Air defense system of the DPRK: radar airspace control and fighter aircraft

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Air defense system of the DPRK: radar airspace control and fighter aircraft

The control of the airspace of the DPRK and the protection against air attacks of important administrative, industrial and defense centers, large military bases, ports, bridges, tunnels, as well as other strategically important objects are entrusted to the North Korean air force, which, in addition to aviation, organizationally include radio engineering and anti-aircraft missile troops.

At present, the air defense of the DPRK relies on a network of round-the-clock radar posts located throughout the country, covering the air situation over the Korean Peninsula, coastal areas and border Chinese and Russian territories. Data from radars via radio relay and cable lines enter the automated control system, VHF and HF radio networks are used as backup, in which information is broadcast by voice or Morse code.



The combat operation of the air defense system is controlled from the combat command post at the headquarters of the DPRK Air Force, to which four sector commands are subordinate: the northwestern, northeastern, southern and Pyongyang air defense subsectors. Each sector consists of a headquarters, an airspace control center, subordinate radio engineering units, one or more anti-aircraft missile regiments, an air defense artillery division, and other units and subunits.

In case of violation of the air border, after the announcement of the alarm, duty fighter-interceptors rise into the air, air defense systems and anti-aircraft artillery are put on alert. Further actions of ground-based air defense systems should be coordinated with the headquarters of aviation divisions and the central command post.

Radar means of airspace control


In the 1960s-1970s, the airspace of the DPRK and the adjacent territories were controlled by P-10, P-12 and P-14F meter-range radars, as well as P-20 and P-30 centimetric radars. Paired with all-round radar stations, the PRV-9 and PRV-11 radio altimeters worked.


Radar P-20

In the 1980s, the renewal of the North Korean air defense system began, and simultaneously with the then modern air defense systems and fighters, North Korea received new radar equipment from the USSR, some of which are still operational.

The most "long-range" in the radio engineering troops of North Korea were the meter-range radars of the P-14 family. During the Cold War, the Soviet Union supplied 3 P-14F radars and 7 5N84A Oborona-14 stations.


Antenna post radar 5N84A "Defence-14"

The P-14F "Van" radar, delivered in the late 1960s, was intended for long-range detection and measurement of the range and azimuth of air targets when operating as part of an automated control system or autonomously. With a flight altitude of 10 m, the MiG-000 fighter could be detected at a distance of 17 km. The detection range of large high-altitude targets reached 300 km. The upper limit of the detection zone is 540 km.

The mobility of these bulky stations was rather conditional. The main elements of the radar were placed on five transport units (two semi-trailers with equipment, two with antenna equipment and three trailers with a power supply system). The antenna was a parabolic mirror measuring 32x11 m. The antenna post was installed on a prepared site.

A very large antenna post and the placement of the hardware in towed trailers make it difficult to relocate and increase vulnerability to air attack. Due to low mobility and large dimensions, the P-14 family radars are actually peacetime stations, which, in modern warfare, are subject to rapid destruction. However, these shortcomings were largely offset by a very significant detection range and a large resource.

Radar 5N84A "Defence-14" has improved noise immunity and higher measurement accuracy. Some of the electronic blocks are made on semiconductors. The station is located on six transport units. Standby radars of the P-14 family are usually operated in conjunction with radar altimeters PRV-9, PRV-11, PRV-13 in the interests of anti-aircraft missile regiments and brigades equipped with air defense systems: SA-75M, S-75M3, S-125M1A and S- 200VE.

P-18 meter-range radars and P-19 decimeter radars, which were attached to anti-aircraft missile divisions and used to control aircraft flight, have much higher mobility. In the 1980s, North Korea received two dozen P-18 and six P-19 radars.

The two-coordinate radar of the P-18 meter range was created in 1971 on the basis of the P-12MP radar by transferring its electronic part to a new element base. At the same time, the radar was paired with the new Kremniy-2M nationality identification radar system.


Radar P-18

All station equipment is located on the basis of two Ural-375 vehicles. In KUNG of one there is radio-electronic equipment with operator workplaces, in the second - an antenna-mast device. In the absence of interference, the P-18 radar is capable of detecting a large high-altitude aerial target at a distance of up to 260 km.

The P-19 radar, adopted by the Soviet Army in 1974, is designed to detect air targets at low altitudes. It has a detection range of 160 km. Ceiling - 6 m.


Radar P-19

The van on the ZIL-131 chassis contains radar equipment, equipment for interfacing with other radars, a radar interrogator, data acquisition and transmission units, as well as a set of measuring and communication equipment.

In the late 1970s, two-coordinate radars P-20 began to arrive to replace the obsolete P-30 and P-37 radars. The station was a continuation of the development line of the P-20, P-30 and P-35 radars. But compared to these radars, the P-37 had better noise immunity, measurement accuracy and reliability.


P-37 radar and PRV-13 radio altimeter

The P-37 radar operates in the decimeter frequency range and is capable of seeing large high-altitude targets at a distance of up to 250 km. To measure spatial coordinates, the station can be interfaced with altimeters PRV-11 and PRV-13. Although the mobility of the P-37 leaves much to be desired, its deployment time (8 hours) is still several times less than that of the 5N84A meter-range radar.

In the late 1980s, the DPRK air defense forces received three 64Zh6 radar systems (“Cabina-66M”). Radar "Kabina-66M" in the export version included two radar rangefinders, a technical post, indicator and modulation equipment, a trailer with spare equipment and measuring equipment, four radio altimeters, two interrogators of nationality, radio broadcasting equipment, diesel generator electrical installations, truck crane. The complex gave consumers three coordinates of the target: azimuth, range, height.


The radar complex ensured the detection of the MiG-21 fighter flying at an altitude of 15 km at a distance of 380 km. The upper limit of the detection zone is 54 km. The deployment of 64Zh6 radar systems made it possible to significantly expand the possibilities of using the S-75M3 and S-200VE air defense systems for high-altitude targets and increase the stability of combat operations control of the anti-aircraft missile regiment in the face of various kinds of interference by the enemy.

In 1987–1988 Three ST-68U (19Zh6) radars arrived in the DPRK. This three-coordinate station, operating in the decimeter frequency range, was one of the best late Soviet radars.


Transportation and deployment were facilitated by the fact that the antenna post with a rotary device and the ST-68U radar control cabin were mounted on a single semi-trailer. The radar station has good mobility and high noise immunity. It does not require a radio altimeter to accurately determine coordinates. The ST-68U radar is capable of operating effectively on low-altitude targets, including such complex ones as cruise missiles, in active and passive interference in the presence of intense reflections from the ground and in adverse weather conditions, and simultaneously track up to 30 targets. It is possible to detect a target with an RCS of 0,1 m², flying at an altitude of 100 m, at a distance of 46 km, at medium and high altitudes - at a distance of 160 km. The maximum detection range of large high-altitude targets is more than 300 km.

In addition to Soviet-made radars, Chinese radars are operated in the DPRK. English-language sources say that China supplied the JLP-1970, YLC-1990 and JY-40 radars in the 8s-14s.

The JLP-40 radar is a copy of the Soviet P-35 station. This option appeared after Chinese experts got acquainted with the P-35 radar, stolen during the delivery by rail to Vietnam through the territory of the PRC. A MiG-17 fighter flying at an altitude of 1 m could be detected at a distance of 800 km. The maximum detection range is up to 100 km.


YLC-8 radar

The YLC-8 radar was created on the basis of the Soviet P-12 station. The upgraded YLC-8A / 8V radars are close in their capabilities to the Soviet P-18 radars. It is reported that the detection range of the YLC-8B radar exceeds 250 km, and it has implemented digital signal processing, and information is displayed on modern monitors.

The functional analogue of the Soviet P-37 radar is the JY-14 type station, launched into mass production in the late 1980s. Compared to the P-37, the Chinese radar has better noise immunity and is three-coordinate.


Antenna post radar JY-14

The JY-14 radar operates in the centimeter frequency range and is capable of detecting targets at a distance of up to 300 km and an altitude of up to 25 km. When placing an antenna post on a hill, the MiG-21 fighter flying at an altitude of 1 m can be taken for escort at a distance of 500 km. Stations of the JY-200 type at the beginning of the 14st century were considered one of the best in terms of cost-effectiveness and were widely exported.

Western sources claim that all the old P-12 and P-14F meter-range radars that were available in North Korea have now completely exhausted their resources and have been decommissioned.

Due to the fact that the North Korean agents managed to illegally acquire spare parts, three 5N84A, 10-12 P-18 radar stations, 5-6 P-19 and P-37 units, as well as two ST-68U remained in working order. The status of the RLC 64Zh6 is not known, it is possible that individual elements of the complex, such as radio altimeters, remained in working condition.

A few years ago, North Korea tried to buy new 36D6M radars in Ukraine or upgrade existing ST-68Us. However, the deal did not take place.

In total, three dozen deployed radar posts can be found in the DPRK on satellite images. Approximately one and a half dozen Chinese-made stations, which mainly operate in the central and northwestern parts of the country.


The layout of radar posts on the territory of the DPRK

Some Western experts write that China, bypassing international sanctions, could supply the DPRK with components and components for the assembly of modern AFAR radars at North Korean enterprises. But reliable evidence of this could not be found.

fighter aircraft


According to reference data, the DPRK Air Force has about 300 fighters formally capable of performing air defense tasks. However, in fact, the number of interceptors that are of real combat value and are in technically sound condition is many times less.

Thus, the World Air Forces 2022 guide, published by the British aviation magazine Flight International, states that the DPRK Air Force has more than 100 Shenyang J-5 fighters.


Fighter J-5

This subsonic aircraft, which first flew in 1956, is a Chinese copy of the MiG-17F. In the PLA Air Force, it was decommissioned in 1992. It is extremely doubtful that most of the fighters, whose age is approaching the sixth decade, have a satisfactory combat readiness. But even with complete technical serviceability, high qualification and motivation of the pilot, it is almost impossible to conduct an air battle with a modern fighter or to intercept a cruise missile on an aircraft equipped with a primitive instrumentation system, antediluvian communications and navigation.


Satellite image of Google Earth: J-5 fighters at Oran airbase. Photo taken in July 2019

Most of the J-5 fighters are used for training purposes, they can also be used for bombing and assault strikes.


Satellite image of Google Earth: J-5 fighters at the air base. The picture was taken in September 2022

About 15 years ago it was reported that a significant number of North Korean J-5s were being converted into manned cruise missiles to be flown by suicide pilots.

The same fully applies to the Shenyang J-6 (a Chinese copy of the MiG-19S), of which there are about 90 units in North Korea.


Fighter J-6

This first-generation supersonic fighter was decommissioned from the PLA Air Force in 2010, and a significant part of them in China were converted into Drones.


Satellite image of Google Earth: J-6 fighters at Kuson airbase. The picture was taken in November 2022

Even assuming that these very old aircraft are serviceable and indeed capable of taking to the air, their combat value as interceptors is very low.


The fighter, designed in the early 1950s, lacks an airborne radar and automated guidance equipment, which makes it virtually impossible to successfully intercept at night and in difficult weather conditions. J-6 aircraft can only be relatively effective in the ground attack role.

In the past, a significant proportion of the North Korean fighter fleet was occupied by Soviet-made MiG-21s. Between 1966 and 1974, the DPRK Air Force received at least 174 MiG-21s of various modifications.


It is believed that about 20 MiG-21bis out of 30 vehicles illegally purchased in Kazakhstan in 1999 are now in flight condition. In the past, North Korean emissaries actively tried to buy spare parts and consumables for Soviet-made MiG-21 fighters around the world, which indicates the important role these aircraft played in the DPRK Air Force.


Satellite image of Google Earth: MiG-21, J-7 and J-5 fighters at the Toksan airfield. The picture was taken in March 2022

More numerous are Chinese-made Chengdu J-7II fighters, deliveries of which began in 1982. A total of 70 Chinese delta wing fighters were purchased, with approximately 40 remaining in service today.


The Chinese J-21II differs from the Soviet MiG-13F-1959 of the 7 model only in a more powerful engine, it does not have radar and is much inferior to the MiG-21 fighters produced in the USSR in the 1970-1980s.

Aviation publications claim that the DPRK has a significant number of fighters with variable wing geometry: single-seat MiG-23ML and two-seat combat training MiG-23UB. By the standards of the 1980s, this aircraft had impressive acceleration characteristics, carried medium-range missiles and was equipped with advanced avionics equipment: an onboard radar with a detection range of up to 85 km, a heat direction finder capable of detecting turbojet engine exhaust at a distance of up to 35 km, all sighting information displayed on the windshield. In close combat, the MiG-23ML pilot had at his disposal upgraded UR R-60M with a noise-resistant TGS and a 23-mm cannon in a hanging container.


In various reference books, the number of North Korean MiG-23ML / UB ranges from 40 to 56 units. However, judging by satellite images, their number seems to be too high. It is unlikely that front-line interceptors received more than 35 years ago are in good technical condition. Based on the analysis of available satellite images, it can be argued that as of mid-2022, no more than two dozen MiG-23s took off into the air.


Satellite image of Google Earth: MiG-23 and MiG-29 fighters at the Pukchon airfield. The picture was taken in June 2022

Without exception, all fighters of the MiG-23 family have always been expensive to operate and require a lot of labor during maintenance. Depreciation of the materiel and the shortage of spare parts must have made most of these very complex aircraft incompetent. English-speaking experts write that keeping the North Korean MiG-23s in working condition was made possible thanks to the purchase of spare parts and consumables on the black market. In most countries where there were MiG-23s, they have long been removed from service.

The most modern DPRK Air Force fighters are the MiG-29A / UB, purchased in 1988-1992. A total of 45 4th generation fighters were delivered, approximately 30 of them were assembled in North Korea.

The MiG-29A favorably differed from the MiG-23ML, which was mainly focused on attacks with medium-range missiles, ease of piloting, maneuverability and lower labor costs in preparation for a sortie. In the 1980s-1990s, in close air combat, the XNUMXth, due to its high maneuverability and thrust-to-weight ratio, had an advantage over all Western fighters.

In addition, the MiG-29A was equipped with a fairly advanced avionics for its time and carried six R-60M and R-73 melee missiles with a launch range of 10–30 km. Built-in armament - 30-mm gun GSh-301. To combat an air enemy out of line of sight, the combat load could include two R-27R medium-range missiles with a semi-active radar seeker capable of hitting targets outside the line of sight, which in turn made it possible to perform tasks of intercepting front-line and strategic bombers on distant approaches from protected objects. The N019 radar mounted on the MiG-29A export fighter is capable of detecting a fighter-type target at a distance of up to 85 km. Optical-location system in conditions of good visibility captures targets in the infrared range at a distance of up to 35 km. Target information is displayed on the windshield.

In the early 1990s, negotiations were underway on the licensed production of the MiG-29 in the DPRK, it was planned to establish it at the aircraft plant in Pakchon. The collapse of the USSR did not allow the implementation of the plans of the North Korean leadership. The DPRK had no financial resources, and Russia refused to provide technology, equipment and assembly kits on credit.


MiG-29 DPRK Air Force

Some North Korean MiG-29s were overhauled in the early 2000s. After the repair, the planes were painted green. At the moment, the number of flying MiG-29s in the DPRK is small.


Satellite image of Google Earth: MiG-29, MiG-23, MiG-21, J-6 and J-5 fighters stored at the Pukchon airfield. The picture was taken in June 2022

Most of the aircraft put into storage. MiG-29 fighters, which have prospects for further use, are mothballed in underground shelters, which are cut into the rocks near some air bases.


Satellite image of Google Earth: J-5 and MiG-21 fighters in the parking lot near the entrance to the underground shelter at Konsan airbase. The picture was taken in December 2021

Aircraft that have exhausted their resource are mostly stored in the open air and are a source of spare components and parts.

North Korean air-to-air missiles


All DPRK Air Force fighters are armed with built-in and outboard cannons. Artillery aviation weapons can only be used in close combat, against visually observed targets, and currently the main weapons interceptors are guided missiles.

Together with the Soviet MiG-21 fighters, air combat missiles with the R-3S (K-13) IK GOS (a Soviet copy of the American AIM-9В Sidewinder) were transmitted. There were also R-13R missiles with semi-active radar guidance.


R-3S short-range air-to-air guided missile

In total, more than 1966 R-1978S/R missiles were delivered from 1 to 000. It is reported that for their use in the late 3s and early 1980s, some of the Chinese-made J-1990 and J-5 fighters were finalized. Currently, the R-6S/R missiles are considered obsolete, and all missiles of this type are beyond the warranty period.

The Chinese analogue of the UR R-3C is the PL-2A. Approximately two hundred PL-2A are available for suspension on J-7 fighters in service with the North Korean air force.


PL-2A missile

In the mid-1980s, the R-21M melee missiles appeared in the arsenal of the North Korean MiG-23 and MiG-60, which, compared to the R-3S, are a much more effective means of hitting air targets. In total, North Korea received 450 R-60M missiles.


R-60M short-range air-to-air guided missile

In terms of launch range (10 km in the forward hemisphere), the R-60M surpassed the R-3S by only 2 km. But at the same time, the R-60M was almost twice as light, had better noise immunity and maneuverability.

There are discrepancies in the composition of the armament of the MiG-23ML fighters in foreign sources, they mention the R-23R / T and R-24R / T missiles. In fact, the MiG-23ML could carry all these missiles, but the R-23R and R-23T medium-range missiles were originally included in the arsenal of earlier modifications of the MiG-23M / MF, and much more advanced R-23R and R-24R missiles were created for the MiG-24ML R-XNUMXT.

The R-23R missile with a semi-active radar seeker is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 35 km and surpassed the R-3R missile in this indicator by 4 times. The launch range of the UR R-23T with TGS reached 23 km. It was believed that this missile could fire at targets on a collision course, and to capture the target, it was enough to heat the leading edges of the aerodynamic surfaces.


R-24R and R-60M missiles on MiG-23ML hardpoints

R-24R medium-range missiles are capable of hitting air targets when launched into the forward hemisphere at a distance of up to 50 km. The maximum firing range of R-24T "thermal" missiles is 35 km. A South Korean survey on North Korean military aviation states that until 1989, the Soviet Union transferred 450 R-24 missiles.

In parallel with the MiG-29 fighters, aviation weapons were supplied, including R-73 and R-27 air combat missiles.


When developing the R-73 SD, such requirements as all-aspect, super-maneuverability and the implementation of the “released-forgotten” principle were taken into account. The missile does not impose significant restrictions on the maneuver of the carrier during operation, that is, it can be used when maneuvering an aircraft with large overloads.


R-73 melee missile

The launch weight of the rocket is 105 kg. The maximum launch range in the forward hemisphere is 20 km. The minimum firing range in the rear hemisphere is 0,3 km. It was not possible to find exact data on the number of R-73 missiles betrayed to North Korea, but, apparently, their number does not exceed two hundred missiles.

To combat an air enemy out of line of sight, the MiG-29A fighter can carry two R-27R medium-range missiles with a semi-active radar seeker.


R-27R medium-range missile

The launch weight of the R-27R missile with a semi-active radar guidance system is 253 kg. Firing range in the front hemisphere - 58 km. According to South Korean sources, 1992 missiles were purchased before 50, which is clearly not enough to equip 45 fighters with them.

The armament of the MiG-29A can also include the R-27T missile launcher with a thermal homing head. But there is no reliable information that such missiles are in service in the DPRK.

Status and development prospects of North Korean fighter aviation


Although the DPRK formally has an impressive fighter fleet for such a country, for the most part these are obsolete aircraft that are not capable of intercepting at night and in difficult weather conditions, as well as fighting on equal terms with American, South Korean and Japanese 4th generation fighters.

The situation is aggravated by the poor technical condition of even the freshest North Korean fighters, whose age has already exceeded 30 years. According to South Korean experts, the coefficient of technical readiness of the DPRK fighter fleet does not exceed 0,3. In other words, out of ten aircraft, only three can carry out a sortie. Satellite images of North Korean air bases over the past 10 years clearly indicate a sharp reduction in the number of combat aircraft, which is caused by the decommissioning of worn-out aircraft and a high accident rate.

North Korean fighter pilots for the most part have a low level of training. Even in the "court" fighter regiments equipped with MiG-23 and MiG-29, the average annual flight time is 25-30 hours. Pilots of J-5, J-6, J-7 and MiG-21bis fighters spend no more than 20 hours a year in the air. A small flight time allows you to save the resource of aircraft, but this has an extremely negative effect on the qualifications of the flight crew.

It cannot be said that the leadership of the DPRK is not concerned about the drop in the combat potential of fighter aircraft, which should meet enemy bombers and cruise missiles at distant approaches.

However, an acute shortage of material resources and significant spending on the nuclear missile program do not allow North Korea to modernize the Air Force. However, it is not only the shortage of currency.

The same China can afford to supply the DPRK with light J-10 fighters or export Chinese-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder free of charge. But the PRC government, which provides economic support to North Korea, does not want to compromise itself by supplying modern weapons to a country that many members of the world community consider a pariah. For pragmatic China, the dividends from foreign economic relations with the United States, Japan and the Republic of Korea are much more important than an already completely dependent and technologically backward neighbor.

In the current situation, without Chinese support, the DPRK Air Force is doomed to degradation. In the face of confrontation with the global West, Russia can provide assistance in strengthening the combat potential of North Korean aviation. But it should be understood that Pyongyang is not able to pay for modern fighters, and this can cause a painful reaction not only from countries unfriendly to us, but also from China, which considers North Korea its fiefdom.

To be continued ...
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  1. +8
    1 May 2023 05: 02
    The author, take a closer look with illustrations. "MiG-29" is actually a photoshopped Su-35...
    1. +4
      1 May 2023 05: 24
      I also noted this, but did not write.
      True, I could not distinguish it from su27, but the silhouette of Drying is characteristic.
  2. +4
    1 May 2023 05: 19
    Explanatory and interesting article.
    Thank you author!
  3. KCA
    +1
    1 May 2023 06: 19
    Since the days of the USSR, residents of the DPRK have ALL dragged home everything they can reach, from ideas to rockets, on their holiday, like ours on November 7th, they gathered at the stadium, in the middle of the football field, of course, no strangers, but as people were very good, they didn’t drink, although they certainly came to visit with ginseng vodka, strictly in a suit with a Kim Jong Il badge on the lapel, we didn’t see many women, but they were dressed the same way, jacket, skirt, white shirt
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    1. +11
      1 May 2023 07: 27
      Quote: spektr9
      I read it - a vile article, essentially a squeeze from English-language propaganda resources, seasoned with horror stories

      I went to your profile, and what I see:

      I would have understood if the one who had at least one article published had opened his mouth. Before you criticize anyone in that tone, write something yourself.
      1. +10
        1 May 2023 09: 21
        Bravo Olya, they killed the “combat hamster” with one left! laughing
        Thank you Sergey for the new cycle!!
      2. -16
        1 May 2023 15: 02
        I would have understood if the one who had at least one article published had opened his mouth. Before you criticize anyone in that tone, write something yourself.

        Bravo Olya, they killed the “combat hamster” with one left!

        Oh, it looks like I offended the feelings of cheers-garbage with my comments laughing

        And so, of course, zero, because my articles about garbage cheers - "patriots" of traitors to the motherland will not be missed here
  5. -14
    1 May 2023 07: 33
    Some Western experts write that China, bypassing international sanctions, could supply the DPRK with components and components for the assembly of modern AFAR radars at North Korean enterprises.

    The so-called "KN-06" in its early modification with a range of 150 km had a North Korean-made AFAR radar and corresponded to the S-300 of early modifications, after a 2-year "work on the mistakes" when Kim Jong-un criticized the air defense system after the air defense exercises, the range was increased up to 200 km, and in general, according to the characteristics, Western experts compare the Korean air defense system with the S-400.
    The article is miserable in the spirit of the 2000s.
    1. +16
      1 May 2023 08: 09
      Quote: smart fellow
      The so-called "KN-06" even in its early modification with a range of 150 km had a North Korean-made radar with AFAR and corresponded to the S-300 of early modifications -

      It would not be bad if everyone talked about what he understands at least a little.
      The firing range of missiles on the first S-300PT was 47 km. The S-300PT-1 and S-300PS, which appeared in the mid-1980s, used missiles with a range of 75 km; in the late 1980s, missiles with a range of up to 90 km for high-altitude targets appeared. The S-150PM managed to overcome the milestone of 300 km, the production of this system was carried out in the early 1990s and lasted only a few years. Then, until the advent of the S-400 - only modernization. The declared launch ranges of North Korean air defense systems are absolutely not real. Even in China, it was possible to achieve such a firing range relatively recently.
      Quote: smart fellow
      The article is miserable in the spirit of the 2000s.

      Disagree about the article. Here are some of the really bad comments. wink
      1. -6
        1 May 2023 12: 12
        The 150 km milestone was overcome by the S-300PM

        Isn't this an early modification of the S-300? The latest modification of the S-300PM2 "Favorite".
        The declared launch ranges of North Korean air defense systems are absolutely not real. Even in China, it was possible to achieve such a firing range relatively recently.

        Have you decided to argue with Western military experts? There is an article about "KN-06" on Wikipedia, but it gives the characteristics of an early modification with 3 launch containers,


        and the modified air defense system has 4 launch containers.

        And why even in China?
        The article is miserable in the spirit of the 2000s.
        Disagree about the article.

        If the article were called "History of the DPRK air defense", then yes, it is quite detailed, but it really gives a misleading idea of ​​​​the DPRK air defense system. In the 2000s, there were similar articles where the authors discussed the direct participation of Russia in the attack on the DPRK and talked about US "pinpoint" nuclear strikes on North Korean targets.
        1. +6
          1 May 2023 13: 30
          Quote: smart fellow
          Isn't this an early modification of the S-300?

          Sometimes it's better to remain silent and pass for a smart one... wassat
          Quote: smart fellow
          An article about "KN-06" is on Wikipedia, but the characteristics of an early modification are given there

          Referring to Wikipedia is the bottom... negative
          Quote: smart fellow
          If the article was called "History of the DPRK Air Defense", then yes, it is quite detailed,

          The title of the article defines exactly what it is about.

          Quote: smart fellow
          In the 2000s, there were similar articles where the authors discussed the direct participation of Russia in the attack on the DPRK and talked about US "pinpoint" nuclear strikes on North Korean targets.

          What does this have to do with this publication?
  6. +4
    1 May 2023 07: 50
    A bunch of black and non-ferrous metal. "Combat complexes" aged 50-60 years. All this is in museums or for scrap. Against modern fighters of the 5th generation, this is nothing. Yes, and the country is washed by the sea from two sides, there is no deep rear. by sea, without entering the air defense zone.
    One hope is that China will stand up on their side, and so the seams. hi
    1. -2
      1 May 2023 14: 28
      Quote: fa2998
      A bunch of black and non-ferrous metal. "Combat complexes" aged 50-60 years. All this is in museums or for scrap.
      Yes? And what is Russia fighting now?
      Quote: fa2998
      Against modern 5th generation fighters, this is nothing.
      The enemies have not only fighters, but also the same Poseidons, which the MiG-17 could well "land".
  7. -4
    1 May 2023 08: 28
    Of course, the leadership of the DPRK understands that outdated aircraft cannot withstand the ROK Air Force. Not to mention the US Air Force, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and possibly Japan. Some air defense systems cannot provide protection against missile strikes from the air, as we see in the example of Ukraine, which is stuffed with modern Western air defense systems. Therefore, this threat will be eliminated by the destruction of enemy air bases, which the DPRK media have been writing about recently. Several dozen 600mm MLRS will destroy air bases in South Korea, and American bases in Japan will be hit by nuclear cruise and hypersonic ballistic missiles.
  8. -3
    1 May 2023 11: 31
    In the early 90s, the DPRK was handed over to China as a "strategic partner" for no reason, but it was possible to find opportunities for mutually beneficial cooperation. And now the regime fears China might take offense. Funny. "Great country"...
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      1. -2
        1 May 2023 19: 16
        Extremely active - after the collapse of the USSR, when a number of deliveries to the DPRK ceased. It was then that the place of the main partner of North Korea was taken by China. Nothing prevented them from influencing Korea in the right direction, demanding the suspension of nuclear development. Under the USSR, there was enough influence. It was the "umbrella" of the USSR that allowed the DPRK not to force nuclear research ...
        1. +4
          3 May 2023 14: 53
          Nothing prevented to influence Korea in the right direction

          The best way to influence North Korea in the right direction would be a plan to unify it with South Korea. For example, by exporting the entire North Korean elite towards Sochi/Moscow, with the issuance of Russian passports, the distribution of "Far Eastern hectares", etc. For the elite, the volume of pleasures per unit of time would exceed all the wildest expectations; ordinary people would also be pleased with the opportunity to harvest and listen to dear Gennady Andreevich on a full stomach. There are no significant conflicts with the Koreans, the great Russian poet V. Tsoi guarantees this.
          But, IMHO, the South Koreans (52 million) are in no hurry: it is not clear what to do with people (26 million) who do not know the basics of gangamstyle and unanimously vote for the right party. And one of the neighbors of North Korea, feeding it "according to his ability", does not need "big South Korea" right "at hand".
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          2. +3
            3 May 2023 18: 45
            Quote: Wildcat
            And one of the neighbors of North Korea, feeding it "according to its ability", does not need "greater South Korea" right "at hand".

            Well, actually the big question is that he no longer needs it. One and a half South Koreas, with which there are no special problems so far, or nuclear inadequacy, which by its very existence justifies the deployment of nuclear weapons programs throughout the region and missile defense - around the world. So so benefit.
  9. +6
    1 May 2023 11: 53
    Article = great work. And interesting. Thank you!
  10. +7
    1 May 2023 12: 19
    hi
    Like the article, an interesting topic that no one writes about!

    A few memories of how the Su25 and Mig29 were delivered to S Korea: "Based on the experience of the last war, many airfields were equipped, which made it possible to deploy aviation, withdraw it from attack and maneuver forces. On the roads there were concrete sections extended to 15-20 m, a couple of kilometers long, adapted for the operation of aircraft. Especially many air bases and jump sites were located near the 38th parallel. The lack of funds did not allow to protect the equipment with concrete caponiers, and dispersal and camouflage, which could be learned from the Koreans, came to the fore. The runways and parking lots, hiding from the eyes of the enemy, were located among wooded hills and copses, it was obligatory to arrange false parking lots with mock-ups of aircraft and camouflage objects by various methods, from camouflage nets to removed "thickets" and "rocks". In the regiment that changed the Su-7BMK to the Su-25, a huge cave was hollowed out for new attack aircraft in the nearby hill, tightly closed by a gate. The 20-meter-wide adit could fit the planes of the entire regiment, tankers and APA drove in there, and under the granite vaults it was possible to fully prepare the machines that appeared outside only for take-off. The shelter was so skillfully camouflaged that it was impossible to notice it even from the airfield, and at first even our officers were not trusted with the secret of its location. Corn was sown between parking lots and taxiways, behind the impenetrable green wall of which it was impossible to make out anything even close. Not far away, the positions of anti-aircraft gunners covering the base were also hiding .....
    In aviation, a crew-by-crew method was adopted: seven to eight mechanics and technicians were assigned to each attack aircraft, dealing with their systems. With so many hands working at the same time and traditionally oriental conscientiousness, the aircraft was prepared very quickly. It was not customary to specially prepare for frequent inspections and checks, bringing ostentatious gloss. Problems and tasks were discussed by the general meeting of the entire unit, which was held quite naturally. Each of the soldiers and junior officers was given the floor and the leadership listened to practical thoughts. “Democratic centralism”, however, had its own limits: the pilots were sharply separated from the technical “estate” by their behavior and living conditions, and those convicted of irresponsibility or serious blunders simply did not appear anymore, and it was useless to ask about his fate - in part about him no one heard or even knew before...
    The organization of flights was dominated by economy. Saving fuel and resource to the starting position, the aircraft were towed by tractors. Immediately after landing and taxiing off the strip, the attack aircraft turned off the engines and in the same way they were delivered to the parking lot. Saving kerosene, even the instructor Burushko was not allowed to fly, being content with his lessons “on foot in flight” and lectures. From the same economy, flights were carried out less frequently than in the Soviet Air Force, no more than once or twice a week, but due to rational planning, each flight shift was densely saturated with various tasks so that the largest number of pilots worked out all types of combat training - aerobatics, single and group piloting, combat maneuvering and, which was not very familiar to ours, mandatory real bombing, firing from cannons and launches of NURSs.
    Flight tactical exercises were also regularly held, which followed every month by the entire composition of the regiment (three to four times more often than in our units, where LTU was usually timed to coincide with the winter and summer final checks). Korean attack aircraft carried out LTU with standard ammunition, delivering bombing and assault strikes against targets on a specially equipped island-proving ground in the Yellow Sea. There was enough ammunition for this - diligently preparing for the coming war, innumerable stocks of this stuff were accumulated in warehouses. Basically, these were bombs of old types, domestic models M-46, imported immediately after the war of 1950-1953. It was not possible to hang them on the Su-25, the protruding third eyelet interfered. To the delight of the Korean gunsmiths, Major Anatoly Panchin cut the Gordian knot, revealing a secret known to all "Afghans": having made a couple of notches with a file, he knocked off an extra red-hot eye with a dashing blow of a sledgehammer, after which the bombs went into action ...
    To the same day, a year after their arrival, the Burushko group departed for home. The experts earned genuine respect: saying goodbye, the Koreans brought gifts, and carried them to the bus in their arms. The last surprise was brought by the hotel staff, who came out in full dress uniforms for the sake of celebration. All of them, including the waiters and drivers, turned out to be state security officers, and the cook and the elevator operator were majors, and even the cleaning lady was a lieutenant! ..
    "https://coollib.com/b/175266-zhurnal-istoriya-aviatsii-istoriya-aviatsii-2000-06/read#t8
  11. 0
    1 May 2023 12: 37
    In the current realities of the DPRK, it would be best to convert part of the fleet into UAVs (if possible), leave more combat-ready aircraft and protect them as much as possible, resources for operating frankly ancient machines should be directed to the development of air defense UAV concepts, the devices of which could be armed with old ones air-to-air missiles and massively disperse them over the same existing airfields.
    Since the DPRK, apparently, has not been faced with the task of openly offensive actions to the South for a long time, this would be optimal for the tasks of budgetary defense, especially since they can buy some electronic components and parts of drones in China more or less covertly, and the design and IT schools within the country make it possible to develop avionics and write suitable software.

    The larger the bandura, the easier it is to knock it out at the airfield, the smaller the bandura, especially if it is capable of launching from the road surface (with which not everything is smooth there either, really), the likelihood that it will survive until the moment when it is launched and will be guided from the ground. Converting part of the pilots into UAV operators is also not a problem - in kr. as their training will be more budgetary, and the country's terrain will make it possible to effectively disperse command posts.
  12. +5
    1 May 2023 14: 02
    May Day, did it work? Usually, comments under Sergey's articles are adequate. Today, "smart fellows" like (smart fellow) suddenly appeared With "fundamental knowledge" from Wikipedia, generating "like criticism". The mere fact that the author undertook to cover the topic of North Korea deserves respect, since it is extremely difficult to write about this piece of medieval Asian feudalism lost in time, and 99,9999 percent of the local audience do not represent the real situation in this country at all.
    1. -5
      1 May 2023 18: 17
      Are you broadcasting from there or the smartest? .....
      ...
  13. -4
    1 May 2023 18: 16
    They will convert the Mig-17 into drones, as the Chinese did, and other obsolete ones.
    We need to help them buy the Mig-29 and Su-27 around the world, so that the forelocks get less, and the tanks are the same
    1. 0
      10 May 2023 20: 57
      Americans give their junk to load their military-industrial complex. Nakraynyak is someone else's, instead of which, again, they will put their own equipment. And you offer us to buy someone else's junk for someone else's uncle for our money?
  14. +2
    1 May 2023 23: 56
    Maybe the DPRK should consider converting old planes into drones, but now it most likely has other priorities. Thus, on April 26, 2023, a forum dedicated to national defense issues was held at the Sejong Institute (South Korea), the main topic of which was an assessment of the level of development of North Korea's nuclear missile potential. Below are some abstracts from the reports and speeches of its participants:
    - Pyongyang deployed on delivery vehicles from 30 to 100 units of nuclear weapons;
    - the volume of plutonium produced at the 5 MW Yongbyon reactor is estimated at about 30-50 kg;
    - The production of highly enriched uranium at the facilities in Yongbyon is about 760 kg, and taking into account Kansong and other facilities, from 1400 to 2400 kg. However, in the case of using advanced centrifuges, its volume can exceed 3000 kg;
    - in n.v. North Korea is increasing its ability to produce highly enriched uranium by increasing the capacity of centrifuges and increasing production, and continues to produce plutonium using a nuclear reactor;
    - As for the new Hwasan-31 tactical nuclear warhead recently presented by Pyongyang, its diameter is estimated at 40-50 cm. It uses an improved detonator used to miniaturize warheads in developed countries, and the volume of explosive used is reduced due to its replacement to a more efficient one. It probably uses lithium deuteride 6, a mixture of deuterium and lithium 6;
    - to test the reliability and characteristics of the Hwasan-31, additional nuclear tests are required (tactical ammunition with the addition of thermonuclear material, a low-yield hydrogen bomb), after which the warhead can go into mass production;
    - 31 systems are considered as Hwasan-8 carriers: super-large MLRS of 600 mm KN-25 caliber, Heil-type underwater unmanned strike vehicle, Hwasal-1 and Hwasal-2 cruise missiles, short-range missiles KN- 24 and KN-23, small underwater launch missile (mini-SLBM);
    - the level of development of the DPRK's nuclear missile technologies is assessed as quite high, only technologies associated with a multiple warhead with several impact blocks raise doubts;
    - "Hwaseong-15" is able to cover the entire mainland of the United States;
    - the development of a heavier and more powerful ICBM of the Hwaseong-17 type is due to its orientation as a carrier of a superheavy nuclear warhead or warhead with multiple units (MIRV);
    - North Korea is very interested in developing technologies to create a nuclear warhead with individual targeting units;
    - For the use of nuclear weapons as an electromagnetic bomb (EMP), the DPRK does not require the presence of technologies for re-entry of the warhead into the atmosphere. In this case, the explosion can be carried out at an altitude of 40-50 km. The likelihood that Pyongyang is considering such an option for the use of nuclear weapons is assessed as significant;
    - in the work on ICBMs, North Korea faces a number of technical difficulties (warhead miniaturization, atmospheric re-entry technologies, guidance accuracy, etc.), but they are solvable, which will be achieved during various tests and tests;
    - mass production of nuclear warheads and their delivery vehicles could present a serious vulnerability for North Korea due to the huge costs of management and maintenance. (https://www.newsis.com/view/?id=NISX20230426_0002281152&cID=10301&pID=10300)
    By the way, the last time North Korean drones conducted aerial reconnaissance over the territory of South Korea was at the end of December 2022.
  15. -5
    2 May 2023 10: 27
    Some Western experts write that China, bypassing international sanctions, could supply the DPRK with components and components for the assembly of modern AFAR radars at North Korean enterprises. But reliable evidence of this could not be found.

    1. The DPRK itself has been making and has been demonstrating modern radars with AFAR at parades for more than 10 years. Nobody supplies any accessories there and it is not necessary. Electronics in the DPRK is developed at the highest level and military electronics, at least, does not retreat from Chinese or Japanese.
    2. The most important thing is that passive detection means have long played the main role in the DPRK air defense system.
    It is unlikely that front-line interceptors received more than 35 years ago are in good technical condition.

    All aircraft, including the MiG-29 and Su-25, are fully supported by the DPRK and are 100% independent of imports. Those cars that were received 35-40 or more years ago were practically replaced with new cars, keeping the side numbers. Some of the old aircraft were converted into UAVs, as they did in Vietnam.
    It cannot be said that the leadership of the DPRK is not concerned about the drop in the combat potential of fighter aircraft, which should meet enemy bombers and cruise missiles at distant approaches.

    The tactic of using fighters is just the opposite. They must meet enemy attack weapons at close range, over their own territory and using mainly passive means of detection. They worked this out in Vietnam at the end of the 60s.
    However, an acute shortage of material resources and significant spending on the nuclear missile program do not allow North Korea to modernize the Air Force. However, it is not only the shortage of currency.

    North Korea has already carried out a complete modernization of its Air Force. In addition to overhaul or complete replacement of old aircraft, they all received new and improved passive detection systems, REB equipment, modern avionics, new air-to-air missiles of all types (they were demonstrated at several exhibitions of military equipment). But the main thing is that the DPRK is among the leading countries in the development of UAVs of all types.
    The last episode when their UAVs flew over Seoul and the protectorate aviation not only failed to intercept them, but also lost the aircraft.
    1. -3
      2 May 2023 18: 36
      North Koreans in their complexes with drones use crypto-resistant command radio lines with a signal level below "white noise", which creates certain problems for reconnaissance equipment. Such radio links of the Stroy-P complex with the Pchela RPV were developed by the Moscow Research Institute Kulon of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry, which did not live up to the current boom in interest in drones. As adversaries write, in the 90s, one such complex with documentation was sold to the DPRK.
    2. +3
      3 May 2023 14: 07
      Electronics in the DPRK is developed at the highest level and military electronics, at least, does not retreat from Chinese or Japanese.

      Comrade, are you crazy?
      1. -1
        4 June 2023 08: 28
        Quote: sergej_84
        Electronics in the DPRK is developed at the highest level and military electronics, at least, does not retreat from Chinese or Japanese.

        Comrade, are you crazy?

        I tried on the work of automating greenhouses. It turns out that this is complex electronics with controllers having several thousand discrete inputs and outputs. In the DPRK, the greenhouse industry is very developed. It is doubtful that the leadership of the DPRK spends a lot of currency on the purchase of such expensive electronics. To make greenhouse automation based on imported components in their climate more ruinous than the creation of nuclear weapons or electronics for air defense. So, apparently, electronics in the DPRK is more modern than in Russia, at least in the civilian industry. In the greenhouse industry, designers and programmers from the DPRK are more advanced than in Russia. Although it is possible that the Russian elite is simply afraid that if you order new equipment from Russian designers and not buy it in France and the Netherlands, then in 30 years the Russian elite will change radically. D. Medvedev buys yeast factories 15 times more expensive in France and bought 4 times more expensive in China than they were ready to make him in Kabardino-Balkaria.
  16. -6
    2 May 2023 10: 33
    Quote: sergej_84
    The mere fact that the author undertook to cover the topic of the DPRK deserves respect, since it is extremely difficult to write about this piece of medieval Asian feudalism lost in time, and 99,9999 percent of the local audience do not represent the real situation in this country at all.

    Do you see 99,9999 percent of the local audience in these or not?
    And the fragments of medieval European feudalism are also Great Britain, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, and Japan is a fragment of Asian feudalism.
  17. MSN
    +1
    2 May 2023 18: 54
    In the 1980s-1990s, in close air combat, the XNUMXth, due to its high maneuverability and thrust-to-weight ratio, had an advantage over all Western fighters.


    A little wrong. Turning characteristics are given, accelerating I can give, it is also equal.
    "Comparison of the turning characteristics of the F-16CJ and MiG-29 aircraft

    Information sources:
    F-16CJ - Performance data 1F-16CJ-1-1
    MiG-29 - Practical aerodynamics of the MiG-29

    Design cases.
    Data for comparison is selected based on the maximum proximity of the initial conditions, which can be determined from the corresponding diagrams, graphs and tables.

    1000 meters high
    In this calculation case, the characteristics of the steady turn of aircraft without external suspensions, at low altitude, with a fuel reserve of about 1500 kg, performed at full afterburner, are compared.

    F-16CJ
    Turn Performance Chart - 5000 Feet (1524 m)
    The weight of the equipped aircraft with a pilot, oil, two close-range missiles at the ends of the wing, a full ammo cannon, without fuel is 18 pounds (400 kg).
    The fuel weighs 3 pounds (600 kg).
    The estimated weight of the aircraft is 22 pounds (000 kg).

    From the diagram we obtain the maximum angular velocity of a steady turn without loss of altitude (Ps = 0) at an altitude of 5000 feet (1524 m) with an aircraft weight of 22 pounds and a normal overload of 000g, a speed of 9M - about 0,8 degrees per second. Diagram 19.

    MiG-29
    Diagram "Radius and time of limiting turns at heights of 1000 and 5000 meters".
    Fuel weight - 1 kg.
    The estimated weight of the aircraft is 13 kg.

    From the text of the description and the diagram, we obtain the execution time of a steady turn at an altitude of 1000 m, normal overload 9g and speed 750 km/h according to the instrument - about 19 seconds. Diagram 2.
    From this time, the angular velocity 360/19 = 19 degrees per second is calculated.

    5000 meters high
    We find the angular velocity of a fixed turn for a height of 5000 meters.
    For the F-16CJ aircraft from the Turn Performance chart - 15 Feet (000 m). Diagram 4.
    For the MiG-29 aircraft from diagram 2, but for the 5000 m altitude curve.

    F-16CJ - 14 degrees per second at a speed of 0,87M and an overload of 7g.
    MiG-29 - full bend time at an altitude of 5000 meters - 28, at a speed of 750 km / h on the device.
    From this time, the angular velocity 360/28 = 13 degrees per second is calculated.

    Conclusion:
    the turning characteristics of the F-16CJ and MiG-29 aircraft at low and medium altitudes are almost equal (within the limits of the data reading error)."
    1. +2
      3 May 2023 01: 28
      Probably, it's still in the helmet sight.
      According to the Military Review website winked : "Farnborough International 98" (SBAC 50th Anniversary Farnborough Airshow Collection), p. S.) was compared in tests (apparently in the same Germany - D.S.) with the MiG-81 armed with the R-16. Of the 9 fights against the P-29, AIM-73M won only one. Close-range combat training between F-50s with AIM-73Ms and MiG-9s with helmet-mounted sights and R-15s showed that the MiG could acquire targets in airspace 9 times larger than the F-29. https://topwar.ru/2291-fulcrummig-29-protiv-hornet.html
      That the helmet sight was a big surprise in the BVB is beyond doubt. But we will leave the statement about the victory "49 to 1" on the conscience of VO soldier .
      1. MSN
        +2
        3 May 2023 19: 10
        The helmet-mounted sight appeared in the USA in 1971. VTAS 1, 2. Read it, it's interesting.
    2. +1
      5 May 2023 21: 27
      Quote: MSN
      A little wrong. Turning characteristics are given, accelerating I can give, it is also equal.
      "Comparison of the turning characteristics of the F-16CJ and MiG-29 aircraft

      Information sources:
      F-16CJ - Performance data 1F-16CJ-1-1
      MiG-29 - Practical aerodynamics of the MiG-29
      ...
      F-16CJ
      Turn Performance Chart - 5000 Feet (1524 m)
      The weight of the equipped aircraft with a pilot, oil, two close-range missiles at the ends of the wing, a full ammo cannon, without fuel - 18 pounds (400

      F-16CJ modification of Block 50, and Block is the end of 1991 - the beginning of 1992. Before it there were 25, 30/32 and 40/42. By the way, why did the F-16CJ feel 1000 kg lighter compared to the Block 50? GW Block 50 - 21000 pounds with two AMRAAMs at the wingtips. Maneuverability is best compared at the same speeds of less than 600 km / h on the instrument. And then you both got a minimum turn time of 19 s, but the MiG has less overload and turn radius, and the F-16 is higher.
      1. MSN
        0
        6 May 2023 21: 28
        I agree with the weight. Should be like this:
        Curb weight with pilot, oil, oxygen and two AIM-9 rocket launchers at the wingtip, without fuel - 19 pounds (300 kg).
        The fuel weighs 2 pounds (700 kg).
        Estimated weight was 22 pounds (000 kg).

        As for speeds, the best value is simply taken from the nomogram. This is true for both aircraft. We reduce the speed and overload - time and angular velocity fall. Again same for both respectively. Then what's the point?
        1. 0
          11 May 2023 23: 35
          Quote: MSN
          I agree with the weight. Should be like this:
          Weight equipped with a pilot, oil, oxygen and two launchers for the AIM-9 rocket at the end of the wing, without fuel - 19 pounds (300 kg) ...

          I still can't understand it. Block 50, of which the CJ is a variant, in a similar "form" without fuel, only with AMRAAM instead of AIM-9 at the wingtips, weighs 21000 pounds. Where did the £1700 go?

          Quote: MSN
          As for speeds, the best value is simply taken from the nomogram. This is true for both aircraft. We reduce the speed and overload - time and angular velocity fall. Again same for both respectively. Then what's the point?

          Here the matter is different. With you, with the same angular speed of turn, the MiG has a smaller turning radius due to lower speed. And this means that the MiG wins the position, for example, in the "scissors" maneuver during prolonged maneuvering. But the F-16 is 500 meters higher ...
  18. -3
    3 May 2023 10: 34
    The weight of the equipped aircraft with a pilot, oil, two close-range missiles at the ends of the wing, a full ammo cannon, without fuel is 18 pounds (400 kg).
    The fuel weighs 3 pounds (600 kg).
    The estimated weight of the aircraft is 22 pounds (000 kg).

    The entire aircraft, on which the maneuvering characteristics decisively depend, also decisively depends on the range of the air combat site to the home airfield.
    For DPRK interceptors, fuel should be enough for about a few minutes of combat + 100 km to their airfield (incl. reserve), and for US attack and escort aircraft for about a few minutes to fight + 400-500 km to their airfield.
    If somewhere closer there will be recharging in the air, then the tank plane is a very good target.
    1. MSN
      +4
      3 May 2023 19: 14
      Mig 29 is the fighter to protect its airfield. It suits your concept of using the DPRK Air Force. Only one problem. What if they don't let you out of the fight? Excuse - mom calls to eat is unlikely to pass ...
  19. -3
    4 May 2023 15: 46
    Mig 29 is the fighter to protect its airfield. It suits your concept of using the DPRK Air Force.

    The DPRK is a small state (about 500 by 200 km) and the airfield is always very close to the protected object. This is not Russia. At the same time, 80% of the territory is mountains. So the concept is not mine, but North Korean, and is fully consistent with the features of the protected state.
    Only one problem. What if they don't let you out of the fight? Excuse - mom calls to eat is unlikely to pass ..
    .
    Who will find it more difficult to get out of the battle - a plane whose airfield is covered by its ground-based air defense and which is close at hand, or a plane whose airfield is nine lands in the tenth?
  20. -3
    4 May 2023 15: 51
    Quote: sergej_84
    Electronics in the DPRK is developed at the highest level and military electronics, at least, does not retreat from Chinese or Japanese.

    Comrade, are you crazy?

    What information do you have on this issue? Forgive my ignorance and enlighten everyone.
  21. MSN
    +2
    4 May 2023 20: 18
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Who will find it more difficult to get out of the battle - a plane whose airfield is covered by its ground-based air defense and which is close at hand, or a plane whose airfield is nine lands in the tenth?

    It is more difficult for someone who runs out of fuel and does not turn on the afterburner to leave.
  22. MSN
    +3
    4 May 2023 20: 21
    Quote: Kostadinov
    What information do you have on this issue?

    Forgive me for interrupting your conversation. Indeed, there is no information on the electronics of the DPRK. Just like electronics. Nowhere. Not in a meat grinder, washing machine, fighter jet, or even on a telephone. Is that logical? No electronics - no information.
    1. 0
      4 June 2023 08: 49
      Quote: MSN
      Indeed, there is no information on the electronics of the DPRK. Just like electronics.

      Greenhouse economy. You noticed that 3 years ago everyone was waiting for the inevitable collapse of the DPRK from hunger. There were reasons for this. The climate has changed drastically. The rainy season shifted to the time of harvesting, and the dry season to the time of its ripening. In the DPRK, a lot of greenhouses were built in 3 years. The greenhouse control system consists of several thousand discrete inputs and outputs. This is very complex electronics. A famine similar to the one that was called the "difficult campaign" has now been avoided.
  23. MSN
    0
    12 May 2023 14: 21
    Quote: Comet
    I still can't understand it. Block 50, of which the CJ is a variant, in a similar "form" without fuel, only with AMRAAM instead of AIM-9 at the wingtips, weighs 21000 pounds. Where did the £1700 go?

    One modification may have different weights depending on the installed engines

    Yes, and AMRAAM is twice as heavy, as it were.
  24. 0
    16 May 2023 11: 19
    Quote: MSN
    Quote: Kostadinov
    What information do you have on this issue?

    Forgive me for interrupting your conversation. Indeed, there is no information on the electronics of the DPRK. Just like electronics. Nowhere. Not in a meat grinder, washing machine, fighter jet, or even on a telephone. Is that logical? No electronics - no information.

    Forgive me for seeing your statement late that there are no electronics in the DPRK because you have no information. This is a wonderful statement - if you don't know something, it doesn't exist.
    There is such information in the wide world.
  25. 0
    16 May 2023 11: 26
    Quote: MSN
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Who will find it more difficult to get out of the battle - a plane whose airfield is covered by its ground-based air defense and which is close at hand, or a plane whose airfield is nine lands in the tenth?

    It is more difficult for someone who runs out of fuel and does not turn on the afterburner to leave.

    Afterburner for leaving may not be needed if the enemy must evade ground air defense and leave first. And the fuel will run out before the one whose airfield is far away