variable sweep wing.

Lightweight multi-purpose "Gripen" Swedish production.

Sea salt-eaten F/A-18 Hornet.

There was also a cunning plan to get Eurofighter Typhoon fighters.

And finally - the choice in favor of the F-16.

Due to limited combat qualities and / or technical deterioration, all aircraft requested by Kiev are not of high value to the air forces of NATO countries. Only under such humiliating conditions can Ukraine expect to receive Western aircraft.


It didn’t take long for the F-16s to be completely toy-sized.

The image of an anti-tank attack aircraft with a seven-barreled gun was the first to appear on the pages of the media. Slow and archaic, this would look great in the hands of Ukrainian "savages".

"Thunderbolts" will not be able to cover the need for multi-role fighters. Supply quotas are limited. Under the current conditions, Kyiv is unlikely to focus on such "niche" strike aircraft. It is no coincidence that the Thunderbolt attack aircraft was never exported - none of the US allies could afford such highly specialized equipment.

For the same reason, the transfer of the F-15C is seen as unlikely. Such a large and difficult to maintain fighter, designed exclusively for air combat.

The yellow-blue dream of the Bandera regime was and remains the Swedish SAAB JAS 39 "Gripen". The lightest fighter of the 4th generation with a takeoff weight of 14 tons. One engine, minimum cost per flight hour. With the full functionality of a multirole fighter.

The small number of "Gripenov" cancels any talk about the supply of such aircraft. The transmission of the latest modification of the Griffins (JAS 39E) is beyond fantasy. the only newsclose to reality - the command of the Swedish Air Force promises to acquaint Ukrainian pilots with the capabilities of modern aviation.

One of the most complex and expensive modern fighters, the Eurofighter Typhoon, was not on the list by chance. "Typhoons" of the first series (Tranche 1) as of 2023 are considered in the West to be limited combat-ready units that require expensive modernization. Despite the fact that they are the most worn out in technical terms - after two decades of patrolling in the skies over Afghanistan and Iraq.

In the current situation in Kyiv, they saw the possibility of obtaining discounted Typhoons.

While experts expressed various assumptions, the fate of Bandera's Luftwaffe had already been decided behind the scenes of big politics.

The logical choice was the "Fighting Falcon". Deliveries of other aircraft were discussed in order to create noise and draw as many participants into the game as possible. And to amuse the pride of Bandera.

Many factors played in favor of the F-16


At the moment, every fourth fighter in the world is an F-16 (4 units were produced, adopted in 600 countries).

The F-16 is relatively cheap and simple (only the Gripen is cheaper).

The design of the F-16 contains a minimum of military secrets. For more than 40 years of operation, all the features of the F-16 have long been disclosed.

Despite its small size, the F-16 is a fighter and strike aircraft with a maximum payload of about 7 tons (weapons, additional fuel tanks, sighting equipment). "Falcons" of later modifications are capable of using almost the entire arsenal of Western aviation weapons. The F-16 quality data will be of particular importance for the APU.


For all the fame of the Falcon, in all materials for the general public, a clear and clear wording is missing - what is the main feature of the F-16?

Yes, a light fighter. Universal. Colleague and partner for the "senior" in the rank of F-15. During his career, he underwent a series of extensive upgrades.

Modernizations?!

Do you already hear restrained laughter among the audience of VO visitors?

The ugly duckling grew into an adult vulture


Short-range missiles "Sidewinder" with heat guidance. Six-barreled cannon in the root of the wing. Bombs-"cast iron" series MK.80. And that's it.

The most shameful was the restriction on night flights - the Falcon could only be used during daylight hours!

The year was 1980 on the calendar, and the "newest" fighter had no prospects in this form.

The deficiencies described were not something like childhood illnesses. The F-16 was deliberately designed in the ugliest way. Exactly as it was in the terms of reference - a cheap tool for hunting the MiG-21.

Participants in the Lightweight Fighter Program (LWF) underestimated the development of Soviet aviation too much. By the end of the 70s, the main enemy in the air was the MiG-23. Capable of destroying an F-16 from twice the range of the Sidewinder missiles!

And in the distance, the MiG-29 was already jogging ...

The Pentagon launched an urgent program to bring the stillborn aircraft to life, MSIP (Multinational Staged Improvement Program). Changes to the design of the F-16 made continuously for ten years. Starting from the very first day. Various versions of the fighter were produced in parallel on different assembly lines. Others were upgraded already in the process of service. All ideas that could improve the fighting qualities of the F-16 were immediately tested in practice.

Engineers threw everything on the drawing board and watched which technology would stick.

This is what distinguished the MSIP of the F-16 fighter from other "phased" and planned modernization programs for combat aircraft. All the hectic changes represented a struggle with the consequences of erroneous ideas about the role and significance of the "light fighter". The experience of the Vietnam War turned out to be completely unacceptable in the conditions of the 1980s.

Realizing that with the Sidewinder missiles alone, the hunter would quickly turn into a victim, by 1981 F-16 aircraft had armed medium-range missiles with a radar guidance head. The Falcon was returned to its main and most important weapon, without which a 4th generation fighter is unthinkable.

This version received the designation "Block 15".

In 1984, the next "Block 25" appeared. The radar has changed, now its characteristics are not inferior to the radars of the Soviet MiGs. The weapon control system made it possible to use the AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missile system. Under the wing of Block 25, for the first time, a guided weapon for destroying ground targets, the Mavrik missile, lit up.

1985 "Block 30/32" - fighters of these versions could suppress air defense systems using AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles. By this time, General Electric managed to squeeze out part of the orders for engines from Pratt & Whitney - this is how the double index (30/32) appeared in the designation.

The performance of the F-16 with the General Electric engine was initially limited. The engines were unable to develop full bench thrust. This is how the concept of “small” and “large mouth” arose, directly indicating a change in the size of the air intake.

According to American pilots, the Block 30 with its "big mouth" is the best version of the F-16 for close combat. By this time, the F-16 had not yet had time to noticeably stout from the upgrades, but had already received an engine with an increased thrust value. However, this may turn out to be just the subjective opinion of a retired Air Force pilot that he flew just such a fighter ...

1989 Then there was "Block 40/42" with the speaking name "Night Falcon". Suspended containers with sighting and navigation equipment (LANTIRN) made it possible to fly at low altitudes, find and hit targets at any time of the day. The aircraft's arsenal was greatly expanded with laser-guided bombs.


F-16C Block 40 at Aviano Air Base, 1999


The wreckage of this aircraft in a museum in Belgrade

For ten years, a universal fighter-bomber of the 4th generation has grown from the "dummy" - it has caught up and surpassed many of its peers.

The Falcon was revived by a copious infusion of funds. Otherwise, we would now be talking not about the F-16, but about some F-26.

Finally, if General Dynamics had originally created a fighter with such a reserve for the future, then in 1974 a prototype of a completely different aircraft would have taken off.

The "Block" numbered 1991/50, which appeared in 52, did not contain high-profile changes. A number of deficiencies that arose due to a sharp jump in combat capabilities in the previous decade were corrected. The Harpoon anti-ship missiles and relatively cheap guided bombs with a JDAM body kit appeared in the arsenal.

The final chord of the MSIP program.

With such a set of combat qualities, the F-16 continues to fly to this day.


Procurement of F-16s for the US Air Force ended in 2005. All subsequent versions were designed for foreign customers who wanted to get the most out of the 4th generation light fighter with one engine. Rare "Block 60" for very wealthy eastern emirs. And drowned in the glamor of high technology "Block 70/72".

With the advent of AFAR radars, all talk of a light fighter has lost its meaning. The price tag of Block 70/72 rushed far beyond the $100 million mark.

Only the take-off weight remained light - it is still limited to values ​​within 20 tons.

However, in Kyiv they can be calm. Bandera "Luftwaffe" does not shine to receive the latest "Block 70/72".

If the F-16 supply decision is approved, the further course of events and possible threats will become clear by the numbers of "blocks".

The Block 15OCU fighters in service with Belgium and the Netherlands, the more advanced Block 25, Block 30 ... or maybe Block 32 ... The brand of the engine will not be of fundamental importance to us. Only the first digit of the modification is important. As you can see, this group of falcons includes aircraft with completely different capabilities.

According to the laws of evolution, fighters belonging to the 40th and 50th blocks pose the greatest threat. Capable of operating around the clock and using a wide range of precision weapons.

The author does not undertake to predict a specific version. Kyiv has a chance to receive multi-purpose F-16s of any of the listed modifications, born in the period from the mid-1980s to the early 1990s.

Removed from storage or taken directly from the combat strength of the US Air Force and European countries. Exactly as it happened with the supply of ground military equipment.

Finally - a small technical blitz.

Pros and cons of the F-16


One could get the false impression that the designers of General Dynamics were desperately stupid. But it's not. The creators of the F-16 did a good job with vortex dynamics. They were the first to introduce a fully digital electric remote control system, and also experimented with an integrated layout.

In short: an integral layout means that when calculating the lift force, all elements of the aircraft structure cannot be considered in isolation from each other.


The illustration shows a visual explanation of vortex dynamics. The air vortices created at the root of the wing significantly improve the efficiency of the control elements. A sign of all modern fighters. In this case, the effect is largely weakened due to the absence of a second keel. The F-16 is the only fourth-generation fighter with a normal aerodynamic design and a single-fin vertical tail.

Pilots have been arguing about the convenience of the control knob on the armrest for half a century, while the F-16 flies. But everyone recognizes the successful design of the canopy, which provides excellent visibility.

There was a certain potential in this "dummy" - that's why the F-16 was fiddled with for so long, trying to bring it to life.

And of course - crazy engine thrust. At the time of its birth, the F-16 had the largest thrust-to-weight ratio of any combat aircraft. In the process of modernization, the normal takeoff weight of Block 50/52 increased by almost a quarter - in comparison with the original. However, the thrust of the Pratt & Whitney and Journal Electric engines also increased by almost a third. Without afterburner, engines develop 8 tons of thrust. Afterburner - almost 13 tons.

“If we had an engine like the Pratt Whitney, we would design a single-engine fighter.” Such a statement was made by a representative of the MiG company after meeting with the F-16. At least, according to the legend that arose after the MAKS-1995 air show.

To believe the legends or not is a personal matter for everyone. But the single-engine layout was one of the reasons the F-16 became a worldwide bestseller.

Flight with damage to one of the two engines is a rarity in a combat situation. Customers of the single-engine F-16 prioritized lower cost and daily operating costs. This made it possible to acquire a larger number of fighters and subject them to more intensive exploitation.

The fact that the F-16 is far from the best representative of the 4th generation was no secret. Customers chose the F-16 as the best option available.

Overseas, all the shortcomings of the F-16 were so lightly treated, because there was an F-15 in service. And also because the F-15 and F-16 fly on the same engines. And, as you know, "blood is denser than water." Such a kinship with a senior in rank once allowed the F-16 to bypass its main competitor, the F / A-18, to which the Sokol was inferior in many combat qualities.


The favorite is determined. Despite this, there are scenarios with the supply of other types of obsolete fighters. "US does not object to the transfer of decommissioned Australian F/A-18s."

mindful history with French tanks, who paved the way for the Leopards, the author admits the possibility of supplying a certain number of European fighters, for example, the Mirage-2000.
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  1. +26
    11 June 2023 04: 13
    Short-range missiles "Sidewinder" with heat guidance. Six-barreled cannon in the root of the wing. Bombs-"cast iron" series MK.80. And that's it.
    ...
    Do you already hear restrained laughter among the audience of VO visitors?

    Yes!
    Just roar! wassat
    No armored belt, no decent battleship caliber! The author spares readers, but I will not be shy: the caliber of the gun is a miserable 20 millimeters! A clear step back compared to the battleship Montana for both the USA and the author!
    1. +22
      11 June 2023 04: 52
      It would be better if the author, who is on permanent residence outside the Russian Federation, drowned as before in favor of submarine battleships and armored aircraft carriers. wassat Aviation is clearly not his topic.
      1. +7
        11 June 2023 07: 24
        The small number of "Gripenov" cancels any talk about deliveries such aircraft. The transmission of the latest modification of the Griffins (JAS 39E) is beyond fantasy.
        The Swedes may well start a transition to a modification of the JAS 39E, and sell the old ones for money ..... feel
        1. +2
          11 June 2023 19: 36
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          The Swedes may well start a transition to a modification of the JAS 39E, and sell the old ones for money ....
          The Swedes are all tormented by doubts: to change the entire second generation to newly built ones, or to modernize part of the C / D into E / F. And they will find someone to shove: they have been courting the Balts with this issue for a long time. One Lithuanian even ran Grippen - he was very pleased, more than 16th.
      2. +30
        11 June 2023 07: 54
        Absolutely uryapatriotic article with pulling an owl on a globe.
        The Armed Forces of Ukraine do not need an aircraft for air combat with our VKS, simply because our aircraft fly only over the territory controlled by us due to unsuppressed air defense. Therefore, the main task for the F-16 will be strikes against ground targets, and it knows how to do it very well, which will be a huge problem for us, especially considering that despite the bravura reports of Konashenkov, the aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are still flying and striking.
        Today, our Su-34s are terrifying parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with UPAB planning bombs with heavy losses for them, and there is nothing for the Armed Forces to do so yet, and with the advent of the F-16, they will also have such opportunities, and their UPABs are superior to ours in flight range due to better aerodynamics . And I don’t see anything fun in the appearance of a very powerful weapon in the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the advent of the F-16, which amuses the uryapatriots so much. I want to remind the uryakalkas that the MiG-29 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, after a year and a half, is still flying and shooting them down is no more difficult than the F-16.
        I also want to remind you that last year the Armed Forces of Ukraine also unsuccessfully began to fight against our troops under the command of Teplinsky on the right bank of the Kherson region in the Davydov Brod area, and then there was a regrouping. Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are also unsuccessfully fighting against the troops under the command of the same Teplinsky, but this is only the beginning of the battle and the big question is what will happen next, because we don’t have Teplinsky in command everywhere, there is also Lapin, who commanded the Regrouping troops, there are more stupid Muradov, Dvornikov and such generals like most of them.

        The F-16 was an advanced aircraft for a long time and was head and shoulders above our MiG-23 precisely in terms of obtaining data on a new aircraft. The USSR government issued a task to design the future MiG-29, and our lack of a powerful engine did not allow us to make the MiG-29 light fighter single-engine like ALL its predecessors are MiG-15, MiG-17, MiG-19, MiG-21 and MiG-23.

        And the fact that the F-15 engine was the same as that of the F-16 was the best solution, which made it possible, firstly, to save wildly on production, secondly, on logistics, and thirdly, on the training of maintenance personnel. And having run around this decision, successful in every sense, the Americans laid it out to do it on the latest fighters, putting the engine from the F-22 to the F-35.
        1. -15
          11 June 2023 08: 29
          How will strikes be made on ground targets?))) the way banderlogs do it now? single aircraft from extremely low altitudes? even armored, twin-engine Su-25s are shot down in this way. The "cardboard" F-16 has no chance at all. And to use, as in NATO, we need "avax" and electronic warfare aircraft, which are not and will not be in the near foreseeable future.
          1. +6
            11 June 2023 14: 49
            Quote: TermNachTER
            How will ground targets be attacked?

            About the same as now.
            Quote: TermNachTER
            single aircraft from extremely low altitudes?

            Depends on the possibilities in the particular area.
            Quote: TermNachTER
            The "cardboard" F-16 has no chance at all.

            As usual, it depends on the gasket between the steering wheel and the seat. Another thing is that now gaskets in headquarters are more important. People who know how to competently plan shock operations on NATO materiel are much easier to attract to business than mythical peppy pensioners at the helm.
            Quote: TermNachTER
            we need "avax" and electronic warfare aircraft, which are not and will not be in the near foreseeable future.

            And what, excuse me, will interfere?
            1. -10
              11 June 2023 15: 10
              A lot depends on the gasket, but not everything. Even the most excellent gasket will not replace armor and two engines. The recent landing of the Su - 25 in Melitopol is a clear example of this. F - 16 would lie down where it arrived. And where will the Avax and the EW aircraft come from in Ukraine?
              1. +6
                11 June 2023 15: 40
                Quote: TermNachTER
                And where will the Avax and the EW aircraft come from in Ukraine?

                In the Black Sea direction (Crimean, Novorossiysk), they already exist - there is a sky everywhere. To the west of Foros everything is visible from Romania, to the east - from Turkey. All sane people have been saying for many years that the Black Sea is just a shooting range. On the Donetsk (Lugansk, Rostov) or Belgorod (Voronezh, Moscow) direction, the NMD will need to fly on a friendly visit at least to the border of the Dnieper - and, accordingly, redraw a couple of red lines. As we know, there are no problems with red lines.
                1. 0
                  11 June 2023 17: 19
                  The real range of the "avax" is 400 km., This is if it is not "pressed" by electronic warfare. In order for it to work effectively in the territories of the Zaporizhia, Donetsk and Kharkov regions, it needs to "hang" somewhere slightly west of the Dnieper. With electronic warfare it’s even worse, in order to crush radar receivers and communication channels, you need to approach 100 kilometers or even less.
                  1. +2
                    11 June 2023 18: 26
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    there is no point

                    In tactical battles, the meaning is quantitative, one F-16 sortie replaces a Hymars battery salvo. Plus, the ability to protect the limber from helicopters is added. But more useful, of course, at the operational level. Let's wait with the strategic one, this red line has not yet been transferred.

                    The battles for air supremacy over Zaporozhye are nonsense, whoever entered the enemy’s air defense operation zone lost. I mean died. In order to reverse this status quo, efforts are needed on a non-tactical scale.
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    "avaksa" 400 km., ... he needs to "hang" somewhere a little west of the Dnieper

                    Yes, from the Dnieper (city) avaks can control the zone Kursk - Voronezh - M8 - Rostov-on-Don.
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    EW is even worse

                    EW planes should accompany the AWACS (although he is his own EW) and the strike group. According to AWACS, it’s understandable, according to the strike group, it’s being discussed: right now, deliveries of F-18s are being discussed, among which theoretically there may be growlers.

                    But we're taking things too far. In the coming year, there will be enough tasks even without avaks over the Dnieper.
                    1. -1
                      11 June 2023 20: 35
                      It is doubtful about "growlers", as well as about "hornets" in general. Aircraft "sharpened" for work from the deck. The maximum speed is less than that of the F - 16. Two engines, respectively, the costs are doubled. "Growler" is a narrow specialization, there are not so many of them to scatter them anywhere.
                    2. -2
                      11 June 2023 22: 12
                      About the Course - Voronezh - Rostov - on - Don - you "turned it down". At such ranges, he will be able to "lead" the An - 124, going 10 km. And if they will jam it accurately in all ranges, I'm not sure even for 300 km. One F-16 flight can and will replace the Himars package, provided that it flies where it needs to))
                      1. +2
                        11 June 2023 22: 36
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        as well as on "hornets" in general. Aircraft "sharpened" for work from the deck. The maximum speed is less than that of the F - 16. Two engines, respectively, the costs are doubled

                        The Air Forces of a number of countries, such as Finland, Canada, Australia, and Spain, have purely land-based F-18s. Canada and Australia are currently discussing the possibility of handing them over to the Nazis.
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        there are not so many of them to scatter them anywhere.

                        It's true. In this case, you need to look at the capabilities of container electronic warfare on the F-16s themselves.
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        At such ranges, he will be able to "lead" the An - 124, going 10 km

                        At this range for the E-3 is the horizon line. And according to the capabilities of the antenna, he will see everything that takes off from Millerovo or Baltimore.
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        if it is aimed at suppressing it in all ranges,

                        The question is when it will fly through the jammers. I'm telling you, before the appearance of AWACS over the Dnieper, you need to move a few red lines.
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        One F-16 flight can and will replace the Himars package, provided that it flies where it needs to))

                        The F-16 can enhance the Hymars' capabilities with the Nazi FAB-1000 (FAB-900 to be exact). But, of course, this is not about hunting tanks. And yes, such sorties need to be planned wisely - that's why I mentioned the experience of organizing such operations. In the relatively small Azov section of the NMD, the additional strike capabilities of the aircraft relative to the GLSDB are small.
                      2. 0
                        12 June 2023 06: 05
                        How does a land-based F-18 differ from a deck-based one? Do you think that Boeing recalculated all the parameters of the aircraft and rebuilt the production line? I think they simply did not install equipment for takeoff and landing on the deck, that's all the differences.
          2. 0
            11 June 2023 22: 46
            How will ground targets be attacked?)

            The same ones who have been hit by Hymars for more than a year. That is, intelligence will identify targets using NATO space and aviation intelligence data, receiving data from its agents and DRGs in our rear, although mainly from their air gunners in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and using UAVs, including Bayraktars. This data will be sent to the air units, where the coordinates of the target will be entered into the UPAB and the F-16 will drop them 70-80 km from the target without entering the zone of our air defense and several bombs weighing 250 kg will arrive at our strongholds and the nearest rear , which will carry everything into atoms.
            No one will use the F-16 like an attack aircraft, but our Su-34 or Su-35 are not used the same way as the Su-25. Su-34s only recently began to use UPAB, with modest flight range indicators, but they have already done a lot of things.
        2. PPD
          +8
          11 June 2023 11: 29
          The F-16 was an advanced aircraft for a long time and was head and shoulders above our MiG-23 precisely in terms of obtaining data on the new aircraft. The USSR government issued an assignment for the design of the future MiG-29
          don't be misled!
          The committee met in 1968.
          The prototype f 16 took to the air only in 1974, f15, by the way, in 72.
          There was information about the beginning of the development of new technology and nothing more.
          Yes, and f 16 at the beginning is such a "formidable" technique as much as horror. laughing
          Yes, the same Wikipedia, by the way, about f 15 says that, by the way, although not true, it is more correct. If it had occurred to anyone to convene a meeting in response to 16, then they would have had to convene a year in 1982 that way.
          And not earlier. wink
          The meeting itself was complex - based on the results of the "building of the armed forces" without excesses - this is about Khrushchev's excesses. Study of experience, analysis, etc. Work for the future. Asymmetric measures were tried to be applied even then. And the development of new aircraft by the Americans in the background, as a natural phenomenon in itself. And this is not only a potential response to new aircraft - there is also the possibility of delivering tactical nuclear strikes from low altitudes, a reduction in the range of equipment, etc.
          1. +2
            11 June 2023 12: 15
            If it were not for the collapse of the Union, the MiG-23 would probably still be "in service". The plane had both "cons" and "pluses". Through successive improvements and upgrades, it could well be brought up to modern requirements, like the F-16. In India, the MiG-27 still flies.
            1. 0
              31 August 2023 09: 06
              I completely agree, in fact, after 2008 and even more so 2014, it would be worth doing them, including to load Mig with orders.
              We have 600-700 mig-23/27 in storage, it was probably possible to collect them and collect about 150-300 ready for modernization, as well as some kind of zip kit, primarily engines.
              Put 4th generation avionics on them, hephaestus for bombing and it would be a wonderful light bomber.
              Moreover, there was no need to put the best on it; one could get by with simple solutions.
              Now it would be possible to leave them in Syria, and return the Su-34s home. It would be enough to drive the remnants of the Wahhobis on trifles.
              Yes, and in the NWO he would have found a place.
        3. +11
          11 June 2023 11: 44
          I will complete you! The main advantage of the F-16 is that it is the MOST MASSIVE 4th generation fighter! They were riveted THOUSANDS of pieces!
          This means that maintenance, repair and modification of the aircraft will be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than our MiGs or Sushki. And the number of weapons systems that are adapted for use with F-ok is just the sea!
          At the same time, in terms of its flight performance, it perfectly suits the Ukrainian theater of operations. Yes, the F-16 does not have the longest range, only in Europe it is not needed, everything is nearby anyway. And if anything, you can always use external fuel tanks. He is quite agile. And due to the use of only 1 engine, which means less fuel consumption (which further reduces the cost of servicing this aircraft). As a result, Ukraine, with the current budget (and constant infusions of money from the West), on the basis of the F-16, will be able to afford to acquire and maintain a fleet that is noticeably larger than if it continued to use Soviet MiGs.

          This is not to say that the MiGs are bad fighters - no, it was just created for the USSR (which is logical), but due to the large territories and the low concentration of air defense systems in the North and the Far East - I had to make the "light" fighter larger, more autonomous and stronger. Because of what, while remaining kind of like a "light" fighter, it was noticeably larger, heavier and EXPENSIVE (the most important thing in military technology) than a simple F-16. As a result, such an aircraft is expensive for Ukraine, but the F-16 will do.

          All the same, 5 good fighters are cheaper, stronger than 3 excellent but more expensive ones!
        4. +1
          11 June 2023 14: 44
          Quote: ramzay21
          Today, our Su-34s are terrorizing units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with UPAB planning bombs with heavy losses for them

          How did you find out about the losses?
          Quote: ramzay21
          further, after all, Teplinskiy does not command everywhere

          And besides the regrouping, does Teplinsky have any achievements? What exactly do you expect from him?
        5. +1
          11 June 2023 20: 44
          ramzay21
          MiG-19 was twin-engine
          .........,.................
        6. 0
          12 June 2023 06: 47
          MiG-19
          ... The MiG-19 is twin-engine ... but according to f-16 .. its efficiency will directly depend on the technical support ... the motor resource, regardless of the manufacturer, is no more than 2000 hours, this is at rated power .. the afterburner devours at the same time in nominal up to 10-20 times longer motor resource ...
    2. -7
      11 June 2023 11: 43
      Quote: Wildcat
      Yes!
      Just roar! wassat
      Please list the author's mistakes in this article. What is not true?
      1. +1
        11 June 2023 19: 15
        No errors were given, but they threw minuses ... Logic!
      2. +2
        11 June 2023 19: 44
        The main omission of the author is that he forgot to talk about European MLUs, and it is on them that the 404s will covet. They can be easily picked up under one and a half hundred pieces from Norgs and Danes. MLU is a block50 feature that needs attention.
        It would also be worth remembering that this is a very demanding car - it will not last long on second-class lanes of blocks: it needs an asphalt surface.
        I really hope that the competent organization of the process on the part of the military of the Russian Federation will not leave them time for retraining, preparing the infrastructure, persuading the "allies" ....
        1. -1
          11 June 2023 19: 55
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          he forgot to talk about European MLUs, and it is on them that the 404s will covet

          So in the "aircraft coalition" mainly Northern Europe, there are F-16s without MLA and almost none.
        2. 0
          11 June 2023 22: 02
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          The author's main omission is that he forgot to talk about European MLUs
          And what is this (MLU)?
          1. +1
            11 June 2023 22: 37
            Quote: bk0010
            MLUs

            Middle life update, electronics upgrade.
          2. +2
            11 June 2023 23: 40
            Quote: bk0010
            what is this (MLU)?

            Quote: Negro
            Middle life update, electronics upgrade.

            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            MLU is a block50 opportunity….

            What is block50 know? The most advanced version of the 16th in usaf, a truly multi-purpose machine
            PS -32 aircraft to new owner: Norway said Thursday it had completed the sale of 32 F-16 fighter jets to fellow NATO member Romania after getting the green light from US authorities. Romania signed a contract with Norway in November to buy the used F-16s for 388 million euros (around $418 million).
            Well, on what basis to distribute to freeloaders, if you can sell a lot for denyuzhka
      3. +2
        12 June 2023 00: 49
        hi
        You see, if you analyze the author's mistakes, you need to write a post the size of an article. I don't have the time or desire for this.
  2. +1
    11 June 2023 04: 50
    Memory does not change it was about the supply of F-16 Block 50/52: we'll see. There is no doubt that they will cause trouble to our Armed Forces, but they will not be able to turn the tide in favor of Ukraine. I have already written a lot about the reasons, but I repeat: the deliveries will be phased, there are no trained flight and technical personnel, the location of airfields, and this will be Western Ukraine, limits the weight of the combat load and they will have to act not in the greenhouse conditions of the Middle East, but in confrontation with the best in world air defense systems.
    1. -1
      11 June 2023 06: 26
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      it was about the supply of F-16 Block 50/52

      This is hardly, although what the hell is not joking. But I foresee that not the F-16, but the Mirages-2000 (up to 40 units) may be the first to appear in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as they are less demanding on home airfields. It is likely that the A-10 will appear due to the exhaustion of the Su-25 by the Nazis. But if we see that the runways are beginning to be asphalted, then expect the F-16 in the near future.
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      location of airfields, and this will be Western Ukraine

      This is also unlikely, the F-16 has a small radius, and they are unlikely to hang PTBs on it. Most likely, the airfields will be in Poltava, Vinnitsa, but in general - in the central used. And they will be dispersed in small groups. Perhaps they will operate from jump airfields, take off at one and land at another airfield. The preparation of runways for the capricious F-16 will not go unnoticed for any reason.
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      they will have to act not in the greenhouse conditions of the Middle East, but in the conditions of confrontation with the best air defense systems in the world.

      This is true, but I think that the fighter aircraft of the Aerospace Forces will still be the greatest threat to them.
      1. +2
        11 June 2023 14: 49
        There was a message that the Americans inspected the Ukrainian runways. They said that they are suitable for the F-16.
        1. -1
          11 June 2023 17: 54
          Quote from solar
          Ukrainian runways. They said that they are suitable for the F-16.

          If so, then in the second half of the summer these fighters will appear in the skies used. And immediately in the amount of at least two squadrons (up to 48 - 50 units). Then - more.
      2. +3
        11 June 2023 14: 59
        Quote: bayard
        "Mirage-2000" (up to 40 pcs.),

        It would be a stupid waste of time and resources. Although such cases are not uncommon during SVR, so it cannot be ruled out.
        Quote: bayard
        probably the appearance of A-10

        Excluded. A-10 is just a rarity.
        Quote: bayard
        that in / on the runways begin to asphalt

        Stripes are ok.
        Quote: bayard
        F-16 has a small radius

        The F-16 flies across the Atlantic under its own power (not from the states, but from Canada).
        Quote: bayard
        Most likely, the airfields will be in Poltava, Vinnitsa, but in general - in the central used

        Depends on tasks and red lines. Airfields are everywhere.
        Quote: bayard
        the greatest threat to them will still be the fighter aircraft of the Aerospace Forces.

        The fighter aircraft of the Aerospace Forces was lost last spring - no one has seen it since. And the greatest threat, of course, will be the mistakes of personnel entering the zone of unsuppressed air defense and strikes at their bases.
        1. +1
          11 June 2023 18: 11
          Quote: Negro
          Quote: bayard
          "Mirage-2000" (up to 40 pcs.),

          It would be a stupid waste of time and resources.

          "Mirage-2000" can be used as carriers of English and French CDs. In any case, there is a possibility of such a solution. And they are less whimsical.
          Quote: Negro
          Excluded. A-10 is just a rarity.

          They can get rid of this dilapidated rarity by "philanthropy".
          Quote: Negro
          Stripes are ok.

          Well, if it's normal, in a month and a half you will have it.
          Quote: Negro
          The F-16 flies across the Atlantic under its own power (not from the states, but from Canada).

          All hung with PTB. Will he also take off from the PTB on a combat mission? However, for scales used, its radius is quite enough.
          Quote: Negro
          The fighter aircraft of the Aerospace Forces was lost last spring - no one has seen it since.

          But regularly felt. Witnesses to this are representatives of NATO in / on, who have repeatedly noted the use of RVV DB from an unusually long distance.
          Quote: Negro
          And the greatest threat, of course, will be the mistakes of personnel entering the zone of unsuppressed air defense and strikes at their bases.

          Everything will be a threat, but when aviation is flying at low and extremely low altitudes, at large and medium distances, defeat is possible only from missiles from an air carrier. What is the fighter aviation of the Aerospace Forces. And they will rise higher - they will remove the air defense system.
          Quote: Negro
          attacks on bases.

          Yes And it will.
          1. -1
            11 June 2023 20: 05
            Quote: bayard
            "Mirage-2000" can be used as carriers of English and French from the Kyrgyz Republic

            English CR, also French, is Storm Shadow. You can screw it to anything, as we know.
            Quote: bayard
            they are less whimsical.

            I am no more interested in talking about the whimsicality of the most massive 4th generation aircraft in the world than stories about the weight of leopards.
            Quote: bayard
            Here from this dilapidated rarity

            I don't see the point. Specifically, on the NWO, there is little use for this aircraft, and as much fuss as with any other.
            Quote: bayard
            Well, if it's normal, in a month and a half you will have it.

            It has always been normal with them, but the F-16 has not yet been seen.
            Quote: bayard
            Will he also take off from the PTB on a combat mission?

            See where you need to fly. In any case, talking about the range of the F-16 compared to the Su-24 and MiG-29 does not make sense. The launches of the KR at the turn of the Volga are not yet relevant for the Nazis.
            Quote: bayard
            Witnesses to this are representatives of NATO in / on, who have repeatedly noted the use of RVV DB from an unusually long distance.

            No idea. Apparently these NATO representatives are concentrated in the Russian telegram. There they are also covered with dagger blows once a month.
            Quote: bayard
            at long and medium distances, defeat is possible only from missiles from an air carrier

            Yes, an air carrier can be useful. Hello lovers of NURSs with cabling.
            Quote: bayard
            And they will rise higher - they will remove the air defense system.

            Yes, there is such a problem. Actually, this is why we have not seen any aerospace forces fighter aircraft for quite a long time. So, complete with aircraft, ATAKMS in a noticeable amount would be very useful - perhaps this issue will get off the ground.
            Quote: bayard
            And it will be

            Everything will be, and this is another plus. Western aviation, among other things, will draw on the strike capabilities of the Aerospace Forces. Therefore, testing the Patriot against Russian OTR in combat conditions was necessary. Now they are gone and you can move on.
          2. +2
            11 June 2023 20: 11
            Quote: bayard
            Quote: Negro
            Excluded. A-10 is just a rarity.

            They can get rid of this dilapidated rarity by "philanthropy"
            Amer's budget dividers have not been able to get rid of the A-10 for several years now: the military rests against it - there is nothing to replace it with and firmly stand their ground.
            Quote: bayard
            Quote: Negro
            with stripes and so normal.

            Well, if it's normal, in a month and a half you will have it.
            It's you both joking lol 16th, like everyone else, almost require asphalt lanes for long-term operation. And what kind of lanes on the territory of the Union: block, 2nd class in general. See how they settled in Siauliai and Emari and how they started.
            Quote: bayard
            Quote: Negro
            -16 flies across the Atlantic under its own power (not from the states, but from Canada).
            All hung with PTB. Will he also take off from the PTB on a combat mission? However, for scales used, its radius is quite enough
            You already God's gift with scrambled eggs then don’t confuse: to overtake half the world is one thing, but as a colleague correctly said: to use also with three wrm PTB and a tanker? It's not feng shui.
            Quote: bayard
            Quote: Negro
            The fighter aircraft of the Aerospace Forces was lost last spring - no one has seen it since.
            But regularly felt. Witnesses to this are representatives of NATO in / on, who have repeatedly noted the use of RVV DB from an unusually long distance
            - You see the rabbit, but he is. She is not to be seen, and her presence has increased. I, too, am sorry that there are seams with information support ... but maybe it should be so.

            Quote: Negro
            And the biggest threat, of course, will be human error...
            .. undereducated, constantly adjusted with a lack of flying and no experience in use. Stupidly there is no time for everything
        2. +1
          11 June 2023 20: 25
          Quote: Negro
          The F-16 flies across the Atlantic under its own power (not from the states, but from Canada).

          This is in idle mode. "Dear passengers, the car is going to the park." Then yes. But the range of an idle flight with additional tanks and with a zero combat load does not mean anything.
          And with such a load and in the form in which it is now feared, it will not even reach the middle of the Atlantic.
          1. -2
            11 June 2023 22: 39
            Quote: Peter_Koldunov
            will not reach the middle of the Atlantic.

            And it is not necessary. A lot of interesting things are much closer. The question was that, compared with the MiG-29 and Su-24, recalling the range of the F-16 is not very appropriate.
          2. 0
            9 August 2023 19: 35
            And what is the sacred meaning for them to fly across the Atlantic in full body kit?
        3. +1
          11 June 2023 22: 07
          Quote: Negro
          It would be a stupid waste of time and resources. Although such cases are not uncommon during SVR, so it cannot be ruled out.


          What resources? Whose? If Ukraine, then she gets everything for free. If France, then she herself prepared them for decommissioning. Time is also a question. If the gypsies in the bazaar tell the truth that the Ukrainian military pilots have already completed their training on the Mirages, then in terms of time it’s just a solid gain.

          Then, there is no option "Mirages or something better." France does not have F-16 and never had it, and it will not give Rafali in the next year (I would have said that it would never give it, but everything is developing very quickly). And, although the Mirage is 16 times inferior to the F-8 in terms of production, they were still riveted under 500 pieces (half of the MiG-29, for a second). Pieces 200-250 should still be, if not on the wing, then in a condition suitable for quick resuscitation. Which is already more than the most daring plans for the supply of F-16s to Ukraine. Let's say India, Taiwan, Brazil and Egypt are not an option. Although, if the US asks ... But France, Greece and Qatar can roll out a hundred together. And the Mirage and the F-16 of similar upgrades are approximately equal to each other (the only reliable loss of the F-16 in an air battle and the only reliable victory of the Mirage in it is the same episode), while the Mirage still has a vacuum cleaner on the sides, and not under the belly.

          Mirage is a natural carrier of Scalps and various interesting French bombs with a range of up to 50 km (whatever they come up with so that JDAM is not done). Well, in principle, through the NATO bus, he must eat a lot of things up to Japanese anti-ships. And now Ukraine has about a dozen Polished Su-24s and every hard landing is a tragedy. Against this background, 40 Mirages are a gift from heaven. Moreover, in the context of a counterattack, one Mirage in July is worth ten F-22s in the fall.
          1. -4
            11 June 2023 22: 45
            Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
            What resources? Whose? If Ukraine, then she gets everything for free. If France, then she herself prepared them for decommissioning.

            Mastering a new aircraft model takes time and personnel, including ground personnel. If there is a decision on large deliveries of F-16s, then there is no need to be distracted by small series.
            Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
            Against this background, 40 Mirages are a gift from heaven

            If there are no other options, then anything will do - Mirage, Eurofighter Phase 1, Tornado, and Swede. But it seems that in the case of aviation, the logic "with the world in a string" has taken some adequate forms. They will no longer organize a traveling zoo like with artillery.
    2. -1
      11 June 2023 07: 17
      There are very strong doubts. I read an article on a mattress polkan - Air Force. Flight time on F - 16, 2600 hours. So, he writes that the F - 16 will be effective if NATO (Jewish) tactics are used. "Awax" + EW aircraft + a pair of "needles" on the cover. But this is impossible. P in open battles, Blok 50/52 has no chance. This is not to mention the problems of basing and ground handling.
      1. +3
        11 June 2023 09: 53
        Quote: TermNachTER
        F - 16 will be effective if NATO (Jewish) tactics are used. "Awax" + electronic warfare aircraft + a pair of "needles" on cover

        I agree with you. In fact, at least the F-22, F-35, without organizing their combat use with the appropriate database support, will not give anything by themselves. The situation is the same in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and in the air defense now. Air defense is an organized system and not separate complexes, be they any.
        1. +1
          11 June 2023 10: 05
          Exactly. Polkan writes that it makes no sense to transfer the F-16 now. To apply correctly - there is no possibility, but not correctly - they will be quickly knocked out, without any visible result.
        2. -2
          11 June 2023 14: 23
          Quote: NIKNN
          In fact, at least the F-22, F-35, without organizing their combat use with the appropriate database support, by themselves will not give anything

          Depends on the problem statement. Yes, it will not be possible to destroy air defense / airborne forces throughout the territory of the Russian Federation and seize complete air supremacy from Murmansk to Vladivostok. But in principle, this is not yet required. For their part, the Nazis already have a clear sky - but there are no means to realize the corresponding opportunities.
          1. +2
            11 June 2023 14: 38
            In head-on battles, in the Zaporozhye - Melitopol - Berdyansk - Gulyai - Pole square, without appropriate support, they will be able to create some problems for the Aerospace Forces for several days, after which they simply run out.
            1. +1
              11 June 2023 15: 29
              Quote: TermNachTER
              In head-on battles, in the square Zaporozhye - Melitopol - Berdyansk - Walk - Field

              This "square" has a side of 150 kilometers or less. Art and OTRK are everywhere. I don’t see any tasks, except for controlling the lower floor from helicopters from my sky, for aviation. The idea of ​​nightmarish communications in the style of "highway of death" in Iraq looks attractive, but this requires full-fledged operations to suppress air defense and air forces throughout the region - it is unlikely that the first tasks will be set so widely.
              1. +1
                11 June 2023 17: 23
                So I say, there is no point even if you just try to draw the Aerospace Forces into oncoming battles in order to alleviate the situation on the ground. Elsewhere, it makes even less sense.
                1. +2
                  11 June 2023 18: 20
                  The only benefit from the F-16 may be to provide air defense from the KR and attack drones (Geraniums). Approaching the LBS is fraught for them, but organizing air defense from the Kyrgyz Republic is a completely feasible task.
                  1. +4
                    11 June 2023 20: 23
                    Quote: bayard
                    The only benefit of the F-16 would be to provide...
                    I disagree with you - they can be carriers of all sorts of storm shadows, and then you have to wet them before entering the launch zones.
                    To ensure air defense - the radar field was thinned out, the reaction time is nowhere worse - no, it won’t work
                    1. -1
                      11 June 2023 20: 40
                      He will not be a carrier of "storm-shadow" and "taurus", his suspension is not designed for such a weight. He has a maximum speed of 1050 - 1100 kg.
                      1. +4
                        11 June 2023 21: 05
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        He has a maximum speed of 1050 - 1100 kg.

                        How well our enemies work under the guise of jingoistic patriots. Artificially lowering the parameters of their technique. A vivid example.

                        Here is an F-16 with 2 PTBs of 600 gallons each, that's more than 1,8 tons per load.

                        Here is the Israeli version with PTB from 2 tons (no exact data)
                      2. -2
                        11 June 2023 22: 19
                        And think for yourself how a composite wing can withstand a weight of two tons? According to F - 16, in general, there are a lot of fabulous advertisements, since the creation of this miracle of an airplane.
                      3. 0
                        20 June 2023 10: 50
                        Irrespective of the general topic, I will cool your argument. Any outboard equipment, coupled with an attachment point, in addition to the maximum mass, also has a maximum overload. In other words, a small short-range explosive missile, say 50 kilograms, on a suspension will have an acceleration limit of ~ 9G (figures from the bulldozer), while on the same PTB suspension weighing, say, a ton and a half, it will have a 2G limit (again, from the bulldozer), in other words, took off and fly straight. In addition, pylons come in different classes and, accordingly, load capacity. If a pylon at the base of the wing can lift many tons, then on the wingtips you can no longer put something larger than the same short-range explosive missile with a mass of less than 50 kg, and the overload restrictions will also increase, limiting the maneuverability of the aircraft.

                        Oh yes, I forgot, I’ll add one more important fact - the requirements for the length and quality of the runway are also growing, because something heavy can be lost corny “on a bump”, and also, you can’t pull the rus on yourself on takeoff - an overload will appear 4 -6G.
                      4. 0
                        2 December 2023 17: 42
                        I’ll make a short summary - it’s theoretically possible, but in real life no one will do this)))
                    2. 0
                      12 June 2023 08: 49
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      I disagree with you - they can be carriers of all sorts of storm shadows, and then you have to wet them before entering the launch zones.

                      Potentially, they really can, but for this they need to be upgraded into these carriers (these missiles are not its target load), and this is time, money, training. Here it is easier to beg the Germans for the old "Tornado" as carriers of their "Tauras" and from the French "Mirage-2000" as carriers of their "Scalp". Less hassle (with adaptation), and immediately complete with ammunition. But of course, immediately with their pilots and technical staff. That is why I expect the appearance of these aircraft in the Northern Black Sea region.
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      then you have to wet them before entering the launch zones.

                      Wet them at a depth of 100 - 200 km. for the LBS and at the heights at which they will be used, it will be precisely and mainly by fighter aircraft of the RF Armed Forces, including the RVV DB.
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      To ensure air defense - the radar field was thinned out

                      The radar field is a thing to come if there are surveillance radars in reserve and sponsors will throw up (Ukraine itself produced quite good radars, they also had a stock). Now I think the hope is only for sponsorship supplies, but the decision on them has already been made.
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      , the reaction time is already worse than ever

                      "Geraniums" fly slowly, crackle in the night as if not in themselves, they and ground posts will hear and raise the alarm. That's just to work on them, the F-16 must be adapted to work at night. And the first versions are not capable of this.
                  2. 0
                    11 June 2023 20: 39
                    And if you compare the cost of the "Abram" rocket with the cost of "geranium", will it not be too expensive? Plus, the consumption of the motor resource of the F-16 itself is also not a penny.
                    1. -4
                      11 June 2023 22: 51
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      if you compare the cost of the "Abram" rocket with the cost of "geranium", will it not be too expensive?

                      The problem here is not only the price: AIM-120 weighs 150 kg and can cause more damage than the shahid moped itself. We already went through this with the air defense system. The aircraft will bring more benefit as an ersatz drill to wake up close air defense in time in threatened directions. Therefore, it is important to get as many block 50 and higher aircraft as possible.

                      But the main task of the aircraft is to fly to where these mopeds are flying from.
                      1. 0
                        12 June 2023 08: 51
                        Quote: Negro
                        fly to where these mopeds fly from.

                        They won't arrive.
                        Let them try though.
                      2. 0
                        12 June 2023 09: 21
                        Quote: bayard
                        They won't reach

                        Well, it seems that someone who needed it had already flown to the plant in Iran. And as for the local aircraft modellers, they will try, sooner or later. So far, no one is going to finish the SVO.
        3. +4
          11 June 2023 20: 18
          Quote: NIKNN
          Quote: TermNachTER
          F - 16 will be effective if NATO (Jewish) tactics are used. "Awax" + electronic warfare aircraft + a pair of "needles" on cover
          I agree with you .... without organizing their combat use with the appropriate support for the database, they will not give anything by themselves.
          The reception was called “Blow into the Cauldron”, where 16 acted as instigators. And who made you think about changing tactics? That's right - accountants: they calculated the cost of downed opponents / lost their own and they became sad ...
          I hope 404s don't have time for this.
    3. -6
      11 June 2023 13: 17
      I want to remind you that the planes will be heavily used. I think that many readers of this resource began their turbulent youth on used cars and have not yet forgotten all the delights of such a ride. I think no one needs to explain that new, from the salon and "three people died in it" are very different things. This applies to aircraft, and ships, and in general any technology.
  3. +9
    11 June 2023 04: 53
    F-16 is the least suitable version of the aircraft for the Ukrainian Air Force. Everything that I write below is from the words of an Israeli technician who served the F-16 for 2 and a half years on urgent service and the devil knows how much more in the annual reservist service.
    1) The location of the nozzle (says low). The quality of the runway should be perfect - this is unlikely to happen in Ukraine, in addition, home airfields will be subject to constant attack by Russian missiles and UAVs, that is, the runway will require constant repair, even if the aircraft are in protected bunkers
    2) The machine is old, so ushatannaya. In Heil A Avira, 5 different specialized technicians are involved in its maintenance, because. for every 2nd-3rd flight something flies there. This is how many Ukrainians need to be prepared to service these machines and how they will be treated under constant attacks from base airfields
    3) They are decisively different from Soviet technology, so Ukrainians must not only be retrained in principle, but also forced to master English as soon as possible. Both pilots and some specialized technicians. Or translate all the documentation into Russian))) And control panels too.
    1. +3
      11 June 2023 08: 05
      Runway quality must be perfect

      This is a problem with all aircraft with a low air intake. Therefore - even if the Sumerian airfields are modernized according to Western standards - after all, the stump will be struck against them. But whether they will be able to quickly and efficiently bring them to their original state is, however, a big question. I think no. The F-16 will obviously not be able to fly from field airfields, unlike the same Grippen. So - I also don’t think that this next Tsegabon idol will help them a lot .. Although - of course, he can spoil pretty much, which is already there ..

      The rest of the models of Western aircraft are either too few, all these Grippens, Typhoons and Mirages, and their condition is clearly shabby, or the Sumerians will get their horseradish, for example F-15 .. Yes, and serving such a zoo is an extremely philosophical task, Avon - it’s worth it look, for example, at the Indian Air Force .. They would obviously have something to tell banderlogs with tears, if, of course, someone had asked them ..
      1. +4
        11 June 2023 14: 18
        Quote: paul3390
        Therefore - even if the Sumerian airfields are modernized according to Western standards - after all, the stump will be struck against them. But will they be able to quickly and efficiently bring them to their original state?

        Something reminds me of this story with Ukrainian airfields, which are so radically inferior to Iraqi airfields, or Moroccan ones.

        Oh yes. Tanks that are too heavy will sink into the ground. Bridges won't support them.
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    2. +7
      11 June 2023 10: 17
      about the panels are you serious?? On the F-16 DDI i.e. MFD (translate_Multifunctional display) and everything is great and mighty (english) and it’s still flowers, but what about feet of knots and other gallons? you fly and translate in your mind, yeah, the height of 30 feet means ~ 000 km, and the speed is 9 knots, i.e. ~ 250 km / h .. it will be especially fun when landing and navigation that will have to be built throughout the Ukraine TACANs. ..no, of course they will try to hire experienced F-450 users from THERE, but ... who in the west over the past 16 years (well, except for Israeli pilots, but those are a unique case) has experience as a warrior with real air defense (not MANPADS), and even more so with fighters of an equal level (i.e. 30 ++ and even 4) .. and most importantly, yes there are psheks and labuses, but for how long, will they be enough .. questions are questions, but time is ticking and autumn (yeah, winter is the same) is already close
      1. +1
        11 June 2023 13: 58
        Agree. That's what I wanted to say hi
      2. +6
        11 June 2023 14: 11
        Quote: WapentakeLokki
        it's still flowers but what about feet of knots and other gallons? you fly and translate in your mind, yeah, the height of 30 feet is ~ 000 km, and the speed is 9 knots, i.e. ~ 250 km / h .. it will be especially fun when landing

        How civil aircraft and the same F-16s fly around the world - the devil knows. Wow, the production of the aircraft in the Netherlands, and they did not bother to transfer the scales to the metric system in 50 years.
      3. +5
        11 June 2023 16: 11
        In fact, there is no problem in converting the indication from Anlsaxon to metric. On the Su-35 of certain series there is such an option. Yes, the aircraft transferred to Ukraine will need to be finalized, but who will tell me that right now they are no longer being finalized and are not being released by RE and RLE in Russian? But I’m sure that this is exactly what the adversaries are doing, including this. they train flight and technical personnel, finalize the fleet to be transferred, prepare technical documentation and make adapters for special vehicles in order to use Soviet-made special vehicles to service the F-16. These are APA, oxygen, air, nitrogen, lodgements for AB, but for their products, but on our (Soviet) carts, etc., etc.
    3. +3
      11 June 2023 14: 58
      the Americans inspected the Ukrainian lanes. They stated that they are suitable for the F-16. The problem is exaggerated. The Boeing 737 has even lower engines, they fly somehow.
      Their repair will obviously be in Poland, in Ukraine - only routine maintenance.
      1. 0
        12 March 2024 09: 13
        The 737 has a turbo valve and it can handle a lot more abuse than the turbojet gut. Well, that's true, by the way
        1. 0
          12 March 2024 10: 56
          Removing a military runway is not a problem; the intensity of use there is low.
          It was about the quality of the strip itself.
          1. 0
            13 March 2024 13: 46
            Well, they most likely inspected the standard Soviet tuguduk-betonka. It's good quality, but it will quickly become rubble
            1. 0
              13 March 2024 14: 03
              I think there was enough time to expand and strengthen certain sections of highways for the distributed deployment of aviation.
              1. 0
                15 March 2024 08: 34
                It's easier to lay new ones. This will work for us with highways, their roads are in disgusting condition, many of the roads are from the times of the USSR.
                1. 0
                  15 March 2024 09: 50
                  We are talking about sections of roads, not roads as a whole.
                  1. 0
                    25 March 2024 08: 07
                    This will be very noticeable from air and space, when a straight section of the road is SUDDENLY flat, smooth and with new asphalt laughing
                    1. 0
                      25 March 2024 10: 56
                      Why suddenly? Most of all roads are straight and level. And the fact that the asphalt is new means road repairs are constantly going on one way or another.
                      1. 0
                        25 March 2024 11: 29
                        Because on the outskirts they do not repair roads. This is what they themselves state, so if they lay down a canvas, then it is a runway.
                      2. 0
                        25 March 2024 12: 15
                        Road repairs are always done to a greater or lesser extent; asphalt plants are not going anywhere.
                      3. 0
                        26 March 2024 15: 34
                        No. The demagoguery has begun, it’s a good idea to fantasize, I wash my hands. hi
                      4. 0
                        26 March 2024 16: 21
                        You are simply not aware of the topic being discussed. Read Ukrainian sources. There is a lot of mass indignation there that during the war, roads are being repaired, and money is not being allocated to the army. VPN to help, if anything.
                        Roads in Kyiv continue to be repaired and built even now. In the period from February 24, 2022 to September 27, 2023, the management company "Kievavtodor" and its enterprises were paid 1,8 billion UAH. ...

                        Weekly protests by Odessa residents near the city council building and the difficult situation at the front do not prevent the repair of roads in the Odessa region. The Infrastructure Renewal and Development Service has announced a new tender for a large amount of budget funds.
                        This became known from the Prozorro e-procurement system, Nikcenter reports.
                        The Reconstruction and Development Service decided to urgently begin the operational maintenance of public roads. Recently a tender was announced for 1,24 billion hryvnia. The auction is scheduled to begin on March 8.
                        The contractor is required to restore the asphalt surface, eliminate potholes, clear the roadside, install road signs and paint markings. All services will not only be provided until 2024. The final delivery date for the service is the end of 2026.
                        According to the terms of the tender, road maintenance will concern the international highway M-13 “Kropyvnytsko-Platonovo” with a length of 96 kilometers, as well as five regional and eight territorial highways.
  4. +17
    11 June 2023 05: 03
    I do not share the author's optimism. It is clear that if in a year and a half we have not yet been able to destroy the Air Force, which continue to fly and perform combat missions, then with the start of deliveries of the F-16, this goal will generally become difficult to achieve
    1. KCA
      -11
      11 June 2023 06: 28
      Failed? Every day they land 1-2-3 planes, not because we shoot down a little, but because they fly a little, the pilots on the outskirts have only takeoff, landing will be if they managed to eject
      1. +10
        11 June 2023 07: 29
        Quote: KCA
        Every day 1-2-3 planes land,

        Sorry, but this is only in brave reports, and so these are only "bids for victory", the veracity of which can only be assessed after the end of hostilities and the voicing of data from the opposite side.
        I can say right away that many of these applications will not be confirmed. Which is basically not surprising. I'm just wondering what the confirmation rate will be, if only not like the Finnish Air Force during the Second World War, there was one confirmed victory per ten applications, the lowest total ...
        1. -1
          11 June 2023 14: 07
          Quote: svp67
          Sorry, but this is only in brave reports, otherwise these are only "bids for victory"

          I am sure that Konashenkov does not request any "applications for victory" from the Aerospace Forces / Air Defense. Such information should be declassified, it makes no sense for the military to do this.
    2. -5
      11 June 2023 07: 19
      And how much equipment was delivered from the West? From those Air Force that were in February 2022 - there were "horns and legs")))
      1. +3
        11 June 2023 14: 02
        Quote: TermNachTER
        left "horns and legs"

        Horns and legs were there even before February 2022.
        1. -3
          11 June 2023 14: 41
          Well, on February 24 there was at least something in flying condition. Su - 25, 24, 27, MiG - 29. But from them, only memories remained. Now equipment from the West is already flying.
  5. +14
    11 June 2023 05: 11
    “Wait until the enemy gets the planes. Then draw a red line."
    Sun Tzu "The Art of War"

    I'm wildly sorry, but you again mixed everything up. This phrase was uttered by Vysun Tzu.
    1. +3
      11 June 2023 07: 51
      Not Tzu, but Yatzy))
      I will add characters to pass the comment))
  6. +3
    11 June 2023 05: 18
    Very optimistic. For some reason, during the conflict between India and Pakistan, it was India that lost Russian-made aircraft, and not Pakistan. Let us hope for the best. It is unlikely that capping will raise morale. There are far from fools sitting in the trenches.
    1. 0
      11 June 2023 07: 21
      But because the Pakovsky F-16 fell on the territory of Pakistan, so there are no losses)))
      1. +5
        11 June 2023 11: 57
        If I'm not mistaken, India lost 2 aircraft, and Russia lost its largest customer. How this happened is hard to say, but the fact is the fact.
        1. -3
          11 June 2023 12: 19
          India is the largest operator of the Su - 30, and will be so for decades to come. This means engines, and radar, and other components, and ASP))) so don't worry. Not to mention other branches of the military.
          1. -1
            11 June 2023 21: 42
            India is the largest operator of the Su - 30, and will be so for decades to come. This means engines, and radar, and other components, and ASP))) so don't worry. Not to mention other branches of the military.


            Really! Why should I worry. Let the military-industrial complex and the Russian Defense Ministry worry. After all, they should have thought about the readiness of Indian aircraft for a collision with Pakistani F-16s and taken appropriate measures. At least warn about the consequences of rash decisions. As a result, the confidence of the Indian military has been lost, and India is considering other suppliers of military equipment. The Americans have prepared their outdated F-16s for a meeting with Russian equipment and today they are promoting their products in the largest market on the planet. Something like this. Little things don't exist.
            1. +1
              11 June 2023 22: 47
              In an open battle, Su - 30 against F - 16, unless it is a 60/62 block, there is no chance at all, how not to prepare it.
              1. 0
                12 June 2023 12: 21
                In an open battle, Su - 30 against F - 16, unless it is a 60/62 block, there is no chance at all, how not to prepare it.


                That is why we are discussing the topic. There are no chances, but there are losses.
                1. -1
                  12 June 2023 13: 04
                  Quote from Eugene Zaboy
                  There are no chances, but there are losses.

                  The F-16 is not a penguin, but in an open battle against the F-16 with AFAR and AIM-120 of the latest versions, both the Su-35, and even more so the Su-30, have zero chances. More precisely, only a chance to catch the enemy on a mistake.
                  1. 0
                    12 June 2023 22: 25
                    And who will give Block 70/72 to Banderlogs? I even strongly doubt about 50/52.
                    1. 0
                      13 June 2023 16: 32
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      And who will give Block 70/72 to Banderlogs? I even strongly doubt about 50/52

                      Yes you are right. For some reason, I thought that AFAR was already on the 50th block. They have been around since the 60s.

                      Well, then the Second Battle of the Kuban is cancelled.
                  2. 0
                    20 June 2023 11: 07
                    This is your worship of aim-120 similar to that before the supply of leopards))) As a result, the other day they just stuck one of these))
  7. +11
    11 June 2023 05: 26
    Oleg, I’m glad to see you on the site! According to F16, the main thing is how many they will be supplied with, what weapons they will be given, and an important factor is who will be in the cockpit as pilots. It is possible that there will be those who now have a large flight time on F16 from NATO countries, the same fields, it is possible that the Yankees will turn a blind eye to the fact that military pilots from the United States will be in the cockpit. The aircraft is only a means to perform a particular task. With a serious approach to the transfer of several large parties with powerful supplies and services and not a simple transfer of aircraft, we will have more than a lot of problems.
    1. +2
      11 June 2023 06: 02
      Provided that all service will be in the Poles. The question is how good is their quality?
      1. +3
        11 June 2023 15: 00
        There is no problem to bring Americans to Poland.
    2. +2
      11 June 2023 06: 50
      Put - means put. And the i will be dotted in real conditions. How cynical it sounds. Truth is born in a dispute hi . For this, that they, that our "birds" were created.
  8. +4
    11 June 2023 05: 59
    They count chickens in the fall, and the F-16 will also appear on the LBS (apparently) in the fall. Wait and see. Everything else is ash.
  9. +2
    11 June 2023 06: 04
    Many factors played in favor of the F-16

    Only two!! Convincing deliveries in the shortest possible time and for free...
  10. +13
    11 June 2023 06: 41
    "F-16 is enough for one battle" - how many times has it been said that the old, ruining planes of Ukraine are also for one battle - but they have been flying for 16 months. True, according to statistics, they have long been "destroyed".
    From optimistic forecasts, our soldiers do not feel better. It is necessary to take countermeasures.
    F-16 even in the first series is a FIGHTER. Maneuverable, for air combat. To put this question, now it is already universal. hi
  11. -1
    11 June 2023 07: 17
    As always, delicious and spicy. It doesn’t even matter what a person writes about, it’s important how he writes! More Santa-fe on VO!
  12. +4
    11 June 2023 07: 19
    It is no coincidence that the Thunderbolt attack aircraft was never exported - none of the US allies could afford such a highly specialized equipment ..... anti-tank attack aircraft A-10 "Thunderbolt".
    belay And which of the allies faced the problem of the mass use of tanks by the enemy? feel The United States only had a question in Iraq ...
  13. IVZ
    +3
    11 June 2023 07: 59
    the transmission of the F-15C seems unlikely. Such a large and difficult to maintain fighter, designed exclusively for air combat.
    The combat load of the Eagle of this modification is more than 10 tons, it includes free-falling bombs and UAB. http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f15c.html
    1. 0
      11 June 2023 08: 15
      Screenshot from the same resource

      And of course, it's not about the screenshot, but about the history of the appearance of the F-15E - the strike modification of the Eagle, like the Su-27 and Su-34. In all cases, we got designs that have little in common with the original fighter.
  14. +2
    11 June 2023 08: 01
    Yet this aircraft can carry a wide range of weapons. And it doesn't need to be modified. So he will bring problems to our landmen. And our pilots need to fill their bill. They will beat down and rejoice. There was no such opportunity for a long time.
    But the need for excellent GDP for American aircraft remains. We have some protection from pebbles. In terms of maintenance .... You can also believe people from the Promised Land. But still, this aircraft has very short regulations. And pre-flight preparation is shorter than ours.
  15. -6
    11 June 2023 08: 36
    Quote: mmaxx
    And our pilots need to fill their bill. They will beat down and rejoice.

    Pilots are like pilots, but anti-aircraft gunners will definitely take their souls away. And as for their long-range glide bombs: whatever they plan for the maximum range, the launch height must be appropriate, and here they become easy prey for long-range air defense systems. The F-16s have never taken part in conflicts with an enemy with such a wide range of air defense systems and equally competent and experienced crews of these systems. So, of course, these planes will add a headache to us, but the enemy (a NATO country) is many times more.
  16. +9
    11 June 2023 08: 53
    Apparently, the author decided to take Ryabov's daily bread. Taking into account the fact that he is, to put it mildly, not very competent in aviation, and, apparently, he studied aerodynamics, according to LiveJournal, the usual scientific mixture for this author turned out to be a mixture of well-known facts, author's fabrications and outright blunders like
    "The air vortices created at the root of the wing significantly improve the efficiency of the control elements. A hallmark of all modern fighters."

    The author - the root influxes of the wing of the appropriate form, being a vortex generator, create a vortex flow over the upper surface of the wing, which allows a very significant (1,5 - 1,6 times) increase in the maximum lift compared to a wing without an influx. That is their meaning. And they are used even on such ancient aircraft as the AV-8B "Harrier" II.
    In short: an integral layout means that when calculating the lift force, all elements of the aircraft structure cannot be considered in isolation from each other.

    In short, the integral layout means that not only the wing, but also the fuselage is involved in the creation of lift.
    1. -1
      11 June 2023 09: 14
      I knew that there would be such a comment,
      With pleasure I will argue with you Frettaskyrandi
      in aviation, he is, to put it mildly, incompetent

      Alas, highly competent people cannot tell anything interesting
      will increase the maximum lift force compared to a wing without flow. That is their meaning.

      And also in this -



      PS. Behind the scenes, the single-fin F-16 is criticized
      1. +6
        11 June 2023 13: 43
        Alas, highly competent people cannot tell anything interesting

        Do you propose to write a series of articles on the basics of aerodynamics or on the methodology of aerodynamic design of a maneuverable multi-mode fighter? But will such a series find a response from today's contingent of the site? And will the site financially attract such an author?
        And still in this

        The author of "this", which is posted on the Technopolis tomorrow website, is unknown, as well as his qualifications in relation to aircraft engineering in general and aerodynamics in particular. Therefore, his streams of thought along the tree are interesting, like streams, nothing more.
        But all sorts of boring books like "Aerodynamics of Aircraft", from which the future creators of these same devices study, say that the vertical tail is the vertical aerodynamic surface (surfaces) of the aircraft, which ensures its directional stability and controllability.
        Based on this, the designers determine which scheme to choose. Two keels is not an end in itself and not a panacea. Only one way. Therefore, "criticism behind the scenes" from a certain noname is not worth a damn.
        Let him better take the textbooks and study the topic: "INFLUENCE OF THE FEATURES OF THE VORTEX FLOW ON THE AERODYNAMIC CHARACTERISTICS OF THE MODEL OF A SUPERSONIC MANEUVERABLE AIRCRAFT".
        1. +5
          12 June 2023 05: 35
          You propose to write a series of articles about the basics of aerodynamics or about the methodology

          It was enough for you to give an argument or a link

          Refute the thesis about the effect of vortices on directional stability and controllability

          But you just poured out a ton of water and lengthy reasoning, at the end clinging to the personality of a person who published a series of technical articles about modern aviation and development paths
          The author of "this", which is posted on the website "Technopolis tomorrow" is unknown

          Famous

          Pavel Bulat, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Head of the Department of St. Petersburg Voenmekh
          Like no other related to aerodynamics
          1. -1
            12 June 2023 08: 26
            Refute the thesis about the effect of vortices on directional stability and controllability

            Where did I state otherwise? The root vortex, interacting with the vertical tail, cannot but influence its aerodynamic characteristics.
            I just clarified your maxim about root influxes with a vortex generator, which are designed not to increase directional stability and controllability, but to increase the lift of the wing.
            And the increase in lateral stability due to the root vortex at high angles of attack is, let's say, a bonus that was subsequently realized by studying the interaction of the two-keel vertical tail with root vortices.
            Therefore, criticism of the F-16 single-keel scheme is untenable. In addition, if the required characteristics of stability, controllability and maneuverability can be obtained with a single-keel scheme when creating an aircraft, why use a two-keel one?
            Therefore, with the statement
            F-16 is the only fourth-generation fighter with a normal aerodynamic design and single-fin vertical tail

            You obviously got excited.






            clinging to the personality of a person who published a series of technical articles about modern aviation and development paths

            I have no complaints about his personality. And he has many articles. so you have a lot of them. But this does not automatically confer aerodynamic specialist status. Even representing such a respected educational institution.
            1. 0
              12 June 2023 09: 09
              Where did I state otherwise?

              Yes, that's exactly what your first comment says.

              You quoted an excerpt from the article and spoke with fervor about vortex generators, as if what was written in the article was incorrect. "That's the point." Your words

              In the next comment, you, with the arrogance of a specialist, stated that P. Bulat's calculations (as you put it with contempt "this") are amateurish chatter, streams of thought along the tree
              You obviously got excited.

              Not at all
              Second photo of a Mitsubishi F-2, related to the F-16, with input from the same General Dynamics design team. Invited to Japan with the intention of building a relatively cheap and efficient fighter, and applying the entire set of their previous solutions

              The first (Taiwanese aircraft) and the last (Chinese) do not belong to fourth-generation fighters, due to their performance characteristics.
              But this does not automatically confer the status of an aerodynamicist.

              His calculations are little-known facts, they are described in detail and nowhere contradict each other and common sense. Given the reputation of the author himself, it can be considered a quality reliable source
              1. -2
                12 June 2023 09: 47
                The first (Taiwanese aircraft) and the last (Chinese) do not belong to fourth-generation fighters, due to their performance characteristics

                Well, this is your style, nothing has changed here.
                His calculations are little-known facts,

                These "little-known facts" are described in widely available literature and are known to everyone who is interested in modern aviation and periodically gets acquainted with thematic publications.
                You can verify this. opening the book "Fundamentals of the methodology of aerodynamic design of a maneuverable multi-mode fighter aircraft", MAI, 2004 from page 120 onwards. There, by the way, you will learn at the same time that the interaction of vortices with VO has not only pluses, but also minuses.
                So the facts are. common sense is not opposed. But their interpretation by the author is questionable.
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                2. 0
                  16 June 2023 00: 43
                  Well, this is your style, nothing has changed here.

                  This answer does not count. wink

                  Why the F-16 is the only 4 generation of the classic layout with one keel, presented his vision in detail. I have disassembled your examples.
                  Fundamentals of the methodology of aerodynamic design of a maneuverable multi-mode fighter aircraft", MAI, 2004 from page 120 onwards.


                  Briefly and concisely stated about the bearing properties
                  Nothing is said about directional stability and handling
                  But their interpretation by the author is questionable.

                  Presented his vision
                  If you consider examples and references insufficient, then this is your right.
                  1. -1
                    16 June 2023 08: 36
                    Nothing is said about directional stability and handling

                    You didn't read the book.
                    1. 0
                      20 June 2023 11: 23
                      He brought Str. 120, as you requested) laughing
                  2. 0
                    20 June 2023 11: 24
                    I love to read the arguments of couch theorists))) Based on the totality of the evidence presented and following the general line of discussion, I award the victory to comrade. Santa Fe. )
  17. +2
    11 June 2023 10: 01
    An article for the sake of an article. Maybe it was worth waiting for certainty - and only then write?
  18. +3
    11 June 2023 10: 02
    The title of the article is not disclosed in the text. Clickbait. Sign of the yellow press.
  19. +1
    11 June 2023 10: 21
    First.
    Any weapons that the non-brothers will really need to inflict the greatest damage on Russia, they will receive.
    This should not be subject to the slightest doubt. It's about conventional weapons. Anyone who doubts this should consult a doctor for the presence of infantile infantilism. Least.
    "A maxim - and even more" (C)
    Second.
    Due to the fact that the F-16 is the most numerous aircraft of the 4th generation, the pilots trained on it are no less numerous, and they will definitely be attracted to the Banderaich Air Force. And this circumstance is one of the most significant when choosing a "litak".
    Compote.
    With almost 100% probability, these aircraft will take off from the airfields of Poland and Romania.
    The world is steadily moving towards, shall we say, the vagina.
    We will need all the strength to remain a country and just stay alive.
    It will affect everyone. Everyone.
    1. +5
      11 June 2023 13: 56
      Quote: 41st region
      With almost 100% probability, these aircraft will take off from the airfields of Poland and Romania.

      For what? Why is the airfield of Uzhgorod worse than the airfield in Poland?
      Quote: 41st region
      The world is steadily moving towards, shall we say, vaginas

      Yes, everything seems to be more or less normal.
  20. PPD
    +2
    11 June 2023 10: 46
    If we had an engine like the Pratt Whitney, we would design a single-engine fighter."
    100% bullshit. 2 engines is a conscious choice.
    With discussions, moreover.
    1. -1
      11 June 2023 14: 44
      The statement that both engines go out at once when hit is very doubtful. Firstly, they do not stand "back to back", but are somewhat spaced apart from each other. Secondly, there is a steel, fireproof bulkhead between them.
      1. 0
        12 June 2023 07: 34
        It is necessary to write which aircraft.
        The MiG-29 has engines in separate engine nacelles. I highly doubt there is any protection. In the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe engine, the usual steel or titanium tin-plating. It differs from duralumin in heat resistance.
  21. -1
    11 June 2023 11: 25
    Gripen is not cheaper than F-16. It is produced in a small series compared to the striped one, and even in Sweden. But no one will give Gripen to the 404th, they will definitely collect F-16 from the world, and they will find 40-60 pieces. There will be more work for our VKS and air defense.
    1. +4
      11 June 2023 13: 53
      Quote: Glagol1
      But no one will give Gripen to the 404th, they will definitely collect F-16 from the world, and they will find 40-60 pieces.

      There, the "aircraft coalition" seems to have already gone to the second hundred, if not the third. True, perhaps closer to the point the number will decrease, as with Leo.
  22. Eug
    -2
    11 June 2023 11: 27
    The main insurmountable disadvantages of the F-16 for Ukraine are a relatively flimsy chassis and a ventral air intake. Both factors require high-quality WFP training, which is unrealistic today. So, most likely, they do not really hope for their return. Although it is possible to land on Polish airfields - the runway is clearly better there, it is more difficult to get, maintenance and repairs are established, and Russia is hardly able to control the "leaving" abroad after completing the task, and even more so to prevent this ...
    1. +4
      11 June 2023 12: 14
      relatively flimsy landing gear and ventral air intake.

      Where is the air intake of the MiG-29 and Su-27 located?

      You comprehend and double-check ideas before rewriting and repeating other people's obvious nonsense. There must be critical thinking

      1. -1
        11 June 2023 13: 30
        Air intakes, of course, from below. But they have bars - protective devices. Which do not allow foreign objects to get into the air intake on takeoff.
        1. 0
          12 June 2023 19: 03
          Hey, are you a minus? Have you seen the bars on the Su-27, no? Dunno.
      2. +7
        11 June 2023 13: 58
        Quote: Santa Fe
        There must be critical thinking

        A person has apparently never seen an ordinary civilian aircraft with engines almost scraping on concrete.
        1. -3
          11 June 2023 14: 48
          Civil aircraft have a slightly different engine design, they have a fan in front - large, strong blades, and then a compressor. For fighters, immediately a compressor.
          1. +3
            11 June 2023 15: 02
            Quote: TermNachTER
            large, strong shoulder blades

            A bird, a maximum of a dog will be ground, and pieces of concrete are unlikely. Or how do you imagine Ukrainian airfields there?
            1. +1
              11 June 2023 15: 34
              I do not think that pieces of concrete are lying on the Ukrainian GDP. It's certainly not very good, but it's not that bad either.
              1. 0
                12 June 2023 07: 36
                Pieces are not needed. But small pebbles spoil the engine greatly.
            2. 0
              12 June 2023 19: 04
              Regrind. And repair then at the price of a new one.
              1. 0
                12 June 2023 22: 27
                yes, I saw the shoulder blades of the VNA, sometimes they were in a terrible state.
      3. -1
        11 June 2023 14: 45
        Now find the same photo of F - 16 and look at what height the "blower" is located))
  23. 0
    11 June 2023 11: 42
    It could have been shorter, in the words of one grandmaster: from the point of view of security, the situation is good, everything is according to plan, everything is stable, we will snap them all.
  24. +7
    11 June 2023 13: 59
    The author ... again, like that shkolota who knows nothing that she climbs everywhere with her "I". Although I am the same))) And what conclusions should we draw from this text? get acquainted with the history and slightly with what is installed on board? And what is again the battle of radar, ILS, traction and other nonsense that shkolota loves to compare so much? It's good that at least acrobatics was not affected. But like any shkolota, the author again and again considers the plane as a spherical horse in a vacuum. I personally already want to send such articles and authors to an eternal ban, let them write somewhere on Zen. But I can not(((.
    The fact that Ukraine will receive Western aircraft is almost a settled issue. And the fact that these will be F-16s is unequivocal, no other United States will let them deliver, because it’s just a business, instead of those delivered, new ones from the United States will be delivered on which they will earn. Obviously, old and new ones will not be delivered, i.e. worth waiting for 30-40-50 blocks. And the most interesting thing is not in the planes themselves, in what will go with them. Any military aircraft is a SYSTEM. The carrier-weapon system. Separately consider their idiocy. Because the second component in the literal sense is able to make shit and candy. And the F-16 can be said to be the best in the world in terms of quantity and capabilities. And it is the armament that makes the aircraft a strong or weak enemy. Even avionics can play a secondary role if the aircraft is again operating in the system, and not in free search mode. And the Americans can provide what is called real-time information. And the most important question for me is whether not all JDAMs but AGM-158 JASSM will be bundled with aircraft, even if not the XR version and their AGM-158C LRASM anti-ship missiles. Because even if Ukraine fulfills the requirements not to use American weapons on the territory of Russia, then Crimea and the "captured" territories can be "hanged". The Crimean bridge and the Black Sea Fleet will be among the primary targets on which they will be tested. I'm not talking about the repetition of the "Bryansk airfall" with the F-16 and AIM-120, this can be repeated with enviable regularity. The mode of targeting the source of interference / radiation very well explains the fact that even the pilots of modern aircraft died, because they caught missiles in the "face" completely unaware of the attack. And here I would not count on completely knocking down one left, because even Ukraine's own "ancient" aviation has not yet been shot down all.
  25. 0
    11 June 2023 14: 04
    Customers of the single-engine F-16 prioritized lower cost and daily operating costs. This made it possible to acquire more fighters and subject them to more intensive exploitation.

    On the contrary, a twin-engine aircraft can be subjected to more intensive operation due to reliability.
    1. 0
      11 June 2023 15: 10
      Who told you that the F-16 has lower reliability than twin-engine aircraft?
    2. 0
      11 June 2023 23: 48
      She is such a statistic ... 2 engines are not 200% reliability, unlike one))) it is considered differently there. And when a missile hit, how many times were twin-engine aircraft able to return to base in relation to the total number of those hit? 0,0001%? and is the game worth the candle?
  26. 0
    11 June 2023 14: 41
    Quote: Negro
    Quote: WapentakeLokki
    it's still flowers but what about feet of knots and other gallons? you fly and translate in your mind, yeah, the height of 30 feet is ~ 000 km, and the speed is 9 knots, i.e. ~ 250 km / h .. it will be especially fun when landing

    How civil aircraft and the same F-16s fly around the world - the devil knows. Wow, the production of the aircraft in the Netherlands, and they did not bother to transfer the scales to the metric system in 50 years.

    I think that this problem is solved by rearranging the "bird" in the PFD and MFD config file from one window to another.
    1. -6
      11 June 2023 15: 03
      Quote: Rusfaner
      I think that this problem is solved by rearranging the "bird" in the config file

      Chubaty one hundred percent dopendyat.
    2. 0
      12 June 2023 07: 18
      And translate the inscriptions and messages into MOV. laughing laughing laughing
  27. -6
    11 June 2023 15: 11
    But I drank money! Enough for everyone, even Zelensky and Co.
  28. 0
    11 June 2023 16: 52
    “If we had such an engine as the Pratt Whitney, we would have designed a single-engine fighter.” Such a statement was made by a representative of the MiG company after meeting the F-16. At least, according to the legend that arose after the MAKS-1995 air show .

    A controversial statement - projects of single-engine aircraft were enough. Everything rested on the delusions of the military and the conservatism of the aviation industry.
    1. Eug
      +3
      11 June 2023 18: 24
      The conservatism of the aviation industry is doubtful, the Sukhoi Design Bureau very stubbornly offered SINGLE-ENGINE projects for the combat training Su-54 and the light Su-32 (they also met the name "first" Su-37) with PGO. At the same time, refuting the assertion of the military about the lower reliability of single-engine aircraft, they referred to the experience of operating the Su-17 and Su-24, equipped with the same engines.
      1. 0
        12 June 2023 19: 07
        In the 90s, training and discipline fell in the Air Force. But publicity flourished. There have been many accidents with single-engine aircraft. And the Ministry of Defense, out of sin, decided to decommission all single-engine aircraft. A stroke of a pen. But then there was no money to support everything.
  29. +1
    11 June 2023 16: 54
    F-16 is enough for one battle
    The author is a competitor of K. Ryabov?! winked
    1. +7
      11 June 2023 17: 05
      Quote: WFP-1
      Is the author a competitor of K. Ryabov?

      This is the legend of the site. Olds remember.

      But this time he is out of shape.
  30. 0
    11 June 2023 19: 58
    Every gopher is an agronomist ... Yes
    Guys, if you are not specialists in the field of aircraft design, do not go into the theory of supersonic aerodynamics. This is ridiculous.
    And if experts - what are you doing here?
    1. 0
      11 June 2023 20: 39
      Judging by the comment, you are a specialist in the field of aircraft design who accidentally looked at the VO website and the comments of non-specialists made you laugh.
    2. -2
      12 June 2023 07: 20
      And there is no supersonic aerodynamics.
    3. 0
      12 June 2023 18: 52
      Aircraft with supersonic aerodynamics can be counted on the fingers. And the F-16 is not one of them. Supersonic there air intake. However, like everyone else. The rest is to work on supersonic. But not supersonic.
      The fact that an aircraft has a prechamber and can fly supersonic does not mean that it has supersonic aerodynamics.
      1. 0
        13 June 2023 00: 54
        I don't recognize you in makeup. Who you are? Theodore von Karman? John stack?
        1. -2
          13 June 2023 13: 35
          Innocent Smoktunovsky!

          Kesha!!!
        2. 0
          14 June 2023 05: 41
          For those who are on the armored train. Supersonic aircraft: MiG-25 and -31, SR-71, F-22 and F-35. The last two wormed their way in because of their supersonic cruising speed. A! This pile also includes the Tu-160.
          A supersonic aircraft must first of all have a design that resists heat. Well, aerodynamics. Which is still sorry here. Because it is necessary to take off and land at subsonic speed.
          Now make your list of supersonic aircraft. Just because modern fighter jets can fly supersonic doesn't mean they're really supersonic. They can pull hard, but so ... not for long. Fuel priests and aerodynamics interfere.
          And the principles of supersonic aerodynamics are known to any student of the corresponding aircraft building specialty.
          For this, one does not need to call anyone Innokenty Smoktunovsky and Karman. Better push your list of planes and justify. Let's bet. The dispute on the principle of "the fool himself" does not roll.
          Do you at least know what mechanization of the wing and plumage on the F-16?
          1. 0
            16 June 2023 08: 34
            The dispute on the principle of "himself a fool" does not roll.

            Nevertheless, you are arguing just like that, generating semi-literate maxims and not at all interested in the competence of the opponent.
            Do you at least know what mechanization of the wing and plumage on the F-16?

            Imagine, I know.
  31. +1
    11 June 2023 21: 22
    “If we had an engine like the Pratt Whitney, we would design a single-engine fighter.” Such a statement was made by a representative of the MiG company after meeting with the F-16. At least, according to the legend that arose after the MAKS-1995 air show.

    laughing And that we didn’t have the AL-31, we could bring the MiG-23-98 to mind and we wouldn’t have to invest in the MiG-35!
    1. 0
      12 June 2023 07: 22
      Stop remembering this MiG-23 .. this is a horror of operation. Yes, and simple. He carried the extra weight of the wing-folding mechanism and the extra weight of the structure around it all. And it all cracked and boiled it all constantly. And dozens of consoles were taken for repairs.
  32. +2
    11 June 2023 22: 03
    All this from empty to empty.
    IMHO, if you strongly generalize, the fighter must aim at the target and launch the missile. All.

    Can an F-16 fire modern Western missiles? Yes.

    Can it aim at a target? Yes. During the transfer, they will surely take care that it is conjugated with modern means of communication, target designation, Avaxes, etc.

    Own radar? Speed ​​and agility? Operating cost? they won’t suck at all, the plane is polished in operation, and there Avaks, etc. to help.

    The rest, IMHO, is from the evil one and the desire to earn money by writing more water ...
    1. +2
      12 June 2023 07: 26
      And we, unfortunately, must admit that the F-16 has all this. And without this, it makes no sense to transfer this aircraft.
      And they transmit it largely because it is just simple to learn and maintain.
      I had a chance to talk with techies who looked into the F-16. After the MiG-23, a very simple and understandable aircraft. Where everything is very reasonable.
      1. -1
        12 June 2023 09: 27
        Quote: mmaxx
        After the MiG-23, a very simple and understandable aircraft.

        Stories about exploitation are generally more of folklore. If it is possible to make repairs by replacing the unit with sending the same engine to the factory - and it is - then there is a small trick to establish ongoing maintenance.

        There, in Magadan, the 777th is now being repaired. And they will, sooner or later.
        1. 0
          12 June 2023 16: 39
          I was in the Arctic a few years ago. Swiss B777 crashed with a failed engine. There are no hangars. End of January. The next day, a new engine was brought to the An124. They covered the wing with a tarpaulin, put in powerful stoves, and in 4 days they threw the engine. Another day 777 flew around, and - flew away
        2. 0
          12 June 2023 18: 57
          Aircraft have been repaired on the spot all their lives. Warranty brigades stick out for years at points. Everything that can be done outside the factory is done there. If you do not take the engines, then almost everything.
  33. 0
    12 June 2023 02: 15
    Kapets ....
    Hand face!!!
    the Azerbaijanis even managed to use the AN-2 with high efficiency.
    And then the F-16 ...
  34. +1
    12 June 2023 16: 36
    Regarding the title: in the USSR, at the institute, we were taught that a light fighter was created according to the concept that it would have only one "real" sortie. Those. if he returned to the airfield and is preparing for a re-flight, then he has already outlived himself
    1. 0
      12 June 2023 18: 59
      Yeah, well.... It's like a tank for 15 minutes. Scary stories. Assembly cycle - six months. Who has the price. But millions of dollars in tens and hundreds. Pilot training ...., let's not even remember. There is no such luxury now - one flight.
  35. +1
    12 June 2023 16: 49
    In the past 40 years, before the start of the NWO, the whole world knew that the F-16 was a good multi-purpose vehicle. And this statement is supported by the number of countries that have bought this aircraft. It's like C130. Scold him or praise him, and people have been buying for 65 years and are still being produced. And they sell - for money, and not for the promise "to build communism too"
  36. 0
    19 June 2023 10: 40
    Disappointing article. Junk, flaws and hihi. I have already read such cheers cheers in another country, which then disappeared from the map. The F16 is a chic aircraft with a huge potential for improvement - its entire path (including combat) proves this.
    1. 0
      19 November 2023 18: 07
      The author has somehow changed over the past few years, as if a different person writes winked
  37. 0
    20 June 2023 21: 53
    This is all he can use: air-to-air missiles: AIM-7, 6xAIM-9, 6xAIM-120, AIM-132, Python 3, Python 4, Derby, Sky Flash, Magic 2. Air-to-surface missiles : 6xAGM-65A/B/D/G, AGM-45, 2xAGM-84, 4xAGM-88, AGM-154 JSOW, AGM-158 JASSM, Penguin Mk.3;
    Bombs: adjustable 4xGBU-10, 6xGBU-12, GBU-15, GBU-22, GBU-24, GBU-27, 4xGBU-31 JDAM. Adjustable cassettes: CBU-103, CBU-104, CBU-105. Freefall: Mark 82, 8xMark 83, Mark 84.
    Not enough for you? Well, yes, of course - it’s not for you to grumble there
  38. 0
    13 July 2023 17: 46
    By the way, when a pan-European fighter was chosen in the 80s, the Swedish Viggen was in the lead, but the minke whales pushed through the F-16
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  40. 0
    7 October 2023 13: 12
    This is not a fighter plane.
    It is three times smaller in size than our Su-27.

    Similar to educational cardboard salametics :))
    1. 0
      19 November 2023 01: 13
      Training airplane)
      Look at the thrust-to-weight ratio, the range of weapons used (this is the platform first and foremost).
      And the presence of full compatibility with modern NATO information exchange protocols, which will allow you to “see” through the eyes of an E-3 flying near the border with Ukraine.
      The main application (IMHO) is a platform for launching cruise missiles (Storm Shadow) and hunting bombers (using guidance from AWACS aircraft, AIM-120D or MBDA Meteor missiles).
  41. 0
    7 October 2023 13: 33
    Ours are preparing ultra-long-range air defense missiles against the F-16.
    We haven't started yet.
  42. 0
    2 November 2023 17: 20
    An interesting trend is observed, as soon as it becomes known that the West is transferring some kind of weapons to Ukraine, then the first stage begins wild indignation at the fact of the transfer of weapons, and after a while the stage begins - oh, well, they are handing over some kind of rubbish and junk to the xox people ha ha ha, they they will only suffer. And the third stage, watch how this miracle weapon burns
  43. 0
    19 November 2023 01: 08
    An airplane is now primarily a weapon carrier.
    AWACS can receive target designation from aircraft flying nearby.
    Launch stealthy cruise missiles - the number of their carriers will increase.
    Use long-range V-V missiles.
    Unclear about using “MBDA Meteor”. But they will definitely be able to be used by Gripen, which is also discussed in terms of supplies. And these are inevitable losses of VKS bombers.
    It is clear that there is no talk of striking E-3 Sentris flying in the Czech Republic or Romania (this requires courage), as well as red lines.