I'm choking on the sky, but I'm wondering why I don't fly on the Falcon?

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I'm choking on the sky, but I'm wondering why I don't fly on the Falcon?

Indeed, the topic does not subside in any way, because it has a certain number of misunderstandings. A lot of the media pay their attention to it, however, referring to who to what: to secret sources, to sources that remained unnamed, to sources close to those who are in the know, and so on. That is - there is just a fierce gag that is not justified by anything.

Considering the issue, I got acquainted with so many opinions and conjectures that the mind began to go beyond the mind. It got to the point that I read in one Russian media how the United States does not want to hand over the planes, because the Ukrainians will break and ruin everything.



Considering that the Sokol costs from 45 to 55 million dollars, depending on the modification, and, say, the Leopard tank of the 2A6 modification “weighs” 6,8 million dollars, the fears seem to be justified.

But let's turn to stories. Moreover, recent.

What was said about Highmars?
What did they say about SAU?
Javelin?
What heated debates were going on around the Leopards?
"Patriot"?
And so on, the list is pretty decent. And in the end, what? All transferred.

So the question is not whether the F-16 will be given or not, but when and at whose expense. And there is no doubt that Kyiv will receive these planes.

And the most recent news this was confirmed: first, the United States graciously allowed the European coalition to train pilots, and then the issue of transferring the aircraft will be slowly resolved. While third countries, but ...

It was no longer a “source” who spoke about this, but quite a national security adviser to the American president, Jake Sullivan.


True, here a skunk was launched into the cage with the Falcons: Sullivan said that the F-16s were not needed at all for the upcoming counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and therefore the allies would “strengthen its Air Force as part of a long-term commitment to the self-defense of Ukraine”, but ... The key word here is “ long-term".

It is understandable. Unlike the same tanks and self-propelled guns, not to mention the disposable Stingers and Javelins, the aircraft is a very complex design. We have already talked about this, that it takes three months to train a tank driver. Six months - and it will be a chic driver capable of leading a tank through hell. With a pilot, not only will this not work out, but he also needs a technician, a gunsmith, an electronics engineer, and so on according to the list of complex and really high-precision aircraft equipment.


So the transition of the F-16 from the “aircraft” state to the “litak” state is really a complex issue and not a one-day one. And money. Money must also be counted, because it will have to be spent long before the first Sokol takes to the skies of Ukraine.

And what will they have to spend on, and even in such quantities? In which - we do not specify yet, this is a great secret (quite logically), but what - you can understand.

The very leaked report of the American military department says that the minimum time that will have to be spent on retraining Ukrainian pilots on the F-16 is four months.

Very optimistic, so I agree with those who say that it's like the cards will fall and the brains will tune in. But what is said is said: at least four months, the maximum was not announced. That's why we dance.

The graphs are not taken from the ceiling, they are the result of work to study the capabilities of Ukrainian pilots. Yahoo News last year reported on a Basic Pilot Assessment (BPA) conducted by US Air Force experts on a pair of Ukrainian pilots this spring. It is difficult to say how the channel employees got a copy of the document, but some of it could be understood.

The Ukrainian pilots who took part in the BPA are not named, but are identified in the report as a Su-27 pilot with the rank of captain and major, mostly flying MiG-29s. The assessment was conducted by instructors from the 162nd Wing of the National Guard, which is based at the Air Force Base in Arizona. The tests were carried out not in the sky, but on the ground, using regular simulators from February 27 to March 10 this year.


Four unnamed flight instructors from the 162nd Wing—three majors and a lieutenant colonel—watched the simulator sessions and provided their feedback. To give an idea of ​​the qualifications of these people, the least experienced of them was a Major with four years of experience in the FTU flight training unit (a flying school where pilots are “polished” for combat use after the ITT primary flight school) and 1 hours of flying F-500 personally, according to the report. The lieutenant colonel had the most experience: over six years with the FTU and 16 hours of F-2 flight time.

According to the report, BPA had the following three main goals:
- observation of Ukrainian pilots in order to establish a basic assessment of skills and determine the possibility of training on western 4th generation fighters;
- development of a specialized training program to determine the exact terms of training for the transition to the western fighter Aviation;
- assessment of the level of knowledge of the English language by Ukrainian pilots.

After an evaluation that consisted of nine separate simulator events lasting 11 and a half hours, the F-16 flight instructors concluded that the two Ukrainians had shown above-average skill progression. Pilots could perform mock attacks based on parameters passed in while flying the simulator. Also, the Ukrainians demonstrated the skills of flying at low altitudes and also at the “above average” level.

The report concludes that "Given the skill set demonstrated by the Ukrainian Air Force pilots and the requirement to develop a specialized training program focused only on the minimum required tasks, a period of approximately 4 months is a realistic training schedule." This training process is broken down into approximately eight weeks of transition training, two additional weeks of low-altitude flight training, and then approximately three weeks of air combat training.

Only three weeks for combat training in the air seems really not enough. Either this is a compliment to the training of Ukrainian pilots, or a real desire to save on the resource of aircraft.


According to the report, the air phase of the exercise will focus on intercepting one or two mock enemy aircraft within line of sight using one missile with radar seeker and one missile with infrared seeker. The types of missiles in question are not specified, but the AIM-120 AMRAAM and AIM-9 Sidewinder variants are the standard radar and infrared homing types carried by USAF F-16s.


The Ukrainian armed forces have actually already received the AIM-120, but for ground use as part of the NASAMS anti-aircraft missile system.

The same report indicated that the US military was seriously considering whether AMRAAM could be integrated into the weapons control systems of Soviet-designed Ukrainian fighter jets. However, it turned out that the implementation of such a possibility is associated with significant technical problems.

In general, a four-month training can give Ukrainian pilots the necessary level of knowledge to perform combat missions. That's what the summary of the report said.

They're cunning!

The Americans have such a thing as the Current Training Task List (TTL), on the basis of which the development of training programs for flight personnel is carried out. This list contains 250 tasks to study and demonstrate an understanding of their solutions. And only then the pilot receives the Mission Qualification Training (MQT) level. This is when a pilot is considered a pilot capable of carrying out a combat mission, the 162nd Wing report explains.

So, for Ukrainian pilots, the list of TTL tasks is planned to be reduced to about 160 tasks. It is clear that not beginners will be trained, but in reducing the list of tasks that a Ukrainian pilot may face while flying the Sokol, it can lead to unpredictable consequences in the future.

However, it is difficult to have something against such an alignment.

And what can be thrown out of the flight crew training program so that it is really possible to train 12-14 promised pilots per year?

1. Eliminate specific training in US instrument approach procedures. Logically, dragging airfield equipment to Ukraine and installing it there is not an easy task.

2. Basic Fighter Maneuvers (BFM), Air Combat Maneuvering (ACM). It looks doubtful. Yes, the Ukrainians have not just experience in such maneuvering, but combat experience, but on other aircraft.

3. Aerial Refueling (AAR). Here everything is clear. The Ukrainian Air Force does not have air tankers, and there is no point in such operations.

4. Close Air Support (CAS) and Basic Ground Attack (BSA). It’s also strange, however, not being an expert in American pilot training systems, I don’t presume to discuss this. They do not consider it necessary to teach - so there is a reason.

In general, it is not entirely clear what consequences the omission of other elements of training might lead to, and one would think that some of these elements would be useful for Ukrainian pilots. The question of what it would take for a minimally trained F-16 pilot to still be a combat pilot relevant in Ukraine still remains. However, some experts specify that over time, some of these additional modules can be added to the curriculum.

The more experienced Ukrainian fighter pilots already have their own skill sets that could be "translated" to fly the F-16. The instructors noted that this was demonstrated in simulation sessions, when Ukrainian pilots repeatedly returned to using Soviet standard flight procedures, rather than the American ones explained to them by American instructors. Well spelled out in memory of the Soviet aviation school, you can’t say anything. However, there is no indication in the BPA report that this caused any significant problems.

The BPA report highlights that the lack of English language skills is a problem, especially when it comes to the fact that Ukrainian pilots must be able to read instruments and displays quickly and clearly. The level of English proficiency of the Ukrainian pilots is unclear, as is how much of the assessment could have been done with the help of interpreters. That is, each student will have to be approached individually, which will affect the speed of learning.

The conclusions of BPA are very cautious. This is understandable, pilots are piece goods. An airplane is not a tank, everything is much more complicated with it. Therefore, it is impossible to take an assessment made on the basis of tests of two Ukrainian pilots as a general one.

Of course, the fact that the Ukrainians sat down at the simulators without prior training (instruction on where everything is not counted) and showed acceptable results really shows that these two pilots in particular have a very good school behind them.


What will happen next is very difficult to predict. It is clear that individual training will be required, plus it all depends on the level of English proficiency. But this is already a headache for the allies.

In any case, pilots will have to be trained. The pressure exerted on the United States by the same Great Britain will undoubtedly lead to success. And what, having “pushed” the Germans through the Leopards, the British took up the USA, and you can be calm: they will press the Americans first to get permission for training, then permission to transfer aircraft. More precisely, they have already squeezed out, the matter remains small.

The coolest thing is that the UK does NOT have its own F-16s!

And here there will be the same scheme as with the "Leopards" - there are no our own, but we will shake them out of the whole district. And there will be those who want to! As they changed the Soviet T-72s for the same Bradleys and Leopards, so they replace the F-16s with something more interesting like the F-35. With a surcharge.

NATO-style trade-in in action.

British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace:
“This summer, we will begin the initial phase of flights for groups of Ukrainian pilots so that they undergo basic training. This will adapt the program used by British pilots to provide Ukrainians with piloting skills that they can apply to different types of aircraft. This training goes hand in hand with the UK's efforts to work with other countries to provide F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine."

Applause. There are no F-16s, in the UK flight training centers they don’t teach flights on Sokols, but the UK will do everything so that Ukraine trains pilots and receives aircraft.

This is probably the best thing you can think of in terms of diplomacy and economics, and here the British can be proud of their specialists. “We plowed for the good of Ukraine,” but the Americans and Europeans will teach, who will supply the aircraft is also not clear yet, but obviously not the UK, which does not have them.

The United States, oddly enough, is not eager to send its F-16s to Ukraine. At least at the level of officials who made the relevant statements. The emphasis was on the supply of more essential anti-missile and air defense systems.

Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary Sabrina Singh:
“Our priority is to provide Ukraine with the air defense systems it needs, as well as other important positions, which include armored vehicles and artillery. That's what we've been focusing on in our packages, but... when it comes to the F-16, I just don't have anything new to announce today."

At the same time, permission has been granted to the countries that have operated the F-16. Can be transferred. But in general, if you look at how the level of supplies of military equipment to Ukraine grew with the beginning of the NMD, then the evolution is obvious. They also denied the Abrams and Patrits, but they didn’t go anywhere, they put them on.

But again, the question of price. Which includes, among other things, how these millions and billions will be spent. A vivid illustration is the recent example of the Patriots, whose volley was sent into the white light, like a penny, and then the fallen rockets were collected all over Kyiv.

American caution is understandable. But the pressure from the Ukrainians and the British will not decrease, but quite the contrary, it will only grow. But in any case, giving the most positive statements, in the most favorable scenario, there is a very big doubt that this year Ukraine will receive the coveted aircraft.


More precisely, the aircraft, perhaps, will receive it. But the training of pilots, even in a stream, is at least 6 months. Depending on the level of knowledge of the language. For example, yes, the Belgians have expressed a desire to teach. But if anything: Belgium has THREE official languages: German, French and Dutch/Dutch. And how about this?

And at the same time as the pilots, it will be necessary, as I said earlier, to train engineers and technicians, hydraulics, engine engineers, instrumentation specialists, gunsmiths, electronics engineers, and so on. And there hasn't been a word about it at all. A plane is not a tank, it needs care every day.

So the lyrics of Dmytro Gnatyuk's song, it very well illustrates the essence of what is happening:

I marvel at the sky, I guess that thought:
Why do not I sokol, Why do not I pour,
Why don't you give me a chicken, God? -
I would have left the earth, I would have zlіtav into the sky!

So it turns out that the Falcon could have taken off into the sky of Ukraine, and “would have visited the dark horns”, but ... The gods who decide this issue are not in a hurry to go anywhere yet. Because this is not an easy and expensive business - wings for the Falcon.

But to be honest: of course, sooner or later (it’s clear that it’s too late), but Ukraine will have F-16s. As well as everything that was given before. The question is, indeed, purely in time. And we will see how the Ukrainians will be able to implement all this in a year and a half.
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  1. +1
    22 May 2023 03: 46
    Stage 5 Acceptance. Planes, of course, they will give, but it's not bad. We ourselves are not against, rather, even for.
  2. +14
    22 May 2023 04: 03
    Arizona instructors from Tucson are experienced guys - they specialize in retraining foreigners. Standard retraining takes a year. Circumcision up to four months - well, the result will be the same. I hope no one gives them time.
    1. -10
      22 May 2023 04: 51
      to spend on the retraining of Ukrainian pilots on the F-16 is four months.
      Litaki have taken increased social obligations and will learn in two months! wink
      1. +2
        22 May 2023 06: 04
        And we will see how the Ukrainians will be able to implement all this in a year and a half.

        Yes, just like the Balts, with all their Russophobic-evil nature and servility to the Anglo-Saxons.
        The sooner we understand that the current Ukraine for Russia is a cut piece, the sooner we will start doing everything right.
        1. -10
          22 May 2023 10: 48
          In a year or a year and a half, Americans may not be at all up to Ukraine.
        2. -1
          22 May 2023 12: 26
          Quote: Terenin
          the current Ukraine for Russia is a cut piece, then we will quickly start doing everything right.
          hi Country 404 in its modern form should cease to exist altogether: listen to the statement of its "leaders" and those watching - why does Russia need this permanent rank. Like a lost girl: wash, change clothes and go to a monastery .... A монастырь can be organized differently recourse
    2. +7
      22 May 2023 08: 39
      But to be honest: of course, sooner or later (it’s clear that it’s too late), but Ukraine will have F-16s.

      This is the only thing that needs to be taken into account and already think about measures to counteract this. The rest of the article, well, it's ... "blah blah" ....
      1. +14
        22 May 2023 09: 26
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        But to be honest: of course, sooner or later (it’s clear that it’s too late), but Ukraine will have F-16s.

        This is the only thing that needs to be taken into account and already think about measures to counteract this. The rest of the article, well, it's ... "blah blah" ....

        A little tired of these underestimations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and their allies (who are more pleased - curators), coupled with reasoning in the spirit of “they won’t give, or they will give but little, or they won’t train normally” ... you need to understand one thing - they are good at analyzing the situation ... not a single one the supply was not useless... they give exactly as much as they need and teach exactly what is really needed... the supplies hit exactly those weak points that we have... We need to think about how to minimize these risks and solve the problem with weak points, and not what level of training the Ukrainians will have… they certainly won’t miss their chance…
        1. -2
          22 May 2023 10: 43
          Quote: parma
          They won't miss their chance...

          And along with the F-16, both ground and flight personnel will be supplied.
          1. +8
            22 May 2023 11: 28
            Quote: IL-18
            Quote: parma
            They won't miss their chance...

            And along with the F-16, both ground and flight personnel will be supplied.

            What difference does it make to us whether they put / do not put staff? Well, except for inflated conceit, it’s more pleasant that “white people” tumble in to us, and not “these” ... the very fact of delivery will give the Armed Forces the opportunity to better respond to our strikes (I think everyone remembers 4 sides shot down in 20 minutes), and more often apply your ... the rest is trifles ...
    3. 0
      29 May 2023 15: 49
      give five years in 3 years wassat wow this is a short comment.
  3. +6
    22 May 2023 04: 18
    In general, who said that the pilots would be Ukrainian. The training of pilots is a screen, especially since the most prepared were shot down, "retirees" from NATO countries will sit at the controls, as well as the calculations of the Patriot air defense system.
    Here, perhaps, the question is not in airplanes, they would have been handed over long ago, but in airfields and in maintenance.
    1. -4
      22 May 2023 05: 40
      Quote: Havoc
      In general, who said that the pilots would be Ukrainian. Pilot training is a front

      "Gone on vacation" NATO pilots and mercenaries will be the bulk of the pilots on the "Ukrainian" flyers.
      An interesting situation is when the plane is shtatovsky, the pilot too, but the war is not waged by the United States, but by Ukraine. Maybe it's time for the United States to name the true participant in the war?
      1. +9
        22 May 2023 08: 49
        Quote: carpenter
        Maybe it's time for the United States to name the true participant in the war?

        What hasn't been called yet?

        Well, name it. And what?
      2. NKT
        +11
        22 May 2023 10: 00
        An interesting situation is when the plane is shtatovsky, the pilot too, but the war is not waged by the United States, but by Ukraine. Maybe it's time for the United States to name the true participant in the war?

        Why is the situation interesting? On the contrary, a typical situation. So the USSR acted in Korea and Vietnam.
        1. -2
          22 May 2023 16: 58
          In Vietnam, Soviet pilots did not fly into battle. One battle between a Soviet pilot and an American was recorded. Ours in an unarmed twin MiG-21 with a Vietnamese cadet, an American - on an F-4. They flew until the MiG ran out of kerosene. Ours catapulted. The American did not finish.
      3. -5
        22 May 2023 13: 18
        What's interesting? Already was. You were shot down by our pilot Li Si Tsyn (c)
    2. +1
      22 May 2023 14: 38
      There are airfields and services in Poland and Romania. And you can sit down without service at any airfield in Ukraine.
  4. -3
    22 May 2023 04: 43
    How many F-16s are in service? Approximately 5000. So if we fight with NATO, this will be the main air enemy against us. Deliveries of F-16s to Ukraine will allow us to test the tactics of combating them.
    In addition to Ukrainian pilots, the delivered aircraft will also be used by American and other Western pilots. This will also help to find out the strengths and weaknesses of the pilots.
    General Kharchevsky with his wingman did not lose a single training battle with the Americans. I think he brought up a lot of good air fighters. soldier
    1. +18
      22 May 2023 08: 19
      Quote: V.
      How many F-16s are in service? Approximately 5000. So if we fight with NATO, this will be the main air enemy against us. Deliveries of F-16s to Ukraine will allow us to test the tactics of combating them.
      In addition to Ukrainian pilots, the delivered aircraft will also be used by American and other Western pilots. This will also help to find out the strengths and weaknesses of the pilots.
      General Kharchevsky with his wingman did not lose a single training battle with the Americans. I think he brought up a lot of good air fighters. soldier

      Well, what kind of war with NATO, we are somehow not very successful at war with Ukraine. The power of our army, including the Air Force, turned out to be greatly exaggerated. They only have 5000 F-16s, and also F-15s, F-35s, Tornados, but we don’t have 1000 and they fly reluctantly, the fight against Ukrainian air defense has not been won, and what methods have we worked out: fly low and close? I think we may not find methods against NATO aviation either. They have more stealth than we have planes. And the pilot must have an aircraft with decent electronics and a weapons system, otherwise no piloting technique will help him.
      1. -5
        22 May 2023 17: 02
        How did you not notice that a limited continent is fighting? And NATO has been supplying the enemy for a long time too.
      2. -2
        23 May 2023 04: 25
        Zarembe I.Yu. You correctly described everything about our and NATO aviation. NATO considers us (like Hitler in his time) to be a colossus with feet of clay. This is what will inspire NATO to start a full-blooded war against us. They will also start it on June 22. And we still do not believe (like Stalin) that it will be.
        And we don’t even have good troops from the Belgorod region to Moscow. It's only 500-600 km in a straight line. soldier
    2. +7
      22 May 2023 08: 47
      Quote: V.
      How many F-16s are in service? Approximately 5000. So if we fight with NATO, this will be the main air enemy against us. Deliveries of F-16s to Ukraine will allow us to test the tactics of combating them.

      ))
      No, it doesn't work that way.

      In the event of a conflict with NATO countries, the removal of the Air Force and Air Defense will be handled by penguins under AWACS. F-16s will work in a second wave, in a relatively clear sky, on the ground. This tactic is 40 years old.

      In addition, what kind of conflict is there with NATO aircraft? There was recently an arrow here, to which NATO aircraft did not arrive. Did you follow?
  5. -1
    22 May 2023 05: 39
    A pilot is a pilot. If self-taught people fly also on a "civilian" .... Long live Russian Railways! Although even there in 5 years they will be allowed to manage.
  6. +11
    22 May 2023 05: 40
    I marvel at the sky, I guess that thought:
    - a song to the words of the Ukrainian romantic poet Mikhail Nikolaevich Petrenko (1817-1862). One of the first two songs performed in space - August 12, 1962 on board the Soviet spacecraft "Vostok-4" by Soviet cosmonauts Pavel Popovich and Adrian Nikolaev
    1. -6
      22 May 2023 07: 28
      Interestingly, Mikhail Nikolaevich Petrenko, who died in 1862 (6 years after the end of the "Crimean" war) knew that he was a "Ukrainian" romantic poet?
      1. +7
        22 May 2023 17: 09
        It's not about citizenship, but about nationality. He wrote poetry not in Russian.
  7. +7
    22 May 2023 05: 55
    But in any case, giving the most positive statements, in the most favorable scenario, there is a very big doubt that this year Ukraine will receive the coveted aircraft.

    Oh, if only everything was so "beautiful".
    There is also information that a group of cadets of the Kharkov Flight School is already being trained for Western-style aircraft ... in secret, without advertising. But this is their usual practice.
    So that in the sky of Ukraine we can see not only Sokolov, but also Orlov with a trident on their keels
    1. -5
      22 May 2023 06: 16
      Orlov" with a trident on keels

      Better with feathers in w ... In general, where the hole is under the keel.
  8. -3
    22 May 2023 06: 08
    Yes, by the way, it’s also a topic ... After the US left Iraq, there was Shkandal, they say, the F-16s delivered to Iraq for a lot of money turned out to be rusty tin cans, where is the money, Zin? If they passed as combat-ready and fairly new ... So the Americans did not find anything better than to fight off that the fighters were tip-top, the mechanics were all hand-assed. But this caused even more ales - waving, you taught them all in the USA, graduated according to US standards, and where did the money go for education then ?!
    The point here, in relation to Ukraine, is that the United States itself says that if it is even possible to train a flyer, which is not a fact (mechanics are impossible) ... Then with Ukrainian mechanics trained in the USA, it will no longer work, 2-3 sorties, and The falcon will turn into a pumpkin ... Not my words - all questions to the Pentagon, they explained it this way
    1. +2
      22 May 2023 11: 24
      nonsense question with mechanics, but I know where you can get a whole bunch of qualified mechanics and gunsmiths with Ukrainian citizenship, and a considerable part of them can agree to participate
  9. -4
    22 May 2023 06: 09
    is it possible to integrate AMRAAM into the weapons control systems of Ukrainian Soviet-designed fighters

    I’ll integrate it for you, you don’t drag a single cable from the pylon to the fuselage, not to drag extra wire, and even if you drag it, we have everything different from the voltage of the on-board network to connectors. Stick your AMRAAM... up your nozzle, dreamers [censored].

    PS Already twitches at the mere thought that someone's sweaty fingers will touch our native systems [censorship] [censorship] [censorship] ...
    1. Eug
      +7
      22 May 2023 07: 04
      Nevertheless, HARMs somehow adapted ...
    2. +5
      22 May 2023 09: 31
      I’ll integrate it for you, you don’t drag a single cable from the pylon to the fuselage, not to drag extra wire, and even if you drag it, we have everything different from the voltage of the on-board network to connectors. Stick your AMRAAM... up your nozzle, dreamers [censored].

      PS Already twitches at the mere thought that someone's sweaty fingers will paw our native systems


      Don't talk nonsense. There are no problems to extend an additional harness, replace the old one, or simply use the existing one (which is the easiest).
      As for on-board networks, they are standard.
      1. -1
        22 May 2023 10: 24
        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
        No problems

        There are two options. It is enough for the CD to ensure the exit from the guides, then it flies by itself along the coordinates laid down on the ground. It is not difficult. But with the V-V missile, integration with aircraft systems is needed, with the AIM-120, in general, a two-way exchange on some modifications. This is difficult, perhaps unsolvable at all on the old Soviet materiel.
        1. +1
          22 May 2023 18: 54
          There are two options. It is enough for the CD to ensure the exit from the guides, then it flies by itself along the coordinates laid down on the ground. It is not difficult. But with the V-V missile, integration with aircraft systems is needed, with the AIM-120, in general, a two-way exchange on some modifications. This is difficult, perhaps unsolvable at all on the old Soviet materiel.


          V-V missiles are a whole family, starting from the simplest with IR seeker.
          As for the Soviet materiel, everything is decided. Just replacing the hardware.
          1. 0
            23 May 2023 08: 08
            Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
            everything is resolved. Just replacing the hardware.

            The Poles played with it. In the end, the entire aircraft was replaced.
            Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
            V-V missiles are a whole family, starting from the simplest with IR seeker.

            Does the missile capture the target directly on the pylon, without the participation of the aircraft's avionics? Yes, this is how the same sideways work on UAVs.

            But I meant regular use with maximum efficiency.
            1. -1
              23 May 2023 11: 15
              The Poles played with it. In the end, the entire aircraft was replaced.


              The Poles were looking for an excuse to replace Soviet aircraft with American ones.

              Does the missile capture the target directly on the pylon, without the participation of the aircraft's avionics? Yes, this is how the same sideways work on UAVs.


              Practically yes, the avionics only provides assistance, and even then not always. And besides it, there is also AO and weapons with their own electronics.
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  10. Eug
    +2
    22 May 2023 06: 19
    As for me, instrument scales (or digital indicators) will be calibrated to the metric system familiar to pilots, moreover, often the pilot sees not so much specific readings as the sector of the scale in which the instrument pointer is located (if they are pointer). As for the delivery itself, it is probably designed primarily for the "post-war" period, because the allies and sponsors of Ukraine are sure that it will be preserved, the only question is within what boundaries.
    1. -3
      22 May 2023 06: 47
      will be calibrated to the metric system familiar to pilots

      There is a more interesting ambush there, let them fly this F-16 with a direct attitude indicator. This will be a circus with retraining of the flight crew.
      1. Eug
        +2
        22 May 2023 07: 08
        Yes, "direct" and "reverse" indication can greatly complicate the process. But RPKB makes AGD with both types of indication, I think amers too. If even before that the Falcons (this is how the emphasis is placed in one Ukrainian song) were with a "reverse" indication of AGD, then they will be put on.
        1. 0
          22 May 2023 07: 36
          It's strange, why didn't the Yankees put a "reverse" indication on civilian Boeings for the countries of Eastern Europe? You can "think" anything, but a pilot, especially a military pilot, has no time to think about "indication". Yes, and replace, it's not just a "picture on the display" to change.
      2. +1
        22 May 2023 09: 35

        There is a more interesting ambush there, let them fly this F-16 with a direct attitude indicator. This will be a circus with retraining of the flight crew.


        Well? And then we have a single standard, I personally had to deal with direct, reverse and combined indication.
        And what was it like on the MiG-15 with it upside down? It is believed that this is what killed Gagarin.

    2. +3
      22 May 2023 11: 04
      Quote: Eug
      As for the delivery itself, it is probably designed primarily for the "post-war" period

      Last year they said yes, it is.

      But now it is no longer a fact.
  11. -16
    22 May 2023 06: 28
    And we will see how the Ukrainians will be able to implement all this in a year and a half.

    There will be no Ukraine in a year and a half!!! And what they put F 16 - don’t go to the fortuneteller, and they will have time to realize, in the sense of stealing and selling, before that.
  12. +16
    22 May 2023 06: 31
    Heroes are in the comments again, we will shoot everyone down, we will defeat everyone, but something is still silent on our 4 downed sides, who shot them down and with what?
    1. -1
      22 May 2023 06: 47
      Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
      and something on our 4 downed sides

      friendly fire.
    2. -10
      22 May 2023 07: 40
      Yes, right now the Ministry of Defense is preparing a press release with all the "schemes" - who, what, why and what measures are being taken to bring to everyone and everyone from every "iron" in the kitchen. Should this be reported to you? Individually? Or, after all, from each "iron"?
  13. -4
    22 May 2023 07: 20
    Regarding the long preparation for Fu - 16.
    They can also be handed over immediately with the crew: the raider, technicians, gunsmiths and other service personnel, supposedly they are now serving the armed forces.
    From these western scum everything can be expected. sad
  14. -3
    22 May 2023 07: 25
    The problem for Ukraine is that for direct support of the troops, during the period of the planned counter-offensive of the Air Force, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will need from 4 to 10 F-16 squadrons momentarily. The US CNS understands this very well; they know that in 4 months they need to train from 50 to 120 pilots + up to 600 technicians + adapt airfields, reliably cover their air defense. This, let's put it this way: little real. But this is only the technical side of the issue. And there is one more, but important component: how will Moscow react? That's what scares them the most. Of course, it is beneficial for the Americans that we use tactical nuclear weapons at these airfields, then they are provided with a complete exodus of production and capital from Europe, but on the other hand, the risk of sliding into a global conflict increases significantly. Let me explain right away: if we communicate through some kind of closed channels, it is only with the Yankees, since we do not consider Europe to be a completely independent player in the geopolitical field. In addition, the time factor also plays a role: ideally, these 50 F-16s are needed now, and even under the take-off and landing program, it takes 4 months to train pilots and technicians and the aircraft themselves, again, I repeat, along with airfields. And now, in all its glory, the question arises: what will happen to Ukraine in 4 months? Will it be too late?
  15. -8
    22 May 2023 07: 43
    Three unknown American majors and a captain who joined them tested two unknown Ukrainian pilots on a simulator who spoke English poorly.
    And, a stunning conclusion was made - the Ukrainian pilots turned out to be very talented, and the retraining period can be reduced to three weeks. About which they trumpeted all over the world.
    Ukraine will receive its F-16s, but the aircraft's reputation will be dealt a severe blow, they will be actively shot down.
  16. -5
    22 May 2023 08: 22
    The boys had already been studying on leoperds for three months, as a result, they removed the tower from one, and probably broke the thread on the second. What it is possible to teach flyers there in 4 months is simply not clear. During the Second World War, the training of pilots ranged from 9 to 12 months. Truth from scratch. Then another month or two in the reserve regiment. And only then in the combat regiment. And then, God forbid, led to experienced pilots. And this is the technique of the 40s.
    1. +2
      22 May 2023 08: 39
      Quote from: lukash66
      During the Second World War, the training of pilots ranged from 9 to 12 months. Truth from scratch

      I do not see lieutenants among the pilots, only sergeants. I ask:

      - What raid do you have on combat aircraft? Answer:

      - One and a half to two hours, and most often on old planes, rarely anyone flew on new ones. I ask the commanders:

      - How will the development of a new material part take place?

      - The theory was explained to them during their studies, they were introduced to the features of the aircraft, well, here we give one or two flights and then to Stalingrad. Time is running out.
      1. -4
        22 May 2023 08: 57
        Quote: Negro
        Quote from: lukash66
        During the Second World War, the training of pilots ranged from 9 to 12 months. Truth from scratch

        I do not see lieutenants among the pilots, only sergeants. I ask:

        - What raid do you have on combat aircraft? Answer:

        - One and a half to two hours, and most often on old planes, rarely anyone flew on new ones. I ask the commanders:

        - How will the development of a new material part take place?

        - The theory was explained to them during their studies, they were introduced to the features of the aircraft, well, here we give one or two flights and then to Stalingrad. Time is running out.

        Ahh, yes, the old song, it was Kozhedub and Pokryshkin who drove all the aces of the Luftwaffe to Berlin. No need to drive this Goebbels propaganda about the superiority of the Aryan race for air battles. Read Dymich's book "Merry Hunting in the East", "Aces and Propaganda" by Mukhin. Especially the first one, everything is with dates and losses. And immediately your brain will come into balance. Yes, there were accelerated courses, and there were sergeants. And among the Aryans, who flew from the middle of the 43rd year? Feldwebels with accelerated courses. And they died in batches. Even the "great" E. Hartman himself complained to the Fuhrer that the Luftwaffe pilots, starting from the 44th year, can only take off and, God forbid, sit down in half.
        1. +2
          22 May 2023 10: 32
          Quote from: lukash66
          Even the "great" E. Hartman himself complained to the Fuhrer that the Luftwaffe pilots, starting from the 44th year, can only take off and, God forbid, sit down in half.

          Yes, the training of pilots for the "emergency fighter program" left much to be desired. Especially by the standards of Hartmann, who started flying as a kid.
      2. -8
        22 May 2023 09: 33
        I have been following you for a long time, a solid negative.)))) So, my dear, OUR pilots have been fighting since June 22, regardless of either technical or numerical superiority. And even sergeants and ml. lieutenants shot down "experts" with a bunch of victories recorded by him. And on I16, and on LaGGs with MiGs, and on bespontovy hurricanes. And this is recognized even by our enemy. And you don’t need to shoot Josef’s agitation here. And the personnel of our Air Force at the beginning of the Second World War was quite at the level of the Luftwaffe. By the 42nd year, the training of pilots had decreased, this is understandable, but from the middle of the 43rd it was steadily increasing. They were not driven to slaughter, only through the app. shelves.
        1. +6
          22 May 2023 10: 16
          Quote from: lukash66
          I've been following you for a long time

          Ah, there it is. I confess, I sinned against Jack Golovan.
          Quote from: lukash66
          the pilots had been fighting since June 22, regardless of either technical or numerical superiority

          Technical superiority is a separate conversation, but where did you find the numerical one?
          Quote from: lukash66
          And even our enemy admits it

          What does he recognize? The presence of backlash losses on the Eastern Front?
          Quote from: lukash66
          They were not driven to slaughter, only through the app. shelves.

          That is, the enemy of the people Shakhurin in the quote above is lying? Well, that's why he is an enemy of the people.
          1. -3
            22 May 2023 12: 01
            Quote: Negro
            Quote from: lukash66
            I've been following you for a long time

            Ah, there it is. I confess, I sinned against Jack Golovan.
            Quote from: lukash66
            the pilots had been fighting since June 22, regardless of either technical or numerical superiority

            Technical superiority is a separate conversation, but where did you find the numerical one?
            Quote from: lukash66
            And even our enemy admits it

            What does he recognize? The presence of backlash losses on the Eastern Front?
            Quote from: lukash66
            They were not driven to slaughter, only through the app. shelves.

            That is, the enemy of the people Shakhurin in the quote above is lying? Well, that's why he is an enemy of the people.

            Why are you so stubborn, I gave you a recommendation, read Dymich. There really by years, months and numbers. The number of "victories" and how all this crap he wrote ended. And you are probably an apologist for the Panzerwaffe and all these tales - in winter, in the evening, in a snowstorm, from a distance of two plus kilometers, DESTROYED ten T34e and 15 KV. How can they be distinguished from each other from such a distance - just hell knows. And most importantly, he didn’t hit, namely, he destroyed it. He didn’t see military ranks there in the sight?)))) The main storyteller of the Luftwaffe at least finished beautifully, handed out memoirs to foolish democratic journalists, but the main tanker of all Europe was somehow not very good.)))
            1. +2
              22 May 2023 14: 38
              Quote from: lukash66
              Why are you so stubborn, I gave you a recommendation, read Dymich. There really by years, months and numbers.

              Since Dymich, unknown to me, came with Mukhin known to me, I could generally guess about the content of his work. And, as it turned out, he was not mistaken.
              Quote from: lukash66
              And you are probably an apologist for the Panzerwaffe and all these tales

              He was not particularly interested in the details of the activities of the Panzerwaffe. Remind, by the way, the figures for the production of tanks in the Axis countries and among the allies.
    2. +5
      22 May 2023 13: 23
      Like, Pokryshkin comrades from the MIG to the Aerocobra were retrained for a year ??? I don't remember this in his memoirs...
      1. -3
        22 May 2023 13: 36
        Let's not confuse the MiG3 with the cobra, and the MiG 29 with the phi 16. Slightly different little things, aren't they? Moreover, experienced flyers were already decently knocked out there, the commanders of the starley. How is that? I’m not an aviator at all, but somehow a flyer with a meager raid on the positions of a commander is nonsense.
  17. +3
    22 May 2023 09: 40
    More precisely, the aircraft, perhaps, will receive it. But the training of pilots, even in a stream, is at least 6 months.

    They received the tanks and they will receive the planes, they have nowhere to rush, the Russian Federation will not advance anywhere in six months, so for now they will knock out supplies and have Chimeras and Shadows.
    The White House said earlier that the United States does not object to Ukrainian strikes on Crimea. Antonov noted that the attack on the peninsula comparable to an attack on any other region of Russia, and warned against the transfer of F-16 fighters to Kyiv

    Well, i.e. Crimea is not a "red line", you can attack - there will be no special response.
  18. +2
    22 May 2023 09: 51
    The question is, indeed, purely in time. And we will see how the Ukrainians will be able to implement all this in a year and a half.

    That is, according to the author’s calculations, aviation will appear either by the 2023/2024 winter campaign (if there is such a campaign at all), or by the spring “counterattack” of 2024. This plus or minus is the same as with 4-month training. Not exactly news.

    And there is news, even three.
    1. Joe, instead of the vague statements of last year, is becoming more and more specific. Literally "I choose violence". Of course, he used to throw up cartridges, but the trend is interesting.
    2. There is a point of view, which I find convincing, that aviation is not particularly needed to reach the line on February 24, and even more so for defense. Therefore, if the coalition is investing in aviation, the February 24 line is at least not the only option.
    3. No matter how you count, but this fiscal year (through September) aviation will not have time to influence events. Consequently, the decision to extend the NWO into fiscal year 24 has already been made - with no regard for the results of the long-awaited counteroffensive. It was expected by many (including myself) that in case of problems with the counter-attack, the freeze option would come to the fore. Perhaps with some clarifications, such as the exchange of Marinka for Energodar. Judging by the latest news, there will be no frost.
  19. +7
    22 May 2023 10: 16
    Of course, you can continue to throw hats on the enemy, but Western supplies significantly influenced the course of the NWO.
  20. +5
    22 May 2023 10: 39
    If the SVO lasts another six months or a year, then Nezalezhannaya will have flying falcons and pilots who can handle them ...
  21. -2
    22 May 2023 10: 45
    *.... in a year and a half*? Well, i.e. won't the war be over by then? And, either the author of this article is well aware of this, or the West will do everything in its power to make the war last as long as possible. And Russia, apparently, should just put up with it and fight according to the rules of the West? Well, then everything goes according to plan! According to the plan of the US and the EU.
    1. +15
      22 May 2023 10: 59
      Quote: Yaroslav the Wise
      *.... in a year and a half*? Well, i.e. won't the war be over by then?

      The day after tomorrow will be exactly 15 months from the start of the lightning-fast liberation campaign. If you had been told then that in 15 months we would be discussing the delivery of F-16s by next winter, would you believe it?
      1. +3
        22 May 2023 11: 35
        The saddest thing is that the "partners" can creatively comprehend the experience of the participation of Soviet pilots in the Korean War. And "hang" the logistics and maintenance of the F16 on the Polish Air Force, using the airfields of the Armed Forces of Ukraine only for the "jump". And nothing can be done to Poland, the "UN Air Force in Korea" will confirm.

        And it is impossible to exclude the use of the Foreign Legion - not "boots on the ground", not to run with the APU with their feet, but in F16 over the territory of the AFU.
        IMHO, finding "active duty" F16 pilots / peppy retired F16 pilots who are tired of simulators and exercises right to death (sorry for the pun) is not difficult. Chennault's Flying Tigers will confirm if anyone is still alive.

        Judging by the fact that "sleeping Joe" suddenly "fired up" on the F16 theme, no option can be ruled out. And if everything goes according to the "quick option", then the F16 will appear very soon.

        PS. The journalist of the Military Review suddenly began to write in Ukrainian! Yes, even poetry ... why would it ?!
        ... the text of the song by Dmytro Gnatyuk, it very well illustrates the essence of what is happening:
        I marvel at the sky, I guess that thought:
        Why do not I sokol, Why do not I pour,
        Why don't you give me a chicken, God? -
        I would have left the earth, I would have zlіtav into the sky!
        1. -1
          22 May 2023 14: 52
          Quote: Wildcat
          And nothing can be done to Poland, the "UN Air Force in Korea" will confirm.

          I see no reason to complicate things.
          Quote: Zaurbek
          1. Given its range, where will the airfield be?

          He has enough range from the PTB to Moscow from anywhere in Ukraine, and at first glance there are three airfields: Uzhgorod, Chernivtsi and Sambir. I would choose Sambor, but I'm not Zaluzhny.
          Quote: Zaurbek
          24 aircraft will require the logistics of fuel and ammunition. Serious

          Nonsense. Small local airport.
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Under whose jurisdiction?

          Under Ukrainian, of course. If there is a go-ahead for the direct participation of NATO, then all these dances lose their meaning.

          Quote: Wildcat
          if everything goes according to the "quick option", then F16 will appear very soon

          Partners suddenly switched to "Home for Christmas" mode? Unlikely. To whom, but to partners, it’s normal.

          Of the interesting things, one can only note an organizational nuance: aviation is, roughly speaking, an escalation to the level of a corps, but we have not yet seen an escalation to the level of a division. Namely MGM-140 and army aviation (helicopters / large UAVs). Somehow inaccurate.
          1. +3
            22 May 2023 15: 36
            I see no reason to complicate things.

            If a decision is made to give F16, then its simple execution is to keep everything except GDP (including "motorways") with fuel in Poland. In Poland there is F16 and there is where and to whom to serve them, refuel and arm them safely. To prepare specialists and matbazu when they already exist, this is what complicates.
            In principle, the decision "there will be a maintenance hub in Poland" is logical and accepted even for Leo2, there is no point in inventing something new.
            The same for pilots, although there is no doubt that they (and maintenance personnel) will still be trained for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

            Partners suddenly switched to "Home for Christmas" mode? Unlikely. To whom, but to partners, it’s normal.
            Agree. The "partners" will need the result next year, before the elections. And if the result is this year, then next year you will have to answer uncomfortable questions "why and how much does it cost to carry shells for artillery / armored vehicles by aircraft", "why give MCIs when M113s rot in the desert" and so on.

            Of the interesting things, one can only note an organizational nuance: aviation is, roughly speaking, an escalation to the level of a corps, but we have not yet seen an escalation to the level of a division. Namely MGM-140 and army aviation (helicopters / large UAVs). Somehow inaccurate.

            As for helicopters, there are big doubts that they will be given. With unsuppressed air defense (and it is impossible to completely suppress it) and IA, they are very vulnerable. They are expensive and by and large they can be replaced with artillery / MLRS, drones and the same F16. So far, even discussions of Apaches / Cobras, etc. are not visible, the heritage of the USSR and multi-purpose vehicles give more.
            MGM140 "stuck" for internal political reasons in the United States, IMHO. But for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the GLSDB is promised "by Christmas", but for now there will be "Storm Shadow" in the role of MGM140.

            Interestingly, it can be noted that the flow of information about new deliveries of BT for the Armed Forces has stopped. Macron was the last to show up with "several battalions", something from Italy comes without announcements and that's it. Even "sleeping Joe" is in no hurry to the desert for the M113, deliveries are in the form of BC.
            1. -1
              23 May 2023 08: 21
              Quote: Wildcat
              this is to complicate

              You should not stoop to the level of lovers of tactical nuclear weapons. The NWO is territorially defined, the involvement of new territories in it, especially NATO countries, is still undesirable. Well, that is, get involved so get involved, but there is no need to take risks in vain.
              Rear service yes, of course. But even a damaged airframe will drag the same MH-57.
              Quote: Wildcat
              The "partners" will need the result next year, before the elections.

              Partners more or less do not care. There will be a result - well, it will not be - okay.
              Another thing is that until November 2024 they don’t even care.
              Quote: Wildcat
              "why and how much does it cost to carry shells for artillery / armored vehicles by planes", "why give MCIs when M113s rot in the desert"

              Mraps are just free, after Iraq there are a lot of them superfluous. Air deliveries are served as regular WTO training.
              Quote: Wildcat
              As for helicopters, there are big doubts that they will be given.

              Yes it is possible. Now mostly large UAVs are meant.
              Quote: Wildcat
              But for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the GLSDB is promised "by Christmas"

              Actually, I'm looking forward to seeing them now.
              Quote: Wildcat
              Interestingly, it can be noted that the flow of information about new deliveries of BT for the Armed Forces has stopped

              Already promised enough, now you need to digest what is. And the equipment itself is not lost for almost half a year - there are no moving actions. And all these half a year the factories of the countries of the Internal Affairs Department have been working, I believe, restoring the legacy of dear Leonid Ilyich.
              1. +1
                23 May 2023 15: 08
                IMHO, our views on the F16 for the Armed Forces of Ukraine differ slightly in particulars, coinciding in general - F16 will be and will be soon.

                Donavi49 posted another calculation for F16, where the "initial package" is striving for a hundred units. This is not counting the "sleeping Joe" with his desert reserves and the Europeans, who can also wake up with their Eurofighters tranche1 and Mirages2000 (there is nowhere to go anyway).

                As for the rest of the technique - indeed, "now you need to digest what is" and look at the results of the "counterattack".
                Although an interesting point - IMHO, you can’t really look at the USA anymore, great armored countries, such as Poland or Italy, can completely cover the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for "armor on tracks" with their BMP1 or M113: "... deliveries of military transports, such as M-113, VSS-1 and VSS-2, currently “parked” in Lenta, are probably in the field (disposal of these vehicles, according to current rules, represents a significant expenses). ). Given the simplicity of the vehicles in question, restoring them - even a large number - in a relatively short time should not be too costly.". And BMP1 and M113 with its BCC clones can be found a couple of thousand, IMHO.

                Regarding the costs of the BTA, I occasionally came across an assessment of "the unreasonableness of the costs of the BTA in the price of the final assistance," if I find it, I'll post it.
                1. 0
                  23 May 2023 19: 25
                  Quote: Wildcat
                  I rummage, somewhere I came across an assessment of "the unreasonableness of BTA costs in the price of the final assistance," if I find it, I'll post it.

                  And so I wrote it. But now it's not up to trifles.
                  Quote: Wildcat
                  F16 will be and will be soon.

                  I'm just not sure about this. But if they do, there will be a lot of work for them. Of course, if they are given not to replace the MiG-29, but with the implementation of all their capabilities.
        2. +5
          22 May 2023 17: 34
          And what? Ivan Nikitovich Kozhedub was also a Ukrainian. Cancel it now? By the way, Sergei Pavlovich Korolev, when he entered the Kiev Polytechnic University, also called himself a Ukrainian in the questionnaire. And the German language and German literature in schools in the Second World War was not canceled.
  22. -5
    22 May 2023 11: 31
    Caution with the supply of aircraft, in my opinion, may consist of 2 elements.

    1) The West remembers what damage was done to Ukrainian aviation at the beginning of the conflict. This was significant damage, and, given that since then we have acquired new tsatsks in the "precision weapons" category, such as the same "Geraniums" or planning bombs, given that they did a great job of knocking down enemy air defense and that our missiles still fly and endure - there is a certain risk that the delivered array will be destroyed quite soon and, as they say, without interrupting the removal of enemy air defense elements.
    An airplane is not a tank - you can’t hide it in urban areas. Of course, they can be dispersed over different airfields, but in this way it will be necessary to disperse drugs and air defense, and pour funds into these very different airfields. At the moment, all this does not cause optimism among Western analysts, apparently. They probably think that these are high-risk actions.

    2) Insufficient supplies of "birdies" will not give them the opportunity to act effectively against the numerically superior Aerospace Forces and in the conditions of our air defense. The supplies are sufficient - this is already approaching the very abstract "red line", beyond which a threshold escalation can HYPOTHETICALLY occur (there will be a paradigm shift in the attitude of our elites towards the conflict and stakes).
    After all, the US and the company are also creeping up to the situation "on the belly", albeit much faster than us, but they still try to avoid a sharp switch. Because to fully calculate how the European allies will behave in the event of the start of tougher actions of the Russian Federation in Ukraine itself is not an easy task. At some point, we can really spit saliva on the "agreements" and untie the hands of the military - the forces for this seem to be accumulated, as well as experience in certain areas.

    So I summarize - the West is still afraid not of the "crooked hands" of our enemy, but of our potential. Fears, however, less and less. We TRAINED him to be less and less afraid of us.
    Even the smallest dogs began to roar like lions.
    This conflict from NWO is increasingly becoming exactly the KEY for the architecture of our security and near foreign policy. I hope this understanding comes to those who make decisions.
  23. -1
    22 May 2023 12: 29
    In addition to the thoughts of the author, I want to throw one of my own. And what, in fact, the tasks will be assigned to F - 16? 1. Air battles with the Su - 35, without the support of Avax? Brad, he doesn't stand a chance. Application of BSHU? This is how even twin-engine, armored Su-25s are shot down, the "falcon" simply has nothing to do there. Striking "in depth" - "storm shadow"? So he won't pick it up. Total, in the remainder, we have - to hell with a goat button accordion?
    1. +6
      22 May 2023 12: 51
      And what, in fact, the tasks will be assigned to F - 16?

      Universal? Any.
      Total, in the remainder, we have - to hell with a goat button accordion?

      Ryabov has already formed his own fan club. At 15 months of SVO.
      1. -1
        22 May 2023 17: 56
        I have already said several hundred times that universality is good up to a certain limit, and then the situation becomes reversed. He is bad everywhere and in everything. So be specific about your idea.
        1. +1
          22 May 2023 22: 19
          I have already said several hundred times that universality is good up to a certain limit.


          But this is interesting, tell us about this very limit.
        2. +1
          23 May 2023 08: 26
          Quote: TermNachTER
          So be specific about your idea.

          1. Work on the right bank against the KR, the transition from the nodal air defense from the air defense system to the national level.
          2. Work with aviation means of destruction on LBS. Potentially full-fledged operations to suppress air defense in the local area.
          3. Preparation for full-fledged aviation operations of a modern type (under the NATO AWACS / RER / EW). The obvious point of application of forces is the western coast of Crimea, where they are finishing off AWACS from Romania.
          4. After solving problems 1-3: the blockade of the Crimea, both from the sea and from Kerch. Destruction of the Black Sea Fleet.
          5. In case of further transfer of the red lines - missile and bomb strikes on the rear facilities of the Russian Federation. Up to and including Yekaterinburg.
          1. -3
            23 May 2023 09: 04
            Quote: Negro
            4. After solving problems 1-3: the blockade of the Crimea, both from the sea and from Kerch. Destruction of the Black Sea Fleet.
            5. In case of further transfer of the red lines - missile and bomb strikes on the rear facilities of the Russian Federation. Up to and including Yekaterinburg

            You have a rich imagination. Ukro-African American. good laughing
          2. 0
            29 May 2023 00: 57
            missile and bomb strikes on rear facilities of the Russian Federation. Up to and including Yekaterinburg

            Well, just fabulous! laughing
  24. +2
    22 May 2023 14: 00
    I will take this article without irony .... Time will tell what and how the West + USA will train the pilots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Although the F-16 is the “yesterday” of aviation, it’s still a fairly serious enemy in the sky so far ... And it’s not a fact that these will be the old Falcons .... In general, it’s necessary, to this information, be taken seriously and balanced, so that, later, "not to bite your elbows", as with quadrocopters, communications, uniforms, command and control of troops and rear, partial mobilization ....
    1. 0
      23 May 2023 17: 42
      So the F16V is a very modern day aviation. But I don’t think that they will be delivered, most likely you need to focus on versions C and D. And they are a serious opponent for our Air Force
  25. -3
    22 May 2023 14: 18
    And there were real chances to finish the SVO a year ago. And there would be no Leopards, Patriots and other Bradleys. If the snot were not chewed with the release of the Nazis to the resorts in Turkey. And the chewing continues.
    1. 0
      23 May 2023 19: 14
      What are you talking about, bandabas? What kind of reality are you talking about, dear? Capitalist Russia decided to "flex its muscles" under the plausible pretext of denazification and demilitarization, without serious preparation and mobilization of all forces, including the neutralization of the "fifth column" at all levels of power. The result was not long in coming .... And, most importantly, with the complete de-ideologization of the whole society ... As you, I hope, noticed, the "blitzkrieg" did not work out ... In the history of the development of capitalist states, I do not remember successful people's liberation campaigns any cap. states against their own kind ..... One hassle, blood and tears for ordinary people and unclear plans for the future of the vanquished. This, my friend, is the history of the state development of any capitalist state. Maybe capitalist Russia will write new pages in this story ..... Then we will be happy ... Well, we will live, in spite of the entire West + USA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  26. +3
    22 May 2023 15: 23
    Qatari pilots mastered in a year. Saudi - in 10 months. Iraqis - for six months. The Egyptians mastered the Su-35 in five months. So for khokhloletchikov with combat experience, four months will even be a bit much. As for CAS, the US Marines say that the worst thing that happens is a call for close air support from our Air Force.
  27. -2
    23 May 2023 00: 40
    Here, as with tanks, the amers want the geyropa to first transfer their typhoons, mirages and tornadoes, and Saabs to the heap, and only then promise to deliver their aircraft, but after repair or modernization, the business is nothing personal.
  28. -1
    23 May 2023 14: 47
    But if anything: Belgium has THREE official languages: German, French and Dutch/Dutch. And how about this?

    That's the problem. Belgians speak English. Moreover, the instructors who teach to fly American aircraft know him. But what can you do to "sweeten the pill".
  29. -1
    23 May 2023 14: 51
    Quote: parma
    We need to think about how to minimize these risks and solve the problem with weaknesses, and not what level of training the Ukrainians will have...

    This is a difficult task. It is much more pleasant to write something uplifting, read and believe ..
  30. 0
    23 May 2023 14: 53
    Quote: V.
    Deliveries of F-16s to Ukraine will allow us to test the tactics of combating them.

    Will you "run in" at the cost of your life? Or should someone else take the risk instead of you?
  31. +1
    23 May 2023 15: 01
    Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
    How will Moscow react? That's what scares them the most.

    I am 99,9% sure that no one is afraid of Moscow's reaction. It's been like that for a long time. Unless someone in Moscow itself is interested in Moscow's reaction.
  32. 0
    23 May 2023 15: 07
    Quote: Negro
    if the coalition invests in aviation, the February 24 line is at least not the only option

    At least a year they already say - the border of 1991. Everything and all the time.
  33. -1
    23 May 2023 15: 09
    Quote: Wildcat
    The journalist of the Military Review suddenly began to write in Ukrainian! Yes, even poetry ... why would it ?!

    Gives signals. Just in case. After all, they are different cases (there is such an anecdote)
  34. -1
    23 May 2023 15: 15
    Quote: TermNachTER
    Striking "in depth" - "storm shadow"? So he won't pick it up.

    Have you tried checking your knowledge before writing? Or "not a royal affair"?))))
  35. -1
    23 May 2023 15: 17
    Quote: bandabas
    And there were real chances to finish the SVO a year ago.

    Yes, there were no "real chances"
    1. 0
      24 May 2023 19: 31
      There were no real challenges. Everything is like in a fairy tale, the further the worse.
  36. 0
    29 August 2023 20: 37
    Of course, I don’t send anything in aviation, gentlemen.
    But, with us, no one understands anything (as life shows) ...
    “So the transition of the F-16 from the state of “aircraft” to the state of “litak” is really a complex and not one-day issue. And money. Money must also be considered, because they will have to be spent long before the first Sokol takes to the skies of Ukraine ."
    Doubtful conclusions. Self-soothing, I would say.
    Money is not an issue at all. Give as much as you need.
    One-day... It is likely that they are already in the territory.
    Who will tell you?..
  37. 0
    30 September 2023 21: 16
    I'm looking up at the sky, wondering why I still don't fly on the Falcon?


    laughing