The army needs front line transporters - and urgently

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The army needs front line transporters - and urgently
The US military evacuates the wounded using a small-sized John Deere M-Gator off-road transporter, which is used by the US Armed Forces as a front-line transporter, including for delivering ammunition to the front line and removing the wounded from the front line


The failure (let's call a spade a spade) of an attempt to quickly "settle" with Ukraine led to a war of attrition, and the decision of either the military or political leadership of the Russian Federation to shift the main vector of efforts to the Donbass, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine since 2016 has methodically turned and turned into the most the largest fortified area in the world (and this was known for a very long time to everyone who was at least somehow interested in the issue - see the article "Ukraine and our readiness for war"written by before the start of the, in two days), led to the revival of positional warfare, forgotten many decades ago.



Unfortunately, it is still impossible to reveal the mechanism of this impasse and the methods of getting out of it - the topic is closed, and no media will let it through. So let's just focus on the facts.

The main type of combat operations of the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation (including all the motley PMCs, BARS, and other "Akhmat-forces") is the assault on a stronghold in a building or forest belt.

With a successful assault, the position passes to us, followed by shelling from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then a counterattack, sooner or later the position remains in someone's hands, after which the advancing side goes on a new assault. And so without end. Sometimes the sides change roles - those who defended attack and then vice versa, and then vice versa again, etc.
An endless battle for a trench defended by an incomplete squad that has been exterminated more than once.

This form of hostilities puts in a very acute form the issue of logistics on the battlefield - the troops are almost static, they operate near their strongholds, the advance is measured in hundreds, sometimes tens of meters per day, and it is not necessary to move masses of property following the advancing masses of troops.

But two things are becoming much more important - the delivery of ammunition to the area under fire by the enemy, directly to the units in fire contact, and the removal of the wounded, including the heavy ones. It is far from always possible to complete this task using ordinary armored vehicles or just cars (for example, UAZ). Often you can't. To solve this problem, the RF Armed Forces must return to use such a somewhat forgotten type of vehicle as the front edge conveyor (TPK).
But first, a visual demonstration of the problem.

Front line logistics


We look at this is a hard video. An ukrov tank at close range, from tens of meters, hits a trench occupied, according to the Ukrainian authors of the video, by our fighters. Due to the content, a direct link is given without embedding (the video requires registration and viewing on youtube, category 18+).

Why did it happen? Why are our (according to the Ukrainian side) fighters not at least firing a hand-held anti-tank grenade launcher (RPG)?
With a high degree of probability, shots to the "borders" or one-time RPGs simply ended during the assault on this trench. No fighter can carry an infinite number of disposable grenade launchers or RPG rounds. An assault as such implies a high consumption of ammunition, and it is not surprising that they run out quickly.

They need to be quickly delivered to positions, and this is where the problems begin.
Everything is shot through. To survive, you need to literally squeeze into the ground, no "Tiger", "Athlete", armored "Ural" or UAZ will fit close enough there, simply because of visibility. The soft, rain-soaked soil plowed by artillery will also interfere, ordinary wheeled vehicles simply will not pass through it. And the point of loading and unloading should be literally a few hundred meters behind the firing positions of the infantry firing right now.

On the video, in principle, nothing would have helped, but this is just a demonstration of a recurring problem, both for us and for the enemy - the ammunition needed for combat has run out, there is no delivery.

We will not curse our troops - the same videos where our “armor” unwinds the VSE soldiers at point-blank range, and there is nothing to answer with, and there is a lot on our part, simply because the Armed Forces of Ukraine operate in the same circumstances and face the same difficulties. This video is here specifically so that fans of Twitter “everything is fine, beautiful marquise”, “everything is in the army, and whoever disagrees is the CIPSO”, “nothing needs to be done, everything has already been done” somewhat subsided. Unfortunately, we still have many...

Well, the horror of the war should be felt by couch-hatterers at least this way, and the suffering of the Ukrainian side will clearly not cause empathy.


It is known that in Wagner they are trying to get out of such a situation, for example, pairs of fighters in the rear guard of assault groups, pulling cargo carts with ammunition, often began to be observed. A very smart decision, but...

Firstly, we need a supply for the unit involved in the battle.

And secondly, the second problem is not solved - the evacuation of the wounded.

With this method of military operations, when everything is decided not by air strikes, not by high-tech artillery strikes and not by accurate fire tank guns at the maximum distance, and by assault "barrel to barrel", losses are inevitable, and inevitably a large number of wounded who are unable to move independently.

Practice shows that the first hour after the injury is critical for providing medical care, the Americans even called it the “golden hour” - if the wounded managed to get to the surgeon during this time, when the body still has a reserve of strength, his chances are much higher, than, say, two hours later.

In low-intensity conflicts, helicopters are used to speed up evacuations. Given the scale that the NWO has in Ukraine, this is simply impossible. In mobile warfare, the wounded fighters are picked up by armored vehicles moving along with the advancing troops and delivered to the near rear. But that won't work here.

The only way to get a fighter out of the front line as quickly as possible is the front edge conveyor - a small, “thigh-high” for an adult, highly passable vehicle, with the ability to control it while lying down, which is used as a “shuttle” - there is ammunition, one seriously wounded back, small enough to it was to hide it in bushes or tall grass, in shell craters, behind wrecked equipment and its fragments, etc. The same vehicle should bring ammunition to the “front end”.

There are no such machines in the troops today. There are no substitutes for them, although some volunteer groups are working on this problem, and there are already first results. But they are volunteers. From the Ministry of Defense there is no activity in this direction.

Cars are very much needed, in the same Wagner, a very large number of fighters are used to carry out the wounded, if we take absolute numbers - there are many wounded, the mass of a fighter in a helmet, plate and with various equipment that there is no time to take off is rather big, you need to drag it quickly and according to rough terrain…

In general, "the question is overripe."

Before voicing some options, it is worth making a short digression into history of this vehicle.

A little about the leading edge conveyors


The first mass-produced special-design TPK in the world was the American M274. Work on this machine began as early as 1944, the first samples went for testing in 1948, but production started only in 1956.


One of the M274 modifications, photo militarytrader.com

The car received the unofficial name "Mechanical Mule" (Mechanical Mule). She allowed, due to her small size, to hide her in shell craters, the technical possibility was provided to drive cars, crawling next to her.


A "mechanical mule" with the steering wheel folded down to steer the machine from the ground. Photo: Wikipedia

From 1956 to 1970, 11 of these vehicles were built, which were used by the troops until 240. After 1980, the Americans stopped using them, convincing themselves that, if necessary, the task of "mechanical mules" would be performed by multi-purpose vehicles, namely some kind of Humvee modification. But the fighting showed that the Humvee was of little use for this, and since the 1980s, the US Armed Forces have been using the John Deere M-Gator off-road vehicle to replace the mules.


John Deere M-Gator ATV

Currently, the US Armed Forces are actively experimenting with robotic vehicles of a similar purpose, which have only cargo, no operator on board, and which is controlled remotely or from a remote control. A contract is underway with General Dynamics for the supply of 624 of these MUTT transporters, more on the BMPD blog.


Unmanned tactical transporter MUTT. Photo: canadianarmytoday.com

However, the US is not alone in this. The German company Rheinmetall is already offering its unmanned TPK Mission master, and the British Army has already ordered the first 4 units for trial operation.


Unmanned tactical transporter Mission master. Next to the boxes with ammunition, a stretcher for the wounded was fixed. Photo: army-technology.com

Our country has its own rich history of the creation of the TPK, moreover, such a machine was in the ranks of the USSR Armed Forces for a long time. We are talking about the floating conveyor LuAZ-967M.


In the photo - working out the evacuation of a lying wounded man, the driver controls the conveyor lying down. Photo: all-terrain vehicle-snow and swamp vehicle.rf

I must say that we had different requirements for such equipment than the Americans, the conveyor had to solve a much larger number of tasks, for example, it had to be floating. The main task was to search for the wounded on the battlefield and take them out, like a shuttle “grenade shots there - one wounded back”, this machine should not have worked, but it could take out two lying wounded and one sitting.

Those interested in the issue should read two articles by Evgeny Fedorov “Mechanical mules. Conveyors of the front edge of the Soviet Army и "Conveyors of the front line: from Zaporozhye to" Geologist "in which the question is fully answered.

Now there is nothing similar in the supply of the RF Armed Forces. But there are tasks.

Tactical application model


Briefly, it is worth formulating what this machine should do and what characteristics it must have.

Even at the stage of the advancement of the assault group behind it, a TPK with a driver and a load of ammunition should be disguised and weapons, for emergency replenishment of the expended. At the request or signal (up to a flare) of the commander of the assault group, or the person replacing him, the vehicle advances closer to the front edge, using the terrain for shelter from observation, to the minimum range at which the enemy will not observe it visually from his battle formations.

In a predetermined place, closed from observation from the front, and possibly from above, the cargo is transferred to the assigned fighters of the assault group, who will then carry it on themselves to the front line. The wounded is loaded onto the TPK itself, if there is one, if not, then the dead, and the fighter or the body of the deceased is evacuated to the rear. Then the TPK performs such shuttle flights, delivering ammunition and picking up the wounded and the bodies of the dead.

It must be understood that the mass of cargo will be large, so if an assault group is delivered an automatic grenade launcher with equipped "snails" (ribbons in round grenade launcher boxes), then when repelling a foot attack from the enemy, the ribbons will most likely be shot faster, than TPK will return again with a new batch of ammunition. The same applies to ATGM shots when repulsing a tank attack.

But one way or another, with the presence of the TPK, the combat stability of the unit at the forefront can be significantly higher than without it. It is not necessary to "climb" under fire with small arms on this machine, it will not be used as a combat vehicle. Although, during ambush actions, it will apparently be possible to operate it as an ATGM carrier, for example, but this is not the main task.

Of course, the features of the SVO, with copters and mutual observation deep into the defenses of the warring parties, add certain specifics, but they try to fight the copters, and sometimes successfully, and the wounded will be pulled out anyway, just without TPK they will be carried on foot to such a distance at which it will be possible to hide from observation not self-propelled stretchers half a meter high at most, but something the size of an UAZ at least.

The requirements for the machine are simple - minimum height, high maneuverability on soft soils. One driver, it is desirable that the car can be driven lying down. The load is a recumbent person, we need a flat platform for him, with a fixation that prevents him from falling out, with minimal fences, height, taking into account traumatic lengthening of the limbs and a helmet, take as 2 meters 10 centimeters, this is enough for anyone, mass, taking into account equipment that will not be removed in the field - 130 kg plus a driver of the same weight.

In the absence of a wounded person, it is necessary to be able to transport cargo in boxes, "snails", boxes with tape, zinc, etc., as well as a unit of group weapons, up to a disassembled 82-mm mortar.

A car needs a minimum of instruments, one headlight and one side light is enough, a good exhaust silencer and a compact, high-torque engine, ideally a diesel one, but, generally speaking, not necessarily. It should be as compact as possible, especially during transportation, since it will not walk in convoys with normal cars. The layout scheme can, in principle, be any, as well as the appearance, if the above conditions are met.

And of course, Russian industry should be able to produce it.

Options, design examples and possible contractors


There are the following executable transporter schemes.

1. Four-wheel drive platform, an analogue of the American M274. The most logical option. Potential disadvantages are the price, the need to produce components that are not currently in serial form, the lack of a basic design, the presence of which would speed up development and refinement.

2. Simplified version - four-wheel drive platform, with a drive on one axis. Here we can recall the Kineshma motorized stroller, produced in small quantities by the Avtoagregat plant in the early 2000s.

On the one hand, it was not an SUV, on the other hand, it had a very high cross-country ability for a mono-drive car, there was an option with a domestic diesel engine, the absence of a front-wheel drive made it possible to seriously simplify production, since no drive axle was needed for independent suspension and swivel wheels, no small CV joints, no small-sized transfer case. This car also has less weight.

On the basis of such a motorized carriage, it would be quite possible to create a TPK. Her height allowed it.


Motorized carriage "Kineshma". The height of the machine is visible, when developing a special design for military use, it can be reduced even more. Photo: Autoreview.

Cons - after all, all-wheel drive on soft soils is needed for a four-wheeled platform. A stuck car of this type, in theory, can simply be lifted with your hands and rearranged to the place where it can start, but this is not always possible, besides, the monodrive is less effective on the rise than the all-wheel drive.

3. Jiger. A jigger is a six- or eight-wheeled small-sized all-terrain vehicle, without suspension and steering. Its wheels are cantilevered along the sides, turning is carried out by braking the side.


"Jiger" on trials in the US Army, copyright photo. On the basis of such a machine, it is easy to make a front edge conveyor.

Such machines have a very high cross-country ability, and a very low height is technically ensured, which, in fact, is what is needed. Structurally, the transmission of torque to the wheels is organized very simply - by chains. We are watching a photo from one of the forums.


You can see how it's done. The production of such a machine can be established, in principle, anywhere. You can import it, but it is highly undesirable, the cost of such a Chinese-made all-terrain vehicle is measured in tens of thousands of dollars, and its design for TPK is not optimal - you need your own production.

The disadvantages are a continuation of the advantages - although the circuit with circuits is simple, it requires regular maintenance and, in its absence, can fail quite quickly. It is necessary that the chains are protected from dirt, that is, a case closed from below is required (to ensure patency with such a scheme, it is also required).
This is one of the slowest options, since with an increase in speed such a car will be uncontrollable, and the conditions for the driver will be unbearable.

Another disadvantage is the cost of operation - such a machine has a lot of wheels, when turning, there is high friction between the tires and the surface due to the turning pattern, therefore, their increased wear.

4. Off-road vehicle based on ATV. We look at the Americans and their M-Gator. Everything is obvious.

The advantages of such a machine are ease of operation, the ability to use components from ATVs. Minus - height - the car has a high driver's seat, and this cannot be eliminated with such a control scheme, but an attempt to change it will turn the car into one of the previously listed options.

Probably, the development of an elongated ATV would be the solution to the problem of creating a TPK, it is possible that it is necessary to completely copy the Americans and make a three-axle machine. With so many axles, it can have a 6x4 wheel formula and a non-driving front axle, the proper level of cross-country ability will be provided in this case too.

An important note - such equipment can be simply imported, often it is mass-produced in China in an almost ready-to-use form. This is not a reason to abandon its production in Russia, but as an emergency measure, an ATV-based vehicle, at least four- or six-wheeled, can be imported.

5. Motorcycle with a sidecar. In Russia, Ural motorcycles with a side trailer and rear and side wheel drive are mass-produced.


URAL Gear Up.Photo: uralmoto.ru

When using off-road tires, they have good cross-country ability, and the side trailer can be made as a transport trailer. True, the patency on the weak Ukrainian black soil is in question. In the photo below, such a makeshift alteration is in the hands of a DPR NM fighter, however, not for the wounded, but purely cargo and without a wheelchair drive, which is mandatory for the tasks described above.

Photo "Kommersant"

I must say that this is the worst option. The most expensive of those whose price makes sense to predict, the high seating position of the driver is almost unavoidable, the mass of foreign components that cannot be replaced, problems with stability and maneuverability.

The second problem is purely market. At the very least, but the plant produces 1–000 motorcycles a year, the issue is that the vast majority of them are sold in the West, and if it falls under sanctions, it will be impossible for the plant to survive them. Some organizational measures are needed to prevent this, however, as a possibility, it is worth keeping in mind the motorcycle. In any case, motorcycles were used in the past to evacuate the wounded.


Sanitary motorcycle of the US Armed Forces of the First World War


Experimental medical motorcycle, 1942, USA

It is clear that such a method of transportation, to put it mildly, is uncomfortable and not useful for the wounded, but it will usually take less than a kilometer to drive ... Although it would be better to find another way, this one is an extreme measure.

Now it is worth paying attention to which enterprises could become contractors for the manufacture of such equipment.

"Avtoagregat" will definitely not produce anything like this anymore, this enterprise now lives by renting out premises, but any of the "grands" of the military automotive industry (for example, the Military Industrial Company) would effortlessly master the first three types of TPK.

As for ATV-like structures, Russian Mechanics, which already produces domestic ATVs, just not localized, looks like an ideal contractor here. The order for the creation of a quadrocycle-like TPK, at least two-, at least three-axle, "Russian Mechanics" would have fulfilled without problems.


ATVs produced by Russian Mechanics, on the basis of this backlog, it is quite possible to create a TPK. Photo: Vitaly Kuzmin

With a motorcycle, everything is clear, additional explanations are not needed.

It is worth mentioning, as a possible example, a connection between the design organization Zenit-Defense from the city of Fryazino, Moscow Region, which develops military buggies, and the production company Chechen-Avto from the city of Argun in the Chechen Republic.
Chechen-Avto produces the highly successful Chaborz (Medved in Chechen) buggies developed in Fryazino, and there is no reason to believe that the potential of these two companies would not solve the problem of creating a TPK, although it must be admitted that Russia is not rich components for such a TPK (unlike a buggy).

If we talk about components, then Russian Mechanics is capable of producing something, perhaps some orders could be placed at the Irbit Motor Plant, taking into account the previously described difficulties. But for some options there are serial small-sized diesel engines - civilian TMZ-450D and TMZ-520D, produced by the Tula Machine-Building Plant.


Diesel engine TMZ-520D, photo "Tula Machine-Building Plant"

The power and torque of these single-cylinder engines are, in principle, sufficient, for example, for a non-wheel drive platform or a jigger. Reliability, however, is average, and the plant itself is somehow without enthusiasm selling its civilian equipment, but these are not insurmountable difficulties. The plant also has more powerful small-sized diesel engines, but they are intended for military equipment, and there is no information about them in the public domain.

In general, it should be recognized that the technical appearance of the future TPK is understandable, and in different versions, there are contractors capable of producing it, at least there are domestic-made engines, and in general the problem can be solved. On condition - if it is solved, of course.

So far, only volunteers are doing something similar.

Role of volunteers


Now everything is in the hands of private individuals. An organized, but slow (due to limited resources) development of a full-fledged TPK is being carried out by only one volunteer group, but so far there is no appearance of the machine.

On the other hand, projects of special vehicles for the evacuation of the wounded have become much more widespread.

First of all, we are talking about evacuation carts driven by a person. Examples of such carts are TET-1 tactical evacuation carts, in the photo below the transfer of such carts to the troops by the Military Technical Museum from Chernogolovka, where they and were manufactured.


Such a cart greatly facilitates the evacuation of the wounded, but is not a replacement for the TPK (although it complements it perfectly, covering the area from the front to the nearest shelter for the TPK, to which the TPK can reach). It does not help in the delivery of ammunition to the "front end".

The next step of the volunteer groups is the creation and delivery of electric evacuation carts to the front. Such trolleys have already been created by various groups, and some of them are being tested. How exactly this initiative will end, time will tell, while the preliminary results are encouraging, but such electric carts are still not a TPK, but the same means of taking out the wounded directly from the “front end”, although it is already possible to take him away on such a cart quite far, up to where the car can drive. That is, these trolleys partially cover the TPK niche, and they are silent, which can sometimes be very important. Nevertheless, the full range of TPK capabilities is not available to them.

However, most likely, the first full-fledged TPK, which will be at the disposal of the Russian army, will be “volunteer”.

It’s another matter that no volunteers can deploy the mass production of such machines, and here it’s time for the Ministry of Defense to get involved in the work with our wonderful defense industry. Let's see how quickly the Ministry of Defense realizes this.
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  1. +34
    April 30 2023 05: 03
    The army needs front line transporters - and urgently
    Socks, copters are collected by the people, and the "Volhynia" are old, they will collect with motorcycles, get used to something .. the reforms.
    1. +22
      April 30 2023 07: 44
      "... we need front edge conveyors .."
      Yes, we had TPK! And not stupid. Removed.
      And even now it is not a problem to establish their production, not a spaceship.
      It's just that the "brain of the army" turned out to be flawed. They hired them for responsible work to determine the elements of tactics and equipment of the ground forces in Moscow, "thieves" and it became not a job, but warm places occupied, often by window dressing specialists. But a lot had already been invented before them.
      The horse understands that. In the Urals, you can’t drive into a platoon stronghold on the front end, it’s also not always possible and advisable to send an infantry fighting vehicle to take out one wounded, etc.
      Yes, by the way, back in the 30s of the last century, the military understood that, for example, a gun should not be delivered to a firing position by a truck, but by a lightly armored artillery tractor. And there is MTLB. To equip it not with a towbar, but with a coupling device, like a car tractor, when towing with a suspended bridge, so that you can withdraw from the firing line within 30 seconds or even shoot against the bed, but not completely unhooking the artillery system - this is the solution to the problem of changing the position of towed artillery .
      Or he will put a DZ plant on a tank only in some places, and the chiefs from the GBTU take it for granted, and then in the troops they cook "braziers" and put DZ handicraft.
      It is necessary for those who overlooked, just stupid to deprive them of high ranks and gain intelligence in PMCs.
      1. +7
        April 30 2023 08: 18
        And now it’s not a problem to establish their production
        - well, our bicycles are produced from imported parts, automakers have a lot of problems, and here is a new TPK .... hi
        1. +8
          April 30 2023 11: 04
          Bicycles are easier and more profitable to buy in China.
          And TPK is not new at all, but a well-forgotten old one. As an option, the power unit and transmission from Niva, the body - a tub, like that of TPK - LUAZ, can be made at any mechanical plant. What are the problems here? Or for an easier option, a power unit from a Ural motorcycle. And there are many such options. What problems does the auto industry have here, what is there to replace imports?
          They just thought not with their heads, but with priests, they say, without awakening the war ..
          You just need for a separate new PMC called Shtrafbat and things will get off the ground
          1. +11
            April 30 2023 11: 58
            "any mechanical factory" sounds nice, but how many are left? And how many specialists are there to work for them?
            Today, we cannot design a modern manual gearbox for KAMAZ, we don’t have our own automatic gearbox for cars. Remind about the replacement of the An-2? 30 years of giving birth. The question is why is this so? And the answer is simple - all this is not needed inside the Moscow Ring Road.
            1. 0
              April 30 2023 15: 32
              Quote: faiver
              "any mechanical factory" sounds nice, but how many are left?
              "How many factories has Putin built in Russia?" https://youtu.be/3Ji5rksaqMI (5 year old movie) Here (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC% D1%8F+%D0%B2%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%91%D0%B4) you can find more recent information

              For 2022 https://youtu.be/R_qRBzaG4xg?t=43
            2. -2
              1 May 2023 17: 13
              Everything is already there - it is called LuAZ. Rework to modern requirements. Not ideal, but better than nothing.
              1. TIR
                -2
                9 May 2023 10: 39
                Or make 4-axle or on rubber tracks. The second option is higher permeability. Small diesel engines have also been around for a long time
          2. 0
            1 May 2023 09: 32
            What does easier and more profitable mean? For whom it is easier and for whom it is more profitable. The leadership of such logic has already brought the country to a zugunder ...
        2. WFP
          0
          9 July 2023 11: 21
          What is he new? LuAZ is fully suitable for the parameters indicated in the article, even in excess. And it is quite realistic to resume its production at some plant in the Russian Federation.
      2. +5
        April 30 2023 10: 52
        Quote: Alekseev
        Yes, we had TPK! And not stupid. Removed.
        And even now it is not a problem to establish their production, not a spaceship.

        We had a lot. It's just that the army has been preparing for small local wars for 30 years, and everything that is not applicable there has been removed.
      3. 0
        3 May 2023 13: 37
        It was not the brain of the army that turned out to be flawed, but the whole system, because the same thing is happening in all sectors and areas, from sports to the army, from medicine to education. It’s just that the army is now more in sight, and you won’t get off with beautiful pictures from TV alone
    2. AAK
      +3
      April 30 2023 09: 54
      Eh, we just don’t have something .... as it turns out - a lot ... a similar transporter was in the Soviet Army based on LuAZ, very low and very passable, and the Zaporozhets had full manual control for the disabled, allowing to make a conveyor with the ability to control lying down ... to recreate such a machine, one would need only a completely acceptable small upgrade, but alas, alas ....
      1. +8
        April 30 2023 14: 15
        Even a handcart on bicycle wheels, which you can drag behind you crawling or crouching, and carry the wounded, and 100-150 kg of cargo to the front line, is better than nothing and drag the boxes along the ground. Setting up production would be easy.
        But where are the supplier support measures?
        Where is the exemption from extortions in the FIU, from taxes for those who do something for the army?
    3. +4
      April 30 2023 18: 08
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      The army needs front line transporters - and urgently

      In the Russian Federation, after all, they developed the Marker modular platform.
      There are already 2 versions on a wheeled chassis, and 3 tracked ones.
      There are several configuration options.

      And on November 15, 2021, a courier robot was introduced
      In addition to cargo containers, the robot will be able to transport special capsules,
      equipped with a life support system for the evacuation of the wounded from the battlefield.

    4. +3
      April 30 2023 18: 28
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      ,


      A robotic orderly to evacuate the wounded from the battlefield was created by an engineer from Irkutsk.
      His name is Andrey Zolotoev.
      He has already become famous for his homemade electric vehicles.
      And the ROBCOM company from Novosibirsk already offers them.

      For the safe evacuation of wounded soldiers from the battlefield.


      For transporting ammunition


    5. 0
      April 30 2023 19: 00
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      From the Ministry of Defense there is no activity in this direction.

      The activity was still in the summer of 2020.
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          2. +8
            April 30 2023 21: 53
            Well, a man with months has lost his mind, think about it)
            But for the rest, in fact, he said everything!
            1. +2
              April 30 2023 22: 43
              Quote: Sanguinius
              otherwise, in fact, he said everything!

              Or maybe the author did not work with the material enough?
              He didn’t even mention the THeMIS complex.
              And the first one was delivered to Ukraine in August 2022.
              We signed a contract for the supply of 14 units.
              I did not find a photo of THeMIS from the front line.
              They also do not exist and propaganda?



              1. +7
                1 May 2023 10: 26
                We are talking about equipping the TPK, our armed forces, and not Ukraine.
                And with us, I haven’t seen them for some reason, so what is Timokhin wrong about?
                1. +4
                  1 May 2023 14: 14
                  Quote: Sanguinius
                  what is Timokhin wrong about?

                  We are children - to find out who is right and who is not?

                  Briefly, I see the article like this:
                  The author complained about the authorities
                  mentioned old Soviet and foreign projects.
                  Then he cited several modern foreign samples as an example.
                  But the one that has already begun to supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine - ignored.
                  And the enemy must be known by sight.

                  For the sake of completeness, this was not superfluous.
                  The question would arise: “Why does the Armed Forces of Ukraine have it, but we don’t”?
                  A search in the Russian media, and on public procurement would give a result.
                  It would be possible to compare the performance characteristics of the complexes for the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, their modifications and capabilities.
                  But we don't see it.

                  And the reader agrees with the author: yes, the bourgeois have robots, and our carts are from volunteers.
                  As an option - alteration of buggies and ATVs.
                  But effective enterprise managers...
                  So for now, only volunteers are doing this.

                  Decide for yourself whether the author is right or not.
                  1. 0
                    1 May 2023 15: 50
                    To complete the picture, yes, it would not hurt if the author also indicated our modern developments in this area in the article, but this is not as important as for me, since, in fact, they are not in the army.
                    The fact that the Ukrainians already have them in service, I must admit, I personally did not know. But this can hardly be read as a fault to the author. What had to be indicated, the author indicated, namely, the absence of such TPKs in our country, that's all
                    1. 0
                      1 May 2023 17: 41
                      Quote: Sanguinius
                      What should have been indicated, the author indicated

                      In short, he's a good guy
                      There are only scoundrels around, and only one Dartagnan.
                      And read about the testing of Russian robots in the NWO zone in Rogozin's cart.
                      So what?
                      1. +2
                        1 May 2023 21: 24
                        Why "there are only villains around"? You, too, well done, supplemented with your information, the article of the author, from which many thanks to you)
                        And read about the testing of Russian robots in the NWO zone in Rogozin's cart.

                        Here he is, certainly not Dartagnan laughing
                      2. -2
                        2 May 2023 20: 31
                        Quote: Sanguinius
                        thank you very much)

                        Please)
                        I am also a former VO author.
                        I tried to study the topic thoroughly,
                        so that the reader does not have to go to third-party resources for explanations.
                        I also studied foreign sources.
                        The article took from several weeks to several months.

                        Quote: Sanguinius
                        certainly not Dartagnan

                        He cannot be accused of cowardice.
                        He was not wounded in a boarding school for noble maidens.
                        And his team posts useful information:
                        then beware of shops with surprises,
                        then a life hack on how to protect equipment from enemy kamikaze drones.
                        Well, everything in this world is relative.
                        Is not it wink
                      3. 0
                        12 July 2023 12: 23
                        Have you read anything about tests? I would like to read about serial products delivered to the troops.
              2. +3
                2 May 2023 00: 12
                Or maybe the author did not work with the material enough?
                Even the THeMIS complex was not mentioned

                So a piece of mass-produced copy, why mention it then?
                1. +1
                  2 May 2023 22: 58
                  Quote: alexmach
                  why mention him

                  A reward of 1 million rubles has been announced for the trophy robot THeMIS.
                  For piece, and small-scale.
                  Which is already in the NWO zone.
          3. +4
            1 May 2023 12: 38
            Missed the buttons. Well, you understand what I mean. Come back when these markers go to the troops
  2. +26
    April 30 2023 05: 15
    Your mother, I here on the site many years ago said once that it was necessary to resume the production of old Ant scooters - it drags 400 kilos and, if necessary, is carried on its hands through a stream, for example. Neighing here like a whole herd. By the way, it is easy to put on it, for example, the same ATGM with ammunition for pipes and two fighters - and it will turn out much better than cutting at dill with Stugna-P on a golf cart, in which Avakov was still photographed.
    And with permeability. The ant just traveled in the villages, where there are no roads in sight - nothing, he traveled very much. And you can shove the quadrics in ... You won’t take Nichrome on it, and there is no cargo platform there. Leave them to the Pontores near Moscow - to dissect along the beaches
    1. +20
      April 30 2023 06: 02
      There was also a Ural with the same cargo platform
    2. +11
      April 30 2023 06: 16
      Yes, your "Ant" is complete crap, in the sense of a war, but an indispensable thing for the economy on a collective farm. A transporter is needed - The only way to pull a fighter from the front line as quickly as possible is the front edge transporter - a small, “up to the thigh” for an adult, a highly passable vehicle, with the ability to control it while lying down, which is used as a “shuttle” - there is ammunition, one seriously wounded back, quite small (c) -, a small infantry fighting vehicle, an engine from a vase (what else is there, ideally a small diesel engine 1-1.4 liters of horses for 70, because the ant will not have a power reserve, a caterpillar chassis, rubber tracks, a suspension of high energy intensity with the possibility of changing the clearance , the polyethylene body from which the armor is made (high-molecular), the possibility of remote control with remembering the road and returning track to track. Do not forget about the heaps of "petals" when you run into which kirdyk your transport, copters, kamikaze copters. Everything else is from the evil one ...
      1. +4
        April 30 2023 17: 39
        "diesel 1-1.4 liters of horsepower for 70, because the ant will not have a power reserve, caterpillar running gear, rubber tracks, high energy-intensity suspension with the possibility of changing the clearance, the polyethylene body from which armor is made (high molecular weight), the possibility of remote control with memorizing the road and I will return the trail to the trail."
        do you have any idea how much it will cost? like a cast-iron bridge, approximately. And also, "control with remembering the road and returning track to track," how will he remember, write down on a piece of paper?
      2. +4
        April 30 2023 18: 59
        Let them minus as much as they want. But "Ant" is CRAP. With us, he demanded the capital of the engine after 6 thousand km !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! normal operation, normal people. A little gruzani, rears up, Tumbles sideways for any reason. The box is stuck with mats, it is not clear how. You adapt, of course, but ......., to kill all the scumbags.
        Moreover, the second "Ant" died even earlier. If someone made candy out of this rubbish, then in the army, scrap metal will definitely remain from him after 50 off-road kilometers.
      3. 0
        1 May 2023 22: 49
        Tires there should definitely be airless (filled with polyurethane foam). Therefore, Petals can be excluded from the list of threats.
      4. 0
        18 October 2023 16: 47
        Somehow, during the assault on Mariupol, I thought that it would be possible to put a soldier in a sapper suit in a “cart” or a buggy. Well, and a robotic assault weapon. The cheapest design would be front-wheel drive, placing the driver and engine side by side between the drive wheels. A diesel engine differs from a gasoline engine in its fuel equipment. To make a gasoline engine more torquey, the flywheel can be made heavier.
    3. +1
      April 30 2023 06: 34
      This Ant was rubbish, rubbish and will remain
    4. +11
      April 30 2023 06: 57
      Did you use it in the village? An ant on three wheels is unstable, it sometimes somersaults in a rut on a country road, and on the front end where everything is pitted with shells and caterpillars, you will not ride it, but drag it.
      1. -1
        April 30 2023 17: 42
        "An Ant on Three Wheels is Unstable"
        Is the fourth wheel difficult to screw on?
    5. +2
      April 30 2023 08: 36
      I don't think these devices are useful. With the current saturation of the troops with mortars, automatic grenade launchers, artels, detection devices, snipers, drones, etc. - whatever one may say, but at least light armor is needed. Otherwise, all these wagons will be a one-way road. I would not want to be on such a thing, say, under mortar fire ..

      Maybe something like a mini-MTLB? Let's say - similar in concept to the classic Universal Carrier of WWII, only in a modern way? Even lower, more comfortable and with a roof? No wonder they were riveted under 60 thousand at one time ...

      1. +4
        April 30 2023 10: 55
        Quote: paul3390
        Maybe something like a mini-MTLB? Let's say - similar in concept to the classic Universal Carrier of WWII, only in a modern way? Even lower, more comfortable and with a roof? No wonder they were riveted under 60 thousand at one time ...

        A good idea, but this is a tracked vehicle, and it is a priori more expensive. Maybe it’s easier then for a buggy with local reservation of the hood and sides? Engine and suspension from the fields. Armor only on the hood and in the form of inserts in the door. Armored glass is not needed for such a carrier - you can put armored steel gratings on the front - from 5,45 with luck it will protect.
        1. 0
          April 30 2023 12: 56
          this is a tracked vehicle, and it is a priori more expensive.

          Well - I think it's a question of the organization of production and the size of the series ... Although - probably the wheels of the type of armored personnel carriers, only small ones, will do. But it’s not a fact - whatever one may say, but the caterpillar is much more passable .. Let’s say in the spring on black soil - the wheels may not pass ..
      2. +3
        April 30 2023 11: 12
        Quote: paul3390
        Maybe something like a mini-MTLB? Let's say - similar in concept to the classic Universal Carrier of WWII, only in a modern way? Even lower, more comfortable and with a roof? No wonder they were riveted under 60 thousand at one time ...

        Or raise the drawings of ASU-57. Throwing out the weapon.
        1. +2
          April 30 2023 17: 27
          Well - if we turn to the past, there was such a useful product in the Red Army ...

      3. +4
        April 30 2023 11: 19
        Quote: paul3390
        I don't think these devices are useful.

        Where the infantry hobbles on half-bent, there the transporter will be quite out of place! He's even lower in silhouette.
      4. 0
        6 May 2023 13: 43
        Quote: paul3390
        but at least light armor is needed. Otherwise, all these wagons will be a one-way road.

        And how are the wounded being evacuated and ammunition delivered? Do these people also have a one-way road? There is no need for armor there, it will only make the conveyor heavier, reduce cross-country ability, and reduce the weight carried. The means of individual booking is enough. Here, patency, invisibility and noiselessness are more important.
    6. +3
      April 30 2023 09: 58
      The motor of the Ant is rather weak and in general it has low reliability
    7. +1
      April 30 2023 16: 05
      It is enough to drive across the virgin lands on a quadric and flounder on a scooter. And who will then put what where will sharply clear up. You just need to overcome yourself and open your eyes
    8. +1
      2 May 2023 06: 55
      Excellent thing. My grandfather had one.
    9. 0
      April 29 2024 06: 18
      or import rikshas from india, since they need to give u money. but now everyone is afraid, so they wont accept anything under a brdm1. unarmored vehicles previously used by real mean might only serve the rear and liberated areas now. whats clear, u cant produce much besides fighting vehicles, so the army could even imagine tradeoffs like giving up uaz, motos and light trucks in exchange for armor, some of it openly sold by private companies.
  3. -5
    April 30 2023 05: 32
    Alternatively, you can take the Oka car as the basis for such a conveyor. Finish the four-wheel drive, create a suitable body ... On the other hand, a caterpillar chassis is still preferable.
  4. +10
    April 30 2023 05: 43
    It's a pity the photo was lost ... At the training camp in Daryal, a donkey was put up, with equipment for transporting ammo, in principle, a wounded man can also be .....! I remember a donkey (in a position at the same time !!!) on our subsidiary farm dragging a cart with tanks and one, or even a couple of soldiers! There is no service, in Kazakhstan their locals drove them out for food for the winter, and caught them in the spring! If anything, you can get sick ... Some pluses! Yelling the truth, this is certainly something! In the Great Patriotic War, dogs were used for this purpose. Based on our reality...
    1. +5
      April 30 2023 11: 21
      A dog can even crawl, unlike a donkey.
    2. +6
      April 30 2023 12: 24
      In the mountains, animals have no options, only mules, not donkeys
      1. +1
        April 30 2023 14: 18
        A few years ago, the Turkish army bought 200 mules. To carry minis for mountain troops. In all seriousness.
        1. +5
          April 30 2023 19: 24
          And it's not funny.
          Moreover, organizationally it is not easy, we need the supply of animal feed, veterinary service, etc.
          1. +1
            1 May 2023 18: 12
            There are pack and transport platoons in our mountain brigades throughout the state. And they wrote that mules and Mongolian horses are best suited. But how many of these mountain brigades and how many horses are there?
            1. +1
              1 May 2023 18: 22
              Looked at the website of the Ministry of Defense. There are about 100 horses in the pack-transport platoon of the mountain brigade. And, most importantly, two motorized rifle mountain brigades - the 34th and 55th.
  5. +9
    April 30 2023 05: 43
    . Unfortunately, it is not yet possible to reveal the mechanism of this impasse and the methods of getting out of it.

    Holy truth.

    Before the war, he convinced everyone that we didn’t need Nenko. Having started the war, he has not yet begun. Translated it into a phase - to exhaustion.

    Actions, in my opinion, are senseless and irrational, but maybe there is a secret intent and a healthy grain in this?
    1. +2
      April 30 2023 17: 53
      "The actions, in my opinion, are senseless and irrational, but maybe there is a secret intent and a healthy grain in this?"
      hpp?
  6. +5
    April 30 2023 06: 13
    You can start by modifying the shopping carts with which pensioners go to stores and go to the country. Make it strong accordingly. Do not drag ammunition on a hump, but roll it behind you. A couple of flamethrower shots, four or five zinc cartridges, ten to twenty grenades can be manually transported to the front line at the same time.
    It is also possible to quickly start production on the basis of LUAZ 967. There is nothing complicated there. Unfortunately, the sociologist will not be able to organize production, but at car factories in the regions you can do it yourself. soldier
    1. 0
      6 May 2023 11: 51
      You can start by modifying the shopping carts with which pensioners go to stores and go to the country. Make it strong accordingly. Do not drag ammunition on a hump, but roll it behind you.

      I'm very plus. An electric drive is still possible to assist climbing uphill. I think only the lazy would not appreciate such a thing in the troops.
  7. +3
    April 30 2023 06: 19
    I like to argue about the meaning of life.
    And you can not moo? Politics is the art of the possible.
    ... The leader himself and his state apparatus.
    Now many red lines have been drawn and have already been handed over. There will be a lot more chatter, "ultimatums" not provided with deeds.
    Just study the biography of Grechko and other figures.
    And blow up in the North Sea, in the neutral zone, 100-250 miles, in the bosom of the Britons. Something big.
    This is savings on bandages and tank shots, and the tanks themselves, and tat .. And further down the list, 30 little things for the battlefield.
    Then you can (but will it be necessary?) and blow up 300 miles from New York. But ... It is doubtful, looking at our art of the possible
  8. +8
    April 30 2023 06: 35
    Russia is almost the birthplace of elephants. We had such a transporter. Only not in our invincible and legendary. LuAZ was called. And in the army, the role of cattle was played by a soldier. Round - to wear, square - to roll.
  9. +16
    April 30 2023 06: 47
    While serving in the State Research Institute of Military Medicine of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, he tried several times to raise the issue of the need to develop an ambulance transporter to solve the issues described in the article. But which of the authorities is interested in the opinion of some p / colonel m / s. Give them something global, with great funding, again, this is automotive equipment, respectively, the department of the GABTU, and Maev at that time was not interested, war is not expected ... Now we are slurping cabbage soup with bast shoes ...
    1. -1
      April 30 2023 16: 35
      The system of government in the country is like this. It used to be called Gosplan.)
  10. +9
    April 30 2023 07: 02
    In the old issues of the magazine "Moto" there is a very interesting design of a light caterpillar conveyor with rubber tracks. Motorbike engine, rotation by onboard clutches. Now about the Tula diesel. The diesel engine is normal, but the fuel equipment it has is imported from the Bosch company, you understand what this can lead to. The bollard pumps for this diesel engine were supposed to be produced by YAZTA, but all this demovachanalia put an end to this. So we have big problems in creating front-line transporters, so we "bought everything in the West." Our hyper-managers need to be driven with a certain kind of rags and generally not allowed to continue to manage the industry in the future.
  11. +2
    April 30 2023 07: 03
    The next step of the volunteer groups is the creation and delivery of electric evacuation carts to the front. Such trolleys have already been created by various groups, and some of them are being tested.

    You can see about such carts in the Telegram of the military commander Andrey Filatov.
    Filatov reporter.
    1. +3
      April 30 2023 12: 25
      Yes, he is one of those who drives it, but there are other options.
  12. +5
    April 30 2023 07: 18
    yes, the TPK armies are needed and urgently, but who cares except those whom this TPK will take out. Comrades in Moscow are already doing well, they drive around on Mercs, behahs and other Bentleys. We don’t know how to make such decisions quickly, let alone develop .... hi
  13. +5
    April 30 2023 07: 28
    The copter is needed for a 120 kg payload with a low flight ceiling.
    Several issues are being solved at once: off-road, driver survival, and delivery speed.
    Adapt hooks to the uniform so that the copter can hook the wounded in the most hopeless situations.
    And supply ammunition quickly and products.
    Yes, he could do a lot of things.
    1. 0
      6 May 2023 13: 48
      These copters have their drawbacks. Although he wouldn't mind either.
  14. +9
    April 30 2023 08: 01
    the reindeer herder who sat down on the most important chair had and has his own vision of problems. Yesterday, without taking his eyes off the cheat sheet, he read to us from the TV screens and reported to the Brazilian, Venezuelan, Iranian and other marshals and generals sitting in front of him that now it is very important to hold army sports games with the participation of large formations of military athletes. And here we are talking about the needs of the army in the front line in general and about the transport needs in the front line in particular. What other logistics needs are there at the front, when there is concern for the competition of military athletes’ formations on a cheat sheet in front of your nose!
    And these women are in general's shoulder straps in his MO. What, they became generals having gone from a lieutenant in combat units, anywhere in the steppes of Astrakhan or in the Siberian taiga and in the Karelian swamps, in order to know what problems and needs for small vehicles in military units are not in those located in the center of Moscow or Peter?
    Now is the time that if the enemy in the face of NATO standards will have an advantage even in small vehicles, then the suspicion immediately arises that NATO has an advantage in other means of logistics. We need realistic and urgent solutions and the fulfillment of tasks that the parquet generals do not even see. Give them parades, tank biathlons, army games - here they are in their element. Everything is organized for five...
  15. +5
    April 30 2023 08: 53
    Citizens of Russia, with tenacity worthy of application, have been voting for 30 years in elections for former black marketeers, speculators, currency changers and betrayers of the oath. The result in the country in all spheres of life is natural. Prepare money to help our soldiers... They can't wait for help from anywhere else. It’s the 21st century, and a Russian soldier is storming the trenches on foot with a machine gun at the ready and his chest on the embrasure .... I’m afraid to imagine how many of our men of working and reproductive age have already been put and crippled in this "non-war" ....
    1. 0
      April 30 2023 16: 18
      Citizens of Russia are not asked about all these questions. More precisely, they ask, but purely nominally and no one is interested in opinion)
    2. +1
      April 30 2023 20: 48
      "The citizens of Russia, with tenacity worthy of application, have been voting for 30 years in elections" - well, you are right, like a child. Everyone believes in fairy tales that the Central Electoral Commission tells you.
      1. 0
        1 May 2023 15: 15
        Why do people like you write to me about the fairy tales of the CEC? Sit further on your stale sofas, do not go to any elections, and continue to whine on websites that "everything is predetermined" in Russia. I don't need to write the same nonsense 150 times.
        1. -1
          6 May 2023 13: 50
          Quote: cast iron
          do not go to any elections

          Read what Lenin writes about the bourgeois elections and do not write outright nonsense.
      2. 0
        3 May 2023 10: 10
        Quote: Ivan F
        Everyone believes in fairy tales that the Central Electoral Commission tells you.

        Are you rocking the boat? Undermine the legitimacy of power. Allegedly, the elite usurped power and forged the election results?
  16. 0
    April 30 2023 09: 07
    I read everything and marked my favorite. This:
    We will not curse our troops - the same videos where our “armor” unwinds the VSE soldiers at point-blank range, and there is nothing to answer with, and there is a lot on our part, simply because the Armed Forces of Ukraine operate in the same circumstances and face the same difficulties. This video is here specifically so that fans of Twitter “everything is fine, beautiful marquise”, “everything is in the army, and whoever disagrees is the CIPSO”, “nothing needs to be done, everything has already been done” somewhat subsided. Unfortunately, we still have many...
    Well, the horror of the war should be felt by couch-hatterers at least this way, and the suffering of the Ukrainian side will clearly not cause empathy.

    Yes
    * * *
    Unfortunately, the habit of "beating tails" takes place ONLY FROM THE fact that the Russian leadership is terribly far from real life. You see, they appear out of nowhere, like pimples. It wasn’t, it wasn’t, and suddenly either a hero, or a “meritor”, or some other “cavalier (sha) with bows, red shorts and glasses” ...
    This is reminiscent of those "craftsmen" who start repairs, and then knock on the thresholds of stores in search of materials and tools.
    Even here on the site, some do not make a distinction between the evacuation of the wounded from the front line and the evacuation from the battalion medical center (BMP).
    In a situation where the Ukronazis are not stopped by the sign of the red cross, it is difficult to invent something effective. But a light ambulance platform with a low landing for one wounded man, operating on the “shuttle” principle, is not such a complicated device (unlike the same “Markers”), to which you can attach a pair of folding drags (similar to devices for dragging “kopen” at hay making).
    However, I already understood that advice from the couch is completely different than direct production. The only difference is that "couch experts" can and do imagine what this required should look like, while those "effective managers" appointed to production are "bmp" (without the slightest idea).
    hi
  17. +7
    April 30 2023 09: 31
    Here it is - the bone mind of designers and the military! Only wheels, only "on horseback" ... And no one thought that for a dozen or two years Motodogs have been used in the life. They are already swimming and pulling many hundreds of kg of cargo, even on sleds, even on trolleys. And just above the knee and the patency is super ... And they are made from ... and sticks
    1. +2
      April 30 2023 12: 26
      Well, try to drag a 130 kg body across a field plowed with shells with such a thing in SUMMER
      1. +6
        April 30 2023 12: 38
        Well, try to drag a 130 kg body across a field plowed with shells with such a thing in SUMMER
        Tried it over and over again. Not a body, but logs for a log house. In summer. The log is heavier than 150 kg. And on a plastic drag, everything stretches so well ...
        1. +3
          April 30 2023 13: 54
          Quote: Alexander X
          Tried it over and over again. Not a body, but logs for a log house. In summer. The log is heavier than 150 kg. And on a plastic drag, everything stretches so well ...

          I told you - they are terribly far from life ... This is what a “motorized dog” (motorized towing vehicle) looks like for 114 rubles. Its difference from various wheeled and tracked TPKs is the lack of ground clearance.
          Clearance is ground clearance, or the distance from the lowest point of a structural element under the bottom of the car (for example, a silencer pipe, rear axle housing) to the ground, asphalt or other surface.

          * * *
          The army version is unlikely to be more expensive than 200 ... And even for 000 ... A soldier's life is more expensive ...
        2. 0
          April 30 2023 19: 47
          The key word is "shells", not "plowed".
  18. +6
    April 30 2023 09: 45
    The author raised an extremely relevant and necessary topic.
    Apart from the technical capabilities of the Russian Federation, the optimal solution is an 8 wheeled remotely controlled platform. Can be done with light tracks.
    They are needed in peacetime and wartime, they are extremely versatile. Can be used as a mule, demining vehicle, platform for weapons, etc. Dangerous areas can be overcome without a person, etc., etc. Some pluses without minuses.

    1. +2
      April 30 2023 14: 53
      In fact, unmanned carts would be the best option!!! This would solve many problems. In particular, the payload of such a platform is much higher than that of a manned one. It is better to lose a drone under enemy artillery fire from a BC than to lose cargo, a car, and also a driver. In addition, it is much more difficult to get on such a platform. It is quite possible to create an armored capsule for the transport of the wounded.
      Rogozin spoke there about the Marker family of unmanned ground robots, but since then there has not been a word about them.

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    2. 0
      6 May 2023 13: 54
      Interestingly, this platform suspiciously resembles the M274.
  19. +10
    April 30 2023 09: 49
    Yes, I had one in my company.



    But it was considered exotic. He was assigned to a fighter - CCM in motorsport, who demonstrated all sorts of tricks on him for window dressing.
    And so - MTLB is our everything! laughing

    By the way, these LUAZs are actively sold on the secondary market from the conservation of the Federal Reserve. You don’t need to see the war ... wink
    1. +7
      April 30 2023 16: 39
      Quote: Arzt
      By the way, these LUAZs are actively sold on the secondary market from the conservation of the Federal Reserve.

      In! You can buy a LuaZ from the army, and send it to the army. I wonder if someone from the front line requests them from the rear?
  20. +1
    April 30 2023 10: 09
    2-4 mongrels are asking for these TETs, during the War they dragged the wounded and bk on dogs, so everything is new, well-forgotten old.
  21. Eug
    +4
    April 30 2023 10: 13
    The diesel engine is very "loud", it will be heard from afar, and, as I understand it, during a relative calm, the TPK will be used especially intensively. As for me, an electric motor (it is possible for each axle) with replaceable (at the place where the wounded are delivered or equipment is loaded) batteries is quite realistic. Another - the scheme of the TPK - one driver, two wounded on the sides of him on woven belts stretched over a simple frame of pipes - like the seats of gunners-radio operators on the Fortresses. On the same belts with minimal "additives" it is possible to load the equipment delivered to the front line.
    PS Ironically, in the USSR, TPKs were produced in the Ukrainian city of Lutsk ...
    1. +2
      April 30 2023 13: 02
      The fact that this technique should be electric is without options. Much easier and cheaper. An innovative generator-type device that solves all issues with the charge of not only TPK, but all electronic devices. Now they have a huge range.
      1. 0
        6 May 2023 13: 59
        Quote from cold wind
        The fact that this technique should be electric is without options.

        Batteries are insufficiently energy intensive and flammable. Hybrid drive is better.
  22. 0
    April 30 2023 10: 34
    Short article of the newspaper "Military Industrial Courier" dated 22.11.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX.
    The armored "buses" produced by the Russian industry - armored transporters (APCs) and infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), in particular, the planned "Boomerangs", "Typhoons" and "Kurgans", are better used away from the contact line of troops, in the second echelon, writes "VPK".

    "An attempt to make armored vehicles for all occasions is not the best idea. In urban battles, infantry will be more reliably protected by heavy armored personnel carriers created on the basis of tanks. To quickly move reconnaissance and sabotage groups, small, nimble vehicles are needed, which do not always require reservations, for example buggy," the paper said.

    The publication notes that "the representatives of the ordering departments of the Ministry of Defense did not have elementary communication with participants in hostilities, studying the experience of recent local wars," while it is possible to reduce possible human losses by reducing the number of transported fighters. "However, this will become clear (subject to analytical work) after the first serious losses," the newspaper writes.
    1. +4
      April 30 2023 12: 09
      Quote: Uh Neukhov
      In urban battles, infantry will be more reliably protected by heavy armored personnel carriers created on the basis of tanks.
      In urban battles, the tanks themselves have to be protected by the infantry, and you - "heavy armored personnel carriers will reliably protect the infantry." How and from what?
  23. 0
    April 30 2023 10: 38
    I remember that at VO it was written a couple of years ago that the Americans, first of all, develop and make unmanned mini-transporters for the ground army, and only then all kinds of robo-dogs with machine guns.
    And we have - NIAM unmanned mini-tanks, such as URAN

    "Uraniums" are somehow not promoted in the NWO, Rogozin promised something there, as well as "front line transporters"
    But at least an article about the need was published ... Again, volunteers, again not, and so on.
    Chechen buggies, without a top, fit, IMHO, but they are also visible only at Army 20 exhibitions .....
    Alas.
  24. -1
    April 30 2023 10: 42
    I have written more than once about the war of attrition, "regroupings" and the strategic short-sightedness of the regime, and finally, they openly write about this here too ...
  25. 0
    April 30 2023 11: 03
    For something to be, it requires a task and a goal.
    Only 200 and 300 can tell how it all happens in Russia ..
  26. +5
    April 30 2023 11: 15
    First of all, we are talking about evacuation carts driven by a person.


    Carts and sledges are much better to pull with a walk-behind tractor, resting them on its axle with a lever - the walk-behind tractor easily walks through mud, snow; mass-cheap-repairable-unpretentious.
    But you will need a set of parts to prepare it for a new task - a second set of controls for controlling from prone positions, a high-quality muffler, wide all-metal or plastic wheel cylinders with lugs, in winter - a fabric casing and exhaust airflow so that the engine does not freeze.
    And one more thing - the jigger is designed with a clearly shown serious mistake. Instead of chains, it was necessary to use rubber drive V-belts and toothed belts for drives of industrial machines and machine tools, agricultural machinery, which are very durable, are not afraid of dirt, water, corrosion, and which can generally be taken out of the body into wheel arches and left there without any special protection from the environment. - in this case, an additional volume would be released, and it would probably be possible to reach its height of about 0,8 m.
  27. +1
    April 30 2023 11: 41
    Soon we will collect hunting rifles and cartridges, judging by the statements of Prigogine am , you need to fight something while the military-industrial complex is working am
  28. -5
    April 30 2023 12: 31
    Wichtig wäre im Häuser- und Stellungskampf eine gute Taktik, wie zum Beispiel erst Drohnen zur Aufklärung und Koordinaten, dann Flugzeuge, Hubschrauber, dann Artillerie und, wenn das immer noch nicht hilft, den Goliath-Panzer (T54/55), auch Goliath Tactics genannt, einsetzen. Autonom Naturlich ist das heutzutage kein Hexenwerk! Der Goliath-Panzer detoniert direkt am Haus oder Graben, danach bleibt im Prinzip nichts übrig! Und zum Schluß dann ein, zwei, drei Panzer und dann Soldaten. Das beugt eigenen Verlusten vor und spart zu dem Munition. Und die Einnahme feindlicher Stellungen kann ohne große Verluste schnell durchgeführt werden. Bei der Goliath-Taktik wird nur Sprengstoff benötigt, und wenn man es wie im Iraq macht, dann kommen noch Schrauben und Nägel dazu.

    Angesichts der Tatsache, dass der Feind immer mehr Waffen aus dem Westen bekommt, die Briten Uranmunition und vielleicht sogar biologische und chemische Kampfstoffe einsetzen und sich eine jahrzehntelange menschliche und ökologische Katastrophe abzeichnet, muss Russland das Tempo mehr an ziehen und den Konflikt schnell beenden!

    Es ist gut, dass Straßen, Autobahnen, Brücken, Häuser zerstört werden, alles kann wiederhergestellt werden, aber die ökologische Katastrophe wird jahrzehnte dauern und in dieser Zeit wird nichts gebaut.
    Wer will schon in einem mit Uran kontaminierten Gebiet leben? Siehe Iraq!

    Das Video ist leider nur auf Deutsch, aber die Fotos sprechen Bande! Jahrzehnte nach dem Iraq-Krieg 2003/04. https://www.daserste.de/information/politik-weltgeschehen/weltspiegel/videos/irak-uranmunition-das-strahlende-vermaechtnis-100.html
    1. -1
      6 May 2023 23: 41
      Quote from LeutnantTom
      Wer will schon in einem mit Uran kontaminierten Gebiet leben? Siehe Iraq!

      Erzahl bitte hier kein dummes Zeug. Hier gibt es genug Leute, die sich mit der Munition auskennen und wissen, das der Abgereicherte Uran nichts strahlt und demzufolge nichts kontaminiert. Es gab sogar eine UNO Studie dazu und man hat keine Schäden durch Uran Munition feststellen können. In übrigen haben die Russen auch Munition mit abgereicherten Uran für ihre Panzer, so wie andere Nationen, es gibt nun mal entweder Uran, entweder Wolfram und nichts anderes. Sie Abrams Panzer haben sogar Panzerplatten aus abgereicherten Uran.
  29. +6
    April 30 2023 13: 20
    see the article "Ukraine and our readiness for war", written before the start of the NMD, two days before

    It was interesting to read an article a year ago, and comments on it.
    Quote: bar
    According to the author and article. Timokhin is a well-known alarmist and defeatist.

    But the author was a realist, and even too optimistic - everything turned out to be much worse.
    1. +6
      April 30 2023 19: 26
      Yes, it turned out even worse than I expected.
      1. 0
        1 May 2023 15: 30
        I’ll throw some firewood ... What’s with the gas turbine engine for the fleet, and where did the calibers go?
        1. +1
          1 May 2023 20: 03
          Caliber seems to have been fired yesterday.
          Gas turbine engines are ready for series, we need a new gearbox for a purely turbine power plant. It was supposed to intensify work on it from the beginning of this year, but no one can say exactly how it will be.
  30. 0
    April 30 2023 15: 03
    Everything has already been developed on a caterpillar base.
    Interested persons may contact:
    @remhydro
    Prigozhin is stupid, the lampoons are sabotaging.
  31. -1
    April 30 2023 16: 35
    Only the army that fights is strong, you can become a good surgeon only by constantly operating. Since 1945, we have fought everywhere. Russia will have to learn on the go. First time, right?
  32. Owl
    0
    April 30 2023 16: 41
    Mandatory - light anti-fragmentation booking of the driver's seat, then 2 options are possible: a caterpillar platform or a platform on three (four) axes, with low-pressure cylinders.
  33. 0
    April 30 2023 17: 03
    I think that transport or a walking robot should be automated and without a driver. The driver is at risk and takes up space and weight, a small processor can replace it.
    In other words, without a driver, there are only advantages, in the simplest version it could be a trolley with remote control by wire and with a manipulator for loading and unloading cargo or the wounded, depending on the circumstances.
  34. 0
    April 30 2023 19: 12
    Confiscate mobilize the remaining LuAZs in the hands of the people. Cut off the top with a grinder, and here's the TPK. Of course it won’t swim, it’s necessary to digest the body for it, but it will ride.
    And also in the sense of mono-drive motorized strollers - if the weight distribution is correct and the bottom is flat, then they will go no worse than all-wheel drive ones. In the sands of Africa, the German Kübelwagen (a military version of the Volkswagen beetle) was more passable than the American Jeep (also known as Willys in the USSR), which was recognized by both the Germans and the Americans. Those who once rode "Constipation" along country roads should remember.
    1. +1
      April 30 2023 19: 31
      mobilize the remaining LuAZs in the hands of the people. Cut off the top with a grinder, and here's the TPK.


      As if yes, but now there are no spare parts for them, and it’s too big. Although it would be possible to try, as well as buy the 967s from private traders
    2. +1
      April 30 2023 19: 46
      Confiscate and mobilize the remaining LuAZs in the hands of the people.

      This is a screenshot from the Rosrezerv website. You can come and see for yourself. There is no need to confiscate anything.

      Anyone can buy from Rosrezerv and transfer to the army.
      1. +5
        April 30 2023 22: 27
        Hmm .. There is no option that this ROSreserve will transfer equipment to the Russian army?
        1. 0
          April 30 2023 22: 48
          Hmm .. There is no option that this ROSreserve will transfer equipment to the Russian army?

          The question is good. Only to whom?
      2. 0
        1 May 2023 12: 42
        This is not Rosrezerv, this is a rather murky office with a similar name
  35. +3
    1 May 2023 00: 12
    Ural motorcycles are mass-produced in Russia

    Shta???
    The author, the Irbit plant is dead.
    "The CEO of Ural Motorcycles, Ilya Khait, announced that he was closing the production of unique heavy motorcycles of the Ural brand in Irbit (Sverdlovsk region) and moving production to Kazakhstan. He justified his decision with the problems that arose due to the economic sanctions. A plant that was established 80 years ago may cease to exist."
    https://xn--80aegj1b5e.xn--p1ai/publication/irbitskiy-motocikletnyy-zavod-mozhet-byt-zakryt-iz-za-vyvoda-proizvodstva-v-kazahstan
    1. 0
      1 May 2023 12: 43
      It's not done yet, just in progress
  36. Aee
    +5
    1 May 2023 00: 51
    Quote: DKuznecov
    Ural motorcycles are mass-produced in Russia

    Shta???
    The author, the Irbit plant is dead.
    "The CEO of Ural Motorcycles, Ilya Khait, announced that he was closing the production of unique heavy motorcycles of the Ural brand in Irbit (Sverdlovsk region) and moving production to Kazakhstan. He justified his decision with the problems that arose due to the economic sanctions. A plant that was established 80 years ago may cease to exist."


    Motiki Ural has long been a designer from foreign spare parts, so nothing surprising.
    telescopic front fork Marzocchi (Italy);
    hydraulic shock absorbers Sachs (Germany);
    disc brakes Brembo (Italy);
    Keihin carburetors (Japan);
    gas crane TAIYO GIKEN (Japan);
    electronic ignition Ducati Energia (Italy);
    Denso generator (Japan);
    YUASA battery;
    candles and high-voltage wires NGK-Ducati (Italy);
    gears (oil pump, timing, gearbox) and shafts of the Herzog gearbox (Germany);
    bearings of gearbox, engine, steering column and SKF wheels (Sweden);
    cuffs NAK (Taiwan);
    wires for motorcycles with a stroller ELECTREX (USA);
    fuel hoses SEMPERIT (Austria);
    horn LEB (Italy)
  37. 0
    1 May 2023 01: 18

    the pneumatic tires will be junk for the last mile after a few rides, just solid rubber and or psaltery.
    A plus is the armored hull and the diesel engine will be just right here.
  38. +1
    1 May 2023 01: 19
    There are still a lot of Ural military motorcycles of various modifications in storage.
    And with generators and with a kitchen and with a walkie-talkie and with a stretcher for the wounded. Now they don’t let them out, because the MO has completely abandoned motorcycles. There is a whole exposition in the Zadorozhny Museum.
  39. +3
    1 May 2023 02: 19
    I’ll insert my 5 cents.
    Firstly, on the original video of the first part of the battle for the "Return of the T-shaped" at 3:43, a projectile fired from an ATGM flies past the tank a few meters away.

    Secondly, over the past week I have seen a dozen different videos of how an FPV drone flies into a loaf. And this is the main problem. Exchanging vulnerable equipment and people for a VOG with a propeller.
    That is, the problem is not in the absence of transport in fact, but in its life time on the front end in the current conditions.
    1. 0
      1 May 2023 12: 44
      One or a shell or something else for the whole battle
  40. +3
    1 May 2023 02: 22
    Very cool article, write more often!
    Regarding the device: can a circuit with an electric motor and independent motor-wheels work?
    1. +1
      1 May 2023 19: 46
      Such stretchers are now being tested, the same Filatov (Telegram channel reporter Filatov).
      But if this is the norm for a stretcher, then it is not a fact for a conveyor.
  41. 0
    1 May 2023 05: 46
    How many factories has Putin built in Russia?

    Hmm... This is essentially just the current management stratum of Russia, or as you can call it now - "the elite of society." At the theoretical or philosophical level, it is still unknown how to fill the wallets of ordinary engineers from financial budgetary rivers, who create weapons of victory at the grassroots level ... After the bankruptcy of the Lvov plant, the Tver excavator, even for the needs of military warehouses, did not learn how to produce a simple forklift with GDP ... And you dream about what you couldn’t fix even under the USSR ... (((
  42. +1
    1 May 2023 09: 47
    There is something ready, though on the harp... https://pelec.ru/
  43. 0
    1 May 2023 12: 49
    I read an article by a military medic who is really at war, and so, all the wounded are evacuated on a stretcher to the point of primary care. Then on any transport that is available. Before him, also on a stretcher, no TPK on the front line will survive. Attempts to make another ersatz are useless they won’t bring good, a waste of time and money. The same onboard "tadpole" will be more useful, and the issue can be restored quickly.
    1. +2
      1 May 2023 15: 18
      Strange logic. So 4 soldiers carrying one wounded man on a stretcher on the front end survive, but one TPK with a driver and a wounded man does not? For me, 5 soldiers will be killed faster with a mortar. They are slower and take up more space.
      1. -1
        1 May 2023 16: 55
        This is the reality, if the wounded man can get out himself, he goes out, if not, they take him out. There is nothing to look at the Americans, they did not fight in such conditions. A military doctor writes that the wounded sometimes lie for hours, the possibility of evacuation is not always possible, what kind of TPK are we talking about in this case? Yes, and driving near the front line is extremely difficult, and the enemy does not sleep and the terrain may be of little use, you can’t accelerate on the conveyor.
        1. -1
          4 May 2023 02: 28
          We have been told for half a century that "Americans are stupid and you shouldn't look at them." Do not look that half of the world is being played on a well-known organ and commanding the entire former Soviet Union with satellites ... Of course, you should not look at them. After all, we have "our own way" of theft and fraud.
    2. 0
      1 May 2023 19: 45
      Yeah, that's why now volunteers are pushing stretchers with an electric motor to the front, and developing TPK on a voluntary basis.
      Moreover, at the head of the last movement are people who, according to the original plan of the NWO, were to be the first to enter Kyiv.

      The same onboard "tadpole" will be more useful, and the issue can be restored quickly.


      Mass-produced, and always has been.
      1. 0
        1 May 2023 20: 46
        For the first time I hear about a stretcher with an electric motor, perhaps there are such in hospitals, but there are floors and not soil. As I understand it, wheels are attached to the electric motor, I would like to look at them after driving over fragments and other sharp metal. Yes, and in narrow trenches you can’t turn around with them. Comrades provide first aid to the wounded, and if there is an orderly, then he, to the point of collection of the wounded, is delivered on a stretcher, and if they are not there, then on improvised means. Further evacuation on cars, sledges, carts, everything that is there is used. All evacuation actions have been scheduled for a long time, BMMs are used, and if they are not there, then this is the misfortune of our army.
        1. +1
          8 May 2023 11: 41
          For a medical company of SMEs (teams) in the early to mid-2000s-2010s. proposed a regular number of BMM 12 units, i.e. 3 vehicles per battalion. BUT!!! The leadership of the Ministry of Defense, the General Staff and the GABTU (Mr. Maev) did not consider it necessary to equip medical units with this equipment, although the Head of the Main Military Medical University, Mr. - Colonel I.M. Chizh repeatedly appealed to the higher leadership of the Moscow Region with reasonable proposals about the need for this equipment to be available in the troops. But remember who was the Minister of Defense at that time: Ivanov and Taburetkin, and by definition, ordinary soldiers and officers did not care about their lives, there were only problems from them (military personnel). Here is your answer. Yes, BMMs based on the BTR-80 and BMP-1 are not a super-duper model of medical equipment, but they could at least provide something in the provision of medical care and evacuation of the wounded. And for now, nothing...
      2. -1
        1 May 2023 20: 48
        Yes, I won’t say anything for the “tadpoles”, I just haven’t seen them for the last twenty years, I thought that they stopped releasing them.
  44. 0
    1 May 2023 22: 19
    Thanks for the article sucked from the video, really neighing. From the video, completely different problems are visible, the solutions of which have not been and are not. And when watching this video, I have only one question: when will this "Ukrainian nickname of the Russian president" together with the temple builder-athlete be put against the wall for such shots a year after the start of this bloody circus
  45. 0
    3 May 2023 07: 39
    And you can also remove all the armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles from the warehouses and put them on the front line. And the paratroopers also have good carts.
  46. 0
    3 May 2023 09: 17
    Another delusional nonsense ..... Therefore, the TPK was removed at the time, that he could not really help in any way more than the UAZ "loaf". The wildest game driver lying down drives a car "like, under a hail of bullets")))) Where there will be heavy and even crossfire, even sideways, even lying down, even a crab ... the result is the same. Why is TPK more inconspicuous than a loaf? A meter shorter and narrower? Do not tell my slippers that this garbage, that the "loaf" of the observation and reconnaissance copter will detect at the same time. In terms of cross-country ability, they are similar, but in terms of the possibility of evacuation, the loaf takes much more than one person. In a loaf, lying down, 4 people can be transported.
    Now about ammunition ...... on the offensive, ammunition is always consumed less than on defense, the density of fire, the width along the front, etc. is greater)))) The fact that the tank shoots positions at close range does not mean a lack of RPG 7 or RPG 26, but that he was not detected on the approach, did not transmit target designation and did not request fire support. Moreover, RPG 7 for a tank is not such a formidable enemy, you need to hit it, and not with one grenade. Even if those shooters in the trenches had three RPGs, under heavy fire it’s far from a fact that they could not only shoot aimingly, but even prepare for shooting ....
    1. +1
      3 May 2023 20: 09
      You can use caterpillar towing vehicles, they are also called "motorized dogs", this is one caterpillar on top of the engine from a walk-behind tractor, a drag sled is attached to the back in which the driver and passenger sit, the vehicle is very passable, through snowdrifts in winter, through swamps in summer, while very light, weight within 100kg, pulling force from 125 to 300kg.
  47. 0
    4 May 2023 05: 06
    The army needs front line transporters - and urgently
    The multifunctional robotic platform "Marker" can be used as a leading edge conveyor. What is not an analogue of the American MUTT and the German Mission master?


    1. +1
      4 May 2023 12: 30
      Where is she in the series? In fact, Filatov is the only one suffering with an electric ambulance, everything else is left somewhere in Carbon Monoxide.
  48. -3
    5 May 2023 09: 11
    do you criticize? are you outraged? well, that's easy! take it and offer something worthwhile. and with the language of revenge anyone is able
  49. 0
    5 May 2023 14: 34
    In the USSR, the GTMU was used to evacuate the wounded
  50. 0
    6 May 2023 18: 19
    https://tinger.ru/
    Both tracked and wheeled, whatever you want)))
  51. -2
    31 May 2023 15: 05
    If you really imagine how much everything is needed everywhere, is it worth starting? And there is only one way out - the creation of funds to which the population will transfer (that’s what I’m sending). It will take a very long time at the state level.
  52. 0
    31 May 2023 15: 29
    Pay attention to motorized towing vehicles. Or motorized dogs
  53. 0
    5 June 2023 14: 35
    The minimum height of the vehicle is very important if we are talking about the front edge. A “motorized dog” with a drag would help here.
  54. 0
    11 July 2023 10: 20
    Until they produce something specialized, you can already take a walk-behind tractor with a trolley and the ersatz TPK is ready. Rubber for wheels that are wider and more toothy, or even with tracks. A lot of changes to make it more comfortable to drive while lying down.
  55. 0
    26 August 2023 15: 36
    I also think about this topic. I found an interesting example of a front edge conveyor on the Internet. I'm sharing with you.

    GT-M (object 564) Tracked transporter-tractor.:
    https://parm.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=515&stat-id=5&test-tag=229248577078785&format-type=97&actual-format=78&banner-test-tags=eyI3MjA1NzYwMzk1NDYyNjA0MiI6IjU3MzYwIn0%3D

    Does anyone know how to add a picture?
  56. 0
    18 September 2023 09: 32
    While all this is being put into production, there is a replacement available. Motoblock Neva with trailer. Two speeds forward, one speed reverse. 7-9 hp lightweight and designed for movement across fields.
  57. 0
    24 January 2024 11: 18
    The author probably doesn’t know what motorized dogs are. This is the simplest and cheapest off-road vehicle at the moment. Yes, there are drawbacks, it needs to be modified for LBS, but the price, simplicity and stealth make it completely justified for use.
    You can also assemble electric carts from spare parts from Aliexpress, but this is not patriotic.
  58. 0
    April 29 2024 06: 04
    this part is the easiest, it gets harder when moving them to offensive, although it's inevitable: old weapons for both these issues - tripling the firepower with a pg2, a ptrs or/and a flamethrower, plus light artillery/heavy machine gun a bit behind for covering few trenches and a brdm1 in the original configuration for bringing supplies, towing, covering or evacuating. plus, tracks, old soil-soil missiles and heavier artillery for offensive and strategic weapons. and improvised sensors in many trenches and on balloons; i only say things that nato does already.