Adoption, serial production and operation in the army. Successes of the microwave rifle

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Adoption, serial production and operation in the army. Successes of the microwave rifle
Microwave rifle chambered for 7,62x54 mm R


The Russian army is getting a new sniper rifle designed to complement and, in the future, replace the well-deserved SVD. A promising microwave rifle designed by A. Chukavin coped with all the tests, is being prepared for adoption and is already being mass-produced. Now the Kalashnikov concern, which has developed a new weapon, it is necessary to reach the required production rates and ensure the planned rearmament.



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On May 26, the Kalashnikov Concern held an event dedicated to its latest developments in the field of small arms. The main attention of the press and the public, for obvious reasons, was attracted by the presentation of the updated AK-12 mod. 2023 In addition, the concern demonstrated a new PPK-20 submachine gun and a mass-produced microwave sniper rifle.

The president of the Kalashnikov concern, Alan Lushnikov, noted that the microwave product had already been adopted by the Russian army. However, soon the press service of the organization clarified the current state of affairs. According to her, the rifle has not yet been officially put into service, but a corresponding government decree is already being prepared, which will be adopted in the near future.

The concern began production of new rifles, and the first batches have already hit the troops. The servicemen operate new rifles and send their feedback - in general, they were satisfied. At the same time, the head of the concern recalled that the development of the design can continue after it is put into service and into operation.


Sergey Urzhumtsev, chief designer of the Kalashnikov Concern, demonstrates new developments. Left - microwave rifle

Now the main task of "Kalashnikov" in the framework of the microwave project is to work out mass production and reach the required pace. At the end of April, the creator of the rifle, Andrei Yuryevich Chukavin, revealed the main plans of this kind. He recalled that the development of mass production of new weapons is a laborious process. However, the well-established production allows to increase the pace in accordance with the tasks set.

As a result of such processes, production volumes are growing. This year, the production of microwave rifles will be several dozen times higher than last year. In the next 2024, the Kalashnikov concern plans to reach a pace that meets the needs of the customer represented by the Ministry of Defense. However, exact numbers cannot yet be given.

While Kalashnikov is launching production, the state celebrates the merits of the creators of the new weapon. In March 2023, by presidential decree, A.Yu. Chukavin was awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky. The well-deserved award was presented in May, a few days before the presentation of the serial rifle and other products.

Perspective replacement


The future microwave sniper rifle was developed in the mid-XNUMXs as a modern replacement for the well-deserved but old SVD. In the new project, it was planned to use modern materials and solutions that made it possible to improve all the main characteristics of the weapon. In addition, from the very beginning, the development of several modifications of the rifle for different cartridges was considered.

The Chukavin rifle was first shown to the public in 2017 at the Army forum. At the same time, the main provisions of the project and the expected characteristics were revealed. Subsequently, the microwave was repeatedly demonstrated at various exhibitions in Russia and abroad. For example, a few weeks ago it was shown in Minsk at the MILEX-2023 exhibition.


Head of Rostec S. Chemezov and A.Yu. Chukavin (right) with a well-deserved award

For several years, the microwave product has passed the stage of factory testing and design development. At the beginning of 2021, it became known that the rifle entered the stage of state tests, which will determine its future fate. According to known data, the rifle showed its best side, as a result of which preparations for production and adoption began.

In November 2022, the Ministry of Defense issued the first order to the Kalashnikov concern for the mass production of microwave rifles. A few months later, in February 2023, the concern's management announced the successful launch of the series. Now the enterprise is taking measures aimed at increasing production in accordance with the expected requirements of the customer.

It is expected that in the foreseeable future, serial microwaves will begin to massively enter the Russian army and gradually replace the existing SVD. Whether a complete replacement of cash rifles is planned, and how long this process can last, has not yet been specified. However, at the moment the main task is to refine production and reach the required volumes - this will allow us to solve any production problems and fulfill any orders.

Technical features


The microwave product is a self-loading rifle for infantry snipers and generally occupies the same niche as the existing SVD. At the same time, the design of the new rifle was created taking into account the accumulated experience, current customer requirements, etc. This approach made it possible to improve the overall characteristics of the weapon, as well as adapt it to modern conditions.


Incomplete disassembly of the rifle. Frame from video about development methods

It was reported about the development of three variants of the rifle under a different cartridge. So, for the Russian army, the basic modification is intended, using 7,62x54 mm R ammunition. Other customers may be interested in the version of the weapon chambered for the 7,62x51 mm NATO cartridge. An enlarged and reinforced version of the rifle has also been developed, using the more powerful .338 Lapua Magnum ammunition.

Microwave of all modifications is built according to the so-called. curtain scheme. The receiver and internal mechanisms are divided into two units, as in popular foreign-designed products. The upper "receiver" is made of metal and is equipped with a barrel, bolt, etc. Its design corresponds to the occurring loads. The lower part of the box does not experience heavy loads, which made it possible to make it from a polymer.

The total length of the weapon, depending on the set length of the butt, is not less than 940 mm. Length with folded butt - 730 mm. Weight without cartridges - 4,3 kg. The project provides for the use of trunks with a length of 410 to 565 mm.

The rifle received automation based on the removal of powder gases. A short stroke gas piston is used to transfer energy to the bolt carrier. The bolt is equipped with three lugs and locks the barrel by turning. For work in different conditions, incl. with the use of additional muzzle devices, a gas regulator is provided. The trigger mechanism has an adjustable force and is equipped with safety flags on both sides of the rifle.


Microwave chambered for .338 LM

Microwave for domestic 7,62-mm ammunition uses standard magazines from SVD with a capacity of 10 rounds. Under the other two ammunition had to develop their own stores of the same capacity.

It is possible to install various sighting devices. To do this, the Picatinny rail runs along the entire length of the forearm and receiver. It is proposed to put on it both an open sight and various optical means.

The aiming range for the main modifications of the microwave is declared at the level of 1000-1200 m. High accuracy is ensured. So, when using a special sniper cartridge, accuracy reaches 1 MOA - at a distance of 100 m, this corresponds to a dispersion of 30 mm.

More success


Thus, one of the most interesting domestic projects in the field of small arms is successfully approaching the desired results. Not so long ago, the microwave sniper rifle coped with the tests, after which the first order for mass production appeared, and the preparation of documents for adoption into service began. All remaining procedures are expected to be completed shortly.

A certain number of microwave rifles are already in the troops. They provide operating experience, and in addition, snipers help further improve the design. In the near future, the number of such weapons in our army will increase by several times or even dozens of times, which will allow us to talk about full-fledged rearmament.
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  1. +6
    5 June 2023 04: 14
    The operation of a microwave in combat conditions will show all the pros and cons of a rifle, and then we will say whether it is good. And then the old woman SVD has been working for 60 years
    1. +6
      5 June 2023 04: 28
      Quote: Borik
      The operation of a microwave in combat conditions will show all the pros and cons of a rifle, and then we will say whether it is good. And then the old woman SVD has been working for 60 years

      "Mosinka" has been working for more than a century and it is not yet known how long it will be, so that 60 years is not the limit if the weapon is good.
      the concern demonstrated a new submachine gun PPK-20
      Which is now shoved where it is possible and where it is impossible, and everyone is trying to "push" it away, since it is a very "capricious" machine ...
      1. +3
        5 June 2023 09: 33
        "Mosinka" has been working for more than a century and it is not yet known how long it will be, so that 60 years is not the limit if the weapon is good.
        The point here is simply the cheapness of weapons and the availability of ammunition for them.
        1. 0
          6 June 2023 19: 27
          But the barrel is somehow strangely short for a sniper.
          Maybe in the city at short distances it will be more convenient.
          1. 0
            13 July 2023 03: 16
            The length in this matter is not so important. The quality of the production of the barrel is more important. And gunpowder burns completely in a barrel 550-600mm long, why make the barrel longer?
          2. 0
            26 July 2023 22: 15
            For an infantry sniper, a la Marksman, a long barrel is not needed.
  2. +2
    5 June 2023 04: 33
    what Everything new is the forgotten old. The basis of the microwave is the design and automation of the small-sized Dragunov assault rifle, or am I mistaken?

    1. -10
      5 June 2023 06: 23
      Quote: Lynx2000
      Microwave basis

      Microwave base, American M-16
      1. +2
        5 June 2023 11: 32
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: Lynx2000
        Microwave basis

        Microwave base, American M-16

        wink You can say that the elder is in VO.
        The AR-15 was developed by designers Eugene Stoner and James Sullivan based on the earlier AR-10 rifle. The AR-15 design used solutions well known by that time for a long time. The small-sized Dragunov assault rifle in the design of automation also had well-known solutions.
        Small-sized automatic machine Dragunov
        April 28 2016
        https://topwar.ru/94641-malogabaritnyy-avtomat-dragunova.html
        "Kalashnikov" is preparing a replacement for the famous SVD
        29 September 2017
        https://topwar.ru/126096-kalashnikov-gotovit-zamenu-znamenitoy-svd.html
        "It is worth noting that the Izhevsk gunsmiths chose as the basis for their novelty a layout scheme with a carrying upper part of the receiver, which was previously used in the small-sized MA machine gun designed by E. F. Dragunov. He created his machine gun as part of the Modern R & D. It is curious that not so long ago the project of the MA assault rifle was reanimated in Izhevsk, having received the designation AM-17. This novelty was also presented at the concern's stand during the Army-2017 forum.
        If I am not mistaken, MA Dragunov did not pass the tests due to the low quality of the polymers used at that time.
        Technical features and advantages of microwave rifles
        25 May 2021
        https://topwar.ru/183317-tehnicheskie-osobennosti-i-preimuschestva-vintovok-svch.html

        Py.Sy. I am not a specialist in weapons, there were enough from the army and "organs". My friend is a hunter, turned in arms, enlightens, he served in the air defense, not to the end, he did not shoot himself.
        hi
      2. +5
        5 June 2023 11: 48
        Quote: Lynx2000
        The basis of the microwave is the design and automation of the small-sized Dragunov assault rifle, or am I mistaken?
        You are wrong. The Dragunov assault rifle underlies the new AM 17 and AMB 17 assault rifles.

        And the microwave can be considered as an SVD rifle reassembled to modern requirements (including a carriage scheme). The trigger knot, generally one to one, SVDashny.
  3. -6
    5 June 2023 04: 35
    Here is one detail that has always interested me ... Well, mattresses sticking out a bare barrel with a degraded flame arrester are used for over-caliber grenades. Which in itself is stupidity, because, judging by the photo from their exercises, they don’t use over-caliber grenades, but the sighting line, that is, the accuracy that they put as a plus of the M-16, it cuts. But why do we copy it?
    Moreover, a sniper either doesn’t need a flash hider at all, so that accuracy doesn’t cut a little either, or it needs a completely retractable flash ... And again, the length of the aiming line is very strong with a rifle barrel ...
    Screams about the fact that you can put different open sights - so-so. Folding - also so-so. For example, in the second photo, Kalash with awkward, optics that do not interfere - and the photo is clearly visible. how much the length of the sighting line is reduced - one and a half times!
    1. +3
      5 June 2023 05: 35
      Microwave parameters
      length - 99,5 - 101,5 cm;
      rifle weight - 4200 grams;
      effective range of aimed fire - 1,2 km;
      barrel length - 41 cm;
      caliber - 7,62 (8,6) mm;
      dispersion distance - 30 mm per 100 m;
      ammunition type - 8,6x70 mm (other marking .338), 7,62x51 mm, and also 7,62x54 mm.
      Source: https://warbook.club/oruzhie/vintovki/vintovka-chukavina
      1. 0
        5 June 2023 21: 46
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        barrel length - 41 cm;

        This is for the civilian version.
        Microwave, like SVDS, has 565 mm.
    2. +4
      5 June 2023 05: 41
      Quote from Bingo
      For example, in the second photo, Kalash with awkward, optics that do not interfere - and the photo is clearly visible. how much the length of the sighting line is reduced - one and a half times!

      You didn’t notice that in addition to the front sight, the rear sight was also moved back, so that “the line is one and a half times smaller” is a big exaggeration ... The length of the line has changed little!

      Well, the 21st century is in the yard, it's time to focus on optics / Kaliki ...
      1. -8
        5 June 2023 07: 15
        With carried back - one and a half times less.
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Well, the 21st century is in the yard, it's time to focus on optics / Kaliki ...

        Uh-huh, enlightened. He smeared with mud, rubbed it - and there is no enlightened one, but he turned out to be in a city battle - so point along the trunk, because a sector of 1-2 degrees is visible in the optics
        1. +9
          5 June 2023 08: 23
          Quote from Bingo
          With carried back - one and a half times less.

          Well, why persist?


          Quote from Bingo
          so point along the barrel, because a sector of 1-2 degrees is visible in the optics


          optics / kaliks "kalik" - the slang name for a collimator sight - what 1-2 degrees ?!
    3. +4
      5 June 2023 09: 00
      Moreover, a sniper either doesn’t need a flash hider at all, so that the accuracy doesn’t cut a little either, or it needs a completely retractable flash ... And again, the length of the aiming line is very strong with a rifle barrel ..

      The optimal barrel length for the 7,62 x54 cartridge is exactly 620.mm, like the SVT, ABC and SVD. And the 410mm barrel gives a strong flash and a much louder sound, as well as increased recoil. Those. Microwave cannot be used without a can, the so-called DTK. But the DTK worsens the characteristics of the rifle, makes it heavier and increases the dimensions of the weapon. The microwave weight is given without DTK. The weight of the SVT with a barrel length of 620 mm is 3,8 kg without a bayonet and cartridges with an aiming range of 1200 m. This is called degradation.
      Sold good guns

      See what emotions the expert has. How he hits the target without a stop, while standing.
      1. +1
        5 June 2023 10: 43
        Please enlighten me.
        Do I understand correctly that the optimal barrel length for a cartridge is when the bullet passes the muzzle at the moment the powder in the cartridge burns out? If the barrel is shorter, then together with the bullet we get a force of flame from unburned gunpowder, if the barrel is longer then ... Yes, the speed of the bullet will increase due to the residual pressure of the powder gases, but the result will not be the same, in general, an increase in the length of the barrel does not greatly affect the speed bullets.
        1. 0
          5 June 2023 12: 00
          Quote: Not the fighter
          Please enlighten me.


          As I understand it, the length of the barrel was shortened at the request of the military, taking into account the fighting in urban areas. How well this was done, only time will tell.
          Civilian versions of this rifle are also produced with a long barrel, only a short barrel goes to the Army (at 7,62 x 54)
          1. 0
            5 June 2023 15: 19
            Rather, the length of the barrel was shortened for the convenience of traveling on vehicles.
        2. 0
          5 June 2023 18: 15
          Quote: Not the fighter
          Do I understand correctly that the optimal barrel length for a cartridge is when the bullet passes the muzzle at the moment the powder in the cartridge burns out?

          It seems to me that the answer to this question cannot be obvious and it is unlikely that it has ever been investigated. The optimality here will be determined by many factors, including the type of rifling and the thickness of a particular barrel, and the terms of reference for the dimensions of the weapon. Most likely in practice, they can be guided by acceptable indicators of the pressure and velocity diagrams presented by Bad_gr, but they are often generalized, that is, for a specific type of weapon, and not for a specific barrel. In practice... what am I saying? In practice, the best submachine gun of World War II PPS-43 has a shortened barrel by a couple of centimeters (compared to PPS-42), in order to reduce the rate of fire, but at the same time, accuracy has sharply decreased and has become worse than that of PPSh-41. In the AK-47, Kalashnikov was forced to “suboptimally” shorten the barrel, in order to please the terms of reference for the overall dimensions of the weapon, but the commission considered the ballistic characteristics of the product acceptable.
          .... in general, increasing the length of the barrel does not greatly affect the speed of the bullet.
          According to the diagram provided by Bad_gr, maybe not much, but if this is important for someone, then they can sacrifice the dimensions of the weapon in order to improve the flatness of the bullet trajectory and the accuracy of fire at a distance of effective fire. The Poles, for example, EMNIP, while still members of the Warsaw Pact, were armed with a PKK with a nozzle on the barrel about 30 cm long. Such is the practice.
        3. +1
          7 June 2023 21: 18
          The barrel was shortened - the rate of fire was reduced, but the accuracy also decreased.
          Here the barrel is clearly longer than that of the PPSh-41.
          There may be questions, but when you need the barrel of the "Zastava M72" RPK, which I saw in the hands of Polish warriors, it was possible to lengthen it with a removable nozzle. True, this system was not in service with the Polish Armed Forces, here I was mistaken.
  4. -3
    5 June 2023 04: 41
    I don’t know, I was completely satisfied with the AKM 7.62 with standard cartridges and a wooden butt in 75-77. The photo does not show a mechanical sight, how to shoot if an optical one comes out? And how to hit the head or forehead of the enemy in hand-to-hand combat? Not this flimsy plastic.
    And that's why we do everything under the NATO patron? What would the enemy use our own weapons against us? The SVO showed that they were selling our weapons to the left - to the right, and they returned to us against us in Ukraine. From cartridges to aircraft, tanks and artillery. No. soldier
    1. +23
      5 June 2023 05: 18
      Quote: V.
      I don’t know, I was completely satisfied with the AKM 7.62 with standard cartridges and a wooden butt in 75-77. The photo does not show a mechanical sight, how to shoot if an optical one comes out? And how to hit the head or forehead of the enemy in hand-to-hand combat? Not this flimsy plastic.

      If so, install a folding front sight and rear sight on the bar?

      Previously, I was also satisfied with the AK-74M, it was possible to charge the enemy in the forehead with a butt.
      Fuzee of the 18th century, with a butt, you can probably break a helmet 6B27.
      Do you think that amers with their AR-based rifles / carbines or our AK-12 or AK-74 with telescopic butts should be used in hand-to-hand combat?

      I remember the words about close combat from our foreman (tash.stash.ensign) of the company, part-time instructor in physical training and hand-to-hand combat about an old anecdote,
      about when a warrior can engage in hand-to-hand combat with the enemy (in his words):
      To engage in hand-to-hand combat, a reconnaissance fighter must:
      1. Lose (obscenely in the original) on the battlefield an assault rifle, a pistol, a knife, a waist belt, a shoulder blade, a bulletproof vest, a helmet.
      2. Find a flat area on which not a single stone or stick is lying around.
      3. Find the same gouging on it (obscene in the original).
      And only after that, to join with him in melee. hi
      1. -1
        5 June 2023 05: 53
        I remember the words about close combat from our foreman (tash.stash.ensign) of the company, part-time instructor in physical training and hand-to-hand combat about an old anecdote,

        And I remember the words of our colonel about the fact that the butt of an automatic rifle is also an additional means of protection, and when you move towards the enemy while still in full growth, you need to cover your groin with a butt ...
        And if I have to take a weapon in my old age and have the opportunity to choose, then I will look for a weapon with a warm, good wooden butt.
        All good hunting rifles have a wooden buttstock, not a plastic junk stock. I want to press my cheek against wood, not plastic.
        1. +4
          5 June 2023 07: 54
          Quote: Konnick
          I want to press my cheek against wood, not plastic.

          But it won't. The tree is varnished. Lacquer is a polymer, that is, essentially the same plastic.
          1. 0
            22 June 2023 01: 54
            Well, really good guns have oil impregnation, not varnish. Lacquer in consumer goods.
        2. +2
          5 June 2023 12: 22
          Quote: Konnick
          And I remember the words of our colonel about the fact that the butt of an automatic rifle is also an additional means of protection, and when you move towards the enemy while still in full growth, you need to cover your groin with a butt ...

          I remember that in the offensive, after throwing the RGD-5, the soldier should lower his leg to his knee, press his chin to his chest, hold the machine gun vertically, covering his groin with the butt?
          If you move to the enemy in full growth, covering the groin with a butt, how to shoot?
          There are options:

          Native terry/mabuta:


          Quote: Konnick
          And if I have to take a weapon in my old age and have the opportunity to choose, then I will look for a weapon with a warm, good wooden butt.
          All good hunting rifles have a wooden buttstock, not a plastic junk stock. I want to press my cheek against wood, not plastic.

          In vain, the impact-resistant polymers on the fore-end, gas tube cover and AK-74M stock are tactilely pleasant, in any way better (IMHO) than the AKS-74 stock.
          1. -3
            5 June 2023 13: 51
            If you move to the enemy in full growth, covering the groin with a butt, how to shoot?

            The same colonel said about this shooting - When you approach the enemy, you will already run out of cartridges, a tank or an armored personnel carrier should shoot in the worst case, and the tank has unmeasured cartridges. And when we ran to the attack, he stopped and said - When you get to the line of attack, you will grab air with your tongues hanging out and you will not have enough strength to move quickly. If anything, the colonel from the Taman division was after the school named after the Supreme Council.

            after throwing RGD-5

            Is this how it is necessary to approach the enemy in order to throw a grenade? Standing 20 meters from the trench? And hide from grenade fragments, and not from small arms fire? Theorists...
            1. +1
              6 June 2023 00: 00
              Quote: Konnick

              after throwing RGD-5

              Is this how it is necessary to approach the enemy in order to throw a grenade? Standing 20 meters from the trench? And hide from grenade fragments, and not from small arms fire? Theorists...

              What's wrong?! At least remember the instructions, or fire training classes, the topic of hand grenades (techniques and rules for throwing hand fragmentation grenades).
              Hand-held fragmentation grenade RGD-5 remote action, to defeat enemy manpower in the offensive or defense. The area of ​​dispersion of fragments is from 25 to 30 sq.m. Throwing is carried out from various positions when acting on foot or in a car, armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle.
              It is necessary to throw offensive grenades at a distance greater than the fragmentation range, plus the distance that the attacker will overcome from the moment of throwing until the grenade explodes (3-4 seconds), moving at a run / accelerated step in order to cover a distance of 10-15 meters. The normative distance for throwing such a grenade on the move is at least 35-40 meters.

              Theorists?!
              Py.Sy. I am not a "pinjak", I have served urgently in the North Caucasus District since 1999.
          2. +1
            5 June 2023 15: 53
            In vain, shock-resistant polymers on the forearm, gas tube pad


            Yes Yes
            1. +1
              5 June 2023 23: 44
              Quote: Konnick
              In vain, shock-resistant polymers on the forearm, gas tube pad


              Yes Yes

              what It seems to me that this is not a regular "body kit" AK-74M. Carbine? Normally, such a polymer showed itself, and, moreover, it was the case that the machine hit rocks in the gorge (it flew about 20 meters), everything was fine. Yes
              1. 0
                7 June 2023 21: 46
                It seems to me that this is not a regular "body kit" AK-74M. Carbine?

                It's an AK-12
            2. 0
              18 November 2023 17: 13
              You can apply it in different ways - if it is glass-filled polyamide, then you can’t break it with a hammer; gearbox housings are made from it. It is possible that the plywood would have shattered into splinters from a similar blow, just how to check this.
      2. -1
        5 June 2023 21: 52
        Quote: Lynx2000
        And only after that, to join with him in melee.

        Funny. And the trenches of the enemy to storm?
        1. +1
          5 June 2023 23: 46
          Quote: Alex777
          Quote: Lynx2000
          And only after that, to join with him in melee.

          Funny. And the trenches of the enemy to storm?

          Now, how are the enemy's defensive forces and trenches being stormed? Did you watch a lot of hand-to-hand fights where they beat with butts?
    2. +2
      5 June 2023 06: 45
      And that's why we do everything under the NATO patron? What would the enemy use our own weapons against us?

      That's about us businessmen from weapons think least of all. Having sold Soviet weapons at bargain prices to American amateurs, they decided that the pros would take the "new" Russian one, and therefore they began to sculpt picatini and NATO calibers with a dream of exporting, but the American consumer would buy SCS manufactured in the 50s, and the American soldier would use AR -15 than something from Chukavin or Lobaev ...
    3. +5
      5 June 2023 12: 14
      But it’s okay that an enemy with a thermal imager or a night light will see you and hit you from afar with your super-reliable “oar”, and you won’t even understand where he is shooting from, because at the same time he will have a nozzle masking the sound of a shot wrapped around the barrel? Moreover, thanks to the regular seats at the end of the barrel and the standard picatinny rail, the enemy can install absolutely all the electro-optical stray that is on the ball on his weapon?
      It is hard to be deaf, blind and, in addition, a fool in battle - well, if you deny scientific and technological progress.
      1. -3
        5 June 2023 13: 59
        But nothing that the enemy with a thermal imager or a night light

        That's just a tank with a thermal imager calculates a sniper at night at a time. Now snipers try to work during the day, covering their optics with a homemade 10mm aperture made from a protective lens cap, so as not to shine in the sun and to improve sharpness. Lens aperture is needed only at dusk.
        1. +2
          5 June 2023 21: 54
          Quote: Konnick
          That's just a tank with a thermal imager calculates a sniper at night at a time.

          Not anymore. Our disguise is done.
          And the sniper under it does not overheat.
  5. +4
    5 June 2023 05: 00
    Quote: V.
    I don’t know, I was completely satisfied with the AKM 7.62 with standard cartridges and a wooden butt in 75-77. The photo does not show a mechanical sight, how to shoot if an optical one comes out? And how to hit the head or forehead of the enemy in hand-to-hand combat? Not this flimsy plastic.
    And that's why we do everything under the NATO patron? What would the enemy use our own weapons against us? The SVO showed that they were selling our weapons to the left - to the right, and they returned to us against us in Ukraine. From cartridges to aircraft, tanks and artillery. No. soldier

    That is, you propose not to sell weapons in principle, they can use them against us) In general, the argument that it is impossible to adopt barrels chambered for a potential enemy does not stand up to criticism, but the enemy will be able to use trophies without problems, but it works both ways, but no need to reinvent the next wheel, just as they didn’t show off with the design of software for Makarov and various exotic cartridges, they still came to Parabellum like the rest of the world)
    1. -2
      5 June 2023 05: 30
      Imagine that there are no Soviet and Russian weapons abroad, except for Ukraine. What would Ukraine fight now? Yes, there would be arms supplies from the West, but at what price and in what quantities, and it is no secret that they are inferior in reliability to the Soviet ones. That is why the West collects Soviet weapons around the world and gives them to Bandera. soldier
  6. +1
    5 June 2023 05: 45
    The president of the Kalashnikov concern, Alan Lushnikov, noted that the microwave product had already been adopted by the Russian army. However, soon the press service of the organization clarified the current state of affairs. According to her, the rifle has not yet been officially put into service, but a corresponding government decree is already being prepared, which will be adopted in the near future.


    I still do not understand how you can manage something without knowing the subject you are leading.

    Alan Lushnikov was born on August 10, 1976 in St. Petersburg. In 1998 he graduated from St. Petersburg State University with a degree in jurisprudence.

    From 1997 to 2001 he worked as a lawyer, then as a leading specialist at CJSC Sovetnik in St. Petersburg. Further, for five years he worked as a legal adviser at Kinex-Holding LLC, Link-oil SPb LLC and as a general legal adviser at Transoil LLC.

    Later, Alan Lushnikov was the deputy head of the Federal Agency for Railway Transport - Roszheldor. In addition to his main duties, he dealt with issues related to the reform of railway transport. From February to August 2008, he served as the head of the department.

    From 2010 to 2012, he was appointed Assistant to the Minister of Transport of Russia, which was then led by Igor Levitin. He also served as assistant to the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Arkady Dvorkovich. Responsible for transport issues: railway, ports, air. He was a member of the Board of Directors of Sheremetyevo Holding.

    Since February 17, 2017 Lushnikov Alan Valeryevich has been the Deputy Minister of Transport of the Russian Federation. Supervises the railway industry.

    At the end of September 2018, Alan Lushnikov was relieved of his post as Deputy Minister of Transport of the Russian Federation at his own request.

    When will lawyers and economists stop leading us?

    And this one is also a rock singer at his leisure, like journalist Rogozin.
  7. +1
    5 June 2023 05: 59
    I somehow wrapped myself with a machine-gun belt ... And cracked around the corner ... Only now I bent the corner, and the cartridges were on point ...
  8. +1
    5 June 2023 06: 03
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Microwave parameters
    length - 99,5 - 101,5 cm;
    rifle weight - 4200 grams;
    effective range of aimed fire - 1,2 km;
    barrel length - 41 cm;
    caliber - 7,62 (8,6) mm;
    dispersion distance - 30 mm per 100 m;
    ammunition type - 8,6x70 mm (other marking .338), 7,62x51 mm, and also 7,62x54 mm.
    Source: https://warbook.club/oruzhie/vintovki/vintovka-chukavina

    According to the comparative performance characteristics, it is striking: the microwave is shorter and lighter, which is a big plus; Picatinny rail is initially. Everything else will become clear in the war.
    1. +3
      5 June 2023 08: 11
      You are right that superiority is striking, BUT firstly, the entire rifle in EACH caliber is not indicated, as well as the firing range in EACH caliber. I just can’t believe that in caliber 7.62x54 you can shoot effectively at 1200m. With the Lapua Magnum cartridge, yes. But the weight of the microwave in the caliber 8,6x70 is not indicated. And the whole, by definition, cannot be less than or the same as that of a weaker cartridge. And how did you get the best firing range with a barrel shorter by almost 150mm? I DO NOT BELIEVE. Moreover, it is not indicated HOW MUCH the same microwave oven costs in different calibers. However, there are modernizations of the SVD at a cost of about 70-100 thousand rubles, which provide the same grouping of hits as that of the new microwave. Here is an example for you
      . Of course, a microwave in caliber 8,6x70 is NEEDED, but in caliber 7.62x54 or 7.62x51 it's just a waste of money !!!
      1. 0
        5 June 2023 08: 24
        Quote: nedgen
        Of course, a microwave in caliber 8,6x70 is NEEDED, but in caliber 7.62x54 or 7.62x51 it's just a waste of money

        Caliber .338 was relevant 20 years ago. Now it is much less. .300WM and 6,5mm calibers give almost the same range. Shooting at 1000 yards has almost completely switched to 6,5mm for quite some time.

        However, this is news from another world. The tasks of the RF Armed Forces are the same as 50 years ago: to find and issue match cartridges to a sniper. Smuggling from Finland through Kazakhstan, buy with your own money.
        1. 0
          5 June 2023 14: 35
          Quote: Negro
          Quote: nedgen
          Of course, a microwave in caliber 8,6x70 is NEEDED, but in caliber 7.62x54 or 7.62x51 it's just a waste of money

          Caliber .338 was relevant 20 years ago. Now it is much less. .300WM and 6,5mm calibers give almost the same range. Shooting at 1000 yards has almost completely switched to 6,5mm for quite some time.

          However, this is news from another world. The tasks of the RF Armed Forces are the same as 50 years ago: to find and issue match cartridges to a sniper. Smuggling from Finland through Kazakhstan, buy with your own money.

          In general, I agree with you, but still 0.338 is still designed for shooting at 1000 meters and 1000 yards is 910m. So 0.338 is still very relevant. As they say, each cartridge has its own niche. Even 5.6mm. For police snipers, for example, because a 5.6mm magnum with a silencer in the city is GENERALLY inaudible.
          1. 0
            5 June 2023 20: 50
            Quote: nedgen
            Even 5.6mm

            5,56 with a long barrel is similar to the same SVD, and taking into account bourgeois cartridges and a body kit, it will be stronger.
            Quote: nedgen
            As they say, for each cartridge there is a niche

            The range of a sniper cartridge is the range at which the bullet maintains supersonic speed. 6.5mm Creedmoor - kilometer, .300WM - 1300 meters, .338 - from 1500 (standard cartridge) to 1800 (long bullets) meters. So the .338 niche is already shooting for a mile. As a rule, it makes no sense to use such heavy weapons for a kilometer.

            Another thing is that the American MTR has inclinations to switch to .338 Norma as a cartridge for the KKP. Then there's another conversation.
  9. +2
    5 June 2023 06: 07
    butt, bolt, trigger, optics, barrel .... and what is there, you can invent)
  10. +4
    5 June 2023 06: 11
    So, for the Russian army, the basic modification is intended, using 7,62x54 mm R ammunition. Other customers may be interested in the version of the weapon chambered for the 7,62x51 mm NATO cartridge. An enlarged and reinforced version of the rifle has also been developed, using the more powerful .338 Lapua Magnum ammunition.


    And what performance characteristics for each modification are secret, they usually publish

    Sighting range for the main modifications of the microwave is declared at the level of 1000-1200 m

    Barrel 410 mm versus 560 for SVD ...

    So, when using a special sniper cartridge, accuracy reaches 1 MOA - at a distance of 100 m, this corresponds to a dispersion of 30 mm.

    And what special cartridge?
    338? With a barrel length of 565 mm? Only weight say rifles under 7,62x51.
    Already for this it is necessary to stop respecting the Kalashnikov concern. Sly too, designed for fools. I am glad that the microwave was not adopted for service, as this rogue Lushnikov lied.
  11. +4
    5 June 2023 06: 26
    Quote from yuri bakster
    butt, bolt, trigger, optics, barrel .... and what is there, you can invent)

    Yes, everything seems to be simple: only one weapon serves a hundred years; copies are made from it, and the other goes into oblivion ...
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  13. -1
    5 June 2023 06: 48
    Head of Rostec S. Chemezov and A.Yu. Chukavin (right) with a well-deserved award

    For some reason, the smile on Chukavin’s face is not visible ... if he were satisfied with the rifle with his last name, he would shine like a polished samovar, but there is no particular joy here ... he seems to be aware of the inferiority of the rifle.
    1. 0
      5 June 2023 10: 09
      "realizes inferiority" is not yet a fact, can Chukavin be like that by nature?
      Once, while still at school, I knew the boy "cloud": he never laughed and walked gloomy. By nature: good-natured bumpkin, but never laughed. Only if very pleased, a little - a little half a smile.
  14. -4
    5 June 2023 06: 51
    Good weapons do not need to be dragged to exhibitions and promoted everywhere. Remember when the Kalashnikov assault rifle was first shown, a few years after it was put into service ... the earth is full of rumors ...
  15. -3
    5 June 2023 06: 56
    after which the first order for mass production appeared, and the preparation of documents for adoption into service began.


    Will not appear. There will also be a departmental commission for production.

    Chukavin revealed the main plans of this kind. He recalled that the development of mass production of new weapons is a laborious process. However, the well-established production allows to increase the pace in accordance with the tasks set.

    That's just the commission will look at the technology, the stability of quality and price depend on it. And Chukavin is not in vain afraid of this.
  16. +10
    5 June 2023 07: 08
    Why is this rifle better than SVD? Nothing, just more expensive. It would be understandable if this was accepted by the rifle-cartridge complex, and this is more like rearranging beds in a brothel. The same circus with the AK-12.
    1. +1
      6 June 2023 12: 50
      What SVD-M is not sure about, than SVD - everything, first of all, the ability to put any sight, including with a thermal imaging attachment, the second is regular bipods, and a folding butt.
      And who told you that it is more expensive to manufacture than SVD-M? I think it's the other way around. Well, again, a simpler adaptation to other calibers.
  17. +1
    5 June 2023 08: 57
    Quote: V.
    And that's why we do everything under the NATO patron? What would the enemy use our own weapons against us?


    So what to do? Our cartridge 7.62X54 is not for modern sniping at all. Neither in caliber (small, rather weak), nor constructively (well, at least it was possible to get rid of the rim?), nor in terms of workmanship (grinding tolerances are too big).
    We would like to learn how to make good cartridges so that they are no worse than Western ones. With a Western patron (after her alteration), even an old SVD woman could still fight for her intended purpose.
    1. +1
      5 June 2023 13: 26
      Quote: Illanatol
      Quote: V.
      And that's why we do everything under the NATO patron? What would the enemy use our own weapons against us?


      So what to do? Our cartridge 7.62X54 is not for modern sniping at all. Neither in caliber (small, rather weak), nor constructively (well, at least it was possible to get rid of the rim?), nor in terms of workmanship (grinding tolerances are too big).
      We would like to learn how to make good cartridges so that they are no worse than Western ones. With a Western patron (after her alteration), even an old SVD woman could still fight for her intended purpose.

      Sorry, but you obviously don't understand anything about sniping. I am also not an expert BUT, who told you that the 7.62x54 cartridge is small in caliber? I have never heard more nonsense in my life. MOST sniper rifles (bolt and self-loading) in the world are in 7,62 caliber !!! Yes, the 8.6x70 Lapua magnum is better, but this is a cartridge for shooting at a distance of about a kilometer and beyond. For caliber 7.62, shooting at distances of up to km is normal, or if you're lucky a little further. I agree with you that 7.62x54 is NOT VERY suitable for sniper purposes BUT THE REASON IS NOT IN THE CALIBER OR FENDER!!! The reason is the poor quality of the cartridges themselves. The instability of the quality of cartridges of even one partida. Unequal amount of gunpowder, differences in the weight of the bullets themselves, etc. And you also need to develop a special bullet for sniper shooting and very accurately maintain the parameters during production. hi
  18. +1
    5 June 2023 09: 55
    Comrades, I didn’t cut it a little: I saw information somewhere, the Donbass use the TSVL "Stalingrad" rifle. Sladkov had information about Lobaev's rifle.
    What the hell is Chukavin?
    1. +3
      5 June 2023 10: 46
      TVSL is a weapon of a different class. The article talks about replacing SVD at the platoon level, and TVSL is a bolt for a sniper pair, special forces. The difference is also in the required volume of production.
    2. +5
      5 June 2023 11: 22
      Because we have traditionally harnessed a horse and a quivering doe to one cart. That is, they called two fundamentally different classes of well-aimed shooters with the same term "sniper".
      SVD and microwave is what they call DMR over the hill. Squad/platoon marksman's rifle - a "soldier with an oar" working in combat formations of his infantry against important targets in enemy combat formations that are beyond the effective fire range of machine guns - commanders, group weapon crews, etc.
      And ORSIS and Lobaev are just what they call "sniper rifles" over the hill. Weapons of snipers of individual units (level from the brigade and above) for shooting per kilometer and further at piece targets.
      1. 0
        18 August 2023 13: 12
        In fact, self-loading rifles are used not only by well-aimed shooters, as you called them, but even by high-level pros, the same alpha used them ...
        It’s just that for an infantry sniper it’s only SVD / microwave, but for the pros everything will depend on the task. But Lobaev just started making high-class self-loading rifles, they don’t seem to make orsis and bespok, or I may have missed it, and they started doing it, but in any case, only recently ...
    3. 0
      18 August 2023 13: 06
      So different rifles for different tasks. Stalingrad is a wonderful rifle, in the top of the best in its class. But it is healthy, and it is in combined arms combat that bolted will be less practical than SVD, microwave, especially in difficult terrain (for example, in a forest).
      Yes, and they will most likely be used by different specialists.
      If we compare the microwave with Smersh and the Counter ... But these products are very expensive, and most importantly, the production capacity will not allow them to equip all snipers.
      Microwave is cheaper, chambered for a standard 7,62 * 54 cartridge, besides, Kalashnikov has huge production capacities, with the appropriate order, they can produce thousands, but I think if you strain and reorient production lines, then tens of thousands of rifles per month, that is, in fact , with a proper state defense order, in a year they can cover all the needs for light rifles in general ...
      Naturally, the most trained specialists will work with Lobaev rifles, as well as Orsis and BespokGan, these are actually our 3 most famous manufacturers of premium rifles, but most will use SVD-M, microwave and Kord / OSV-96, as well as sv-98.
      These are not bad rifles, their characteristics are quite consistent with the capabilities and skills of most shooters. In fact, the main disadvantage of these mass-produced rifles is weak standard sights. If SVD-M, SV-98, SHF, Kord are equipped with top-end Daedalus / Nightforce sights, they will show quite acceptable results. You can’t squeeze much out of PSOs, at least put them on Lobaevsky, at least wherever you want ...
  19. -3
    5 June 2023 11: 10
    Quote: V.
    Imagine that there are no Soviet and Russian weapons abroad, except for Ukraine. What would Ukraine fight now? Yes, there would be arms supplies from the West, but at what price and in what quantities, and it is no secret that they are inferior in reliability to the Soviet ones. That is why the West collects Soviet weapons around the world and gives them to Bandera. soldier

    I once believed in fairy tales about the super-mega-reliability of Soviet weapons and the incredible unreliability of Western ones
  20. -3
    5 June 2023 12: 34
    The rifle received automation based on the removal of powder gases. A short stroke gas piston is used to transfer energy to the bolt carrier. The bolt is equipped with three lugs and locks the barrel by turning.
    /
    Whatever they do, but inside the same Kalash. In fact, there are no advantages over the SVD, the funds are wasted instead of creating truly modern weapons.
    1. 0
      5 June 2023 13: 45
      Quote: also a doctor
      The rifle received automation based on the removal of powder gases. A short stroke gas piston is used to transfer energy to the bolt carrier. The bolt is equipped with three lugs and locks the barrel by turning.
      /
      Whatever they do, but inside the same Kalash. In fact, there are no advantages over the SVD, the funds are wasted instead of creating truly modern weapons.

      Sorry Pavel, but rather not Kalash but SVD. At Kalash, the gas piston goes full speed along with the bolt frame and also the lugs 2. But the SVD has three lugs and a short piston stroke.
      1. 0
        5 June 2023 15: 55
        It does not cancel the main thing: instead of the necessary weapon, rehashing the old one. And as a result, the troops are helpless in front of the enemy, like Syrians with Kalash in front of jihad-mobiles.
        Or, more correctly: to fight without heavy losses with such weapons will not work.
      2. 0
        5 June 2023 18: 54
        The bolt is equipped with three lugs and locks the barrel by turning

        In addition to the removal of gases - Mannlicher 1895
  21. +1
    5 June 2023 13: 04
    This part seemed to me to be G28 for the poor ...
    Sometimes it seems to me that we have both, conditionally, a Marxman and a "classic" sniper in the "sniper" category, and they are trying to file down a universal weapon, which ultimately works through one place in both guises.
    1. 0
      5 June 2023 16: 32
      Quote: Macsen_Wledig
      Sometimes it seems to me that in our category "sniper" they also write down, conditionally, a Marxman and a "classic" sniper

      Sometimes? Yes, in our country they always write down as snipers both MSO / MSV shooters, and snipers of individual units. The term is one. wink
      Quote: Macsen_Wledig
      and they are trying to file down a universal weapon, which ultimately works through one place in both forms.

      It's just that several generations of the military have grown up, for whom the SVD is a sniper rifle, not a DMR. smile
      On the other hand, is a clean sniper needed in a full-fledged combined arms battle? When, instead of a sniper duel with the same sniper on the other side, this very other side can slam a 125-mm OFS from the "best sniper rifle" or an ATGM at the detected position? Or even "sprinkle with chalk" - the same mortar mines?
    2. 0
      5 June 2023 19: 04
      Good afternoon, Maxim!
      Haven't met for a long time.
      Caliber 7.62 and around is not at all for classic sniper shooting. Theoretically, it should be 8.38 - 9.53 mm with a barrel length of about 610 mm.
      Heavy bullet (17 -22 grams) with an energy of about 9 kJ. Then - a confident defeat at 900 - 1000 m. Only this device will have a mass of 8 - 10 kg and a system with a long barrel stroke. You can't ride in an infantry fighting vehicle with him.
      A microwave is consumer goods for good shooters.
  22. +1
    5 June 2023 14: 22
    Quote: nedgen
    MOST sniper rifles (bolt and self-loading) in the world are in 7,62 caliber !!! Yes, the 8.6x70 Lapua magnum is better, but this is a cartridge for shooting at a distance of about a kilometer and beyond. For caliber 7.62, shooting at distances of up to km is normal, or if you're lucky a little further. I agree with you that 7.62x54 is NOT VERY suitable for sniper purposes BUT THE REASON IS NOT IN THE CALIBER OR FENDER!!! The reason is the poor quality of the cartridges themselves. The instability of the quality of cartridges of even one partida. Unequal amount of gunpowder, differences in the weight of the bullets themselves, etc. And you also need to develop a special bullet for sniper shooting and very accurately maintain the parameters during production.


    Lapua Magnum 8.6 is the universally recognized standard for modern sniper rifles. Caliber 7.62 ... serious snipers refuse it. Rifles with this caliber are obsolete, they are used by those who simply cannot afford modern designs. A distance of 1000 meters is considered, according to modern concepts, the minimum distance, snipers work at 1500 meters or more.
    At particularly long distances, a larger caliber is also used.
    In the end, there is also anti-sniping. And with SVD - you will not be a shooter, but a target for a shooter with a more modern and long-range rifle.

    By the way, the best domestic sniper rifles from Lobaev - what calibers do they use?

    The rim is still a problem, for some reason it was not on Western cartridges back in WWII.
    Well, about the low quality of our cartridges - I myself wrote, the dispute is about nothing.
    1. 0
      5 June 2023 15: 26
      "The rim is still a problem, for some reason it was not on Western cartridges back in WWII." The rim is a problem for magazine automatic weapons. This is, firstly, and secondly, the rims were Lebel 8 mm, for example, or British .303.
    2. 0
      6 June 2023 12: 29
      7,62 is outdated due to modern armor ... I have nothing against 338 or 375, but often light, compact semi-automatic rifles can be more effective, in fact, in any difficult terrain with a short viewing range. And rifles will be in demand. And they also need to be modernized.
      Really cool snipers always have several barrels for different tasks ... And yes, now there will also be a greater transition from 338 to 375 in high-precision, 338, on the contrary, will increasingly descend into the troops, including semi-automatic devices for it. Because composite materials are developing very quickly, not yet, but in the next 5 years, armor that holds 7,62 at close range will become GOST.
  23. 0
    5 June 2023 14: 31
    Quote: Alexey RA
    SVD and microwave is what they call DMR over the hill. Squad/platoon marksman's rifle - a "soldier with an oar" working in combat formations of his infantry against important targets in enemy combat formations that are beyond the effective fire range of machine guns - commanders, group weapon crews, etc.
    And ORSIS and Lobaev are just what they call "sniper rifles" over the hill. Weapons of snipers of individual units (level from the brigade and above) for shooting per kilometer and further at piece targets.


    Progress will also consist in the fact that real "sniper rifles" will become available to regular marksmen at the platoon/company level. Yes, while they are difficult to handle and very expensive, but all this is fixable.
    Once upon a time, army snipers used, in fact, ordinary small arms, albeit better made and with optics. Then they developed sniper rifles for the commonly used army caliber. Then - specialized and high-tech rifles for the caliber, sharpened specifically for sniping. trend, however.
    I suspect that in especially advanced Western armies, snipers under "Lapua" are no longer only available to special forces.
    1. -1
      5 June 2023 15: 29
      "! Progress will also consist in "that real" sniper rifles "will become available to regular marksmen at the platoon / company level." "Real" sniper rifles in a platoon are stupidly inconvenient, especially in urban battles, because they are overall, heavy and not quick .
    2. +5
      5 June 2023 16: 42
      Quote: Illanatol
      Progress will also consist in the fact that real "sniper rifles" will become available to regular marksmen at the platoon/company level. Yes, while they are difficult to handle and very expensive, but all this is fixable.

      Why do they need them? Why does a platoon shooter need a super-expensive and super-complex bolter? His job is to work "on the go", on targets that are dangerous for the platoon, in the platoon zone, to a depth of 400-1000 m. gun found. And pointing errors should be compensated for by the rate of fire, since dancing with a tambourine around tenths of an MOA at such distances is not yet particularly needed.
      So self-loading with optics - like all over the world.
      1. 0
        5 June 2023 20: 14
        Quote: Illanatol
        Progress will also consist in the fact that real "sniper rifles" will become available to regular marksmen at the platoon/company level.

        Quote: Alexey RA
        So self-loading with optics - like all over the world.

        Oddly enough, the citizen is partly right. Just the opposite, of course.

        The requirements for an ordinary shooter are growing, the body kit is improving, the cartridges are improving. So any M27 of any marine already allows more than the same SVD. And the MTR, with its credmoor and the desire to increase the range of small arms combat, already in fact have on each rifle those capabilities that only "big" snipers had in the 80s.
    3. +1
      6 June 2023 12: 11
      In fact, SVD and other light self-loading rifles are often used by pros, specialists from army special forces and special forces of other departments, it all depends on the theater of operations, so to speak, it’s one thing to have a nightmare in the field or somewhere on the outskirts of cities where you can have a good view from a high-rise at a considerable distance and another thing is Zelenka, where 2 drgs can collide head-on or be ambushed and the battle will be fought at close range. Yes, and just walking along the crossroads with a hefty trunk, no special forces will pull out there, there will be fatigue and mistakes ... But even in the city, if the distances are insignificant, the same alpha often used svd.
      In the same full-fledged sniper units, there is often a sniper with a bolt gun + a sniper with a semi-automatic gun + a spotter with machine guns, who, in which case, covers the group's retreat.
  24. 0
    5 June 2023 18: 32
    In my opinion, it’s wrong to say and divide weapons into good or bad. There is something that meets the requirements of the TTZ and that does not fully meet them. According to the publications of the microwave oven, it meets these requirements. True, there is one thing, but there are no obvious advantages over the SVD, and even more so before the SVDM is not visible. , this is in caliber 7,62. The rest of the calibers are designed for export, a huge plus for the concern, for the Russian army, in parallel.
  25. 0
    5 June 2023 18: 46
    "In March 2023, by presidential decree ..... A.Yu. Chukavin was awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky." - there's nothing to say - he deserved it! good And the creator of the MPL (PLK) D. Lebedev deserved the award of the Order "For Military Merit". good Against this background, it is not clear why the work of another weapons designer I.A. has not yet been noted. Kozlov. His pistols "Boa", "Aspid" and "Poloz" received excellent user reviews! Therefore, I. Kozlov deserves a high State award! hi
    1. 0
      5 June 2023 19: 10
      Well, how to say, I personally do not understand the principle by which some products become "nominal". Okay, Kalashnikov came up with a new "automatic" scheme, which, in general, can be counted on the fingers. The impression was that this was not the initiative of Chukavin himself (who renounced all possible rights). The country needs heroes...
  26. -1
    5 June 2023 19: 49
    It is very competent that the store is suitable from the SVD, otherwise reviews are needed. In general, I liked the svd (but I have an individual bracket and optics), plus there was no alternative at all until 2005, the first time I shot from a bolt in 2008, then I realized what the difference was. But in the Second World War and from a mosquito they recruited for 100, so it's not just about the rifle. As for me, at a real distance of work, a smaller cartridge is needed.
  27. 0
    5 June 2023 22: 30
    Is ours not good at all? Sniper cartridge 9,3x64 (index 7N33). Why then were they adopted?
    1. 0
      6 June 2023 15: 18
      Is ours not good at all? Sniper cartridge 9,3x64 (index 7N33). Why then were they adopted?

      But because the vaunted rifles of Chukavin and Lobaev are superior to our SVD and SVDK only with special edition imported Amer cartridges ...
    2. 0
      7 June 2023 23: 21
      Did you shoot him? No, I didn’t even see him in the army, and I didn’t see a weapon for him. With svd, I shot with a sniper cartridge, it’s really possible to hit them up to 500 m
  28. -1
    6 June 2023 08: 59
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Why do they need them? Why does a platoon shooter need a super-expensive and super-complex bolter? His job is to work "on the go", on targets that are dangerous for the platoon, in the platoon zone, to a depth of 400-1000 m. gun found. And pointing errors should be compensated for by the rate of fire, since dancing with a tambourine around tenths of an MOA at such distances is not yet particularly needed.


    The cost will fall, the concept of "supercomplexity" is also vague. Have there been times when reflex sights seemed super complicated and too expensive? Now they are quite massively used, however.
    And who told you that the "danger for the platoon" distance is a constant value and will not grow?
    It will be - and how. Actually, the entire progress in the development of small arms was accompanied by an increase in such a distance, they fired from arquebuses and fuses at two hundred steps, no more.
    Therefore, the distance available for defeat by army "Marksmen" should also increase. Otherwise, they will find themselves in a position similar to our ancestors from the time of the Crimean, who had to fight with a smoothbore against rifled fittings.
    PMCs will set the tone for future campaigns. This conflict will only spur progress in the given direction. And the warriors from PMCs do not prefer pop cheap stuff in the shooting range, but the most effective samples, the high price does not stop them (their carcass is still valued more expensive anyway).
    Accurate measurements, etc. - automation and computerization to help. The SLA in tanks is also not what it was 50-60 years old, so there will be progress here too. Small consolation will be for the shooter that his barrel was simpler and cheaper if he caught a bullet in the skull first. And the rate of fire here is unlikely to help.
    1. +1
      6 June 2023 10: 22
      Quote: Illanatol
      And who told you that the "danger for the platoon" distance is a constant value and will not grow?
      It will be - and how. Actually, the entire progress in the development of small arms was accompanied by an increase in such a distance, they fired from arquebuses and fuses at two hundred steps, no more.
      Therefore, the distance available for defeat by army "Marksmen" should also increase. Otherwise, they will find themselves in a position similar to our ancestors from the time of the Crimean, who had to fight with a smoothbore against rifled fittings.

      But because there is nothing to come to a shootout with knives. On targets beyond the firing range of the riflemen, target designation should be given to heavy systems - infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, supporting artillery.
      Although yes, interaction requires communication, and the Red Army is strong, but communication will destroy it. Even if the infantry has a problem contacting the attached tank ...
  29. -1
    6 June 2023 09: 02
    Quote from Old Metal
    "Real" sniper rifles in a platoon are stupidly inconvenient, especially in urban battles, because they are overall, heavy and slow-firing.


    The Lobaev rifle under the paw is quite convenient and not so heavy. In terms of ergonomics - better than SVD, however.
    1. 0
      6 June 2023 11: 30
      Well, SVD has problems not with ergonomics. Lobaev rifles are good, but heavy. For an accurate shot, this is good, in order to run on the front end - no.
  30. 0
    6 June 2023 11: 27
    Well, it will certainly replace the old SVD. On the plus side, it kept the weight of the product low. But with SVD-M, I think it will exist in parallel for many years.
    Actually, the SVD had 2 main drawbacks - the lack of bipods and the inability to put a good imported sight, and its good dovetail sights were short-lived (and the PSO is still rather weak, even from the SVD it does not allow you to squeeze the maximum at long distances), plus a thermal imaging nozzle not put ... In SVD-M, these questions are removed, you can put any sight on the rail, there is a folding butt and regular bipods ...
    But in the army there are tens of thousands of old SVDs that need to be replaced with microwaves.
    Of the pluses, this is that the heavy version was made under .338, and not under the very dumb 9,3 * 64, like in SVDK. Yes, he makes holes in the armor, but his ballistics are like those of a brick ...
    1. +1
      6 June 2023 13: 43
      Another thing is interesting, in the presence of SVDM, why do we need a microwave? Report to the top that they supposedly fussed and designed a new one, albeit not superior in terms of performance characteristics, but new? The idea is not bad and it came true. A similar situation with the AK-12, it seems not new, but not old either.
  31. -1
    6 June 2023 14: 27
    Quote: Georgy Sviridov_2
    Lobaev rifles are good, but heavy. For an accurate shot, this is good, in order to run on the front end - no.


    Characteristics of TSVL-8:

    The muzzle velocity of the .338 Lapua Magnum bullet is 900 m/s.
    The maximum range of effective fire is 1400 m.
    Technical accuracy - 0,4 MOA.
    TSVL-8 can be equipped with barrels 740 or 680 mm long. The total length of the rifle is 1290 mm. The weapon is equipped with a folding butt, which allows you to reduce the length to 1016 mm.
    The total weight is 5,5 kg.
    The barrel can be fitted with a T-Tuner muzzle brake.
    Ammunition is produced from a detachable box-type magazine for 5 rounds.

    Source: https://militaryarms.ru/oruzhie/vintovki/lobaeva

    Weight 5.5 kg - too heavy? Well I do not know. That army snipers make marches of 30 km on their own two? And it is quite possible for a normal man (who is able to cast a shadow) to run on the front end with such a load. I understand that extra pounds also matter, but is it really so critical?
    1. 0
      6 June 2023 16: 38
      No, it’s not critical, and you can get used to such a weight. Lobaev’s sniper rifles, simple as a loaf of 12 kopecks, but executed exceptionally carefully and the cartridge is suitable for a range of 1400 meters. But not what is needed for a battle at 300 -600 meters, they lose in rate of fire, in length (without a bayonet) even to Mosin.
    2. 0
      22 June 2023 02: 26
      Weight 5,5 is without everything. Sight, magazine, ammo. Already over 7 kg will pass. So besides the rifle, you still need to carry a bunch of everything with you ...
      But in reality there will be such a pair, one with a bolt, whether it be Sv-98 or T-5000 or TSVL-8, and the second with a self-loading rifle, such as SVD, microwave or the same Lobaev Counter. That's the most efficient way.
  32. -1
    6 June 2023 14: 34
    Quote: Alexey RA
    But because there is nothing to come to a shootout with knives. On targets beyond the firing range of the riflemen, target designation should be given to heavy systems - infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, supporting artillery.
    Although yes, interaction requires communication, and the Red Army is strong, but communication will destroy it. Even if the infantry has a problem contacting the attached tank ...


    Which may not be at the right time in the right place.
    By the way, they forgot about aviation. A little something - call helicopters, let them work.
    And hitting with artillery at small DRGs or snipers of adversaries, for example, may turn out to be too costly a solution.
    Still, I wanted our units to be able to solve such problems themselves. With the proper equipment for this. Especially if the enemy will have a similar one.
    1. 0
      12 June 2023 19: 38
      Exactly. Hit with artillery on the DRG. But hitting with adjustment and guided projectiles ...
  33. 0
    6 June 2023 23: 57
    SVD in body kit gives the same performance. What's the point of making a new rifle? Range 1000-1200 for self-loading ???))) Are you serious?)))
  34. 0
    7 June 2023 08: 54
    Quote: Uncle_Misha
    No, it’s not critical, and you can get used to such a weight. Lobaev’s sniper rifles, simple as a loaf of 12 kopecks, but executed exceptionally carefully and the cartridge is suitable for a range of 1400 meters. But not what is needed for a battle at 300 -600 meters, they lose in rate of fire, in length (without a bayonet) even to Mosin.


    Well, sorry. A tool for a professional is rarely universal. For combat at medium distances, of course, you need a different weapon. But after all, an army sniper alone (or in pairs) does not work. As if in a platoon. So let the comrades who have the same AKs (preferably with a collimator) cover it, still a valuable shot.
    And in the conditions of urban combat, why is the VSK-94 / Vintorez bad? And is it possible to improve this sample? Still a Soviet development.
    And finally. A microwave may be a good barrel (especially under an imported cartridge), but, in my opinion, an amateur, he was at least 20 years late. In the early 2000s, I would also be with both hands for its implementation. But in our time, if you change the army sniper rifle, then for something more radically new and more advanced.
    However, it would be right if the decision was made by those who are destined to use such weapons - the most correct approach. I wonder what the Wagner fighters prefer (prefer) ...
    1. 0
      7 June 2023 17: 52
      You yourself have answered. SVD, microwave weapon for a line shooter, any is good for a sniper, including VSK-94. which meets his tasks at the moment. The pro has a choice, there is no linear shooter. The SVD meets the requirements of modern combat, some improvements may have been needed, which is done in the SVD. I read the sites of those who really fought with the SVD, no complaints.
  35. 0
    12 June 2023 08: 44
    Still, they would start producing the .338 cartridge in Russia, and not at Lobachev for 2000 rubles per piece, but in our conditions it is more optimal to cut down the microwave at 9,3x64 mm, but the cartridge needs to be modernized, and the Pechenegs should be remade on them, that would be a platoon machine gun soldier
    1. 0
      10 August 2023 19: 31
      Ndia. However, a specialist))) Do you even know the word ballistics?
  36. 0
    12 June 2023 19: 37
    Rogozin amused his vanity with combat robots, Putin with a microwave rifle. There has been no result, and there never will be. That's not what they're doing, comrades.
  37. 0
    12 June 2023 19: 42
    Another microwave advertisement in VV. This or similar has already been published two or three times.
  38. -1
    26 July 2023 21: 59
    And why is the adopted microwave 7,62 * 54 better than the old woman SVD in a modern body kit?
    If we compare their combat characteristics, it turns out that almost nothing.
    Why stubbornly do not establish the production of microwaves under a more powerful and long-range cartridge. 338 Lapua Magnum, God only knows, it seems that the "businessmen from the Moscow Region" deliberately deprive our military of the opportunity to get the most advanced sniper weapons.
  39. 0
    27 July 2023 11: 23
    I wonder if there are comparative data on the operation of SVD and microwave under various conditions. How much is the microwave superior to its competitor as a percentage? What is the cumulative superiority and is it more than 30 percent? And if not, why change one sample to another? Or is the grandmother sawing again?
  40. -1
    3 August 2023 16: 19
    A.Yu. Chukavin was awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky

    The rifle has not yet been accepted into service, and one of the highest orders of the country has already been awarded. laughing
  41. 0
    10 August 2023 19: 28
    The key word is "generally satisfied". A decent G, like AK12, which already has a third modification in 6 years and is clearly not the last one. to make him friends with the GP did not work.