Unexpected problems with Melvin Johnson's rifle

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Now many things that until relatively recently were the norm seem strange, funny or absurd.

For example, when Melvin Johnson offered his rifle to the US Army, his system was doing very well in testing. It was the end of the 1930s, the Garanda rifle had just been adopted by the US Army, and unflattering reviews were still pouring from the units due to frequent automatic failures.



This resulted in the fact that in 1940 the gas outlet unit was completely redone on the M1 rifle. That is, in theory, Johnson had a chance to compete with the system of the Canadian Garand. But the military had several complaints about the Johnson rifle, one of the most serious being the inability to mount the bayonet. Now this may seem a little absurd, but in the 1930s it was more than a serious shortcoming in the eyes of the military.

More precisely - the bayonet on the rifle got up, but badly, not like that and not the same. Automation functioned due to the short stroke of the barrel, and a full-sized bayonet at the end of the barrel greatly influenced its operation. The standard at that time in the US Army was the M1905 bayonet with a blade length of just over 40 centimeters and a total length of more than half a meter, it weighed about 300 grams. Johnson did not even try to fit this design to his rifle. One of the first versions of the Johnson rifle suggested the possibility of installing a shorter and lighter bayonet from the American rifle of the 1892 model of the year (Krag-Jørgensen).

Unexpected problems with Melvin Johnson's rifle

Dimensional duel of M1905 bayonets (above) and a 1892 model bayonet (below).

To do this, it was necessary to build a full-fledged forearm around the movable barrel with an influx for attaching the bayonet. The bayonet on this version of the rifle felt great, but the system with a short barrel stroke - not so much. Began delays and failures in the operation of automation.

In general, this was only a confirmation of the fact that it was already clear that it was critically important not to load the barrel.


The first version of the Johnson system rifle with the ability to mount a bladed bayonet.

Trying to please the American military and at the same time realizing that a full-fledged bladed bayonet could not be put on a rifle, Johnson undertook a series of experiments.

In particular, a long bladed bayonet was put on the rifle, which was attached to a ledge on the forearm and passed under the barrel. The result was a monstrous design, reminiscent of weapon from the fantasy world. As expected, the US military was not satisfied with this decision.


One of the solutions to the problem of installing a bayonet on a rifle.

After long trials and tests, a seemingly optimal solution was found. A small needle bayonet was installed directly on the barrel. But the US Army was not satisfied with this. According to army officials, a miniature needle bayonet with a needle just over 19 centimeters long was more of a half-measure than a full-fledged weapon in hand-to-hand combat.


In this form and with such a bayonet, the Johnson rifle went into series, but not for the US Army.

In addition, all tests somehow showed that Johnson's rifle feels best without a bayonet at all. Outstanding results were shown by samples that did not even have a fastening for a needle bayonet.


Johnson rifle in army trials. This option does not have a bayonet mount.

It all resulted in the fact that the Johnson rifle was never adopted by the US Army. The point here, however, was not only the impossibility of installing a bayonet, but that it was possible to overcome problems in the operation of the automatic rifle of the Garand system, plus this rifle was already being produced. The main drawback of the Johnson rifle was that it appeared late.

True, there were still buyers for Johnson's creation. The Royal Dutch East Indies Army needed weapons quickly and in abundance. The Dutch were well aware that they would have to face direct confrontation with Japan. So they were ready to buy rifles even with rudimentary bayonets or none at all. But the Dutch managed to get only 1 rifles before the Japanese invasion of the Dutch East Indies began.

Due to the fact that most of the rifles ordered by the Dutch remained in the United States, the Johnson system rifle did end up in the US armed forces, though not in the army, but in the US Marine Corps. The Marines, who, with the entry of the United States into World War II, were in dire need of modern weapons, simply expropriated some of the rifles that were not shipped to the Dutch East Indies. They got into service with units where one of the brainchild of Melvin Johnson had already served, namely, a light machine gun of his design, in part of the paratroopers of the Marine Corps.

With the entry of the United States into World War II, it became clear that, in general, the American military was right, and a bayonet on a rifle is a minor, but necessary thing. The US Army felt this especially sharply in the Pacific theater of operations, where they had to face an enemy who liked to go into bayonet attacks, and even attached bayonets to light machine guns. Ironically, it was in the Pacific theater of operations that the Americans used the Johnson rifles.
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  1. +5
    3 May 2023 04: 59
    With the entry of the United States into World War II, it became clear that, in general, the American military was right, and a bayonet on a rifle is a minor, but necessary thing.
    So they faced this in Vietnam, quite to themselves.
    In June 1966, a platoon of the 1st Marine Reconnaissance Battalion was landed in an area controlled by the enemy, at a height of 488 .. ... during a 12-hour battle, the Marines almost completely used up their cartridges and grenades. They had a particularly difficult time when in the dark they could not be supported by aircraft. Bayonets, sapper shovels, knives, and even stones were used. When help broke through to the scouts, 12 out of 18 Marines survived, all were wounded, and many more than once.

    Now, more precisely at the end of the 20th century, bayonets and bayonet fighting were considered only as a means of increasing the psychological stability and aggressiveness of a fighter, and also as a means of psychological pressure on escorted prisoners / criminals.
    1. +9
      3 May 2023 05: 40
      It is worth supplementing Vladimir's comment above that the bayonet "today" is also a ceremonial (ceremonial) weapon. However, his role as "the last chance of an infantryman" has not been canceled either.
      By the way, the Russian army faced a similar problem by adopting the Nikonov assault rifle (AN-94 theme Abakan).

      True, ours solved it more gracefully.
      Thanks to the author, have a good day!
      1. +1
        3 May 2023 07: 32
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        in the Russian army, they faced a similar problem by adopting the Nikonov assault rifle

        But what, the bayonet is not provided in the Nikonov machine gun? I'm completely off topic...
        1. +3
          3 May 2023 07: 50
          Quote: Luminman
          But what, the bayonet is not provided in the Nikonov machine gun? I'm completely off topic...

          It is envisaged, here on the AK-74M with the GP installed, you will attach a bayonet-knife (you won’t populate the firearms), and you will attach a hinged NSPU. wink

          On the "Abakan" the bayonet-knife is installed on the side, on the right (I did not see it with it).
          If I'm not mistaken, G. Nikonov himself (aged):

          This is how the bayonet-knife, as I understand it, is normally attached (with the blade horizontally):
    2. +7
      3 May 2023 05: 59
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Now, more precisely at the end of the 20th century, bayonets and bayonet fighting were considered only as a means of increasing the psychological stability and aggressiveness of a fighter, and also as a means of psychological pressure on escorted prisoners / criminals.

      what In the USMC and other armies, so far from bayonets and their use to start in physical. training and teaching hand-to-hand combat skills, do not intend to refuse.
      I am sure that for physical development, handling weapons, sometimes a personal rifleman can be well wielded in hand-to-hand combat, without a bayonet, so move the enemy with a muzzle in the throat, shoulder joint, groin ..., for this you need to stuff your hand to get there - where take aim.
      Shooting at a person from a distance is one thing, but psychologically being ready to hit a person (even an enemy) with a knife-bayonet, smash his head with a butt, break an arm or leg is another.
  2. +4
    3 May 2023 06: 29
    Outside was the end of the 1930s
    Indeed, at that time the bayonet was considered as an integral attribute of small arms, which was shown by 2 MB. This bayonet-knife today has more practical significance: cutting the wire of obstacles, a knife ... Yes, and problems with automation at that time were an integral part of automatic weapons chambered for a rifle cartridge (they have not yet switched to an intermediate one), with the exception of, of course, submachine guns where automation was based on a simple thing - the principle of recoil with a free shutter. In the USSR, before the war, the SVT-40 (Tokarev) and ABC-36 (Simonov) were adopted. The first is well known and proved itself during the Second World War. But there was a road in production and required careful personal care. With the advent of the intermediate cartridge, the main problems of small arms automation were removed. And the bayonet, as a necessary accessory to automatic small arms, continues to serve.
  3. +3
    3 May 2023 07: 25
    The US Army felt this especially sharply in the Pacific theater of operations, where they had to face an enemy who liked to go into bayonet attacks, and even attached bayonets to light machine guns. Ironically, it was in the Pacific theater of operations that the Americans used the Johnson rifles.


    Swords had to be revived (well, or spears) - it would have turned out to be a corps of American naval musketeers (US KAMM) ...
  4. +4
    3 May 2023 09: 38


    The photo shows the "creative path" of the Johnson rifle from prototype to production.
    In addition to the Netherlands, Norway became interested in the Johnson rifle, having purchased several samples for testing. In addition, in 1943, Chile ordered 1000 rifles chambered for 7x57. Armed with this rifle and the Cubans from the brigade 2506, which was preparing the CIA for landing in Cuba.
    In 1946, Johnson developed an automatic carbine for Argentina.



    But before the adoption of the case of this sample did not come.
  5. +3
    3 May 2023 11: 27
    The rifle had little chance because of this
    Automation functioned due to the short stroke of the barrel

    In practice, rifles with automatics of this type are of little use, especially as an army one (except in special cases, as for paratroopers in the ILC, for example, the rifle was disassembled into two parts and was more convenient when landing). This was already clear from the time of the Fedorov assault rifle, and the further course of development only confirmed this. Too unreliable and prone to contamination.
    In addition, the rifle had a non-detachable drum magazine.
    The bayonet during the Second World War also had a noticeable significance - fully automatic weapons that provide a high density of fire, as after the war, have not yet received such distribution. But for the Americans, by the way, this mattered less than for countries whose main weapon was a rifle with manual reloading, which was not very well suited for close combat - their troops were massively armed with self-loading rifles)
    in 1940, the gas outlet unit was completely redone on the M1 rifle

    And what kind of gas outlet unit on a rifle with such an automation scheme?
    1. +5
      3 May 2023 12: 35
      Initially, there was a muzzle on the garanda (the military really didn’t want to have a hole in the barrel), as, by the way, in the German gewehr 41. Then they realized that it didn’t work like that and scrolled the hole at the very muzzle (because the long and heavy bolt frame was already in production, and it was long and expensive to remake).
      1. -2
        3 May 2023 13: 28
        twisted a hole

        It seems like an informative comment on the essence of the issue, but such a boorish presentation of technical information always jars. How did you become famous as a designer yourself?
        1. +3
          3 May 2023 16: 00
          How about technically? "Checked"? "Drilled"?
          1. +1
            3 May 2023 18: 00
            Quote: Letterhead
            How about technically? "Checked"? "Drilled"?

            It's a shame not to know the terminology! Of course - they passed! laughing
        2. +7
          3 May 2023 16: 03
          Power machines, switches and routers. That's why they are comments to write as you like, this is not an article or a report. If it bothers you, write comments on the guests yourself :)
    2. 0
      5 June 2023 08: 49
      On M1, automation works by removing part of the gases. On the first modifications, if my memory serves me, the gases were removed from the muzzle, which was not very reliable. Then the design was redesigned
  6. +4
    3 May 2023 13: 41
    Colleagues, good afternoon!
    Sorry, but the respected Author made a reservation: Krag-Jorgesen rifles are not American, but Norwegian-made.
    1. +8
      3 May 2023 15: 55
      Sorry, but the respected Author made a reservation: Krag-Jorgesen rifles are not American, but Norwegian-made.

      We do not apologize, because the author did not allow any reservations. The Krag-Jørgensen rifles in US service were manufactured by Springfield Armory under the name Springfield Model 1892–99.
    2. +4
      3 May 2023 16: 05
      Quote from Kojote21
      The author made a reservation: the Krag-Jorgesen rifles are not American, but Norwegian-made.

      Good time! No disclaimer - Norwegian design, yes - but definitely American Springfield Armory production. hi
  7. +9
    3 May 2023 16: 23
    Hello everyone and best wishes!
    The repressed, but no less respected Konstantin *MorKot* got in touch and asked to publish the following photos. Which I do. hi



    Johnson M1941, M1944.
    1. +8
      3 May 2023 18: 59
      Huge hello to Uncle Kostya!!!
      Regards Vlad!
    2. Alf
      +3
      3 May 2023 19: 53
      Quote: ArchiPhil
      The repressed, but no less respected Konstantin *MorKot* got in touch

      Freedom to Yuri Detochkin! drinks
    3. 0
      3 May 2023 22: 44
      Johnson M1941,M1944

      The Johnson M1944 light machine gun is not in the photos you posted.
      He looks like this.

  8. +1
    4 May 2023 15: 45
    Description Bayonet for submachine gun vz. 58 Pressed wood handle. Blade length 17,5 cm. Total length 28,5 cm. Bad (soft) steel, not good as a knife, almost useless for a soldier. The cost of production was probably decisive. Compared to the SA.100 bayonet, we could only be sad. Here the soldier did not receive high-quality weapons. am
  9. 0
    9 June 2023 20: 00
    Reading about these contests is always fun. Old Gauss once said - I have known my results for a long time. I just don't know yet how I'm going to get there. Of course, he meant the multi-stage path of mathematical proofs, but it's still funny.
    Bribes have already been distributed. Moreover, they have long been spent! And time after time you read the anecdotal claims put forward in the bud by purchased commissions. In any country. Any "authorities". All this is complete nonsense and nonsense) Military chinodrals have long been bought. Johnson has long received subsidies from the War Department, due to a real (not drawn for the report, which is rare) designer, designed to create a "bankruptcy estate" for Garand, and simply makes a report for the banks from which he took loans. And they reprint reports for insurance companies.
    What this stupid capitalist comedy lacks is gunsmithing. Not a penny...
  10. -1
    24 July 2023 10: 32
    mattresses have never created a shooting system to get closer to the AK. mentality is the reason. and excellent.