Explosives overhead: tank visors with dynamic protection in the special operation zone

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Explosives overhead: tank visors with dynamic protection in the special operation zone

There is a catchphrase "if you want to live, you won't get so upset”From the movie “Peculiarities of the National Hunt”, which is very appropriate for how craftsmen in repair shops and crews additionally armor military equipment if a welding machine and some scrap metal come to hand. It happens that quite viable creations are obtained from this, and sometimes - something that can only bring complacency as a benefit. But these aspirations are quite understandable: the vehicles on which you have to go into battle have their own weakened zones. And the operators themselves are sometimes forced to deal with their elimination.

However, steel structures in the form of screens installed on the towers of our tanks and nicknamed by the people as visors or barbecues, stand somewhat apart from other handicrafts. They began to be installed quite serially long before the special operation in Ukraine, and with its start, "brazier production" was put on stream, moreover, in the style of "who cares what." Now, apparently, the design idea has reached the final point - the visors began to acquire dynamic protection. In this connection, many again started talking about the anti-missile orientation of these creations.



And the roof is "leaky"


We have already written more than once about why tanks have been produced for many decades based on the principle of differentiated armor, so we will not touch this topic now. After all, everyone already knows that the main array of tank armor is located in the frontal parts of the hull and turret, where, in theory and in practice, the largest number of shells arrive. But this very practice also shows that the crew of a combat vehicle cannot feel confident even if all the basic rules of combat are observed, including the notorious one: to the enemy - forehead. And all, of course, because of the widest distribution of anti-tank weapons, including drones, which have become a kind of symbol of the NWO.

In short, under the current conditions, it can fly anywhere, and not always in a strong forehead - weak sides and a tower roof remain a priority. At the same time, if the problem with the sides can still be somehow solved by installing additional dynamic protection (in bags or metal containers), then things are bad with the roof.


Conditional forty millimeters of steel armor, even if equipped with standard dynamic protection, will not be able to oppose anything to Javelins hitting the roof, missiles from multi-purpose drones and, in some cases, even FPV drones with RPG rounds attached. So the maximum that you can count on here is protection against small-caliber cumulative submunitions and low-power projectiles dropped from UAVs. But on the condition that the hit will fall on the “reactive armor” block, with which the roof is not completely blocked.

It is impossible to correct this situation by installing multi-layer dynamic protection, which is guaranteed not to leave any residual armor penetration when hit by a cumulative missile - the entire surface of the roof cannot be closed, and “stacks” of blocks completely block the entire view from the tank. And the thickening of the roof armor, even in the long term on tanks of the classical layout, is nothing more than fantasy. Although, it must be admitted, there are still people who seriously talk about the great prospects for all-round protected tanks weighing under a hundred tons.

But if we touch on the long term, then active protection in one form or another is still the most viable way to radically increase the capabilities of combat vehicles - but where is it?

Peaks and barbecues


At the beginning of this material, it was not in vain that it was said about solving the problems of protecting military vehicles by the hands of the military. The fact that something needs to be done with a very weakened zone in the form of a tower roof was clear for a long time, but what exactly should be done? Logic suggests that one of the simplest and at the same time effective means against cumulative ammunition is the screens on which they detonate and, accordingly, significantly lose penetration due to the fact that the cumulative jet travels a long distance through the air before penetrating into armor.

It was precisely those very visors or "barbecues" that were originally supposed to carry this function, protecting the projection of the tank roof from both Javelin-type missiles attacking from above and guided projectiles launched from under the wing of Bayraktars and other UAVs of this type, and against loitering ammunition.


The solution, I must say, is not the first freshness and was tested long before the current events. But in the Russian troops, visors, serially installed on tanks, were demonstrated in 2021 in the troops of the Southern Military District. By the way, Belarusians later took advantage of the same idea, adopting at the same time such a useless accessory as a cylindrical tray with glowing coals mounted on a rod, in theory (not in practice, of course) designed to drive infrared homing missiles crazy.

And then a special military operation began in Ukraine, and they began to remake all tanks indiscriminately to the standard of steel visors. Often, as they say, on the knee and with the hope of some kind of effective work of products. It is noteworthy that sometimes it came to the point that the visors were assembled from some kind of thin reinforcement, and their appearance alone inspired confidence: one kick was enough for the structure to collapse.


Useful not always


A lot has been said about how the visors complicate the operation of the machine and can sometimes become a threat to the life of the crew. But, if we touch on the very idea of ​​​​installing them: can they successfully perform their tasks?

Initially assigned to them, the function of protection against missiles and other means attacking the roof is not quite. Yes, in a number of situations they can really save from ATGMs and some loitering ammunition with cumulative warheads, acting as initiating (detonation-causing) screens in tandem with standard roof-mounted dynamic protection. But once at a time, as they say, it is not necessary. Not all tanks have this dynamic protection, and, as we have already said, far from the entire roof area is blocked by it, including the crew hatch covers.

Therefore, in order to exclude as much as possible any possibility of breaking through the roof with a powerful cumulative warhead, the distance between it and the visor should be at least a meter and a half, or even more.

The fact is that the detonation of a shaped charge (they are different, but if taken on average) at a distance from the armor to a certain limit only increases its penetration - we are talking about 5-6 of its calibers. Whereas a decrease in armor penetration characteristics to near zero is usually achieved at a distance much greater than 10-12 of its calibers. That is, relatively speaking and as an example, for a shaped charge with a diameter of 100 millimeters, the screen must be at a distance of more than 1,2 meters so that the thin armor is not pierced.

But there are no standards in handicrafts, of course, at all. You can observe both tall "barbecues", which can be seen for half a kilometer, and visors, which are similar in height to kindergarten "mushrooms" - under them it is impossible to even sit on the roof of the tower without bending your head. But in general, based on the available data, the work of this type of add. protection, even in an ideal performance, depends on a number of factors (the angle of impact of a missile, the power of its warhead, etc.), so we are more likely to talk about chance.

Is it worth saying in this case that such constructions can give some meaningful guarantee? Here it would be more appropriate to compare them with lattice screens on tanks and other equipment, which with a probability of about 50% can work out qualitatively against a very narrow range of attacking projectiles. Sometime it really works out and saves the lives of the crew and the tank itself, but sometime it doesn’t.


Nevertheless, the scope of visors in the NWO zone turned out to be somewhat wider than originally thought. One way or another, they act as a more or less effective defense against small ammunition dropped from drones onto tank roofs and into open hatches, acting as a kind of toadstool catcher. Also, camouflage means are attached to them and all sorts of soldier's belongings are thrown on them, using them as a trunk - in the end, since there is such a convenient shelf, then why not.

In general, today, by and large, it is these factors that determine the need for visors, since Javelin-type missiles and other “roof-breakers” are actually not very common things that play not the most important role on the battlefields.

Will dynamic protection help?


The installation of dynamic protection on the visors of tanks is also far from new, at least in the time frame of the special military operation in Ukraine. It’s just that the media paid attention to this only just a few days ago, although vehicles equipped with explosive “boxes” were seen on the fronts before that - only the execution options differ.

T-72B3 with a visor on which dynamic protection is installed. February 2023
T-72B3 with a visor on which dynamic protection is installed. February 2023

The reason is the same: to maximize the protection of a thin roof from cumulative weapons attacking from above. After all, the probability of the arrival of something powerful in any case is present.

As a "protagonist" is by no means "Relikt" or "Contact-5", but a simple complex of hinged dynamic protection "Contact", which has been installed on tanks since the mid-80s of the last century. It works exclusively against cumulative weapons, and only monoblock ones that do not have any leading precharges. The latter circumstance at once answers a number of questions regarding the notorious Javelins and other products of this kind - they are tandem, so they, in simple terms, don’t give a damn about Contact. The result will still be the same: the neutralization of the "reactive armor" and the impact of an insufficiently deformed and fragmented cumulative jet straight into the roof.

So, if you focus on these missiles, the visors should be "two-story" in order to neutralize the effect of the leading cumulative precharges on dynamic protection. In addition, one cannot discount the fact that "Contact" is explosives in steel boxes. There is not so much of it, but, coupled with a detonating projectile, it will be enough to turn the visor, or, at best, demolish some of the blocks with a blast wave.

The contraption comes out conditionally disposable, but it is not completely devoid of prospects. Those 200-400 millimeters that "Kontakt" is able to "shave off" in the penetration of single-block cumulative means, depending on the angle of impact, can be of great help. Basically against various abominations dropped from drones or cluster shells, as well as kamikaze drones and even infantry with anti-tank weapons, when it comes to difficult conditions - for example, battles in urban areas.

But a crutch is also a crutch in Africa. All these visors and other barbecues are the result of the emergence and wide spread of new types of threats on the battlefield, which in the future will still require some radical solutions, but not in the conditions of repair shops, but somewhere at a higher level, in the Ministry of Defense and design bureaus .
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  1. +18
    15 May 2023 03: 51
    So after all, it remains bare, the stern of the tank is not covered by anything, and there you can’t put a visor or dynamic protection, because it will interfere with the rotation of the tower. We need KAZ for anyone, and it is desirable to start actively putting them on tanks as soon as possible. This, of course, is not a panacea, but it is much better than homemade products such as any cornice screens.
    1. +10
      15 May 2023 04: 54
      “If you want to live, you won’t get so upset”
      So the crews themselves have to drive "umbrellas" over their heads ....
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        1. +2
          15 May 2023 07: 51
          There are not many videos about Javelins, but how tanks died on mines is a dime a dozen. Maybe it's time to do something with the mines.
    3. IVZ
      +20
      15 May 2023 06: 19
      So it remains naked, uncovered feed of the tank
      I know one tanker - a member of the NWO. Going on his third vacation. He changed three tanks during his participation, he got off with a shell shock. Crew protection is more important than MTO protection.
    4. +1
      15 May 2023 06: 39
      Or you can just change the concept of the tank. Of course, you can make a brazier a hut or a cone for throwing falling objects. You can make a tank in the shape of a turtle where the top will be a hemisphere with a vertical slot for the barrel. And you can make an unmanned tank. Today, there is a war of drones and everything is moving towards a wider use of unmanned vehicles. A tank with a crew follows the drone. The drone is controlled by its driver. Loading with automatic loader. Guidance from a tank with a crew. Today shells are loaded into the tank through the top. And you need to do it like a machine gun with a horn. They pulled out the empty clip, inserted the full one. Or they opened the hatch, inserting a new clip of shells, squeezing out the empty one. Need to think.
      1. 0
        15 May 2023 06: 56
        Today, there is a war of drones and everything is moving towards a wider use of unmanned vehicles. A tank with a crew follows the drone. The drone is controlled by its driver. Loading with automatic loader. Guidance from a tank with a crew. Today shells are loaded into the tank through the top. And you need to do it like a machine gun with a horn. They pulled out an empty clip, inserted a full one

        Well, get an expensive drone tank, and also before the first hit. It's like in Armata, the breech of the gun is practically not protected, and at the first hit, even 45 or 57 shells fail.
        Tanks, even without a crew, will not live long in battle. Why make expensive weapons at one time? Long arm tactics require something else.
        1. +1
          15 May 2023 07: 13
          A tank drone can be expensive. But when it is disabled, at least the crew will not fly into the air along with the tank. Yes, and in mass production, the cost of the drone will be lower than the crew tank. And drones can be made 5 and 10 times more crews.
          1. Uno
            +4
            15 May 2023 20: 06
            here people don’t have equipment, and some fantasize about unmanned tanks)
        2. +2
          15 May 2023 07: 36
          Quote: Konnick
          It's like in Armata, the breech of the gun is practically not protected, and at the first hit, even 45 or 57 shells fail.

          You still have no time to compare the masks of the T-14 and T-90MS guns (they are almost the same), but this does not prevent you from talking nonsense about booking the T-14. And I’ll also write, although it’s unlikely you will understand: “A combination of gun monitor placement and a low-profile turret.”
          1. -3
            15 May 2023 09: 32
            You still have no time to compare the masks of the T-14 and T-90MS guns (they are almost the same), but this does not prevent you from talking nonsense about booking the T-14. And I’ll also write, although it’s unlikely you will understand: “A combination of gun monitor placement and a low-profile turret.”

            What's left for armor?


            And all electronics without armor will fail even when fired from small arms. On real tanks, only head units without armor, and on Armata everything is without armor.
            1. +3
              15 May 2023 10: 43
              Quote: Konnick
              What's left for armor?
              Don't see the obvious...
              Everything on the side of the gun mask is armor! Even by eye it is at least 300 mm (two barrel thicknesses)! Off board! Even the tip of the sight protects the breech of the gun on the left.

              With your own picture, in which you confused (however the level!) The frontal part of the turret with the gun mask, I will demonstrate: where the T-72 has a void (the volume for the crew), there the T-14 has armor, side armor ...


              You don't understand the simplest things...

              Quote: Konnick
              And all electronics without armor will fail even when fired from small arms. On real tanks, only head units without armor, and on Armata everything is without armor.
              What "real tanks" have this? As we can see, everything that is covered with full-fledged armor of "real tanks" is also under Armata's armor. And the fact that "real tanks" have the outside, then the Armata has a casing, at least bulletproof.


              An example of a "real tank" with closed electronics.
              1. 0
                15 May 2023 12: 17
                The Armata, of course, has an armor volume that is orders of magnitude smaller, but its durability is unlikely to be at least approximately similar to the T-90M in the same projection, apparently, it was implied that hitting and disabling all systems on the tower would not have any effect , which is unlikely, and they simply considered that it was possible not to increase the price in this way, and so excessively expensive, the tank
                1. -3
                  15 May 2023 15: 59
                  they just thought that it was possible not to increase the price, and so excessively expensive, the tank

                  In addition, the weight limit
                  1. +1
                    15 May 2023 17: 24
                    Why do you think so? The T-14 has a weight that can be achieved even on the T-72 chassis (well, or somewhat less), but on a 7-roller chassis, more than 55 tons in any way?
                2. 0
                  15 May 2023 16: 27
                  Quote: Materialist
                  Armata, of course, has an order of magnitude less armored volume, but its durability is unlikely to be at least approximately similar to the T-90SM in the same projection

                  Why such a conclusion? Since the tower of Almaty does not need to cover the tankers in the frontal projection, unlike the T-90SM? Or from the fact that the gun mask of the T-14 is similar to the T-90SM? So this is all just what makes it possible to consider the forehead of the Armata the same as in thickness, and the sides of the tower and larger than those of the T-90SM. It's just that the forehead is much more compressed and due to it thicker sides. And by orders of magnitude, for your information, this is at least ten times - which, of course, is too much.

                  [Center]

                  Relatively accurate for the T-90 and estimated for the T-14 sides of the tower, and I believe that the wall thickness should be calculated according to the torsion of the hatch cover, but even so they are noticeably thicker.
                  1. +2
                    15 May 2023 17: 21
                    In Armata, most of the volume of the tower is covered with an anti-fragmentation casing, here, where it is highlighted in red lines, it is he who is behind it - all possible electronics, the pictures have a different scale and consider also the approximate dimensions of the breech, there is no place there for a booking dimension similar to T- 90M, and if, in theory, it was, then what would be the point of it if it covered only the mechanisms of the gun
                    1. 0
                      16 May 2023 03: 59
                      Quote: Materialist
                      At Armata, most of the volume of the tower is covered with an anti-fragmentation casing, here it is where it is highlighted in red lines
                      And what is outside the red outline - what is it? This is exactly the casing, under which is not "all sorts of" but precisely the electronics that are on the rest of the tanks just outside! And the red outline is a full-fledged armor of a low-profile turret combined with a carriage layout. Although you, as a Horseman, are unlikely to understand.

                      Quote: Materialist
                      then what is the point of him if he covered only the mechanisms of the gun
                      And what else to cover in a low-profile uninhabited tower, huh? Everything that a commander and gunner needs in a conventional tank is lowered below the shoulder strap in a tank with such a turret! That's why the adherents of the casing are so illiterate?



                      Quote: Materialist
                      take into account also the approximate dimensions of the breech, there is no room for a reservation dimension similar to the T-90M
                      And what about them? Is it the same as the T-90? Yes, it is slightly larger than on the T-72! You write without knowing the subject at all ...

                      Quote: Materialist
                      pictures are scaled differently
                      In principle, your level is already clear, but it has become even clearer. If reduced to one scale, then the estimated thickness of the T-14 armor will be even greater. laughing
                      1. 0
                        16 May 2023 12: 10

                        Well, where are the visible dimensions of the reservation?
                        Armor here with sights and breech only you measure, the most competent forum member
                      2. 0
                        17 May 2023 03: 40
                        Quote: Materialist
                        Well, where are the visible dimensions of the reservation?
                        Armor here with sights and breech only you measure, the most competent forum member

                        Are you a fool? As an example of booking Almaty, give a picture of the M1 Abrams Block III tower? And even in this case, the side armor is at a sufficient level. Like the gun mask, it’s completely Abrams.https://forum.warthunder.ru/index.php?/topic/292539-interesnye-eksperimentalnye-tanki-ssha/

                        Level yes...
                      3. 0
                        17 May 2023 16: 29


                        If you look closely, you can see that if the size of the T-90A was on the Armata, then the gunner's sight would need to be transferred to the roof of the hull, the rest of the devices, too
                        But if you want, then yes, the gun mask of the tanks is at the level, it’s not clear from what and why at the level, but yes
                      4. 0
                        17 May 2023 18: 28
                        Quote: Materialist
                        If you look closely, you can see that if the size of the T-90A was on the Armata, then the gunner's sight would need to be transferred to the roof of the hull, the rest of the devices, too

                        Yeah, you're just dumb. What size? The wide forehead of the T-90 covers the crew and sights. The T-14 has no crew, and the sight is located below the shoulder strap and the T-14 simply does not need such a forehead, cover the maximum of the trunnion, and they are covered. The fact that on the T-90 turret and the window on the side of the T-14 gun is the head of the sight.
                        Once again, the wide forehead of the T-14 turret is not needed, because everything that the T-90 has in the turret, the T-14 has BELOW the turret shoulder strap, except for the cannon, and its trunnions are covered with narrow but thick frontal armor. The sides of the tower are at least the same as those of the T-90.
                        And immediately, the answer to possible stupidity is that all KAZ equipment on all tanks is outside, and on the T-14, which you can see in your picture, it is under a casing, at least bulletproof.
                      5. 0
                        17 May 2023 19: 50
                        The sights of tanks with inhabited towers on their roofs, the T-14 has all the equipment that perceives the surrounding world is in the tower, and cannot get out of there anywhere, the lack of anti-ballistic armor will affect the first hit of a scrap / land mine or large fragments, the first ones will both disable if not everything that is located in the tower, then the main part of them, this is exactly what they say when they call the lack of armor in the Armata tower
                        If the crew doesn’t even shell-shock, then the car will simply lose its value as a combat unit and go for repairs (not in the field and not even in the deep rear, but, most likely, to the factory
                        You can say as much as you like that the crew is the greatest value, but the economy of the Russian Federation cannot and will not be able to provide even dozens of such cars, most likely never, so the crew, which can potentially lose such a car, having survived, will be given to another car or, due to inconsistency and disorganization, will not be involved in work at all, and replenishing the losses of such machines, as it was impossible, will remain
                      6. 0
                        18 May 2023 03: 16
                        Quote: Materialist
                        Sights for tanks with inhabited towers on their roofs

                        A person who is not aware of periscope sights, but talks about tanks, is just an idiot.
                        The person who illustrates the T14 armor photo of the experimental M1 turret is just an idiot.
                        A person who is not only a text, a picture is not able to comprehend - just an idiot.
                        Why argue with an idiot?
                      7. +1
                        18 May 2023 14: 51
                        You call me an idiot too little, you need more, but even then it will not reach your sensual consciousness that this is worse only for you.
                        Even the periscope sight is placed on the roof of a tank with an inhabited turret, because if it was not placed there, it would be of little use to stare at it
                        By the way, the prototype and the T-14 have towers created according to the same principle, can you imagine?
                        And both of these towers are equally susceptible to weapons that KAZ does not intercept, but you will insist that there is good armor, because you don’t need it, like on tanks with an inhabited tower, because there’s nothing like a gunnery tower as an inhabited , will not fly, it is forbidden by the rules of your consciousness
                        But if you need to speak out and humiliate someone, let it be an imaginary humiliation of me, rather than someone who can inflict physical harm in response
                      8. -1
                        24 July 2023 19: 20
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                        Materialist, it's about you


                    2. -1
                      24 July 2023 19: 13
                      Quote: Materialist
                      In Armata, most of the volume of the tower is covered with an anti-fragmentation casing, here, where it is highlighted in red lines, it is he who is behind it - all possible electronics, the pictures have a different scale and consider also the approximate dimensions of the breech, there is no place there for a booking dimension similar to T- 90M, and if, in theory, it was, then what would be the point of it if it covered only the mechanisms of the gun

                      Materialist where are you looking? Open your eyes!
            2. 0
              15 May 2023 23: 21
              Well, sights, for example, are often duplicated on different tanks and interchanged with the commander and gunner. This time.
              Two - interchangeable devices are trying to spread on the tower away from each other.
              Three. The dispersion of bullets of "small arms" at a distance of effective use of the tank is such that the probability of disabling some important equipment tends to zero.
              Four. Most of the important devices, tank designers tend to place in "niches", close the side with armored curtains, and in front with armored glass.
    5. +3
      15 May 2023 12: 26
      Quote: Thrifty
      We need KAZ for anyone, and it is desirable to start actively putting them on tanks as soon as possible.

      The only advantage of "braziers" is that they can fast install in artisanal conditions. For everyone else, they are worse than KAZ, which still need to be invented, tested and implemented, and mass-produced.

      To protect against drones, KAZ looks promising, there is no problem with the risk of hitting your infantry with shrapnel when shooting upwards, it is easier to detect a relatively contrasting drone against the sky.

      Everything is as always - a good professional solution is better than handicrafts. When there is a choice of 2.
    6. +1
      15 May 2023 16: 14
      Quote: Thrifty
      We need KAZ for anyone, and it is desirable to start actively putting them on tanks as soon as possible. This, of course, is not a panacea, but it is much better than homemade products such as any cornice screens.

      That's right.
      But ... is it possible to quickly equip thousands of tanks with KAZ reliable and protected from bullets and shrapnel?
      There is a DZ for lightly armored vehicles, where the armor is also thinner than on the roof of the tank, but the effect against cumulative ammunition is good.
      Again, an industrial version is required, or at least the release of kits to refine the protection of tanks in the troops.
  2. +8
    15 May 2023 04: 20
    The funny thing is that at the beginning of the NWO, bare barbecues were served as an effective cheap remedy against roof-breakers like Javelin, is it interesting for this fraud that at least someone sat down not in the new Merc but in the zone? After all, in any case, the tests should have shown that it was nothing, or there were no tests at all, like, well, I think it should work ...
    1. +12
      15 May 2023 04: 39
      I think the visors were made directly in the units, who will test the effectiveness there. this should have been done by the relevant research institutes with access to NATO weapons so that theories could be tested in practice. and in the regimental workshops, obviously for testing, there were no javelins, no nlau and other krysheboy
      1. +4
        15 May 2023 06: 27
        Quote: Graz
        I think the visors were made directly in the units, who will test the effectiveness there. this should have been done by the corresponding research institutes

        I also thought about this while reading the article. So the question is: why didn't they do it? There should be at least some recommendations (from the manufacturer's factory) for the correct installation of barbecues. And best of all, sets of visors produced at the factory itself. Well, since they cannot provide KAZ.
        1. +7
          15 May 2023 12: 31
          Quote: Stas157
          question: why didn't they do it?

          answer: when approaching a la "Ryabov Kirill", "all Western weapons are nonsense, will not be effective against our newest tanks", and even without access to this weapon (and why? .. It is a priori useless), spending money on research looks pointless when the result is already clear.

          And there are no responsible for the possible failure. Those who, on duty, are obliged to prepare "Plan B", check all alternative options. Just in case, for such a service, it is necessary to be vigilant.
      2. +5
        15 May 2023 11: 50
        In the course of the last 20 years, specialized research institutes have not been doing anything at all, except for the development of salaries.
    2. 0
      15 May 2023 06: 22
      Quote from Tim666
      interesting for this fraud, at least someone sat down not in the new Merc but in the zone

      And the crews of the tanks without exception ride in Mercedes ???
      Can't you see that this is pure amateur performance - they are all different even in the same unit !!!!
  3. +18
    15 May 2023 04: 24
    Javelins don't work, do they? And new modifications of tanks easily dodge them. At the beginning of the SVO, all the propaganda kept talking about this, and now we are fighting on the T-62 and T-54. We have only balabols and show-offs, shame ...
    1. -11
      15 May 2023 07: 02
      Quote from invisible_man
      Javelins don't work, do they? And new modifications of tanks easily dodge them. At the beginning of the NWO, all the propaganda was talking about this

      What kind of propaganda? Like idiots who are still talking nonsense, like squadrons of eagles against UAVs?
      Quote from invisible_man
      and now we are fighting on the T-62 and T-54
      Even the T-34 in the unit where according to the state there SHOULD NOT BE tanks at all, an awesome plus. Now give examples of T-62 and T-55 participating in assaults, or at least in units where tanks SHOULD BE in the state ...
      Quote from invisible_man
      We have only balabols
      Well, there are enough of them on the opposite side. Like you...
      1. +4
        15 May 2023 07: 47
        Now give examples of T-62 and T-55 participating in assaults

        What, you just woke up? The 62s have long been highlighted as trophies shot down and captured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Evidence to him) This site should be read more often at least)
        1. -12
          15 May 2023 07: 57
          Quote from invisible_man
          What, you just woke up? The 62s have long been highlighted as trophies shot down and captured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Evidence to him) This site should be read more often at least)
          And the Ukrainians also got the T-90MS, does this mean that the Russian Guard, for example, has the T-90MS in service?
          What doesn’t allow you to understand such simple things in general?
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Even the T-34 in the unit where in the state there SHOULD NOT BE tanks at all, awesome plus. Now give examples of T-62 and T-55 participating in assaults, or at least in units where tanks SHOULD BE in the state ...
          1. +2
            15 May 2023 08: 58
            Who told you that these tanks are in units that should not have them in the state? Do you have any idea what it means to ensure the combat operation of tanks? How many repair units, trucks for the transportation of shells, tankers, maintenance personnel, etc. are needed for this? Well, what are you like a child? The tanks are precisely in those units where the 72nd were partially knocked out and in the newly formed units, to which the tanks were assigned according to the state (but they are not given new ones because of the need to have at least some kind of strategic reserve).
            1. -10
              15 May 2023 09: 43
              Quote from invisible_man
              Who told you that these tanks are in units that should not have them in the state?

              Do you have any back information? There isn't her...

              Quote from invisible_man
              Tanks in precisely those parts where the 72nd were partially knocked out
              There is not a single video and photo of work on the front line of the T-62, not to mention the T-54, but the T-72 is enough. Well, write this
              after these words:
              Quote from invisible_man
              Do you have any idea what it means to ensure the combat operation of tanks? How many repair units, trucks for the transportation of shells, tankers, maintenance personnel, etc. are needed for this?

              complete stupidity, because unification will be only for fuel! Neither in terms of BC, nor in terms of spare parts, nor in terms of engines, or even in terms of crews - you naturally don’t understand simple things ... But just a single tank that you don’t mind abandoning, supplying a pair of BCs is much easier than ensuring the simultaneous operation of a heterogeneous one, even according to equipment projectiles.

              Quote from invisible_man
              in the newly formed units, to which the tanks are laid according to the state.
              What?! What are these newly formed units with T-62 tanks in the state ?!

              And the Ukrainians also got the T-90MS, does this mean that the Russian Guard, for example, has the T-90MS in service?
              What is there on the T-90MS, is it in service with the Russian Guard?
            2. 0
              15 May 2023 10: 26
              T62s are not used in the state of tank battalions. The interview of the T62 operator was used as a means of reinforcement, a mobile firing point. Tables for shooting from closed positions. And yes, they were abandoned, since they are freelance and difficult and pointless to evacuate in case of breakdowns.
              1. -8
                15 May 2023 10: 47
                Quote: Sorrow
                The interview of the T62 operator was used as a means of reinforcement, a mobile firing point. Tables for shooting from closed positions. And yes, they were abandoned, since they are freelance and difficult and pointless to evacuate in case of breakdowns.

                Don't stop the whistleblower from exposing! wink
              2. +4
                15 May 2023 13: 19
                T62s are not used in the state of tank battalions.

                What tank battalions do you expect to see as part of battalion tactical groups? A CONSOLIDATED company of tanks attached to the infantry?
                1. -4
                  15 May 2023 16: 40
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  A CONSOLIDATED company of tanks attached to the infantry?

                  A consolidated tank company ... Even in the Second World War, ours did not suffer from such garbage.
                  1. +2
                    15 May 2023 17: 29
                    A consolidated tank company ... Even in the Second World War, ours did not suffer from such garbage.

                    Well, I'm sorry that reality disappointed you.
                    And the mixed artillery divisions of the BTG, as they were in the Airborne Forces? Also news?
                    1. -1
                      16 May 2023 03: 41
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      Well, I'm sorry that reality disappointed you.

                      And what are consolidated tank companies, excluding captured tanks?

                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      And the mixed artillery divisions of the BTG, as they were in the Airborne Forces? Also news?
                      First, what does the artillery have to do with it? And secondly, this seems like news to you, because the PDP artillery battalions could include both self-propelled guns and self-propelled guns and towed guns and even Grads not only on shishigs, but also in the Urals. And more ATGMs.
                      1. -2
                        16 May 2023 09: 13
                        And what are consolidated tank companies, excluding captured tanks?

                        Of course have. Since 2012, this is generally a given.
                        First, what does the artillery have to do with it?

                        So that, using her example, you are not surprised at the presence of consolidated tank companies in the BTG.
                        And secondly, this seems like news to you, because the PDP artillery battalions could include both self-propelled guns and self-propelled guns and towed guns and even Grads not only on shishigs, but also in the Urals. And more ATGMs.

                        We look in the book, we see ...
                        I am aware of the staffing structure of the Armed Forces. It was about something else. Well, ATGMs in artillery divisions are strong.
                      2. 0
                        17 May 2023 04: 12
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And what are consolidated tank companies, excluding captured tanks?

                        Of course have. Since 2012, this is generally a given.

                        Will there be examples of a combined company with different types of tanks? Only it is not necessary to issue modifications for types.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        It was about something else.
                        What else are we talking about, about tanks in the NWO, you would still remember the combined air regiments ...

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Well, ATGMs in artillery divisions are strong.

                        You know the regular structure of the Armed Forces, but don’t you know that self-propelled anti-tank systems, and ATGMs in them, were part of the artillery structure of the Airborne Forces? Or just failed to search?
      2. +4
        15 May 2023 11: 52
        How do you think units that do not have tanks in the state will be able to provide maintenance for a freelance T-55? Enlighten us please.
        1. -2
          15 May 2023 15: 36
          Quote: cast iron
          How do you think units that do not have tanks in the state will be able to provide maintenance for a freelance T-55? Enlighten us please.

          As well as units in which, according to the state of T-72, nothing. More precisely, until the first serious breakdown. Only it’s not particularly a pity to quit, unlike the T-72.
          1. +1
            15 May 2023 19: 16
            Do you feel sorry for the crew too? For an infantry commander who was given the T54 reinforcement, this is good. And for the crew that was put instead of 72ki in ancient junk, how is it? good or bad?
            1. -1
              16 May 2023 04: 03
              Quote: Arsen1
              Do you feel sorry for the crew too? For an infantry commander who was given the T54 reinforcement, this is good. And for the crew that was put instead of 72ki in ancient junk, how is it? good or bad?

              Armor saves blood in the first place, and secondly, the tasks for the T-72 and T-55 are very different. Although if there is a commander like you who does not understand the difference between tanks, then yes, the T-55 will not live long ...
              1. 0
                16 May 2023 14: 00
                It saves blood only if it is an obstacle to the main means of destruction of equipment of this kind, and not just the nominal thickness of steel, but ATGMs do not always and not always hold in all projections even the latest modifications of the 23rd year T-80BVM, T -90M and T-72B3M, and this is only with regards to booking, about mobility, the reserve of the running gear and the engine, the condition of the barrel, the observation and firing systems, there is no need to talk and compare, all the more, the latter does not completely exclude that someone will think of it or will forced to use the tank as a tank, regardless of its age
                1. 0
                  17 May 2023 03: 17
                  Quote: Materialist
                  ATGMs, by no means always and not in all projections, even hold the latest modifications of the 23rd year T-80BVM, T-90M and T-72B3M

                  Are Gvozdiki and Rapiers a big obstacle for ATGMs? Once again, for the especially gifted, a sane commander of the T-55 will not be used as a main battle tank.
                  1. -1
                    17 May 2023 16: 00
                    Do you notice the difference between towed barrels and a tank? It may not be used as a tank, or there may be a need for the latter, regardless of adequacy and for lack of other means
                    1. 0
                      17 May 2023 16: 12
                      Quote: Materialist
                      Do you notice the difference between towed barrels and a tank?

                      Carnation - ACS.
                      Quote: Materialist
                      regardless of the adequacy and in the absence of other means
                      And then why lament about armor resistance? Where is the logic then? I’m not talking about knowledge of the subject, according to Armata it’s clear ...
                      1. 0
                        17 May 2023 16: 35
                        Lamentations about armor resistance due to the fact that the tank, no matter how strange it may be, can be used as a tank even if it is outdated, because there is a technical ability to move and fire on its own
                        Yes, according to Armata, it is clear that you either have no idea about the dimensions of tank armor or an awareness of the size of the towers
                      2. 0
                        17 May 2023 18: 14
                        Quote: Materialist
                        Lamentations about armor resistance due to the fact that the tank, no matter how strange it may be, can be used as a tank even if it is outdated, because there is a technical ability to move and fire on its own

                        It is better to use even an unimportant tank as a tank than an armored personnel carrier as a tank, or self-propelled guns as a tank. But once again, the commander who sets tasks for the T-55 as for the T-72 is incompetent.
                        Quote: Materialist
                        Yes, according to Armata, it is clear that you either have no idea about the dimensions of tank armor or an awareness of the size of the towers
                        Yes, I see your comment. And now I understand that you are just stupid.
                      3. 0
                        17 May 2023 19: 59
                        The economic situation of the industry is not subject to the commander, he uses what is given to him, he is initially limited by the funds available in the units, and if they are not enough or they are unsuitable for their intended use, but if the order is given, he, regardless of his competence, will throw everything into battle what is available, and will achieve success only to the extent that effective means are given to it
  4. -4
    15 May 2023 04: 43
    which in the future will still require some radical solutions, but not in the conditions of repair shops, but somewhere at a higher level, in the Moscow Region and design bureaus.

    Well, the layout of the Almaty is one of the effective answers to the roof-breakers.
  5. +4
    15 May 2023 06: 54
    I read the comments, everyone has the same thought - amateur performance, and not effective. Dear members of the forum, if our warriors "collectively farm" these screens, then there is some use for them, then they help to keep the crew capable. After all, an experienced crew is more important than a tank, or two, or five.
  6. +4
    15 May 2023 06: 59
    In the course of hostilities, naturally, each crew begins to take measures to ensure that the tank and themselves are safe in the first place. And what remains to be done if at one time they did not provide protection from a blow from above, and some had problems with dynamic protection? Just turn on the minder. Someone helped and the innovation went to the troops.
  7. +5
    15 May 2023 07: 05
    Well.
    it's all clear.

    But if all the PR-experts-promisers who broadcast that Amer’s anti-tank rifles are neknd, chemras are nonsense, UAVs are nonsense, and in general 80% of us new equipment would be exiled to Kolyma, cut down the forest (for deceit, fraud for money) would be better
  8. +1
    15 May 2023 07: 09
    KAZ should protect from roof-breakers on Armata. But with the layout of the T-14, not everything is clear.
    1. 0
      15 May 2023 12: 31
      not with the layout, but a lot of questions about the protection of the tower, many write that in fact it is practically bulletproof and that this is a very weak point
    2. -1
      15 May 2023 19: 45
      KAZ should protect from roof-breakers on Armata.

      It is impossible to send KAZ to Armata, all devices will be immediately damaged, i.e. KAZ is disposable just in case.
  9. +4
    15 May 2023 07: 49
    While still studying as a cadet, almost 20 years ago, I read a smart article about our dynamic protection. It was originally designed on the basis of incorrect intelligence about the penetration of Western shells and anti-tank missiles. She lags behind by 150-200mm, when they realized this, everything was already serial, approved, awards received. Since then, everything seems to be lagging behind. And you are talking about roofs, they were not involved at all.
  10. +8
    15 May 2023 08: 11
    Javelin-type anti-tank weapons appeared a long time ago. I am absolutely sure that since the appearance of the Javelins, a lot of military experts have proposed working out measures to protect our tanks. And drones did not appear yesterday. Now the whole world sees what lamp-bearing professionals are sitting in the Moscow Region. But our warriors are suffering - iron tanks can be made, but burnt crews? The reasons for the losses are simple - the generals responsible for the development, refinement, in this case, tanks do not care about the lives of soldiers. And, not only because they have few convolutions in their brains - this is understandable! They are concerned about their well-being - they have more than enough convolutions for this. It is these "wise men", led by the chief "tank biathlete", who are forcing the soldiers to make some kind of protective equipment from improvised materials. And these self-made devices, absolutely clear, are better than nothing at all ... It's sad that there is absolutely no responsibility for what they have done - that's how the system works ...
  11. +9
    15 May 2023 08: 37
    T-54B in the southern direction of the Northern Military District, some of the tanks are equipped with unique double braziers with turf.



    1. 0
      15 May 2023 10: 40
      forge se..
      and there are comments - why two?
      land, apparently for camouflage. gravel in bags was added by some.
      the front struts must be shortened in any case - in tests, the javelin from above hit the forehead directly on the front tip of the lower grille
    2. +1
      15 May 2023 13: 32
      It should help against grenades dropped from drones, there the power is small and the hatch from the drone closes
  12. +4
    15 May 2023 08: 51
    Quote: Tikhonov_Alexander
    Javelin-type anti-tank weapons appeared a long time ago. I am absolutely sure that since the appearance of the Javelins, a lot of military experts have proposed working out measures to protect our tanks. And drones did not appear yesterday. Now the whole world sees what lamp-bearing professionals are sitting in the Moscow Region. But our warriors are suffering - iron tanks can be made, but burnt crews? The reasons for the losses are simple - the generals responsible for the development, refinement, in this case, tanks do not care about the lives of soldiers. And, not only because they have few convolutions in their brains - this is understandable! They are concerned about their well-being - they have more than enough convolutions for this. It is these "wise men", led by the chief "tank biathlete", who are forcing the soldiers to make some kind of protective equipment from improvised materials. And these self-made devices, absolutely clear, are better than nothing at all ... It's sad that there is absolutely no responsibility for what they have done - that's how the system works ...

    Americans, by the way, say that the most valuable thing in a tank is its crew. And this is not out of humanism, but because training a crew to a pro level costs more than the tank itself ...
  13. -2
    15 May 2023 08: 53
    Well, in general, there is still no effective passive protection against tandem ATGMs for roof strikes, therefore, the only way to reduce tank losses in the current situation is to create a barrage of artillery that will suppress and destroy the positions of enemy ATGMs. In the future, active protection could help, but now it is not available in mass quantities, as evidenced by the massive welding of "barbecues".
    1. +6
      15 May 2023 09: 56
      the only way to reduce tank losses in the current situation is to create a fire shaft with artillery, which will suppress and destroy the positions of enemy anti-tank systems.

      Why then a tank? If the "barrage" destroys the ATGM crews, then it will destroy the infantry with artillery.
      1. 0
        9 July 2023 17: 01
        The shaft does not destroy, but suppresses foreign infantry for a short time - until its own infantry reaches foreign trenches. And the artillery is far behind, 3 kilometers away. It is not suppressed by a shaft, but a little differently.
  14. 0
    15 May 2023 08: 54
    Article idle judgment! The effectiveness of this device can be assessed by having "on hand" statistical data, but they are not! then what to discuss
    Here it would be more appropriate to compare them with lattice screens on tanks and other equipment, which with a probability of about 50% can work out qualitatively against a very narrow range of attacking projectiles. Sometime it really works out and saves the lives of the crew and the tank itself, but sometime it doesn’t.

    Well, you can stop at this, 50% is not a little at all, and the tandem does not have 100%. Another thing is that KAZ would raise this percentage of security even higher! But unfortunately, we did not bother to give this worthy attention and provide our army with this, however, like many others.
  15. +2
    15 May 2023 08: 57
    Quote: Graz
    I think the visors were made directly in the units, who will test the effectiveness there. this should have been done by the relevant research institutes with access to NATO weapons so that theories could be tested in practice. and in the regimental workshops, obviously for testing, there were no javelins, no nlau and other krysheboy

    Peaks-barbecues appeared before the start of the NWO, by the way, they were supposed to be filled with paving slabs, and were widely promoted by bloggers, they seemed to glow on the Star.
  16. -6
    15 May 2023 09: 31
    All these barbecues are a palliative. The concept should change - it should become unmanned. Automatic detection and selection of targets, automatic guidance and fire can already be provided now. By reducing the weight of the armor, such a tank will become lighter and more maneuverable, the silhouette will decrease.
  17. 0
    15 May 2023 10: 10
    Any samopal is made out of desperation. From the fact that things developed decades ago have not been implemented. For example, KAZ "Arena-M". Who cares - https://pl.spb.ru/oegallery/item.php?ID=13863
  18. +1
    15 May 2023 10: 11
    I don’t know if it’s good or bad, but if I were a tanker, I would also rattle such a visor (it would be calmer in my soul)
  19. 0
    15 May 2023 10: 19
    I think that the West will be puzzled by the same thing .. and pretty soon. We need both KAZ and the topic "visors should be calculated by designers when designing towers. "Penny" quadrocopters drop "penny" grenades on tanks .... and this is still handicraft. And industrial developments with normal ammunition and control and guidance systems will definitely come here.
  20. 0
    15 May 2023 10: 48
    Quote: Eduard Perov
    All these visors and other barbecues are the result of the emergence and wide spread of new types of threats on the battlefield, which in the future will still require some radical decisions

    recourse
    FGM-148 Javelin entered service in 1996, began to be used in Iraq and Afghanistan
    This video has already rubbed a callus for 13-15 years

    Began to be delivered to Ukraine from 2021 (or 2020)
    NLAW produced since 2009, Finland from 2010, Sweden since 2009, Ukraine since January 19, 2022
    But in 2023 "it will still require"
    Pysy Strelkov -Girkin posts:
  21. -5
    15 May 2023 11: 38
    Peaks are of course not effective, as are cartridge cases with coals. Add. protection should be done with high quality and (not on the father ...) for show. The roof of the tower must be reinforced with sections of combined (inflatable) armor of the NERA type. On top of her DZ K-5. This will give resistance to a cumulative of 500-1000 mm, depending on the angle of the meeting. Those. this is protection against NLAW, and with luck, also against Java. For Java, make a heat trap in the form of a stern overhang - a plate with an electric heater. Cover the MTO area with thermal insulation. Well, in a good way, to protect the MTO, make an extension of the stern of the tower with remote sensing.
    1. +2
      15 May 2023 12: 00
      I suggest you join the design bureau for the production of tanks. You are good with fantasy.
      1. 0
        15 May 2023 16: 12
        better give the initiator money and let the idea come to life.
    2. 0
      15 May 2023 16: 11
      Why TEN? A tin box on a hinge with a pair of wheels for copying the relief, where to remove the exhaust gases...
  22. +1
    15 May 2023 12: 01
    Although, it must be admitted, there are still people who seriously talk about the great prospects for all-round protected tanks weighing under a hundred tons.

    Confused by the mass of the tank or the ability to invest all-round protection in it?
  23. +1
    15 May 2023 14: 32
    Quote: North Caucasus
    Or you can just change the concept of the tank. Of course, you can make a brazier a hut or a cone for throwing falling objects. You can make a tank in the shape of a turtle where the top will be a hemisphere with a vertical slot for the barrel. And you can make an unmanned tank. Today, there is a war of drones and everything is moving towards a wider use of unmanned vehicles. A tank with a crew follows the drone. The drone is controlled by its driver. Loading with automatic loader. Guidance from a tank with a crew. Today shells are loaded into the tank through the top. And you need to do it like a machine gun with a horn. They pulled out the empty clip, inserted the full one. Or they opened the hatch, inserting a new clip of shells, squeezing out the empty one. Need to think.

    What about EW? Unmanned tanks will be subject to it, so besides the fact that with such a tank control can be broken or even completely lost, there is still a risk of interception of control and automatic capture by the enemy.
  24. +2
    15 May 2023 15: 34
    Quote: North Caucasus
    Or you can just change the concept of the tank

    "Just" is not the right word here. It is not at all easy to change the concept. Changing the concept means changing a lot of technical solutions, and these are risks. One result of ignoring such risks, fit only for the parade, already exists.
  25. +1
    15 May 2023 15: 38
    Quote: Proctologist
    For protection against drones, KAZ looks promising

    Well, how to put air defense on the tank is also a so-so idea - it increases the cost, complicates it. IMHO.
  26. 0
    15 May 2023 15: 50
    Quote: WindSurfer
    What about EW? Unmanned tanks will be subject to it

    Distance matters, if your tank is controlled from another tank at a distance of 50-100 meters, then the electronic warfare must be either heavy duty or be somewhere very close. Offhand, it should be a helicopter with electronic warfare flying over the battlefield. but such a helicopter will not live long. I certainly don't want to say that a radio controlled tank is a good idea. It’s just that he doesn’t need to be afraid of electronic warfare.
  27. 0
    15 May 2023 16: 09
    Centners of dynamic protection or a three-kilogram shotgun?
    .
    Nabiulina will never give money for R&D.
  28. 0
    15 May 2023 17: 30
    Leonkov-Shurygin-Barants, and Korotchenko loader, Zhuravlev commander, and this crew near Artemovsk, in 2 weeks we will listen to their next bright nonsense about javelins and leopards ...
  29. +3
    15 May 2023 19: 05
    Dynamics overhead, and the hatches are open, boobies.
  30. -2
    15 May 2023 22: 49
    But a crutch is also a crutch in Africa. All these visors and other barbecues are the result of the emergence and wide spread of new types of threats on the battlefield, which in the future will still require some radical solutions, but not in the conditions of repair shops, but somewhere at a higher level, in the Ministry of Defense and design bureaus .

    Well, it turns out that there are only two and a half options for solving it ...
    The first is to leave the visors, to study the experience of their operation both at the front and in the rear (at training grounds and in design bureaus). Refine, implement again, try again, study again, etc.
    The second option is to simply spit on the tanks. Refuse them completely, as long as the "shield" is clearly losing to the "sword".
    The remaining "semi-option" is to change the entire tactics of using tanks. To do this, it is necessary to replace the infantry with drones, quadrocopters, infantry fighting vehicles, air defense systems and other vehicles, so that they take on the functions of suppressing anti-tank and simple enemy infantry, equipment and aviation. And with artillery support. With high-quality intelligence and communications. Crap! This is already some kind of network-centric war, it turns out ... Oh, no ... Some kind of nonsense!
  31. -1
    15 May 2023 23: 40
    Arena!!!!!



    But ... alas and ah ... where is this archaic device ???

    and therefore we recall the film "The Adventures of Pinocchio", where when the song is sung
    "Tell me what his name is - Boo.....Ra....Ti....But!! BURATINO""
    So in this fragment we leave the music right there ... instead of BUARTINO we put the words ARENA.

    "Tell me his name (parapapabampa) A...RE...ON!! ARENA! ARENA!!

    In short, ARENA - where are you?????
    otherwise they began to put visors on the tanks with DZ blocks .. and, like, even no one says that the infantry.
    cut with fragments from these blocks ...

    Who enters the house with a good fairy tale, good
    Who is known to everyone since childhood,
    Who is not a scientist, not a poet,
    And conquered the whole wide world.
    Who is known everywhere
    Tell me what is his name?
    ARENA,
    ARENA.

    On his head is a cap, angry
    But the enemy will be fooled
    He will show his nose to the villains,
    And make your friends laugh.
    He will be here very soon.
    Tell me what is his name?
    ARENA,
    ARENA.

    He is surrounded by human rumor, tongue
    He is not a toy, he is alive
    In his hands is the key to happiness,
    And that's why he's so lucky.
    All songs about him are sung,
    Tell me what is his name?
    ARENA,
    ARENA,
    ARENA,
    ARENA fellow



    really a song about the active protection complex ARENA !!!!
    they roll it around exhibitions, show everyone, demonstrate how it works ..
    but...
    The song told us everything about him!
    fellow
  32. 0
    16 May 2023 00: 23
    I don’t know how effective visors are against javelins. After all, they do not dive vertically down on the target, but at an angle of 30 - 45 degrees, depending on the mode. In most cases, he will dive under the visor.
  33. 0
    16 May 2023 00: 38
    but it wasn’t yesterday that these javelins and other roof-breakers appeared. Our designers could have come up with something more serious than these clumsy visors in 30 years. We, as always, how to harness so kick. When we begin to lose people and equipment, only then we begin to itch.
  34. 0
    14 July 2023 17: 55
    I don’t understand why not put a makeshift Claymore analogue with a simple remote detonation system on the roof of the tank. KAZ will come out for three kopecks.
    It is clear that the sides cannot be protected by this, but God himself ordered the roof
  35. 0
    24 July 2023 20: 46
    These canopies with remote sensing can save the tank and crew from cumulative ammunition dropped from quadrocopters. So why not install them? Something is better than nothing at all.