The shelling of the T-54/55 tank with cumulative shells from grenade launchers, missile systems and self-propelled guns

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The shelling of the T-54/55 tank with cumulative shells from grenade launchers, missile systems and self-propelled guns

What can be done with a tank, which does not have combined armor and dynamic protection, an anti-tank grenade launcher? What about an anti-tank missile and cumulative shells of 100 and 152 mm caliber?

Answers to all these questions will be given to us by the Hungarian report on testing the T-54/55 tank by firing from several types of weapons, which included a whole arsenal of RPG-7, SPG-9, Fagot and Konkurs anti-tank systems, Rapira guns , as well as the “monster” in the face of the Akatsiya self-propelled artillery mount. But first things first. And first of all, you need to talk about the test conditions.



In order to avoid dangerous situations associated with the detonation of explosives and fires, inert training projectiles were placed in the tank's ammunition racks, and ordinary water was poured instead of fuel. At the same time, the rest of the working fluids were not replaced.

To simulate the impact of damaging factors on the crew, wooden simulators dressed in standard uniforms were installed in the places of the tankers.

All this made it possible to bring the experimental conditions as close as possible to real ones with the possibility of assessing the consequences of hitting ammunition on the vehicle.


RPG-7 anti-tank grenade launcher (PG-7V shot)



A hit from an RPG-7 on the lower frontal part of the hull on the left in the area of ​​attachment for a mine trawl. The cumulative jet pierced the armor and interrupted the fuel line. If there was fuel, not water, a fire could start. However, the fire extinguishing system could have eliminated it. Injuries are generally assessed as light.
A hit from an RPG-7 on the lower frontal part of the hull on the left in the area of ​​attachment for a mine trawl. The cumulative jet pierced the armor and interrupted the fuel line. If there was fuel, not water, a fire could start. However, the fire extinguishing system could have eliminated it. Injuries are generally assessed as light.

Hit from RPG-7 on the right external fuel tank in the area of ​​​​the aft part of the tank hull. The cumulative jet pierced the tank and side armor plate, stopping in the engine's water radiator. The damage is light.
Hit from RPG-7 on the right external fuel tank in the area of ​​​​the aft part of the tank hull. The cumulative jet pierced the tank and side armor plate, stopping in the engine's water radiator. The damage is light.

A hit from an RPG-7 on the right side of the turret near the loader. The cumulative jet, breaking through the armor, hooked the filter-ventilation unit, the mount of the coaxial machine gun and the gun breech. In general, the damage is not very serious and the tank can be restored fairly quickly, but the loader is most likely seriously injured if he was inside.
A hit from an RPG-7 on the right side of the turret near the loader. The cumulative jet, breaking through the armor, hooked the filter-ventilation unit, the mount of the coaxial machine gun and the gun breech. In general, the damage is not very serious, and the tank can be repaired fairly quickly, but the loader is very likely to be seriously injured if he was inside.

Hit from the RPG-7 in the tank track roller. The explosion of the projectile and the cumulative jet battered him well, crushing the tire. However, the jet did not reach the main side armor, so the car was generally intact.
Hit from the RPG-7 in the tank track roller. The explosion of the projectile and the cumulative jet battered him well, crushing the tire. However, the jet did not reach the main side armor, so the car is generally intact.

Hit from RPG-7 in the aft part of the T-55 hull. The cumulative jet, breaking through the aft armor plate, broke through the cooling system fan, water radiator and right exhaust manifold. The damage was light, the tank could continue moving until the engine overheated.
Hit from RPG-7 in the aft part of the T-55 hull. The cumulative jet, breaking through the aft armor plate, broke through the cooling system fan, water radiator and right exhaust manifold. The damage was light, the tank could continue moving until the engine overheated..

SPG-9 easel grenade launcher (PG-9V shot)



Hit from the SPG-9 (shooting in the forehead of the tank) on the right fender liner in the fender area. The explosion tore off the fender liner and threw it a couple of tens of meters. The cumulative jet, which passed along the caterpillar, hit the rear fender liner and tore it off with about the same result. The tank was not damaged.
Hit from the SPG-9 (shooting in the forehead of the tank) on the right fender liner in the fender area. The explosion tore off the fender liner and threw it a couple of tens of meters. The cumulative jet, which passed along the caterpillar, hit the rear fender liner and tore it off with about the same result. The tank was not damaged.

Hit from SPG-9 on the left side of the tower. The cumulative jet, having made holes in the armor, immediately exited it without causing any damage to the internal equipment. The oil tank may have been damaged, but this does not affect the combat capability of the tank.
Hit from SPG-9 on the left side of the tower. The cumulative jet, having made holes in the armor, immediately exited it without causing any damage to the internal equipment. The oil tank may have been damaged, but this does not affect the combat capability of the tank.

Hit from SPG-9 on the left side of the tower. The cumulative jet pierced the armor, the tank radio station and partially touched the ammunition load. Fragments broke the infrared searchlight of the commander's observation device. If there were shots with combat equipment in the car, a fire and detonation could occur, followed by the destruction of the tank.
Hit from SPG-9 on the left side of the tower. The cumulative jet pierced the armor, the tank radio station and partially touched the ammunition load. Fragments broke the infrared searchlight of the commander's observation device. If there were shots with combat equipment in the car, a fire and detonation could occur, followed by the destruction of the tank.

Anti-tank 100-mm gun MT-12 "Rapier" (UBK2 shot with a cumulative projectile)



Hit from the MT-12 cannon in the right frontal part of the T-55 turret. The cumulative jet pierced the tower almost through, stopping in the rear armor. The loader would have received very severe injuries. In the presence of live shots in the turret ammo rack, a detonation or fire could occur.
Hit from the MT-12 cannon in the right frontal part of the T-55 turret. The cumulative jet pierced the tower almost through, stopping in the rear armor. The loader would have received very severe injuries. In the presence of live shots in the turret ammo rack, a detonation or fire could occur.

Hit from the MT-12 cannon in the upper frontal part of the hull to the right of the driver. The cumulative jet pierced the armor and hit the tank rack with fuel and shells. The fatal consequences of this need no comment.
Hit from the MT-12 cannon in the upper frontal part of the hull to the right of the driver. The cumulative jet pierced the armor and hit the tank rack with fuel and shells. The fatal consequences of this need no comment.

Hit from the MT-12 cannon on the starboard side of the T-55 hull. Armor broken. In combat conditions, this, in principle, often ends in a fire or detonation of an ammunition rack.
Hit from the MT-12 cannon on the starboard side of the T-55 hull. Armor broken. In combat conditions, this, in principle, often ends in a fire or detonation of an ammunition rack.

Hit from the MT-12 cannon in the stern of the tower on the right. The cumulative jet pierced the tower almost through. In the "best" case, it could only kill the loader, and in the worst case, undermine or set fire to the turret ammunition rack.
Hit from the MT-12 cannon in the stern of the tower on the right. The cumulative jet pierced the tower almost through. At best, it could only kill the loader, and at worst, undermine or set fire to the turret ammunition rack.

Anti-tank missile system "Fagot"



Hit from the Fagot ATGM on the upper frontal part of the T-55 hull on the right side. The armor was pierced, the cumulative jet pierced the tank rack with shells and fuel. Consequences in the form of fire and detonation are guaranteed.
Hit from the Fagot ATGM on the upper frontal part of the T-55 hull on the right side. The armor was pierced, the cumulative jet pierced the tank rack with shells and fuel. Consequences in the form of fire and detonation are guaranteed.

Hit from the ATGM "Fagot" in the commander's cupola on the right. The armor, of course, is pierced, and the commander is theoretically dead. They also write that the gunner might have been hooked.
Hit from the ATGM "Fagot" in the commander's cupola on the right. The armor, of course, is pierced, and the commander is theoretically dead. They also write that, perhaps, the gunner would have been hooked.

Anti-tank missile system "Competition" (rocket 9M113)



Hit from the ATGM "Konkurs" in the area where the driver is located. The cumulative jet pierced the armor and stopped only in the tank engine in the stern. Most of the crew would have been fatally or seriously injured: the driver, gunner and commander.
Hit from the ATGM "Konkurs" in the area where the driver is located. The cumulative jet pierced the armor and stopped only in the tank engine in the stern. Most of the crew would have been fatally or seriously injured: the driver, gunner and commander.

Hit from the ATGM "Konkurs" in the upper frontal part of the hull to the right of the driver. The armor was pierced, the tank rack with ammunition and fuel, as well as the gun stabilizer. The consequences are also obvious: fire and detonation.
Hit from the ATGM "Konkurs" in the upper frontal part of the hull to the right of the driver. The armor was pierced, the tank rack with ammunition and fuel, as well as the gun stabilizer. The consequences are also obvious: fire and detonation.

2S3 "Acacia" (3VBP2 shot with a 152-mm cumulative projectile)



A 152-mm cumulative projectile hit the right frontal part of the turret in the area of ​​the coaxial machine gun embrasure. External damage to the tank is understandable without words, and this is given that the tower was partially torn off the shoulder strap. The cumulative jet pierced the frontal armor of the tower and stopped in its stern. The detonation of the turret ammunition rack with the subsequent destruction or burnout of the tank is ensured. But even the ammunition rack is missing; after such a hit, the tank needs serious repairs.
A 152-mm cumulative projectile hit the right frontal part of the turret in the area of ​​the coaxial machine gun embrasure. External damage to the tank is understandable without words, and this is given that the tower was torn off the shoulder strap. The cumulative jet pierced the frontal armor of the tower and stopped in its stern. The detonation of the turret ammunition rack with the subsequent destruction or burnout of the tank is ensured. But even if there is no ammo rack, the tank needs serious repairs after such a hit.

Hit of a 152-mm cumulative projectile in the upper frontal part of the hull. The armor was pierced, the cumulative jet hit the tank rack with ammunition and fuel. The consequences are clear.
Hit of a 152-mm cumulative projectile in the upper frontal part of the hull. The armor was pierced, the cumulative jet hit the tank rack with ammunition and fuel. The consequences are clear.

Hit of a 152-mm cumulative projectile in the track roller. Oddly enough, the side armor was not pierced, but the external damage to the vehicle is quite noticeable. However, no serious damage was done. After a small repair, the machine may be ready to enter service.
Hit of a 152-mm cumulative projectile in the track roller. Oddly enough, the side armor was not pierced, but the external damage to the vehicle is quite noticeable. However, no serious damage was done. After a little overhaul, the machine may be ready to go back into service.

The test results - in particular when firing in the forehead - clearly showed that the steel armor of tanks, the relevance of which remained for 10-20 years after the Second World War, does not give any hope of protection even from outdated cumulative ammunition. All that can be counted on in this case is a “successful” collision with the projectile, when it is either unable to penetrate the armor due to an unsuccessful hit point, or the cumulative jet does not touch the crew and dangerous equipment of the vehicle. In general, pure chance with an incalculable chance of being embodied in reality.

And, since the talk about this information will still affect the special military operation in Ukraine, where a small number of T-54/55s were sent a couple of months ago, it is worth noting one thing. All these flaws of the machine are known to the military in full, so no one is in a hurry to use them for their intended purpose - you can’t trample on an enemy well-equipped with anti-tank weapons. Therefore, all that is limited to the activities of these "old men" at the front is the role of self-propelled artillery installations and bases for automatic guns.

The source of information:
Partial translation of a four part article series titled "Kísérleti lövészet T54-es harckocsikra 1989-ben, a "0" ponti gyakorlótéren" published in the Hungarian military's Haditechnika magazine, written by Colonel István Ocskay of the Hungarian MoD Defense Technology Research Center (ORCID : 0000-0003-0279-8215).
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  1. +44
    9 June 2023 04: 06
    Good article. These are rare now. Everything is clear and to the point, and not speculation, reasoning and gossip, as in most others.
    1. +10
      9 June 2023 04: 33
      this is the role of self-propelled artillery installations
      They are not capable of more ... "Naked" armor no longer saves from new armor-piercing weapons
      1. -1
        9 June 2023 07: 54
        .
        "Naked" armor no longer saves from new armor-piercing weapons

        New tanks do not save from new and super-duper, but if there was a workable KAZ, then it is still not known which is better than the T-55 or Armata.
        1. -2
          10 June 2023 20: 20
          Quote: Konnick
          .
          "Naked" armor no longer saves from new armor-piercing weapons

          New tanks do not save from new and super-duper, but if there was a workable KAZ, then it is still not known which is better than the T-55 or Armata.

          Do you even realize that you're talking nonsense?
      2. +6
        9 June 2023 08: 56
        Only one question remains - what happens to a modern fancy tank stuffed with electronics - when something serious hits even without breaking through the armor? To what extent does it remain combat-ready and maintainable? Although - of course, the survival of the crew is the most important factor, whatever one may say ..
        1. +3
          9 June 2023 11: 15
          Unfortunately, no one will arrange such shelling of a modern tank. Market. Although the "partners" could put a pig in, for the sake of removing such a competitor in the arms market as UVZ, this would be interesting material. Maybe they will be honored to scoff at the captured T-90 ...
          1. +4
            9 June 2023 11: 34
            The article is good, thanks to the author! But I would not count on the fact that the T-54 crew would not be sent into battle like a normal tank, as the T-62M once was.
            To be honest, it’s not clear where and how they can be used in the form in which they got to the front, except perhaps for checkpoints, after all, his armor is better than on infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers and his armor will protect him from small arms.
          2. 0
            9 June 2023 14: 23
            Well, perhaps soon one AMX-10RX will be sent to Kubinka, and the second will be given to a blogger from the "large-caliber commotion" for such experiments.
            1. +4
              9 June 2023 16: 59
              And what's the point of mocking poor AMX when he has bulletproof armor? Everything is clear there. They are just needed in working condition in order to actually test the possibilities of hit-and-run tactics for light wheeled tanks, and develop an antidote against it, if necessary. Also evaluate the real patency of this carts
          3. +1
            9 June 2023 21: 59
            Quote: AlexSam
            Unfortunately, no one will arrange such shelling of a modern tank. Market

            And in Afghanistan, Iraq, or around Israel, do you think they only threw stones at the tanks? There are a lot of videos and reports of ATGMs and RPGs firing Abrams, Challengers 2x and Leo 2. Modern versions are hard to penetrate even with powerful ATGMs, and RPGs have no chance in any place.

            Here is an example of how the Abrams RPG Vampire holds, whose warhead corresponds to the ATGM warhead. The description is incorrect, the tank had no penetration.
            [media=https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pxoAAh40Hhw]
        2. -4
          9 June 2023 19: 17
          Only one question remains - what happens to a modern fancy tank stuffed with electronics - when something serious hits even without breaking through the armor? To what extent does it remain combat-ready and maintainable?

          I already showed you. And manufacturers avoid shelling, especially avoid shelling even from small arms, the super-protected Armata. The designer of the Terminator said that in any confrontation, Armata would lose to the Terminator, he would simply demolish everything from the tower and turn the tank into a blind and deaf machine.
          1. 0
            10 June 2023 20: 22
            Quote: Konnick
            Only one question remains - what happens to a modern fancy tank stuffed with electronics - when something serious hits even without breaking through the armor? To what extent does it remain combat-ready and maintainable?

            I already showed you. And manufacturers avoid shelling, especially avoid shelling even from small arms, the super-protected Armata. The designer of the Terminator said that in any confrontation, Armata would lose to the Terminator, he would simply demolish everything from the tower and turn the tank into a blind and deaf machine.

            Stop talking nonsense!
          2. -2
            11 June 2023 08: 12
            The designer of the Terminator said that in any confrontation, Armata would lose to the Terminator, he would simply demolish everything from the tower and turn the tank into a blind and deaf machine.

            In order for the Terminator to demolish everything from the tower of the Armata, he must first drive up to the Armata at a distance from which he can fire accurately with a 30 mm cannon, but the problem is that the crew of the Armata can detect the Terminator and destroy it before it starts its shelling. Even if the Terminator sat down first, the crew of Almaty will respond quickly enough
        3. 0
          10 June 2023 11: 19
          Everything is the same, only arithmetic is more (c) folk words
    2. AUL
      +2
      9 June 2023 08: 19
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      Good article.

      The photos are impressive. And the whole article could be reduced to one phrase from it
      steel armor of tanks, the relevance of which remained for 10-20 years after the Second World War, does not give any hope of protection even from outdated cumulative ammunition.
      which few people doubt!
    3. +3
      9 June 2023 09: 45
      What prevents the T-54/55 from protecting at least Contact-1, welding on screens. It will not protect against modern "crowbars". But there will be protection against cumulatives. Shooting like a self-propelled gun from closed positions is the most for these machines.
      1. 0
        9 June 2023 11: 06
        Quote: alekc73
        What prevents you from protecting the T-54/55 at least Contact-1, welding screens.

        Never mind.
        modernize, upgrade
        TR-85M1 "Bizonul" MBT Romanian Armed Forces
        https://youtu.be/TvdgtVDumHQ
        T-55 Enigma (Iraq)
        https://youtu.be/uelSmkG1uHU
        Tank T-55AGM (Ukraine)
        https://youtu.be/cmhbQd0dLZA
        T-55M8-A2 Tifon II (Peru)
        https://youtu.be/eV-Z1PzLhPg
        / there would be a desire and control over spending money.
        Example: Rosnano spent 10 billion rubles on the Plastic Logic project, the only product of which was an iPhone case
        Quote: alekc73
        Shooting like a self-propelled gun from closed positions is the most for these machines.

        Angles VN, deg. -5 ... +9 (until 1962). −5…+18.
        as a Fri self-propelled gun, it is only against lightly armored (if it hits), as the UVN artillery is small.
        That. it will be close to the front line, and can be easily destroyed.
      2. +1
        10 June 2023 20: 07
        Quote: alekc73
        What prevents the T-54/55 from protecting at least Contact-1, welding on screens. It will not protect against modern "crowbars". But there will be protection against cumulatives. Shooting like a self-propelled gun from closed positions is the most for these machines.

        Yes, nothing interferes. There would be a desire.
  2. +10
    9 June 2023 04: 17
    Familiar tank wheels in one of the last photos. In my workshop they turned
    on my lathes in the service area. There are also balancers.
    and more torsion shafts, swivel bases, covers and handles of tank hatches
    were produced. Gearboxes and supports - in other groups of workshops. Youth
    remembered. Transfer "International Panorama". And torn off wheels, scattered
    through the Ogaden desert during the detonation of ammunition. We then wondered for a long time for whom
    Why are we making these wheels?
  3. +7
    9 June 2023 04: 27
    everything that limits the activities of these "old men" at the front ...

    But what - all the more modern developments will survive the shelling, and even with a caliber of 152 mm, with the best result?
    A "successful" collision with a projectile, when it is either unable to penetrate the armor due to an unsuccessful hit point, or the cumulative jet does not touch the crew and dangerous equipment of the vehicle.

    So, this is a general rule for any armored vehicles, regardless of the years of production.
    1. 0
      9 June 2023 23: 44
      Well, what tank can withstand 152 mm? No! However, who will shoot direct fire from a 152 mm gun. These are only high-precision controlled ones, which are not so common.
      1. TIR
        0
        17 June 2023 21: 22
        There are pictures of a Leopard 2A4 tank shot down in Zaporozhye. The upper armor of the turret was broken. The thickness of the armor there is about 15-20mm. Just a steel sheet without lining and dynamic protection. Although the latter, in the event of a detonation, will break through the armor on the roof of the Leopard tower. I think Leopards 2A7 have the same armor in the turret
  4. -3
    9 June 2023 05: 32
    Quote: Ermak_Timofeich
    or the cumulative jet does not touch the crew and dangerous equipment of the machine

    There is already a question for the tankers, And the cumulative jet, which burned through the armor, will not create inside
    closed volume of air in the overpressure tank, so that the crew has drum
    the membranes in the brains will be pressed in and the eyes will come out on the forehead? Why is this infantry on top of an infantry fighting vehicle with
    prefers to travel from the time of Afghanistan?
    1. +12
      9 June 2023 05: 51
      fairy tales about the so-called overpressure have already been refuted a hundred times, if the jet passes through a person or ammunition, of course, the skiff crew. without any excess pressure, well, it can injure the crew with secondary fragments of armor or equipment inside the vehicle, the same applies to the infantry fighting vehicles inside
      1. TIR
        0
        17 June 2023 21: 25
        The cumulative jet is too small and only lives for a fraction of a second. It does not even have time to heat the air in the tank. It is dangerous because it creates splashes of hot metal or gets into the crew or BC
    2. -4
      9 June 2023 05: 58
      Yes, I understand that there will be fun without pressure. the jet will crumble, count the same fragments, only in addition they are also red-hot to the melt, what the hell is there to survive ...
      1. -2
        10 June 2023 20: 28
        Quote from Bingo
        Yes, I understand that there will be fun without pressure. the jet will crumble, count the same fragments, only in addition they are also red-hot to the melt, what the hell is there to survive ...

        Don't talk nonsense!
    3. +3
      9 June 2023 09: 00
      Well, as long as you can already write like that, the cumulative jet does not "burn through" the armor, but pierces it.
    4. +5
      9 June 2023 09: 20
      Quote: Private SA
      And the cumulative jet, which burned through the armor, will not create inside
      closed volume of air in the overpressure tank


      The powder gas molecules are much more mobile than the metal molecules of the cumulative jet, since they have a large difference in molar masses, and under conditions of the same pressure gradient they have time to completely dissipate: for copper 63, 55 for powder gases 0.023, for air 0.029. However, a fast-moving cumulative jet, when it hits a person, creates a strong water hammer in the body, from which one can really die.
      1. +3
        9 June 2023 19: 20
        However, a fast-moving cumulative jet, when it hits a person, creates a strong water hammer in the body, from which one can really die.

        Finally, a professional commentary. A person, when hit by a bullet at a speed of 700 m / s or more, receives a water hammer with the destruction of internal organs, even if they miss these organs.
      2. +2
        10 June 2023 12: 04
        Generally true.
        Quote: ycuce234-san
        cumulative jet, when it hits a person, creates the strongest in the body

        Not a water hammer, but simply a front of a shock wave, to which non-elastic organs are especially sensitive: the liver, brain, (head and spinal), in general, death on the spot.
        The difference between a water hammer and a shock wave in speed - up to the speed of sound in water, this is a water hammer (for example, someone dives, and you hit the water with all your might with a shovel - it will hit the diver in the ears, but this is a sonic shock without much harm to health), but here shock wave travels faster than the speed of sound in a medium, in this case water. And that's why it does more damage.
        The cumulative jet pierced the tank and side armor plate, stopping in the engine's water radiator. The damage is light.

        Disagree with the author. Burning fuel, broken radiator - failure.
        The cumulative jet, breaking through the armor, hooked the filter-ventilation unit, the mount of the coaxial machine gun and the gun breech. In general, the damage is not particularly serious, and the tank can be restored fairly quickly.

        Replacing the gun, since the breech is faulty, the death or injury of tankers is likely. It is not written whether the serviceability of the gun was checked after the experiments, but I will assume that either it is jammed or the sight is shot down. Is replacing a gun like a factory repair with the removal of the turret?
        1. +1
          15 June 2023 18: 07
          How can you write so incomprehensibly? The speed of sound in water is 4 times faster than in air.
          The damaging factor of a water hammer in the body and the damaging factor of a shock wave are two different things.
    5. 0
      10 June 2023 20: 26
      Quote: Private SA
      Quote: Ermak_Timofeich
      or the cumulative jet does not touch the crew and dangerous equipment of the machine

      There is already a question for the tankers, And the cumulative jet, which burned through the armor, will not create inside
      closed volume of air in the overpressure tank, so that the crew has drum
      the membranes in the brains will be pressed in and the eyes will come out on the forehead? Why is this infantry on top of an infantry fighting vehicle with
      prefers to travel from the time of Afghanistan?

      Firstly, the cumulative jet does not burn through the armor, but pierces it.
      Secondly, the cumulative jet does not create excess pressure.
  5. -5
    9 June 2023 06: 20
    What can an anti-tank grenade launcher do with a tank that does not have combined armor and dynamic protection? What about an anti-tank missile and cumulative shells of 100 and 152 mm caliber?

    Not a single tank can withstand such a shelling.
    And modern ones with their huge optoelectronic warheads will not withstand small arms fire.
    1. 0
      10 June 2023 20: 30
      Quote: Konnick
      What can an anti-tank grenade launcher do with a tank that does not have combined armor and dynamic protection? What about an anti-tank missile and cumulative shells of 100 and 152 mm caliber?

      Not a single tank can withstand such a shelling.
      And modern ones with their huge optoelectronic warheads will not withstand small arms fire.

      Stop talking nonsense!
  6. 0
    9 June 2023 06: 36
    What is written here is clear to us even without the Hungarian report, no matter how the T-54 is a development of the early 1950s.
    Therefore, no one T-54, T-55 is thrown into a counterattack, today they are used as mobile guns (self-propelled guns). The fact is that they still have a rather impressive ammunition supply ... millions of shells - I don’t want to shoot. Shooting is carried out from cover, shot - moved, moved - shot again and a tractor is not needed to tow the gun. Although the gun is not long-range, it can successfully shoot at the front line of the enemy. And this is also help to the troops on the front line.
    1. -9
      9 June 2023 07: 09
      Therefore, no one T-54, T-55 is thrown into a counterattack, today they are used as mobile guns (self-propelled guns). The fact is that they still have a rather impressive ammunition supply ... millions of shells - I don’t want to shoot

      And the rifled gun is more accurate and long-range.
      1. +1
        9 June 2023 07: 18
        Quote: Konnick
        And the rifled gun is more accurate and long-range

        Again you carry heresy. Do you really want to repeat the exercise? wink laughing
        1. +2
          9 June 2023 08: 03
          Konnick
          And the rifled gun is more accurate and long-range

          Again you carry heresy. Do you really want to repeat the exercise?



          I want
          Cannon on T-72 and T-90

          Sighting range, m BPS: 5000
          BCS: 5000
          OFS: 12000
          ATGM: 9000
          Maximum
          range, m OFS: 12000


          On the T-55

          Sighting range, m 6000
          Range of a direct shot with a cumulative projectile, m -3000
          Maximum range, m up to 15
          1. +3
            9 June 2023 09: 02
            Quote: Konnick
            Sighting range, m 6000

            Great. Now find a site on our theater where you can use these 6000 m. Good luck in your search. Yes

            This is just the beginning of the lesson, keep in mind. wink
            1. -2
              9 June 2023 09: 52
              Great. Now find a section on our theater where you can use these 6000 m. Good luck in your search. yes

              This is just the beginning of the lesson, keep in mind. wink

              Then, at a kilometer, this rifled gun is more accurate than not only the T-90 guns, but also the Lobaev rifles. And when shooting from closed positions, I don’t even want to compare. The pursuit of armor-piercing led to a loss of accuracy and no SLA can fix this.
              1. +3
                9 June 2023 10: 13
                Quote: Konnick
                Then this rifled gun is a kilometer away ...

                ABOUT! Glimpses, you are not hopeless!

                That's right, the real distance for a tank gun on our theater is 1-2 km. Well, usually it is. Yes

                Quote: Konnick
                Then, at a kilometer, this rifled gun is more accurate than not only T-90 guns ...

                Even this is debatable. But it's not even about that.

                You see, "accuracy" is not an end in itself, but a means to exterminate the enemy as efficiently as possible. Preferably before he destroys you. And according to this indicator, tanks from T64 and beyond - greatly outperform 55s, thanks to:

                - the presence of AZ (or MZ)
                - the presence of a laser sight-rangefinder
                - more developed SLA.

                Which, in the end, allows you to shoot fairly fast and fairly accuratein order to eliminate the enemy's status. Before he does this to you.

                Something like that. request Yes laughing
              2. +1
                9 June 2023 12: 52
                There was a vidos in the "cart". T 90 fired at a factory brick chimney at a distance of 4200 meters. Out of 5 shots, 4 hit, the pipe fell.
          2. +2
            9 June 2023 12: 39
            And the rifled gun is more accurate and long-range

            1)
            I want
            Cannon on T-72 and T-90

            Sighting range

            On the T-55

            Sighting range

            Sighting range is not a characteristic of accuracy.
            This is the maximum scope setting. Only. If an open sight was calibrated at 2000 meters on a three-line, this does not make the actual fire range equal to 2000 meters.
            Range of a direct shot with a cumulative projectile, m -3000

            And this is generally wild nonsense. Do not read Wikipedia and other "internets", they write nonsense there.
            1. +4
              9 June 2023 12: 51
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              Vile skeptic

              Do not scare the ostriches, the floor is concreted.
            2. +1
              10 June 2023 12: 16
              Quote: Konnick
              a kilometer away, this rifled gun is more accurate not only T-90 guns

              Everything is more complicated here. The USSR was preparing for a big war, when dozens of tanks would be produced a day, and they would die at the same pace. A smooth cannon is cheaper and faster to manufacture, and in the event of a world war, the latter is generally more important. In fact, a smooth polished pipe (smoothbore gun) is first made, then grooves are cut in it, ground with a lap and then polished. This is a long and precise work that requires a highly skilled worker. In the USSR, there was a suspicion that experienced workers might die during the first atomic strike on the plant, and the schoolboy would not be able to cut the cuts. So they took a smooth gun.
              Sighting range is not a characteristic of accuracy.
              This is the maximum scope setting. Only. If on a three-ruler the open sight was calibrated at 2000 meters,

              And again. The maximum range is defined as the flight of the projectile at the optimum elevation, which is about 35-40 degrees. The sight is calibrated based on the dispersion of shells, to that range, beyond which there is little point in shooting. For tank cannons, the maximum elevation is still determined by the design of the tower, and by driving up the hill, you can seriously increase the range of harassing fire. And as for the three-ruler, they shot at WWI for 2 km, if the battalion saw an enemy company on the march, then hundreds of bullets per minute falling from the sky with a spread would injure someone. Before the invention of the machine gun, such shooting was used with might and main. For one shooter, of course, installation of a sight for 800 is almost not needed.
        2. 0
          11 June 2023 23: 20
          Judging by the video from our tanks, the way it is, the horse's horizontal expansion is 4 km, no matter how +/-7 meters.
      2. 0
        10 June 2023 20: 32
        Quote: Konnick
        Therefore, no one T-54, T-55 is thrown into a counterattack, today they are used as mobile guns (self-propelled guns). The fact is that they still have a rather impressive ammunition supply ... millions of shells - I don’t want to shoot

        And the rifled gun is more accurate and long-range.

        Where do you come from, such "experts"?
  7. +3
    9 June 2023 06: 42
    Very informative article. By the way, it shows how difficult the path is for tank armor testers.
  8. -10
    9 June 2023 06: 56
    We would have to check the T-90M, at least with small arms fire. Compare scope sizes


    And the viewing slot at the driver of the Tiger had armored glass 9 cm thick. Our grandfathers from the infantry would have laughed at both the T-90M with Abrams and Armata with the Leopard.
    1. -10
      9 June 2023 09: 08
      Minusators, apologists for Armata, explain your disadvantages, or do you think the Armata and T-90 use bulletproof glass in combined sights with optical and thermal imaging channels? Or maybe a miniature T-55 sight is better for military operations? Unlike modern ones, which in the Donbass are shot down by machine gun fire and snipers.


      Minusers, at least drop a word, show your opinion, or are you from the partisans?
      1. +2
        9 June 2023 11: 21
        Respected.
        In order to compare sights of different sizes, it would be nice to indicate their technical characteristics, purpose, capabilities, installation and maintenance requirements.
        And for this it was necessary to teach PHYSICS at school !!! Section OPTICS!
        [media=https://sovietime.ru/images/1-AVTOMATOM/fizika-08-1989_f1e55.jpg]
        and then study physics at the institute .. and only after that conduct arguments about how good the T-55 sight is relative to the T-14 and T-90 sights
        1. -2
          9 June 2023 19: 26
          only after that to talk about how good the T-55 sight is relative to the T-14 and T-90 sights

          Yes, I only look at pictures in books and draw conclusions laughing
          For example, the Tiger has a binocular optical sight with 2 windows 4 cm in diameter, and the Armata has a sight covered with glass no more than 10 millimeters thick, since the thermal imager will not work through a large thickness and 40 cm in size diagonally with 5 mm armored shutters. A question under the OPTICS section - who will be left without optics on a gun from sniper fire before? And from a machine gun?
      2. +1
        9 June 2023 11: 35
        yes, it was very funny against the "tiger" in the trench or t-90
      3. -2
        10 June 2023 20: 36
        You, a creature not disfigured by intellect, stop talking nonsense!
    2. 0
      9 June 2023 20: 03
      Our grandfathers from the infantry would have laughed at both the T-90M with Abrams and Armata with the Leopard

      The Armata has a very advanced means of observation, a thermal imager, but the devices are fragile, so it must be dug in and disguised to conduct reconnaissance, transmit intelligence to the T-55 and self-propelled guns that will shoot from closed positions.
  9. +2
    9 June 2023 09: 46
    Good chances for the tank only when meeting with enemy grenade launchers. Really, the tank is outdated.
  10. 0
    9 June 2023 11: 00
    Quote: paul3390
    hitting something serious even without breaking through the armor

    A few months ago, a video was published where one Russian tank practically shot down an enemy column of several infantry fighting vehicles and tanks. one of the enemy tanks received a direct hit on the forehead from ours and calmly drove away in reverse.
  11. +1
    9 June 2023 11: 38
    You can watch a funny video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmObTg8ReOs
    It can be seen there that even combined armor does not always save, although it works much better than pure "iron". It's a pity, there is only a cumulative, it would be interesting to look at the crowbars.
  12. 0
    9 June 2023 11: 42
    Quote: Repellent
    the presence of AZ (or MZ)
    - the presence of a laser sight-rangefinder
    - more developed SLA.

    Which, in the end, allows you to shoot fast enough and accurately enough to overwhelm the enemy. Before he does this to you.

    1. The presence of an AZ does not in any way allow you to increase the rate of fire of the gun, especially for a smaller caliber gun and at distances higher than a direct shot
    2. No one interferes with installing a laser rangefinder and a more developed FCS on the T-34 if necessary.
    3. As a result, the T-54/55 shoots faster and more accurately and, as a rule, hits first at distances higher than a direct shot in all modern tanks and other targets in the most vulnerable horizontal projection. With this, it will remain out of range of all RPGs and most ATGMs.
    4. There is also guided ammunition for the 100 mm T-55 gun.
    1. 0
      9 June 2023 19: 38
      as a rule, it will hit first at distances higher than a direct shot in all modern tanks and other targets in the most vulnerable horizontal projection. With this, it will remain out of range of all RPGs and most ATGMs.

      Let it not break through, but concuss the crew and knock out the electronics for further reprisals.
      So far, most of our wrecked tanks in Ukrainian videos are from the T-72 and more modern.
  13. +4
    9 June 2023 12: 43
    152mm cumulative shells ... of this caliber and high-explosive shells will disable the tank.
    1. +1
      9 June 2023 13: 46
      152mm cumulative shells ... of this caliber and high-explosive shells will disable the tank.

      In 1988, the Americans conducted similar tests, only they simulated a fire raid with 155 mm high-explosive shells on a tank column. The same age as the T-54/55, M48 Patton tanks were used as targets.

      This is the undercarriage of the tank after a 30 mm high-explosive exploded 155 meters from it.
      1. +5
        9 June 2023 14: 02
        This is the undercarriage of the tank after a 30 mm high-explosive exploded 155 meters from it.

        Viktor Nikolaevich, can you tell me the source of information? I would like to check. In the photo, everything points to a mine explosion (at least the fender turned upside down and the destruction of the first track roller), and not the impact of a blast wave from 30-7 kg of explosives that exploded 11 meters from the tank.
        PS On https://www.realitymod.com/ I found an uncut picture (with a caption). But she does not explain the origin. And the quality is the same, it is not possible to read the black plate on the torsion bar with damage data.
        1. +3
          9 June 2023 14: 13

          And this is the total of a direct hit by a 155 mm high explosive into the tank.
          I would like to check.

          Check. The article is called Who Says Dumb Artillery Rounds Can't Kill Armor. https://pdfcoffee.com/qdownload/who-says-dumb-artillery-rounds-canx27t-kill-armor-pdf-free.html
          or https://imgur.com/gallery/gIjCo.
          1. +1
            9 June 2023 14: 15
            And this is the total of a direct hit by a 155 mm high explosive into the tank.

            Well, with direct hits, it’s clear, there are no questions
            The article is called Who Says Dumb Artillery Rounds Can't Kill Armor.

            Thank you
            PS Article from Field Artillery Journal, USArmy, Nov/Dec 2002.
  14. +1
    9 June 2023 13: 21
    All that can be counted on in this case is a “successful” collision with the projectile, when it is either unable to penetrate the armor due to an unsuccessful hit point, or the cumulative jet does not touch the crew and dangerous equipment of the vehicle.


    And even the lack of penetration can lead to fatal consequences. For example, a tank turret is torn off its shoulder straps and carried away several meters (with fragments of the crew's bodies).
    I do not rule out that for modern tanks, their sophisticated on-board electronics may turn out to be a weak point. An interesting question is how sensitive it is to strong shocks / vibrations that can accompany a hit, even if there was no penetration of the armor.
    1. 0
      9 June 2023 13: 35
      And even no penetration can lead to fatal consequences. For example, the tank turret is torn off the epaulettes and carried away several meters (with fragments of the bodies of the crew).

      From a cumulative projectile that worked on the armor? wassat lol
  15. +2
    9 June 2023 14: 15
    Like fixed tank firing points at checkpoints, dug in and protected by concrete behind and on the side of the tower, with a room under the tank and underground passages for a safe exit, they may well stop a column of armored vehicles. Getting into the tower from the front is not so easy. And if you cover her armor in front with more protection ...
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine prefer to move along the roads, so layered defense with many checkpoints, strongholds, with buried tanks can cause them a lot of trouble.
    1. 0
      19 June 2023 00: 02
      T55 does not have high angles. This is not an SAU. Aiming it is inferior in distances, more modern 72b, b3 T80. The armor is also inferior. It's all stupid to argue. The car is technically 70 years old. But there are a lot of shells, and if you do not take accuracy. And the number at maximum range. Then a couple of dozen can improvise MLRS. Just a shaft of fire. Cheap and angry. And also let more expensive systems work, causing confusion for the counter-battery. The question is how to use. It is not reasonable to invest money in processing and modernization. It's easier to make a new T72b3 or T90m.
  16. 0
    9 June 2023 15: 46
    The usual 100 mm armor-piercing projectile will go through the roof of all modern tanks, including the Leopard and Abrams. You can lower the muzzle velocity of the projectile to about 650-700 m / s and the angle of incidence by 6-8 kilometers will be better for penetrating horizontal armor. .
  17. 0
    12 June 2023 10: 45
    Quote: A vile skeptic
    And even no penetration can lead to fatal consequences. For example, the tank turret is torn off the epaulettes and carried away several meters (with fragments of the bodies of the crew).

    From a cumulative projectile that worked on the armor? wassat lol

    It’s unlikely from a cumulative one, but it’s quite possible from an ordinary HE shell. In addition, a regular HE shell hit can jam the turret, break the suspension, disable the gun and instruments, break lattice screens, blow up DZ blocks and dimov grenades, severely injure or even kill tankers inside the tank from a sound wave, and so on. In other words, the usual HE shells can be achieved, as they say in the West, mobility and firepower kill for a long period of time on all types of modern tanks in the world. If a tank on the defensive lost its course and fire for at least one hour, this could mean a complete loss.
    In addition, the usual armor-piercing or concrete-piercing, or semi-armor-piercing naval shell is capable of penetrating the horizontal armor of all modern tanks from a long distance, and all modern screens, combined armor, AZ and DZ have a bad effect on these shells.
  18. -1
    12 June 2023 12: 14
    My compliments to the author for the article. I read it with pleasure. hi
    1. 0
      18 June 2023 02: 04
      For a colleague who put a minus. Didn't like the article? Author? or that he was giving compliments? Are you jealous? laughing
  19. 0
    15 June 2023 04: 53
    The information is somewhat outdated: it would be worth adding a drone attack.
  20. 0
    15 June 2023 04: 54
    [quote=pavel.tipingmail.com] The information is somewhat outdated: it would be worth adding a drone attack.
  21. 0
    16 June 2023 16: 39
    Protection is good, but how will the crew feel when hit from the same Acacia?
  22. 0
    22 July 2023 19: 30
    case material. Big respect to the author! Instead of the chatter typical of our days, the real facts.