BAZ-S36A11 - "oilman" with combat potential

BAZ-S36A11. Source: baz32.ru

Unusual asset of Almaz-Antey

The Russian automotive industry does not often please with new products, especially since February 22 last year. unexpectedly pleasant news they came from where they did not expect - from the Almaz-Antey defense concern. Under the traditionally difficult to pronounce index S36A11, a prototype heavy truck BAZ debuted. The name of the novelty indicates the Bryansk Automobile Plant, but the truck has a very indirect relationship to the enterprise.

The development was carried out by a specialized engineering center of the Obukhov plant in St. Petersburg. Until recently, the enterprise had nothing to do with the automotive industry - in the production line there are exclusively command posts for missilemen. Nevertheless, it was this division of Almaz-Antey that was assigned the automotive theme. And long before the special operation.

In January last year, the E-Neva electric car was rolled out to the general public, in the development of which specialists from the St. Petersburg Polytechnic University took part. The chassis and power plant were built at the Obukhov plant. The machine turned out to be elite - the power of two electric motors is an impressive 435 hp. with., and the interior is crammed with advanced multimedia. For example, there is a trendy projection display. Even before the events of the special operation, the cost of an electric car went far beyond three, or even five million rubles. At the same time, most of the components are imported. The project has not yet been officially closed, and it managed to have a competitor.

In Naberezhnye Chelny, at the beginning of May 2023, a compact electric car Atom was shown. The machine is made much more modest than the St. Petersburg counterpart, but even here we can talk about the Russian origin of the components very conditionally - the traction battery and electric motors are imported. And they are far from the only ones in the design. Developers from the Kama company claim that the car will go into production in the next couple of years.

Conversion games from Almaz-Antey. Powerful electric car E-Neva from the Obukhov plant. Source: autoreview.ru

One can argue about the prospects of electric vehicles in Russia, including those produced by Almaz-Antey, for a long time. The future of the BAZ-S36A11 heavy truck, made with virtually no imported parts, looks much more real. The design is based on a solid frame and independent suspensions of the military four-axle BAZ-6909 Voshchina-1. The latter is well known in the army and mastered in production.

"Voshchina", which is classified as a "special wheeled chassis", in various versions works as a tank carrier, transporter of various weapons and a simple ballast tractor. Axles adapted for a civilian truck can withstand up to 12 tons. The BAZ-S36A11 diesel engine is domestic YaMZ-6531 with a capacity of 422 hp. With. This most powerful in the line of 6-cylinder engines from Yaroslavl is a licensed copy of the French Renault dCi 11. Unfortunately, the designers could not find a torque converter corresponding to the class of equipment, and the BAZ-S36A11 is content with the YaMZ-1909 manual gearbox. The nine-speed unit is capable of digesting up to 1900 Nm, which is almost twice as much as the proposed power plant. The unit is equipped with a lowering row, as well as the possibility of power take-off, which increases the versatility of the machine.

At the Obukhov plant, they were able to quickly develop a frame-panel cabin with fiberglass outer panels. This design significantly complicates the conveyor production of the truck, but it is still a noticeable, even phenomenal achievement for the Russian automotive industry. Just look at the Kama Automobile Plant, which for all the time has not been able to create a new truck cab. I had to borrow the Mercedes, and the old one is still being produced.

Civil tank carrier

As mentioned above, the BAZ-S36A11 is a heavy all-wheel drive truck designed to replace imported vehicles that have fallen out of the Russian market. First of all, the most extreme versions of MAN, Mercedes-Benz, Scania and Volvo. Moreover, the emphasis is not on carrying capacity - for the Russian novelty it barely exceeds 22 tons, but on high cross-country ability and endurance.

BAZ-S36A11. Source: baz32.ru

The authors of the project say that the truck is intended for the domestic oil sector, hence the adaptation to climatic conditions. The spacious sleeper cab has climate control and an autonomous heater. Both units are Russian-made. We must pay tribute to the managers of Almaz-Antey - the car appeared just in time. Firstly, none of the Russian automakers has offered or plans to offer a truck of this class. KamAZ-65221, which is similar in purpose, does not reach 29 tons with a gross weight, while at BAZ the same figure reaches 35,7 tons. And the bridges at KamAZ are not designed for similar loads.

Secondly, truck factories in Russia are now loaded to capacity. Everyone is well aware of what orders. For example, only Miass "Ural" still cannot recruit production staff. We have to negotiate with the Federal Penitentiary Service and bring local prisoners serving sentences under light articles to the assembly line. Due to the high pace of production, the Bryansk Automobile Plant itself is also experiencing difficulties with personnel - since November last year, free training for residents of Bryansk with subsequent employment has been announced. As a result, there was no one to develop and build a heavy class all-wheel drive truck. Where, then, will they produce a new product, if all the capacities in the country are reserved?

In early May, the Almaz-Antey Corporation handed over the idle Toyota plant in Shushary near St. Petersburg. The management immediately transferred the asset to the Obukhov plant for the production of BAZ-S36A11. That's how the manufacturer of the best air defense in the world suddenly became the owner of the automobile business. Most likely, in the hands of the corporation will be the production of a full cycle. And finally, the third reason why the new car is so timely is the Chinese. Automakers from China feel very comfortable not only in the passenger car market (here, to be honest, Russian factories have nothing to cover the threat with), but also in the truck segment. At the end of February, Avtostat published stunning statistics, according to which Chinese cars own 60 percent of the truck market. KamAZ seriously intends to ask for protective duties from the eastern giant. There was a paradox of the transfer of Russian industry to a war footing - trucking automobile plants work 24/7, but the share in the civilian sector goes to Chinese companies. And without the initiative of the Obukhov plant, the niche of heavy "rogues" would have left SITRAK, Shacman / Shaanxi, FAW and Howo.

The new BAZ can in one fell swoop replace all three tank carriers used on the NVO

If you look closely at the BAZ-S36A11, one more path of the car will become clear - a multi-purpose army truck. A sort of substitute for the Soviet KrAZ, standing one step below the traditional products of the Bryansk Automobile Plant. From a car with such a wheel arrangement and considerable thrust-to-weight ratio, an excellent tank tractor. Recall that in Russia it was not possible to create a satisfactory tank transporter. Kamaz's "Platform-O" has not got rid of its overly innovative sores, and the four-axle bonneted Ural-6308 is too complicated and expensive to manufacture. The BAZ has an independent suspension of all wheels, which will significantly increase the mobility of the road train in a special operation. Now Russian tanks are transported in the NVO zone on three vehicles - the heavy and expensive BAZ-6403.01, the three-axle and all-wheel drive KamAZ-65221 and the highway KamAZ-65225. The recipe is simple - to deploy the mass production of the new BAZ at the facilities of the departed Toyota, and to free the rest of the plants from the topic of tank carriers. But even without a saddle for a trawl, the BAZ-S36A11 has a lot of work in the army. With such a suspension, “heavy” axles and power, the car is welcome everywhere. It is only necessary to solve the problem with the fiberglass cabin - this solution from the word does not suit the military at all. And one more thing - it is better to tie Almaz-Antey with electric vehicles. It's not good at a time like this.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

I watched the video, it turned out to be a cool device. Maybe they will squeeze at least a little bit Photons with Schatzmans ...

[Civil]

Import duties were introduced especially for Western auto giants ... and they were never lifted ... apparently they decided to stir up this scheme with the Chinese further ... The Ministry of Industry and Trade does not teach anything.

[Bad_gr]

At one time, Serdyukov, being on the board of directors of Kamaz, tried to place almost all orders for military vehicles at the production facilities of Kamaz. We are still disentangling the results of the actions of this figure. They tried to replace MAZs with a long platform, but they entrusted this matter not to BAZ, which was close in its specifics, but to KAMAZ, the result of which can be seen in Platform-O. "Shell-S" was developed as a further development of "Tunguska", but for some reason, they decided to place this complex on a wheeled chassis and stuck it on the KAMAZ chassis and a bunch of pictures appeared on the Internet, where this complex lies on its side due to the fact that this combination (complex-chassis) has a too high center of gravity. In addition, due to the rocking, this air defense system lost the ability to fire cannons on the move. But there was an option for placing "Pantsir-S" on the BAZ chassis, which does not suffer from such jambs. Might be worth remembering?

"Voshchina", which is classified as a "special wheeled chassis", in various versions works as a tank carrier, transporter of various weapons and a simple ballast tractor. Axles adapted for a civilian truck can withstand up to 12 tons. The BAZ-S36A11 diesel engine is domestic YaMZ-6531 with a capacity of 422 hp. With. This most powerful 6-cylinder engine from Yaroslavl is a licensed copy of the French Renault dCi 11. Unfortunately, the designers could not find a torque converter corresponding to the class of technology., and the BAZ-S36A11 is content with the YaMZ-1909 manual gearbox. The nine-speed unit is capable of digesting up to 1900 Nm, which is almost twice as much as the proposed power plant. The unit is equipped with a lowering row, as well as the possibility of power take-off, which increases the versatility of the machine.

And here, I would say, a whole bunch of BAZ managers. The Russian company KATE, founded in 2004, offered all automobile plants its developments of automatic automatic transmissions. But no, each plant wants to introduce its own boxes. By the way, KATE boxes do not have torque converters, but it is their boxes that are now installed on government Auruses.

[Alekseev]

It's high time to use BAZ in civilian life.
This is not a mainline tractor, it has its own niche. Work in difficult road conditions.
As for the "search for a hydraulic transformer", you can find it if you wish. Torque converters transmitting such power have been used for many decades on Maz-537 tractors. BMP-3 and others.
But is he needed? Now automatic switching is widely used in conventional manual transmissions (robots), they are cheaper. Or, for steepness, you can take a planetary gearbox
with hydraulic control, as on tanks or Aurus. Or tractor from K-700, also with friction clutches running in oil. But why? The price, however, will bite.
May God grant the new BASE a successful road.

[UltraTotenkopF]

The appearance of "Shell-S" on the KAMAZ chassis with lobbying for the interests of some groups is possible and takes place, but the main thing that has become the main choice of the chassis is the deplorable state of the BAZ plant, and the second important factor is that BAZ cannot be used on public roads, and to cover the S-400 complexes on the march and in the areas of the Pantsir-S PD, these very roads are needed!

[Sevastiec]

How cool, time will tell. But I didn’t understand: what happened on February 22 last year?

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Good news, and now drive it to the stream and more.

[Konnick]

It is only necessary to solve the problem with the fiberglass cabin

And which military? At one time I rode a ZIL-135, where the cabin was fiberglass, there was even an automatic transmission.

And why not resume production of the BAZ-135, it was distinguished by the fact that it had a mechanical gearbox, was it produced there? And ZiL was successfully turned into an amusement park, about the times, l morals. Two engines, on each side, independent suspension of all wheels ... in a word, the car was made to load galoshes. And this one don’t understand what to leave for exhibitions in Dubai, our sawmills.

[Amateur]

A Russian can do anything, of any complexity, but only in 1 copy in order to curry favor with his superiors and show off in public. But in mass production, as a rule, all this will go to the bottom.
(They say that this is a German expression. But I, a Russian, completely agree with him.

[Oleg Ogorod]

A car plant and a heavy truck plant are completely different industries. From the word in general.
Therefore, what they will do there on the former Toyota is a mystery shrouded in darkness. We have already passed the Yo-mobile.
And the desire of Kamaz to introduce protective duties on Chinese trucks is incomprehensible, if now the plant itself is fully loaded with orders for six months in advance.

[Alexey RA]

In early May, the Almaz-Antey Corporation handed over the idle Toyota plant in Shushary near St. Petersburg. The management immediately transferred the asset to the Obukhov plant for the production of BAZ-S36A11. That's how the manufacturer of the best air defense in the world suddenly became the owner of the automobile business.

Almaz-Antey became the owner of the automobile business eight years ago - when the concern decided not to tie 100% to the Belarusian chassis from the MZKT and acquired the bankrupt BAZ. Then some comrades reproached Russia for almost betraying Belarus - how dare you make the chassis yourself, you are obliged to purchase them from us.

[Dimon-chik-79]

Kamaz's "Platform-O" has not got rid of its overly innovative sores, and the four-axle bonneted Ural-6308 is too complicated and expensive to manufacture.

here's the most annoying thing, that x .. a yard of money was shoved into this exotic, and the exhaust was zero, especially with the Platform it turned out interesting

The growing lag of the multipurpose tactical trucks of the Russian army (KamAZ and Ural) from the world leaders is largely due to the generous funding of Platform-O.

In total, the costs for the development and production of cars of a promising family are estimated at 10 billion rubles (source - the publication "Military Industrial Courier", author - Alexander Privalov, editor-in-chief of the "Automobile catalog").

Since 2019, the Russian army has been in service (more precisely, in trial operation) now with 5 Kamaz-7950 missile carriers. It is not planned to buy more, since the cars are complex, unreliable, equipped with foreign units and extremely expensive. Vehicles with Yars missiles do not go on combat duty, but play an insignificant role as auxiliary chassis.

https://topwar.ru/178767-jelektrohod-platforma-o-glavnyj-proval-rossijskogo-voennogo-avtomobilestroenija.html
Yes, all this variegation only creates difficulties in the operation of vehicles in the army and places an unreasonable burden on the budget. It is necessary to come to a single pattern. BAZ means BAZ, reliable, entirely domestic, relatively simple and not so expensive! even an armored cab!
And by the way, this applies not only to tank carriers, but also to other trucks and, of course, military equipment, such as infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, the variety of which is now huge. But what can I say if some of the tanks participating in the NWO (T-62, exotic T-64 should not be written off, T-72, T-80, T-90, photos of T-55 in echelon still roam the net)) total 5!!! Armata and T-55 are still in question.

[bayard]

Quote: Dimon-chik-79

Armata and T-55 are still in question.

T-55s are already arriving without question (albeit in limited quantities) in the NVO zone, and are used as fire reinforcements for infantry and for firing, incl. from closed positions.
The reason is the lack of shells for the main calibers, while shells for 100 mm. and 115 mm. there are a lot of guns of the T-55 and T-62 tanks in the warehouses.
Have you noticed how often even in commercials from NVO MBT they fire from closed positions? But this is the execution and wear of the barrels and the consumption of non-endless 125 mm shells. caliber . So they decided to dilute them and supplement them with older brothers, for whose guns there are enough shells, and indeed an extra barrel in a war is only in favor.
So until the shell hunger is eliminated, those guns will be used, for which there are a lot of shells in warehouses. And this is normal.
And with "Armata" everything is also clear - this is a concept, raw, unfinished, without a reliable engine, which can be effectively used only in combination with a number of machines and systems that do not exist. And the combat value and the ratio to the price is very doubtful, at least with such a weapon. So until everything else is ready for this machine, it makes sense to go back to 152mm. gun in the concept of the T-95 tank. Then all these costs and attempts can be justified by an acceptable result.

[mz]

The BAZ-S36A11 diesel engine is domestic YaMZ-6531 with a capacity of 422 hp. With. .... and BAZ-S36A11 is content with the YaMZ-1909 manual gearbox. The nine-speed unit is capable of digesting up to 1900 Nm, which is almost twice as much as the proposed power plant.
I will correct the author: YaMZ-6531 - 367 hp, cr. the moment is 1800 Nm, so the YaMZ-1909 checkpoint is almost at the limit. YaMZ-653 - 422 hp, 2000 Nm - the specified gearbox will not withstand.

[deddem]

Quote: Alexey RA

In early May, the Almaz-Antey Corporation handed over the idle Toyota plant in Shushary near St. Petersburg. The management immediately transferred the asset to the Obukhov plant for the production of BAZ-S36A11. That's how the manufacturer of the best air defense in the world suddenly became the owner of the automobile business.

Almaz-Antey became the owner of the automobile business eight years ago - when the concern decided not to tie 100% to the Belarusian chassis from the MZKT and acquired the bankrupt BAZ. Then some comrades reproached Russia for almost betraying Belarus - how dare you make the chassis yourself, you are obliged to purchase them from us.

BAZ did not go bankrupt (although some people on the Kama would be very happy about this), the efficient owner there was tired of messing with the asset and he was going to stupidly liquidate it.
And Almaz-Antey was tired of messing with Remdizel's belongings in conditions when the tap with the Belarusians was almost blocked by the joint efforts of Rygorych and our Defense Ministry.

[svp67]

If, according to the "basic" tradition, they do not move the cab forward a little to remove the wheel from under it, then it will be bad

[KSVK]

Quote: Konnick

And ZiL was successfully turned into an amusement park

Not to the park, but to the ZIL-ART residential complex. When will this old Moscow crack from the number of people living in it. Although the hernia has already come out in the form of TinAO.
On the subject, we've always had problems with gearboxes. They were always made without reserve. And the Yaroslavl motors are quite for themselves. That's capitalism in action. It would be impossible to cooperate with KamAZ, their boxes showed themselves well and their "halves" are more convenient than those of MAZ. In general, it pleases us that something is still alive in our country, in terms of the automotive industry. Only defective managers would not be allowed to ... Dreams, dreams ....

[Zaurbek]

By the way, KAMAZ has a division that puts instead of bridges - an independent and controlled suspension with pneumatic as you like. Kamaz itself (it seems to be recovering from sanctions) has more opportunities in terms of standard sizes and diesel power than the rest. The power of P6 from Kamaz is from 450 -750 hp and they plan to license the Vichai R6 diesel engine for 850 hp.
BAZ is primarily a heavy truck project for public roads. By the way, maybe a carrier of something like the Shell. I would like to see 8x8 and 10x10

[NOMADE]

How did you get with the protective duties. As they could not do in 20 years with state subsidies and duties (they crap), so immediately block it! As competitors with their left, so immediately, Lada Vesta under 2 million rubles !! clowns

[ZAV69]

Quote: NOMADE

As soon as the competitors left, Lada Vesta cost 2 million rubles!! Clowns

So, have you gone far? Car transporters loaded along the highway just scurry around. They stopped collecting from us, they bring gray imports.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The cabover layout is of little use for military purposes. For repairs, you have to tilt the cab to gain access to the engine and units. And in the event of a mine explosion, the bonnet layout is preferable.

[Evgeny Fedorov]

It looks like the first review of the car