Climb: new tactics for using the Geran-2 UAV will make it possible to deplete Ukrainian air defense as much as possible

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Climb: new tactics for using the Geran-2 UAV will make it possible to deplete Ukrainian air defense as much as possible

The massive use of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of the Geran-2 kamikaze by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (RF Armed Forces) has become one of the most significant events in the history of the special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine. For a while, it seemed that the stocks of these UAVs were endless, but then the intensity of strikes decreased significantly - of course, the supply of any means of armed struggle is finite. Despite the fact that the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV is much cheaper than “real” cruise missiles (CR), such as the Caliber or aviation KR X-101, not to mention this weapons, like missiles of the Iskander and Dagger complexes, we cannot yet produce them in thousands or tens of thousands a month, although this is exactly what we need to strive for, however, in some quantities, the Geran-2 UAVs are still in stock, are being produced and continue to enter the troops.

Of course, the performance characteristics (TTX) of the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV only partially correspond to the TTX of "real" cruise missiles - the warhead, flight speed, and the guidance system are much less. At the same time, the cost of the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV, which is an order of magnitude lower compared to the KR, largely compensates for these shortcomings.



It was during the JMD in Ukraine that a steady trend was clearly manifested - the ammunition of air defense systems (AD) often turns out to be much more expensive than the high-precision weapons (HWTO) that they shoot down.


Three million US dollars have flown...

Of course, this situation will not always be like this, for example, the balance of power on the battlefield can significantly change laser air defense systems, as well as promising air defense active defense systems (KAZ PVO), the cost of a “shot” of which will once again become significantly lower than any attacking high-precision weapon. However, while this weapon is still either being developed (in relation to KAZ air defense), or is at the very beginning of its life cycle and is very expensive (in relation to laser weapons).

But the Geran-2 kamikaze UAVs, which are much cheaper than most existing anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs) used by anti-aircraft missile systems (SAMs), are already actively used in theaters of military operations, which gives us the opportunity to consider new concepts for opening enemy air defense systems.

Air defense of Ukraine against UAV-kamikaze "Geran-2"


In the material Ukraine's air defense has become a little stronger, but much weaker we examined the air defense systems currently available to the armed forces of Ukraine (AFU). These air defense systems can be divided into several groups: the first can effectively hit the Geran-2 UAV at any height; the second one can hit the Geran-2 UAV at any altitude, but at the maximum flight altitude, about 4 kilometers, the probability of hitting will be extremely small; the third group will not be able to hit the Geran-2 UAV at high altitude under any circumstances.

Consider these groups of air defense systems in relation to the defeat of the UAV-kamikaze "Geran-2", moving at a maximum flight altitude of about 4000 meters.

The first group includes:
- anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) S-300PMU/PS/PT/V1;
- SAM "Buk-M1";
- SAM MIM-104 Patriot;
- SAM NASAMS-II;
- SAM IRIS-T;
- SAM "Tor" / "Tor-M1";
- SAM Aspide;
- SAM Crotale.

Using these complexes, the enemy loses in any case - either from the destruction of the object at which the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV is aimed, or from the loss of missiles, which cost more, often much more than the UAV it destroys.

An exception is the French Crotale air defense system, whose radio-command-guided missiles should presumably be much cheaper than their counterparts (although cheapness and European weapons are usually poorly compatible concepts), but the effectiveness of these air defense systems against the Geran-2 UAV is questionable, after all, the complex is quite old, older than the Tunguska air defense missile system, so it’s far from certain that its radar station (radar) will be able to detect the Geran-2 UAV.


According to the "cost-effectiveness" criterion, the Crotale air defense system could become one of the best in terms of combating the Geran-2 UAV, however, its very effectiveness is in question

The second group includes:
- SAM MIM-23 Hawk;
- SAM "Osa-AKM";
- anti-aircraft missile and gun complex (ZRPK) "Tunguska";
- SAM Stormer HVM.

In this group, the MIM-23 Hawk air defense system has no problems with height reach, however, as in the case of the Crotale air defense system, its radar is outdated, so it is far from certain that it will be able to effectively detect fairly inconspicuous Geran-2 UAVs ".

The third group includes:
- SAM M1097 Avenger;
- SAM "Strela-10M";
- self-propelled anti-aircraft gun (ZSU) ZSU-23-4 "Shilka";
- portable anti-aircraft missile systems (MANPADS);
- ZSU, anti-aircraft installations (ZU).

All air defense systems, anti-aircraft defense systems and memory devices of the third group have practically no chance of ensuring the destruction of the Geran-2 UAV at an altitude of about four kilometers, simply for the reason that they are physically unable to do this.

Advantages and disadvantages of climbing


Now the attacks of the UAV "Geran-2", apparently, are carried out at a relatively low altitude. After each raid, the Armed Forces of Ukraine declare dozens of destroyed Russian drones, however, there is almost never any confirmation of these statements.

What will happen if the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV route passes at the maximum possible altitude of about 4000 meters?

At this height, the visual, thermal and acoustic visibility of these UAVs will decrease significantly. With the help of anti-aircraft artillery and MANPADS, it will no longer be possible to shoot them down, you will have to involve long-range and medium-range air defense systems with their mercilessly expensive missiles. On the other hand, if a long-range or medium-range air defense system takes the Geranium into sight, then most likely it will shoot it down.

What opportunities does this provide?

It is possible to combine massive attacks by the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV and hunting for enemy air defense systems using manned aircraft equipped with anti-radar missiles (PRR).

Of course, Russian fifth-generation Su-57 multifunctional aircraft have the best opportunities for this, but their use in any case will carry the risks of combat and non-combat losses, which will be an extremely serious blow to our country. So, most likely, you will have to use Su-35 fighters and Su-34 fighter-bombers equipped with electronic warfare (EW) and PRR outboard containers.

The range of the X-31PD PRR reaches 250 kilometers, that is, they can potentially be used without entering the territory of Ukraine at all. In parallel, Russian ground-based electronic warfare systems may have an impact on early warning aircraft (AWACS) of NATO countries patrolling over the territory of Poland and Romania.


PRR Kh-31PD

With the systematic implementation of this tactic, the enemy will either have to meekly endure strikes by the Russian Geran-2 kamikaze UAVs, or spend expensive missiles and unmask the air defense radars, exposing them to the risk of being destroyed by Russian PRRs.

The influence of Ukrainian electronic warfare equipment on the effectiveness of the use of the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV is questionable. On the one hand, the curvature of the Earth's surface limits the range of influence of electronic warfare equipment on UAVs at a low flight altitude, and with an increase in flight altitude, the range of direct radio visibility increases. On the other hand, the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV only needs to receive signals from GLONASS satellites in order to aim at the target. The antennas for receiving satellite navigation signals are located in the upper part of the UAV and are shielded by the body, and they can also be partially shielded from the side, so that the signal from the electronic warfare equipment that influences the precise positioning system may not reach the receiver antennas, and the higher the UAV route passes , the less will be the impact of EW radiation on the antennas of the GLONASS receiver. In addition, actively operating electronic warfare assets themselves can also be detected and attacked by the RRP.

Possible improvements to the UAV "Geran-2" and the tactics of their use


So, we are laying the flight route of the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV at the highest possible altitude for it, about 4000 meters. Should this somehow affect the design and tactics of using this UAV?

It may be advisable to install a new propeller (propeller), the configuration of which will be optimal for the selected flight altitude, since at different altitudes the efficiency of various designs of propeller blades changes.

You can try to minimize the thermal and acoustic signature of the Geranium-2 kamikaze UAV by installing a shield in the lower part of the case, to shield upwards and to the sides of thermal and sound radiation from the engine. Piston engines are already not the easiest target for infrared homing heads (IR seeker) - this is not a turbojet "stove", visible for tens of kilometers, but at an altitude of 4000 meters, and even with a screen, the chances of detecting and hitting a kamikaze UAV " Geranium-2" missiles with IR seeker will be much lower.

It is possible to consider the issue of installing rotary corner reflectors and / or Luneberg lenses, which increase the effective dispersion surface (ESR) of the aircraft. Why increase EPR? And then, to provoke the enemy's air defense systems to work prematurely. For example, a clearly distinguishable target with an EPR from about several tens of square meters appeared on the monitor of the air defense system operator - obviously some kind of large target, the air defense crew commander gives the command “fire”, the air defense system breaks off the guides, and after a minute the signal sharply decreases or disappears altogether , after which the missiles lose their target and self-destruct. The optimal opening / closing interval of corner reflectors / Luneberg lenses can be determined from the calculation of the SAM approach speeds.


Corner reflector (top) and Luneberg lenses (bottom)

For MANPADS, the Geran-2 UAV-kamikaze will most likely be out of reach, nevertheless, it is potentially possible to consider the possibility of installing a towed heat trap on it, some kind of IR emitter on a thin wire 30-50 meters long. If it is possible to force the enemy to waste MANPADS pointlessly on the UAV flight route, then that would be great

From the point of view of the tactics of using the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV, one can consider the option of diving in the final section of the trajectory. No matter how we raise the altitude of the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV on the route, in order to hit the target, we will have to descend, that is, expose ourselves to the risks of being attacked by short-range air defense systems, MANPADS, ZU and ZSU. This probability can be minimized by reducing the thermal and acoustic signatures of the UAV, and this can be realized by turning off the engine at the very beginning of the dive.

A variant can also be considered when Geran-2 kamikaze UAVs will fly past the target, make a circle and return to strike from the rear, provoking the enemy to open fire from the air defense system. Or even make several circles in the target area, confusing the enemy, of course, if there is a supply of fuel on board.

Hack and predictor Aviator


We cannot win the war with the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV alone. No, it would be possible if we released thousands of them a day, which is potentially quite real, and as we have already talked about earlier. However, at the current level of production/purchase of UAVs of this type, they can be effectively used to hack into the enemy's air defense system, to gain air supremacy and then defeat the enemy from the sky with other means of air attack.
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  1. +10
    12 May 2023 06: 48
    All this is good. But where to get a large number of piston engines of different capacities. A private entrepreneur will not pull this topic, "Pan Ataman does not have a gold reserve." The state destroyed most of its engine factories and engine research institutes. The Ministry of Industry and Trade still hopes that "the market will ruin everything."
    So let's hope for fuel cells from CIAM, electric motors, lithium batteries and other newfangled goodies, and then you see, micronuclear reactors on Americia will catch up. fellow
    1. +3
      12 May 2023 09: 50
      That's right, here the question arises - isn't it time to reanimate the engine building in the field of precisely small engines. In war - they will go for Geranek, in peacetime - yes, at least make the same walk-behind tractors, or, again, the Ant scooters that died in the Bose and other "small mechanization in the countryside" ...
      It was so much bang in the 90s that you understand the hell. what to do first...
      1. +12
        12 May 2023 14: 27
        I remember in the 60s, and we lived on Sakhalin (today they would say "the ass of the world"), you could freely buy piston microengines MK-12V and MK-16.
        Today, half a century later! we ask the question, where to get the engines?
        Dokapitalistilis, fucking market people!
        1. +2
          12 May 2023 17: 36
          piston micromotors MK-12V
          It seems that then it cost 9 rubles 60 kopecks, but I'm not sure. It was a long time ago.
        2. 0
          19 June 2023 10: 16
          Yes, yes, plus MK-17 Junior, MD-2.5 .... Damn it, adapt the bicycle D-6. It was a great thing for boys technical creativity.
      2. +2
        12 May 2023 21: 43
        This will have to cancel the norms "Euro-1,2,3,4,5, 6,7,8 .."! wassat And then how to strangle your own automotive industry, you ask? ABS and Era-Glonass are not enough to stifle the industry.
      3. 0
        22 May 2023 17: 22
        Sorry, the minus poked you by mistake.
    2. 0
      13 May 2023 18: 03
      A trap, or a garland of traps, Geranium can simply drag in tow, and shoot before attacking
    3. 0
      20 May 2023 14: 14
      Quote: 2112vda
      All this is good. But where to get a large number of piston engines of different capacities. A private entrepreneur will not pull this topic, "Pan Ataman does not have a gold reserve." The state destroyed most of its engine factories and engine research institutes. The Ministry of Industry and Trade still hopes that "the market will ruin everything."



      нThe new tactics of using the Geran-2 UAV will make it possible to deplete Ukrainian air defense as much as possible

      All forces should be directed to the creation of the necessary industry as quickly as possible.
      This is also important in the context of SVO. And it is beneficial for the people - jobs with a salary are very relevant
  2. +2
    12 May 2023 08: 19
    Quote: 2112vda
    But where to get a large number of piston engines of different capacities

    https://vsluh.net/1646-v-samare-razrabotali-sverhnadezhnyj-i-prostoj-dvigatel-dlja-bespilotnikov.html
    1. +3
      12 May 2023 12: 11
      Do you know how many of these simple motors are in the drawings, and what? If you hope that the state will help you organize production, then you are very much mistaken. We have already gone through all this, at best they will promise 5 million rubles for the organization of production. They have something to open a mini-bakery or a hairdresser's, to organize serial motor production. They are ruled by effective managers who have no idea what precision engineering is. Some solid economists and sociologists.
      1. +5
        12 May 2023 14: 43
        In the current bazaar conditions, the creation of something advanced does not at all guarantee its demand, and even more so, the receipt of an economically expedient order for it.
      2. +1
        12 May 2023 15: 00
        It's a shame that there were such productions .... and thousands of internal combustion engines for mopeds and motorcycles were produced
  3. +3
    12 May 2023 09: 09
    It is not necessary to compare the cost of a means of destruction with the cost of an air defense missile, but the damage that an UAV can inflict when it hits a target with the price of a missile that can bring it down.
  4. +1
    12 May 2023 09: 39
    Usually, in such cases, the "readers" of VO comment: ... The article is not about anything! Could be, could be! But, if someone "can" ... "nothing about"; then why shouldn't I participate?
    What is "good" "Geranium-2"? Simplicity ... comparative ... cheapness ... relative! What gives birth in my head to think about the use of "geranium" .like "3,4,5 in 1"! The "geranium" glider experiences relatively small loads, which makes it possible to use cheap plastics for production, up to recycled PET bottles ... maybe! There is a temptation to use such a glider in different "guises"! 1. For example, the Geranium-2 strike drone, in addition to the warhead, can be equipped with anti-radar (with anti-radar seeker) small-sized "electric" drones by hanging them under the wing! 2. Make an anti-radar version of "Geranium" ... with a passive radar seeker and a minimum of the rest, with the possibility of loitering! That is, for greater cost reduction, you can make a "slave" without an expensive ANN (such as on laser gyroscopes), without satellite guidance modules ... only the minimum necessary! Such a "slave" will be guided to the target area with the help of a "master", equipped with a more expensive INS, and a satellite navigation module! Of course, the "leading" drone "Geran-2" is the main "device", which also has a warhead and seeker when necessary! In "pair" with the main (shock) drone, let there be "auxiliary" cheaper (simplified) drones! For example, in addition to the anti-radar drone based on "Geran-2", which has a seeker and a warhead, you can imagine "Geran-LC" (false target)! The simplest INS, equipment for "following a radio beacon", a container with dipole reflectors or heat traps instead of a warhead, a glider with an engine "from Geranium" - that's probably all! On the basis of "Geran" it is possible to have repeaters, transmitters of active radio interference, loitering ammunition with the possibility of returning ...
    1. +6
      12 May 2023 09: 51
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      In "pair" with the main (shock) drone, let there be "auxiliary" cheaper (simplified) drones!

      Already ... Already Ukrainians are increasingly recording the arrival of flying targets ...
    2. +2
      12 May 2023 13: 59
      Anti-radar geranium-2 is called geranium-1, for some reason it is short-range, but I think it is quite possible to twist the guidance system from one drone to another
    3. +1
      13 May 2023 20: 44
      Fantasy, it's brilliance. Do one thing yourself. Then two things. Sell ​​it to those who are ready to buy it from you.
  5. 0
    12 May 2023 09: 48
    a clearly distinguishable target with an EPR from about several tens of square meters appeared on the monitor of the air defense system operator - clearly some kind of large target, the air defense crew commander gives the command “fire”, the air defense system breaks off the guides, and after a minute the signal sharply decreases or disappears altogether, after which SAMs lose their target and self-destruct.
    Against missiles with an active radar seeker, such a "trick" may not "roll" (even ... it is unlikely to "roll"!) ... Yes, and against thermal imaging seekers that are aimed at the "thermal image", turning off the infrared "tile" is not " argument "!
  6. +7
    12 May 2023 10: 30
    It is possible to consider the issue of installing rotary corner reflectors and / or Luneberg lenses, which increase the effective dispersion surface (ESR) of the aircraft. Why increase EPR? And then, to provoke the enemy's air defense systems to work prematurely. For example, a clearly distinguishable target with an EPR from about several tens of square meters appeared on the monitor of the air defense system operator - obviously some kind of large target, the air defense crew commander gives the command “fire”, the air defense system breaks off the guides, and after a minute the signal sharply decreases or disappears altogether , after which the missiles lose their target and self-destruct.

    Not take off. ©
    On the monitor of the air defense system operator, the target appears only after the complex has been issued by the control center with the command post. Prior to this, the air defense system sits quietly, like a potato moth ©, does not air. And the calculation monitors the air situation on the VIKO or a tablet that broadcasts data on the air situation received from the command post.
    Another type of troops is engaged in the detection of air targets - RTV with their OVTs radar. Further, the information is sent to the air defense command post, where the targets are tracked, roughly classified, after which the control center is issued to specific divisions to defeat them.
    The keyword is classified. Target with EPR from the order of several tens of square meters, creeping at a speed less than "Geranium" (because reflectors spoil aerodynamics thoroughly) will be classified precisely as a decoy with corner reflectors.
    1. +2
      12 May 2023 14: 08
      Stop fantasizing without even understanding what electronic intelligence is doing. All normal air defense systems from Osa to Buk and S-300 also have a surveillance radar. It is possible to use an external radar as the Buk Dome. The question is that against low-flying targets, such a surveillance radar should be no further than 10-20 km from the launchers themselves, or they will fly over them with enveloping the terrain.

      In terms of Luneberg lenses, this is a classic solution for flying UAV traps for air defense missiles, which the author has just discovered for himself, but you simply don’t have enough imagination, since there is no knowledge. It does not affect aerodynamics in any way, because. usually behind a radiant fiberglass fairing. But the question is not even that. Typically, such traps use electronic warfare, like in Iskander's "darts", which respond to a radar pulse with an imitation of reflection, modern ones, and with a series of pulses at once, so that it is impossible to measure the distance to the drone. For long-range air defense systems, this usually means the impossibility of hitting at all, because. they launch missiles along a ballistic trajectory at a distance of more than 20 km, and they need to know where to launch approximately in range. But the question is not even that. If you put the same simple electronic warfare transponder on an already large drone, say with a 500 kg warhead, then I inform you that even the Patriot PAC-3 will not be able to distinguish between a trap and a larger object. Now, for this reason, air defense systems cannot distinguish between jet traps and cruise missiles, if there is an electronic warfare transponder and a Luneberg lens here and there. It’s just that its own EPR is extremely insignificant against the background of electronic warfare and reflections from the lens at the trap and the true target.

      The author correctly began to guess where the traps of SAM missiles could develop, but he simply did not google to discover that they were already over 20 years old. The novella is rather in slow-moving traps like the same Shahid or at the Orlan-10 base. In order for the air defense system to be unable to distinguish the target by speed, it is necessary to abandon cruise missiles in favor of heavy screw drones. In principle, Caliber is too weak to collapse a railway bridge. FAB-1500 is made against them. Just a large screw drone, like the An-2 can drag several tons of explosives
  7. +1
    12 May 2023 10: 56
    In terms of economics, new thinking and oaks (the basis
    market relations) greatly helped the Anglo-Americans to weaken the Russian Federation to almost the point of no return to industrial independence. Therefore, victory is in question. Rather, we will crawl to a compromise between the oligarchy and the world behind the scenes. This was already the case in the Crimean War, the Russo-Japanese War ... There is simply no one and nothing to repeat the assault on Berlin.
  8. +1
    12 May 2023 11: 03
    Of course, this situation will not always be like this, for example, the balance of power on the battlefield can significantly change laser air defense systems,

    Again, this panacea in the form of a laser. The raids will take place in cloudy weather, in the morning
    1. -3
      12 May 2023 12: 25
      Quote: APASUS
      Again, this panacea in the form of a laser. The raids will take place in cloudy weather, in the morning


      But the rocket still flies to the ground, and laser interception does not take time as for an interceptor missile /
      1. +1
        12 May 2023 14: 06
        It remains only to force all the objects with laser turrets. The main thing is that no one should paint the geraniums with whitewash, which reflect light by 95%, otherwise the laser protection will not work
        1. +1
          12 May 2023 17: 40
          There is no panacea here .. and it is on the example of 404 that progressive humanity is looking for it .....
  9. +2
    12 May 2023 12: 20
    And without Geraniums, it was impossible to make fake missiles that would take on expensive air defense missiles? This is one of the doctrines of destroying enemy air defenses, when blanks imitating missiles are launched first in order to bleed the enemy into interceptor missiles, which are very expensive and labor-intensive. And then they hit with real missiles when the enemy has run out of interceptor missiles.
    1. 0
      12 May 2023 13: 58
      make fake rockets
      "V-1" was built from non-aviation materials with a primitive autopilot (now you can make one from a smartphone) in auto repair shops and furniture factories. And NATO anti-aircraft gifts are very, very expensive, especially since dill shoot them without saving - a freebie wassat .
    2. +1
      12 May 2023 14: 05
      There are a lot of air target simulators, for example, the Belarusian Indela design bureau makes a Berkut simulator that can simulate an ordinary plane flying to bomb Kyiv. This is more likely to react than geraniums
    3. +1
      12 May 2023 14: 09
      They have been there for a long time. The question is that the trap must move at the speed of an aircraft or a cruise missile. This also requires a jet engine to be installed on it, so such traps are not much cheaper than cruise missiles, because. the engine is the main part of its cost
      1. +2
        12 May 2023 14: 41
        the engine is the main part of its cost
        The simulator equipped with a Luneberg lens can be smaller and equipped with a model turbojet engine for 5-6 thousand.
        1. 0
          22 June 2023 13: 17
          model turbojet engine for 5-6 thousand.

          Y?! Wow! Or maybe a link.
    4. +1
      14 May 2023 23: 50
      Missile decoys have been used in the NWO since the very beginning. In particular, E-95 simulator missiles from Enix JSC were actively used. Ukrainians even have a memo not to shoot at these targets
  10. 0
    12 May 2023 14: 08
    You can try .... You can consider the question ... You can ...

    Many things are possible, but this is for those who can. And wants!. And as they say, "it's one thing to want, it's quite another to be able to, but to do is generally the third and fourth"))
    Crotale air defense systems, whose radio-command-guided missiles should presumably be much cheaper ... it’s far from a fact that its radar station (radar) will be able to detect the Geran-2 UAV

    Others will detect, target, but there is a vizier on Crotal and IR. But whether rockets are already being produced (including bulk crotal) - I don’t know.
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    ..SAMs break off the guides, and after a minute the signal sharply decreased or disappeared altogether ...

    Tin! Throwers are conventionally not shown. And how can Geranium determine this minute? We'll have to install radiation warning systems ("Lianes" of some kind, but "cheap")), whose antennas will increase the EPR even without lenses. Yes, and they will only determine the fact of exposure, and not "breaking missiles off their guides."
  11. +1
    12 May 2023 14: 09
    It is better that during the raid one or two geraniums carry equipment for passive radar scanning of the area to send data back home. To follow them along the identified coordinates, missiles flew faster. So that air defense is first left without missiles, and then without radars
  12. +1
    12 May 2023 14: 59
    Hack and predictor Aviator

    We cannot win the war with the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV alone. No, it would be possible if we released thousands of them a day, which is potentially quite real, and as we have already talked about earlier. However, at the current level of production / purchase of UAVs of this type



    The conclusion is that Geranium is not a miracle weapon, but it is:
    1. accurate
    2. Complicates the life of air defense
    3. Has a powerful warhead
    4. When equipped with an appropriate seeker, it can be guided to the radar
    5. Has a decent range of 1,5-2t.km.
    6. Technically not a complex product ..

    And I do not understand the reason why this product is not mass-produced. And it is really mass-produced. And "fall asleep" all major cities and facilities 404 .... and, apparently, in the future, freely supply to the enemies of the West. Those. their number will always be large.
  13. -3
    12 May 2023 23: 05
    The author writes garbage. Creates the illusion that by using the UAV correctly, you can cause damage to the enemy with their available number. And Nabiulina and Siluanov can continue to make geshefts on the withdrawal of funds over the hill.
    The right strategy is when at least Geranium, at least Lancet, but sooo much. The second component is immediate revenge on the air defense units. They shot down one Geranium - the second fell on their heads.
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    To force ukrov to follow this scenario, the targets must be chosen critically significant. Otherwise, they will pull out all sorts of junk for display and under attack, and their air defense will hide.
    .
    It is clear that in order to produce the required number of UAVs, it is necessary to invest all available funds and, above all, the reserves of the Central Bank and the Government. And it is right. These gentlemen blocked a quick victory and now let them pay for a slow one.
  14. 0
    13 May 2023 01: 43
    Quote: also a doctor
    The author writes garbage. Creates the illusion that by using the UAV correctly, you can cause damage to the enemy with their available number. And Nabiulina and Siluanov can continue to make geshefts on the withdrawal of funds over the hill.
    The right strategy is when at least Geranium, at least Lancet, but sooo much. The second component is immediate revenge on the air defense units. They shot down one Geranium - the second fell on their heads.
    .
    To force ukrov to follow this scenario, the targets must be chosen critically significant. Otherwise, they will pull out all sorts of junk for display and under attack, and their air defense will hide.
    .
    It is clear that in order to produce the required number of UAVs, it is necessary to invest all available funds and, above all, the reserves of the Central Bank and the Government. And it is right. These gentlemen blocked a quick victory and now let them pay for a slow one.


    Again, the idea, if there is a lot of money, then we will have everything at once ...
    Sorry, but you are wrong.
    To get something you need money. But then either buy from others or make your own. And apart from money, it takes time.
    You can, well, you want fried potatoes with onions, after 3 minutes start eating crispy ones? I can't. Fry the onion, then the potatoes ... 3 minutes is not enough. And the same with production. Even if the decision was made six months ago, there may not be enough time.
    Ai. Yes, you yourself understand this, you just decided to grumble a little.
  15. 0
    14 May 2023 01: 26
    An exception is the French Crotale air defense system, whose radio-command-guided missiles should presumably be much cheaper than their counterparts (although cheapness and European weapons are usually poorly compatible concepts), but the effectiveness of these air defense systems against the Geran-2 UAV is questionable, after all, the complex is quite old, older than the Tunguska air defense missile system


    You are confusing the simple warm tube "Crotal" (which is really super old) and "Crotal NG", which has nothing in common with the old namesake from the late 60s except for the name. Even the size of their launch tubes does not allow them to charge one missile from another.

    The new "Krotal" is an approximate analogue of various versions of our "Thor" (and which one is better - let everyone judge based on their patriotism and access to top secret data of the armed forces of Russia and France). The main problem of the French version is that it was intended to protect airfields from cruise missiles, glide bombs and other rubbish. Therefore, it was made towed and is not very suitable for escorting troops on the march (which is important for the Armed Forces of Ukraine). At the same time, South Korea and Finland have self-propelled versions (poor backward countries that understand nothing about weapons). The Finnish version was upgraded relatively recently and received an excellent system of optical and thermal detection (the main problem of short-range air defense systems is that they shine with their radars at a much greater distance than they themselves can shoot). And the complex with an optical system (according to which the French are almost ahead of the rest) is absolutely invisible from the radar, since it does not emit anything, it only receives.
  16. 0
    18 May 2023 09: 26
    Geranium 2 needs a light diesel to increase propeller size and flight altitude, but it needs a turbodiesel to reach 5 km. And the thermal signature will drop sharply and stealth technologies are needed, to exclude metal as much as possible, even the crankcase and head for a diesel engine can be cast from plastic.
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      22 June 2023 13: 24
      Geranium 2 needs a light diesel engine, this will increase the size of the propeller and the flight height
      It doesn't work that way. The diesel engine must also have a fuel injection pump, and its dimensions are difficult to reduce.
      exclude metal as much as possible, even the crankcase and head for a diesel engine can be cast from plastic.
      It's generally great. Study the materiel, please.
  17. 0
    19 May 2023 01: 32
    The main problem is not in technology, but in the brains of our generals, both military and from industry, who are customers and manufacturers of products. 1. They are poorly versed in information technology, in the production of minidrones, in understanding their use. 2. They can make big money on big products. For example, light aircraft, both civilian and military, have almost disappeared in the country. 3. Corruption has not disappeared anywhere. Therefore, the corruption load on small products also destroys the construction of drones. The way out: the willful creation of a parallel production of minidrones outside state institutions such as Rostec, UAC, etc., which did not cope with this task, which the state set for them for decades.
  18. 0
    12 June 2023 08: 34
    I would like Geraniums to fly even 5-6 km, then all MANPADS, ZSU and short-range air defense systems disappear, and all you need to do is put a gearbox and a larger diameter propeller soldier
  19. -1
    12 June 2023 09: 04
    if we were releasing them by the thousands a day, which is potentially quite real,
    And why did I read all this manilovism?
  20. 0
    12 June 2023 09: 57
    It would also be very good to modernize our anti-radar missiles, they are already noticeably outdated and do not fully meet today's challenges, or even better to develop a new highly efficient and more long-range anti-radar missile that would include elements of artificial intelligence and could operate at a distance of 400 - 500 km.
  21. 0
    7 July 2023 10: 44
    So then, apart from a gyroscope, nothing is needed as in FAA 1. And explosives are not needed so that the population does not suffer. Just run in the right direction.
  22. -1
    8 July 2023 12: 34
    The question of optimum military technology. A bottle of bullshit still burns ANY tank. If "carlson-kamikaze" is cheaper than 10 shots at "where God sends", you need to make "expensive carlson".